More specifically, we started an MST of a Harry Potter/Hetalia crossover badfic. Behold!
And for the morbidly curious, the fic sans our characters snarking over it is right here.
Questions? Comments? Suggestions for which Hetalia character should help us riff this next? (I'll run all your suggestions by Voyd to see what he knows about the characters.)
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We did a thing! by
on 2017-05-21 23:26:00 UTC
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Got through the first chapter. by
on 2017-05-24 20:35:00 UTC
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Dahlia is so cute. I had a little bit of trouble figuring out who Miki is.
You do a pretty decent job of describing the two canons for those who don't know.
It's entertaining, especially when they start singing the Lego song.
Sorry, not a good review.
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Yes, I'm aware. by
on 2017-05-25 02:16:00 UTC
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This is a fictionalized version of Miguel, so I'm not committing libel. Sort of like how Ami's a self-insert of me, but she's not literally me.
Also, Miki used to be a mini-Chimera Anima based on Mint's dog, but a particularly bad sentence in his homefic ended up having him talk. I figured a talking dog could have a lot of potential for comedy and/or cuteness. :) -
Hmmm, the Despatch. by
on 2017-05-25 03:17:00 UTC
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I've been treating the Despatch as a very meta area.
Sometimes the self-inserts are just Sues, and we don't hear about whether or not any of them are actually a representation of a real person.
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Actual comments. by
on 2017-05-24 07:37:00 UTC
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So this is basically just a series of reactions I had while reading:
I like the interruption of the rap!
...PRUSSIA. You should bring in Prussia to spork. I didn't get that far in the show, but I saw him used for sporking once, and it was amazing.
...oh, good, Prussia is actually in the fic. That would make his potential sporking presence better and, uh, sense-having. Wait, which of the kids is he essentially turning into? He wouldn't make sense with any of them, except maybe a teenaged Marauder or the Weasley twins, but--oh dear. This should be... interesting.
...Malfoy. Prussia is Malfoy. What.
Go Ron go! In fact, please keep talking. For the entire fic. That would be lovely.
...Hungary, dear... Hermione does not like flying.
Yeah, I give up. There's no sense in this fic except for Ron and, sometimes, Ginny. I like "you uncultured ferret" from Ami in the sporking, though.
Ooh, you've brought England in! From the OFU, no less!
Well, that was fun. And 'Monstery Science Theater' was well-placed.
Overall, pretty fun. I'd love to see...well, just about any of the countries come in to spork. Maybe people from HP or unrelated (but similarly themed?) canons, too, if that's an option. Also, might as well third that suggestion of that one country with the polar bear...
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Re: We did a thing! by
on 2017-05-22 03:10:00 UTC
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Without a doubt, that one character whose name I always forget. They live right above America... Anyone know who I'm thinking of? I truly have forgotten.
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Yeah, I can't remember them either? by
on 2017-05-22 22:54:00 UTC
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I've seen them a few times (looks like a dude but I can't be sure without chancing that I'm wrong), but I can't remember their name! They had a swirly-looking curl, glasses, a fuzzy coat, and a pet polar bear.
Maybe we should go into Hetalia canon and ask the other countries who we're looking for?
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Dunno what that country is, but I think I might live there. by
on 2017-05-24 06:50:00 UTC
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Maybe. I've forgotten. But the polar bears are really cute, ne?
:)
More seriously, I'm about to check out the MST itself. I'll try to leave a comment for the authors soon!
~Zing
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This is London calling. by
on 2017-05-22 17:35:00 UTC
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AKA just wanting confirmation on the what/where/when's of the London Gathering 2017.
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Last time things settled on July 22nd, 2017 by
on 2017-05-23 06:11:00 UTC
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With location being the Natural History Museum and then... just stroll around the area the entire group, eat food, have a laugh, etc.
Can I get that info confirmed?
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I'm upset. by
on 2017-05-22 17:35:00 UTC
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I apologize if this is hard to understand. My thoughts are normally scattered, but I can't calm down. I'm shaking, and shouldn't have drove. I'm feeling suicidal.
I'm sorry to have lied to you. Keep in mind that I have been here since February of 2016.
zdimensia is a myth. That the PPC never did anything to provoke her is a lie.
Unblock my IP so that I can talk to you from home. I must be allowed to speak. -
Paging Nameless Admin. by
on 2017-05-30 20:36:00 UTC
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I think that this thread is done. If it isn't too much trouble, you can block me.
I am to work on myself.
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The Board's will is done. by
on 2017-05-31 08:59:00 UTC
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The following IP addresses have been blocked:
72.215.148.50 - source of 304 posts between February 2016 and May 2017.
72.218.246.58 - source of 100 posts between the 22nd and 30th May 2017.
Between them they cover 404 of the 473 posts attributed to 'Bramandin' or 'Bram' on the Board. Most of the others seem to be attributable to a string of IP addresses used only in early February 2016, when Bramandin joined; based on the addresses, it seems likely she was travelling when she first posted as Bramandin.
The two blocked IP addresses will remain blocked until there is a community consensus to unblock them. -
That will require input from the Board. by
on 2017-05-30 21:08:00 UTC
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As stated, blocking non-banned users is not currently in the Nameless Admin's authority.
At the moment there are five people (excluding yourself) supporting such an action directly. I will examine the rest of the thread to determine if there are sufficient others to suggest a consensus.
If any other users feel that this is an acceptable use of Nameless Admin powers, they are requested to comment here. -
The count stands at six. by
on 2017-05-30 21:29:00 UTC
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Excluding Bramandin, the following people have implicitly agreed to the Nameless Admin being permitted to block Bramandin: Tomash, doctorlit, Hieronymus Graubart, Novastorme, Edhelistar, Huinesoron.
If three more approvals are given (taking the total to nine) with no disagreements, the Nameless Admin will block Bramandin's current IP address, and the one she used prior to this unblocking.
This is not a request for approval of the proposal itself; just of the Nameless Admin being permitted to block Bramandin without a community ban. -
Agreed. (nm) by
on 2017-05-31 04:42:00 UTC
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Nine. by
on 2017-05-31 01:21:00 UTC
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Haven't got involved, but I've been following along and completely agree with what Nesh stated below.
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I'm in support of this. by
on 2017-05-30 23:48:00 UTC
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"Please block my IP(s) to help me maintain my resolve to stay away" (as I interpret this) seems like a reasonable request to me.
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Make it seven by
on 2017-05-30 22:32:00 UTC
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I don't see a problem blocking someone's IP at their own request, odd though that request may be.
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Proposed constitutional amendment. by
on 2017-05-28 22:11:00 UTC
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If you have mental problems, you should voluntarily (or submit to a request to) leave until the issues are resolved. It is the {crazy person's} responsibility to make sure that their disability doesn't cause discomfort in the community.
Obviously that needs to be re-written. I apologize for using insensitive language.
This is not meant to undermine the article in the constitution about not discriminating.
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You need to stop this. by
on 2017-05-29 06:07:00 UTC
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Between this, your post to laggycat, and some of your comments on the Concilliary, you have developed a bad habit of going 'I have been told to do a thing; I will now tell everyone they have to do the thing, and keep shoving the thing in their faces'. I don't know if that's how you meant it, but that's what you're doing.
You are an exceptional case. You have proven yourself to be nigh-impossible for anyone to reason with or get to understand something. A heck of a lot of people want you straight-up banned, but some of us are willing to let you take the leave of absence you volunteered to take instead, to let you sort yourself out. If you keep up the 'I'm so mistreated' vibes - and especially if you still show them when you return - I for one will definitely reconsider.
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Strongly considering stopping. by
on 2017-05-29 16:55:00 UTC
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I should adopt the attitude that everything that happened was my fault. It is not completely truth, but I should try to accept it anyway. Failing that, I MUST forgive the board of any perceived trespasses before moving forward.
I accept that I am exceptional. I am special as in special education. Most of the "rules" that I should operate under are givens for just about everyone else.
I will shut up about it.
I apologize for seeming to be impossible to reason with. I am listening. There is still some lingering "treating you as you've treated me" going on; I will break that habit and start fresh.
I get the feeling that there are some things that I've done as Bramandin that should be apologized for, but I can't identify them. If you want an apology, now is the time to point it out. I truly do not understand.
When I come back, it will be as TooPurple. This is not meant to confuse anyone, but it will be symbolic of me separating myself from the past. http://www.tarot-reading.net/tarot_cards/major/13.htm I should stay away until I am reborn. zdimensia and Bramandin can be treated as ghosts. -
My Proposal. by
on 2017-05-25 05:58:00 UTC
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I haven't slept well since my Monday freakout. ((Don't get me wrong, it was pre-planned, I was just not calm when I did it.))
I think that I should not communicate anymore until my sleep schedule is normal.
I think that I should be given another chance after everyone rests.
I also think that no decisions should be made until after I return.
I might close my Bramandintook account for the while. I cannot guarantee I'll check my zdimensia account.
July can have my phone number
Neshome can have my phone number
Huisoren can have my phone number
Nameless admin can have my phone number
Ozzie can have my phone number
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Stop it. Right now. by
on 2017-05-25 22:43:00 UTC
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I understand that you are trying to improve, I really do. I understand as well that you wish to take a break from the community, get help, and try to improve your mental condition. I feel the same way to some degree.
I also understand, however, that you have tried to talk to me for a while now with beta requests and chat messages and replies to OTHER PEOPLE about your issues. It seems like you're making the same mistake I used to, in that you are trying to seek attention from us so, in your view, we can act as a sounding board for your problems. Ordinarily, I would indeed be willing to try to help, since I have after all been in your shoes before. But that very fact is also why I believe you are making a very big mistake here.
I worried about the potential backlash against me to say this to you publicly until now, but I will say it anyway: I'm not in the mood to deal with you. Never have been, never will be. Your first Permission attempt, even without my disastrous involvement in it, resulted in me beginning to lose trust in you, and even after gaining Permission - as a sockpuppet no less - you have ignored concrit, refused to apologize for being disrespectful, and now outright harrassed another Boarder to get them to listen to you. All of this has made me very uncomfortable with the prospect of interacting with you, which is not something I want to say to another Boarder. I also don't have the time to deal with you because I have my own IRL things to worry about, and the last thing I need is to let my anger get the better of me and fuel the fire once again - if it already is as I type this, I apologize in advance to both you and the Board at large. That is not an excuse for any of your own behavior, though, and the new revelations related to you over the past few weeks have further tarnished my faith in you, and this is coming from someone who WANTS to see you improve. As it stands, though, we are not the audience for that.
If you planned to send me your phone number, don't. Period. If you still wish to send me an e-mail, please wait until I get my own Duckletts in a row and feel more ready to handle this predicament, which I believe is inevitable given that I beta read for you before. For now, though, if you want to take the time off to regroup, then just GO. And in the event that you do, I hope you find something more constructive to take up your time. -
I will not stop yet, sorry. by
on 2017-05-26 23:09:00 UTC
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I feel that I should defend myself. I feel like I should dispel the zdimensia bogyman. I have accomplished that the mistakes have been acknowledged. I feel that this is not closed yet.
I acknowledge that my presence made your introduction to the PPC rocky. I acknowledge that I remind you of past mistakes.
I do not want the PPC as a sounding board for anything other than writing problems. Though it was because of them that I discovered that there might still be something wrong with me.
I apologize for all the beta problems. I especially apologize to Skarmory for jumping-the-gun, and I have learned from that at least.
You are under no obligation to help me, even after the Duckletts are in a row. I'll look for a support group or something. I mean that with no malice, and you are welcome to choose to contact me.
For the fear of potential backlash: You are saying it clearly and should not be chastised.
I am still very confused at what went wrong in my initial permission attempt.
Maybe I didn't ask people to make themselves clearer in the proper way. Maybe there was a preconception that I should be angry when I knew that I wasn't going to make it on my first attempt.
I am also confused about a lot of what you are accusing me of. I might have missed responding to concrit. Or did I do it wrong? In my mind, it's "I agree with you. I'll work more on that thing that you pointed out." There has been very little "I'll leave it as-is because of reasons" on the board.
I do remember asking why they took a void and assumed malice, in reference to one of my characters. I still don't understand.
I think that it was your subconscious making you distrust me. Either you recognized me, or you recognized yourself.
I am still unaware of when I was disrespectful and what I should apologize for.
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Re: I will not stop yet, sorry. by
on 2017-05-27 00:58:00 UTC
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This is what I and probably several others are worried about. You aren't dispelling a bogeyman. You're causing another incident and proving the people worried about your behavior right. Could things have been handled better? Probably. But making the same mistakes again and again after they have been patiently and impatiently explained to you is not the fault of the community. That every other thread involving you in recent weeks has gotten bad enojugh that punishments had to be considered is not the fault of the community.
You feel you should defend yourself. But you've been on the attack for most of this thread. You seem to want the community to validate Zdimensia's actions and say that what happened before was wrong. This is simply not the case.
Your question on why your first permission request was denied is answered in that thread, in the post denying it. HS has posted it further down the chat, but the summary was that your request was incomplete and you weren't prepared. When it was denied, you made changes in the same thread instead of taking time to revise and reconsider.
You are showing disrespect by saying that the reason why someone, in this case Skarmory, is distrusting you is because of issues in their past, (Apologies to Skarmory if this comes out as rude) rather than because of your behavior. To make this matter clear, I have issues trusting you because of how you have behaved. -
I started typing this last night... by
on 2017-05-29 21:28:00 UTC
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In the recent weeks, I had determined to tell the truth, but was waiting for something beyond my control to happen first. I recall only one incident, which was handled in a very proper manner.
There was also another issue in the outside world, which may or may not be relevant here. (Note to self, AdDCr.)
In the non-recent weeks, I have made mistakes, but I've given my full effort into not making them again.
When I say for something to happen first, I'm not talking about the consilary thread. I would have loved to fully participate as someone once wronged.
I should have stayed away when stressed. I intend to make it a personal rule that I am not allowed to post unless I go through a list of stressful things and determining that I am not being stressed.
The best defense is a good offense... Is there an article I should read to learn how to defend myself less aggressively?
I didn't know that I wasn't supposed to revise my permission thread. IIRC, my first real permission thread as zd wasn't expecting permission, but wanting acknowledgement that I was on the right track.
I believe that the issues of whether to trust or distrust someone comes from past experience. I could elaborate, but it would be viewed as a non-sequitur. (I have no idea what I was talking about here.)
In short, something about me made Skarmory distrust me. In Skarmory's case, it was perfectly valid because they had a vivid memory of a bad memory of me, and I came back with traits that they still recognized. Or perhaps he didn't, and I'm imagining things.
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A quick addendum by
on 2017-05-25 22:49:00 UTC
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I just read your message explaining why you intended to send out your number in the first place. That seems somewhat more acceptable than, well, outright stalking. Emphasis on "somewhat", though - we literally just dealt with private information being mishandled two months ago, and I certainly don't need a repeat of that. If I did misunderstand things I apologize for going overboard, AGAIN. Regardless, I can't really help you, and I don't feel like doing so save for the obvious advice to see someone about your issues, because we aren't the right people to help you with them.
Please leave me out of this drama from now on. I can't trust you anymore, not after this entire thing. -
I apologize for giving out my phone number. by
on 2017-05-25 22:34:00 UTC
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I was intending to close Chrome for a few days, which would have made it hard to contact me. I did not want to appear to be ignoring you.
My choices of the names does not mean anything. I didn't want my number to be withheld simply because one person stepped out.
I was not implying that I wanted someone to call me. My intent was only that someone could tell me to check my email if I needed to respond. -
I am not comfortable by
on 2017-05-25 11:11:00 UTC
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with being on a list of people to have Bramandin's phone number. I do not believe that Bramandin has good intentions in their interactions with the PPC. The complaints Bramandin puts forth here are near identical to the ones from years ago. There is no demonstration of acceptance of personal wrongdoing on their part.
I feel like every interaction I have witnessed since returning is manipulative with the purpose of attaining recognized victimhood. This actually seems to be a near obsession, that the PPC must be forced to admit that they victimized ZDimensionsa years ago and then to proceed in giving them the attention they feel they deserve. All the attempts to make themselves seem like the reasonable one(the posts below for everyone else to wait until the dust settles), and the more mature one (see the posts they are still posting on the Grand Concilliary the last couple of days) are, in my opinion, just bait to get everyone to let them by with their behavior. Any apology they give is just a ploy to get them clear for a little while to attain what they actually want (see the beta request they have thrown into this thread. I have observed that several threads they have begun with high drama and then roped people into feeling sorry enough for them to attempt to beta for them after they had just behaved badly toward their betas).
I do not buy the argument that it is a misunderstanding at this point. It has been explained, many, many times, and Bramandin has explicitly stated in her email thread that she intentionally manipulates the folks here. This is what people who are emotionally abusive do. They turn everything around until they are the victim. They demand apologies from others for their behavior. I am too tired right now to go through all the posts again to link it directly, but I have the distinct impression that some of their posts fit well with the concept of 'negging'.
Undoubtedly the next response from her will be a nearly incoherent, non-sequitur filled rant that indicates that I am a horrible bully. I am saying undoubtedly, because that is the exact pattern of behavior that has been followed since 2014.
I believe that my questioning of their motives did not come through strongly enough in my earlier post. Or maybe it was my stated desire to not cast a vote due to my relative newness and I had not read the email thread yet, so they have now cast me as being on 'their' side. For explicit communication here. I am not. At this point if it comes to a vote, if my vote counts for anything, I will vote for a ban. I do not believe Bramandin is good for this community or that their intentions are in anyway good.
I feel very strongly about what I am about to say here. Being autistic is no excuse for their continued behavior as being autistic does not in any way mean 'incapable of learning'. A mistake may be made in entire innocence one time, but once it has been explained, it is arguably not made in innocence the second time, and definitely is not made in innocence after the fiftieth time it has been explained. It also does not mean, 'callous disregard for others as emotional beings'. It might mean that the person gets through an entire conversation and only hours later realizes that the other person was upset due to poor reading of the situation, but does not mean that when they realize the other person was upset that they then feel nothing for the other person.
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Thoughts from Tomash: I don't like the way this is going by
on 2017-05-26 03:09:00 UTC
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A lot of people are seeing Bram as someone who's manipulating the community (see, for example, in the post I'm replying to, Miah's description of Bram's recent posts as trying to bait people into letting her get away with her behavior). I, in what might be a fit of unfounded optimism, don't see it.
I see that Bramadin has a very poor understanding of the typical social protocols we, as a community, expect people to generally follow. This lack of understanding is severe enough that I don't think Bram can have many healthy interactions with the community at this time. Bram, I think it would be best for you to take some time off from here, go get the help with social interaction that we aren't equipped to provide, and then return here if you still want to. Heck, it might even be useful to talk to someone more equipped to help you about all this.
I was going to call for Bram to retract (or at least stop pressing) her claims that we were intentionally being abusive during the Permission process, but she's
Back to the main point, I don't think that Bram's conduct is banworthy (even though it isn't good). Banning someone is, from what I can tell, for when their behavior significantly harms the continued proper functioning of the community. For example, unapologetic bigotry is banworthy because it makes large swaths of people (either who are here or who might be here) feel sufficiently unwelcome that it freezes them out of the community.
From this perspective, the question is whether Bramadin's profound lack of understanding of the norms of neurotypical social interaction, which is an effect of her mental illness and which (from what I can see) she is attempting to remedy, has enough of a negative impact on other people's use of the community to justify hurling her out the door forever. (The word "use" in the previous sentence is meant to draw an analogy to the "use" of a real-life bulletin board or park). I don't think it is, and so I'm still voting against a ban. (To be clear, I think the recent harassment situation has been resolved, partly by hanging that temporary ban over Bram's head, so I don't think there's still something banworthy there.)
I also don't like how this ban vote would generalize. For example, I think charges like this could be leveled against Scapegrace, and I don't think she's earned a ban either.
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...or maybe I'll fix the HTML first by
on 2017-05-26 03:11:00 UTC
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Subject: I don't like where this is going
A lot of people are seeing Bram as someone who's manipulating the community (see, for example, in the post I'm replying to, Miah's description of Bram's recent posts as trying to bait people into letting her get away with her behavior). I, in what might be a fit of unfounded optimism, don't see it.
I see that Bramadin has a very poor understanding of the typical social protocols we, as a community, expect people to generally follow. This lack of understanding is severe enough that I don't think Bram can have many healthy interactions with the community at this time. Bram, I think it would be best for you to take some time off from here, go get the help with social interaction that we aren't equipped to provide, and then return here if you still want to. Heck, it might even be useful to talk to someone more equipped to help you about all this.
I was going to call for Bram to retract (or at least stop pressing) her claims that we were intentionally being abusive during the Permission process, but she's already done that. (Incidentally, I think the second post I linked there is evidence for very confused!Bram).
I think an apology, or at least an admission of wrongdoing, is is order for the manipulation of the Permission process. However, I'm retracting my call for a Permission revocation, since, having thought it over, the broader category of "fraud upon the Permission Givers" (for example, putting together a Permission Request intending to write a pair of very Suvian/grimdark/... agents instead of the more reasonable characters described in the request) I was thinking of is very slippery and either leads to revocations for "bad writing" or is impossible to prosecute unless someone admits to doing it. Either way, it's bad (or, at best, useless) precedent, so let's not go there.
Back to the main point, I don't think that Bram's conduct is banworthy (even though it isn't good). Banning someone is, from what I can tell, for when their behavior significantly harms the continued proper functioning of the community. For example, unapologetic bigotry is banworthy because it makes large swaths of people (either who are here or who might be here) feel sufficiently unwelcome that it freezes them out of the community.
From this perspective, the question is whether Bramadin's profound lack of understanding of the norms of neurotypical social interaction, which is an effect of her mental illness and which (from what I can see) she is attempting to remedy, has enough of a negative impact on other people's use of the community to justify hurling her out the door forever. (The word "use" in the previous sentence is meant to draw an analogy to the "use" of a real-life bulletin board or park). I don't think it is, and so I'm still voting against a ban. (To be clear, I think the recent harassment situation has been resolved, partly by hanging that temporary ban over Bram's head, so I don't think there's still something banworthy there.)
I also don't like how this ban vote would generalize. For example, I think charges like this could be leveled against Scapegrace, and I don't think she's earned a ban either.
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And my thoughts... by
on 2017-05-26 03:31:00 UTC
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...are very divided. I shall present these as a dialogue with myself:
Delta: I think Tomash has a point. I don't think Bram is acting maliciously, and... this smells a bit witch-hunt-y.
Juliette: But on the other hand, I agree with Phobos, from a constitutional analysis, some pretty fundamental behavioral guidelines for the community have been solidly broken.
Delta: To pick a specific point, I think that Phobos's charge of sockpuppeting, though technically true, is both past the statute of limitations and wasn't done maliciously - zdimensia existed as an attempt to prove a point, if I'm reading Bram correctly. And... that's been a thing that's been done before, IIRC. hS has done so, I have done so, a couple Veteran Members of the Community have created sockpuppets for the specific purpose of stepping completely outside of oldbie privilege and throwing their voice into the milieu to see what happened.
Juliette: Sure... but that was done for specific purposes, and when the experiment ended (days later, rather than years!), the experiment was explained and data was discussed.
Delta: To expand back out to a more general argument, I don't think that Bram has done anything out of active malice - the heat of the moment seems to be a longer-lived concept for her, and she lacks communication skills that those of us who are closer to neurotypicality have, but... that's not being malicious. Should we really ban someone for Not Getting It?
Juliette: But that's it. She Doesn't Get It, or so it seems, and that includes not working with the many people who have offered to help. And that's not something we can fix - I deeply appreciate the PPC's utility over the years as a space where we have helped people become more mature, understand themselves, and so on, but that process is voluntary and I don't see Bram accepting that help.
Both: Bottom line, I don't think that her being here, in her current state, is good for her or for the community. It's not an at-fault situation, it's a fundamental mismatch of communication skills and technologies.
Ideally, I would like Bram to work with a mentor/advisor on communication skills. It could be one of us. It could be me! I've volunteered, she knows how to poke me on Discord. I would like her to acknowledge that she needs some guardrails, that this chunk of road is twistier for her than it is for other people. I would like to see her learn, and grow, and become an awesome member of this community.
But I don't think we're in an ideal situation. I really, really dislike swinging the banhammer in this case, it's not at all as clear-cut as ypurs were. But I believe that the current situation should not be allowed to continue. I believe we have given enough offers of help, given enough additional chances, had enough of this sort of conversation.
Ultimately, I believe that a banning may be necessary, in the interest of cutting off an interaction that is clearly hurting Bram as well as the rest of us. -
I cannot Discord. by
on 2017-05-26 23:36:00 UTC
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I left the channel because I harassed someone. I cannot privately poke you without an invite to the PPC channel. I tried, and the software rejected me.
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You were, and still are, banned. by
on 2017-05-27 00:52:00 UTC
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Why am I not surprised that you seem to struggle with this concept?
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When did this happen? by
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Was it right after I chose to leave Discord, following the harassment incident?
Or was it in the last week, when I couldn't access Discord anyway?
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on 2017-05-27 01:07:00 UTC
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I am unaware that I was banned from Discord. I asked to be removed, (I don't remember any conditions being attached to when I could come back.) and then figured out how to remove myself before any official action.
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From the Discord, I mean... (nm) by
on 2017-05-27 00:52:00 UTC
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Some thoughts of my own... by
on 2017-05-26 11:38:00 UTC
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Okay, so the main thing is that this situation with Bramandrin is actually very much reminding me of someone I used to know in the FBA (who I won't name here: if you want to find out more, you can DM me on Discord for more specific details). I actually mentioned this to Tomash on Discord a couple days back, but I'd actually describe this person as "Bramandrin, with a much better grasp of social norms and a huge anger management problem". The other main difference I can think of was that the person in question was also allowed to get into a position of authority there, and I will say, that wreaked havoc on everything: when this person finally left the FBA, they did so in an outburst of drama fueled by something that I won't talk about here (mostly because it is an incredibly long story that's not relevant to this, and partly because this person had also quit the position of authority in question twice in a row over much less anyhow).
So you might be wondering what the common thread here is. Well... for me, judging from things Bramandrin said in a previous thread related to this, these two people both suffer from untreated mental illness of some variety, and it is mental illness that, to be honest, does require professional psychiatric help. Anyone who tells Bram she doesn't need the psychiatric help is willfully deceiving either her or themselves at this point.
So my suggestion is this: regardless of whether or not Bram gets banned, my previous experiences make me feel it will be to both her and the PPC community's benefit if she seeks out psychiatric help. And Bram, if you read this, I know you may think you may not need the help, but trust me: you need the help. Your behavior is not normal, and psychiatric help can give you a better idea of how to excise your present unacceptable behaviors. This was something the former FBAer in question really should have gotten years ago, and I'm going to mention it here before we get too far down the rabbit hole of banning folks.
The issue is, I don't know if this is something we can necessarily enforce. But no matter the case, I really honestly think this is the only way forward in this case. If that doesn't work, who knows, but I know from past experience that if she doesn't get help, it could be a bigger thorn in the PPC's side than I really think you guys want.
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My thoughts. by
on 2017-05-26 21:14:00 UTC
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*picks up the mini-boarder* (My name's Narnian, so it looks like a dragon.) ((Non-sequitur, look up my name, and you might find a wiki article that explains why I chose it.))
I do intend to ask to have my IP temporarily re-blocked after this thread is finished. (If that's not too much trouble.) Not as a silencing or punishment, but as a precautionary measure until I heal. Just as you would put a cast on an arm to keep it from moving until the bone knits.
I think that banning me would be bad for the community, to set up a precedent of rejecting people with mental health issues.
((It would also symbolize that the community values protecting itself above all else, even a person's life. The way to make up for the past mistake is to give me an honest second chance.))
I do need to leave for a while. Not really a ban, no clock, just to go fix myself before I try to be part of the community. I realize that if I am disruption, (on my future actions, not because of the past,) it would then be right to remove me. -
Two posts, kind of. by
on 2017-05-28 06:05:00 UTC
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"Subject: Given this post, vote change
Bramandin has agreed to her temporary, but indefinite voluntary departure (with IP block enforcement!) from the PPC so that she might work on her mental difficulties after this thread ends. I support this.
However, I'd like to modify the proposal slightly: lifting this block should require some indication (either made privately or by posting from an unblocked IP) that Bramandin has, in fact, made progress on, to put it vaguely, Getting It.
In other words, my new proposal is for a voluntary (and therefore not as precedent-setting), indefinite (but temporary) block, which shall be lifted upon receipt of a request that indicates some (not necessarily massive, but more than tiny, unless that's all that's needed) improvement in Bramandin's ability to interact with the PPC.
(To extend Bram's analogy, I'm proposing this modification because, when you have a cast on, you can't take it off just because you feel like your bone isn't broken anymore.)
I again, for the record, agree with Bramandin's concern that permanently banning her sets a bad precedent regarding bans for mental health issues. My proposal above is just at the line of what I'm OK with in terms of what we decide, mostly because it's basically voluntary and there's some externally-observable measure of progress we can use to lift the block once it's no longer needed.
Bram, I wish you the best of luck in your future and hope to see you have more productive interactions with the community eventually."
Then from me, doctorlit:
Bramandin, I am very proud of you for deciding to leave temporarily. I think it's a very good choice, and I hope it does a lot of good for your health! (Also, that's a very clever screen name you picked! I'm disappointed with myself that I never thought to search for it to see what it meant.)
I want to throw in my support for Tomash's proposal. I think it's fair to both Bramandin and the rest of the community, and just generally reasonable all around.
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on 2017-05-28 15:37:00 UTC
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1/ Tomash, I'm sure I've said this before, but: on the Board, IP blocking is only used when they won't leave by themselves. It isn't a higher level of ban, despite a fair number of people thinking it is. It's just technical enforcement, and applies to every ban.
2/ With that in mind, the Nameless Admin will block Bramandin's IP address at her request, if there is broad consensus on the Board that this is an acceptable use of Nameless Admin access. I refuse to extend the remit of the Nameless Admin one iota off my own bat.
3/ The 'indication' proposed will not have anything to do with the Nameless Admin, who doesn't have that authority. It is vested in the Board/the community as a whole. And more personally, I don't want it to be made to or through me.
I'd also like to throw in an additional proposal, not dependent on this one, that Bramandin voluntarily go through the Permission process again (after said 'block', if such occurs). I think it would be good for her as a writer, and would allay the issues people have with the way she handled it last time. (If accepted, this would mean she couldn't write or publish anything until after doing so, but wouldn't affect her previous writings.)
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on 2017-05-29 07:19:00 UTC
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"To 1): I used "block" because it was a technically accurate word for what I was proposing and because it wasn't "ban" (which didn't feel like the right word at the time). I didn't mean to imply that a block is a super-ban or anything like that. Sorry about the miscommunication.
"To 2): It seems that having the Nameless Admin block people who /ask to be blocked/ is a reasonable and obvious extension of their powers as currently defined. I don't object (probably wouldn't have proposed it if I did).
"To 3): Yeah, the unblock would be a matter for consensus. However, I envision that the unblock will have a smaller threshold (no one commenting is approval, for example) than, say, a ban or a constitutional amendment.
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I addition. by
on 2017-05-28 18:19:00 UTC
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Since people can't decide whether or not my permission should be taken away, I renounce it.
However, I will not "not write." I will focus more on interludes, and even trying to find a permission prompt that will work with my vampire, and realize that my missions will need severe re-writing or even to be scrapped once I do have permission again. I already had five missions with my "bad" team that need to be completely rewritten or thrown away.
I am learning a lot by writing, more than I could just by reading.
I will not publish, and acknowledge that my writing is not canon to the PPC. I do ask for the loophole that I can ask for concrit outside of members of the board. -
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on 2017-05-28 19:53:00 UTC
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As said elsewhere, you can write whatever you want for the drawer. But anything written at a time when you have not been evaluated as capable of writing for the PPC (based on knowledge, writing ability, etc) should not at any time be published as part of the PPC canon, without revision after you have been evaluated etc.
I approve of your recognition that you're learning a lot by writing. That's how it should be. But what you write while learning doesn't always need to be shared.
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on 2017-05-28 20:44:00 UTC
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I think that this is most of what I needed from the start. Just that I could write whatever I wanted, but not all of it would be approved.
That I could get feedback was the most important thing. And it was something that I was not getting properly, both my fault and yours.
Permission to publish wasn't really on my list of wants at the beginning. It still isn't that important to me to be recognized as PPC canon, but the seed is there. -
I don't like involving myself into this sort of things,... by
on 2017-05-28 15:30:00 UTC
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...but this has my support. I don't know Bramadin very well and my limited interactions with her hadn't been negative (nor positive for that matter), but my experiences from the last year and the current months of this one, tell me, we should rather give her a chance to seek help.
I did not, by August I felt so bad I stopped posting here and by October I was so deep, I considered suicide. Yeah, I didn't had an exactly fun time in my time off the Board.
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This has my support too. (nm) by
on 2017-05-28 14:22:00 UTC
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Supporting this. by
on 2017-05-28 11:12:00 UTC
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For days I tried to put my conflicted thoughts into a coherent post, or set them in dialogue like Delta Juliette did, and I procrastinated and neglected the Blind Beta Workshop I wanted to contribute to, and I feel that my life is easier when I don’t have to deal with Bram, but I don’t want her banned.
I guess all I still have to say, is "Do it that way".
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I didn't mean to start a dogpile. I apologize. by
on 2017-05-26 07:33:00 UTC
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It's not on you, I was talking about this thread at large by
on 2017-05-26 07:53:00 UTC
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I really appreciate your contribution, actually.
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Out of curiosity... by
on 2017-05-26 03:41:00 UTC
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What makes you think zdimensia existed as an attempt to prove a point? I was under the impression that zdimensia was just their normal screen name so, if I missed something, I'd like to know.
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On rereading, I don't see what I thought I saw - I was reading this post and this post to suggest that they were doing something different with zdimensia, to specifically test the waters around Permission. But I'm not seeing that now, and I don't think it's there to be found.
I still don't think Article 14 is applicable here, at least in spirit - I'd always thought of that one as specifically to be thrown at sockpuppets, and that ban-dodging with a new name was just Understood To Be Bad.
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I think what you're referring to is in Neshome's email chain.
Bramandin wasn't just a sock, but a mental state as well. While not perfect, I was in the mode of "the past doesn't exist."
I didn't have to have problems with the permission prompts as Bramandin. I could have changed a character who wouldn't do something into one that would.
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What? by
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I apologize for making you feel uncomfortable.
How is admitting that I made mistakes too "no acceptance of wrongdoing?"
I have the feeling that you are trying to twist my words around and build up the myth that I have intentions of being a jerk. You don't know what's in my head, so please don't have the preconception that I am evil.
The more mature posts are genuine; they were when I was casting my hurt aside. I will cast the hurt aside permanently.
I am satisfied that you didn't mean to hurt me and that it's been acknowledged that I was hurt.
I'm sorry with the beta thread. I took something literally and thought we were done here. I'm not out to get sympathy.
I have been dishonest, and I am sorry. I didn't like it and I never want to lie again.
I am still unaware of the problems people seem to have with Bramandin. I am trying, and people say that I'm showing improvement. I am not negging, and my compliments are supposed to make people feel good.
The non-sequiters don't feel like non-sequiters to me. I am keeping an eye on them.
What have I said that makes you think that I think you're on my side?
I'm trying not to use my disability as an excuse. And I am learning. I just keep making new mistakes. I do feel for you.
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on 2017-05-25 23:07:00 UTC
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To be fair, my own contributions were a fit of irrational rage, followed by a few attempts at beta reading and trying to get her to see sense. The Board had every reason to shut down the first one, even if that was when we were under the assumption that she was separate from zdimensia. Even then, though, her reply to my e-mail apology was an attempt at blame shifting, so I can't NOT fault her, especially not after, well, this.
With that being said, I'm now changing my vote to in support of the permaban. This behavior is just not welcome here, nor do I think it should be. -
I agree (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:06:00 UTC
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Fourthing this. (nm) by
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Thirding by
on 2017-05-25 13:27:00 UTC
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This is getting close to (if not already at) ban territory, IMO.
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on 2017-05-25 13:23:00 UTC
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I don't want your phone number. by
on 2017-05-25 08:46:00 UTC
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I can't think of any reason I would want your phone number.
You have demonstrated here, in what is currently your most recent post to the Board, that you still - after three years - do not understand what you have done wrong, despite what must be tens of thousands of words by now explaining it to you. Are you proposing that sorting out your sleep schedule will somehow allow you to change that?
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I received Bramandin's number by email, and have deleted it. by
on 2017-05-25 11:30:00 UTC
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The email was sent before this post, but only noticed by me after.
I will delete any further copies of it I'm sent.
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I am incredibly confused by
on 2017-05-24 05:21:00 UTC
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Admittedly, I have been gone a long time, and have read through a lot of this as a crash course, so I am getting a rather condensed view, but I haven't seen anything but attack after attack from Bramandin against either the entire community or individuals within it. The Grand Concilliary is still open, and as was stated within it many times, it was the place to address grievances with the goal of not having threads like this one that bring up the past again and again. Bramandin posted in it several times, so they saw it. Why a new dramatic thread here a few days after that one fell off the front page?
And it is the same accusations that have been present in every single Bramandin drama thread, in which they vaguely and with very, very confusing words claim that the entire PPC is mean to them and owes them an apology. Vague accusations of bullying. Demands that everyone apologize to them. Excuses that being autistic made them do it (I, personally, find that to be a highly offensive excuse for bad behavior. Especially bad behavior that has been repeatedly and explicitly explained as bad behavior). Excuses that it was actually the other members of the community who were behaving badly. Just a lot of excuses and claims that they are the victim. Every single time. Including the last one with Iximaz just a week or two ago.
I am confused by most of the posts in this thread by Bramandin. They objectively do not make sense, so I actually have very little idea of what it is they are accusing the PPC of other than them being the victim of the PPC.
I am not putting forth a vote for anything, but also I do not understand the statements that Bramandin is behaving better when this thread looks very much like all the others.
I'm not trying to be offensive, and I apologize if anything in here is. Please point it out to me, so I can not do it in the future, but also, please someone explain this to me. -
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Bram is a (possibly formerly) banned user operating under a sockpuppet. hS's post has all the relevant details. This didn't come up in the Grand Conciliary because it was thought to be resolved.
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Sorry, but someone else, please? (nm) by
on 2017-05-24 08:11:00 UTC
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I will try to be clear. by
on 2017-05-24 06:32:00 UTC
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The abuse that I am talking about is strictly in regards to zdimensia.
As far as I can tell, everything Bramandin except for this thread has no mistreatment, only misunderstandings. I make mistakes, no matter how hard I try. I don't get connotation or social cues.
I think that the Ix thing has been handled to people's satisfaction?
I do need to work on following concrit more,
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Tomash's thoughts and proposals. by
on 2017-05-24 04:43:00 UTC
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Just to avoid ambiguity, everything other than this sentence is Tomash's words.
"Subject: My thoughts and proposals
From what I can tell, Bram is working on her behavior. We've forgiven a lot (or, in the recent case, handed out a formal last chance instead of striking Bram down with a banhammer) because of what appeared to be genuine attempts at improvement. Adding one count of ban evasion to the list of things we'll be willing to understandably forgive doesn't seem like too much of a stretch. So count this as (unless other people or a closer look at the archives convince me otherwise) a vote against the continuation of the permaban.
One of my secondary reasons for that vote is that this is partly analogous to Scapegrace's situation, which has also been marked by problems interacting with the community and (from what I can tell) genuine attempts at working on mental-illness-induced behavior issues.
That being said, I've read over the emails Neshomeh provided, and I see there that Bramadin admitted to lying and manipulating her way to a Permission grant. From what I can tell, the only reason that we don't have a rule about that is that we didn't expect anyone to do it (same as, for example, doxxing). For that, I propose Permission Revoked going forward, without any restrictions on re-applying by the usual process. Let me be clear, this revocation is NOT for "bad writing" and NOT for "being bad at taking concrit", since that's a precedent I'd not like to see set.
Permission being revoked means that Bram is still welcome to write PPC stuff privately (and get it beta'd), and to post things that don't require Permission (Permission requests, most RPs, and so on), but that she's not to represent any of that work as canonical/official stories set in the PPC universe.
Now, to Bramadin:
From what I can tell, you've accused the community of being abusive or bullies, and I'm not sure what it it we've done that seems abusive. Having a Permission process? Having a Permission process that is extremely confusing to you? Not understanding/listening to you? I just don't know. I would appreciate a concrete list of events (links and/or quotes would be nice, but I won't say they're required) where we were, from your perspective, abusive, preferably including what about that interaction was a bad thing.
Second, a lot of what you're saying isn't being understood. In a lot of the posts you've made here, I don't understand what message you are trying to communicate with your words. You've said that you're using a lot of "parallels" to try to communicate (if this is what I'm thinking of, my name for that sort of thing is "private metaphors"). They are, in most cases, not being understood, in the sense that they're not conveying much of a message at all. Also, in some of your posts, you're using pronouns (or pronoun-like things) in a way that makes it impossible for us to tell what you're referring to. For example, "the scowlers" in your post on racism.. I'm still not sure who you're talking about there.
Lastly, I'm going to echo various people who are saying that we don't have the resources to help you thrive here, and that it might be best for you to leave, at least temporarily.
Now, on a meta note, can I post here same as in the Concilliary, since this is the same sort of thread (namely, a discussion of bad behavior with possible votes)?
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Seconding some of this. by
on 2017-05-25 21:06:00 UTC
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Specifically, the request for a list of events which Bramandin perceives as other Boarders being abusive.
I disagree, however, with the notion that this is the same sort of thread as the Grand Concilliary. That thread was a special case, intended to resolve past conflicts including one involving Tomash. I believe that last part is the important part with respect to Tomash being allowed to post - the Grand Concilliary could not have been allowed to pass without him having the opportunity to defend himself.
This, though, does not involve him, and is not a thread that is likely to result in any grand, sweeping changes to the community. Therefore, I do not believe it appropriate to lift his ban from posting for this thread. -
It was more... by
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I accept that the things that happened were not intentional.
I was feeling that my concerns were not being validated.
I felt that I had to walk on eggshells to avoid upsetting anyone.
I felt scared a lot of the time.
I was feeling stuck.
I felt that I could not discuss the problem.
I feel like I have already explained what happened.
I really wasn't in the mood to be very active on the board. I never knew when I would say something weird and get made fun of. I had to force myself to post sometimes.
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A "No" and a "Yes". by
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If Bramandin really wants Kelly and September moved to "Out of Continuity", she has to find somebody else to do it for her. For obvious reasons I can’t appear to support revoking Permission for not following the Permission Prompt Guidelines to the letter.
On a meta note, Tomash should be allowed to post here.
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On Permission. by
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It does not seem from the email chain that Bramandin "lied and manipulated her way to a Permission grant" (except in that she did not disclose her previous ban). She certainly lied through and manipulated the Permission process; see here for the moment I got so fed up with her 'oh my character cannot do any of the prompts' line and fed her three random prompts which could literally happen to anyone - but Permission was granted based on July's opinion of her work and behaviour. See here.
There are ways to cheat the Permission process. One would be to plagiarise something and present it as your writing sample, or get a disgruntled ex-PPCer to do so. Another would be to just... lie and say you got Permission ages back. I would also count having the person who grants you Permission act as beta/cowriter, or anything else which means their objectivity is compromised. Bramandin, so far as Neshomeh's chat logs go, didn't do any of those things.
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On writing without Permission. by
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Since this came up in Nesh's transcript, and I remember it as a bugbear for zdimensia as well, I thought I'd explain why people (PGs) have seemed inconsistent about whether you can write missions before you get Permission.
The thing is, Permission isa torturous doom-laden triala filter. It is intended to filter out writers who cannot write PPC fiction well enough that it should be included in the canon. When you show us that you can do that - when you post your prompts and get a Permission Granted - that means that we think you can do it.
But it doesn't mean that you retroactively could always write well enough. If you've already been denied Permission once, it even means that you explicitly can't write well enough, though we hope you soon will be able to.
So let's say you take your Permission Denied, and you write half a dozen missions. Along the way, you learn about your characters, about the PPC, about writing in general. You improve. And when you apply for Permission again, you get it, easily.
And then you post the first mission you wrote. The one that came right after you were denied Permission - or, heck, the one that came between your first and second denials. The mission that was written at a time when you were not ready to write for the PPC.
Does that clear up the confusion? The answers Bramandin received were answers to both halves of the question:
1) You can write whatever you want "for the drawer" (as Neshomeh said). PPC missions, heartwarming interludes, Flower-murder, hardcore smut. Whatever. It's your keyboard, your time, your computer.
2) You cannot post anything that doesn't meet the standards of the PPC. And that explicitly includes anything written before the PPC Community - through the Permission Givers it voted to put its trust and confidence in - judged you ready, able, and knowledgeable enough to write for the PPC canon.
What zdimensia seemed to want to do was 'pre-write' her missions. She never gave the impression of seeing Permission as a test of her writing ability, but just as an arbitrary hoop to jump through.
It isn't. It's there for a reason. And that reason precludes writing for publication without it.
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It is complicated. by
on 2017-05-24 15:35:00 UTC
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This is why the prompts were unfair. This is why asking me to use a team not of my choosing was unfair.
I pointed out that all of the prompts were out-of-character for my agents. (S&L) They were also a team that didn't really interact outside of missions. (S&L) They turned out to be ill-conceived. (S&L) I didn't find the problem until writing an interlude.
I wanted to start with Kim and Hue. They are a simple team that fits the PPC expectations pretty well. They still don't interact much outside of the missions, but I was able to find a prompt for them.
They were hoops, with the extra restrictions. Prove that you can write well with very strict limits on what you are writing.
There needs to be an expansion of what can and can't be done without permission. Just the prompts is too narrow. Points 1 and 2 are very good, and should be added to the permission page.
I think that it is good that the prompts are optional. Maybe have an expectation that everything written before permission will be re-written before publication.
I wish that I had thought to ask for a co-write. That would have helped.
Out of interest, this file is from the first week in January of 2015. https://docs.google.com/document/d/17KAEkhoe6ykKuFk8WjoUiUCALDU4DjGiQbqsU0LlGEE/edit?usp=sharing It shows some of the problems I was having. -
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The problem with that is that the prompts were rather vague and broad. Most of them were situations where any team could be slotted in and have something happen. If an agent team isn't able to do anything with the prompts without being ooc, then there is probably something wrong with the team as PPC characters.
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I agree. by
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There was a problem with the team, and I should have been allowed to shelve them until I figured out what the problem was.
I'm not seeing vague and broad when I look at some of the prompts. I did have success with inserting the word "not" into a lot of them.
Here's a point of interest.
Ehm... your plot is good, though your answer to the question 'why does the vampire want coffee?' is 'he doesn't'. A partner is always a good way to force someone to do something; in the event that you can't do that, either (maybe his partner is a Dalek?), you'd need to work in another character who they both have reason (social or employment-based) to try and help. Arrogantly. Anyway, I think the plot as it stands works well - Shimon's initial resistance, his reason for acquiescing, and his 'victory' at the end (which makes me grin).
There might still be a problem with Samantha, though she seems to be working okay.
Quite literally, she needs nor wants anything but blood. Well, she does have a fear of dying in Nosgoth, which translates into wanting to please the Flowers and keep her job.
Samantha is the dominant partner, and is so uncaring for what Liz wants that she doesn't get dragged anywhere. They also rarely go to the same locations of Headquarters. (Samantha goes to the Watering Hole for blood and avoids the Cafeteria.)
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The Permission Prompts were introduced for two reasons:
1/ To stop people from posting unsuitable stories and being denied Permission because they couldn't read our minds.
2/ To test your creativity.
A PPC mission will throw very strange things in front of your agents, and of you, the writer. See this mission as an example. If your response to anything in the least bit unexpected coming up is to throw up your hands and say "I can't write this!", you will not be able to write PPC missions. That's just a fact.
The Permission Prompts are quirky. They're unusual. But they're in no way impossible. For sure, there are a couple which impart emotions on your characters - but that's why they come in pairs, so you can skip those ones if you really want.
Still don't believe me? I'll prove it to you. Pick any one of my PPC agents - anyone on that list with a department abbreviation or 'Retired' next to their name (the others are non-agents). Pick any TWO prompts from the list. I guarantee you that I can write a short story using both of those prompts and that agent, whatever you pick. Because that's what being creative is all about.
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I might be biased because I helped make them. But still!
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Are you talking about the ours? It is interesting that the agents almost screw that up.
I do have one specific thing that doesn't come up all of the time, but I don't seem to have the knack for. Remember http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?id=199610;article=301458;search_term=solo because that is one case where it is perhaps right to say "I can't."
Just this morning, I found fanfiction.net/s/6922962/1/Time-abhords-a-paradox-Well-screw-what-it-wanted NSFW MPREG SLASH
I'm not saying I shouldn't try it, but the malpropisms will trip me up.
The prompts aren't bad. Even optional, they are serving a good purpose.
As far as testing creativity... Perhaps.
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I literally have no idea what you're saying in most of this post. Were you actually responding to me there?
But if I understand your last paragraph correctly, you believe that I can make 55 agents who can handle all 72 prompts with no trouble - while you can't even come up with 2 that can deal with 1.
That... is a very worrying admission.
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I cannot recycle the character to fit the prompts. Just one psychotic vampire with issues. She may not belong in the PPC.
I honestly haven't tried other characters with the prompts, except for once. I'm sure that if I played with my army of characters, save for the vampire, I'd come up with some good stuff.
I am sure that most of your characters will fit most of the prompts. Even if I get lucky, you could easily tweak the character to fit and I would not notice.
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It had been quite some time since Selene Windflower had last needed to take a shower - it wasn't like she could sweat, after all. But the Mysterious Case of the Exploding Wraith (as Kaitlyn insisted on calling their last mission) had covered both agents in glitter, which Kaitlyn flatly refused to get all over the feeble shower in their RC. It had taken a fair amount of badgering, but eventually Selene had agreed to accompany her over to the washrooms.
Which didn't mean Kaitlyn was entirely satisfied. "You're going to shower wearing that?" she demanded as the vampire stepped out of her changing booth.
Selene looked down at her bathing suit. "What's wrong with it?"
"It's… you… compare and contrast, okay?" Kaitlyn waved a hand down her own front. "Bikini. Lots of skin. Easy to clean. Whereas you… sweet Nessa, would it kill you to show your knees?"
"It's all I've got," Selene said with a shrug, plucking at the neck-to-calf costume. "I've not really needed swimming clothes for… a long time." She reached up and brushed her fingers over the brass mechanisms on the side of her face. "I'm still not convinced this is a good idea."
"You'll be fine. C'mon." Kaitlyn grabbed her partner by the elbow and dragged her towards the glass door into the shower room. "I've checked, and they definitely don't use holy water."
"Oh, joy, something else to worry about. You do know how to make me feel bucksome." Selene pushed the door open and peered into the steam, her hand creeping up to the brass Key again. "Are you sure…?"
"Quit being such a wet blanket." Kaitlyn planted her hands on her partner's back and shoved, sending the vampire stumbling into the showers. "Pun intended."
Selene tensed as the hot water splashed over her, but when nothing seemed to happen she allowed herself to relax a little. "I suppose it isn't too bad," she allowed, stepping gingerly into the flow. "And it will be easier than rinsing my hair in the sink."
"That's the spirit." Kaitlyn gave her a thumbs up. "Maybe we'll even get to introduce you to soap."
"You are a very cheeky young whippy." Selene tipped her head back, letting the water run down her face. "Now hush and let me enjoy-"
"Seleeene." The word drifted through the steam, its origin invisible. "Seleeeeeene…"
The vampire peered into the fog at the vague figure across the room. "Yes?" she asked. "Do I know you?"
"Of cooourse you know me." The figure advanced through the swirling heat, coming into focus: tall and pale, her long dark hair covering one side of her face, a strange light in her eyes. "I'm youuu, Selene," she said, and grinned, baring a pair of sharp fangs.
Selene's hand whipped up to the Key. "No," she whispered, staring at the advancing apparition. "You can't be." Her shoulders trembled, the red glow of her eyes flaring up. "You can't be," she repeated, raising one shaking hand. A dull boom rattled the shower heads, as of distant thunder. "Go away," Selene ground out, "go away, go away-!"
"Selene!" Kaitlyn lunged across the room and grabbed her partner's outstretched arm. "Selene! Calm down! What's wrong?"
Selene stared unseeing over her shoulder. "They were gone," she mumbled, "I escaped them, but she's back, I'm back, I can't-"
Kaitlyn glanced back at the figure, which had come to a stop a few paces away. "Oh, take those things out, Hypatia," she snapped. "Can't you see you're freaking her out?"
The apparition cocked its head, then reached up and removed the set of cheap plastic fake fangs from her mouth. "Well, that's just silly," she said. "Like, a vampire scared of vampires? What's even with that?"
"That's clearly not what this is." Kaitlyn stepped in front of Selene and took hold of both her shoulders. "Hey," she said, shaking her gently, "snap out of it. It's Hypatia. You remember, the Arwen clone?"
Selene looked from Kaitlyn to Hypatia, then back again. The fire faded from her eyes. "You can see her?" she asked in a quavering voice. "She's not me?"
"Of course not." Kaitlyn patted her shoulder. "She just had silly costume teeth in, that's all." She shot a glare at the other woman. "Why she felt the need to follow us here to try and frighten you, I don't even want to guess."
"Hey, no fair!" Hypatia pouted at her. "I was here first. I just thought, when the vampire walked in, it'd be, like, funny. And I had the teeth in already, so…"
Kaitlyn blinked. "Why did you have vampire teeth in the shower? No, actually, forge-"
"There was this party," Hypatia interrupted, "out in New Cal, and I had like the best costume. Only I spilled the punchbowl when I tried to drink it, so I had to come and have a shower. That's called logic," she finished, fixing the shorter woman with a defiant look.
Kaitlyn sighed and shook her head. "It's called something," she muttered. "See, Selene? It was a joke. Just a silly joke."
The vampire finally tore her gaze away from Hypatia and met her partner's eyes. "It wasn't funny."
"Never said it was." Kaitlyn patted her shoulder vaguely and stepped back. "But can you stop looking so worried? It's making me want to hug you, and that's doing weird things to my head."
Selene managed a slight smile, and stepped back under the flow of the shower. "Okay," she whispered, pressing her hand over the gleaming clockwork Key. "Okay okay okay. I'm in control. I'm me. There is no other. Okay. Yes. Okay."
She closed her eyes, and for about twenty seconds stood absolutely still as the hot water tumbled over her shoulders. Then she nodded, looked at her partner, and smiled.
"Did you say something about soap? I think I'm ready to learn."
I deliberately made this 'prank' one that would push Selene's buttons (see here for the details on why), because it seems like you think vampires have to be inhuman monsters who are on a hair-trigger. I wanted to show something different. (And frankly, if you don't think you can write a vampire who doesn't straight-up murder anyone who looks sideways at her, I don't know why you'd want to write her at all.)
Selene's Victorian swimsuit was born as a counter to the fact that I'd just written the pair of them going into the shower; I didn't think nudity was particularly appropriate. I may have slightly overcompensated by covering her up so much, but it made for some interesting dialogue. I can also come up with at least three reasons for Selene to prefer that kind of swimwear, based on her personality and history; you can probably think up some of your own. One hallmark of a good writer is knowing when you don't have to say something.
Hypatia was perfect for this job; she's a ditz. If I hadn't had her to hand, I might have used Tia Hyrax; she's thirteen, so would be more playful about it, but could still have done the same thing.
I'm mostly happy with this fic. The main bit I have issue with is the very end - it's intended as Selene playfully (as much as she can) calling back to Kaitlyn's comments to let her know that she's okay, but I think it comes over as too serious. I'm nearly certain Selene used to shower all the time before she went loopy and wound up with the Key.
The one thing I didn't manage to squeeze in was Kaitlyn's comment on Selene's costume: "At least it's not black." Because it's not - it's red with little pastel-pink flowers all over it. It's a nice moment, and I have various scraps of writing which mention Sel's love for red-and-pink-flowered underclothes, but ultimately it didn't fit the story. Not everything has to go in every time.
As before, concrit is always welcome. :)
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Hmm. by
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I thought prompts were supposed to be funny. I don't think that getting her button pushed was funny.
I can't remember what the key is for, exactly. Clockwork sanity?
Samantha isn't a hair-trigger monster either. She's under a lot of stress, and started her development with a lot of angst. I have toned her down, but she was never the type to murder people without a better reason than looking at her funny.
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Prompts are supposed to show... by
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... that you understand how to write for the PPC. In this story, I showed that I could pair serious issues with humour, without dismissing the serious part, but also without letting it override the humour. Precisely how well I did that is open for interpretation, I suppose.
Given that you told Neshomeh you couldn't write your vampire chasing children "unless you like dead baby jokes" (paraphrasing), I am not inclined to believe your description here.
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Yes. by
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I am wondering again if Samantha was a good choice of character, but I like her. Perhaps the bad choice is dealing with Legacy of Kain within the context of the PPC.
(There are humorus fics in the LOK universe, but most of them are good. Most of the bad LOK fanfictions are taking themselves seriously.)
Having Samantha chase children is like letting a wolf loose in a deer pen and not expecting something horrible to happen.
((I know that Wolf Park in Lafayette, IN lets the wolves loose in the bison pen. The wolves are fed and trained, and I haven't heard of any accidents where the bison were seriously hurt.))
Samantha is not like my cat, who continues to bring dead dragonflies into the house for no reason other than boredom. -
All this begs the question... by
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...Why not just use a different character, then? I know I come up with so many different concepts so often I did like two things with my original permission pair and then never looked at them again.
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I wanted to. by
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I wanted to use my other team. I just didn't consider who my mains were, and my mains don't live in the same RC. I didn't know that I could use the team that I was going to work with first.
I ended up having to abandon the Larry and Samantha team because they just didn't work.
I tried to talk about the problem I was having.
I think that the PG thought I was only going to do two things with my permission pair and then never look at them again. -
Let's test this... by
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Dfyddd and Constance argue over who gets to do the Duty, and Agent!hS and Kaitlyn bargain for goods at the General Store.
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"Fight! Fight! Fight!" by
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Agent Huinesoron (DOGA/SIELU/DAS-DIG, depending on who's asking) strolled along the 'Green Stuff' aisle of the General Store. Every few steps, he pulled a box or bag from the shelf, and added it to his increasingly-overstuffed basket. It wasn't often, after all, that you could even find fresh vegetables in HQ, and there was an interesting salad he'd noticed on a mission in Dorthonion that he wanted to try. He'd need grapes from the vinyards of Dorwinion (into the basket they went), celery from anywhere (a bundle of Sphinxian imports followed the grapes), and of course, fried-
There was a swish from behind him, and a level voice said, "Put down the mushrooms and step away from the shelf."
Huinesoron turned slowly, and had to forcibly restrain himself from looking twice as far down as was actually required. "Agent Kaitlyn," he said, doing his best to smile. "It's been a while. Why are you pointing a stick at me?"
The not-actually-hobbit woman brandished said stick. "This is a Muggle-use wand," she said, "ten and a half inches of applewood with a unicorn hair core. It could blow your pointy ears clean off."
The elf frowned. "I thought those things didn't work in HQ. That's what you told me about mine…"
Kaitlyn rolled her eyes. "That was a clever lie." Without looking away, she flicked the wand in the general direction of the end of the aisle. "Incendio. Now hand over the-"
"Hey! Do you mind?"
Kaitlyn looked round guiltily at the couple a few steps down. A tall, dark-haired man was patting out the flames on the hem of his coat, while the woman with him tried to stifle her laughter.
"I mean, I know I'm a pyro," the man said, glancing up, "but this is ridicu… oh. Priestess Kaitlyn."
"Um." Kaitlyn flushed slightly, and did her best to hide her wand without actually moving. "Your High Priestiness. Hi."
"Just Dafydd will do." The ex-PPCer plucked at the charred edge of his coak. "Ah, well, I needed a new one anyway. But," he added with a scowl, "that doesn't mean I wanted you to set it aflame."
"That's his job," his wife said with a wink. "Hi, Kaitlyn."
"Agen- um, Constance." Kaitlyn chewed on her lip for a moment. "Sorry about the… the fire thing."
"Good." Dafydd let the blackened fabric fall from his fingers. "Why the pyrotechnics, anyway?"
"I think she was showing o- ah. That is to say." Huinesoron thought for a moment. "We were having a discussion. It got out of hand. Greetings, sir."
Dafydd seemed to register him for the first time. "Huinesoron," he said, the Quenya name flowing smoothly in his lilting accent. "Elen sila… well, no stars here, I suppose." He shook his head slightly, and then his gaze sharpened. "Actually," he said, "you're just the person to sort out a little dispute we've been having."
"Oh, you're not going to--?" Constance folded her arms across her chest. "Really, Dafydd?"
"What?" The elf spread his arms. "If you won't see reason, it's perfectly legitimate to ask a third party for advice."
Constance snorted. "A neutral third party, yes. Not another member of the Noldorin Supremacy Club."
"I wouldn't say I thought-" Huinesoron began, but Dafydd barrelled right over him.
"It's not being Noldorin that makes me superior," he said, then stuck his tongue out at his wife before turning back to Huinesoron. "Imagine, if you will, that you have been sent to hunt down a Suvian who utterly upends the entire history of our people. Do you agree that you would have a greater right to kill her than your partner," he waved one hand at Constance, "who simply objects to the way her Lust Object is treated?"
Huinesoron considered this. "It does seem rather more significant," he mused. "I think I'd certainly want to-"
"Oh, come on." Constance planted her hands on her hips and scowled. "You can't seriously value ancestry over character! I mean, would you say I had the right to the kill just because we were in one of my Dad's bo-?"
She stopped abruptly, ignoring Huinesoron's curious look, and turned to Kaitlyn. "You're with me on this, right?" she said. "I mean, if the Suvian was meddling with Luthien or whoever, you'd want to take her out, right?"
Kaitlyn held up her hands. "Hey, don't drag me into this," she said. "I'm just here for the mushrooms. Besides, I'm DCPS; I don't kill people."
Huinesoron glanced at her, his brow furrowed. "I thought you'd transferred to Floaters."
"I'm temporarily assigned to Floaters," Kaitlyn corrected with exaggerated precision. "I'm still a caseworker underneath. Just like these two," she flicked her wand at Dafydd and Constance," are still retired even if they're taking on this mission of theirs."
The couple exchanged a startled look. "We haven't got a mission," Dafydd said. "What are you talking about?"
Kaitlyn glanced from him to his wife and back. "The one you're arguing about," she said, "with the elves and the Lust Object…?"
"Oh, that's just hypothetical," Constance said with a flick of her head. "It didn't come up when we worked together, so we never really thought about it."
"Then why are you here?" Huinesoron put in. "In HQ, I mean, now that you're retired."
"Because it's next to impossible to get groceries out of season in Malij," Dafydd said. "Like tomatoes, or… mushrooms." He reached over and plucked the carton out of Huinesoron's hand, tucking it one-handed under his arm. "See you around. Connie - run."
This was fun. ^_^ Writing should be fun, and having a challenge - like shoving four characters and two dissonant scenarios into the same story - makes it more so.
Nor was it particularly difficult. Because I know the characters I've created - hS is a Noldo trying to work through his superiority complex, Kaitlyn is a bouncy kid who really wants to be a hobbit - I knew straight away how to get them into this situation, and how it would unfold. hS has never shown an interest in cooking before - fine, I'll make it something non-Elvish (so he's experimenting) and specifically highlight that it's a rare opportunity. Send in the mushrooms, and the conflict is established.
I have to credit Kaitlyn for the idea of Dafydd and Constance's argument being hypothetical. I could have written it as literal (they're the sorts to push their way into a mission, and I could've come up with something they needed to buy from the Store to make the kill), but it would have deprived me of the gag at the end.
In terms of the writing, most of this sprang full-formed. My original plan ('plan' in that it was the idea in my head when I started) was for Kaitlyn to blow up a shelf, and for her next line to be 'Hand over the mushr- omigosh I'm so sorry!'. I dropped that in favour of the continuity nods - except for Constance and Huinesoron, all of these characters have history with each other.
The final gag was a late addition, too. Originally, they were going to be in HQ to pick up the proper ingredients for lembas (which, again, you can't get in Malij), but the opportunity to slap on a cheeky ending was too much to resist. :)
This story (which clocks in at just under a thousand words) is sort of halfway between a Permission piece and a general ficlet. It takes a stab at introducing the characters - it tells you that Kaitlyn acts hobbit-like but isn't one, and throws Dafydd's personal superiority complex out there - and their relationships (the 'sir' in hS's greeting to Dafydd speaks volumes), but it doesn't descend into 'as you know, we retired almost ten years ago now, because...'.
Then again, it doesn't need to. Agent bios are there to catch anything untoward in your backstories and powersets; Permission pieces are supposed to show off your writing and your characters' personalities. I think (hope?) I've done that.
Concrit is of course welcome; I'll be inserting this story somewhere on my site (unless there's serious problems with it that I've not noticed).
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DAS-DIG? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 11:51:00 UTC
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That is correct. (nm) by
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I've never heard of it and the wiki isn't telling me. :( by
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Also, throwing another challenge into the ring:
Agent: Jared
Prompts: One agent discovers a way to travel into the PPC’s past and alter history; the other tries to convince them not to do it.
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That doesn't make it incorrect. by
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And... yikes, did you choose Jared for that specially? It's a pretty perfect fit.
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It was a question, not a critique. by
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I probably should have phrased it as "What's DAS-DIG"? Sorry. I also suspect that was a joke that just flew entirely over my head.
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I know; I'm avoiding answering it. ^_^ by
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And like I said, Jared is perfect for that prompt, so I'm not complaining.
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There was a misspelling. by
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"The ex-PPCer plucked at the charred edge of his coak"
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Ah, it's a cloak. Thanks. ^_^ (nm) by
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You have it as a coat when it first appears. by
on 2017-05-26 16:14:00 UTC
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On another note, that's a hilarious little story. I was smiling pretty much all the way through it. It does help to know the characters, though--I would otherwise have been a little confused by some things like the mention of hS not looking down to Hobbit height. Then again, it's possible the bit about the mushrooms might have cleared that up... It certainly helped to know both the agents and the related canons.
The only thing I can't figure out is why Constance breaks off when talking about her father's books. Is it some really obvious thing that I've missed, or more obscure?
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Curse that coat. :( It was always supposed to be a cloak. by
on 2017-05-26 16:30:00 UTC
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I see what you mean about the looking-down; I'm trying to come up with a way to slip it in without it looking obvious. Probably an expansion to the 'not-actually-hobbit' line in the following paragraph.
As to Constance, it was revealed here that a) her dad's an author, and b) she doesn't like to mention that fact. She's apparently loosened up a bit on it since leaving the PPC, but it's still a bit of a hangup. Precisely why she feels that way, given that he's established to have banned fanfic of his stuff, I'm not certain...
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The linked story. I like it. :D by
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That's a very fun read, that is. I'm glad I asked. I should, at some point, probably just go find and read every Dafydd-and-Constance story around, since I obviously have not read them all. That would be fun to do.
And yeah. I mean...I like the not looking down line, but if I didn't know a, that Agent hS and Kaitlyn had been on a mission together, and b, anything at all about Kaitlyn's hobbit obsession and about hobbits in general, it would've been confusing. As it was, I had to think for a moment before the disguise reference clicked.
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I can... I can... I CAN HELP WITH THAT! :D :D :D by
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Ohmystars, this is the first time anyone's ever actually said they wanted this, I'm so exciteeeeeed--!
Ahem. Sorry about that. Anyway: there is a Illian-Sims family timeline on my website, listing every story with Dafydd, Constance, or their children in. It's not perfectly complete - this fic isn't in it, and the latest Hunger Games aren't, but other than that it... actually might have everything.
And it was a lot of work and I was super pleased with it but no-one's ever needed it before and squee. ^_^
I think something like 'The woman - who was not actually a hobbit, despite her tendency to come across as one - brandished said stick'. That's a bit clunky, but I'll work on it.
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I did not know that I need this, but now I do. by
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Apparently I have actually read all of these over the last five to six years. But if I ever find the time to reread, I can now do it in chronological order. Whooo!
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:D You amuse me. by
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My goodness, that's a lovely set-up. I really like how that timeline+stories looks: it's so neat, and everything's right there, and wowawesomeyesgood
how do I mimic this on the wiki.
So yeah, I'll be going through that. I think I've previously mainly just read chunks of what's linked on the characters' wiki pages, plus a few other things, but...timeline! Fantastic! I really, really like the look of this. And, and I want to make my own. Somehow. So far, my ideas involve a Word document and comments...not as neat, but certainly functional. Probably.
...yeah, I'll keep thinking about that.
Anyway, thanks very much for the link (is this an even better link than the story link? I'd say so, since it leads to even more stories). I'll be sure to take a look through it. And may you have many more people needing it. (Also, seriously, the amount of work put into it shows. It's very nice.)
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:O I can help with that too!!! by
on 2017-05-26 18:23:00 UTC
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This is my mostly-abandoned SorTable of my stories on the Wiki. The code can be directly ported to other pages, and you can make any columns you want sortable.
I am so pleased right now I can't even. ^_^
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Uh, hS, while I've got your attention... by
on 2017-05-26 20:16:00 UTC
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...there's something wrong with the Fanfic Land and Fanfic World links. Specifically, of the links under "Links" on this page, only the third one works. None of the stories are accessible.
~Z
PS: The table, on the other hand, is working well and is very, very fun. It's also made me realize that half of my agent pages (or so) are several years out of date, which...I mean, I knew some of them were a little out of date, but I didn't know they were that out of date. Whoops? Anyhow, the table's been fun. -
... ah, bother. by
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Okay, there's two problems there. One was Webs, which I've fixed. The other... is that FfW is built on Google Drive javascript and CSS files, which are no longer available.
This... may not be easy to fix.
Individual stories are still accessible; the addresses take this format:
http://fanfic_land.webs.com/FfW/Story21-1.htm
I think I may just make a link repository for both sites, and then move the next Badfic Games (that I feel up to archiving) to a third site. One that Liechtenstein can't find and sabotage.
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I. I just. I. Wow. by
on 2017-05-26 18:34:00 UTC
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Do you hold the answers to everything right now because whaaaaat.
This is amazing. Quick, what's the fastest way to get to the moon? Why are there no three-legged animals? Why do amusing questions or lists of things come in threes?Will this even work with non-PPC related questions?
Ahem.
So, yes, that's pretty awesome and I'm going to see how I can adapt that. It looks helpful. And useful. And I can already see I'm going to have fun with it, whether or not I end up using it...though I could see it working very well for, say, the Reader's page, since there's a lot there and some of it has major spoilers for later stories despite being set earlier...yes, I think I'll give it a try. If it works, it'll go up; if not, it...well, it won't. Either way, I anticipate fun. :D
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Torchship, bilateral symmetry, psychology. [Thumbs up] (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 21:40:00 UTC
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I hereby crown you with the Crown of Awesome Answering. by
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Wear it well and with pride and--well, carefully, since it's pretty pointy what with all the 'A's in the design...
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Re: Tomash's thoughts and proposals. by
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Can someone move Kelly into the out-of-continuity for me?
I think in addition to the rule of not manipulating the process, there needs to be an addition to the FAQ. "What happens if someone has trouble with the permission process?"
I think the answer should be that the problem will be examined by the board. In a lot of cases, a little flexibility should fix the problem.
Someone else said before permission that they would drop an idea, only to write it into a story later.
I'll go back later to tweak the permission page to be presented in a less confusing manner without fundamentally changing it.
I also felt that during the permission process, some requests were added. I have an essay on my vampire's powers. Also, I got vague feedback about wanting to know more about my vampire; she wasn't the POV character and doesn't talk about herself.
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Tomash should be allowed to post. She is gone voluntarily, after all.
http://technodann.github.io/PPC-board-2.0/archive/2014/07b.html#post-100166
"I couldn't find a prompt that would work with my main team,"
"I finally found something to wedge in as a random prompt"
This was after I complained that I didn't want to use Samantha and Larry and was ignored. I can't find the link right now.
36 Permission Prompts" document, which you must have looked at in order to come to the conclusion that you couldn't find a random prompt you liked.
Not liking the prompt was language from the FAQ, and not what I was saying. I was afraid of what would happen if I corrected her preconception.
I was asked to use my main team, and only later was it revealed that I could choose which team I wanted to use.
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I agree with Tomash's proposal. by
on 2017-05-24 05:24:00 UTC
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That being, Permission revoked on grounds of obtaining it when not only she wasn't supposed to be asking in the first place thanks to the ban, but also lying about the characters and manipulating the process would be reasonable to me. Tomash's added caveat that zdimensia be allowed to try again in the future—after she's proven herself trustworthy enough to ask Permission—is acceptable as well.
I'd be in much more favor of just saying "No, you willfully broke your ban twice and lied and tricked your way into regaining (misplaced) trust, so you should leave." But if that were not possible, then Tomash's suggestions are fine by me. -
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on 2017-05-23 14:14:00 UTC
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I want to focus on writing. Trouble is that I have this backlog of old stories that need a second look before I can move forward. Can anyone help me?
The first three are all My Little Pony Despatch stories. I think that I've approached the Despatch well, sometimes speculating whether a character represents their author or not, but only saying for sure when I'm positive that they're just a character.
The first story has meth use, nudity, and references to Cupcakes. Rated T.
The second story has cussing, romance, and an obsession with Deadmau5. Rated T.
The third story is NSFW.
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Here's my view. by
on 2017-05-23 05:23:00 UTC
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After years of being in this community, I think what is now clear is that we are not equipped to work with you in a productive way. I'm sorry that's the case, and I wish it weren't true. But a large number of your interactions with other Boarders have been characterized by miscommunication and confusion.
Bramandin, I don't think this community is healthy for you. I don't want to see you hurting, either emotionally or physically, because of anything that happens here. Your personal safety is far more important than anything else. That is why I would like to ask you to give this community up. Forget the PPC, forget everyone here, block the Board on your system if you don't have the will power to stop coming. Live a happy and safe life with your husband, and forget us.
I want to reiterate that my intent here is not to kick you out, or turn you away from us, as any kind of punishment or attack. I also don't want this to feel like a punishment for having autism, as I know that's not something you can help, and that you've been working hard to be a part of the community in spite of it. I want this to be a decision you make, to ensure your own continued health and life, and to leave a situation that isn't making you happy, and isn't benefiting you. Please, do this to keep yourself safe.
—with respect, goodwill, and hope for a safe future,
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I've got to agree with doctorlit here. by
on 2017-05-23 17:32:00 UTC
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I've read over everything I can get my hands on, the archives, Nesh's email conversations, even my emails with you to see if I could get anything else from them. I honestly do not believe it would a good idea for you to stay in this community Bramandin, not because you are not good for this community, but because it is becoming increasingly obvious to me that this community is not good for you. That is not an attack against either you or anyone in this community, but I think a mutual parting of ways is the best outcome for this situation.
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I disagree by
on 2017-05-23 18:25:00 UTC
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I'm feeling better than I have in a long time. Even being Bramandin, before anyone else knew, I felt better to be talking to you.
I might leave once the wounds have healed.
Barring any honestly despicable behavior from me, I feel that I should be able to come and go as I please. That includes refraining from posting when I'm stressed.
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Please clarify something. by
on 2017-05-24 14:43:00 UTC
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Are you, or are you not, feeling suicidal at this time?
You started off this thread by telling us you were feeling suicidal, but here you say you're feeling better than you have in a long time. Which is it? Or, if you were feeling suicidal when you first posted, but your situation has changed since then, please tell us that.
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Hey, thanks for asking. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 04:21:00 UTC
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I dunno by
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I still feel like every person here would live happily ever after if I killed myself.
I'm not actively feeling suicidal at the moment.
I am prepared to go to the hospital, but I don't want to.
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on 2017-05-24 15:20:00 UTC
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Yes, that is satisfactory, and it helps.
I'll be the first to say that no one wants you to kill yourself. We would be very upset if you did that.
I'm glad you're prepared to get help if you need it.
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That was... kinda blunt, Nesh. (nm) by
on 2017-05-24 14:50:00 UTC
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I don't know how else to get a straight answer. (nm) by
on 2017-05-24 14:52:00 UTC
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I understand that. by
on 2017-05-24 15:01:00 UTC
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I understand what you're asking, and why. But... this doesn't feel like the sort of question you'd ask someone you thought might actually be contemplating suicide, because of how badly someone in that state might take it.
Or something like that.
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No. by
on 2017-05-24 15:10:00 UTC
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Neshome didn't do wrong. I think that hospital staff will also ask it that bluntly.
She did write FicPsych. Maybe she's done a lot of research?
She also has some insight on how I don't do subtle well.
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Okay. (nm) by
on 2017-05-24 16:13:00 UTC
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Fair Enough. by
on 2017-05-23 21:05:00 UTC
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I'm just saying what I feel would be best, but you're you and thus the best judge of what is ultimately the best thing for you to do. So go for it.
Nope, that's not me. I don't even know how to block people on gmail. -
Thanks by
on 2017-05-23 13:16:00 UTC
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My time here has been a little bit rocky, but I don't think it's been irredeemably bad.
There is a nightmare PPC. The first six months of my ban were somewhat relaxing since I could work in peace on what went wrong. But then I found my answer.
I started yelling at the wall because I felt I couldn't tell you what had happened. Of course I felt un-listened to because you couldn't defend yourselves.
I need for you to say that things aren't true.
I feel that every person on the board will live happily ever after if I kill myself, or even just go back to suffering in silence. That's right, I feel like I'm not considered a person.
When I realized that I felt abused, it hurt not to say anything. You dismissed me, even saying I was delusional. People who gaslight say their victim is crazy. You took away my ability to speak. -
Do you want someone to vent to? by
on 2017-05-23 03:41:00 UTC
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You can email me if you'd like.
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I don't have your email address. by
on 2017-05-23 04:29:00 UTC
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bramandintook at gmail
I'm going to try to go back to bed, though. -
I forgot to check the box (nm) by
on 2017-05-23 12:16:00 UTC
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Probably just a coincidence, but who are you? (nm) by
on 2017-05-23 22:22:00 UTC
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I joined years ago but I tend to lurk (nm) by
on 2017-05-23 23:24:00 UTC
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Oh, phew, good. Not the Ozzie/Ocelot I was thinking of. (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 21:16:00 UTC
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Someone say something. (nm) by
on 2017-05-23 02:25:00 UTC
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Nitwit. Oddment. Blubber. Tweak. (nm) by
on 2017-05-23 02:35:00 UTC
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Scapegrace: by
on 2017-05-23 07:12:00 UTC
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I think you were trying to use four random words here (to 'say something'); however, unfortunately the first word ('nitwit') ended up being an insult, which - given how pretty much anything can be used as an insult - ended up colouring the other words as well. Obviously deliberately being insulting would be an issue under the Constitution; I feel it would be appropriate for you to apologise for your choice of words giving the impression you were flaming.
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It's a Harry Potter reference. by
on 2017-05-23 08:07:00 UTC
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Albus Dumbledore gives a speech at the start of the year, and ends on the following: "It is customary for the Headmaster to say a few words. Nitwit. Oddment. Blubber. Tweak. Thank you."
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Colour me amused. :) by
on 2017-05-23 08:48:00 UTC
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That's a good reference, appropriately used.
That said, I still feel you should consider an apology for using something that could be easily misunderstood as a flame. And I would say the same to Dumbledore if he was here. :)
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You raise a very fair point. by
on 2017-05-23 13:58:00 UTC
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I mean, regardless of the size of the fandom, not everyone shares the same reference pool. If that was the case and anyone took it as a personal attack, I apologise.
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... Whiiiiich Google informs me I screwed up. Whoops. by
on 2017-05-23 08:35:00 UTC
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Oddment and blubber were the wrong way round, in the catastrophically unlikely event anyone's interested.
In any event, I'll issue an apology for pretty much anything that causes offence, but I don't think referential humour really warrants one. I mean, come on, how many Potterverse missions and agents have we had over the years? =] -
processing... by
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I got that it was supposed to be a reference for something, but I did not recognize it. I came across this fascinating article. http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/nitwit-blubber-oddment-tweak-four-words-for-other/
You were trying to be funny. You were ultimately not that helpful.
My knee-jerk reaction was to call you a nerd. This could be seen in so many ways, but I view it as a positive word.
Even though the article says that they were insults, I viewed it as simply a quote.
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I really don't think this is the right time for flippancy. (nm) by
on 2017-05-23 03:40:00 UTC
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On the permission process. by
on 2017-05-22 23:38:00 UTC
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Again, from memory, but I think it's June and July of 2014.
I was wrong to think that I had to interact on the board to get permission. It got worse as I felt more attacked and ignored. There was a joke about how someone couldn't understand that my character was a Mary-Sue for five minutes, and then a vampire for five centuries. It made me feel that I would be mocked for being weird, and increased the stress, which made it harder to communicate.
I think that there was no malice behind it, but it seems that having a problem with the permission process is a grave sin.
I began by being too open and honest about my plans. I revealed that my first team wasn't my main team, and then was asked to use my mains. It seems the only solution would have been to lie about who my main team was so that I could use my first team.
That team was a lot more complicated, and didn't fit the prompts. Bramandin had the flexibility to write whatever he wanted to know his characters. zdimensia was stuck trying to know them outside of the PPC, which wouldn't have identified the problem, or writing them out of character.
I wrote that "I don't want to use these characters" and got no response. A few weeks later, I wrote "my characters don't fit the prompts." Someone noted that I was getting frustrated, but I was too shy to respond.
When I noted that the permission process was confusing, someone asked me how, but I got no response when I explained things. The permission process page was adjusted later, after it would do me no good. I do feel that I was hazed by having to use characters that didn't quite fit the formula, but people just assumed that I was complaining because I couldn't write.
I admit that I didn't use a beta. It was part of how the permission process page is confusing. I've made an adjustment. I got convinced that I couldn't use a beta. I got a little bit of confusing feedback early on, and following it made things worse.
Neshome changed "my characters wouldn't do this" to "I don't like the prompts." It's the language from the FAQ, showing that she was going off of preconceptions rather than actually listening. I was too scared to correct her.
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On banning. by
on 2017-05-22 22:43:00 UTC
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I'm doing this from memory, but the archives from August of 2014 should have the truth.
Oh, she volunteered to leave for a few months. Let's take a three-month ban out of the choices because it won't be punishment anyway.
It's also where people noticed that I had trouble communicating on the board. Samuri said that I was a different person in googledocs. People lamented that I hadn't been given a big sis.
Punished for what, exactly? For not being listened to? For having a disability that makes it hard to communicate? For having trouble with the permission process? For not being told clearly what you wanted me to do?
Probably getting more into July than August here. You kept telling me to get permission, I was well beyond done with explaining that I was having a problem. (If you had listened to me and talked to me, there wouldn't have been a problem.) When I did what you told me to do, I was banned.
When you said I needed permission, I did step back and work on things that were allowed. I just didn't clearly explain what I was doing.
You said to rely on the wiki that had let me down. No one explained until later that just because it's a canonical PPC story doesn't mean it fits into PPC canon. I'm still confused on how I was supposed to know that. I think that somehow I had to guess what the PG's headcanon was.
If someone had said, "The issue is the questions" it could've been solved a lot faster. I can't read your mind, and I can't interpret subtext.
I didn't know I was supposed to vote. Even so, it wasn't 70% concensus.
If I had been allowed to voluntarily leave for a few months, or even allowed to stay, you would have seen me calm down.
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The details of zdimensia's ban/is Bramandin violating it? by
on 2017-05-23 14:55:00 UTC
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I have gone to the trouble of reconstructing the links in the post prompting zdimensia's ban discussion, which can be found on the Altchives here. The links represent my best guesses, but I'm pretty sure of most of them.
You have ignored a direct request to expand on an apology for blatant racism which was only extracted from you with extreme difficulty, specifically three separate statements [These are my best guesses based on the timeline. Others that might be being referenced are this and this. ~2017!hS] that you need to do so to continue posting on the Board. Said apology reads very clearly as you feeling hard done by and only giving it under duress. It also contains explicit confirmation - not that any was needed - that you consider yourself genuinely racist.
As a consequence of all these factors, your statement that 'she hates Nazis slightly more than what is socially necessary' reads, to me, as 'I don't believe hating Nazis has any foundation, but sigh, it's socially necessary to pretend to do so'. Which would be an incredibly racist attitude to express.
However, all of the above is my interpretation of events, not an assertion of fact. Therefore, I am requesting the PPC community to offer opinions:
-Has zdimensia, during or after her apology, violated the letter or spirit of the PPC Constitution, or any other standards of behaviour you believe to apply to the PPC Board?
-If so, what should the community's response be?
hS
A few other posts are relevant here:
In this post I proposed a 1-year ban, and also suggested that violating it should lead to a permanent ban. You can see the responses to that underneath.
This post marks the top of the (short) thread in which the ban was formalised.
Bramandin has already linked to this thread, in which she returned two months before her ban expired. As a result of this, and multiple requests in the thread, her IP address was blocked by the Nameless Admin (as is standard when someone violates a ban).
And this is Bramandin's introduction post, which came a full six months after her original ban would have expired, and eight after her early return.
A key question which needs to be answered by the PPC community is: should Bramandin be considered a banned user? She did not appear until after zdimensia's ban would have expired; however, there is an argument to be made that zdimensia's violation of that ban made it permanent. If there is a community consensus that she should not have rejoined the Board, the ban should be re-implemented.
This post was originally written before the permaban uncertainty was brought to my attention, hence the slightly odd format. Given the discussion underway, I felt it might be useful to have the reason zdimensia was banned shown as clearly as possible.
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My thoughts by
on 2017-05-24 14:55:00 UTC
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zdimensia was banned. She broke the ban and, thus, should be permabanned (I understand now that we should have been explicit on that point when the IP ban was put in place). Bramandin is zdimensia (who came back under false pretenses to avoid being banned) and, thus, should be permabanned.
Also, I see a lot of people saying "but Bramandin is trying". I do not see anything of the sort. I see the same behavior that we have always seen. The "trying" was a facade that fell away when they posted this thread. This is how she really feels. She was upset because, in her mind, we were silencing her from saying how terrible we all are so we could repent. She still takes no responsibility for their bad behavior, and instead are waiting for the PPC community to apologize for intentionally inciting her to behave poorly.
But the community did not force zdimensia to break her ban. We didn't force her to create a sock puppet to get around the ban. We didn't force her to, by her own account, attempt to manipulate the permission process. We did not force her to lie repeatedly to the community. She chose to do all of that.
I'm personally done with this, and vote for an explicit permanent ban.
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My jury is still out on this. by
on 2017-05-25 16:10:00 UTC
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I don't think the permaban angle was made explicit either when zdimensia was banned nor when she reappeared. I don't like the way she came back, but I also don't feel that retroactively imposing a permaban that wasn't clear at the time is... fair.
I also think - know - that zdimensia wasn't banned for being unable to listen; she was banned for racism and pro-Nazi statements. Neither of those have shown up anywhere near Bramandin, so I don't feel good about the idea of saying she's 'done it again', when she hasn't. (I know you haven't said that; I'm just explaining my thought process.)
That said... I don't like Bramandin's behaviour in this thread. I don't like her behaviour in the Iximaz thread. I don't like her behaviour in the chat logs with Neshomeh, and I don't like her behaviour in her two failed Permission threads.
She makes all the right noises for someone who is trying desperately to understand why people are mad at them, but when people sit down yet again and explain it... she keeps making those same noises.
I don't know. It just feels like some of the ban suggestions across the thread are less 'ban her for doing bad stuff', and more 'ban her for not taking it back very well'.
Let me be clear: I don't think Bramandin fits into this community at all. I think she should take the advice she was offered right from the start of this thread, accept that she's just not meshing with the PPC, and leave. But I don't know that I'm able to vote for us forcing her to do so.
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If it please the jury... by
on 2017-05-25 19:28:00 UTC
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...I can make a case for zdimensia/Bramandin being in repeated violation of at least 5 articles of the Constitution. Most of which have nothing to do with their dodging of the ambiguous permaban.
Article 2) Do Not Flame. You are allowed to disagree with people, but Do Not Flame. There is a distinct difference between 'I don't agree with your opinion and I think that your theory is factually wrong' and 'You're an idiot and your opinion is built on lies and stupidity'. If you find that you're hurling insults around, just stop. This even (or perhaps especially) applies if you consider yourself to have been wronged by another community member. If it’s a misunderstanding, a flame is an unwarranted attack. And if they’re deliberately trying to provoke you, attacking them is exactly what they want - and damages the community as a whole.
Repeated accusations of intentional wrongdoing about various members of the community constitute Flames, in my estimation. Especially after it has been explained, several times, that those accused did nothing wrong.
Article 5) If someone says something that seems offensive, but you’re not sure exactly what they meant, ASK them first, before jumping down their throats. Astonishingly enough, most people aren’t out to offend anyone. (If they are being deliberately insulting, believe me, you’ll have a lot of backup.) Don't be afraid to ask what someone meant - it isn't silly to want the full facts. Equally, if there has been an honest misunderstanding, accept the mistake and move on. Apologies for making a mistake, and for being unclear, are recommended, but should not be demanded.
zdimensia/Bramandin repeatedly admits to assuming Bad Faith on the part of various members of the community, even when those members have explained their meaning.
Article 8) Wilful ignorance is not an excuse. If someone is ignoring the Constitution and claiming that they’re not really doing anything wrong - despite explanations to the contrary - that may constitute using up their chance. However, wilful ignorance on the part of the accuser is also not an excuse. If someone clarifies a genuine misunderstanding, continuing to push for an apology may count as persecution on your part.
Just...all of this.
Article 11) Thou shalt make thyself legible. Spell correctly and use good grammar to the best of your ability — remember, the PPC is a force for good writing, and that includes SPaG. Wherever you are in the PPC community, spell, punctuate and grammatise to the very highest standard. Occasional honest mistakes will be forgiven, of course — but everything else aside, it’ll be hard for everyone to understand you and respond to you if you go, "OMG! I cant belive taht newst movie is out! Its so gr8!"
I can read the words, but the sentences and paragraphs make no sense. There are non-sequitors galore, accusations lacking context, answering questions that were never asked, and any number of other problems. I can maybe understand that while a person is in the heat of the moment, but it's been days now, and it happens every time this type of discussion comes up.
Article 14) Stick to one penname across the PPC as far as possible — or at least make it clear that the different names are still you. For instance, your Wiki user page should mention your Boarder name. Please don’t deliberately use multiple names — it’s confuzzling and pointlessly annoying to start an argument with yourself, and we can usually spot it. (Of course, if you’re role-playing, that’s a different matter entirely — see Articles 16, 19, and especially 29!)
Creating a new name with a new intro post to pretend to be someone else so you don't get banned.
This is the sort of thing I am having a problem with, but it has taken me this long to voice it because I had to research it.
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Arguments... by
on 2017-05-26 20:06:00 UTC
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I'm not trying to flame. I just lack the language to state my interpretation; I lack the language to make it easy for the other person to correct it.
The response I wanted was, "This is why this isn't true."
I think I'm getting hung up on the difference between "didn't do anything wrong." "There wasn't a mistake." Or "This didn't affect the receiving party."
I am embracing that there was an accident. I am embracing that my misunderstandings turned a small problem into a big one.
Once other people acknowledged that they made a mistake... I might have been slow to accept it.
I admit that I was mirroring the community's attitude when I rejected Neshome's apology. She didn't deserve that, and I am sorry.
I was under stress for days. Non-sequiturs do not feel disconnected to me.
I felt that the myth you built up wasn't giving me a fair shot. I felt that the preconception that I was a troll prevented you from trying to hear what I was trying to say. I thought that Bramandin was doing somewhat well.
About the inability to be clear, I am working on it. I had this conversation with a stranger. https://docs.google.com/document/d/10EPxperH4W5zyuQSJb2eoE1-ZowUa8dFiQZ5DdrmYfE/edit?usp=sharing It was rather spooky. -
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I mean, first off: I'm not going to vote against a ban. I just don't think I could vote for it.
I think the problem I have with your post is that you're stretching the definitions of all the Articles you point at. I flat-out disagree with characterising accusing people of mistreating you as flaming; the others (apart from Article 8, which I will readily allow) really do feel like you're stretching for a reason to ban somebody you want gone. It doesn't feel like "wow, that's a constitutional violation, we need to get this person out because they're messing up the community"; it feels like "wow, this person's irritating, let's boot them".
I'm not saying that's what you're thinking. And like I said, I think it would be best all round if she just left. But that's how it feels.
Remember that, as zdimensia, she was far more aggressive in her accusations, much less coherent, and far less willing to even attempt apologies. But she was banned for racism.
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I agree that I am stretching on article 2. There wasn't textbook definition flaming. However, we didn't figure that anyone would level repeated false accusations of harassment at the community. It didn't need to be said because it was understood to be bad. If we had said it, it most definitely fits under the spirit of article 2.
Delta Juliet disagrees with me on article 14 because it was made for situations where someone is sock puppeting. The letter of the law is to prevent things like anonymously trolling the Board to make yourself look the victim. It doesn't cover someone using a new persona to, by their own admission, avoid punishment that they think is coming. We never thought it would come up. It was known to be bad. But that situation does fit under the spirit of article 14.
The point I am trying to make is that zdimensia/Bramandin does a lot of things that are known to be bad behavior but aren't explicitly mentioned in the constitution because we didn't think it needed to be said.
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I accept your point. by
on 2017-05-26 21:47:00 UTC
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I'll even agree with it.
My point, in turn, is that I feel banning is supposed to be used on people who are actively malevolent - who are deliberately trying to cause trouble. I don't know that I feel zdimensia/Bramandin has ever come across that way.
But I also think she should leave. I guess I want it both ways - I want the PPC community to have a set of shared values, but I don't like the idea of kicking out people who don't share them. ("Recognising when you're in the wrong," in this case.)
I don't know.
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I have to agree with a permanent ban. by
on 2017-05-25 15:41:00 UTC
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Between my earlier observation that Bramandin and our community can't communicate effectively, and the points Phobos and Miah have made about Bram's lack of progress, I also support a permanent ban. It is, unfortunately, the best thing for everyone involved.
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Phobos has said pretty much all I was going to say (nm) by
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Since the question of 'trying' has come up. by
on 2017-05-24 15:27:00 UTC
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It may be considered helpful to have the links to Bramandin's Permission requests, since she specifically discusses them in Neshomeh's email chain as an example of how 'Bramandin' was treated differently to 'zdimensia'.
Request 1 (Feb '16, denied by JulyFlame)
Request 2 (April '16, denied by Neshomeh)
Request 3 (May '16, denied by Desdendelle)
Request 4 (June '16, granted by JulyFlame)
And, for comparison's sake, zdimensia's Permission Requests:
Request 1 (June '14, denied by Neshomeh)
Request 2 (July '14, denied by Delta Juliette-by-any-other-name)
Request 3 (August '14, denied by... banning, basically)
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Actually... by
on 2017-05-24 18:27:00 UTC
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The last of the requests listed was also denied by JulyFlame, not just by the ban.
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re: by
on 2017-05-24 15:24:00 UTC
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I'm getting a lot of it is your fault that you are angry at us, and it's your fault that we are angry at you.
Bramandin from the last year wasn't a facade. That's me when I'm somewhat calm.
zdimensia is partly myth because you wouldn't understand her motivations, which were never malicious.
Wait until the dust settles and see how the future goes.
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Ugh, I remember this. by
on 2017-05-24 09:13:00 UTC
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Right. Huinesoron's proposal included a clause that violation of the 12-month ban would lead to a permanent ban. No objection was raised by respondents to that post.
On the other hand, Phobos's survey, which was the method used to vote on the ban, contains no such clarifying clause. Since Phobos wasn't one of the people who replied to hS... I don't know.
My inclination, given Bramandin's poor reception to constructive criticism on her missions and her recent harassment of Iximaz, is to declare the ban permanent due to the violation, particularly after reading over Neshomeh's correspondence with her. However, I'm torn. Bramandin has been making an effort to improve, it seems, and she's certainly not as bad as she was when posting as zdimensia. As such, my mind could be changed.
As a final note, directly to Bramandin: I'm autistic, too. It's not an excuse. You can learn to be better, but here is not the place to teach you the skills you need. If you are to remain, you need to speak less and listen more, and continue to make a concerted effort to be better every day. -
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on 2017-05-24 15:13:00 UTC
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I actually do want to speak less.
There is a lot of anger right now. Wait for the dust to settle. -
Sure. by
on 2017-05-25 06:00:00 UTC
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People are angry. Do you understand why? If you can't demonstrate that you do and take the appropriate steps to reconcile with those who are angry, the dust won't settle until the banhammer has swung.
I believe that anyone can change. I think that you need to learn to recognise when you are in the wrong, and change yourself instead of demanding everyone else change for you. Until you are capable of this (and I know you can be), I'm sorry, but you have no place here. -
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on 2017-05-25 07:06:00 UTC
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I am angry. People don't seem to understand why.
People are angry at me because:
I won't stay silent about them wronging me, and it makes them feel bad.
I have tonal problems, and am perceived as negative when I mean good.
I miss subtle clues.
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I cannot speak for anyone else; however, I am not angry for any of the reasons you state.
I am angry because you show no respect for the opinions of others. Nobody has wronged you, and you have wronged others; people have told you so, but you can see no further than your own grudge.
I am angry because you have now twice broken your ban - especially so this second time, because you have lied to the community since your return.
I am angry because of how you treated Neshomeh when she tried to help you, even keeping secret your ban violation for you.
I am angry because of how you use your autism as a shield to deflect valid criticism of your actions. Again, I cannot speak for anyone else, but I don't believe there has been a thread debating whether to ban me (if there was, someone please link it, because that'd be a hell of a thing to miss), so people are clearly tolerating me despite my own issues.
I am angry because you still aren't listening when people point out your troublesome behaviour. You don't consider what they say; instead, you deflect.
I am angry because you appear to be making no effort to improve yourself. You are blinded by what you view as an injustice against you, and you refuse to grow past it.
I am sorry that we cannot help you. I am sorry that the community failed you when you first arrived. I am sorry that the only thing that can keep you from harming the community further is the banhammer. But that is how it is. This isn't how it had to be, but it is how it has to be now. -
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I am sorry that there is a disconnect between my taking-in of the opinions of others, and showing the respect. I do care, for what it's worth. That's probably why I'm so bothered by this.
I am confused at how I wasn't wronged and I wronged others. Is it intention, because I hadn't meant harm.
I am sorry for lying. I am sorry for breaking an unjust sentence.
I have apologized before for being brusque with Neshome.
I apologize for how it seems I'm using autism as a shield. I take criticism and do my best to follow it even when I make new mistakes.
I am listening. I am sorry that it doesn't come through.
I am making an effort to improve myself. I am growing past the injustice even as we speak. I apologize for how it appears.
I disagree that the community would be harmed by letting me stay. I am forgiving everyone. It would be worse to discard a person because of mistakes. -
A small question. by
on 2017-05-26 11:14:00 UTC
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Why do you call your ban from when you were posting as zdimensia unjust?
I just want to hear exactly why it was unjust from your point of view. I don't want to hear "zdimensia is this, but Bramandin is that". I just want to hear a truthful answer to my question. If you don't feel comfortable answering this on the board then you can email it to me, my email is clickable.
Novastorme -
A small answer. by
on 2017-05-26 18:55:00 UTC
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The first half of this message... http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=199610;article=308647;title=PPC%20Posting%20Board
There was a lot of assuming that things were in bad faith, and not enough asking me what I meant.
IIRC, I was hesitant to apologize at that point because I was doing it wrong, and it appeared to me that every time, people were using the apology as an excuse to attack me.
The direct request I ignored, as I explained earlier, I perceived as flame-bait, and my response would not have been kind.
If anyone had really asked me and then paid attention, they would have seen that my "racism" was a reaction to getting scowled at on the street. Feeling guilty about it doesn't seem like the type of racism you need to protect yourselves from.
I didn't even know that's why I was banned. I thought I was banned for doing what people told me to do.
She told me in person on the day I told her who I was. Before that, I was thinking that I had gotten banned because of my autism, which I hadn't known about until well after June 2015.
IIRC, I was hesitant to apologize at that point because I was doing it wrong, and it appeared to me that every time, people were using the apology as an excuse to attack me.
http://technodann.github.io/PPC-board-2.0/archive/2014/08b.html#post-137537
I had learned that I was doing it wrong, and decided that I needed to do it right.
Another boarder and I spent all day on that apology. He told me how to make a right apology, looked at what I was saying, and told me to rephrase certain lines.
http://technodann.github.io/PPC-board-2.0/archive/2014/08b.html#post-98340
I had offered to leave, which they took as a sign that it wouldn't be punishment. What would have been a couple of months had I not tried to cooperate turned into a year because they mis-understood my intentions.
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on 2017-05-28 17:57:00 UTC
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I feel that "breaking the constitution" was just an excuse to get rid of me, and that I wasn't truly banned for racism.
I feel that I was banned because you believed that I was a troll, despite me directly saying that I wasn't.
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The truth is that you just called me a liar. by
on 2017-05-28 19:54:00 UTC
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I don't appreciate that in the slightest. Take it back.
hS -
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It was you plural, as in the board at the time. I have always believed that Huinesoron as an individual thought it was for racism, though I wasn't clear on what everyone else thought.
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Me and multiple other people. by
on 2017-05-28 20:19:00 UTC
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This is the post where I called for discussion on your banning. I was very clear why I was doing so.
You may read in the first link in that post - this link precisely what everyone else thought, too. Follow the chain of answers down.
We were not lying. What you saw on the Board, and can still see on the Altchives, is exactly what people meant.
hS -
Hmmmm. by
on 2017-05-28 20:34:00 UTC
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I retract the implication that you were deliberately lying.
Still, "this link" does have confusing hints that it was only part of the problem, and not taken in isolation.
http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=199610;article=308977;title=PPC%20Posting%20Board
Seems to discuss stretching the constitution to get rid of someone.
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An apology is customary for calling someone a liar. (nm) by
on 2017-05-28 20:40:00 UTC
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I apologize. by
on 2017-05-28 20:52:00 UTC
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I did not mean to be so indiscreet about my doubts. I should not have had those doubts to begin with. I did not mean to imply that you were telling deliberate falsehoods.
I will work on trusting you at your word. But I will still ask when I misunderstand, and work on more delicate language.
All I wanted was assurances that my fears were not true, and you have generously given that.
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I'd say the breaking made it permanent. Boot the sock. (nm) by
on 2017-05-23 18:50:00 UTC
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... Okay, that was unfair and unproductive. I apologise. by
on 2017-05-23 19:09:00 UTC
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The point I wished to express was this:
I would say that there is a strong argument to be made that zdimensia/Bramandin is in violation of her ban. Like hS said, she was banned indefinitely after breaking the terms of her initial ban. That's what happens. That's what's supposed to happen. If you agree to T&Cs and don't abide by them, you have to accept the consequences.
I also agree with doctorlit; the PPC can help as a support network, but it can't be a therapist. This person needs help, quite seriously, and we're not equipped to give it in a fit and proper manner. It's simply not fair on us to have to act as translators for people's mental issues, and I say that as someone who (as I believe I've told you before) suffers from a litany of them myself. I find them extremely difficult to deal with: my depression is like being chained to a flat, grey rock, slowly turning through the depths of space; my anger is like a red-hot cannonball sitting in the pit of my stomach, boiling the blood around it; the two combine in exciting and sometimes explosive ways.
I'm getting better.
You can, and you should, and you should because you can. -
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Where in the TOS does it say that I have to put up with being treated unfairly and keeping quiet about it?
"Anger cries Under American Skies." Another Tom Paxton one. Very NSFW.
I don't think that I'm asking you to bend over backwards, more like reasonable accommodation.
The constitution already says that if you don't know what someone means, or think it's an insult, you should ask them.
Dealing with me, just be aware that I'm autistic and be plain about what you expect from me. -
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When we are plain about what we expect from you, particularly with regard to your conduct, we get called every name under the sun and accused of being bullies.
Yeah, sorry, I remain utterly unconvinced of your victimhood. -
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I do have tone problems, but I'm unaware about any name calling. And I have never done anything with malice.
I might have quoted someone else saying bullies, or talked about my high school bullies, but when did I call you bullies? Was it outside of this thread?
I admit to telling you that I felt harrassed. Other than that, I have never reacted in anger.
If you point it out to me, I'll try to correct it. -
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Are you referring to the past year,
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Both, because you have not changed. (nm) by
on 2017-05-24 19:43:00 UTC
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Re: And yet... by
on 2017-05-24 15:11:00 UTC
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Are you referring to zdimensia, or Bramandin?
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zdimensia and Bramandin are the same person. (nm) by
on 2017-05-24 15:19:00 UTC
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Spirit of the ban by
on 2017-05-23 18:09:00 UTC
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Keep in mind that zdimensia the malicious troll is a myth. Your interpretation of what I was thinking does not do me justice. Instead, you had a confused retard that was feeling attacked at every turn, and either hesitating or not understanding what to do.
Where you pointed out a direct request, I thought that Neshemeh was flame-baiting me. I would have responded somewhere along the lines of "I have said two times already what I was planning to do. That you're asking proves that you are incapable of listening."
What was the spirit of the ban? If it was for self-reflection, that was accomplished.
If it was to punish, it accomplished that. Again, you were punishing a myth.
If it was to turn me into an angry and uncontrollable monster. If it was to make me vulnerable enough that one final push would bully me into killing myself. Yeah, it needed another two months.
Playing the tape forward, if I hadn't tried to contact you when I did... I would have come back in the fall, accused you of being abusive, if not banned then, I would have insisted I had permission.
Or perhaps I would have wised up and come back as a new person like Bramandin.
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Sadly, I have to disagree. by
on 2017-05-23 19:15:00 UTC
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The spirit of the ban may have been self-reflection, but that isn't quite the attitude I've seen. Sure, there's been plenty of reviewing of your action, and the actions of others, but as you've shown in this thread, you haven't learned from what happened. The fact that the temporary ban had to be changed to a permanent one, which you still did everything in your power to get around, proves that things have not changed.
The fact that every other post in this thread from you contains accusations at other members of the board is not reassuring in the slightest.
Maybe I'm wrong about this. Maybe others have a different view of it than I do, but from what I've seen, I don't think anything has really changed. -
Add one more, unfortunately. by
on 2017-05-23 22:01:00 UTC
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I was witness to what happened during Bram's first attempt at Permission, while it was happening in real-time and certainly not after the fact. Granted, I did mess up big-time by yelling at her, but looking back at the thread I can say that she wasn't a victim necessarily. I appreciate that her mental health concerns are being discussed in a civil, tactful fashion, but constantly arguing back when faced with concrit, or ignoring it as has been done with the missions they've published, is still not a good thing to do.
I've had PM correspondence with this person before, and the response I got to my apology for lashing out at them was that she tried to shift the blame to the rest of the community. She hasn't once apologized to me for the things she's done wrong, and has instead tried to justify herself for their actions, which is something that my work supervisors have advised against doing because it makes me look like I can't take criticism. I don't speak with her often through PM, and I can't remember the last time I've done so, but I just don't want to have to willingly put myself in a situation where I may end up snapping and causing another ruckus, because Arceus knows I've been through enough of those. :/
As it stands, I wish to vouch for a final chance to give the olive branch to Bram, a last call for her to either make an honest effort to better herself as a person or, as has been stated multiple times in this thread, part ways with us without another ugly incident, which is more likely given the state of things. I know I called for her to be temporarily banned straight away that time, but if that were the case then I'd have just as easily been given the boot as well for my own offense back then, and in light of this recent info I don't know if another temporary ban would be successful. Whatever the case, I hope she gets the help she needs with her mental issues, because that'd likely be more productive than arguing on the Internet with the odds so badly stacked against her... -
I'm confused. by
on 2017-05-24 00:47:00 UTC
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I'm completely unaware of what I did that needs apologies for. Perhaps it is a case of someone saying "they did nothing wrong" and I believed them?
I don't remember having a conversation with you over PM.
Perhaps the "arguing back" you're seeing is me looking for more information, or making sure I understood? Someone said "go back to these and acknowledge the concrit" and it looks to me like I did. Maybe I didn't say enough?
Despite me yelling "I said I'll try harder next time" I recognize that they were trying to help.
I think that lately, I have improved.
Perhaps Skarmory could email me some really hard advice. IIRC, you have a diagnoses. -
I need to re-read this later. by
on 2017-05-23 22:21:00 UTC
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Skarmory, I can't quite remember exactly what went on between you and Bram. Other than going off on me for being self-diagnosed, and I should re-read what you actually said and what I actually said.
I invite you to talk to me and be vulgar. We may fight and hurt each other's feelings, but I won't take it personally if you won't. -
Enlighten me, then. by
on 2017-05-23 20:03:00 UTC
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What I'm seeing is that I should bow down to those who would oppress me. That I should not hold a grudge for you grinding me down needlessly.
I was reading a bit about "submissive space" in BDSM. I don't get it, except that I should find peace and power in being controlled and beaten?
Look up Tom Paxton, We Didn't Know. It is NSFW, especially if you find that one video. The pictures of people playing guitar are slightly safer, but bad language.
I still don't feel how much self-reflection makes your mistakes my fault.
Maybe I shouldn't have lashed out, but know that I had little recourse, I felt. -
I'm not saying you have to just submit. by
on 2017-05-23 21:17:00 UTC
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But if you are viewing, and to bring up two of your main points, the banning and the Permission process as oppressive, then there is still an issue.
Events reached a point where a ban was needed. When the vast majority of people participating in a discussion have a serious enough problem with the discussion that they're asking someone to leave, that's not oppression. That is a sign that a large portion of the community has an issue with what you are saying or doing, and would like you to stop because the area is for them to enjoy as much as it is yours. To put it bluntly, while you enjoying the community is important, so is everyone else enjoying it, and if one person is making it difficult for a larger group of others, then that one has the problem, not the group at large.
As for permission, you mentioned that you had issues with the permission prompts and your characters, but didn't comment for help. When people pointed out difficulties, you said it would have been better to have lied about what characters you were going to use, as long as you could use the ones you wanted. This is not the fault of the community.
That in all of these cases, you rest the blame either on others or on the community as a whole is why I don't think you've really learned. I understand that there are issues you have to overcome, bus as Scape said in the previous discussion, you can't use your own condition as a crutch.
I'm sorry if this feels like an attack, but this is truly how the situation is coming across to me. The reference to BDSM was entirely unneeded and insulting, depending on where you fall on the subject. -
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I did comment for help. I'm just pointing out the two times out of three that I could have done something more. I said more later, mostly when explaining why I was writing without permission.
That's mostly the myth of zdimensia. Something was said to her, she responded, if there was any reply at all it was TLDR she must be trolling.
There was one more thing that never occurred to me, other than lying. I could have gone "Screw what little feedback I got from the PG, I'm going to ignore it and do what I want."
I'm not arguing that I needed to step back. I'm arguing that I volunteered to step back and they felt I needed to be punished for that.
Sorry for mentioning BSDM. I draw parallels to try and understand the world. Are the song references bad, as well?
I still don't understand how I am to blame for the actions of other people. While there were things that I could do, they could have done more.
I'm rising to my condition, which unfortunately means that I must go against what I think is proper and just be direct, even if that isn't proper either. -
On racism by
on 2017-05-23 17:04:00 UTC
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I was told very firmly not to talk about it from a moment on, so I wasn't even allowed to apologize or explain myself.
I'm not a racist. Well, there is unintentional othering, but no moral judgments about who is better or that one group should be held to different standards.
I had some confirmation bias about those who scowled. It's since been broken. I haven't had the courage to ask a scowler why they're doing it, and have stopped looking at people. If I wasn't all but forced to live here, I wouldn't.
I did once explain that I thought I had a red R floating over my head. The actions of others don't make me anything.
I'm sorry for connecting the feelings of shame that I wasn't being listened to here for the feelings of shame that I was being scowled at. -
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I have a feeling the Nazi thing is a misinterpretation of an incomplete thought. I think that so much is focused on Nazis automatically being evil that we don't focus on what's under the surface.
I do admit that I don't have as great of an understanding of racism as I should after all this time. I did reflect on it, and I'm not done. -
Further context. by
on 2017-05-23 15:43:00 UTC
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First, my confession: I have known that Bramandin is zdimensia since approximately September of last year. I'm sorry if anyone feels that this was a betrayal of trust, or if my silence otherwise caused anyone any harm. I didn't say anything about it because I was told in confidence, and because Bramandin had already been around for about half a year at that point; since she'd been doing fairly well, I didn't believe that spilling the beans so long after the fact would be worth all the drama it would entail. Since the secret is out, I am no longer bound by those concerns, so I will share what I know. I have told Bramandin/zdimensia I would do this; it should come as no surprise to her.
I have a record of the e-mail correspondence I've had with her. It's in a Gdoc. I've done my best to preserve the original formatting, and I have deliberately changed only a) places where I accidentally switched from my "Internet" e-mail address to my "real life" e-mail address, and b) places where Bramandin reveals private, personal information that she has not yet mentioned on the Board. Since she has now shared her diagnosis and the fact that she went to the hospital around the time of her ban, that information does appear. The bits I've removed are clearly marked as redacted.
Here is the document.
I leave it to the PPC community to evaluate what they find there for themselves.
Due to my involvement, I will not participate in any formal vote on what is to be done now. However, I will say that at this point in time, I agree completely with doctorlit: I do not think we have the resources to give Bramandin the kind of assistance she needs to participate fully, happily, and safely in this community. I cannot myself be a full-time mediator and translator for her, and I don't know anyone else who can, either. I believe it would be best for her if she gave us up and found another way to express herself through writing.
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Re: Further context. by
on 2017-05-23 17:24:00 UTC
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Neshome cannot be my mediator. I blamed her carelessness for my downfall. I forgive you.
For what it's worth, I apologize again for being so forceful in email. Someone else should have been brought in on the secret.
I would like to bury the hatchet. After all, we have fandoms in common. -
Okay, I finally have time to respond to this. by
on 2017-05-25 15:59:00 UTC
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I accept your apology for being forceful in your latest e-mails.
However, I can't bury the hatchet while you continue to insist that my treatment of you in 2014 was abuse. I understand that you didn't like it, and that it upset you very much, but that does not ipso facto mean that my behavior was unjustified or inappropriate to the situation. A parent insisting that their teenager do their homework completely and correctly before going out to party is not abusive, even if the kid yells and screams about it until their face turns blue. In the same way, me (and everyone else) insisting that you follow the Permission process completely and correctly before doing whatever you want with our universe was not abuse, no matter how upset you got over it.
Maybe I could have expressed my objections to your requests better. All right. I apologize for my ignorance, and I am sorry for your distress. It was never my intent to give you pain. However, saying that I abused you is insulting, offensive, hurtful, and false. If you want me to bury the hatchet, you're going to have to change your mind about that and take it back. You've said you want to be friends, but a few shared fandoms alone isn't enough of a foundation for friendship. Trust and respect have to exist on both sides, and right now, that is not possible.
One more thing. I want to talk about the word "like," since that seems to have been a serious bone of contention for you. "Like" is a real workhorse of a word. It does a lot of different jobs in this language. It's a preposition, an adjective, a noun, a verb, and an interjection. It's got at least 40 definitions, according to Dictionary.com.
I was using it in the second form, third definition, "to prefer." You did not prefer any of the prompts. You did not find any of them suitable for your purposes. You did not wish to use any of them. Right? Therefore, you did not like them. It is a completely normal and expected use of the word to which no reasonable person should have any objection. It's you who keeps insisting it carries emotional weight. Sure, it can, but it doesn't have to.
I used a simple, common word in a way that most people understand perfectly well. The fact that you have a problem with it reflects on you, not on me. Please adjust your perspective accordingly.
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Clarification. by
on 2017-05-25 22:31:00 UTC
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However, I can't bury the hatchet while you continue to insist that my treatment of you in 2014 was abuse. I understand that you didn't like it, and that it upset you very much, but that does not ipso facto mean that my behavior was unjustified or inappropriate to the situation. A parent insisting that their teenager do their homework completely and correctly before going out to party is not abusive, even if the kid yells and screams about it until their face turns blue. In the same way, me (and everyone else) insisting that you follow the Permission process completely and correctly before doing whatever you want with our universe was not abuse, no matter how upset you got over it.
I'm not continuing to insist it was abuse. I acknowledge that it was a mistake. I was stating what happened without connotation.
It's like thinking the kid is just yelling because he's being defiant when he's really saying "I can't read the instructions." The parent doesn't realize that they spilled paint all over the instruction sheet.
I accept that you did it in ignorance. I apologize for saying it was abuse.
You did not prefer any of the prompts. You did not find any of them suitable for your purposes. You did not wish to use any of them. Right?
I did prefer the prompt that I used for Kim. It practically leapt off the page at me and it was perfect.
I did not find my characters suitable for the purpose of the prompts.
There are some prompts that look like traps. "The agents go a long time without getting missions." I was under the impression that most of the time, the agents get barely enough down-time to keep their sanity.
I never didn't want to go through the permission process. I just couldn't do the extra thing you asked of me. -
can I have an invite to the discord chat? (nm) by
on 2017-05-22 19:36:00 UTC
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First, I think you should explain what is going on. (nm) by
on 2017-05-22 20:28:00 UTC
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I'm revealing my identity. by
on 2017-05-22 21:14:00 UTC
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It's not a secret anymore. You can talk about it.
http://technodann.github.io/PPC-board-2.0/archive/
Keep in mind that I'm autistic and can't do tone. Pay attention to what I am trying to say, not how I am saying it.
http://technodann.github.io/PPC-board-2.0/archive/2015/06b.html#post-122507
I have always felt like I wasn't listened to. There is so much to go through that it will take time. I can't do this quickly.
I feel like no amount of self-reflection will make your mistakes my fault. I feel like I can't even imply that boarders make mistakes without being attacked.
I have so much more to say. -
and more by
on 2017-05-22 21:40:00 UTC
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I that post from June 2015, I can't focus to read it right now,
but I remember being called delusional, troll, unhealthy, arrogant,
Someone questioned whether I had a point, if people were villainising me. It didn't matter because the problem was gone and every person involved was happy about it.
I wasn't even aware then that I was autistic. I thought my weirdness was nurture,
but you ascribed malice where there was none. ALL THE TIME.
I think perhaps that I need a mediator and translator. It's been noticed that I communicate better off of the board. -
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I went to the hospital that day. I scared my husband and he was released from work to come get me. I was talking about taking his gun and shooting myself.
For years, I've been shouting at the walls, "Why won't you say that you're not proud of that?" -
Please confirm the IP you want unblocked. (nm) by
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testing by
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testing
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Coming back, how are things? by
on 2017-05-24 01:33:00 UTC
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So, several years ago, I was here. (Except under a different name, that I've long since forgotten but that's another story.) So I'm TVTropes trawling, spot the PPC, and decide to pop back in to check.
Is everything still the same (relatively speaking)? Agents still underpaid and overworked? An HR system run like Nelson's Navy (on Saturday we're willing if you'll take the Flower's Shilling, to make an Agent of any one of you)? Getting leave a combination of threatening your boss and acquiring new Agents? -
Welcome (back)! by
on 2017-05-25 02:18:00 UTC
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*gives peanut butter cookies*
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Leave, you say? What spoor of madness is this? (nm) by
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The working conditions of the Agents? by
on 2017-05-24 01:50:00 UTC
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Still pretty much the same mate! Otherwise... well, you can see down there by yourself...
Anyway welcome back Ancient One!
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Potential short-term inactivity. by
on 2017-05-24 14:37:00 UTC
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My laptop is literally coming apart at the seams. As happens with reasonably old laptop, the screen hinge is coming apart and taking the entire screen case with it. I'm not technical enough to fix it and my usual repairs place (which was the holy trinity of fast, cheap, and good) has now somehow turned into a comic book shop. This is not conducive to a stable and unpanicked Scapegrace.
I... can't afford a new one. I just can't. And that means either swiping Mel's tablet or using mygarbage oblong carrotWindows Phone. Yeah, I'm one of the six people still using those. We have a support group every Wednesday.
The upshot of all this is that I may be inactive for a few weeks, maybe more. I mean, I might post sporadically, but nothing too long.
See you all later. x -
Crisis semi-averted for now... by
on 2017-05-25 22:58:00 UTC
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My computer is literally being held together with a clothes peg right now. It is blue and quite large, and rather handsome in a utilitarian sort of way. This is only a temporary solution, however, so I may still vanish at some inopportune moment. Here's hoping it's not for a while yet.
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Take care! *offers hugs* (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 01:07:00 UTC
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Can I join the support group? by
on 2017-05-24 22:43:00 UTC
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I also use one of those phones! XD
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I have one of those from work! by
on 2017-05-25 10:01:00 UTC
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It's never given me any problems, probably because I never use it for anything. ^_^
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Hope you get it sorted (nm) by
on 2017-05-24 15:58:00 UTC
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Stay safe. (nm) by
on 2017-05-24 15:27:00 UTC
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How do they rise up, rise up, rise up? by
on 2017-05-25 09:53:00 UTC
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*dons lilac*
It's the Glorious 25th of May, and that means a momentous day in fandom: the anniversary of the People's Republic of Treacle Mine Road, the anniversary of the first release of Star Wars, and Towel Day.
Happy Geek Pride Day!
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They rise knees up, knees up, knees up. by
on 2017-05-25 19:13:00 UTC
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Alas, as usual, the lilacs are just about gone by now in this part of the world. They were glorious for a week or two, though. {= )
May the Force be with you, you hoopy froods.
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Huzzah! by
on 2017-05-25 13:49:00 UTC
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I have not got around to reading Discworld (despite many of my friends encouraging it!) but I've loved Hitchhiker's Guide since I was nine years old.
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They rise feet up, feet up, feet up! by
on 2017-05-25 09:58:00 UTC
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I'm working on a reread of Discworld at the moment; I'm currently in Witches Abroad, and loving every minute of it.
hS
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I'm throwing a party, and inviting Darth Vader. by
on 2017-05-25 12:11:00 UTC
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Alas, not really.
This is a game, probably a fairly quick one. There is a theme to the people I will allow at my party, and your job is to figure it out.
All you need to do is reply to this post (or my latest post in the thread), with the subject line "Can I invite X?", where X is the name of the person you want to invite. Throwing in a 'from [canon]' is useful, too, and please make it someone I can look up (ie, someone who has an article on a decent wiki somewhere).
I will either reply with 'Yes, you can!', or 'No, but you can invite' and someone else who does fit the theme. And then someone else replies with their next proposed guest.
If you think you know what the theme is, suggest a guest who meets it, and give your guess at the theme in your post. Be sure to stick it behind a spoiler block, such as this one:
Spoiler SPOILER spoiler spoilER SPOILer sPoIlEr SpOiLeR spOILer Spoilerman Does Whatever A Spoiler Can don't spoil my er How do you solve a problem like a spoiler? Spoi spoi spoi spoi spoiler SPAAAAAAAACE! Sorry about him. ~spoiler block
A name doesn't need to be accompanied by a theory - you can just suggest people to gather information. When a few people have gotten it right, I'll confirm it. :)
You can invite someone from any canon (though steer clear of real people). If there is potential for doubt about which version you're thinking of, go ahead and clarify.
So let's get this party going! Darth is feeling quite lonely right now...
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Heavy Weapons Guy is always ready to party. by
on 2017-05-25 18:42:00 UTC
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If he fits the theme, of course. If not, Lucio from Overwatch because somebody's gotta provide the music for this gig, right?
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Since it's nearly evening - the answer. by
on 2017-05-25 16:16:00 UTC
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Spoiler SPOILER spoiler spoilER SPOILer sPoIlEr SpOiLeR spOILer Spoilerman Does Whatever A Spoiler Can don't spoil my er How do you solve a problem like a spoiler? Spoi spoi spoi spoi spoiler SPAAAAAAAACE! Sorry about him. ~spoiler block
Yes, as several people have guessed, everyone who's invited has scars, most - but not all - on their faces. There are some borderline cases in there - is Picard scarred as a Borg? - but I did my best.
I am impressed both by how quickly the Board homed in on this - even those who didn't get it were clearly in the right ballpark (though Novastorme, I'm curious who you thought made just 'scarred' impossible; you kept trying to tack things onto it). I'm also impressed by how many people replied. I guess you are all still here after all... ;)
Also: I have never spent so long trying to find scarred characters I'd heard of. Yikes.
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Excellent, Miss Quill can come! by
on 2017-05-26 00:41:00 UTC
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In all seriousness, that was a very fun game (even if it concluded while I was asleep, haha).
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Would it be alright if I hosted one of my own? by
on 2017-05-25 17:46:00 UTC
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I'm afraid I'm a bit of a sucker for these sorts of games, and I'd like to try my hand at it.
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The above Anonymous message is from Tesla by
on 2017-05-25 17:47:00 UTC
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Who is forgetful, and forgot to put her name in.
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Yes, that's fine. :) by
on 2017-05-25 17:51:00 UTC
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Might be sensible to wait a few days, though - I don't know if people have the energy for another round yet. Or maybe they do!
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I, for one, do. by
on 2017-05-25 20:53:00 UTC
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I was actually thinking about starting another game, too, because they're so much fun.
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Thank you! by
on 2017-05-25 17:57:00 UTC
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Yes, I think it may be a good idea to wait a while so that the front page is no longer overcrowded.
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How does Morgoth work? by
on 2017-05-25 17:10:00 UTC
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I'm going to be horribly embarrassed by my awful memory when you tell me, I'm sure. ^_^; ... Unless, Silmarils? (Is that vague enough to not be spoilery? I dunno. Maybe it's okay at this point anyway.)
My guess was something like "transformative near-death experiences." Except then Gandalf would definitely fit.
We should totally invite Frodo, though. Sam, too, I think. Maybe all the hobbits?
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Morgoth by
on 2017-05-25 17:35:00 UTC
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The seven wounds left by Fingolfin?
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Both of these. by
on 2017-05-25 17:49:00 UTC
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Plus the attack by Thorondur when he retrieved Fingolfin's body.
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Dur. by
on 2017-05-25 18:59:00 UTC
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^ Is both how I feel about forgetting that stuff, and how you misspelled Thorondor's name, creating a very handsome winged mini-Balrog. ^_~
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... well played. by
on 2017-05-25 20:04:00 UTC
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('Thorondur' is a lovely Sindarin name meaning 'servant of eagles'. But it is not the name of the Lord of Eagles. I experience shame.)
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Oh, sweet. The entire Golden Trio's invited, then! (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 16:24:00 UTC
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Hurrah! by
on 2017-05-25 16:22:00 UTC
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Thank you for the game! It was very fun! :)
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:) You're welcome. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 16:24:00 UTC
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Hmm... by
on 2017-05-25 15:31:00 UTC
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Can I invite Vriska Serket? (Homestuck)
Or how about Father Alexander Anderson? (Hellsing , gore warning for searching images, and probably Wiki-diving too. If need be, just pretend I never asked.) -
Anderson yes, Serket... I can't tell. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:43:00 UTC
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Pretty sure she qualifies. by
on 2017-05-25 16:34:00 UTC
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If her eye went, there'd still be scars - the art style just isn't good at depicting them. Yes, she has a bionic eye now, but the operation to put it in would also leave scars.
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Can I invite Doctor Victor von Doom? by
on 2017-05-25 15:31:00 UTC
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I promise he won't kill Lord Vader... Again.
Also, can I invite Pietro Maximoff a.k.a. Quicksilver?
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In his current version, no (and no to Quicksilver). by
on 2017-05-25 15:37:00 UTC
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You can invite Kylo Ren from The Last Jedi, though.
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Shoot! I guess I'll have to invite Loki instead! (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 16:17:00 UTC
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"Grandfather! It's an honor to finally meet you!" (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:38:00 UTC
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I bet he asks him to sign the helmet. by
on 2017-05-25 15:40:00 UTC
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We all know Kylo is a geeky fanboy at heart.
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Vader just gives him a long, hard stare in return. by
on 2017-05-25 15:43:00 UTC
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He is very much Not Amused.
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Three Guesses: (sorry no names in the title) by
on 2017-05-25 15:07:00 UTC
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Polgara the Sorceress
Belgarion (also known as Garion but you'll have more success with Belgarion)
Princess Ce'Nedra
All three are from David Eddings' The Belgariad and The Mallorean serieses. Honstly I really feel like just listing all of the main cast but that would be cheating. -
No to all three. We might - might - allow Torak. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:30:00 UTC
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Well then. by
on 2017-05-25 16:23:00 UTC
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Eternally boiling eyes do have a purpose. Great conversation starters at parties like this one.
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Can I send an invitation for Magnus Bane? by
on 2017-05-25 15:03:00 UTC
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From The Mortal Instruments?
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I'm... not sure. I don't think so? by
on 2017-05-25 15:26:00 UTC
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I can tell you that we'll be inviting most Shadowhunters, though.
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Hmm... What about Remus Lupin? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:33:00 UTC
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Moony! We'd be delighted to have him. :D (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:44:00 UTC
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Bill Weasly? Oh! And— by
on 2017-05-25 15:46:00 UTC
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Mad-Eye Moody?
Albus Dumbledore? (He has a scar above his left knee that is a map of the London underground.)
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How about Agent Ix of the PPC? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:53:00 UTC
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And that's a yep. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:55:00 UTC
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How about Sally from The Nightmare Before Christmas? by
on 2017-05-25 16:01:00 UTC
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And also Fire Lord Zuko?
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Yeppers. ^_^ (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 16:11:00 UTC
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Does he? That's amazing. by
on 2017-05-25 15:51:00 UTC
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I bet it shows the Circle Line as a proper circle, not the horrifying Lasso Line they turned it into. >:( Still mad about that.
I can confirm all of these except Ron, mostly because I have no idea what you mean by 'brain attack'.
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Re: brain attack by
on 2017-05-25 15:54:00 UTC
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He got scars on his arms in OotP, when he summoned a brain from the Department of Mystery and it went all boa constrictor on him.
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... summoned a brain. Rowling, you're weird... (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:55:00 UTC
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They were floating in a tank. by
on 2017-05-25 16:00:00 UTC
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Come on, tell me that's not tempting enough as it is! :P
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Throwing in a guess for Doctor House. by
on 2017-05-25 15:00:00 UTC
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*crosses fingers because he woke up and saw the Board exploded with this game and has no idea what's going on*
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Apparently yes! by
on 2017-05-25 15:04:00 UTC
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This was very nearly a no, but I found the info I needed on the House wikia.
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In that case, what about... by
on 2017-05-25 15:45:00 UTC
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The Phantom?
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Yes and yes. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:52:00 UTC
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Another guess... by
on 2017-05-25 14:56:00 UTC
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Here comes the spoiler block:
Give me an S! Give me a P! Give me an O! Give me an I L P E R! What does it spell? SPOILER! Beware of the spoilers.
Another guess backing this up would be the Doctor (Doctor Who)
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((OT: TESLAAAAAA!!! <3)) (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:04:00 UTC
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Not the Doctor, but Jurassic World's T. rex can! (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:01:00 UTC
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After some more debate... by
on 2017-05-25 15:07:00 UTC
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Let's all sing the spoiler song as there are spoilers many of them down below oooh spoilers.
I'll guess that Scar could come, but not Simba?
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You are correct that Simba can't come, but his uncle can. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:32:00 UTC
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Another Invite Question by
on 2017-05-25 15:47:00 UTC
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These are Warriors characters (Author is Erin Hunter).
Would I be correct in guessing that Brokenstar or Tigerstar could come but Puddleshine couldn't? -
You would indeed. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:54:00 UTC
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That guess wasn't worded too well by
on 2017-05-25 15:25:00 UTC
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So this spoiler walks into a bar, and he says "I'd like some spoilers please" there are spoilers everywhere you gotta be careful 'bout them spoilers partner
Sorry. I meant to ask if the theme was that they all had/have scars? -
Perhaps Cinder Fall and Mercury Black from RWBY are invited (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:45:00 UTC
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Looks like it! Hope they have fun. ^_^ (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:48:00 UTC
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Is the theme... by
on 2017-05-25 14:12:00 UTC
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
That should do for a spoiler block. Anyway, characters who have had members of their family killed? Hrm... no... that would rule out Morgoth and the Joker. It comes up with a lot of them though. -
Then that would mean... by
on 2017-05-25 14:14:00 UTC
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Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler
Chat Noir would be in -
I think I have a guess... by
on 2017-05-25 14:12:00 UTC
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After some deliberating with a couple of friends, we think we may have come upon a solution to your riddle.
On that note...
Spoiler SPOILER spoiler spoilER SPOILer sPoIlEr SpOiLeR spOILer Spoilerman Does Whatever A Spoiler Can Spoiler Here Spoiler There Spoiler Spoiler Everywhere oh look what's that A SPOILER
Thou hath been forewarned of possible spoilers.
Another guess (a character who meets the theme guess) is Jyn Urso from Rouge One (Star Wars).
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Jyn Erso is not invited. But Tahiri Veila is. by
on 2017-05-25 14:19:00 UTC
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(In your face, Disneyverse! ^_~)
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Speaking of Star Wars, Is Luke Skywalker invited? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:22:00 UTC
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Technically, yes. by
on 2017-05-25 14:31:00 UTC
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I nearly put him in instead of Tahiri, but I'm not 100% sure he's still an acceptable guest in the new movies.
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Interesting. by
on 2017-05-25 15:14:00 UTC
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Check, check, is this spoilery thing working? *Taps microphone* A guy walks into a bar. Ouch. *Rim shot followed by crickets* Tough crowd. Have I done enough to avoid anyone seeing this if they want to avoid it? I'm gonna go with probably.
So, the quality that makes them a guest-worth-inviting is, potentially, transient? I knew it was a quality that could be acquired, but didn't know it might also be lost.
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Potentially yes. by
on 2017-05-25 15:31:00 UTC
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I mean, definitely yes in some settings, but magic can do a lot of stuff.
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Ooh that's a point. Can Anakin Skywalker come? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:23:00 UTC
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Anakin can from Revenge of the Sith. by
on 2017-05-25 14:30:00 UTC
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(Obviously he's already there, but there's enough leeway that I'll allow this.)
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He's already present. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:29:00 UTC
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Captain Jean Luc Picard wishes to join the party (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:10:00 UTC
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As a Borg (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:11:00 UTC
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Locutus of Borg is just about welcome. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:15:00 UTC
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The guest-list so far: by
on 2017-05-25 14:08:00 UTC
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Guests:
-Darth Vader
-Inigo Montoya
-Harry Potter
-Morgoth
-Harry Dresden
-Saren
-The Joker
-Batman
-Two Face
-Edward Elric
-Drax the Destroyer
-Nimitz
-John Watson
-Nightcrawler
Uninvited:
-Imhotep
-Haruhi Suzumiya
-Gandalf
-Chat Noir
-The Riddler
-Joker (Persona 5)
-Hamish Alexander
-Joan Watson
-Jean Grey
Bear in mind that my knowledge is not perfect, so if your theory works for everyone except one or two, it might still be right. :)
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How about Lance from Voltron (the newer one)? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:32:00 UTC
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I doubt it, but perhaps Shiro can! (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:34:00 UTC
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Oooh, correct on both counts. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:40:00 UTC
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In that case, what about Keith? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:39:00 UTC
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Nope. But the Colonel from Avatar can come. by
on 2017-05-25 14:47:00 UTC
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This is him.
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Speaking of stuff called Avatar, what of Toph Beifong? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:02:00 UTC
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Nnnno? But, um... uh... Victor Zsasz is invited. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:35:00 UTC
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Wait. How do you know? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:36:00 UTC
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Observe: by
on 2017-05-25 14:39:00 UTC
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Lance:
Vs. Shiro:
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Can I invite Jean Grey (X-men)? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:46:00 UTC
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No. But Nightcrawler (as of his last movie) can. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:58:00 UTC
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Can I invite Joan Watson? by
on 2017-05-25 13:45:00 UTC
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Joan being from Elementary, of course! :D
What an interesting game! (and what an interesting party too, it looks like. :P I'm not sure if I want to tag along or not) -
No on Joan, but John (from Sherlock) probably can. by
on 2017-05-25 13:50:00 UTC
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I confess that I've cribbed this game wholesale from my sibling, who got it from a book. In that version, it's objects you're taking on holiday, but I figured a party was more fun. ^_^
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Can I invite Hamish Alexander (Honorverse)? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:26:00 UTC
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I don't think so. But I think Nimitz can come, these days. by
on 2017-05-25 13:40:00 UTC
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(Same 'verse, and both of those 'think's may be significant.)
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Can I Invite Chat Noir? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:20:00 UTC
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Alas, no. But the Joker (Dark Knight movies) can come (nm by
on 2017-05-25 13:37:00 UTC
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Hm... So if the Joker can come, how about the Riddler? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:43:00 UTC
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Nope, but Batman definitely can. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:47:00 UTC
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How about Two Face? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:48:00 UTC
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The comic version can. (nm) by
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Can I Invite Edward Elric (Full Metal Alchemist) (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:56:00 UTC
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Apparently yes. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:59:00 UTC
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Well that ruins my guess for a theme then... :( (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:42:00 UTC
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What of Joker from Persona 5? (AKA The Protagonist) (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:41:00 UTC
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From what I can tell, no. But Drax the Destroyer can! (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:45:00 UTC
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...Okay... Can Drax The Destoryer come? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:54:00 UTC
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I don't think you are taking my party seriously. >:( by
on 2017-05-25 14:01:00 UTC
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You should. Have you seen the guest list? They're not going to take being taken un-seriously lightly.
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What is the mini for Guardians of the Galaxy? by
on 2017-05-25 14:01:00 UTC
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Or do we have a mini for Marvel Cinematic Universe in general?
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MCU has mini-Nick Furies! (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:00:00 UTC
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Can I Invite Chat Noir? (continued) by
on 2017-05-25 13:21:00 UTC
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Chat Noir being from the Miraculous Ladybug canon (sorry for not specifying this earlier).
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Where are they from sorry? by
on 2017-05-25 13:21:00 UTC
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Not that I'm hS and they may know. I just don't recognise the name.
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Chat Noir is from Miraculous Ladybug :) (nm) by
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Can I invite Gandalf? by
on 2017-05-25 13:06:00 UTC
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If I have to put a canon for this one I think you all deserve to be shot.
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Nope. But Morgoth can come. :D by
on 2017-05-25 13:10:00 UTC
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It's a very specialised party, obviously.
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So could Harry Dresden come? by
on 2017-05-25 13:19:00 UTC
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Where Harry Dresden is from The Dresden Files.
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Harry Dresden is... debatable, actually. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:34:00 UTC
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On balance, I think yes to Harry. (nm) by
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Okay then. What about Saren from Mass Effect. Can he come? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:45:00 UTC
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Hmm. This Wikia article suggests (but doesn't state) yes. by
on 2017-05-25 13:53:00 UTC
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This one here. I'm sort of having to infer.
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So could The Iron Bull (Dragon Age) come? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:21:00 UTC
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Definitely. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:30:00 UTC
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Can Serana (Skyrim: Dawnguard) come? by
on 2017-05-25 14:35:00 UTC
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I'm guessing not, but I don't know for certain.
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It doesn't look like it. But Gill from 'Finding Nemo' can! (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:39:00 UTC
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First up, can Ibram Gaunt (Warhammer 40k) come? by
on 2017-05-25 14:52:00 UTC
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And secondly can Abigail (Stardew Valley) come?
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Gaunt absolutely, Abigail nope. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:00:00 UTC
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In that case. Is GLaDOS welcome? by
on 2017-05-25 15:07:00 UTC
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warning warning spoiler alert spoiler alert. Also the department of redundancy department is on the phone and is calling and is saying they want us to report in and meet with them and discuss with them whether we should have really said everything twice at the start of this.
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Not GLaDOS, no. But... oh, let's have Bond villain Blofeld. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 15:39:00 UTC
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The Above Post Include a Guess at the Theme!!! by
on 2017-05-25 15:08:00 UTC
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Do not read if you don't want spoilers.
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I think I may know a theme that connects them all. by
on 2017-05-25 13:59:00 UTC
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I have no idea if this is right or not, or even if I am on the right track. However I believe that I know what it is that connects everyone who is currently invited to this party. That's enough words to remove any chance of spoiling it for others if it is the right guess. Right?
So I think the theme is that every person invited has a distinct physical characteristic. For example Darth Vader's suit, Harry Potter's lightning scar, Two Face's two faces... etc. -
Yep that one. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:55:00 UTC
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I guess the only acceptable thing is to invite God (Haruhi) by
on 2017-05-25 12:55:00 UTC
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...Thought I guess God himself is unavalible. Therefore, I invite Haruhi Suzumiya from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya to the Party.
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No on Haruhi. But Harry Potter can come! (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 13:03:00 UTC
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A possible connection. by
on 2017-05-25 12:36:00 UTC
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An ambitious man, a user of ancient magic born from a religion more ancient still, brought low by love and turned to darkness and vengeance...
Can I invite Imhotep, of The Mummy filmography? -
Imhotep: no. But you can ask Inigo Montoya (Princess Bride). by
on 2017-05-25 12:42:00 UTC
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(Names in the subject line if possible, please; it helps people skim the thread and join in. :) )
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If that's the case, what of Dread Pirate Roberts? (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:09:00 UTC
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As of the end of the movie, I suppose yes. (nm) by
on 2017-05-25 14:12:00 UTC
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Last day of school for me! How about you guys? by
on 2017-05-25 22:21:00 UTC
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*Noisemakers!*
I'm kind of sad and happy at the same time - summer is here, but I'll be moving on to a different level of school (not going to say what since it might hint at my age range), and I'm likely to occasionally miss my old school.
Well, on the bright side, I'm starting to learn HTML5, which probably means I'm going to switch from Scratch to Newgrounds pretty soon.
Any news you guys have from your lives that you'd like to share? I'd love to hear!
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Just got back from a short vacation. by
on 2017-05-26 15:11:00 UTC
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Literally. Yesterday. I was so tired by evening, but at least the flight (a long one, over ten hours) was a relatively nice one.
As for school, my classes ended more or less with March, and I wrote my exams not long after that. I've mainly been busy with applications since then.
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Congrats! *sounds airhorn* by
on 2017-05-26 00:50:00 UTC
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My year's going into a suspended timetable for the next two weeks while we have our midyear exams. It's going to be... grueling, to say the least.
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Ouch. That sounds painful. (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 15:05:00 UTC
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Huzzah! by
on 2017-05-25 22:50:00 UTC
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Tomorrow is my baby brother's last day as a junior. *sniffles* He's growing up so fast. He's looking forward to the summer—and next year, since he'll be going from all AP classes to just one.
As for myself... after listening to all my friends, both IRL and in the PPC, complain about college finals, I'm so very happy I don't have to deal with that stress. Instead, I get to run around at a Beatles music festival in the rain and thunder, holding a camera and hoping it doesn't get soaked. The weird thing is I'm actually looking forward to it even though I'm sure my feet will be extremely muddy by the time we're done. ^-^ -
Well, that's going to make for some interesting stories. by
on 2017-05-26 15:44:00 UTC
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"When I was your age, I went to a music festival in the middle of a thunderstorm! Etc..." The thought makes me chuckle. Are you in agreement with me that the Beatles music festival is probably going to be one of the more memorable days of your life? (I mean, the rain is probably going to cause crazy/funny stuff to happen, given that it makes things wet and slippery, and the thunder only adds to the chaos.)
In shorter words, have fun!
-Twistey -
Eh, maybe. by
on 2017-05-26 16:09:00 UTC
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I'm an intern-slash-pack mule at a video/photography studio, so the festival's going to be me shooting B-roll footage for a local news station. I'm mostly looking forward to my boss buying me dinner after work. :P
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Have fun at the festival! (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 16:37:00 UTC
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School? What's a school? by
on 2017-05-25 22:43:00 UTC
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Just joking, I had to take a sabatical semester. XD
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You have quite the sense of humor. XD by
on 2017-05-26 15:10:00 UTC
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*reminds self to quit procrastinating and read a mission*
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I'm not sure to feel flattered... or insulted... by
on 2017-05-26 18:22:00 UTC
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Meh... I'll take as a compliment!
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That's what it was meant as... (nm) by
on 2017-05-27 21:16:00 UTC
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IÂ’m Having a Club Meeting, and IÂ’m Bringing Long John Silver by
on 2017-05-26 00:00:00 UTC
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Hullo! If you were here earlier this fine morning, you will have seen Huinesoron’s guessing game! I enjoyed it so much that I asked for permission to host one, and he agreed! I was going to wait for a day, but I got too excited (insert sheepish grin here).
Le Rules of Play:
There’s a theme to the people I will allow into the club meeting, and your job is to figure it out! All you must do is reply to this thread with “Can I Invite [X]” (for example, can I invite Joker). Specifying what movie/comic book trilogy/series they are from is helpful, and please make it someone I can look up easily (you’re welcome to make a short description of your character if you like, it would be incredibly helpful to me)!
Once you have done that, I will reply with either a “Yes, they can come” or a “No, but you may bring” and name another character that fits the theme. Keep in mind it may not be from the same series/book/show/etc.
If you think that you have the answer, name a character you think fits the theme and tell me why (i.e. "Darth Vader fits the theme because he has scars" /OR/ "I’m guessing Darth Vader will fit the theme. Must all the allowed characters have scars to join in?" Remember, these are just examples.) Be sure to put this guess behind a spoiler block! Here is the example that Huinesoron used:
Spoiler SPOILER spoiler spoilER SPOILer sPoIlEr SpOiLeR spOILer Spoilerman Does Whatever A Spoiler Can don't spoil my er How do you solve a problem like a spoiler? Spoi spoi spoi spoi spoiler SPAAAAAAAACE! Sorry about him. ~spoiler block
Feel free to make it longer if you wish, just make sure that it’s fairly large!
Your character guess does not have to be accompanied by a theory. You can guess characters solely to gather information and clues on the theme.
When a few people have gotten the theme right, I will give the answer. :3
You may invite a character from any canon (avoid real people). If there may be doubt as to which canon your character comes from (i.e. LEGO Batman Joker and the Dark Knight Rises Joker) just be sure to clarify for me!
The Long John Silver mentioned in the title of this thread is from Treasure Planet, not Treasure Island. Just so you all know.
And with that, let the guessing begin! -
It's been a few hours, so here's the answer... by
on 2017-05-26 17:20:00 UTC
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Spoiler SPOILER spoiler spoilER SPOILer sPoIlEr SpOiLeR spOILer Spoilerman Does Whatever A Spoiler Can don't spoil my er How do you solve a problem like a spoiler? Spoi spoi spoi spoi spoiler SPAAAAAAAACE! Sorry about him. ~spoiler block here spoiler block there spoiler block spoiler block everywhere
People have guessed it right, and those of you who were still trying to figure it out were definitely on the right track!
The theme was hybrids (i.e. Hagrid who is half giant, Percy Jackson who is a demigod, Sendak who was part Galra part machine)!
You all did great, and it was fun to get to host this! Well done everyone! -
Huh, would not have guessed that. by
on 2017-05-28 15:03:00 UTC
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It crossed my mind, but I ruled it out because I was thinking "hybrid" in terms of mixed races or mixed parts of roughly equal portions. I'm not too sure how you're defining it to include the likes of Luke and G'Kar, but not Seamus, whose entire body is made of wood. O.o
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Yeah. by
on 2017-05-29 16:37:00 UTC
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Spoiler SPOILER spoiler spoilER SPOILer sPoIlEr SpOiLeR spOILer Spoilerman Does Whatever A Spoiler Can don't spoil my er How do you solve a problem like a spoiler? Spoi spoi spoi spoi spoiler SPAAAAAAAACE! Sorry about him. ~spoiler blockSpoiler SPOILER spoiler spoilER SPOILer sPoIlEr SpOiLeR spOILer Spoilerman Does Whatever A Spoiler Can don't spoil my er How do you solve a problem like a spoiler? Spoi spoi spoi spoi spoiler SPAAAAAAAACE! Sorry about him. ~spoiler block
I got "cybernetic beings" and then started focusing on hands, even after seeing someone mentioned hybrids.
I guess that most of the Plumber's kids from http://ben10.wikia.com/wiki/Ben_10:_Alien_Force could come, but Ben himself is a question because he presents as pure human despite having an alien grandmother. Gwen, his cousin, does take after her grandmother. -
Can Miss Cam come? :P (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 04:04:00 UTC
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Not sure. Where is she from? (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 15:38:00 UTC
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Oh, you sweet summer child. by
on 2017-05-26 15:44:00 UTC
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The Official Fanfiction Univeristy of Middle-earth. Welcome to Learning Through Pain. {= D
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Doesn't looks like Miss Cam could come, but Agent Ix can! (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 15:47:00 UTC
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The above Anonymous message is from Tesla (YET AGAIN) by
on 2017-05-26 15:48:00 UTC
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CURSE MY SCATTERBRAINED HEAD!
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The Club Member List so Far: by
on 2017-05-26 02:37:00 UTC
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Accepted:
Sendak (New Voltron)
Cyborg (Teen Titans)
Vriska Serket (Homestuck)
Edward Elric
Rainbow Dash (Alternate Timeline- War with Sombra)
Hagrid
Meta-Crisis Doctor (Doctor Who)
Magnus Bane (Shadowhunters)
Ken Kaneki (Tokyo Ghoul)
Lelouch (Code Geass)
Mister Silver (Treasure Planet)
Junkrat and Torbjörn (Overwatch)
Donald Pierce (Logan)
Gazelle (Kingsman)
Denied:
Rick Jones
Mary Poppins (movie version)
Yang Xiao Lang
Aradia Megido -
Can Luke Skywalker come? by
on 2017-05-26 14:30:00 UTC
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Specifically, post-Empire Strikes Back?
(I think I know what's going on here.)
~Neshomeh -
Yes! Luke can come! (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 15:36:00 UTC
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Oh boy! What about Wormtongue? by
on 2017-05-26 15:57:00 UTC
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A.K.A. Peter Pettigrew, post-Goblet of Fire.
How about Geordi La Forge from TNG?
Oh, and if Vriska can come, then G'Kar from Babylon 5 can, too, yes? (See here if you're unfamiliar, first paragraph of that section.)
Seamus from Family Guy should totally be allowed, I think.
Have I given it away yet? {= )
~Neshomeh -
Let's see then... by
on 2017-05-26 16:15:00 UTC
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I'm hesitant about Wormtail, but I think I'm going to say no. I think I'm going to say no to Geordi, I believe G'Kar can come though. As for Seamus, I'm going to go with no.
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Oh dang, I was super wrong, then. ^. ^; (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 16:20:00 UTC
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That's the beauty of this- you can keep guessing! (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 16:23:00 UTC
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*Wormtail. I knew something was bugging me. (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 15:57:00 UTC
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And this is why the internet exists. by
on 2017-05-26 16:05:00 UTC
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Oh goodness. XD (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 16:16:00 UTC
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*snerk* by
on 2017-05-26 16:09:00 UTC
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Battle of the sniveling cowards? Should be interesting... *grin*
~Neshomeh -
Nick Valentine from Fallout 4? (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 08:31:00 UTC
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I don't think Nick can, but Warwick (League of Legends) can! (nm by
on 2017-05-26 15:36:00 UTC
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Question about Hagrid. by
on 2017-05-26 03:32:00 UTC
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Spoiler SPOILER spoiler spoilER SPOILer sPoIlEr SpOiLeR spOILer Spoilerman Does Whatever A Spoiler Can don't spoil my er How do you solve a problem like a spoiler? Spoi spoi spoi spoi spoiler SPAAAAAAAACE! Sorry about him. ~spoiler blockSpoiler SPOILER spoiler spoilER SPOILer sPoIlEr SpOiLeR spOILer Spoilerman Does Whatever A Spoiler Can don't spoil my er How do you solve a problem like a spoiler? Spoi spoi spoi spoi spoiler SPAAAAAAAACE! Sorry about him. ~spoiler block
Did something happen to Hagrid's hand? -
I don't think so... by
on 2017-05-26 15:33:00 UTC
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But it's always a good idea to do some googling to be sure.
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Shoot that list is wrong by
on 2017-05-26 02:38:00 UTC
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Sorry! People who are on the denied list are:
Ken Kaneki
Lelouch
Rick Jones
Mary Poppins
Yang Xiao Lang
Aradia Medigo
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Can Rick Jones come? by
on 2017-05-26 02:15:00 UTC
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Spoiler SPOILER spoiler spoilER SPOILer sPoIlEr SpOiLeR spOILer Spoilerman Does Whatever A Spoiler Can don't spoil my er How do you solve a problem like a spoiler? Spoi spoi spoi spoi spoiler SPAAAAAAAACE! Sorry about him. ~spoiler blockSpoiler SPOILER spoiler spoilER SPOILer sPoIlEr SpOiLeR spOILer Spoilerman Does Whatever A Spoiler Can don't spoil my er How do you solve a problem like a spoiler? Spoi spoi spoi spoi spoiler SPAAAAAAAACE! Sorry about him. ~spoiler block
Relevant link. http://marvelanimated.wikia.com/wiki/Episode:Innocent_Blood
I think the clue is motorcycle ownership. -
I don't think Rick Jones can come... by
on 2017-05-26 02:27:00 UTC
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However, Shiro (New Voltron) can!
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Can Mary Poppins come? Movie version. (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 01:53:00 UTC
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Mary Poppins cannot, but Sendak (New Voltron) can! (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 02:01:00 UTC
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Can Cyborg from Teen Titans come? (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 01:14:00 UTC
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I do believe so! (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 01:17:00 UTC
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Oooh, I think I have a few previous guests who are ready... by
on 2017-05-26 00:31:00 UTC
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... to party again! Can I invite Vriska Serket (Homestuck) and Edward Elric (Fullmetal Alchemist / Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood)?
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I do believe they could come! by
on 2017-05-26 00:39:00 UTC
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Although, same thing with alternate timeline Rainbow Dash, I'd be a little more hesitant to let them in than with Silver or Junkrat.
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Alright... by
on 2017-05-26 01:17:00 UTC
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Let's see. Yang Xiao Long (RWBY)? How about Aradia Megido (Homestuck)?
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It doesn't look like Yang can, not sure about Aradia... by
on 2017-05-26 01:26:00 UTC
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However, Hagrid is welcome!
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Hm... by
on 2017-05-26 01:28:00 UTC
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Spoiler fandom to be addressed: Homestuck.
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Is that enough? I think that's enough.
Alright, so. Aradia was, for a time, a robot. She also happened to be dead at the time, except kind-of-sort-of not really, because there was another self of her that was alive while that self was busy being dead/a robot. Does this qualify her? -
In that case... by
on 2017-05-26 01:33:00 UTC
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Aradia cannot come, but Meta-Crisis Doctor (Doctor Who) could come!
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Now that's interesting... by
on 2017-05-26 01:41:00 UTC
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In that case, pardon as I steal from Matt Cipher and ask, could Magnus Bane (The Mortal Instruments/The Shadowhunter Chronicles) come? How about... mmm... Ken Kaneki (Tokyo Ghoul, potential gore warning)? Or... let's see... Lelouch vi Britannia (Code Geass)? Or Iximaz's Agent Charlotte?
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It would appear that... by
on 2017-05-26 01:48:00 UTC
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Magnus Bane could come, I'm on the fence about Ken Kaneki, but I think I'm going to say no, I don't think Lelouche could come, and you'd need to tell me more about Agent Charlotte.
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On Charlotte, and also, a theory: by
on 2017-05-26 02:50:00 UTC
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Charlotte is a Meyerpire. However, I don't think she'd end up being accepted.
My theory is that you are inviting people who are 'hybrids', with a 'robot-X' being an accepted variant. With that in mind, I put forth Percy Jackson. -
I do believe Percy Jackson is acceptable! (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 03:01:00 UTC
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Also... by
on 2017-05-26 03:12:00 UTC
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You were right when you said Charlotte would not be accepted.
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Is that a mini-Morph? I think it is. by
on 2017-05-26 00:09:00 UTC
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He was never called Long John Silver in Treasure Planet, just Mister Silver. ;)
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Yes, you may bring them both! by
on 2017-05-26 00:22:00 UTC
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The mini was a mistake on my part, I'm afraid. I thought I'd googled it thoroughly (it's been a while since I watched the movie), but apparently not so. Better keep an eye out for that mini-Morph...
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Another guess: by
on 2017-05-26 00:25:00 UTC
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Alternate-timeline Rainbow Dash?
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Possible. Which timeline are we talking about? (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 00:28:00 UTC
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See the picture I linked. (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 00:29:00 UTC
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She could likely come by
on 2017-05-26 00:35:00 UTC
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Although I'd be more hesitant to let her in than the others who have been mentioned so far.
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Theory floating: by
on 2017-05-26 00:53:00 UTC
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Spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers spoilers
Characters with robotic limbs?
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They both could come, but... by
on 2017-05-26 01:00:00 UTC
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MANY A SPOILER LURKS IN THIS BOX. SPOILER HERE SPOILER THERE SPOILER SPOILER EVERYWHERE AWE LOOK IT'S A LITTLE SPOILER! MA, CAN I KEEP IT? OH GIVE ME A HOME, WHERE THE SPOILERS DO ROAM...
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The above Anonymous message is from Tesla by
on 2017-05-26 01:00:00 UTC
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Who, yet again, forgot to put her name in.
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hello world by
on 2017-05-26 00:49:00 UTC
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Hey guys. I exist.
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Welcome to the madhouse! by
on 2017-05-26 17:53:00 UTC
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Here's a bucket of movie-theater popcorn and a pair of Specter Boots I nicked from Terraria! The boots increase your running speed and allow limited flight; the popcorn is for eating while you read the important stuff on the top of the page, or for throwing at Sues when they annoy you. Enjoy!
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Greetings! by
on 2017-05-26 16:12:00 UTC
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Just remember to chuck your sanity in that bin by the door (the virtual internet one). Have this Generic Something as your newbie gift. I have no idea what it does.
Hope you have fun here in the PPC! :) -
Welcome aBoard! by
on 2017-05-26 15:46:00 UTC
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Have one of my own shed feathers and a complimentary kit of Spikes!
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Eeeeeyyyyyyyyy! by
on 2017-05-26 15:30:00 UTC
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Oh look! Another newbie! (Or, well, I still kinda feel like a lightly-used-bie at the most. Joined on April 4th.)
I'm Twistey, an about-to-become Newgrounds game dev who has a crud ton of fandom OCs. I found the PPC through the wiki and got hooked on the idea because of how original it is. I write both original stuff and (more recently) fanfic, and I also like reviewing/beta-ing/MSTing work as well.
So, enough about me, can you tell me some stuff about yourself? How'd you find us? What made you decide to join? What are your interests, fandoms, hobbies, etc? I'd love to know :D
-Twistey -
Hello newbie by
on 2017-05-26 09:06:00 UTC
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Have a pile of pens
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Hello there. by
on 2017-05-26 02:02:00 UTC
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Have a sparkly urple ink pen. Your agents aren't allowed to use it to fill out mission reports.
What is your favorite spinoff? I'm a fan of Trojie and Paddlebrains. -
Pssst. by
on 2017-05-27 00:45:00 UTC
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Read the drama down-thread and learn from it.
The drama is not normal.
Most boarders seem to avoid conflict.
Do not be too excited. Do not ask too many questions.
((I, for one, miss when the board had discussions on what was canonical and what wasn't.)) -
Hello and welcome aBoard! by
on 2017-05-26 01:43:00 UTC
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Here have this replica of the One Ring that allows you to speak with cats, as your newbie gift!
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*Papyrus voice* SANS!!! (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 16:17:00 UTC
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Or is this common lingo? by
on 2017-05-26 16:18:00 UTC
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Because I saw SkarmorySilver using it too...
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It is. (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 17:46:00 UTC
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Good to know. But still, crazy pun. (nm) by
on 2017-05-27 21:15:00 UTC
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We are a bunch of punny people. (nm) by
on 2017-05-27 23:54:00 UTC
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Another cat! Hello! by
on 2017-05-26 01:34:00 UTC
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Please accept this gift of a lovingly handcrafted urple scalemate, and welcome to the madhouse! :D It's a pleasure to have you here! Do you have any other fandoms apart from that created by our lord and savior, Andrew Hussie?
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Well... by
on 2017-05-26 01:40:00 UTC
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I like Minecraft and most mods related to it, and I also enjoy the Warriors books.
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Well then... by
on 2017-05-26 01:24:00 UTC
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Hi! I'm Laggycat, also known as Laggykitten some other places. I'm an avid fan of MS Paint Adventures in general, I have read the Original Series, and I really like felines in general.
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Hey there, newbie! by
on 2017-05-26 01:30:00 UTC
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For your newbie gift, have this free Royal Ice Cream Container! It contains whatever kind of ice cream you want it to, never runs out, and in a pinch, doubles as a nuclear blast shelter.
Do I see another Homestuck fan? I admit, I haven't gone through all of MSPA, but I have Homestucked, and I enjoy it muchly. -
Newbie! *glomp* *poke* by
on 2017-05-26 01:06:00 UTC
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Hello, and welcome aBoard! For your newbie gift, take this plate of freshly-made SPaGhetti!
If you haven't yet read them, may I point you towards the Original Series and the Constitution? I'm guessing you're already familiar with them but it can't hurt to be sure.
And don't mind the drama going on down-Board; that's... really atypical for us, I promise. Hope you like it here regardless. :) -
I was just reading your spin-off works! by
on 2017-05-26 01:36:00 UTC
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Specifically, Rina Dives/The Aviator.
Didn't you discover that a mini of Halloween is a Jack-o-lantern with the misspelled name carved into it? -
*blushes* by
on 2017-05-26 01:42:00 UTC
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I hope you're enjoying them so far!
And sorry, but that wasn't me and I don't know who did come up with the idea. I've actually contributed very little original stuff to the PPC. ^^; -
Uh... by
on 2017-05-26 01:55:00 UTC
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Alright then, so:
Halloween is not a continuum, it has no OFU, and we don't know who came up with the idea. So if I want to add it to the "Minis" wiki page, what should I do? -
Salutations! by
on 2017-05-26 00:51:00 UTC
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Are you a newbie here to the PPC Board? :)
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Yes indeed! by
on 2017-05-26 00:58:00 UTC
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I've been reading stuff by your community for years.
I've always wanted to join but never had the guts, as my writing skills are... strange, to say the least. -
Well then, welcome! by
on 2017-05-26 01:05:00 UTC
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It'd be great if you could introduce yourself (i.e. What fandoms you're in, what you'd like to be called, whether you've read the Original Series, etc.)! My name is Tesla (as you could probably see). For your newbie gift, I give you a laptop. Stored inside it somewhere is a gif of a cat with a looping loading circle on it (it's a custom of mine to try and put a pun in my newbie gift, see if you can find it).
I do hope you enjoy your stay!
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Friday Forum: A Long Time Ago... by
on 2017-05-26 10:46:00 UTC
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Yep, we're back again. This is the thread for you - whether you be the newest member (that'd be laggycat) or the oldest oldbie (hi, Kaitlyn!) to talk about the week we've just had. Discuss anything and everything, and remember to have fun!
Please remember that, when it comes to the state of the world, not everyone will agree with you. You're free to state, discuss, and defend your viewpoint (provided it does not violate the Constitution), but please don't use that fact to attack others.
Fandom News
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This week is the 40th anniversary of the release of Star Wars: A New Hope. In honour of that, Vanity Fair released an anniversary edition, complete with four gorgeous covers featuring the cast of The Last Jedi. We have one with Rey and Luke on their island, one of helmetless!Phasma, scarred!Kylo, and slimy!Hux, one of Poe, Finn, BB-8, and new character Rose Tico... and one of General Leia Organa. Dangit, now I'm sad again. :(
Silly News
(Old books & old phones)
Eight years ago, someone borrowed a book by Roderick Bailey from Dudley library, in England. This week, they finally returned it... to Boone County library, Kentucky, USA.
Nobody knows how or why this happened, it's really surreal. Dudley library's theory is that they were worried about the overdue fine - but as they point out, that's actually capped at £4 anyway. ^_^ (You'll be pleased to know they've said Boone County can keep the book.)
Meanwhile, Nokia are even more out of date - they've just made a new version of a phone they phased out in 2005. Yes, the 3310 is back, complete with rubber buttons, no touchscreen, and... Snake! Well, I'm sold. :D
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On Monday evening, a concert in Manchester, England, was attacked by a suicide bomber. 22 people died, mostly young people, including one eight-year-old.
The UK terror threat level has been raised to critical, and the police have made at least eight arrests connected with the attack. Meanwhile, there's been controversy: the bomber's name was shared with the US government, and leaked to the US media despite the police not being ready for it to be made public yet. Photos of evidence from the crime scene have also been leaked in the same way; coming on the back of Trump's provision of highly classified intelligence to Russia (which is widely accepted as having burned a key intel source), it's no surprise that we've now chosen to stop sharing any information on the attack with America.
The (suspected) bomber, Salman Abedi, was 22 years old, British-born and of Libyan descent. I have absolutely no idea what has to be going through your mind to lead you to blow yourself up to kill children, and frankly, I'm glad I don't understand it. I don't want to.
In some ways, this is worse than the 7/7 attack back in '05. That had a higher death toll, but at least it felt like an attack on infrastructure - it struck at the trains, the buses, trying to paralyse the capital. This... is just horrific.
Not News
Just one of the many moments from the party I threw, inspired by this conversation with Iximaz. :)
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Music recommendation. by
on 2017-05-28 02:30:00 UTC
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVBT6wktF5E
Probably safe for work.
Reminds me of the Battle of Helm's Deep, a little.
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Help scientists by looking at pictures of cute penguins! by
on 2017-05-28 02:15:00 UTC
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Yes, really.
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I have clicked on many penguins. by
on 2017-05-30 17:51:00 UTC
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It was fun. I mean, seeing a ton of very similar snow-and-rock pictures in between the penguin pictures was less fun, but when the penguins show up...boy, do they ever show up. Also, I can't believe there's a penguin type called Macaroni.
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I have helped! by
on 2017-05-30 13:55:00 UTC
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I looked at 15 images, and... 2 of them had penguins in. :-/ But I helped!
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Not important. by
on 2017-05-27 04:13:00 UTC
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I don't remember what year it was, but I remember playing snake and trying to read a LotR paperback in my car because we weren't supposed to work when it was raining. (The team of us were to photograph every house in the county.)
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Quiz Bowl by
on 2017-05-27 01:29:00 UTC
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The National Quiz Bowl competition is this weekend in New Orleans. I dropped my oldest off this morning for the trip. Go Cyclones! Plus, New Orleans!
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9th at Nationals! by
on 2017-05-30 19:09:00 UTC
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So the first two days of the tournament are qualifying rounds to get into the final tournament. They played six games and had to win at least four to get into the finals. They won five of the six. One of only three teams to do so. The next day is single elimination, and they lost in the first round, but that still put them at ninth. It is so exciting, and he has one more year to try again.
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I'm writing my fic again! by
on 2017-05-26 22:49:00 UTC
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I have a RWBY fic on AO3 that's been lagging for a while, but I finally got back into the swing of writing it!
Also, I have never responded to one of these before, so I don't know how they work, exactly.
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I started a ridiculously long fanfic project! (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 20:27:00 UTC
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Me too, strangely enough. (nm) by
on 2017-05-27 00:31:00 UTC
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My reactions, as usual by
on 2017-05-26 16:16:00 UTC
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To the fandom news:<br>So Rey gets trained? Wouldn't that be useless, since she already uses the Force better than Luke did before he was trained? ;P<br><br>Not-so-stealthy stabbing aside, Wikia's Fandom newsfeed has an article about how Wookieepedia came to be. It's a really interesting story; I'll put a link below my signature.<br><br>Funny story, when I saw Kylo take off his helmet, I expected his face to be all messed up like Vader's, so it was a definite surprise when he turned out to be completely fine and in fact rather handsome. I made a Scratch project out of it that day and made several people laugh.<br><br> To the Silly News:<br>What in the?! I have no words for either of these! XD<br><br> To the somewhat humorous part of the Serious News:<br>Yup, we Americans can't keep our mouths shut about anything, especially any real-life occurrences that we can compare to fiction in any way. Life is a giant action movie when you're an American (or at least a stereotypical one), and we love spoiling everything for everyone. (Haha, I'm thinking Hetalia thoughts while I'm typing this. Hetalia makes everything better.)<br><br> To the psychological part of the Serious News:<br>It's kind of the same stuff behind every other terrorist attack, or really anything destructive in general - for some reason or another, you feel as if the target deserves to suffer, and you feel it strongly enough that you put effort into actually making them suffer beyond bullying or harassing, instead of just fantasizing as teenagers are wont to do (part of why DAVD exists is teens writing fanfic about making their enemies suffer in the most gruesome and painful way possible). I'm guessing the target here was something along the lines of the world itself, otherwise he would have been aiming for infrastructure like the 7/7 you mentioned or important buildings like 9/11 over here. Whether there was any mental disorder under all of this is not clear to me, since he was 22 and studies show that the human brain does not fully develop to adulthood until age 25. He could have just been immature and really, really fed up with life. Who knows - I'm not a psychologist or anything, I just find it interesting to examine people's motives.<br><br> To the Not News:<br>The Vader facepalm, though.<br><br>-Twistey<br><br>Star Wars anniversary article/the story of Wookieepedia: <a href="http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/40-years-star-wars-lore?src=swm">http://fandom.wikia.com/articles/40-years-star-wars-lore?src=swm</a><br><br>"Kylo Ren in a Nutshell", in case anyone wants to watch: <a href="https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/92928830/">https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/92928830/</a><br><br>The studies I'm citing in the psychological thing: <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708</a> -
More on the psychology (Long!) by
on 2017-05-26 17:14:00 UTC
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(This is probably going to come out wrong and make me sound really messed up, but we'll go with it.)
Part of why most of us don't understand why someone would do something like that is because we're lucky enough to be in a state of mind where we see other humans for what they are - people with feelings and thoughts. In order to conduct one of these attacks, often times the attacker has to lose sight of their target's humanity before they follow through with the attack, otherwise they'd just talk themselves out of it. (Although there are some cases where the person does the thing, heavily regrets it, and then does something to sabotage themselves, usually suicide, although there are some cases where the killer kills themselves for a different reason and ahhh it's just complicated.) While these kinds of attacks are indeed very dastardly actions, it doesn't take as twisted of a mindset as people think, let alone pure evil - we're all pretty much human, and everything we do is for a reason (which is why characters need reasons too. Psychology and fanfic go hand in hand! :D). No one is an entirely good or bad person, and thus morality is purely based on comparison, whether to the average, to another famous figure, or to one's own ideals. When enough people agree that the bad actions outweigh the good, judging based upon deeds and spoken words, they are deemed dangerous and are dealt with as such.
Argh, there's a lot more that I want to say, but that'd make for a really long post, and it's hard to put it into more words. The human brain is a strange contraption, and as we develop as a species, it will continue to get stranger.
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I started writing a novel this week! (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 16:15:00 UTC
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Awesome! (nm) by
on 2017-05-26 20:02:00 UTC
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I said this in the chat last night but... by
on 2017-05-26 12:25:00 UTC
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One of the victims of the Manchester attack went to my uni. Is very sad
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re: Star Wars by
on 2017-05-26 12:20:00 UTC
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Weirdly, the thing that caught my attention the most in your Star Wars post (at 3 A.M, in my defense) is that Captain Phasma is actually coming back. I rather figured she was just going to be in The Force Awakens, and disappear. Then again, I seem to have it in my mind that her actor is a fairly big name? But I'm not aware enough of Earth happenings to know who that is, or even if I'm correct in thinking that—but if I am right, it makes sense they would want her to continue appearing.
I wonder if she'll be a minor role again, or if she's going to become a personal nemesis for Poe—a Boba Fett to his Solo, as it were?
I would love muchly for that old style of phone to come back in style. I hate having a fragile mini-laptop in my pocket all day at work, having to keep it from bending or getting wet every moment. My older phone was much more durable. Then again, I do need the weather app to know the day's high temperature, so I know which animals need their misters turned on on a given work day. '~' Guess I can't always get what I want, but if I try sometimes, I just might find I've got what the animals need.
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Captain Phasma by
on 2017-05-26 14:39:00 UTC
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I was kind of surprised that Phasma did so little in TFA, after having been hyped up so much. I am glad she is back, because it means they can fix that.
Also, Gwendoline Christi, who plays Phasma, is no stranger to armor. She also plays Brienne of Tarth in HBO's Game of Thrones.
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MST part two is complete! by
on 2017-05-26 17:52:00 UTC
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But even two folks as silly/punny as us run out of steam eventually, so there won't be any further installments. Enjoy.
Also, the mini-Aragogs listed are all fair game. Questions? Comments? - Whoops, forgot to do the link-sharing thing. by on 2017-05-26 19:57:00 UTC Link to this
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Obscure Mini problems. by
on 2017-05-26 20:28:00 UTC
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So in Iximaz's mission to Rose Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, a mini of Halloween (the holiday) was created.
It manifested in the form of a Jack-o'-lantern with the misspelled name carved into it. Halloween (the holiday) is not a continuum, so there can be no fan fiction or OFUs written in it.
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Wiki repair request. by
on 2017-05-29 22:38:00 UTC
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I could probably try to fix this myself, but the Sprouts page links to the board instead of the archives, which means that the older references are broken.
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Mini page proposal. by
on 2017-05-29 20:31:00 UTC
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I've been thinking about expanding the Mini page for a couple days now, with stuff like what to consider when inventing a new mini type and what kinds of misspellings generate a mini. However, I keep getting hung up on the fact that the Table of Contents is so huge and disruptive. I could keep it below the rest of the page content, but what I'd really like to do is move the list to its own sub-page, Mini/List of Mini Types, with a link to the list from the main page. Is there support for this, or does anyone have any strong objections?
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Okay, looks like this is happening. Thanks! (nm) by
on 2017-05-31 14:48:00 UTC
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Probably a good idea. by
on 2017-05-30 01:01:00 UTC
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Sorry for adding the table; that page was getting so long, it was getting frustrating to edit, and took a while to load in edit mode. (At least, for me.)
But there's no denying that questions about mini types and creation are still some of the most frequent things for newer Boarders to ask about. That seems to indicate that we need the info more explicit than we currently have it. I say, go for it!
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I have no objection. by
on 2017-05-29 21:52:00 UTC
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Whatever will make it clearer, but I have no trouble understanding it now.
I am wondering if mini-sues remember being killed. I don't think it was confirmed either way. I'm thinking of a Twilight story where the mini-sparklewolf kept popping up and was disposed of by the rest of the minis. -
Unrelated mini concern... by
on 2017-05-28 04:41:00 UTC
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For the Legacy of Kain series, someone suggested mini-squids.
I have decided to go with mini-Sarafan. They look like four-foot-high empty suits of armor. As a bonus, there are at least two minis of Sarafan. I think Seraphan is an acknowledged alternate spelling.
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Can Bramandrin be an official mini-dragon? by
on 2017-05-29 19:11:00 UTC
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I don't have an agent pair that would willingly own him, but I might in the future.
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What about Hylden? by
on 2017-05-28 14:43:00 UTC
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A few reasons for this:
1. They're unique to LoK. Sarafan, as humans (or even suits of human armor), aren't.
2. They also feature throughout the series (called "the Unspoken" or "the enemy race" at times, but still).
3. They're the ones pulling the Sarafan's strings, IIRC, making them bigger baddies.
4. They're naturally monstrous in form, so you don't have to jump through any descriptive hoops to avoid having minis that look like small children.
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Re: What about Hylden? by
on 2017-05-28 16:32:00 UTC
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- True, it would be the same mini as for "Bedknobs and Broomsticks."
That's why http://legacyofkain.wikia.com/wiki/Fire_demons_(SR2) probably wouldn't work either. They'd look too much like smaller mini-Balrogs. ((BTW, for years I thought that mini-Balrogs were three feet tall, not eight feet tall.))
2. I agree. There is even a mural of them in Soul Reaver, though I forget the explanation for it.
3. Just the Seraphan of Blood Omen 2. The original order had nothing to do with Hylden.
4. This is a good reason.
5. Writing the mini-squids was fun, but I had extra problems. The most important one was that they were immobile, much like tribbles. In symbolism that the original squid was referred to as chatty, they would randomly make Tony Jay quotes, which meant extra work.
6. There is actually a joke that works well with Hylden. Liz is going to wonder why "Hylians" doesn't spawn a mini.
- True, it would be the same mini as for "Bedknobs and Broomsticks."
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General rule of thumb concerning minis? by
on 2017-05-28 14:09:00 UTC
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Their form in any canon is theoretical until they've appeared in an OFU or a mission. They do frequently get discussed on the Board before their first appearance, but the mission or OFU is what makes them official (though even then OFUs will sometimes switch things up--see mini-tribbles becoming mini-Gorn in OFAS, for instance, IIRC).
I know absolutely nothing about Legacy of Kain, mind, including whether or not it's been missioned before (the list on the wiki page doesn't include it, so I'm guessing it hasn't), but this is generally how things work. If it's had a mission with minis, the mini form is set; if it hasn't been missioned in a case where minis appeared, then the mini form isn't set. And if a mini form has been proposed and recorded... then going by the wiki page, the first mission writer or the OFU writer makes the final decision.
All of this is, in fact, on the wiki page, but why not restate it here? Might be helpful. :)
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Re: General rule of thumb concerning minis? by
on 2017-05-28 23:03:00 UTC
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I assure you that Legacy of Kain has been missioned by another anti-mary-sue society, but not by the PPC.
There was someone who made an agent from the LOK universe, but they spent five years with permission and not doing a thing with it.
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Non-continuum minis. by
on 2017-05-27 19:00:00 UTC
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Hi there!
If you go to the Mini page, you may notice a section headed "Non-Continuum Minis." I would suggest that as the best place to put a mini that is not based in a particular continuum. {= )
You should also try to track down the story it does come from, if you can. Some creative Google-fu may yield results. If not, I'd just credit Iximaz' mission with a note that it is not the original appearance, and that the page should be edited to link to that instead if/when it is found. See other entries with notes on the page for the correct format.
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...wait, um. by
on 2017-05-28 00:15:00 UTC
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To be completely honest, I'd totally forgotten I'd even included a Halloween mini at all. So my line of thinking was, "I've never written that mini before so I can't have created it."
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Yeah, I made the edit. (nm) by
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Good question. by
on 2017-05-26 22:38:00 UTC
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Does anyone remember that conversation about a misspelling of "Bristol" "Bristle" in a Harry Potter fic?
There was an argument of whether it should be a paintbrush, somehow connecting it to the real world.
Or there was an argument that it should be a mini-arogog, like in the Harry Potter series.
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I also has question =IyI= by
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(Not sure if this should have been a new thread... best not to bump stuff, right?)
(Maybe add this to the FAQ?) I'd like to know rules about starting RPs. More detailed description on the talk page.
http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:FAQ:_The_Board#A_question_to_ask_and_to_add
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Usually what people do... by
on 2017-05-27 19:08:00 UTC
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Is pitch the RP idea on the Board first to see if there's sufficient interest to go forward. RPs generally take place on T-Board or Discord these days depending on whether you prefer semi/not-real-time or real time.
I suspect the reason this is not stated anywhere is that people tend to pick it up through observation. I guess we haven't had anyone start an RP for a while, though.
Adding questions to existing question threads is good, BTW. Plus, more people are likely to see your questions on the Board than they are on scattered wiki Talk pages.
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Okay, thanks (plus the RP idea) by
on 2017-05-27 21:32:00 UTC
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Alright. (I put stuff on talk pages and the Board whenever it could be added to an article.) Now that we've gotten that cleared up...
I had an idea for a Lovecraftian/horror RP involving either an alternate universe of the PPC (e.g. EPC) or an alternate universe of the Boarders themselves (e.g. Plort.) Players can be either one of the paranormal investigators or someone on the side of the monsters (monsters, cultists, etc - since it's Lovecraft styled, the creatures are all essentially gods, and would probably be an analog for Mary Sues and other weird Internet stuff.) Or they can switch sides if they get reformed or possessed. Does that sound like fun?
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I'm probably not going to participate either way. by
on 2017-05-27 22:28:00 UTC
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I don't know as much about Lovecraft as I should.
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It won't really be in the continuum... by
on 2017-05-28 18:36:00 UTC
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Just the same idea of monstrous gods that can make you go insane just by looking at them, and sorta exist pretty much everywhere in space time. I don't know much about the actual Lovecraft thing either, but here's a link to a description of the general idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos
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You don't think you should, er, by
on 2017-05-29 08:40:00 UTC
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do a bit of research into Lovecraft, before doing a Lovecraft-styled RPG? Read the fellow a bit? Man's got some bloody well good stories, let me tell you!
I mean, Iunno. I say this as a turbosnob with zero life at all whatsoever, but there's a whole lot of things to Lovecraft's stuff beyond 'tentacleguy that makes you crazy when you look at him.' Not that he owns the concept or will rise from the grave and slap you for doing it without researching or anything, but if you're stating him as an influence, it's helpful, y'know? -
I take it that you'd be interested if I did? :P by
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Okay, that seems like a good idea. Despite the fact that the RP would take place in a new continuum, it would still be a good idea to research the original continuum so that stuff gets done right.
Do you have an idea about where I should start with my research? The stuff I know so far is that the Cthulhu mythos gods have a structured hierarchy (Great Old Ones, Outer Gods... can't remember the other kinds), there's a lot of them (I've been to the list on Wikipedia, wow), they've all got cat-on-keyboard names, you go insane looking at them because they're all so weird that the human brain cannot comprehend them... can't recall any more info, other than Lovecraft's work wasn't the most PC. But hey, look who's talking. Can I get a bit of guidance as to where to begin? If we get enough interest in this RP going, I'll let you be a moderator with me so you can give me a bit of help with regards to the canon I'm basing on. I'm noticing now that since the Lovecraft stuff is well-known literature, people often think they've got the idea nailed and don't go in as accurately as they could have; thus, advice is appreciated. (Although that kind of "slap Cthulhu's name on it" stuff isn't all bad. Ahem, various Terraria bosses. :D)
Thanks for the advice!
-Twistey
P.S. I've also started working on a story of another Lovecraft world, and I would share it with you to beta what I've got so far, except it's on my Google account for school, so, y'know, personal info. Hopefully this research and RP excursion will help me out. -
Aaaaaaaack, I wish! by
on 2017-05-31 13:56:00 UTC
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I wish I wish upon a fish. I'm doing school stuff and I am, at this very moment, gearing up for one of those real work-heavy bursts, y'know? I don't dare join another RP, as such, let alone moderate things! But good grief, would it be awesome to join.
And, yes! He was not PC. In fact, he is a git. I know, for certain, that he would probably hate me because not only do I not have a single droplet of New England blood in me (popping me in the 'potential cultist/cannibal' area,) I have a parent with brown skin (popping me in the 'potential horrific eldritch abomination of gaping inhuman death' area.) I don't, personally, think his stories are necessarily specifically aiming to be racist propaganda - as I see it, he really was genuinely interested in themes of inhumanity and alien-ness, the empty inhuman depths of space and such. It's just that, being racist, he tended to project those themes on other races a lot of the time. His stories, in general, have a far greater focus on those general themes, and he's a good enough writer that it usually doesn't feel, y'know, weird. Except Shadow of Innsmouth. That one is really racist. Phew. But, yeah, I know people who sort of like to avoid that stuff, so if you sort of like to avoid that stuff, here's warning. I still do, personally, feel that the good parts are faaar worthwhile, in general.
But, yes! Research! The best research is, obviously, reading his stuff, which is fairly easy in Lovecraft's case, because the majority of his work is short stories. Here we got a collection of electronic texts of his stories. It's public domain, so it's legal. This means you are not allowed to read them while wearing sunglasses and a leather jacket.
The Colour out of Space is the most solidly Lovecraftian short story you'll get - weird horror, blendings with sci-fi, set in classic Lovecraft country, another reason I don't want to spoil. It's bloody good. Genuinely one of his best.
The Dreams in the Witch House is a jolly good showcasing of the element of witchcraft and sorcery in Lovecraft's works that is usually overshadowed by Oh No Tentacles. It's a brilliant reinventing of the idea of witchcraft from a weird sci-fi perspective, it is. It also explores Lovecraft's fascination and ideas on dreaming. Also it is good. That is important.
And then there's The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath. Of all of the parts of Lovecraft that are overshadowed by Oh No Tentacles, it's his Dream Cycle that gets it the worst. Which is a shame, because the Dreamlands is one of the most fascinating fantasy worlds I've seen, being totally separated from all that elves and dwarves, and having Lovecraft's styles of weirdness and horror. Dream-Quest is just like that - an oddly classic fantasy adventure, done in Lovecraftian style and creativity. It's, er. It's a bit long, but it's the Dream Cycle story I love the best and have read the most into. Lovecraft himself was pretty hard on the story, but shut up Lovecraft, you racist, I liked it! And, yes, it is, in fact, still connected to the rest of the mythos.
So those sort of cover a lot of his various facets, are fairly short (except for Kadath, whoops!) and are relatively not-racist (a sign of a great author, when that has to go into account.) A lot of the stuff on the gods and their hierarchy, as I've found, was greatly added in later on by not-Lovecraft, and a lot of those writers were, er, not quite as good at Lovecraft with his ideas for the mythos. I will also recommend Mountains of Madness, The Rats in the Walls, and The Whisperer in Darkness and a bunch of other ones I can't remember. Of course, it's your own continuum, so you don't need to, y'know, stick heavily to it or anything. But learning makes you smart, and everyone loves smart people. And if you're interested in those themes, it's good to actually see them.
Also, you considered making a personal Google account? I got a school one and I got a personal one, where I pop all my stories on. It's got a fake name and everything! I like to wear my sunglasses and leather jacket, while altering things in it.
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Well, hopefully I can use the texts you gave as a way to learn better, even without somebody helping me out. I'll begin reading the stuff soon. And yes, I am going to make a, well, haha, a non-personal personal Google account. I already have a personal one, but it has personal info on it. I'm going to transfer all my stories and other stuff onto the fake-name account once I've got it up and running. That will include the Lovecraft-styled thing and also a crud ton of fanfi...il then, *bookmarks Lovecraft thing*.
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Oh shoot! I forgot about the thing! XD (nm) by
on 2017-05-31 21:04:00 UTC
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...Lyra looks kind of like a bird in that picture. XD (nm) by
on 2017-05-28 18:33:00 UTC
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on 2017-05-27 22:35:00 UTC
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Well, yesterday was a RP in Discord... by
on 2017-05-27 20:58:00 UTC
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...whichinvolved Granz throwing fridges at people... and 1visible somehow ending up in hell... while magically sealed in a portable restroom...
Yeah, it got weird pretty quickly... -
Although I was thinking of themed I love those kinds of RPs. (nm by
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Re: I also has question =IyI= by
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The PPC Posting Board does not feature any sort of bump system.
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What I meant by "bump" by
on 2017-05-27 21:29:00 UTC
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Not "bump" as in bumping something to the top. "Bump" as in bumping something off the bottom, which the Board is confirmed to do.
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PPC Pokémon Tournament (let's try to end this by June) by
on 2017-05-28 03:14:00 UTC
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(Okay, maybe that's a bit out of the question by now, but I can hope.)
Again, the rules doc and bracket can be found here.
Right now the only two fights left are Scapegrace vs. [EvilAI], and the winner of that match vs. Novastorme. - And here's the match by on 2017-06-05 16:44:00 UTC Link to this
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Congratuations to Storme! by
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He is now officially crowned this year's PPC Pokémon Tournament Champion!
Which puts Scape in second place, and, uh...
*consults notes*
...I think Huinesoron in third? I don't even know how to work it at this point, but he's the only other contestant that made it far enough in the brackets (and didn't drop out) to qualify. I don't really see who else would fight to contest the third place trophy, and Storme's made it to the end undefeated, so making him re-fight for the first place spot is dumb.
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on 2017-06-05 16:53:00 UTC
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http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7anythinggoes-586507153
Kinda spoiler kinda spoiler kinda spoiler etc etc etc.
I have no idea how, but somehow I'm the champion again. Thanks to everyone I played for amazing and tough matches and I hope everyone enjoyed it. -
Alright, EAI has withdrawn. Scape vs. Storme next! (nm) by
on 2017-06-05 04:41:00 UTC
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While we're talking Pokemon... by
on 2017-05-30 15:22:00 UTC
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... I just went back and looked up that time Scapegrace hand-crafted Pokemon gyms for people (did anything ever come of that, Scape?). Aaaand I discovered that I'd sent Dafydd in to snark about them.
So because I'm a big fan of self-aggrandizement, and because people occasionally express a liking for Dafydd snark, and because content generation is hard, dangit, I've compiled all of Dafydd's analyses into one easy-to-eat link:
Thoroughly pointless, but might be fun.
He names them, too. Mostly with Silmarillion references, though he does refer to Mega-Sharpedo as 'a shark with bling'.
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And his opinion of Team Novastorme. by
on 2017-05-30 19:37:00 UTC
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... is that one of those Mumakil things from the far south?
((Apparently it's based on a pig, as well.))
I shall call it Oliphaunt. And I shall point it at Morgoth and let it loose - and laugh.
((It isn't yours and you can't have one.))
Spoilsport. What about the... wait, I recognise this cat. It's Sauron!
((It's not Sauron. This is a different Alakazam.))
So it's a different cat? A lesser cat... a cat of Queen Beruthiel!
((No.))
But yes. And it is teamed with...
...
... what in the world is that?
((It's a ghost inhabiting a washing machine.))
That's ridiculous.
((I didn't make it up.))
... you know what, fine. It's a weird water creature with a shell, I'm calling it Fastitocalon.
((I already have a Pokemon named-))
Okay, then I'll call it Turtle-Fish. And its fire-rock buddy can be... uh...
((I don't think there are any mythical creatures in Middle-earth like Heatran.))
Who says it has to be a mythical creature?
((That's pretty obviously your theme. But a Fire/Steel Pokemon doesn't-))
Hah! So you say. But fire and steel? That's one of Morgoth's dragons, and that means I can call it a serpent of iron, after those that assailed Gondolin in the old tale.
((... those aren't mythical.))
What, the fantasy tanks that never showed up again? Sure they are.
Not that I admit to my theme being myths.
Next is a flying... thing. Owl, maybe? It has a certain unreal quality to it; I think I shall name it pretty butterfly-
((That's a Discworld character.))
-- all right, then it can be Princess Mee. Lovely, according to the poem, was she.
((You're really stretching this.))
Silence. The next item is a mushroom, or rather a tree, and that means it has to be named Entwife. I mean, it doesn't look much like them, but it's a plant, so it'll do.
And finally we have a... werewolf.
((Those are definitely real.))
Yes, you would know that, wouldn't you? Your vaunted Finrod found it out for certain.
((Do you have to?))
Yes. Obviously this Pokemon is as evil as the day is bright, and furry besides... I understand it's a shape-shifter of sorts, too, and cunning. If it isn't a werewolf, and isn't one of Beorn's kin, it must be a relative of Badger-Brock, Bombadil's foe.
((This is ridiculous.))
You're the one who said I had to link them all to mythical creatures.
((That is absolutely not what I said.))
You've ruined your bed, now lie in it. I'm off home.
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Dafydd's view of Scapegrace's team. by
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There were seven kings in Beleriand in the greatest years of the First Age.
((Oh, no.))
As it happens, there are also seven Pokemon on 'Scape-grace's' team.
((Oh, no, Dafydd, really--))
It seems therefore entirely appropriate to--
((Dafydd, Scapegrace already has a theme, they're all robots from--))
I didn't ask for your opinion. So! Toxapex. It looks like a mountain on the outside, but it has a frail little creature in the middle. Yes, it's covered in spikes, but ultimately, it's unable to defend itself.
((There is no way this will end well.))
In other words, it's Fingolfin. Holed up in Hithlum, he ultimately couldn't stand up to Morgoth's attacks.
((Neither could your grandfather.))
Huinesoron! That was hurtful and you should be ashamed of yourself.
((But... you...))
Next up is pretty little... ah, 'Peromosa', apparently.
((Don't pick, mistakes happen.))
Not to me. With that long, carefully-tended 'hair', this Pokemon can only be compared to Finrod of the 'golden house of Finarfin'. As a bonus, it's a bug, and surely would love to live underground in a filthy cave like-
((Yes, you've made your point.))
Third is Metagross, and I'm sure I don't need to explain why it's named after Turgon. The rocky spines of its legs are a perfect mirror of the mountains of Gondolin, and unlike Fingolfin, it's actually able to make good on that promise.
Then there's a rather gorgeous Fire-type creature which must of course share a name with my own dear brother. Maedhros would... well, admittedly he'd probably be quite put-out to know I'd named a bug after him, but if he wanted a say in this he shouldn't have died.
Serperior... is Thingol. It just is. Look at it.
((... I can't argue with that.))
Then we have Hoopa-Unbound, which is not so much terrifying as overcompensating. With that ludicrous crown, it can be only one person: Morgoth himself, holed up in his dungeon quaking in fear.
((You're including Morgoth in this?))
I included Finrod, so it's not like I have a high barrier for competence.
((!!))
Finally, Tapu Fini. I admit I can't really tell what the design is supposed to be, but it looks something like a boat. By what would be happy coincidence if I wasn't such an expert at planning, the last king in Beleriand is Cirdan the Shipwright. Ta-da!
((... I will grudgingly admit that was impressive.))
You're too kind. No, actually you're not kind enough. Do better next time.
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It's actually Pheromosa, not Peromosa (nm) by
on 2017-05-30 18:13:00 UTC
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That was his point, yeah. I typo'd. (nm) by
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In fact, you know what? Dafydd's view of EAIUO's team. by
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... what, you're not going to let me start with your team?
((I've learnt better.))
Spoilsport. O-kay, so first on Evil Uber... ah, EAIvil Ultra... this person's team we have a large, angry-looking dragon. It looks kind of like Glaurung, if Glaurung was actually intimidating.
((I don't think Tyranitar is a dragon...))
Nonsense; just look at it. I'm going to call it Glaurung, and stay out of its way.
Then there's... is that what happened when Aule tried to make a mole 'better'? It looks like his kind of design.
((I thought you liked Aule.))
His skill, yes. His design sense, not so much. I'm sure I could've done a better job of mountains, for instance. Honestly, you'd think one of the creators of the world would at least know when something looked good.
Then we have--
((Aren't you going to nickname it?))
Why would I do that?
((Well, you... did before?))
Exactly. Next we have... a centipede. It's... just a centipede.
((It's eight feet long.))
So it's a big centipede. Hey, didn't you say that a bunch of stuff was bigger back in your world's history? Giant insects, giant lizards, giant birds...?
((That's... not precisely what I said, no.))
Something like that. I guess this team is themed around Big Stuff From The Dawn Of Time.
((That was my theme, actually.))
Then it's a stupid theme. Moving on, we have... a shark? Just... a shark?
((It has legs.))
So it does. A mutant shark, then. I mean, don't get me wrong, sharks are intimidating, but not so much as - what's next - as a... uh... that's a furry.
((Dafydd...))
What? I'm not casting aspersions, but that's definitely a furry. With spikes on her hands.
(('Her'?))
Yes. After that we have a robot with giant claws for hands. Quite impressive, but not very practical, I can't help thinking. I would make a comment about those wings being far too small to lift it, but let's be honest here: it's a robot. It has rockets. It just does.
((I think it's supposed to be a bug.))
Look. hS. I've gone through this whole thing without picking on you once--
((There was that whole 'Glaurung is a pushover' thing.))
Your words, not mine. My point is, don't provoke me. Got it?
((...))
Good. And finally we have... a star. Looks quite nice. Hey, wasn't that your badge last time we did this?
((... kind of.))
Shows good taste.
Overall, this is a very dark-seeming collection. It practically oozes evil. Which is appropriate, I suppose, for someone who calls themselves Uber Evil Overload.
((That's not what he--))
Don't care, done now.
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Oh man, I forgot you'd done these. by
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So glad to see them return :D
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I'll be around after 8 tonight my time! =] (nm) by
on 2017-05-30 14:38:00 UTC
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I don't know if you're still available. (nm) by
on 2017-05-30 23:03:00 UTC
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I am! For once... by
on 2017-05-30 23:41:00 UTC
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Find me under scapegracev2000 on the Showdown site. =]
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I am guessing the easiest way to do this.. by
on 2017-05-31 23:47:00 UTC
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Is to just get on showdown in say the writing room and hope we meet up? The time difference does appear to make this rather difficult.
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You able to get on Saturday? by
on 2017-06-01 00:10:00 UTC
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Specifically about 10:00 BST. I'm willing to delay PTU by half an hour or so if it gives you both a time to battle.
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Most likely not by
on 2017-06-01 00:34:00 UTC
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That's about 5:00 in the morning my time. I may withdraw if I cannot get a time set up soon.
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... Is it? by
on 2017-06-01 01:16:00 UTC
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I thought you were eight behind, not eight ahead...
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Ultimately Irrelevant. I'm withdrawing from the Tournament by
on 2017-06-05 00:33:00 UTC
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Too difficult for me to set up a time frame. So this can move on, I'm going to withdraw.
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June's tomorrow, guys. by
on 2017-05-31 20:17:00 UTC
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Really hope next year's tourney doesn't last until August. Or this year's, for that matter.
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Novastorme: you around tonight? by
on 2017-05-30 13:10:00 UTC
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Around half eight maybe? You wanted that friendly, right? Only I've managed to de-extinct my dinosaurs now... :D
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Yeah, I should be able to do then. (nm) by
on 2017-05-30 18:07:00 UTC
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Ex. See you there. (nm) by
on 2017-05-30 18:09:00 UTC
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In Writing as Ihavenoinsurance (nm) by
on 2017-05-30 20:32:00 UTC
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I've now lost to all three surviving players. ^_^ (nm) by
on 2017-05-30 21:00:00 UTC
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Who wants a badfic thread? :D (also paging Neshomeh) by
on 2017-05-28 21:52:00 UTC
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I've been trying to find fics to spork for the past few weeks, if not months - and I just stumbled upon this Star Wars/MLP crossover from 2012:
"The Lost Blade": https://www.fimfiction.net/story/63889/the-lost-blade (content warning for gore)
Rage...Fear...Selfishness...Greed...Conquest...Power...
These describe the the loyalists to the dark side on a rather blunt scale. People have learned to bend and follow the dark path of the Sith, and many come out as twisted and mind shattered corpses of the force. Only the strongest, only the most corrupted, only the most zealous become one with the Dark Side. And so many die after this.
While on a hunt for slaves of the light, the hated Jedi, a lone Sith apprentice finds himself on a disgusting world, with even more pitiful inhabitants...
@Neshomeh, since I've been looking for a potential fic for us to mission together, are you familiar enough with Star Wars for us to tackle this thing? If so, I am so tempted to have the mission be titled "May The Horse Be With You". XD
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Re: Who wants a badfic thread? :D (also paging Neshomeh) by
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"Another World, Another Chance" byLady of the North Star.
An entire planet system on the 41st millenium has been pulled to another place thanks to the efforts of an Emperor and a rather pissed off Eldar goddess. With stragglers and unwanted guests behind those who are chosen by the deity of the humans, those who had been given a second chance must live on a world different from their own. Warhammer40K X Mass Effect X Starcraft 2
Content Warning: This fic starts off with a very graphic rape scene in which a very out-of-character Nurgle rapes the Eldar Goddess Isha.
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It also features a severely out-of-character Emperor. (nm) by
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Re: Who wants a badfic thread? :D (also paging Neshomeh) by
on 2017-06-06 10:51:00 UTC
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Tge fanfiction can be found at https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12258435/1/Another-World-One-Last-Chance on fanfiction.net.
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*The. (nm) by
on 2017-06-06 10:51:00 UTC
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That fic brings back memories. by
on 2017-05-30 17:12:00 UTC
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I used to hate MLP and was a bit of a Sithoholic, so a pegasister friend of mine and I role-played fights between some nameless apprentice and like Celestia. I'm texting her the link to that fic as we speak.
Anyway, it's interesting to notice that the fic (or at least the description) is written from the perspective of a Sith. That would be cool were it not for the ponies. Not that SW/MLP crossovers are bad (I've seen some pretty awesome fan art of ponies with robes and lightsabers), it's just that a Sith in the world of the ponies could only mean death.
Huh - I've never really looked for badfic legitimately, it's usually just been reporting stuff that other people I know have written. I'll go search for some now.
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Annnnnnnnnd I've found stuff by
on 2017-05-31 00:10:00 UTC
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Let me know how well I chose these fics. These are all from the Circle of Lemmings.
https://www.quotev.com/story/8652917/Alone Naruto OC. The backstory's a bit angsty, and there's a little bit of uncanonical circumstances in this character's life. The description admits that this character is (or could be perceived as, can't tell) a Mary Sue, but incorporates a "don't like it don't read it" mentality.
https://www.quotev.com/story/5314909/From-Hell-To-Heaven-BeeOC I don't know too much about Transformers, but some of it seems a bit suspicious, and there's some weird grammar involved.
https://www.quotev.com/story/9594281/The-fastest-girl-alive DC OC. Even from reading the first few words, I'm kinda cringing. I'm not sure whether werewolves, vampires or demons exist in DC, but I'm pretty sure that there aren't any werewolf-vampire-demons.
https://www.quotev.com/story/9564724/The-Tales-of-Evie-Cade From what I can tell, this is a character who replaces Percy Jackson. Yep, y'all can groan, we know who else replaces her canon's protagonist. I especially looked for these kind of fics to post here.
https://www.quotev.com/story/6201083/Fairy-Tail-Little-Sister Fairy Tail OC. Just from the description, I can tell it's Sueish. Another "don't like don't read" - those are fun to spork.
https://www.quotev.com/story/9553430/Prophecies-Percy-Jackson-and-Harry-Potter-crossover So, Kronos and Voldemort team up to catch this girl why? If PJO and HP existed in the same universe, a half-blood witch wouldn't be as rare as this fic implies.
https://www.quotev.com/story/8243472/Hate-You-To-The-Moon-And-Back-Marauders-Era Even just reading the disclaimer, I'm cringing. James Potter having a sister wouldn't be so bad if she didn't have a severe case of time travel brain. It's called researching 70s music.
This is probably enough for one post. How'd I do?
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You rang? by
on 2017-05-29 18:22:00 UTC
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Well, I don't really know anything about the SW Extended Universe. On the other hand, I know people who do, and from the first chapter alone, there might be enough entertaining writing errors to make this worthwhile on that basis alone. (The ship gets stuck in a planet's atmosphere? What? {X D ) Plus, of course, the prospect of making Nume be a pony. *g*
I'll have to read some more of the fic to be sure, but you can put me down as a strong "maybe." {= D
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Alright! :D by
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I did skim through the fic itself, and I can say that it DOES provide a good dose or two of cringe later on - there's a flashback scene involving torture, which is probably why the gore warning was there - plotholes aren't resolved, and the author stated that they were going to accept OCs for inclusion at one point (though IDK if they got around to it, seeing as they stopped updating it later). So yeah, I think there should be some good sporking material to work with. :)
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A redheaded Kryptonian cracks her neck and knuckles. by
on 2017-06-03 04:30:00 UTC
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"Did someone ask for a Star Wars and My Little Pony expert?" She makes a devilish smile, while her eyes burn red with solar energy. "Let's burn some Suvian Sith Lords."
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RE: Badfic thread by
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Well, I don't exactly go looking for badfic, but let's see what my hitlist has to offer. (That reminds me, we're overdue for another Unclaimed/Claimed page cleanup...)
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10523004/1/I-love-you Confusing Black Butler fic that I'm assuming is Sebaciel based on the author's other works.
http://archiveofourown.org/works/11024250/chapters/24568437 Not actually on my hitlist. Takes place in a certain indie game beloved on Tumblr...and has characters from two different AUs of it where everyone's evil. This can't end well.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8089973/1/Harry-Potter-The-Twilight-Wolf Another refugee from the old days. The original note said it best: "He becomes a completely uncanonical werewolf species who doesn't need wolfsbane potion to control himself; Ollivander can see people's auras; Harry is given a second wand with two cores: intertwined unicorn bone and dementor bone."
http://archiveofourown.org/works/9818642 I keep seeing this one thanks to my interest in fic with Alphys and Sans being buds. The tags are a giant ball of NOPE. -
BADFIC THREAD! by
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Thank you for posting this. I felt that we needed a badfic thread, but I didn't want to start it.
I submit https://www.fanfiction.net/u/247389/VladimirsAngel
I love most of her Legacy of Kain stories, and consider "Urban Nosgothic" to be just about the best LOK fanfiction I've read, in competition with "Pygmalion Syndrome."
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1908163/1/Intruder-on-the-Set
I think this is good-fic, and set on the movie set of Lord of the Rings.
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Author requested sporking. by
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I have a story in mind, where some PPC agents without knowledge of the LOK series somehow wind up unprepared in Hillary's world.
I'm speaking of the second SIAT story, Self-Indulgent Authoress Tripe. There might be a third SIAT installment before the epic battle. I have some stuff from 2014 that I didn't publish yet.
I want the PPC agents to win, but as mortals against a god-mode author insert who barely knows about the concept of "Sue Hunters." -
*Blood pressure increase alarm* AAAARRRGH!!!!!! by
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WHERE IS MY BLASTER RIFLE!? I WANNA KILL WHATEVER NERF HERDER WROTE THAT!!!!!!!
.........SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTT.
I'm really incredibly peeved, right now.... I really should stop looking at this stuff...
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Anyone interested in a Giant Robot RPG? by
on 2017-05-28 22:00:00 UTC
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I'm looking to run a game of Adeptus Evangelion. If anyone's interested, I have the rulebook and sheets here: For anyone who was interested in Adeptus Evangelion: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9yww2cuXHEXRVFTUjFaaDNDXzQ
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I would, but it's all scary and complicated! Ahh! (nm) by
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RPG idea... escape room. by
on 2017-05-30 06:43:00 UTC
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I don't know if I'm going to participate, so feel free to ignore me.
Live action escape rooms are set up as re-settable puzzles for people to solve.
I think it would be fun to put a bunch of agents into a puzzle room that they know is staged.
The assumption is that the agent is human, but they do not have to be to participate. Like an Andalite would have to approach the problem like he only has five fingers.
It would be hilarious if someone destroyed something that wasn't meant to be destroyed, but it's not required.
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That seems interesting... by
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Might end up with a little bit of trouble, though, since escape rooms are often sequenced (even if there's a few parts to one step that are interchangeable), and that would require for the admin of the RP to be railroading, which is widely considered to be a very bad thing. Keep that in mind.
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I might as well join in by
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Given that Granz stole AT Tech, I guess I'll go for Pointman
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I may have a solution. by
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I'm using DocHub to edit my sheet. It's a program that allows you to directly edit pdfs from Google Drive.
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I'm intimidated. by
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Having to read rulebooks is not my thing.
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Looks interesting. by
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If you get enough people I'd definitely be up for it. I'd also probably be a Skirmisher for anyone else interested.
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You know I am. by
on 2017-05-28 22:35:00 UTC
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Dibs on Operations Director.
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You know I'm in! by
on 2017-05-28 22:08:00 UTC
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For anyone else interested, I'll be providing an AT Tactician.
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A long, long time ago... by
on 2017-05-29 19:58:00 UTC
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Hey, guys!
I'm Cerberus Dis, the same one that signed the original board constitution like a million years ago. (When even was that? 2006? Something like that?) It's been a while, and I've been kind of missing the weird and wonderful world of the PPC, so I'm back. Not from outer space, but I wish.
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Welcome back! by
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We've never met, but I'm glad to see an original PPCer stop by! What were/are your fandoms (or was it all LOTR back then)?
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...in a galaxy far, far away... by
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Jokes aside, welcome back aBoard! As your return gift, have this replica of the One Ring that allows you to use Internet Comment's Flames, to burn Sues, ya'know. ;)
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Belated welcome back! *tosses Spikes* (nm) by
on 2017-05-31 16:37:00 UTC
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Welcome Back! by
on 2017-05-31 03:54:00 UTC
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I think we coexisted for a while? I was once known as Techno-Dann, and then, well, life happened.
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Wait.... You were WHO!? by
on 2017-06-01 00:39:00 UTC
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No, no, just "The Doctor" by
on 2017-06-01 00:45:00 UTC
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I see my evil plan to escape all responsibility is working!
But yes. Hi, I've kinda been around forever. -
So many returnbies! Hi! :D (nm) by
on 2017-05-30 16:32:00 UTC
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Oh wow! Welcome back! by
on 2017-05-30 12:35:00 UTC
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A most ancient returnbie indeed!
Welcome back!
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Ancient Returnbie! by
on 2017-05-30 10:30:00 UTC
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Umm... Hi! Pleasure to see ya again! Umm... let's see, what can I... Oh!
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Welcome! by
on 2017-05-30 04:55:00 UTC
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Have this Perfectly Generic Object as a return gift!
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Hello. by
on 2017-05-30 03:22:00 UTC
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Have an urple glitter gel pen. Your agents may not use it to fill out mission reports.
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Returnbie! *glomp* *poke* by
on 2017-05-30 00:21:00 UTC
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Have a plate of welcome-back SPaGhetti! Man, it's been a while.
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Re: Returnbie! *glomp* *poke* by
on 2017-05-30 08:25:00 UTC
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Oh, don't worry about it! This is stuff that was almost ten years ago, it's ancient history. I'll be sure to check yours out though!
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Welcome Back! (nm) by
on 2017-05-29 21:51:00 UTC
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Welcome back! by
on 2017-05-29 20:46:00 UTC
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I do recognize your name from the Constitution! What else did you do back in the day? Any particular memories to share? Tell us everything! If you feel like it, of course. {= D
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[[[UNPARSABLE SUBJECT LINE]]] by
on 2017-05-29 22:05:00 UTC
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Mostly I sort of hung around the board and talked with people, so I'm not the most interesting of returnbies, unfortunately. I tried doing a mission in collaboration with Al's Waiter for My Inner Life, but our schedules ended up getting in the way of it. (I'm not entirely sad about it, because it would've meant reading through all of MIL and that's a level of masochism that I'm not sure I can attain.)
I remember Al and Grey Lady Bast and some others being cool to chat with, especially for little high school me who didn't have many people to nerd out with. So yeah, mostly I remember this board as being pretty chill. -
You may be interested to know... by
on 2017-05-29 22:44:00 UTC
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"My Inner Life" was eventually missioned by Iximaz and her friend Randa. You can check it out here.
Did Al's Waiter MST it? I feel like that was probably a thing that happened, but you guys were a little before my time, I think. That or I didn't notice, or I have simply forgotten. ^_^;
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Re: You may be interested to know... by
on 2017-05-30 08:24:00 UTC
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I vaguely remember that he did? I don't remember, though, since it was so long ago. I don't think his site is even up anymore.
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:O You're right; it isn't! by
on 2017-05-30 09:04:00 UTC
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... this cannot stand.
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All shall love me and despair. by
on 2017-05-30 12:39:00 UTC
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Lord of the MST, restored.
I haven't done anything with the other seven segments of AW's site, but I felt the classic front page needed to be retained. Click anywhere on the octagon to go into Lord of the MST, where you'll find mention of all three of the original Permission Givers, plus a magnificently bizarre PPC RP of LotR, which I remember because I was Gandalf. ^_^
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Hello returnbie (nm) by
on 2017-05-29 20:02:00 UTC
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Re: A long, long time ago... by
on 2017-05-29 19:58:00 UTC
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AND I MIS-SPELLED MY OWN NAME.
Wow.
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Zero to mini in 0.6 seconds flat. ^_^ by
on 2017-05-29 20:37:00 UTC
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Welcome back. I recognise your name, but don't remember actually knowing you, so who knows? Hi, anyway.
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Re: Zero to mini in 0.6 seconds flat. ^_^ by
on 2017-05-29 21:58:00 UTC
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I don't think we talked much, and I mostly lurked around and commented on other people's stuff back then. I wasn't writing any agents or anything (though Al's Waiter and I tried to collaborate on one for My Inner Life, god help us both, but it was waylaid by our own scheduling difficulties).
Good seeing you again, though!
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Sooo... Mailbox Game, anyone? by
on 2017-05-31 21:55:00 UTC
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It's actually almost past that time of year SeaTurtle would normally be kicking things off, but he's given me the go-ahead to get it started in his stead if anyone's interested.
If there's enough interest I'll set up the parent thread on the T-Board either tonight or tomorrow. -
Alright, I made the post on the T-Board. by
on 2017-06-01 18:40:00 UTC
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Link can be found here. Have fun!
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Count me in! (nm) by
on 2017-06-01 18:19:00 UTC
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Sign me in. (nm) by
on 2017-06-01 17:12:00 UTC
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I'm in! (nm) by
on 2017-06-01 14:57:00 UTC
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Oh my! One of those! Gods yes! (nm) by
on 2017-06-01 00:40:00 UTC
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The What-Now by
on 2017-05-31 22:00:00 UTC
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I have no idea what this is but you had me at the word "game".
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The mail-box game by
on 2017-05-31 22:04:00 UTC
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You can find the basic breakdown on the wiki: Here
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Ah, thank you! by
on 2017-06-01 17:21:00 UTC
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I don't expect to have much aside from a few dead flies in my own mailbox, but I am open to pleasant surprises.
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Hm... I suppose I could go for it. by
on 2017-05-31 21:57:00 UTC
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Really, no reason not to, so yeah, I'm up for it.