It's weird, we have so many college-age sci-fi nerds wandering around here and there don't seem to be many who are particularly literate in basically the granddaddy of all RTSs. I haven't explored the fanfic community around the games much if at all, but given what EA did to the franchise canonically (yes, I went there....) there have to be some stinkers out there, probably Stufics and people who get Nod or the Russians horribly wrong.
Thoughts?
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Any C&C Fans Out There? by
on 2014-07-01 03:46:00 UTC
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Well... by
on 2014-07-01 13:39:00 UTC
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Haven't played the original C&C games - I'm a little too young for that - but I'm a sucker for Red Alert 2. And 3, if I'll get my hands on it...
Though, if we're talking about fanfic, I've heard good things about this piece of writing.
This, however, is bad, NSFW, and beige-er than an old picture.
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I've got a PPC Question by
on 2014-07-01 04:36:00 UTC
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What happens if your agents go into a world that is populated by things that want to kill you? Do they ignore you like the rest of the canon? Or does something else happen? I was mainly thinking about the Attack On Titan where the Titans are driven by their need to feed on h
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I've got a PPC Question by
on 2014-07-01 04:41:00 UTC
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What happens if your agents go into a world that is populated by things that want to kill you? Do they ignore you like the rest of the canon? Or does something else happen? I was mainly thinking about the Attack On Titan (which I LOVE) where the Titans are driven by their need to feed on human flesh. Or Walkers from the walking dead- which I know nothing about. I feel like keeping theese threats In mind would add to the suspense of the mission.
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It helps to be one of those things. by
on 2014-07-01 16:52:00 UTC
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Typically, agents (or at least assassins) are supposed to disguise themselves as something that would canonically harm whatever the fic's Mary Sue claims to be. I can't see a Titan disguise working very well, but a Walker disguise would be perfect. *g*
As for AoT, the agents should absolutely strive to avoid attracting the attention of any rampaging Titans. The canon's cloaking effect should help there, but Titans seem to have excellent senses, so it may not take as much effort to break the effect.
(Sudden thought: wouldn't it be fun to see an agent actually get swallowed, only narrowly escaping by desperately portaling out, taking half the Titan's stomach contents with them? Could easily be played for drama and laughs.)
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An agent could disguise as a Titan, but spoilers re: why. by
on 2014-07-02 18:24:00 UTC
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(Also, if the way disguises work is if you physically are the thing you're disguised as, but mentally unchanged, you don't have to worry about things like most Titans being super unintelligent. Eating a Sue can't be pleasant though...)
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Re: An agent could disguise as a Titan, but spoilers re: why. by
on 2014-07-07 18:27:00 UTC
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Aside from the physical difficulties, I think Titan disguises would break the SEP field. A ten-meter man-eating giant is almost never Someone Else's Problem.
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Plus probably impossible not to notice one following you. (nm) by
on 2014-07-07 18:39:00 UTC
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Direct ingestion sounds like a good way to get Sued... by
on 2014-07-04 18:08:00 UTC
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... although apparently it has been done before with few ill effects.
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Capital-W Water is Suvian blood, people drink it fine. by
on 2014-07-04 20:40:00 UTC
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That said, eating a Sue whole probably isn't a good idea, yeah. Plus I imagine once the canons noticed you they'd be all "That Abnormal just ate our friend! Kill it!"
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Re: Capital-W Water is Suvian blood, people drink it fine. by
on 2014-07-04 20:45:00 UTC
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One Agent, I believe the name was Vera, on at least one occasion just swallowed a Stu, impractical armor and all. Of course, the fact that said Agent was a dragon at the time might have had something to do with the lack of side effects...
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Exceptions by
on 2014-07-01 14:05:00 UTC
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I'm not sure about this and I don't have any specific examples, but I think there are some canonical entities that can see Agents even when they are "cloaked", usually ones that can detect canonically invisible things or simply ones that are very powerful. I don't think any of those can perceive them through disguises, although there are canons that are simply aware of the PPC outright: http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Canons_Who_Know_of_the_PPC
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Thoughts about SEP by
on 2014-07-01 05:54:00 UTC
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The official page says that non-canons can see through SEP fields...
I've seen agents get within two feet of Sues and stay unnoticed.
And, it says that the Canon protects agents from detection (assumed if they are helping and not hurting.)
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Yeah, that shouldn't be happening. by
on 2014-07-01 09:44:00 UTC
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On the one hand, yes, we have a very fluid definition of 'PPC canon', and anything anyone writes is (usually) accepted, and retconned where necessary.
But on the other hand: the idea that the canons can't see you but the non-canons can goes right back to Rambling Band. It's a staple of writing PPC missions properly. Hide near a Character Replacement, yes. Write a Stu as so oblivious to everything around him that you can look over his shoulder, sure. Disguise yourself as something a Sue will just ignore, absolutely - that's what disguise generators are for (as well as, in theory, keeping the canon from harm by not having uncanonical kinds of murder). But just have them unable to see you? No. That's now how it works.
I'm not promising I've never personally had agents hanging around where they ought to have been noticed. But I will say two things. First, I've never claimed they can't be noticed. And second, if I find or someone points out to me an instance where I've done it, I'll change it. That's now how it works, and I refuse to let it appear in my work, even by omission.
The Canon protects agents from being noticed, in that it stops things under its control from noticing them unless they draw attention to themselves. That's the original explanation for what's now identified as an SEP field; I've been here all along, and I still have no idea why people felt the need to change it.
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I think I can shed some light on the SEP field. by
on 2014-07-01 16:40:00 UTC
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Does it help to know that it's introduced in the Original Series? In mission 26, "No Way Back":
There was a slight lurch, and they were about an hour ahead and several miles away, left banding in the stushes [sic] of a house. Rhus grabbed her taller partner and dragged her down so that Candie, sitting on the stoop working up the courage to ring the bell, wouldn't see her.
"Careful!" she hissed, and they both rested, watching Candie. "I think she's going into the bank."
"Nope. This is 'Maddie's House'," Jay murmured. "There are two bits inside, so we'll have to hide. Or be really, really careful."
"I'd go for hide," Rhus replied. "Either that or—got an SEP?"
"A what?"
"A Somebody Else's Problem field. I'd guess not, then... they're useful."
"Makes-Things refuses to give me anything more complicated than a Character Analysis Device v. 3.1. And after the Hogwarts Happy Snape incident, not even that. I use the old litmus paper."
What I take from this is:
1. The canon doesn't help agents hide from Suvians.
2. An SEP field would, if the agents had one.
3. The canon's cloaking effect and the SEP field's effect are complementary, but different.
Unfortunately, I didn't know or wasn't thinking of that when I wrote this:
The second function of the flash patch is to generate a weak Somebody Else's Problem field around the wearer. This enables agents to walk through a word world unseen by the canons, yet leaves them susceptible to being spotted by Sues should they draw attention to themselves. The reason for this is simple: the agents are there to help the canon, therefore they are not the canon's problem—the canon ignores them. However, they are there to kill the Sue—they are the Sue's problem, so the SEP field is less effective.
As far as I can recall, everyone thought the SEP field explanation was a good idea at the time. So, that's where it went wrong. Mea culpa.
The good news is, I too can edit things. {= )
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Okay, so this means I don't have to... by
on 2014-07-05 17:21:00 UTC
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I was thinking about creating an upgrade to the SEP field that enhances a Sue's self-centered thoughts. Basically it would allow agents to stand in the corner of their bedroom and MAYBE not be noticed if they hold still. But if the SEP field can already do that, then I could just go on without mentioning anything.
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Thou hast wrought this?! by
on 2014-07-01 18:17:00 UTC
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Ahem. I think it's clear that the SEP field Rhus is talking about is the full version - we might imagine that her next step if Jay had one would be to paint them both pink. After all, part of the operation of a full SEP is to render something unnoticable if there's something unusual about it. You can't just throw it up around a mountain - you have to make the mountain inherently strange as well. And PPC disguises are designed to make you not inherently strange.
As to why agents don't use these as standard? Well, other than because it's boring, we know agents are prone to breaking things - and that's hardened PPC technology. Maybe it's as simple as, SEP tech can't be hardened and keep it operating correctly. Or, a full SEP field requires a decently-sized bit of kit - and no-one wants to lug that around.
Your description matches (roughly) with what I've been saying, and with what I believe is the situation in most spinoffs - agents aren't the canons' problem, so the SEP is effective; since they emphatically are the 'Sue's problem, it does nothing there. It can be interpreted as imparting minimal shielding - the kind that lets you stand in the corner of a room and the OC will miss you - but doesn't require it.
I also have an unwritten discussion of two possible timelines of use; I'll craft it if anyone's interested.
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For is it not written, "we were all noobs once"? by
on 2014-07-01 18:50:00 UTC
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Perhaps even overweening noobs.
Anyway... do you happen to know offhand where H2G2 says the bit about the shielded thing needing to be inherently unusual for the field to work? The bit I quoted doesn't seem to imply that, but I'd be happy to expand the entry.
On the other hand, I'd argue that the agents are often pretty unusual even with disguises. Elves in a suburban front yard? Orcs in the heart of Rivendell, or Ringwraiths, or dragons that one time? I'd call that remarkable!
The way I've actually used the SEP effect in my own spinoff is to keep it separate from the canon-cloaking effect... I think. Without going through everything, I can at least say with certainty that I've referred to each at different times. In this post it sounds like you're preferring an interpretation that has the SEP effect overlapping with the canon-cloaking effect rather than complementing it, but I thought you were advocating for the two being separate before—so as to not make the canon-cloaking obsolete. How confused am I?
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Verily, 'tis so. by
on 2014-07-01 19:41:00 UTC
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The bit I'm thinking of is the introduction to the concept of SEP - it's the long-winded story about a bet to make a mountain invisible, which ends with something along the lines of 'If they'd lived a few thousand years later, they could have painted the mountain pink, erected a simple SEP field over it, and the inspectors would have walked all over it without noticing'. Additionally, the bistromath-powered spaceship is pink, too. I don't think it's outright stated, but it's at least implied.
You're right about the disguises - during the TOS era. But nowadays most LotR-agents go in as elves, choosing blending in over suitability for assassination. (Or am I wrong? My excuse for my agents is that they're DOGA, not DMS... heh)
I don't know how you have used the SEP - do you actually mention it frequently, or leave it as implied? And, well, my preference would be for the SEP to be entirely absent... but I can't have that! (Though I still think it makes sewing flash patches on ridiculously complicated). What I was trying to describe was how I thought it usually worked in stories, which in my mind is basically synonymous with - indeed, often driving out - the canon-cloaking effect. Which is a shame.
But am I wrong? I'm happy to be wrong...
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More general response. by
on 2014-07-01 22:03:00 UTC
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I'll flip through H2G2 and see if I can distill those parts into something short and pithy. Thanks!
I don't know about everybody else, but I think there's a time and a place for blending in with the location vs. blending in as a canonical killer. I think it always struck me as a little more of a strain to buy nobody noticing Orcs in Rivendell than to buy an Elf killing something generally treated as non-human and evil, even if it claims to be an Elf. On the other hand, you don't want to go around killing things in the form of a race specifically noted for not doing so. But most canons don't have a lot of hard and fast rules for who can and can't kill what, so that's not always an issue; but blending in with the location is almost always a viable concern. (I do think it often comes down to a matter of taste, though. Orcs are icky, Elves are pretty, etc.)
Thinking about canon vs. SEP, I recall wondering what makes the agents so special that the canon itself would go out of its way to help them, and I think that might've been the impetus for coming up with an alternative explanation in the form of the SEP field. I love TOS and I'm all for being as loyal to it as possible, and yet, when I think about it, it strikes me as a little high and mighty of us to take it for granted that Canon recognizes us and gives us special treatment. Perhaps, just maybe, it's okay to let that one go?
But either way, there's no reason for the SEP field to become so powerful the agents are effectively invisible until they stab someone. {; P
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A brief history of disguises. by
on 2014-07-02 09:43:00 UTC
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As usual, most of the following links are my own stories... most of the stuff written before J&A's period is mine, so yeah.
Anyway: a look at my stories featuring missions prior to J&A reveals a surprising fact.
1989 - http://ppchistory.webs.com/Nyx.htm No disguises (DMS)
1992 - http://ppchistory.webs.com/Dassie.htm No disguises (Intel)
1992 - http://ppchistory.webs.com/Skies1.htm Possible 'blending in' disguises (DBS)
1994 - http://ppchistory.webs.com/Ontic.htm No disguises (DMS) [a Klingon is not appropriate to the setting]
1999 - http://ppchistory.webs.com/Dafydd.htm No disguises (DMS)
1999 - http://ppchistory.webs.com/ReorgPart8.htm Possible disguises, but probably just the Klingon again (DMS)
Yes, apparently agents simply didn't use disguises before the LotR movies came out. Almost all of those agents are described as wearing black. Morgan's Klingon partner, and Anya's partner Suzay (a Twi'lek), could potentially be in disguise - we never see them anywhere else - but there's no reason to assume they are.
By 2002, disguising yourself as something that could plausibly kill a Sue was commonplace in the DMS. The situation in the DIC is less clear - the one mission J&A take where they don't have to kill anything (Mission 20), there's no mention of disguises - and while Sean and Lux appear to be out of disguise in Mission 7 (Sean has blue hair), they're, well, Sean and Lux.
Then by 2004, when Dafydd started getting missions... well, he's technically not in the DMS, but he does a lot of killing, and... huh. I'm having trouble finding mention of disguises, actually; he goes in as an elf in the first mission, but that's to a city that's 'terribly racist against elves', and there's discussion that at least implies he's thinking about the kill.
Even Narto, in '05, has an explanation beyond 'blending in' for wearing an elven disguise - he's going to the Undying Lands, where there pretty much isn't anything but elves. Second mission, orcs. It's only in the third mission that he seems to go directly for 'blending in', though it's still debatable on two grounds - would orcs really be able to kill someone in Lorien, and would elves really not be suitable, given that we're talking about humans in the heavily guarded Golden Wood?
O-kay. I was going to go on to craft a theory about disguises, canon-cloaking, and SEP fields on the basis of Abstract Canonical Entanglement theory, but... I'm no longer sure how disguises are currently used. Do people... no, do agents who are specifically there to make a kill actually go for 'blending in' rather than 'suitable killer'? I was certain they did - but since it's not even the case in my own spinoffs, I'm not so positive any more.
(On canon-cloaking: ACE allows it to be explained as the canon cloaking pretty much anything that comes in through it but is not of it. PPC portals funnel through the canon to access badfics, whereas Sues come in via World One. That would make it a physical law which doesn't specifically benefit the PPC, but would equally apply to Ispace, Jurisfiction, and random travellers.
(Alternately, if you accept that 'canon' has some kind of personality and intelligence... why wouldn't it recognise PPC agents? Their portals are fairly distinctive, after all)
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I tend to go for "blending in" by
on 2014-07-02 12:03:00 UTC
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However, in some of my missions disguise are more of a vague "make the character design fit" as they're in continua where... well, modern humans are commonplace.
There was a "suitable attacker" situation just once, actually, and that was taken care of with a DORKS when the Agents were already in the fic.
In the end, I think it's more of a situational decision - is blending in during the "investigation" part more important than being a plausible attacker during the "termination" part in that particular mission? When there's no Sue involved, always. And also when there's no "plausible" killer, or when the Sue is alone and so there are no canon witnesses. -
For blending by
on 2014-07-02 16:13:00 UTC
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I think it makes a bit more sense to look like you would belong during the gathering of charges. Even if the Sue sees you, it would be harder for her to realize you don't belong if you're part of the scenery. Making use of the "Beneath Notice" trope.
"The common 'ninja uniform' of black pajamas and a face mask comes from exploiting this quality in the audience of Japanese theater. Throughout the play, stage hands dressed in this manner would be visible during the play, but ignored as just part of the scenery. Because of this, they were the perfect place to stick a ninja into the script—to the audience, they would be appearing out of nowhere."
I still haven't started keeping a log of what I've read, but I've seen a few newer LOTR missions where the agents' presence suddenly made the characters more aware that the Sue isn't supposed to be there, or they're simply too shocked/neuralyzed to protect her as she's dragged off. -
Okay, I have a theory. by
on 2014-07-02 12:55:00 UTC
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The presentation is a bit patchworky - I was writing notes and ended up with a full theory - but I think the 'inductive reasoning' style works well for this.
Agents reach badfic via plothole
Since HQ is situated in canon, the plothole is registered by the canon as being part of itself.
Canon characters do not notice plotholes in their own works.
Therefore, canon characters do not notice agents arriving through plotholes linked to their own works.
Originally, this canon-cloaking was 'perfect'; the agents wore disguises to hide themselves from OCs only, and often didn't wear them at all.
In 1998 fanfiction.net launched, and in 2001, 'Fellowship' came out.
This combination of events led to a massive increase in the volume of fanfic.
According to ACE, badfic alters the canon it's based on.
The badfic surge destabilised the canon worlds.
As an emergency measure, agents were required to reduce plothole formation during their missions. They were ordered to a) use disguises which would plausibly kill each Mary Sue (or other sporking mechanism), and b) reduce their use of portals within the fic.
Unfortunately, the kill-centric disguises led to more strain on the canon, since agents were now asking canon characters to routinely ignore their direst enemies prancing around in front of them.
At the same time, the general destabilisation was rendering the canon less capable of distinguishing canon and uncanonical plotholes.
To battle the twofold crisis facing the PPC - PPC-created plotholes damaging the canon, and PPC agents becoming noticable to canon characters - Makes-Things modified H2G2 SEP field technology.
The original SEP required a thing to be distinctly unusual in order to render it unnoticed.
Makes-Things deduced that it would be possible to reverse this effect: rather than making canons think of unusual agents as somebody else's problem, he could make canons think of agents who fitted in as nobody's problem.
What is technically known as Nobody's Problem technology (but universally as SEP anyway) was rolled out around 2004.
Under NP protection, agents were required to wear disguises that let them blend in. If the canons thought they were normal, they would become Nobody's Problem.
The NP field also renders agent-related plotholes - portals, and random murders - Nobody's Problem as far as the canon itself is concerned.
This latter fact allowed canon-cloaking to work again, covering for the fact that agents are rather unusual regardless of their disguise - they sneak around spying on people. But canon-cloaking will hide that.
As far as OCs go: when the agents fit in with the OC's story, they are Nobody's Problem; they can hang around in the background without being noticed. But as soon as they start doing things that would be mentioned in the story if it were part of it, they become unusual. Since OCs are not part of the canon, there is no canon-cloaking effect.
Essentially, then, NP fields have zero effect on OCs (since agents who fit in silently are functionally identical to bit parts who do the same thing). With canon characters, they mask the plotholes agents create, thereby allowing canon-cloaking to augment the NP effect and make agents functionally invisible.
The essential core of that is: disguises should be as unobtrusive as possible to aid the SEP (technically NP) field. The NP works - but is fundamentally useless - against OCs. Against canon characters, it re-enables canon-cloaking, which then augments it to become effective invisibility.
I think this theory works. So where have I gone wrong and what have I missed?
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SURVEY: SEP fields, Canon Cloaking Effect, and Disguises by
on 2014-07-03 21:05:00 UTC
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Sample Survey
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Re: SURVEY: SEP fields, Canon Cloaking Effect, and Disguises by
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For the yes/no questions, could you put a note that says "not yet means no"
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No Agents to my name yet, answers are what I WOULD write. (nm) by
on 2014-07-04 20:47:00 UTC
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Running commentary. by
on 2014-07-04 08:13:00 UTC
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SEP 1: Fairly basic question, no comments.
SEP 2: This seems fairly comprehensive.
SEP 3: ??? Where's this question? You never asked what I think SEP fields do. Since part of this discussion is over whether they hide agents from OCs, that's a key point. It may actually be two questions, one about canons, one about OCs, with the options as: hide you from them unless you make yourself noticable, hide you from them completely, simply make them less likely to notice you hanging around, no effect at all.
CC 1: Basic, no problem.
CC 2: And here you've merged the idea of SEP 2 with my SEP 3. I think you'd be better separating them, for clarity's sake. Also, this question assumes you know precisely how an SEP field is thought to operate - which is part of what we're trying to find out!
D 1: Basic, no problem.
D 2: I think this needs an option 2.5 - trying to balance 'likely to kill' with 'something at least probable'. Oh, you may also want an extra last option - 'whatever seems coolest'. Ents. ;) I say no more.
D 3: Seems fairly comprehensive.
CA: No problems, good question.
Thank you for doing this!
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Re: Running commentary. by
on 2014-07-04 23:38:00 UTC
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I added a lot of new options/questions while expanding. Would you mind checking it out again?
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Ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-changes! by
on 2014-07-06 06:15:00 UTC
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-I approve of CC3 (though it still doesn't establish what people think either of them do...)
-Disguises 2 looks good, though it does specify 'kill the Sue', which... well, we've had arguments before about the PPC being More Than Just Killing Stuff. In the same manner as referring to 'PPC community members' rather than 'Boarders', you might want to tweak that. 'Kill any OCs present' might work, or simply 'kill the badfic'. I'd avoid 'spork' because it can be taken to indicate the entire MST section.
... and nothing else flagged up as needing changing. So that's good?
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OH BUT WAIT.
I see you have hidden questions. Back to look.
-SEP 3: Seems pretty comprehensive.
-SEP 4&5 are just repeats with different subjects, so no complaints there. In this case Sue is the only relevant word in SEP5, and furthermore doesn't require your agents to actually take on Mary-Sues, so no objection there.
-SEP 6: option 3 is 'the Force'! Yeah, this seems comprehensive.
-With this in mind, I assume CC4 is the box for listing the differences if you think there are any. That could probably do with clarifying.
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dear sweet lady Nessa, there's more?
-Departmental exceptions: you might want to at least list Intelligence, since they spend a lot of time in badfics. The rest of Inf we can probably leave unstated. Agent Kaitlyn is pleased to see the DCPS getting a mention. :)
-Multiple answers: fairly simple, no problems.
Is... is that it? Did I finish?
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Final version? by
on 2014-07-06 19:17:00 UTC
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I added basically the same thing as SEP 3,4,5 to Canon Cloaking. It may still not really get what we think it does, but gets it closer, I think. I also added a paragraph box to disguises and added the line about (This is where you can explain how you think disguises works or how they relate to SEP fields or Canon Cloaking) to all three sections only changing the appropriate subjects.
Changed kill the Sue to kill the badfic
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Looks good from here. by
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My latest set of answers were absolute gibberish, so yes, please delete them... ;)
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Re: SURVEY: SEP fields, Canon Cloaking Effect, and Disguises by
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For some answers, there needs to be a checkbox that says "not yet, but intend to if I find opportunity."
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I changed Disguises 1 to this:
Yes, but only when they don't already blend in or spend the entire mission hiding under a bed (in a closet, behind the walls, etc)
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Re: SURVEY: SEP fields, Canon Cloaking Effect, and Disguises by
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SEP fields 1 and Canon cloaking 1. I guess it's related to the headcanon acknowledgement of Canon aiding agents.
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Re: SURVEY: SEP fields, Canon Cloaking Effect, and Disguises by
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I intended the second of those questions to cover people who think or intend that, but haven't done it yet.
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Do we really need a complex theory? by
on 2014-07-03 11:23:00 UTC
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I have never thought of canon-cloaking as “the canon protects the agents because the PPC is so awesome”. It is just the canon’s standard behavior I would expect. Attempting to preserve what the canon’s author wrote, intruders to the word world are ignored whenever possible, and are easily forgotten when they fade into the background after an interaction that wasn’t damaging.
Like you said in a previous post, it is a physical law applying to all kinds of trans-dimensional travelers, not just the PPC. But it would also apply to “touristy” OCs who just enjoy the sightseeing and mind their own business, not trying to interact with canon characters or going from Rivendell to Mirkwood within an hour. Of course, most OC’s purpose is to interact, so canon is forced to notice them. But going meta, minding their own business – Sue hunting, exorcising and disentangling – and occasional sightseeing, never interfering with canon, is what agents do in a PPC x badfic x (insert continuum here) crossover. Thus canon-cloaking doesn’t depend on coming in through special portals or on the PPC being part of every canon.
Concerning the SEP field, my head canon has been that it doesn’t actually exist in the PPC. It’s a metaphor used by some agents when they mean to say “we go unnoticed as long as we don’t foolishly act in a way that makes somebody aware that we might be a problem”. Agents use it to describe canon-cloaking as well as the average Sues’, Stus’ and Wraiths’ inability or unwillingness to notice anything that doesn’t fit the story lines they have in mind for themselves. (Going meta again, this inability may be the badfic’s attempt to preserve what its author wrote, and it may be hard to overcome, even if suethors try to make their Stus more observant.)
Apparently some agents are aware that “something” is built into their flash patches, and some agents believe that this is an SEP field generator. But where is the evidence? May it be something else (not necessarily a contact neuralyzer)? Where do they keep their universal translators? Aren’t these things built into the flash patches? Considering Kelok’s adventure mentioned by Miah below, it is difficult to ignore a bleeding man in your house, especially when you are a medical doctor, so there is still no evidence that there was a SEP field generator built into the damaged flash patch.
But if we need to have SEP field technology in the PPC, then I like your outline of how the NP field came into being.
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Re: Do we really need a complex theory? by
on 2014-07-03 19:08:00 UTC
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Oh I like that. Both this and the idea that it is all equally true. Kelok believes there is a SEP field, and that's why he's seen, but it is just as valid to assume he is seen because an injured person would be someone Watson would notice immediately.
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Hah, I love it. by
on 2014-07-03 21:15:00 UTC
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"It works in X way because you think it does" is quintessentially PPC. Brilliant. ^_^
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Need? No. by
on 2014-07-03 11:50:00 UTC
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It's perfectly acceptable to simply write missions on the basis of 'canons can't see agents, OCs can, that's just how it is'. The end result of all this theorising is basically fixed - but I personally find it fun to theorise. Multiverse Theory is a similarly pointless exercise in pseudo-scientific analysis of a string of jokes. I just enjoy it. ^-~
(And, for the record, my own head-canon is that the physical laws of the PPC multiverse will rise up to meet any reasonable theory which is put forth about them. All theories are true, for a given value of true - so canon-cloaking is a simple trait of canon-visitor interactions, and it works because of channelled portals, and it's because agents are Just That Awesome, and the canon is intelligent and does it deliberately, and it doesn't exist at all. All at't same time!)
You're right that, basically, agents don't know most of the answers - and all sources are of necessity 'in-universe'. The compiler of Nesh's list of gizmos thinks there's an electronic SEP generator under the flashpatch - but unless she happens to be an SEP engineer, she's no more reliable a source than anyone else. The only person who knows is probably Makes-Things, and maybe Hornbeam - but do you really think M-T is going to sit down over a beer and discuss his job? I can't see it, m'sel.
Ultimately, the best way to handle all this is to list the observed effects, and try to keep them consistent - then describe the theories that have been built up around them. ('Multiverse Theory' is a genuine in-universe scientific theory - with zero statements made about how well it describes the true nature of things. If ACE is complete gibberish, my latest canon-cloaking explanation is simply impossible!)
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Not sure it's total invisiblity, though? by
on 2014-07-02 18:41:00 UTC
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At the least, it seems like canons can still notice and interact with agents if attention is drawn to them, they're pointed out, whatever. They initially ignore them but it's not like the agents are completely invisible to them; I'm sure I've seen a few missions, recent and otherwise, where a Sue has pointed out agents, or the agents have been seen by the canons when they've done something to attention.
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These aren't the droids you're looking for... by
on 2014-07-03 17:36:00 UTC
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I don't think it's so much physical invisibility as it is a sort of cognitive "unnoticeability", where affected canons can still physically see the Agent, but are rendered incapable of considering them an entity of note. Basically, you would get situations of the form:
"Honey, do you know where I put my keys?"
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Now that would be funny to see in a story (nm) by
on 2014-07-03 18:59:00 UTC
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I think this works. (nm) by
on 2014-07-02 15:48:00 UTC
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That just about covers it. by
on 2014-07-02 14:50:00 UTC
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I think the first few steps are a little shaky: despite the in-universe fact that the PPC is situated within canon worlds, I still find the claim that that makes it part of canon very dubious from both an in-universe and an out-of-universe standpoint. OOU, I cringe at the thought of claiming we're so canon-loving and awesome that we can write ourselves into canon, and the canon thinks we're actually part of it. I know nobody's actually saying that, but it's really easy to get there from "the canon recognizes PPC plotholes as being part of itself." What, just because we claim we've got a tunnel under a mountain? Well, what about authors who claim they've got a whole country in there? Aren't their characters and associated plotholes then part of canon, too? ... It's a touch hypocritical.
IU, first of all, doesn't ACE keep us metaphysically separate despite the apparent physical connection? Also, what about worlds where the PPC doesn't have a bit of HQ stashed? Or are we assuming that there's at least one square meter of hallway in every conceivable universe throughout all of time? That also sounds rather dubious to me.
However, by the end of the logic train, I think we have a nice explanation for how things work that doesn't require us to make any special claims about our relationship to the multiverse. The canon-cloaking effect becomes more a technological illusion than a perk of being an awesome canon-loving PPCer, which I can live with.
Tangentially, feel like making a survey for the Board at large about how they use disguises, SEP fields, canon-cloaking, etc., and how they've seen those things used elsewhere? More data to base your theories on would be good, yes? I'd do it, but I'm working on something else at the moment, and I'm afraid it's very secret and mysterious, so I can't explain it right now. Hopefully I'll have something to show for myself in the next week or so, though. *g*
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Not quite 'makes it part of'. by
on 2014-07-03 09:01:00 UTC
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Or rather: instead of 'makes it part of the canon', I was going for 'makes it part of the canonical planet'. It... well, perhaps a diagram is easier. ;) (Note that I've tweaked a few things along the way - this version makes more sense!)
Now canon-cloaking is absolutely a technological illusion. Furthermore, based on Miah's evidence, it simply doesn't operate without the SEP/NP field in place. We can pin that on the canon being so strained that any 'visible' plothole - such as the existence of a PPC agent - is emphatically rejected. Only with an SEP in place does the canon 'accept' the existence of a channelled PPC plothole: the plothole is Nobody's Problem, just like native canonical plotholes, and thus can be ignored.
A survey is possible - but that 'etc' worries me. How many things should be included on this? Just the hiding-from-things stuff?
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Survey and SEP field usage by
on 2014-07-03 08:31:00 UTC
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An informal sort of thing, or a formal sort of thing?
I like the theory of how the the PPC SEP fields function. Nobody's Problem is a cool idea.
On SEP fields in slightly unusual circumstances, In Kelok and Unger's first mission, Kelok is stabbed by the Stu and his flash patch is sliced through, resulting in a malfunction. He is seen immediately by the next canon character he encounters while Unger isn't seen until Unger does something that draws attention to himself.
They were both in disguises at the time, and that hadn't stopped working for Kelok, since the canons still saw him as a human, just a filthy, bleeding one who should not be in their house.
In one Miah and Cali mission that was set on modern Earth, they disguise as janitors and directly mention the whole blending in thing.
"Janitors?” Miah said, disdainfully tugging on the uniform shirt. "Why not nurses?”
"Haven’t you ever paid attention to the movies? No one ever notices the janitors in a hospital setting.”
Miah pointed toward the wisps of bright blue hair that had escaped the confines of Cali’s uniform hat. "They might when the janitor in question has hair like that.” She felt the back of her own hair. "You changed my hair to short, but left yours blue? You are so not setting the disguises next time. I can’t believe I let you set them this time.” She scratched her head.
"For the thousandth time! The lice came and went with the homeless person disguise!” He paused to scratch his own head, realized what he was doing and shrugged. -
Survey and SEP field usage by
on 2014-07-03 08:31:00 UTC
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An informal sort of thing, or a formal sort of thing?
I like the theory of how the the PPC SEP fields function. Nobody's Problem is a cool idea.
On SEP fields in slightly unusual circumstances, In Kelok and Unger's first mission, Kelok is stabbed by the Stu and his flash patch is sliced through, resulting in a malfunction. He is seen immediately by the next canon character he encounters while Unger isn't seen until Unger does something that draws attention to himself.
They were both in disguises at the time, and that hadn't stopped working for Kelok, since the canons still saw him as a human, just a filthy, bleeding one who should not be in their house.
In one Miah and Cali mission that was set on modern Earth, they disguise as janitors and directly mention the whole blending in thing.
"Janitors?” Miah said, disdainfully tugging on the uniform shirt. "Why not nurses?”
"Haven’t you ever paid attention to the movies? No one ever notices the janitors in a hospital setting.”
Miah pointed toward the wisps of bright blue hair that had escaped the confines of Cali’s uniform hat. "They might when the janitor in question has hair like that.” She felt the back of her own hair. "You changed my hair to short, but left yours blue? You are so not setting the disguises next time. I can’t believe I let you set them this time.” She scratched her head.
"For the thousandth time! The lice came and went with the homeless person disguise!” He paused to scratch his own head, realized what he was doing and shrugged.
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Having conducted a quick'n'dirty terms search... by
on 2014-07-01 21:25:00 UTC
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Some interesting excerpts from the logs of RC 999:
Mission 3 - Explicit mention of canon-cloaking:
Woman and Andalite turned to see the Weyrleader himself cresting the stairs. Ilraen hid himself behind the dragon, sensing that the presence of a blue alien was not going to be helpful at this time. What was left of the canon helpfully cloaked him in obscurity once more.
Mission 4 - A mention of the SEP field where I probably should have used canon-cloaking:
"This does nae seem tae be the right place," he said, a note of panic in his voice. He had just realized that he was standing mere feet behind Arthas Menethil, the Lich King. He motioned for Nume to be quiet and slowly edged toward the door.
Nume followed more casually, poking crossly at the RA. Not being familiar with the Warcraft Universe, he didn't appreciate the gravity of the situation, and he trusted the SEP field to keep them from notice.
And, not strictly related, but here's me making use of something else that I'm pretty sure got made up for the tech glossary:
"Also," Nume added, "there's a bit of technology in the uniform that specifically keeps canonical beings from re-assimilating with their continuum of origin, should they go there on a mission. It wouldn't do to have agents wandering off to take part in canonical events because they suddenly think they're random bit-characters again. Just think of the continuum contamination if they got killed, in uniform, with their PPC gear on."
Mission 5 - On blending in vs. canonical killing:
On the other side [of the portal], the three experienced a moment of confusion as they suddenly changed from their previous forms to elves. Nume, seeming at home in a Noldorin guise, had been waiting for them with his DORKS, which was currently a jar of jam.
"No need to stress the canon more than necessary by having orcs in Rivendell, with the shape it's in," he said in smug explanation.
Sticking out despite attempting to blend in (and getting away with it):
Despite the presence of four random Elves lurking in the hallway, one of whom was smoking a Sobranie, neither of the thoroughly brainwashed canons appeared to even notice them. They wandered past, and since their dialogue and actions weren't defined, the two of them were practically sleepwalking with jaws slack and eyes blank.
Not being noticed when they really should have been but for extenuating circumstances:
"You know, this is weird. We shouldn't be able to do this kind of stuff! We're twenty-five feet away and the Stu didn't even blink!"
Indeed, Archir appeared not to have noticed any of it. Galadriel was still cuddling him and rubbing circles on his back, which was admittedly something that would've distracted anybody, but the thrashing homicidal maniac normally would've attracted some attention.
Suicide glanced up at the Words and shook his head. "He's busy," he said bluntly. "Haven't you noticed? Every time we've made a disruption, he's been busy nestling up against some incredibly powerful canon. He's . . . feeding, or something."
Mission 6.1 - Being noticed appropriately and rolling with it:
After being dismissed, Alex and his two supposed partners stepped into the elevator. Orken jumped in after them, followed by Thomas the agent and Ilraen. The Sue gave him a suspicious look.
Orken straightened his tie and effected a thoroughly awful British accent. "We're security. Don't want anything to happen to you before this very important mission you're going on."
The Sue nodded. "Very good! I'm glad to see that nothing will get in our way of defeating Voldemort."
And an explicit mention of the SEP field at work:
The three agents clambered aboard the Hogwarts Express, eliciting a few puzzled looks from random students who weren't used to seeing adults on the train at all, let alone in Muggle suits. However, the looks slid off them as soon as they landed thanks to the combination of the Sue's presence changing things to accommodate the idea and their own SEP fields.
Mission 7 - Hiding in plain sight with help from the SEP field when there's no canon to rely on:
With Nume in the lead, the agents crossed one by one into the Word World of the story. They found themselves in a Generic Room, featureless except for one window and a bed. They could see through the window that "the sky was blue out." In the bed, there were two people, one of whom was stirring under the covers. There was nowhere to hide and no canon background to blend in with, so the PPCers clustered in a corner and kept still, relying on their Somebody Else's Problem fields to keep them from being noticed.
And one from RC 1110, Mission 3 - The SEP field noted likely to be ineffective:
He crept forward and slipped down into the dell, careful to disturb the ground as little as possible. With the hobbits and Vanyagorn on high alert, his SEP field wouldn't stand up to so much as a hard look in his direction.
Apart from these snippets, there's generally a lot of sneaking around, keeping their distance, finding cover, and/or blending in with the background, the success of which isn't explicitly attributed to either the canon or the SEP field.
I leave it to someone else to analyze this and determine what, if anything, it means.
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Thank you for that. by
on 2014-07-01 21:43:00 UTC
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It seems like your explicit mentions of the SEP field barely distinguish it from the canon-cloaking, except in Mission 7 (where, I note, one of the two characters in question is a canon - and did you consider hiding them under the bed? [Ducks]).
My other question/ponderance is: how widely-known are the SEP fields? I mean among agents, not writers. Because the situation - entirely apart from how they actually work - seems to be one of the following:
-The agents mostly don't know about them, which is why Jay and Acy don't mention them. They were invented/adapted by Makes-Things waaay back in the day (they're mentioned in Origins 9), and have been used ever since.
-The agents are generally aware of them, which strongly suggests they didn't exist in J&A's time, and were brought in to compensate for the further weakening of canon. That would necessitate a minor edit to Origins, but that's okay.
Frustratingly not helping either way is Peter's breakdown in Swansong. He claims that:
'Everyone except us has all kinds of wiring under those things. They say it’s an SEP generator, but I don’t believe it. It’s a contact neuralyser, designed to wipe people’s brains the instant they realize what’s going on.'
(Which, duh, is obviously crazy, though I seem to recall people thinking that I was using the person having a psychotic episode to retcon it...)
... but doesn't clarify whether 'they say' refers to the Flowers or the agents.
So is there a clear consensus or conspiracy of silence in the missions? Or should I just edit Origins and leave the question open?
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Re: Thank you for that. by
on 2014-07-03 09:00:00 UTC
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Maybe the agents being largely aware of them is just something that has happened over time? They existed in the time of TOS, but no one much knew about them. PPC tech in general was more restricted and mysterious at that time, I think.
Over time the agents who knew about it told others who told others and it slowly snowballed into a pretty general knowledge.
I always thought of my first agents knowing about it from the beginning, but they don't actually mention it directly until their 7th mission. The same one they are janitors in. (Agent Miah means with a tranquilizer when she says this, btw)
"I’d shoot you, but then I’d have to write the charge list,” Miah replied, patting her holstered tranquilizer dart gun.
Cali smirked at her. "Suuuure you would. People in HQ might not notice someone dragging a body wrapped in a sheet around the halls, but I bet it would break the SEP field here. Uh, how far ahead did you read on this?”
It's mentioned in the first mission for Kelok and Unger, but not explained, just mentioned as if it is assumed to be common knowledge.
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Re: I think I can shed some light on the SEP field. by
on 2014-07-01 18:01:00 UTC
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It does help if it is simply unreliable against Sues. As in don't move, don't speak above a whisper, they might overlook you if the narration doesn't call for them to notice you.
Kinda like this video. http://www.theinvisiblegorilla.com/gorilla_experiment.html I get frustrated and stop counting, so my perception widens.
I view it as hiding because the Sue might not be distracted with whatever she's thinking about. Being out in the open is a gamble that might work. Shouting or other things that get attention just throw the odds against you... kinda like how acting sneaky will draw attention, but not sneaking might let you sneak by. -
Re: Yeah, that shouldn't be happening. by
on 2014-07-01 16:00:00 UTC
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Basically I think that it works on Rule of Funny.
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All four of them caught their breath. The scene had abruptly shifted into the Sue’s room, and she was lying on her bed, gazing at a notebook--barely two feet from any of their heads. Silently, like burglars inches from being caught in the act, the group picked itself up and shuffled to the other side of the room.
Silas hissed, as soon as he dared to breathe again. “Charging for unmarked scene shifts and endangering Agents.”
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... which shows an SEP field (not) working, as expected. by
on 2014-07-01 16:14:00 UTC
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The Sue is reading a notebook. The reason the agents go unnoticed is that she's so absorbed in it that she doesn't look up. They then move as silently as possible to the far side of the room - presumably into some form of unmentioned cover. 'Silas hissed, as soon as he dared to breathe again'; he didn't dare breathe because doing so might have made the Sue look up - and them being in her bedroom might have been difficult to explain!
Yes, it somewhat strains credibility that they could pop into existence two feet from someone and she'd not notice - that's where Rule of Funny comes in, because having them sneak away in terror, and Mary being so absorbed and/or oblivious that she still doesn't notice them - is funnier than them simply appearing on the far side of the room. But there are few-to-no situations where appealing to the Rule of Funny would justify making agents invisible to a Sue. How would it? If someone can't see you, you don't interact with them - that's less funny, not more.
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Jay and Acacia managed it. :P (nm) by
on 2014-07-03 05:52:00 UTC
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Two things. by
on 2014-07-01 04:45:00 UTC
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The first, is - well, yes, the canon should ignore the agents. They don't exist in the Words, and so therefore, unless they draw attention to themselves, it shouldn't matter what species they are.
For the parts where they do need to interact with the canon, as well as simply to make sure they avoid attracting attention by their very existence, there are Disguise Generators. Jay and Acacia basically became orcs (or Uruk Hai, I forget) for one mission. -
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on 2014-07-01 04:43:00 UTC
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A Thousand apologies
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I've got a PPC Question by
on 2014-07-01 04:41:00 UTC
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What happens if your agents go into a world that is populated by things that want to kill you? Do they ignore you like the rest of the canon? Or does something else happen? I was mainly thinking about the Attack On Titan (which I LOVE) where the Titans are driven by their need to feed on human flesh. Or Walkers from the walking dead- which I know nothing about. I feel like keeping theese threats In mind would add to the suspense of the mission.
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Meddling time travellers by
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(And the pop culture they clearly caused)
There are some things in modern pop culture that seem to stick out as basically inexplicable. Things which happened, or didn't happen, for no discernable reason. Well, this is the thread that explains it all:
Time travellers.
Meddling time travellers.
Yes, when things seem to make no sense, the only possible explanation is violation of causality. A few examples from me:
-The cancellation of Firefly. Why was there never a second season? Simple: time travellers. In the timeline where there was a Season 2, it was excruciatingly bad - so time travellers came back and stopped it being made.
-And of course, the next logical step: the later seasons of Heroes and Lost. Shows which were absolutely brilliant until their sudden cancellation, so time travellers came back to ensure they continued - only to discover that it would have been better for them to stay dead.
-The revival of Doctor Who. Hey, I never said they were all bad things. Despite its popularity now, back in '05 there was no reason to think 'that show with Colin Baker in a stupid coat' would ever be a success again - except time travellers.
-Tolkien's inability to publish anything after LotR. This is actually a failure of time travellers. Originally, Tolkien finished a bunch of minor works - The Lost Road, The Notion Club Papers, maybe even The Lay of Leithian, Tal-Elmar, and The New Shadow. But some meddling time traveller couldn't stand the fact that all this publication prevented him from working on the full Silmarillion, so went back and changed his priorities - only to give us the 'worst of both worlds', where J.R.R. didn't get anything to publication quality.
-Our current fascination with comic book movies. This one actually deserves a trailer monologue:
In the darkness of the future, an increasingly bitter and jaded world needs a hero. But not just any hero - they need a superhero. There's only one problem: such characters are the creations of comic books, and the great publishing houses which wrought them folded long ago.
Now, the world's last comic book geek must undertake a perilous mission. Diving into the deep past, into the very first days of the twenty-first century, she must rescue the comics industry. To save the future, she must preserve the popularity of superheroes - no matter what the cost.
It's the only explanation that makes sense! And I have no doubt that you can find more examples... ;)
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It is now my goal in life to become one... by
on 2014-07-02 22:52:00 UTC
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...of these time travellers. I will go and make J.K. Rowling write more Harry Potter> books and it will be absolute...ly.. ama...zing...
Nope, changed my mind. I don't want to risk a repeat of Lost. I guess some things are better left untouched.
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For the Firefly one... by
on 2014-07-02 18:19:00 UTC
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Does that take into account all the ways Firefly has continued anyway? Now there's comics, a video game, the two tabletop RPGs... it's not on TV any more but it's still going strong.
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Similar to Firefly... by
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The original Star Trek and Farscape both went through similar ordeals of cancellation due to low Nielsen ratings, massive fan outcry, and partial revival. TOS got syndicated (I think is the word), and the popularity of the reruns led to movies and the launch of the gigantic franchise we know today. FS got a two-part miniseries and continuation in a line of comics. There are reports of a Farscape movie in the early stages of development, too, but I'll get excited about that when there are actual trailers. Anyway, clearly more time travelers are responsible!
In the case of TOS, I think the time travelers came back to make sure Star Trek lived. In the alternate timeline where it faded into obscurity, the ground it broke didn't stay broke, and the world became a lot less awesome.
As for Farscape, it's possible that we were saved from a really terrible fifth season—things did get pretty weird in the fourth, even by Farscape standards. However, I think it's more likely that it was sabotage. Instead of FS season five, we got more Stargate: SG-1 with Ben Browder and Claudia Black poached from their otherbetterroles. Clearly our time traveler was a Stargate fanboy with dastardly designs. Frell you, unknown Stargate fanboy! To Hezmana with you and all your offspring!
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Re: Similar to Firefly... by
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I'm going to omit stating that I'm still just a touch bitter (just a touch) that Stargate: SG-1 ended at all, since that will obviously cause problems. Who am I to talk, I've only seen a season and a half of Farscape.
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Moving on.
Clearly all the Stargate movies and the two spinoffs were due to the same fanboy (girl?).
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I like this. by
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It as least gives me an explanation and a reason to cling to about Firefly whenever I watch it and wail for the fact we never got to see more... and the deaths in the Big Damn Movie.
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One creepy example. by
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But first, I just wanted to challenge your assertion that [This paragraph contains a hopeless Lost fanboy defending the later seasons of Lost. For the benefit of everyone involved, it has been automatically excised by internet protocol 4815162342. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.] And the video game was awesome, too!
Anyway, I wanted to talk about was a particular novella. It was written by Morgan Robertson, about a humongous ocean liner that smashes into an iceberg in the middle of an April night while sailing from England to New York. Unfortunately, people had been so sure of the massive ship's indestructibility, it hadn't been equipped with nearly enough lifeboats, and many lives were lost.
If only people had paid better attention to the story when it was published in 1898. Alas, Robertson's attempt at time travel wasn't enough to prevent the RMS Titanic disaster fourteen years later.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futility,_or_the_Wreck_of_the_Titan
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That is fascinating and creepy. by
on 2014-07-02 16:42:00 UTC
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It also reminds me of a theory (most likely a joke) that the Titanic was sunk because of the amount of time travelers trying to save it.
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More recently by
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Maybe "Little Did She Know She'd Kissed a Hero" wouldn't have created if not for a time traveler who was willing to die to create a ray of hope.
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No, but it did work. by
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Just, y'know, not as well as he wanted it to.
Check out Chapter 7: the Titan hits the iceberg and sinks with all hands, except anyone who was on the bridge at the time (which appears to be two people). The ship goes down in all of five paragraphs.
Contrast that with the Titanic, which lazed about on the surface for nearly three hours. Titan killed all 3000 people aboard her; Titanic let more than 700 go home.
It's not a lot better, admittedly - but without the time travel, it would surely* have been worse.
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I heard that once a long time ago... by
on 2014-07-01 21:16:00 UTC
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Yeah, creepy, dude. That shows you that we should all pay lots of attention to fiction!
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That's beyond creepy. (nm) by
on 2014-07-01 21:10:00 UTC
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I'm starting a PbP RP thing! by
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The University of Cascadia is looking for new students, faculty, and otherwise! It's a relatively serious superheroes-at-college setting, with plenty of space for Secret Identity drama, roommate drama, and awesomeness.
Along with checking out the (very empty) forums, you can also jump straight in to The Setting Guide, get a quick Orientation to the Campus, or bother us in real time. Or all three. We aren't picky! -
Sounds great! by
on 2014-07-03 11:41:00 UTC
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I do have a question (about a Marvel-verse OC I'd like to adapt), but I'm not entirely sure where to ask it. (I've been informed that, due to timezone differences, you tend to be on the mibbit chat at a time that's several hours past midnight for me). Is email or something similar a possibility?
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The joys of time zones... by
on 2014-07-03 16:07:00 UTC
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You can absolutely E-mail me or poke me via gtalk - in either case, I am techno.dann@gmail.com
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Ooh... by
on 2014-07-02 11:04:00 UTC
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Looks interesting, been a while since I've been in a good character based RP as well.
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Mirror, mirror by
on 2014-07-02 09:15:00 UTC
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I have been bouncing around the idea of my currently work in progress agent having a small hand mirror that changes his face, hair, and hair color. Obviously it won't replace the disguise generator and will probably only be used for comedic purposes. The mirror itself is quasi-canonical to the Adventure Quest continua. There is a mirror that does that but there is seemingly only one, it is much bigger, and the changes would only ever be temporary unlike the full sized one.
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Why? by
on 2014-07-02 16:14:00 UTC
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Well, comedic purposes might work. Is there a reason to use that instead of the DORKS?
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Well by
on 2014-07-02 22:16:00 UTC
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The DORKS would probably be far more affective than most things if one knows how to use it correctly. Of course if I go with my agent being woefully incompetent with technology would result in the situations where it becomes necessary would increase.
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And now, for the return of A Troupe By Any Other Name! by
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Beware the Ides of March: PPC’s Shakespeare Troupe Celebrates March 15 with Gallifreyan Julius Caesar
Nita Incog, Editor-In-Chief and Stand-In Critic for Stan Grayson, Who Came Down With a Bad Case of Lungworm and Couldn’t Go to the Performance We Got Tickets For
4.5/5 stars
dir. John Naki
March 15 – May 30, Saturdays at 7PM
A Troupe By Any Other Name, the PPC’s own Shakespearean acting company—or in their own words, a “loose confederation of directors who wrangle various Agents into doing Shakespeare”—celebrated the Ides of March by opening a production of Julius Caesar set on Gallifrey. The tragedy follows the story of Marcus Brutus and how he is led to his own downfall when he joins the conspiracy to kill Julius Caesar, the dictator of Rome.
This Gallifreyan Caesar opens on the eve of the Time War, with a Caesar who greatly resembles Rassilon, the real-life leader of the Time Lords around the time of the Time War. However, the play diverts from the actual events of the Time War when Brutus and the conspirators, most notable amongst them Caius Cassius, assassinate Rassilon-Caesar in the Panopticon of the Gallifreyan Capitol. The events that unfold afterwards spark a different kind of Time War, after Mark Antony incites the citizens of Gallifrey to seek revenge against Brutus and Cassius for their fallen leader. After this, the play turns its focus from conspiracy to atonement, set against the chaos of this new Time Lord civil war.
The performances of Brutus and Cassius in the first half of the play seem cold and distant at times, if not slightly wooden, but this changes dramatically during the infamous ‘tent scene’ in Act IV scene iii, when the two of them have an argument. Here, Cassius’s acting in particular begins to shine and take on a very passionate (if not slightly personal) air. I personally felt transported along the same emotions that Cassius experiences in this moment, enjoying the catharsis that the scene affords them and Brutus. It could even be said that for these two actors, art imitates life.
The Gallifreyan setting will pleasantly surprise those who may fear that it will overwhelm the plot of the play, as it only serves in this production to highlight the political destruction wreaked on both Gallifrey and Rome by the actions of these characters. The only real distraction are the funny collars, which do briefly detract from some of the more emotionally powerful moments of the play. Audiences will also be delighted to see familiar Time Lord faces in the cast, as practically all of the Time Lord Agents in HQ are in this cast. Particularly amusing amongst them is the Fisherman’s (DF) brief poetic cameo just before the curtain call, with a couple other minor characters by his side.
The curtain call and costume reveal will also surprise and, in some cases, delight the audience. Particularly striking is the casting choice for Brutus, who is not a Time Lord and yet perfectly suited to the character’s honourable nature. Another interesting casting choice is for the minor character Titinius, whose actor did not even show up for curtain call. Who is Titinius? Who plays Titinius? Perhaps future performances will reveal them to us, but as of now they remain as mysterious and plothole-esque as their character.
Julius Caesar will run until May 30th, and I highly recommend you wrangle some free time from your missions to catch it, even if it’s only to see the Time Lord Agents stabbing each other on the stage.
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Comments
Cale Serfe, DF – 15 March 2014
While Brutus and Cassius are, of course, played very well, I couldn’t help but be, well, disappointed at the lack of kissing. I mean, would it have killed them to hold hands for a few minutes, at the very least? All they did was hug each other and cry! The tent scene should’ve merited a scorching kiss, at the very least. I’m sure everyone else is as disappointed as I am, and perhaps there’ll be a change to come in the next performance...
Elysa Webber, DO – 15 March 2014
You know, when Cassius first came onstage and started to speak—especially in that first scene with Brutus—I felt sure that the casting had been a complete failure. I mean, the ‘I pray you, do’ line alone—not to mention what follows—well, it came out completely wooden, and the rest of the scene wasn't much better. I got no sense that Cassius wanted to be around Brutus at all, let alone be his friend! Brutus himself was only slightly better: he called Cassius friend with more anger and resentment than anything else, and spent most of the scene looking frustrated or blank. Cassius, too, found some resentment and frustration, somewhere around the first ‘flourish and shout’, and even managed to dredge up some fury around ‘I was born as free as Caesar’. That, coupled with the occasional menacing looks at Rassilon Caesar, was the best thing I could see in Cassius’ acting for quite some time. And though Cassius’ hatred of Caesar is a strong and necessary part of the play, it can be argued that his love for Brutus must be stronger still; and I didn’t see much sign of the latter in the first scene!
But Cassius—played by the Time Lord called the Reader—proved herself later on. You’ve probably heard people ranting about how great the tent scene was; well, I’m about to join them, because that was the moment I truly felt the casting had been entirely accurate. Such emotion! Such anger, such desperation—and such reconciliation! I truly felt that I was watching something real—and, considering that Kozar (Brutus) and the Reader (Cassius) are rumored to have been having a tough time of things since the Reader replaced Kozar’s partner, I think it's entirely possible that it was real, and that we saw both a real fight and a real truce/reconciliation happening on stage today.
With luck, Kozar and the Reader will be more willing to get into character earlier on in the play, now that they've shared so moving a hug. And even if they don’t—the tent scene alone makes watching the play worthwhile. (But don't even get me started on Calpurnia! And the completely uncanonical attempted stabbing of Mark Antony—well, let's just say Time Lord politics are pretty amusing!)
All in all—a wonderful production. See it as soon as you can!
Maura Scott, DoSAT – 15 March 2014
Really dug the Fisherman and Evie both playing characters called Cinna. That was pretty funny.
Christianne Shieh, DMS – 16 March 2014
STOP SPOILING ALL THE PARTS. IT’LL RUIN THE PLAY FOR EVERYONE.
Officer Rooney, DOI – 16 March 2014
Hey, Chriss! You were really good as the Soothsayer!
Christianne Shieh, DMS – 16 March 2014
Thanks!
Edgar Sullivan, DIC – 16 March 2014
I liked the play pretty well, overall, though the sudden reveal of Luxury and Jacques Bonnefoy as the actors playing Portia and Calpurnia respectively was... rather disturbing. Mostly because they were snogging at the time. Bonnefoy was definitely hilarious as Calpurnia, though.
Nerys Carpenter, DO – 16 March 2014
That was hilarious! I really liked the Portia/Calpurnia scene at the end, though. It basically starts with Cal coming onstage going all “I told him, ‘Julie, don’t go’!” and then she bumps into Portia, who giggles and smiles and holds out a hand, and Cal considers it for all of two seconds before shrugging, tearing off her giant mourning collar, and snogging Portia. And then about half a minute in someone realized they weren’t about to stop anytime soon and just removed the disguises. Seriously, even though it turned out to be just Bonnefoy and Lux being their usual selves, I think I might ship Portia/Calpurnia now.
Luxury, DBS – 16 March 2014
Thank you! xoxo I liked the CalPortia scene too!! ;)
Jacques Bonnefoy, ESAS – 16 March 2014
Wanna meet up and continue it? ;))))
Christianne Shieh, DMS – 16 March 2014
Get a room, you two.
Jacques Bonnefoy, ESAS – 16 March 2014
Thanks, we will!!! ;)))
Luxury, DBS – 16 March 2014
Sounds like a plan!!!!! ;))))
Christianne Shieh, DMS – 16 March 2014
-facepalms-
The Agent, DIC – 16 March 2014
Don’t we all agree that Morgan was perfect as Rassilon-Caesar?
Geoffrey Carver, DOI – 16 March 2014
Agreed! She was wonderful as Pinterest and Stratosphere, too. You were also really good as Trombone!
The Disentangler, DIC – 16 March 2014
I think you meant Pindarus, Strato, and Trebonius. Thanks anyway.
The Disentangler, DIC – 16 March 2014
Get off my account, Agent.
Fearn, DTO – 16 March 2014
YOU TIME LORDS ARE SO DYSFUNCTIONAL THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO STAB EACH OTHER. RASSILON-CAESAR REGENERATING INTO PINDARUS AND STRATO AMUSED ME GREATLY. CLEARLY THIS PRODUCTION IS PROOF OF THE SUPERIORITY OF THE DALEKS.
Kate Lynn, DoDAEG – 16 March 2014
That was a wonderful adaptation of Julius Caesar. It was my favourite play in high school and to see it done by my fellow Agents was a real treat. Though, I do notice that the Time Lord actors really can’t seem to find a separation between their onstage and offstage drama, since Casca (the Disentangler) tried to stab Mark Antony (the Notary) halfway through Act III and had to be dragged off by Trebonius (the Agent).
John Naki, DoDAEG – 16 March 2014
I told them at every single rehearsal that they needed to stop bickering all the time, but noooooo...
Officer Rooney, DOI – 17 March 2014
Hey, Naki, could you tell us who played Titinius? I’ve got a bet with Jeeves that they’re actually a Gary Stu, given the way they got Cassius to die for them.
T’Lyra, DAVD – 17 March 2014
Only Cassius was affected by his Aura, not anyone else. Titinius cannot be a Stu.
Brenda Loringham, DMS – 17 March 2014
You’re right about Titinius, Rooney, everything he does in the play just screams of Stu! He randomly appears out of nowhere in act IV, says basically nothing until his death scene in act V, and yet apparently he’s Cassius’s best friend who loves him—a title that I could’ve sworn was Brutus’s—and somehow important enough for Cassius to commit suicide over him. If he came up on my console, I would charge and kill him so hard.
T’Lyra, DAVD – 17 March 2014
This lack of lines is precisely why he cannot be a Stu. A Stu would take over the entire play. Titinius is simply a plothole in the background.
T’Zar, DOGA – 17 March 2014
Indeed. While he does possess various Stu-like characteristics, he is simply not sufficiently prevalent to be a true Gary Stu.
Dawn McKenna, DMS – 17 March 2014
Like Agent Kate Lynn, Julius Caesar was one of my favourite plays as a kid. I was especially delighted by the choice of the Fisherman as Cinna the Poet—he took to it with such enthusiasm, and even led an army of poets onstage just before the curtain call! Cinna the Conspirator (Evie)’s participation in that particular scene was pretty hilarious.
I could go on and on about all of this—Jacques as Calpurnia, the Notary’s butchering of Mark Antony (just kidding, that definitely had its moments), Brutus and Cassius (believe me, I had no idea my ex-partner could act so well!)—but I want to express my ... well, confusion, really, about a certain character: Titinius. He had almost no lines, came out of nowhere, and became Cassius’ best friend! It made very little sense, honestly. And not only that—the actor who played him never turned up for the casting reveal! What exactly is going on with that?
Who is Titinius? Where did he come from? And who played him?
Gurnirel, SIELU – 18 March 2014
I enjoyed the performance; however, I cannot help but wonder how different our own history might have been shaped had there only been put into action a plot to stab Morgoth while we yet resided in Valinor. Fëanáro could perhaps have been a worthy Cassius.
Naergondir, SIELU – 18 March 2014
And yet, sister, I believe that Morgoth—then Melkor—would have been more suited, indeed, for the role of Cassius. For did he not turn Fëanáro’s mind to jealousy concerning the Silmarilli, and thus ensure the downfall of the Two Trees and of the Ñoldor? Melkor's tongue could sway one such as a Fëanáro: hot of temper, sharp of mind, and never-straying once plighted to his course.
Gurnirel, SIELU – 18 March 2014
It may well be, brother, but who then would be Caesar? Perhaps Finwë?
Naergondir, SIELU – 18 March 2014
Perhaps. Although I would indeed name Nolofinwë in his father's stead; for Fëanáro loved him not. And still more, dear sister: Julius Caesar deals not with the turning of a son against a father, and thus Finwë Caesar I would not cast. Hamlet, perhaps, could see such casting...
Eledhwen Elerossiel, DMS – 18 March 2014
If the two of you wish to see a production of Julius Caesar set in Arda, please discuss this with the members of A Troupe By Any Other Name in RC 1564 and/or Cubicle 221B Bakery Avenue.
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Notes: Thank you to DawnFire for helping me with this! Apologies to basically everyone who’s created a Time Lord Agent for wrangling them into the production without permission, but if you’re not okay with it, we can just consider it a reporting error (they had another disguise under their disguise. or something).
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Re: And now, for the return of A Troupe By Any Other Name! by
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I didn't know the PPC had an acting troupe! Next time, I will find tickets!
This was awesome. I actually thought for a few minutes that it was real and I was so disappointed that I hadn't heard of it. You did a fantastic job! Good for you! -
Genius. by
on 2014-07-04 02:41:00 UTC
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This is very, very amusing. Fake PPC advertisements and playbills and other stuff like this is great, and I feel like more things of this nature should exist. Really makes HQ feel like a real city or town as opposed to just a headquarters.
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That was hilarious. ^-^ by
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Though whether casting Morgan as Caessilon serves as a warning to her should she abuse her power as Tigereye Castellan, or a subtle encouragement to her should she attempt to gain supreme power... sure, she was forced to regenerate - but then she got to kill the two people who killed her!
(It is very tempting to start TekTek'ing up cast images at this point... curse you)
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I'm gonna make like Cassius and be a bad influence... by
on 2014-07-04 08:56:00 UTC
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...doooooo eeeeeeet. Give us cast pictures.
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Seconding that. by
on 2014-07-04 09:32:00 UTC
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(also, I may have ended up with a pair of sketches yesterday. Thinking up potential costumes is fun!
You should try it, hS!)
And yes, I will post those at some point.
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Oh, all right, then. by
on 2014-07-07 15:43:00 UTC
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And a transcript from the dress rehearsal. Act 1, Scene 2:
(Flourish. Enter Caesar; Antony, for the course; Calpurnia, Portia,
Decius, Cicero, Brutus, Cassius, and Casca; a great crowd follows,
among them a Soothsayer.)
CAESAR. Calpurnia!
CASCA. Peace, ho! Caesar speaks.
(Music ceases.)
FIRST COMMONER. Who are you calling a-?
CAESAR. Calpurnia!
CALPURNIA. Here... my lady.
CAESAR. Stand you directly in Antonia's way,
When she doth run her course. Antonia!
ANTONY. Ugh. Yes, ‘my lady’?
CAESAR. Forget not in your speed, Antonia,
To touch Calpurnia, for our elders say
The barren, touched in this holy chase,
Shake off their sterile curse.
CALPURNIA. You know, I’m standing right here.
ANTONY. I shall remember.
When Caesar says "Do this," it is perform'd,
Whatever the rest of us might wish.
CAESAR. Set on, and leave no ceremony out.
And stop moaning about it. (Flourish.)
SOOTHSAYER. Caesar!
CAESAR. Ha! Who calls?
CASCA. Bid every noise be still. Peace yet again!
THE COMMONERS. Make your mind up!
CAESAR. Who is it in the press that calls on me?
I hear a tongue, shriller than all the music,
Cry "Caesar." Speak, Caesar is turn'd to hear.
SOOTHSAYER. Beware the ides of March.
CAESAR. What man is that?
SOOTHSAYER. I’m a woman, good grief.
Nor is my voice ‘shrill’, thank you.
BRUTUS. A soothsayer bids you beware the ides of March.
CAESAR. Set him before me let me see his face.
SOOTHSAYER. Her face.
CASSIUS. Fellow, come from the throng; look upon Caesar.
CAESAR. What say'st thou to me now? Speak once again.
SOOTHSAYER. Beware the ides of March.
CAESAR. He is a dreamer; let us leave him. Pass.
SOOTHSAYER. Really? You still can’t tell I’m female?
(Sennet. Exeunt all but Brutus and Cassius.)
I have a handful of other pictures... actually, since they don't need collars, I can post these two now:
Caesar's revenge. ;)
If someone can give me visual guidance for Kozar and Bonnefoy, I think I can round out the cast images one way or another. Also, did Eledhwen play anyone? I can't imagine she didn't, with her partner involved...
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You're perf. by
on 2014-07-08 08:50:00 UTC
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Actually, I don't think we had Eledhwen playing anyone. I'm just going to sneakily cast her as one of the conspirators. Probably either Decius Brutus or Metellus Cimber, and probably doubled with either Flavius or Marullus.
Also laughing at the dress rehearsal. Usually people keep the language (I recently watched a genderswapped High School AU of this play and I laughed every time male!Portia called himself Brutus's wife) of the original, but this is hilarious.
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It's something of an artistic choice. by
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Given the way you've described the play, it's fairly obvious that the agents were in full disguise, including their faces. But that would be boring! So I decided to turn it into what's more of a fusion crossover - as if the actors were actually in the positions of the characters they play. So they're just themselves in funny costumes, and refer to themselves with the correct pronouns, and so forth.
That's also why I defined it as being the (or a) dress rehearsal. Partly so I wasn't claiming the actual play was this incredibly disrupted, and partly so that you could claim they decided to go for full disguises later.
I'll go with Metellus Cimber & Flavius for Eledhwen, as per your and Dawn's suggestions. Did Christianne double up as anyone? Oh, lawks, I see she flirted with Lux in II:IV...
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Fair 'Nuff. by
on 2014-07-08 15:19:00 UTC
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I liked it, and that should count for something at least, right?
Christianne doubled as Artemidorus, which gives her role in Act III a lot of editing to make sense. But I've seen it done, so.
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Kozar looks like a TOS-era Klingon, ie, without forehead ridges. Which...would actually work well for this production, since we were thinking anyone who didn't look like a Time Lord would be disguised to look like one.
Jacques, however, very much does look like Jack Harkness, being as he's a former character replacement. While he tends to wear black military dress, he's...kind of in a dress and a wig for this role, I think. Or at least, that's how I drew him. Although it's also been stated that there was a disguise generator involved...maybe that was used for the hair?
...actually, for Kozar: here, have an advance viewing of the tektek I made for when I get his wiki page up. It's quite possibly his hair should be darker, but that's what I ended up with. Just kind of...take that, and think Klingon.and put him in a toga or Gallifreyan robes.
As for Eledhwen, I can confirm (after searching through the chat log) that we did not have her playing anyone. And I think she should be Metellus Cimber and doubled with Flavius, but I'm going by 'cool name' for the first one and 'speeches, yay!' for the second, so...whatever you prefer.
Also: Yon Cassius has a lean and hungry look; such Klingons are dangerous.
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I'd pick a scene for Casca to go after Antony, but I have near-zero knowledge of the play, and can't find one easily. ;) So instead...
Act III, Scene II (an excerpt)
SECOND CITIZEN. Peace! Let us hear what Antony can say.
ANTONY. You gentle Romans-
ALL. Peace, ho! Let us hear her.
ANTONY. Friends, Time Lords, Gallifreyans, lend me your ears!
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise her.
I mean, honestly, why would I ever do so?
PINDARUS. Seriously? What's with the burying?
I only regenerated; I'm standing right here.
SECOND CITIZEN. Weren't we going for 'peace'?
PINDARUS. Yes,
But then people started throwing insults around.
ANTONY. It's as I said: no praising here.
The evil that men do lives after them,
And continues ever to annoy their fellows;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Caesar. Particularly
The part about internment.
PINDARUS. Oh, come on!
ANTONY. The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious;
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answer'd it.
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest-
For Brutus is an honorable man;
So are they all, all honorable men-
BRUTUS. How is it, then,
That 'honour' on her lips can sound so foul?
CASSIUS. Remember of whom thou speakest?
'Honour' takes a lesser place in her thoughts
Than 'neatly filed' or 'triplicate'.
ANTONY. Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral.
She was my... acquaintance, faithful and just to me;
Or at least in moderation was she so;
But Brutus says she was ambitious,
And Brutus is an honorable man.
The lack of logic burns my very soul!
CASSIUS. Now that, I can believe.
ANTONY. He hath brought many captives to the Citadel,
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill.
Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept;
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious,
And Brutus is an honorable man.
And do I really need to keep going?
The holes in his thesis are wide enough
To drive a malfunctioning TARDIS through.
BRUTUS. Then if thou art done-
ANTONY. Oh, I think not.
You all did see that on the Lupercal
I thrice presented her a queenly crown,
Which she did thrice refuse. Was this ambition?
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious,
And sure he is an honorable man.
CASSIUS. Now hang on just a moment, that's not fair.
We all know to be king of Gallifrey
Was never Caesar's plan. She would hold out
For a far greater prize that one small world,
E'en though that world be, true, the best of all.
Who would be Empress should disdain to rule
As queen.
ANTONY. 'Noble' Cassius, enough!
I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love her once, not without cause;
What cause withholds you then to mourn for her?
PINDARUS. The fact that I am seriously not dead,
ANTONY. O judgement, thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar,
And I must pause till it come back to me.
PINDARUS. Wait, you're putting me in a coffin?
Can I go back and take that crown?
The lesson being: if Julius Caesar took place on Gallifrey, it would be twice as long.
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This is absolutely brilliant, and spot-on. by
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I vote Cinna the poet's scene is next: he's played by the Fisherman.
Also, Pindarus' involvement in this scene is pure genius/awesomeness/both. And now I can't help but wonder what would happen if the Doctor--especially Ten--were in this production.
...a lot of extra chattering, that's what. And much more science.
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For your reference, Casca's scenes are mostly Acts I and II. by
on 2014-07-08 08:54:00 UTC
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He does the first stab in Act III, but that's about it.
In act I, Casca's biggest thing is him giving Brutus and Cassius the deets on what happened after the Lupercal stuff that they missed, and in act II, Casca starts ranting about the weird dream he's had and how it must all be evil omens and stuff.
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Lily! I missed you by
on 2014-07-03 04:29:00 UTC
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-Attacks with a great big hug- You havn't been around much
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*applause* (nm) by
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That. Was perfect. (nm) by
on 2014-07-03 02:37:00 UTC
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Why is this not an actual thing. This should be a thing. by
on 2014-07-02 22:46:00 UTC
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You really put a lot of effort into this... Wow.
Seriously, though, I'm still waiting for this to become a thing.
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And now, for the return of A Troupe By Any Other Name! by
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Beware the Ides of March: PPC’s Shakespeare Troupe Celebrates March 15 with Gallifreyan Julius Caesar
Nita Incog, Editor-In-Chief and Stand-In Critic for Stan Grayson, Who Came Down With a Bad Case of Lungworm and Couldn’t Go to the Performance We Got Tickets For
4.5/5 stars
dir. John Naki
March 15 – May 30, Saturdays at 7PM
A Troupe By Any Other Name, the PPC’s own Shakespearean acting company—or in their own words, a “loose confederation of directors who wrangle various Agents into doing Shakespeare”—celebrated the Ides of March by opening a production of Julius Caesar set on Gallifrey. The tragedy follows the story of Marcus Brutus and how he is led to his own downfall when he joins the conspiracy to kill Julius Caesar, the dictator of Rome.
This Gallifreyan Caesar opens on the eve of the Time War, with a Caesar who greatly resembles Rassilon, the real-life leader of the Time Lords around the time of the Time War. However, the play diverts from the actual events of the Time War when Brutus and the conspirators, most notable amongst them Caius Cassius, assassinate Rassilon-Caesar in the Panopticon of the Gallifreyan Capitol. The events that unfold afterwards spark a different kind of Time War, after Mark Antony incites the citizens of Gallifrey to seek revenge against Brutus and Cassius for their fallen leader. After this, the play turns its focus from conspiracy to atonement, set against the chaos of this new Time Lord civil war.
The performances of Brutus and Cassius in the first half of the play seem cold and distant at times, if not slightly wooden, but this changes dramatically during the infamous ‘tent scene’ in Act IV scene iii, when the two of them have an argument. Here, Cassius’s acting in particular begins to shine and take on a very passionate (if not slightly personal) air. I personally felt transported along the same emotions that Cassius experiences in this moment, enjoying the catharsis that the scene affords them and Brutus. It could even be said that for these two actors, art imitates life.
The Gallifreyan setting will pleasantly surprise those who may fear that it will overwhelm the plot of the play, as it only serves in this production to highlight the political destruction wreaked on both Gallifrey and Rome by the actions of these characters. The only real distraction are the funny collars, which do briefly detract from some of the more emotionally powerful moments of the play. Audiences will also be delighted to see familiar Time Lord faces in the cast, as practically all of the Time Lord Agents in HQ are in this cast. Particularly amusing amongst them is the Fisherman’s (DF) brief poetic cameo just before the curtain call, with a couple other minor characters by his side.
The curtain call and costume reveal will also surprise and, in some cases, delight the audience. Particularly striking is the casting choice for Brutus, who is not a Time Lord and yet perfectly suited to the character’s honourable nature. Another interesting casting choice is for the minor character Titinius, whose actor did not even show up for curtain call. Who is Titinius? Who plays Titinius? Perhaps future performances will reveal them to us, but as of now they remain as mysterious and plothole-esque as their character.
Julius Caesar will run until May 30th, and I highly recommend you wrangle some free time from your missions to catch it, even if it’s only to see the Time Lord Agents stabbing each other on the stage.
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Comments
Cale Serfe, DF – 15 March 2014
While Brutus and Cassius are, of course, played very well, I couldn’t help but be, well, disappointed at the lack of kissing. I mean, would it have killed them to hold hands for a few minutes, at the very least? All they did was hug each other and cry! The tent scene should’ve merited a scorching kiss, at the very least. I’m sure everyone else is as disappointed as I am, and perhaps there’ll be a change to come in the next performance...
Elysa Webber, DO – 15 March 2014
You know, when Cassius first came onstage and started to speak—especially in that first scene with Brutus—I felt sure that the casting had been a complete failure. I mean, the ‘I pray you, do’ line alone—not to mention what follows—well, it came out completely wooden, and the rest of the scene wasn't much better. I got no sense that Cassius wanted to be around Brutus at all, let alone be his friend! Brutus himself was only slightly better: he called Cassius friend with more anger and resentment than anything else, and spent most of the scene looking frustrated or blank. Cassius, too, found some resentment and frustration, somewhere around the first ‘flourish and shout’, and even managed to dredge up some fury around ‘I was born as free as Caesar’. That, coupled with the occasional menacing looks at Rassilon Caesar, was the best thing I could see in Cassius’ acting for quite some time. And though Cassius’ hatred of Caesar is a strong and necessary part of the play, it can be argued that his love for Brutus must be stronger still; and I didn’t see much sign of the latter in the first scene!
But Cassius—played by the Time Lord called the Reader—proved herself later on. You’ve probably heard people ranting about how great the tent scene was; well, I’m about to join them, because that was the moment I truly felt the casting had been entirely accurate. Such emotion! Such anger, such desperation—and such reconciliation! I truly felt that I was watching something real—and, considering that Kozar (Brutus) and the Reader (Cassius) are rumored to have been having a tough time of things since the Reader replaced Kozar’s partner, I think it's entirely possible that it was real, and that we saw both a real fight and a real truce/reconciliation happening on stage today.
With luck, Kozar and the Reader will be more willing to get into character earlier on in the play, now that they've shared so moving a hug. And even if they don’t—the tent scene alone makes watching the play worthwhile. (But don't even get me started on Calpurnia! And the completely uncanonical attempted stabbing of Mark Antony—well, let's just say Time Lord politics are pretty amusing!)
All in all—a wonderful production. See it as soon as you can!
Maura Scott, DoSAT – 15 March 2014
Really dug the Fisherman and Evie both playing characters called Cinna. That was pretty funny.
Christianne Shieh, DMS – 16 March 2014
STOP SPOILING ALL THE PARTS. IT’LL RUIN THE PLAY FOR EVERYONE.
Officer Rooney, DOI – 16 March 2014
Hey, Chriss! You were really good as the Soothsayer!
Christianne Shieh, DMS – 16 March 2014
Thanks!
Edgar Sullivan, DIC – 16 March 2014
I liked the play pretty well, overall, though the sudden reveal of Luxury and Jacques Bonnefoy as the actors playing Portia and Calpurnia respectively was... rather disturbing. Mostly because they were snogging at the time. Bonnefoy was definitely hilarious as Calpurnia, though.
Nerys Carpenter, DO – 16 March 2014
That was hilarious! I really liked the Portia/Calpurnia scene at the end, though. It basically starts with Cal coming onstage going all “I told him, ‘Julie, don’t go’!” and then she bumps into Portia, who giggles and smiles and holds out a hand, and Cal considers it for all of two seconds before shrugging, tearing off her giant mourning collar, and snogging Portia. And then about half a minute in someone realized they weren’t about to stop anytime soon and just removed the disguises. Seriously, even though it turned out to be just Bonnefoy and Lux being their usual selves, I think I might ship Portia/Calpurnia now.
Luxury, DBS – 16 March 2014
Thank you! xoxo I liked the CalPortia scene too!! ;)
Jacques Bonnefoy, ESAS – 16 March 2014
Wanna meet up and continue it? ;))))
Christianne Shieh, DMS – 16 March 2014
Get a room, you two.
Jacques Bonnefoy, ESAS – 16 March 2014
Thanks, we will!!! ;)))
Luxury, DBS – 16 March 2014
Sounds like a plan!!!!! ;))))
Christianne Shieh, DMS – 16 March 2014
-facepalms-
The Agent, DIC – 16 March 2014
Don’t we all agree that Morgan was perfect as Rassilon-Caesar?
Geoffrey Carver, DOI – 16 March 2014
Agreed! She was wonderful as Pinterest and Stratosphere, too. You were also really good as Trombone!
The Disentangler, DIC – 16 March 2014
I think you meant Pindarus, Strato, and Trebonius. Thanks anyway.
The Disentangler, DIC – 16 March 2014
Get off my account, Agent.
Fearn, DTO – 16 March 2014
YOU TIME LORDS ARE SO DYSFUNCTIONAL THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO STAB EACH OTHER. RASSILON-CAESAR REGENERATING INTO PINDARUS AND STRATO AMUSED ME GREATLY. CLEARLY THIS PRODUCTION IS PROOF OF THE SUPERIORITY OF THE DALEKS.
Kate Lynn, DoDAEG – 16 March 2014
That was a wonderful adaptation of Julius Caesar. It was my favourite play in high school and to see it done by my fellow Agents was a real treat. Though, I do notice that the Time Lord actors really can’t seem to find a separation between their onstage and offstage drama, since Casca (the Disentangler) tried to stab Mark Antony (the Notary) halfway through Act III and had to be dragged off by Trebonius (the Agent).
John Naki, DoDAEG – 16 March 2014
I told them at every single rehearsal that they needed to stop bickering all the time, but noooooo...
Officer Rooney, DOI – 17 March 2014
Hey, Naki, could you tell us who played Titinius? I’ve got a bet with Jeeves that they’re actually a Gary Stu, given the way they got Cassius to die for them.
T’Lyra, DAVD – 17 March 2014
Only Cassius was affected by his Aura, not anyone else. Titinius cannot be a Stu.
Brenda Loringham, DMS – 17 March 2014
You’re right about Titinius, Rooney, everything he does in the play just screams of Stu! He randomly appears out of nowhere in act IV, says basically nothing until his death scene in act V, and yet apparently he’s Cassius’s best friend who loves him—a title that I could’ve sworn was Brutus’s—and somehow important enough for Cassius to commit suicide over him. If he came up on my console, I would charge and kill him so hard.
T’Lyra, DAVD – 17 March 2014
This lack of lines is precisely why he cannot be a Stu. A Stu would take over the entire play. Titinius is simply a plothole in the background.
T’Zar, DOGA – 17 March 2014
Indeed. While he does possess various Stu-like characteristics, he is simply not sufficiently prevalent to be a true Gary Stu.
Dawn McKenna, DMS – 17 March 2014
Like Agent Kate Lynn, Julius Caesar was one of my favourite plays as a kid. I was especially delighted by the choice of the Fisherman as Cinna the Poet—he took to it with such enthusiasm, and even led an army of poets onstage just before the curtain call! Cinna the Conspirator (Evie)’s participation in that particular scene was pretty hilarious.
I could go on and on about all of this—Jacques as Calpurnia, the Notary’s butchering of Mark Antony (just kidding, that definitely had its moments), Brutus and Cassius (believe me, I had no idea my ex-partner could act so well!)—but I want to express my ... well, confusion, really, about a certain character: Titinius. He had almost no lines, came out of nowhere, and became Cassius’ best friend! It made very little sense, honestly. And not only that—the actor who played him never turned up for the casting reveal! What exactly is going on with that?
Who is Titinius? Where did he come from? And who played him?
Gurnirel, SIELU – 18 March 2014
I enjoyed the performance; however, I cannot help but wonder how different our own history might have been shaped had there only been put into action a plot to stab Morgoth while we yet resided in Valinor. Fëanáro could perhaps have been a worthy Cassius.
Naergondir, SIELU – 18 March 2014
And yet, sister, I believe that Morgoth—then Melkor—would have been more suited, indeed, for the role of Cassius. For did he not turn Fëanáro’s mind to jealousy concerning the Silmarilli, and thus ensure the downfall of the Two Trees and of the Ñoldor? Melkor's tongue could sway one such as a Fëanáro: hot of temper, sharp of mind, and never-straying once plighted to his course.
Gurnirel, SIELU – 18 March 2014
It may well be, brother, but who then would be Caesar? Perhaps Finwë?
Naergondir, SIELU – 18 March 2014
Perhaps. Although I would indeed name Nolofinwë in his father's stead; for Fëanáro loved him not. And still more, dear sister: Julius Caesar deals not with the turning of a son against a father, and thus Finwë Caesar I would not cast. Hamlet, perhaps, could see such casting...
Eledhwen Elerossiel, DMS – 18 March 2014
If the two of you wish to see a production of Julius Caesar set in Arda, please discuss this with the members of A Troupe By Any Other Name in RC 1564 and/or Cubicle 221B Bakery Avenue.
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Notes: Thank you to DawnFire for helping me with this! Apologies to basically everyone who’s created a Time Lord Agent for wrangling them into the production without permission, but if you’re not okay with it, we can just consider it a reporting error (they had another disguise under their disguise. or something).
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Historical Re-release: The OFU of Rekka no Ken! by
on 2014-07-03 02:14:00 UTC
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I don't even specifically remember what led me to finding this (the mini project, obviously, but I can't recall how I even learned of this other OFU with mini-dragons to begin with, but whatever). Anyway, I discovered the existence of the very specific OFU for specifically only the seventh Fire Emblem game, aka the first member of the series released outside of Asia. Unfortunately, the original story got admin-hammered off the Pit, but fortunately, the author, Vyctori had posted drafts of some chapters in a discussion board, which is still around. Since there were so many guest appearances between OFURNK and Echo Kazul's PPC stories, I decided to compile all the surviving fragments into a single page.
http://ppcofuarchive.dreamwidth.org/318.html
As you can see, I've made a Dreamwidth account dedicated specifically to this old stuff I find. Some of you on the Wiki and Chat may have noticed I've been trying to dig through old stuff lately and save copies of some of the PPC stuff on less-than-stable-looking sites (and later decided to do OFUs as well, as my mini project taught me that they're sometimes critical for mini info).
My current plan is to compile a giant backup file of the entire PPC/OFU canon and share it around the community. As stuff disappears from their original homes on the web, I'll upload them here, so we still have links available.But it's totally not a ripoff of Nesh's Lost Tales, I swear I'm not muscling in on your territory or anything!
The other thing I have to share today is a spin-off, of sorts, from OFURNK: the OMDURNK, or "Official Mini-Dragon University of Rekka no Ken," created when a student misspelled her own school's name and created a whole 'nother one. This one has only one chapter surviving, but I guess that's better than nothing?
http://ppcofuarchive.dreamwidth.org/722.html
I know Fire Emblem isn't a big fandom roundabouts, but I would appreciate some feedback just on the legibility and organization of the site itself so I know if the presentation needs any work.Man, seriously, why did it have to be another mini-dragon? If anyone makes dragons a new mini type again, I might pretend refuse to archive their spin-off, or something, even though my completionist tendencies would never allow me to go through with that. -
Thank goodness, I say. by
on 2014-07-03 21:11:00 UTC
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Have you noticed all the link-fixing Rotlink is doing on the wiki lately? I can't keep up with all of that, and these things are time-sensitive! When it comes to backups, redundancy is a good thing. {= D Though, if you wanted to maybe focus more on non-missiony things
which I might have a hard time fitting into The Lost Tales, I've got some files I can copy you...?
I haven't read the OFU things yet, because I'm coincidentally neck-deep in some Lost Tales work, the exact nature of which I'm keeping secret for now because I'm hoping to blow a few minds. As for the site itself, it's hard to comment, since it's a journal. It's legible enough, though a bit drab. Maybe some color in the links would help? I'm pretty sure you can customize stuff like that with Dreamwidth. I worry that you might find yourself somewhat restricted with how you can organize things and provide navigation, but tags should prove useful. (Note to self, improve TLT's navigation.) One thing, though: Use cuts. It can get really hard to navigate a journal-thing if every long post appears at its full length in the queue. Plus, if anyone decides to follow the journal, they won't want to have huge posts taking up their entire reading page.
BTW, PPC Historians Club? You, me, hS, Calista if she's around, anyone else who feels like helping? We can have leather chairs and fancy jackets and sit around sipping tea while looking at old stuff and periodically going "Fascinating!" *g*
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Thanks for the support! by
on 2014-07-04 04:45:00 UTC
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And yes, yes, yes, please, if there's anything you don't want to host on your site, feel free to send it on over! OFURNK (man, I love pronouncing that) is actually the first non-PPC thing I've saved, so there's lots of room for more. I can't wait to see what you're working on, either!
Hooray for Rotlink! (What an ironic name, being that they're saving stories from death.) I'm especially glad they found Keily's stuff; I felt bad about not saving that. I wish I had more free time (said the guy who can pay all his bills) so I could keep with Rot. Good work, if you're reading this, Rot!
As for the site, well. I'm never going to be able to have a true and proper site the way you do. I just don't have the technical skills to actually, legitimately code entire pages that way, so I'm stuck using things like Dreamwidth or the wiki. I could play with the color a bit, though I spent some time already picking out this theme. I just want it to be readable. (I'm beginning to hate the bluish-white words on blue background of my main site, and will probably change that soon, too.) And I'll fix the problem of navigation soon enough--oh, hey, noisy dust storm outside--by making one of those "dated fifty years in the future" posts with a master list of everything I've got there. That way, no one will really need to navigate around, and I don't have to learn how to make journal cuts. (I'm not really anticipating people clicking around the site itself; I just want to be able to link things from the wiki, as well as to just have the stories be SOMEWHERE.)
Yes, Historians Club! It will be like the Diogenes Club, but with better social skills! (Marginally: I will be present.)
. . . Man, this is a really loud dust storm. That means there's going to be branches down all over at the zoo tomorrow, and kids are going to be grabbing them and poking them into cages. Grr! Stupid Arizona weather. -
Cool! by
on 2014-07-03 18:45:00 UTC
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Let us know if you find any other old PPC stuff, kay? Our history is important.
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Other uses for powdered canon. by
on 2014-07-03 20:11:00 UTC
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I've been thinking about the payload of the canon bombs, and wondering if there were less extreme ways to use it as a dues ex.
Perhaps there is a bit of canon that's so badly damaged that it doesn't "snap back" when you remove the offending element. Or there is no offending element to remove.
Would it be acceptable to find the one weak point and put powdered canon on it to make it snap back? -
Re: Powdered canon by
on 2014-07-04 01:55:00 UTC
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I thought that was how you got the Canon Cannons to go off. *ba-dum-bump-tish* In all seriousness, powdered canon would work for any troublesome OCs/remaining OOC canons. Like pixie dust from Peter Pan; you blow it on the character, they think happy thoughts, and suddenly they're canonical (again)! (Song optional.)
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exactly what I was thinking by
on 2014-07-04 11:26:00 UTC
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Basically there are two situations where I already see it being needed.
One fic I found isn't really bad, but it's a fan-insert who has the Avatar power INSTEAD of Aang. (Only a few other minor charges, gotta treat that one with sensitivity if I don't throw it out.) I think rubbing some powdered canon on his head should give him his powers back.
Another fic is bothersome, and I don't think removing the OC will fix it. It might be better to use the canon bomb, but I'm already thinking of a fic that would need it more, and I don't want to overuse it. -
Spray it crop-dusting style. by
on 2014-07-03 21:45:00 UTC
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I'm thinking it acts like a pesticide, something that can repel or kill weak Suvians. I.e. you could dust a forest to kill off a large number of Cute Animal Friends, or introduce some into a ship's water supply to eliminate fawning bit-character crewmen. It'd probably just blind or discomfit a main Sue, but it could have an effect similar to what a line of salt does to various occult entities.
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Happy Fourth of July! by
on 2014-07-04 15:53:00 UTC
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To all my fellow American PPCers out there, I wish you all a happy Fourth of July! Let's not forget the great gift of freedom that we have as a nation, as well as those who risked their "Lives, [their] Fortunes and [their] sacred Honor" for it.
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HAPPY FOURTH, PATRIOTS! by
on 2014-07-05 00:09:00 UTC
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Yes, Alaska is indeed part of the good ol' US of A, despite what UPS tries to tell us, and we are going to celebrate our Independence Day just as well as our fellow Americans down in the Lower 48! We shall set off our fireworks while riding our moose around Town Square! The northern lights shall shine red, white, and blue tonight! Our grills will melt our Igloos, but that's OK, BBQ salmon burgers are worth it!
In other news, IM BAAACK! Ya miss me? Don't answer that, I know you did. And, I have a whole lot more time on my hands now, so hopefully a certain crossover mission can be completed soon, along with other missions. It's good to be back, folks. Good to be back.
Now, tune in to our Nation's radio station, sit back, and enjoy these America pics, patriots.
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You got me at the last one. by
on 2014-07-05 01:35:00 UTC
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'Merica, aw yeah...
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Got more where that came from! by
on 2014-07-05 02:55:00 UTC
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That last one came from an artist that goes by the name of SharpWriter, and he makes a lot of these. For example...
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HAPPY FOURTH, PATRIOTS! by
on 2014-07-05 00:09:00 UTC
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Yes, Alaska is indeed part of the good ol' US of A, despite what UPS tries to tell us, and we are going to celebrate our Independence Day just as well as our fellow Americans down in the Lower 48! We shall set off our fireworks while riding our moose around Town Square! The northern lights shall shine red, white, and blue tonight! Our grills will melt our Igloos, but that's OK, BBQ salmon burgers are worth it!
In other news, IM BAAACK! Ya miss me? Don't answer that, I know you did. And, I have a whole lot more time on my hands now, so hopefully a certain crossover mission can be completed soon, along with other missions. It's good to be back, folks. Good to be back.
Now, tune in to our Nation's radio station, sit back, and enjoy these America pics, patriots. -
*tacklehug* by
on 2014-07-05 15:58:00 UTC
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It's about time you showed up again! Tell me everything! What's work been like? How's the park? Any favorite spots? What sort of weird questions do people ask you? What's the coolest animal you've seen so far? Any penguins? (Kidding! I know they live in the south. Has anyone asked you where the penguins are, though?)
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Heh, knew you'd be showing up. by
on 2014-07-05 16:51:00 UTC
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The job is... Well, let's just say, the reason I have so much more free time and my employment status are connected. I'l leave it at that for now, though I will get into the details later.
However, for the other questions, I will be happy to answer! And if anybody cares, I have a Dumb Tourist story to share too.
The park is doing fairly well right now. Lots of people from all over the world coming in to see the beauty of Alaska, the most common seeming to be the USA, and Australia. I love the poetry of that, the folks from Down Under coming to the Far North.
I did not get all too silly questions actually. The usual questions I would get are:
What is a moose?
Where can I see bears?
Where is McKinley?
So, I see Denali, where is Mt. McKinley? (for those who may not know, Denali is the native Athabaskan name for Mt. McKinley. Alaska has been trying to change it back since around 1975, but due to political shenanigans it stays McKinley. I can get more into that if people are interested.)
Where was Sarah Palin from?
And, connected to the previous question,
Can you see Russia from your house? (asked sarcastically)
So, you know, nothing too bad.
Coolest animal seen so far? Well, we had a moose give birth on one of the trails, shutting it down for about a month. It might still be closed, I don't know. And, we also had a black bear and her cubs walk around property. And, a local red fox who likes to chill out around the lodge and beg for food. Don't feed the fox, people. A fedbearfox is a deadbearfox.
Now, the stupid tourist comment. So, at my desk, I had this little map. It showed how big Alaska was compared to the rest of the USA by superimposing Alaska on the Lower 48. Something like this:
This map drew a lot of attention, with tourists looking at it and realising just how massive this state is. However, one time, a man and his wife came up and began to look at it.
"Look at this, Honey," the man said, showing the picture to his wife, "this is Alaska."
The wife looked at it, put her finger on the map, and muttered, "Minnesota, Iowa, Kansas..." under her breath, before she looked at me, and asked:
"So, this aria is called Alaska?"
Now I know hair color has nothing to do with intelligence, but the fact that she was blonde just made it the next level of hilarious. I have no idea how I kept myself composed, but I somehow managed to keep my composure and say that no, it was a comparison, not a definition. That would be, by far, the funniest moment behind the desk. -
*spits out milk laughing* by
on 2014-07-05 22:32:00 UTC
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I can't remember the last time I laughed so hard! >D
If it makes you feel any better, my fourteen-year-old brother is blonde and he helps me with my calculus homework. So I guess it balances out. Doesn't stop him from being an insufferable know-it-all...
As for the free time thing... I'm sorry if you're implying what I think you are. It sounds like the job's been super-interesting! I can imagine them closing down an entire trail for baby moose. Mama animals of any kind are not to be messed with. 0_0 -
Heh, knew you'd be showing up. by
on 2014-07-05 16:51:00 UTC
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The job is... Well, let's just say, the reason I have so much more free time and my employment status are connected. I'l leave it at that for now, though I will get into the details later.
However, for the other questions, I will be happy to answer! And if anybody cares, I have a Dumb Tourist story to share too.
The park is doing fairly well right now. Lots of people from all over the world coming in to see the beauty of Alaska, the most common seeming to be the USA, and Australia. I love the poetry of that, the folks from Down Under coming to the Far North.
I did not get all too silly questions actually. The usual questions I would get are:
What is a moose?
Where can I see bears?
Where is McKinley?
So, I see Denali, where is Mt. McKinley? (for those who may not know, Denali is the native Athabaskan name for Mt. McKinley. Alaska has been trying to change it back since around 1975, but due to political shenanigans it stays McKinley. I can get more into that if people are interested.)
Where was Sarah Palin from?
And, connected to the previous question,
Can you see Russia from your house? (asked sarcastically)
So, you know, nothing too bad.
Coolest animal seen so far? Well, we had a moose give birth on one of the trails, shutting it down for about a month. It might still be closed, I don't know. And, we also had a black bear and her cubs walk around property. And, a local red fox who likes to chill out around the lodge and beg for food. Don't feed the fox, people. A fedbearfox is a deadbearfox.
Now, the stupid tourist comment. So, at my desk, I had this little map. It showed how big Alaska was compared to the rest of the USA by superimposing Alaska on the Lower 48. Something like this:
This map drew a lot of attention, with tourists looking at it and realising just how massive this state is. However, one time, a man and his wife came up and began to look at it.
"Look at this, Honey," the man said, showing the picture to his wife, "this is Alaska."
The wife looked at it, put her finger on the map, and muttered, "Minnesota, Iowa, Kansas..." under her breath, before she looked at me, and asked:
"So, this aria is called Alaska?"
Now I know hair color has nothing to do with intelligence, but the fact that she was blonde just made it the next level of hilarious. I have no idea how I kept myself composed, but I somehow managed to keep my composure and say that no, it was a comparison, not a definition. That would be, by far, the funniest moment behind the desk. -
You got me at the last one. by
on 2014-07-05 01:35:00 UTC
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'Merica, aw yeah...
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Got more where that came from! by
on 2014-07-05 02:55:00 UTC
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That last one came from an artist that goes by the name of SharpWriter, and he makes a lot of these. For example...
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Wow. by
on 2014-07-05 05:58:00 UTC
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I must say I find those rather tasteless. Way too bombastic for me.
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( Pst, that's the joke. ^_~ ) by
on 2014-07-05 06:44:00 UTC
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They're absolutely ridiculous and over the top, and absolutely meant to be laughed at. Which I am doing, heartily. *g*
If you were going for deadpan there and I missed it, Des, I apologize.
~Neshomeh, who celebrated her freedom to feel disillusioned, cynical, and not particularly patriotic by spending her afternoon at a local anime convention. Woo! -
(Ah.) by
on 2014-07-05 11:01:00 UTC
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My sometimes-inability to recognise sarcasm and jokes strikes again, it would seem.
Though, to be honest, even looking at them like that doesn't make them funny for me. -
I, myself, love the hilt on Obama's lightsaber. by
on 2014-07-05 07:07:00 UTC
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Very well designed, even if the blade is silly.
I mean, come on, Obama riding a lion while giving a press conference with a crossbow is so realistic, but that two-tone lightsaber is just absurd. -
Happy 4th! Now let's go blow stuff up! by
on 2014-07-04 22:53:00 UTC
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And make pretty lights in the sky, of course, as well as loudness and a bit of danger for idiots. What better way to celebrate America?
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And to you as well! (nm) by
on 2014-07-04 20:39:00 UTC
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*cheers* by
on 2014-07-04 19:41:00 UTC
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I'll be heading over to Randa's house to finish our next mission in celebration! :D
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INDEPENDENCE DAY!!! YAY!!! by
on 2014-07-04 19:03:00 UTC
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"How little do my countrymen know what precious blessings they are in possession of, and which no other people on earth enjoy!" — Thomas Jefferson
"Happily for America, happily, we trust, for the whole human race, they pursued a new and more noble course. They accomplished a revolution which has no parallel in the annals of human society." — James Madison
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it." -- Thomas Paine
Famous quotes from some of the Founding Fathers regarding what we Americans, and possibly others as well, celebrate today. Fire works, barbecues and the National Anthem in store for me tonight, and more fun writing for all of us!
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Freedom to Write! by
on 2014-07-04 18:37:00 UTC
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Hooray for freedom to write whatever crazy things float into my head! Hooray for being able to talk about anarchy without being arrested! Hooray for peaceful rallies!
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Wow. This thread took quite some...interesting turns. (nm) by
on 2014-07-04 18:18:00 UTC
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Sorry. (nm) by
on 2014-07-04 18:28:00 UTC
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No need to apologize. by
on 2014-07-04 19:07:00 UTC
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I was not referring just to you.
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I know. (nm) by
on 2014-07-04 20:08:00 UTC
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Spending the day hiding inside by
on 2014-07-04 17:02:00 UTC
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Well, I do that most days anyway, but today I remember the people that are under extra stress because of fireworks.
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Re: Happy Fourth of July! by
on 2014-07-04 16:44:00 UTC
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Go ahead and celebrate while we have riots and stuff. I'm sure most people won't mind.
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Celebrating my right to deploy lights. by
on 2014-07-04 16:26:00 UTC
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The next-door neighbors put out some paper lanterns that look a lot better than my nets, but I'm still beating them in luminosity and coverage by about a factor of 10. Running more in parallel this year, I've decreased blowouts and small fires by about 75%.
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I greatly admire the founding fathers... by
on 2014-07-04 22:18:00 UTC
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And their fight is what I celebrate. I do believe that Huinesoron has a point, though. :/
Anyway, I'm off to set off a few miniature bombs in my front yard. Ssh! Don't tell the police, that's illegal where I live. :/
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Do you perchance live in my neighborhood? (nm) by
on 2014-07-04 22:14:00 UTC
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Glad to be rid of yez. by
on 2014-07-04 16:00:00 UTC
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Though it does seem a bit like you were wasting your time, no? I mean, whatever your definition of 'free', I'm pretty sure your former incompetent overlords have got at least as much of it as you...
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Forgivable elements. by
on 2014-07-04 18:10:00 UTC
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Basically, how rabid do we get with following the canon when charging?
I know that a certain amount of OOC doesn't even register because only the original creator can "get it right" even if they go through wild shifts in the canon work. Really, there is naturally a degree of error since we aren't the creators either.
"They're not gay," doesn't automatically make a slash sporkable, no matter the evidence, including word-of-god statements from the creators.
What I'm going for is "there wouldn't be a story without this divergence" moments that don't spawn full AU's. Basically they could either handwave it or tie the canon in knots to make it work. Even if the rest of the fic is bad, does it become chargeable? -
I think it's the last part that's most important. by
on 2014-07-04 18:42:00 UTC
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If the characters behave like actual people, with deep and rational characterization in a well-described and well-thought-out scenario, I don't think it matters if they're somewhat OOC- generally, I see that charge used when a character is specifically warped to make them do something stupid, nonsensical, gratuitously evil/good (depending), or shallow, not necessarily just that they behave slightly differently from their canonical appearance. Serious OOCness is I think always chargeable not necessarily because it exists on its own, but because it is nearly impossible to make a character such without poor or inadequately-explained writing.
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It sort of is. by
on 2014-07-04 23:29:00 UTC
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At the least, if "completely recreating canon then just slapping your Sue in there" isn't an official charge (and I think you could argue plagiarism to fit it in) it's certainly something agents have stuck to a badfic anyway. I know I've called at least one Sue I've sporked out on it.
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Re: I think it's the last part that's most important. by
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I was told in the beginning that you have to more charges than just OOC to justify a mission. Although, if they are OOC enough, there is probably something else wrong with the story.
On the slash issue, most characters are assumed straight, because they are seen with people of the opposite sex, or because they are not see with people of the same sex, but very few out and out state that they are emphatically not interested in the same sex, so I see a lot of interpretive room.
For ones who have actually explicitly stated their sexual orientation, then a fic not addressing that would be chargeable, I believe.
Creator statements of things completely lacking in evidence in the canon, I'm a little softer on. Yes, that is what they intended, but if they felt so strongly about it, why did they not find 10 words or 10 seconds to state it? Especially in a series of books, they've got hundreds of thousands, if not millions of words of opportunity to get their intentions into canon.
As a writer you've got two problems with sending your work out. No matter what you meant, people only see what you actually wrote, and secondly, they bring their own set of experiences to their interpretation of what you actually wrote, so, yeah, I really count author statements as a lot less than what the canon said.
I will take it as an influence, but if that is the only source negating something in a fic, I would not charge for it.
Just a note of advice, if the primary charge is utter and complete stupidity of plot and characterization with other wise good spelling and grammar, it is really hard to write a mission on it. Not sure why, you'd think pure stupid (and OOC) would make for good sporking, but I've tried it twice and it's not easy. -
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"directly re-enacting canon with nothing new to add should be a charge in and of itself" By the Web you have no idea how many of those are on my personal badfic list. One was SPaG-aside decent since I hadn't played the game, and then became horrible once I watched a playthrough, and then became worse when I looked up a song.
I've discovered that I can't read more than one fan-insert of The Last Airbender at a time and keep them straight. Maybe I should write a non-PPC recursive fanfiction crossover where they all meet, or turn it over to the PPC because I can't manage it with the proper dignity.
As far as the "they aren't gay" statement... just run away screaming in this instance, it's confusing. Basically it's a stamp one of my sorters uses when she can't see anything else that violates canon. Dubious lube aside, most of the slash doesn't need killing.
That does raise a question about sticking with a sunken ship.
I'm still willing to wrestle with decent-grammar fics, even if I fail.
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The Official Mobius School of Fanbrat Improvement by
on 2014-07-05 00:57:00 UTC
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Okay, I know that I'm severely new here, but one of my main goals is to go about and improve the fandom that follows the escapades of Sonic the Hedgehog because that is the fandom that got me seriously writing. My cousin, who works on DA and Fanfiction writes Scourge the Hedgehog tales and has volunteered to be my first victim if I ever become experienced enough to try out the following idea:
Frankly, I want to create The Official Mobius School of Fanbrat Improvement. It is indeed a strangely long title, but I thought it fit. I noticed that the PPC seems to think that we of the Sonic fandom are completely and utterly broken and I really want to fix that impression.
What I am doing here is requesting feedback on exactly how broken everyone thinks it is and what I could possibly address. Also, I was wondering exactly how old I have to be in PPC terms to write it.
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Actually, the PPC has no jurisdiction over OFUs. by
on 2014-07-05 07:04:00 UTC
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Therefore, nobody needs permission from us to write one, and we're in no position to tell you what age you have to be, either. Back in Ye Olden Dayes, one had to ask for Miss Cam's blessing, but even that is no longer the case—simply credit her for the original idea and do your best to live up to the legacy, and you'll be fine. {= )
I do recommend coming up with a complete outline before you start, though. LOTS of OFUs never get finished, whether because the authors run out of ideas or they simply get distracted by other things, and it's really, really sad. If you're committed enough to plan ahead, you may stand a better chance of not joining the legion of the incomplete.
I don't know enough about the current fandom to give any specific advice, but a couple of my friends were really into Sonic back in the day, and I role-played with them despite knowing practically nothing besides what they told me, so I do have some ancient, ancient fan characters, complete with god-awful art from back when I was twelve or something. I could certainly sign one or two of them up whenever you're ready to accept students.
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Re: Actually, the PPC has no jurisdiction over OFUs. by
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Wow, really? I am going to do my best, so thank you for the luck, just because I know I'll need it.
As for an outline, I'm already thinking of lots of little mini-storylines, involving the lawsuits that plague the Archie-Sonicverse from SEGA, as well as its own little problems.
I would love if you would do that; sign your characters up for me. That would be absolutely lovely and greatly appreciated. Thank you very much. -
A Sonic OFU? by
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Interesting idea. Personally, I have little experience with the Sonic fandom and its alleged brokenness. I suggest that you read lots of existing Official Fanfiction Universities for inspiration beforehand, particularly OFUM, IAHF (International Academy of Hetalia Fanfiction), and HFA (Hogwarts Fanfiction Academy). (Those are the three complete ones I can think of off the top of my head.)
Since you don't have Permission yet, I would say that's a prerequisite. (Heh-heh.) OFUs in general address canon languages, names (and why you should spell them correctly), personalities, shipping, and general rules. There's also usually a GrammarBootCamp, which is just what it sounds like. >:) -
Re: A Sonic OFU? by
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Actually, I just read the Redwall OFU, the Hogwarts OFU, Jay and Acacia's adventures in the Fanfiction University of Middle-Earth, and the Pokemon University. Believe me, I've prepared for this with those and I've already begun developing my ideas. Helping authors who don't understand what exactly they're doing was my original inspiration for coming here.
Permission. Yes. As I'm not sure who is a Permission Giver here, I haven't asked them about it yet. If you would be so kind as to point me in the direction of the right person, I will certainly write up a resume. As I am a quick reader, and have been dedicating the past few weeks on reading anything about you guys I can get my hands on, it still may not be a good enough resume.
I've written down lessons, misspellings I've glimpsed, plot points, and weird ships. I've also looked for the minis in this universe, which are Mini-Chaoses. I wouldn't go about changing that, but I have ideas on their attacks, what they eat in addition to the required Mini diet of bacon and raw eggs, and where their loyalties lie. I have a fairly good understanding of grammar and I know quite a bit about the personalities, likes, and dislikes of the canon characters.
If this still isn't enough, I am definitely going to find more OFU stories to read and mull over. Thank you for your feedback and advice. -
Read the article I linked to. (nm) by
on 2014-07-06 13:39:00 UTC
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Apologies by
on 2014-07-06 15:55:00 UTC
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I just looked over what I said yesterday and it strikes me as unbearably cocky. So many apologies. I am definitely not prepared for this, because I just began reading the Events list. I am incredibly sorry for sounding and acting so full of myself.
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Sonichu. Just..... Sonichu.......... by
on 2014-07-05 01:20:00 UTC
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(For those of you unfamiliar with Sonichu the "webcomic" or its creator and legions of adoring trolls, just Google it. I'm not linking any of that here. It's not what I would consider remotely NSFW (at least at first...) but still, be warned. Out there be monsters.)
That unpleasantness aside, I can see where you're coming from on this. Being a devout member of the Halo fandom, I am occasionally accosted by people whose only knowledge of the game is that one Stufic and can't tell their Sangheili from their San'shyuum, so while my initial reaction to Sonic is to ignore it and imagine some ungodly morass, I will freely admit that I am in no position to make that judgement.
I'd say go for it- I like to think that I've done a markedly good thing all on my lonesome by directing some of the hatred for J.C.'s AVATAR to better targets, and I don't see why you can't help bring the Sonic community the recognition it deserves.
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Thank you, AdmiralSakai. I will check out the recommended webcomic, just to see what I'm up against.
You should be a motivational speaker. I think you could speak to other agents about their own small depressions involving the crazier of their randoms that give everyone else a bad name. Just thank you for motivating me even more. I hope that your own fandom issues become easier to deal with. -
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How long have you been here?
And then...
How can I help?
I'm not up on the video games, but I can learn the cartoons.
I seem to recall reading a comic panel where it says Sonic is the only creature that can whistle at that pitch, and Dulcy the Dragon is the only one who can hear it. -
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I've been here on the Posting Board for two or three weeks, I believe. However, I've been following the adventures of the PPC for two years because I enjoy everyone's snark and writing styles.
As for help, I just need an overview of exactly how broken the fandom seems to an outsider or a PPC agent, in addition to what I could focus on improving. The video games are what I need the most help on because I know their respective story lines, but not the various moves and weaknesses of the video game characters. I'm an Archie Comics girl all the way, but I know Sonic X, SATAM, and a little Sonic Underground. The video games I can mostly ask my companions about.
So, yeah, what I truly need is ideas upon what I should focus on teaching the fans and input on exactly how shattered the fandom is. I have ideas for lessons and I've researched OFUs for the past few weeks, so other than that, I should be good.
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My Little Pony Shock 'fics by
on 2014-07-06 01:45:00 UTC
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You know the sort: "101 Days of Blueblood", "Cupcakes", "Pattycakes", and so on. The ones that basically read like a laundry list of war crimes.
Now, I'll admit that I'm only a "periperal" Brony, but what's the point? Perhaps more than that, why do they all come to MLP? Can't they get their jollies from AVATAR, or Star Trek, or Barney, or something...
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I remember Cupcakes and Pattycakes. I have Pattycakes on the Claimed Badfic list, as a matter of fact. Truly disturbing, in an admittedly entertaining way.
That's a good question. Maybe they target the MLP franchise because that's where nobody will expect to see it, because of its refreshing cutsie, innocent-ish nature. It's like hiding a bomb. Malicious intent meant for the enjoyment of the planter, and those others out there sick enough to enjoy them, such as myself.
I suppose they are worth commending, in my own opinion. I did some research into the Cupcakes Pinkie Pie, and discovered parallels to the notorious BTK Killer, Dennis Radar, and Ted Bundy. That in and of itself means that the author did some research, some very serious research. I like fan fiction, and regular fiction, for that matter, that has a basis in reality, like Cupcakes did. Now, I'll admit, the torture was nothing more than improbable blood porn, but my point still stands. -
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I don't know, he could have done research just to figure out how best to bother and disturb people... but then does it stop becoming trolling and start becoming art???
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Well... by
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Having had experience with trolls, there is a certain art form to it in some cases. In my opinion, those certain trolls are to be cherished, as they provide intellectual stimulation.
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So I think the consnsus is... by
on 2014-07-06 21:15:00 UTC
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... at least around the PPC, that nobody would shed a tear if such 'fics were designated for repair missions. Correct?
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Actually... by
on 2014-07-06 21:46:00 UTC
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Check the claimed badfic list. All three of the ones you mentioned are on there, so you'd have to wait. I don't know what Dark Brother's grace period is on getting permission. http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Claimed_Badfic#My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic
But yeah, if you find any more shockfics, missions are probably one of the things that they actually want.
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Then there is Not Proud... by
on 2014-07-06 19:38:00 UTC
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I've only read two of his fics sofar, and it's really hard to tell if he's trolling or just doesn't see the world through the same lens as other bronies. Warning, this is his only non-sexual fic and it is a nazi not-bad fic. http://www.fimfiction.net/story/714/whats-good-for-the-goosestep
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Glarging Accident by
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I'm just going to sit back and watch because I have this weird tendency to step on nerves and I don't want to add any more fuel to this particular fire. Please don't let it get out of hand.
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Rage Warning... by
on 2014-07-07 01:22:00 UTC
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Good Space Gods, that is pointless. It has nothing to add to the historical debate, or for that matter to the My Little Pony universe. The plot barely qualifies as such in the sense that things happen which are related to one another. It's not even really about My Little Pony in any serious sense: it could fit just as well (and by well I mean very, very badly) in any other universe. It has only one reason for existing- to offend as many people as possible... and it shows.
This is why I hate MLP shockfics. Not because they're offensive or poorly-written or often more than a little sick, although they are all three of those things, but because they are a complete and utter waste of space.
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Oh, wow. by
on 2014-07-06 23:58:00 UTC
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Just, wow. I... wow. Words fail me. This is bad taste in extremis. That's... that's about as Glauronged up as those things get. The Nazis are not something to be taken lightly like that. It's way too soon. Way too soon.
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Huh, with the last survivor dead, it's too soon to glorify Hitler in the same manner as Vlad Dracul, but to have fics portraying the might-have-beens while emotions are still high? Offensive, but not without purpose. Keep the memory alive through all means and through all hearts.
I don't have any agents in mind that would be in position to spork this, even if I was passionate about it. One of my teams has a lapsed Jew and a MLP expert, but they're Despatch until they stop being a team.
Once, I had a story in mind... a time-traveler had turned Hitler into an artist, then another time-traveler had to force him to resume the timeline that we know to teach us the meaning of evil so we could stop a worse atrocity. I never thought of it deeply enough to think if he should hate it or grow to enjoy it. -
At a guess... by
on 2014-07-07 09:00:00 UTC
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... you're thinking of the relatively recent death of the last person to have fought in the First World War. Even then, though, there are people still alive who were children during it.
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As VM said... by
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The survivors - some of them, anyway - are very much alive. Including my grandmother. :/
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Misinformation corrected. (nm) by
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IMO, it's the Man Police by
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I think it's got to do with the way guys kind of bash each other for not being tough enough. Like, if a guy dances ballet or bakes cookies, other guys (well, not all other guys, but the nasty sort) will pick on him for it because he's not manly enough or something.
Well, isn't this a lot of the same thing? Guys who like ponies are "betraying" the "man club", so other guys feel like punishing them by writing about the cute ponies getting tortured or raped or whatever. Or maybe they feel threatened by the fact that some guys like cute ponies, and feel like they have to write something like that just to "set things right" and prove they're Real Men in all the wrong ways. -
Some men just want to watch the world burn. by
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Seriously, as the wiki article on MLP (FiM) states, "Going against the show's themes and tone in fanworks is considered a cardinal sin by some, and some folk [Troll] can't help but use that to provoke negative reactions in others."
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The point? by
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There's been a discussion on this before- something about how the more innocent something is, the more likely people are going to twist it in horrible ways to make it extremely wrong.
I think the reason why people don't target Barney is because nobody would read any fanfics for that. So there wouldn't be anyone to freak out. Most of those fics are more than likely trolls... I hope. -
Bronies are special by
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Rather... Well, if you've ever seen the documentary with John de Lance...
Bronies are a bizarre type of people that are misunderstood by outsiders.
People who like Star Trek or AVATAR don't subvert expectations as much, and they don't need the actors to stand up for the fans or talk to their parents. Barney doesn't have any fans that you'd want to show shock fic unless you were a monster.
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Not that bizzare, if you think about it by
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I know people always talk about females being oppressed by gender stereotypes, and that's true; women get this pressure to be gentle and nurturing and get married and get pregnant and not try to bash through the glass ceiling.
But guys get some of the same stuff. They're supposed to be independent and strong and stoic and stuff, and they're not supposed to like pink or frills or cute things.
Along comes a well-made children's show, and a few guys decide they like it. For them, it's an opportunity. Instead of having to toe the line and stick with the masculine stereotype, they can come out and say they like the cuteness and the warmth in this kid's show about ponies and friendship. And more and more of them start to get together and say, "Yeah. I can like what I like. I don't have to obey the man rules. In fact, I'm even more badass when I don't obey them."
So not only is it a good show on its own merits, but it also lets these guys express themselves in a way that's becoming more socially acceptable as more guys get into it.
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Hello, everyone! by
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Hello everyone! My name is Darkotas, and I was referred to the PPC by my very good friend Iximaz. I'm not used to introducing myself to a community like this (at least, not in this manner - I tend to be somewhat shy at times), but nothing ever gets done if you don't try in the first place, right? Anyway, I've read the PPC Constitution and the FAQ (it's hard to think of a good intro post!), and I'm 90% through with the Original Series. The continuities I am most familiar with include Star Wars, Warcraft, and most classic literature, but I'm open to any suggestions for a good series. Chances are I'll know something about it, at least; if I don't, I'll learn about it!
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Nice to see you've done the required reading. I recommend Welcome to Night Vale (podcast set in a desert town where every conspiracy theory/paranormal thing is real), the fanfic "Follow Me" (it's on deviantART), Free! (high school swim club/coming-of-age tale), and most Chuggaaconroy Let's Plays (YouTube).
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Nice to meet you.
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Hi Hi! by
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Hi Darkotas! I'm Day and I'm new here too! We can be newbies together! Here, to you I bequeath a pocket watch. It can stop time for two minutes if you shake it hard enough, but it only has twelve charges. Good luck!
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Hello! by
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So, a voracious reader like myself, eh? Have you ever read the series The 39 Clues? It's a pretty interesting series, if I do say so myself. (I vaguely remember being introduced to it via this very Board!)
If you're into fantasy, have you read the Artemis Fowl series?
As for your newbie gift...
*rummages through bag of holding*
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I read the first 6 six books or so of The 39 Clues a few years ago, but haven't gone further than that yet. I plan to, though! Artemis Fowl happens to be one of my favorites, too. :)
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it's basically a toy painted in an eye-hurting color. But the PPC is crazy enough; there may be someone willing to fit a laser on it.
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Re: Hello, everyone! by
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Hi, have some fudge!
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Hello by
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Here take this pet Titan! Careful he eats people.
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*waves* by
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Hello and welcome!
I'm going to second Des's recommendation of Mistborn, and then add the rest of that author's books to the list. Especially the Cosmere ones. As for other rec's, I could go on for ages, so if you want fantasy literature, just ask!
Now, for your present, I give to you a lined Infinite Notebook, complete with urple covers and wilver bindings. Avert your eyes!
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Oh, hello there by
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Since you already read the stuff I usually point newbies to, I'll just offer you a cup of Earl Grey (don't let the leaves eat you) and a plate of scones.
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Have a pair of Joo Janta 200 Super-Chromatic Peril Sensitive Sunglasses. They work by turning completely dark at the first sign of danger, thus preventing you from seeing anything that might alarm you. --lifted from HHGTTG wiki.
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Fortunately, I happen to have a brother-in-law who is a huge Star Trek fan. As for Sherlock, I just finished watching the first episode about a week ago, and it is AMAZING. Thanks for the sunglasses, I've always been afraid of dying from fright!
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About time you showed up! by
on 2014-07-06 22:25:00 UTC
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Aw crap, I didn't even think to get you a present... uh... Here! An urple moose that quacks like a duck! Welcome aBoard!
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Re: About time you showed up! by
on 2014-07-06 22:29:00 UTC
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It's a moose. That quacks like a duck. PLUS it's urple?!? Why did I not already have one of these?
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Recommended Frozen Parody by
on 2014-07-06 23:36:00 UTC
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Yeah, I know Frozen Spoofs are getting old, but I think someone will at least chuckle at this.
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*laughter* by
on 2014-07-09 13:50:00 UTC
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That was pretty good! I think she blended all the versions of the song for smoothness, but whatever.
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Re: Recommended Frozen Parody by
on 2014-07-07 16:49:00 UTC
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The only thing I didn't like is that all of the songs from Frozen are going to be stuck in my head after reading it. Other than that, it was quite enjoyable!
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More Historical Re-releases: PPC Handbook and BRD! by
on 2014-07-07 20:09:00 UTC
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I have to start this post with an apology, for I am a huge flake. Perhaps the biggest flake. See, the things I'm about to link, they've been sitting on my hard drive for years. Since I first put out the call for The Lost Tales, actually. I just... never went through the giant mess of files I got very thoroughly until a couple weeks ago, when it occurred to me that if I was going to try to save everything, I'd better start by knowing exactly what I already had.
So, yeah. I'm an idiot, and I'm sorry. I'm really hoping the coolness of having this stuff back will outweigh the inanity of me not knowing I had it for so long. >.
On to the actual content!
First, some missing pages of the PPC Handbook:
- Artemis' PPC Departments and Agents list. This is fascinating (at least to me) in part because of the mail-to links in the original document, which can help us identify which characters belonged to who, especially when cross-referenced with the old PPC Directory (which is not part of the Handbook). I HAVE removed the full e-mail addresses, because I don't want the page to be fodder for spambots, but if you mouse over agent names in gray, you'll be able to see the e-mail prefix, which is all we really need for comparison.
I also must note that the appearance of the page is purely a guess, since whoever saved it only saved the text, not the full code. I have no idea what it originally looked like, but since it was hosted on the brdepartment site, same as the Flower Officials page, I've given it the same background and colors. It's... a little hard to read, I know, but I don't know what else to do.
- <a href="http://twistedskein.webs.com/PPCHome/buffyverse/buffyversechargelist.htm">The Jossverse official PPC charge list and Winterfox's LotR Sue Litmus Test. These were actually archived by hS as part of the Oddlots site, but there are links to them in the Handbook that were formerly broken, and now they're not. Yay! (BTW, please let me know if you find broken links, especially if you know how I can fix them!)
- The original Glossary of Edible and Semi-Edible Substances by Claudia Beth King. This doesn't replace the link to the new menu, since that was updated when the Handbook was still actively maintained; I've just added it as a bit of a bonus for the inquiring minds out there.
- The original "Origins" and accompanying Unfinished Tales by Huinesoron. ... Eyup. Not much to say here, because I'm not 100% sure hS wouldn't prefer that these stayed lost. They were part of the Handbook, though, so here they are! Erm, please don't kill me? ^_^;
Next, some content from the BRD site!
- The main page, including an intro with the Daffodil. We have some dialogue from a minor Flower! Yay! ... Sheesh, he's a squirrely little chap, isn't he?
- "Arathorn Did Not Have a Daughter" by Artemis and Bodldops. This actually wasn't lost, since it survived on ff.net, but with the intro we now know that the [BEEP!] at the end of this DMS mission is most likely the agents' summons to go get their transfer orders. Neat! (And now you can read it lightly edited, with all those dialogue punctuation and capitalization issues fixed!)
- "The Misadventures of Talia" by Artemis. This WAS lost, and it's pretty cool because it also involves an original appearance of Agents Black and Irvine of the DIA. Not to mention the story itself being pretty original and fun to read. Go do it!
Sadly, I am not in possession of any actual missions to bad role-plays. It's possible there never were any, but I can't confirm anything. One way or another, that's all I got.
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There are a lot more good things to come at The Lost Tales. For instance, I've also discovered one of Kippur's lost Marrissa Picard missions, and I have a few missing pages from the DMFF site, too--apparently they wrote handy glossaries of the flora and fauna of Middle-earth and a little lexicon of terms derived from "Sue."
However, more sites keep going down, and it's a lot of work to restore them in their best possible shape. If you're interested in helping, especially if you're familiar with HTML, please let me know! CSS is also helpful, since I want to convert the whole site eventually. Again, though, that's a lot of work, and I'm currently playing catch-up to the last round of deletions--Anamia's Corner, the Department of Cool and Unusual Punishment, Keily's "Duty of a Fangirl," Pieguy's House of Sporking...
Which, I can't help but notice, were all Webs sites. Ahem: If your PPC stuff is hosted by Webs, please back it up! For they are jerks and will wantonly delete it for arbitrary reasons, and there's nothing I can do about it except hope the Wayback Machine or archive.today took thorough snapshots first. {= (
... That's all for now. Enjoy the new-old stuff, and please forgive me for its unduly long absence from our lives.
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Tacking on another find: by
on 2014-07-11 08:04:00 UTC
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The Playscripte!
Well, not the one hS did, but another Playscrpite, written by Twiggy Papaya (beware of popups):
http://www.angelfire.com/rings/ppcdcup/playscript1.html
Which never seems to have gotten moved from Twiggy's angelfire site to the Webs one, ironically keeping it preserved without the need of an archive. Yay!
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Oooh. by
on 2014-07-11 14:34:00 UTC
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I had Twiggy's Playscripte in my files, but I didn't realize the Angelfire site still existed. There's some other random fun stuff on there that I didn't have, like "Night Sprinkles on a Doomed Fate" (silly PPC badfic) and what happens to the RotK movie script if you put it through a few translations. 'Scuse me, must gank. ^_^
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Oh man, you have things by
on 2014-07-08 20:55:00 UTC
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Good find with that list! I was super-excited when I found that Directory, but it's super-hard to read, and a lot is ambiguous. It's good to have a potential double-check now.
I'm glad to see I didn't actually imagine Origins and the Unfinished Tales, after all! I think I read them around when I first joined, but could never find them again. I was beginning to think they were a hallucination!
I was super-happy reading through "The Misadventures of Talia" and seeing some of the details I had picked out of her journal being confirmed in an actual published text. And OMG, it's when she first met Dúros! It's great to have such a major event in two agents' lives recorded again! (That Sue is rather intriguing, too. I guess the "class" she took in Mordor *snerk* was taught by a ringwraith.) It is disappointing to learn no BRD missions were ever written, as I've always been curious as to how they would go. But I guess I shouldn't miss something that never existed, so . . .
Can't wait to see some of the other stuff you've got waiting! Speaking of which, I responded to your email, but never heard back from you. Did something get "lost in the mail"? -
Bwuh? I replied today... by
on 2014-07-08 21:12:00 UTC
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You didn't get my e-mail with the attached .zip file? I sent it around noon, CST.
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Sorry; I just got it. by
on 2014-07-08 21:22:00 UTC
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Didn't mean to jump the gun.
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Oh, phew. by
on 2014-07-08 21:31:00 UTC
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NP, I'm glad it didn't get lost. I could always send it again, but still. {= )
I should mention, "Ashes to Glory" also has Black and Irvine in it for a brief cameo, for those who are interested in them at the moment.
~Neshomeh -
0.0 by
on 2014-07-08 14:07:00 UTC
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Wow. Nesh, you are amazing. That's...wow.
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:O by
on 2014-07-08 09:25:00 UTC
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There you go; you've achieved your goal. My brain is officially blown.
Now, time to go through and see what we've got...
-Arti's list. The Big Two trivia from this, for me, are: a) Bast's Agent Mary Sue is in both the DRD and RDR, so I can steal her if Rosalind or Aella need a friend. b) Agent Suzine is in DAVD. Is this the same person as Nurse Suzine?
-No comments on the charge list/Litmus Test, since they were sort of never lost (even though I'm proooobably the only person who could have found it)
-The substances list: it always baffles me that bleeprin is canonically made by mini-Aragogs in HFA. It occurs to me that the Ispace Wars might have interrupted the supply somewhat...
I also wonder where we get our Pink and Purple Stuff since the Great Goddess left... and also whether this means her temple was technically a front for a drug-distribution ring. :D
-Origins and UT: no, you can keep them up. 'Origins' is actually still hosted as a summary version on the Webplex, and... well, the conceit behind the UT and this version of Origins is that Dafydd wrote them. Slight divergences from the later facts are to be expected. ;)
-The BRD: you fiend. ^-^ Well done. As far as I recall, there never were any actual Bad Roleplay missions.
Of course, the existence of these missions means two of our latest Featured Agents are no longer up to date... and one of my goals is to ensure that they all remain so. I guess that means I'm going to be going through these with a fine-toothed comb. Oh no, I have to read PPC missions, how will I ever cope.
There's a story I remember from... somewhere, which has an agent getting thrown into what she thinks is a badfic, but is actually a goodfic (possibly by Thalia Weaver), and she's only barely stopped from killing it. In my head, that was 'The Misadventures of Talia', but since it isn't... any idea what I'm thinking of? Or if we still have it?
Anyway... awesome, and well done!
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Webs: sometimes, yes, they delete things arbitrarily. According to their tech support (who always fire off the same boilerplate email in reply to your first attempt to contact them), their shutdowns of me were at the request of some outside authority - I forget what, and they were never very clear.
They also shut down websites which haven't been logged into for a certain amount of time and which haven't been viewed in a shorter amount... but it's all a bit random. Fortunately, archive.today seems to be fairly comprehensive, which is why the Multiverse Monitor is entirely preserved (except for one Page 3 image, but I might actually have that somewhere...), and almost restored. Starwind's high-rated PPC fanfics are probably lost forever, though.
(Which reminds me that I need to think about making a thread on that subject... Are NC-17 PPC Stories Okay And Should They Be Posted?)
Once again: thank you and well done!
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Re: the Suzines by
on 2014-07-08 20:40:00 UTC
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The bottom part of this post in Godforsaken's LJ mentions a Boarder named Suzine:
(Upper part contains NSFW language)
http://agentclaudia.livejournal.com/20535.html
That Boarder may be the author of Agent Suzine. Then again, the two characters could still be the same Suzine, as the Wiki doesn't name an author, and Nurse Suzine's earliest appearance in the JAAKSONS spin-off is fairly small, and could just be a cameo of Boarder Suzine's character? So maybe she used to be in DAVD Medical, and later transferred to FicPsych?
Really no way of knowing, now. :s
And as to the Thalia vs. Talia thing . . . um. I'm pretty certain this LJ:
http://tinuviel8994.livejournal.com/profile
is Thalia Weaver. (We are talking about Weaver, right?) And it says the name is "Talia (sometimes Thalia)." So it seems the Boarder Thalia sometimes went by the same name as one of Artemis' PPC agents. (And I think Thalia is also the author of the Agent Thalia on the Glossary page? The Glossary lists the author as "NeedleofDeath," but Needle's author page on the Pit has separate author notes from "Thalia" and "Shada" soooooo I don't know I think I'm overthinking this anyway.)
-doctorlit, who is getting uncomfortable looking at peoples' RL LJs looking for PPC info. -
Yes and yes. by
on 2014-07-09 09:20:00 UTC
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I remember Suzine (vaguely) and I'm well aware of Thalia's real name. ;) Also, I can confirm that Thalia of Thalia-and-Shada is Thalia Weaver. Their profile links to Thalia's. Shada links to Shada, which links to a livejournal for Joraina, which mentions the name antinomies. She doesn't seem to have friended any of the PPC Boarders I know of, and I don't recognise any of her names, so if she was on the Board at all, she left way early. The Board Archive is admittedly spotty for 2003, but she's not in it under any of those.
Coming back to Suzine - actually, and Thalia, since Artemis' list mentions an Agent Thalia (Weaver) in both DAVD and the DCPS, in addition to Shada's partner in the DMS - the problem for we poor archivists is that in the early days, people inserted Boarders, not agents, into their stories. That's why Agent Huinesoron of DOGA exists - I was a cameo in Suedom. So you will find a lot of repeating names, particularly where the DCPS is concerned - and, apparently, DAVD.
The question then becomes: do we, as archivists and historians, treat them as all being the same people? The DCPS is canonically established, in the person of Chelsea Miller, to take agents who already have another job, so I think those should be 'the same person'. But Suzine being both Head Nurse and DAVD? Mm. I think your idea of a transfer might be best - or, again, Medical and FicPsych have historically taken a lot of two-job agents, such as Constance Sims. So maybe Suzine moonlighted from DAVD Medical to FicPsych, and later made the shift permanent?
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Ooh, meant to mention-- by
on 2014-07-08 20:48:00 UTC
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I was gonna bring this up on the wiki at some point, but since you've given me a perfect excuse here: I'm pretty sure Claudia Beth King actually went by that name on the Board. Godforsaken was her penname on ff.net or something. Like how Ella Darcy is always Ella Darcy, not Lantarmiel. {= )
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She had a whole bunch of names! by
on 2014-07-08 21:04:00 UTC
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Ta da!
(NSFW language below, but just the first line is important)
http://agentclaudia.livejournal.com/2003/06/22/
In my head, I typically think of authors by a name that isn't shared with one of their characters, just to keep it straighter in my head.
-doctorlit is apparently a creepy stalker of decade-old LJs now. He is not proud. -
Well, you're free to do that... by
on 2014-07-09 09:23:00 UTC
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... but be aware that they aren't their Board names. CBK and Ella Darcy were CBK and Ella Darcy.
More generally, you're going to run into problems with that. Heck, I have an Agent Huinesoron, Nesh has Agent Neshomeh... in fact, don't you have an agent who shares your username? <_ a whooooole lot of agents are named after their creators and back in t most them were straightforward author inserts. trying to separate is an exercise futility.>
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The answer by
on 2014-07-09 13:09:00 UTC
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hS
Nesh
doc
Shortening the name down is something that I do all the time. Not because it helps me keep it straight, but because I am lazy and some of these names are hard to spell.
-Phobos...who can't think of a way to shorten his own name. -
'Fear'. by
on 2014-07-09 13:21:00 UTC
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Easy. ;) Though your system doesn't work everywhere - I believe doctorlit's agent is 'Agent Doc'...
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Don't be silly! by
on 2014-07-09 18:19:00 UTC
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There's a huge world of difference between Doc and doc!
And .docs, for that matter.
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Yay. ^. ^ by
on 2014-07-08 20:38:00 UTC
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I would've been sad if I had dropped hints and played up the drama for nothing. ^_^;
- I have no idea if Agent Suzine is the same person as Nurse Suzine, but I wondered the same thing. I don't see how she could become Head Nurse while also working in an another department, but then again, this is HQ. Stranger things have happened.
- What's weird to me about Bleeprin is that it seems to have been thought up on the Board or elsewhere first, then added to HFA, since its first mention in HFA calls it "the preferred medication of PPC agents" and doesn't really describe it. Sorta like the audience is expected to know what it is already.
- The idea that everything we know about the PPC's early history is based on the wild speculation of one bored Elf amuses me greatly. *g*
- I just noticed something weird about the BRD. I was gonna add the Daffodil to the Glossary, but found that he already had an entry, linking to the version of "Arathorn Did Not Have a Daughter" on ff.net. The Daffodil is, in fact, mentioned there — Talia says, "What, are you trying to kill the computer? While I have thought about it from time to time, the Daffodil won't appreciate having to call in Makes-things for the umpteenth time this week" — but in the version I have, it's the SO named in that sentence. I wonder why they changed it, and what else might be different. O.o
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'Wild speculation'. by
on 2014-07-09 16:13:00 UTC
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I think I remember reading that one. by
on 2014-07-08 12:39:00 UTC
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The badfic-that-turns-out-to-be-a-goodfic mission, that is. I'm not sure who wrote it, but it was definitely in LotR, and the Sue was a very short human who fell into Middle-earth and assimilated pretty well with hobbit society.
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Time will Tell by
on 2014-07-08 13:18:00 UTC
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Since it's an Intelligence story, she doesn't almost kill it.
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I don't think that's the one I'm thinking of. by
on 2014-07-08 13:55:00 UTC
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Though it does seem to be Ailavyn's... no, my vague memories include the agent getting off a ship at one point, and possibly that either the story or the agent were Thalia Weaver's. Since it wasn't Rhus Radicans, I'm betting on the story. That connection may be why I associate it with Agent Talia. I'm also pretty certain she wasn't on a mission, but was dropped into the story by some malevolent force.
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So that's what you've been hinting mysteriously about by
on 2014-07-07 23:02:00 UTC
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Awesome!
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Interested in helping but not super good with HTML or CSS :( (nm by
on 2014-07-07 20:28:00 UTC
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You can always save stuff. by
on 2014-07-08 20:42:00 UTC
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Like I said to doctorlit, there's nothing bad about having redundant backups, if we happen to save the same things. Though, I think you mentioned being good with people's LiveJournals at some point? I don't think anyone's paying much attention to saving character journals at the moment. It would be cool to have someone focused on that.
Anyone can help by pointing out errors on the Lost Tales site, too.
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I've found a few, yeah. by
on 2014-07-08 20:44:00 UTC
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I'll read through the ones I find and e-mail various links and such, copy stuff down too for the ones that look like they'll need it. Relevant info can be useful for making pages, I know Doclit said something about wanting to make one for Irvine.
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a shipping question. by
on 2014-07-08 04:18:00 UTC
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Was there a moment that two characters shared that really made you want start shipping them?
For me it was Eren and Armin in the fifth episode of Attack on Titan. I wish I could go into more details, but I don't want to spoil the twists for that particular episode, so lets just say that Eren did something really brave for Armin's sake and leave it at that.
I don't mean to sound mistrustful, but please keep in mind that different people have different tastes in shiping. I REALLY want to avoid a flame war.
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Well... by
on 2014-07-10 19:20:00 UTC
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I can't say I remember the exact point that started me shipping them--I'm on season 3 and don't seem to do much rewatching of this show--but there's this one part where Moira and Walter (from Arrow are about to meet for dinner, and it just made me remember just how much I ship them. I mean, Walter wasn't even onscreen, but Moira and Thea both looked so happy and expectant and--well, I found myself sitting there grinning, so...keep going, Arrow. You're doing something right.
(Also, Oliver and Felicity, aaaah. They keep getting cuter and cuter with every episode, and I'm talking about a vigilante/superhero and an IT girl, here. And no, I don't really remember when I started shipping them, either, though by now there are so many lovely shippy moments that you can take your pick.)
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Bother, forgot. ^^VERY MILD SPOILERS FOR ARROW^^ (nm) by
on 2014-07-10 19:21:00 UTC
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Homestuck, more Homestuck, and Doctor Who by
on 2014-07-09 18:05:00 UTC
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Homestuck:
No spoilers:
I started shipping Dave and Jade during one of their pesterlogs, when Jade was trying to make a reference to Dave's webcomic and she got it wrong. She realized she got it wrong, but Dave said, "no its alright. reference secured" and I started shipping them like Chinese goods to the U.S.
Homestuck:
SPOILERS AHEAD
There were actually two moments for this couple. During the [S] John: Reunite with your loving wife and daughter flash, while Karkat is watching John, Terezi bolts up, shoves him aside, and starts pointing at his screen and presumably giggling. The look of annoyance on his face is glorious, but more on that presently.
The second one is after Terezi watches a doomed Dave die. She's almost crying and Karkat comes up and looks at her from way in her bubble. Then he goes to poke her.
These are cute enough by themselves, but not necessarily indicative of romance. That's just how Terezi behaves around everyone, and Karkat is later seen to be poking Sollux in a similar manner. What got me shipping them is the fact that they behave almost exactly like my brother and sister-in-law... whose favorite colors are red and teal, respectively... which is weird...
But think of how awesome it is that I get to ship my brother and sister-in-law as fictional characters, and aliens, no less!
Doctor Who:
SPOILERS AHEAD
Amy and Rory. I have to admit, for the entirety of Series Five and the beginning of Series Six, I though Amy was just plain annoying, and might possibly have had an unspoken rule to sleep her way around the universe. Or maybe just the TARDIS. Then, The Curse of the Black Spot happened. The interactions between Amy and Rory were so amazing during that episode! I think, though, that the part that especially got to me was when Amy was trying to convince the Siren that she was legally responsible for Rory and the short bit where Rory was teaching Amy to do CPR. Now I just think they're really cute together and I love them together.
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RE: Shipping by
on 2014-07-09 01:17:00 UTC
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((like so)). Read at your own discretion.
I don't tend to ship characters too often. I started shipping Makoharu harder after I watched Episode 6 of Free!((you know, the one where Haruka gets that close to giving Makoto mouth-to-mouth?)). It just made sense; the show was already teasing that pairing anyway.
I also started shipping Lyra/Silver when I got SoulSilver back in freshman year. Two reasons for that: first, Silver looks prettier in that game than he did in GSC, so it was easy for me to fangirl over him; second, I actually beat Lance in SoulSilver and thus got to witness more of his character development((especially at the double battle with him against Lance and Clair in Dragon's Den))
To answer your actual question, though, I remember really wanting to ship Sherlock/Irene for a while the first time I watched "A Scandal in Belgravia" (or was that Sherlock/Molly? I can't remember, the episode kinda sorta teased both.) I guess it was the way they interacted; neither side willing to give ground (at first), both parties on each others' intellectual level...yeah. -
Not much of a shipper by
on 2014-07-08 13:31:00 UTC
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I mean, I was reading a lot of the ship-tease in Star Trek:TNG, but I wasn't interested in that sort of stuff.
There's Alphonse Elric and Martel, with full knowledge that it wouldn't have worked out, especially as anything sexual.
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Hm... by
on 2014-07-08 12:52:00 UTC
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Well, I was recently watching Doctor Who, and in specific the Season 2 episode The Idiot's Lantern. And the ONE MOMENT when he realises what they did to Rose (took her face and dumped her in the street) and his Tranquil Rage...as well as their reunion at the end... well, I'm now a 10Rose shipper. In a simular vein, Rose being so mad/terrified for him in Fear Her really got to me.
And the Amy/Rory ship only really kicked in for me in The Angels Take Manhattan when Amy decided to jump off the roof with Rory even though there was a tiny chne she might survive. Plus she ignored the Doctor just so she coul be with her husband.
The one line that really got me was this-
"We're changing the future. It's called 'marriage'."
Plus-
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Oh boy. Doctor Who. (Spoilers, sweetie!) by
on 2014-07-08 14:23:00 UTC
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For me, I actually started shipping 9/Rose when 9 absorbed the heart of the TARDIS to save Rose's life and ended up regenerating. And that just sort of... carried over for the tenth Doctor. ^_^ I won't lie, though- I'm still upset at how the writers handled Rose and 10.2... I'm sorry, but they aren't the same person.
"Here, Rose! Sorry for getting you stuck in an alternate dimension! Have a consolation prize: your very own Doctor look-alike!"
*ahem* Sorry, got a bit OT there.
I shipped Rory and Amy REALLY hard- until Amy tried to cheat on Rory with the Doctor the night before the wedding. I didn't have much of a high opinion of her until that moment on the roof. The whole season I kept wishing the writers didn't hate Rory so much. He guarded Amy's prison for thousands of years and he was smart enough to realize how the TARDIS' 'bigger on the inside' technology worked before the Doctor explained it, and was all around just a decent guy. I'm glad Amy came through for him.
Let's see... In Harry Potter, I started shipping Ron and Hermione after their fight at the Yule Ball. But most of the time, I reserve shippings until either people pair up or the series ends. I like canon pairings. So sue me.
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In my Caesar vein, by
on 2014-07-08 08:59:00 UTC
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definitely Act IV scene iii for Brutus and Cassius. Didn't help that the first production I saw of them had them kissing in it.
But going back to my other ships? Imma have to go with the 'because you are my friend' scene for Kirk and Spock, because even though I would love to rip the scripts of the Reboot to pieces, I have to admit that particular bit got me going OH YOU TWO I SHIP IT.
And for BBC Sherlock, I definitely shipped John and Sherlock by the end of PINK. Whoops. Probably the instant when John looks at Sherlock and is all 'oh god yes' to seeing more crime scenes. The acting is phenomenal in that bit, the tension extremely palpable. And I'm pretty sure most people don't say 'oh god yes' in the tone Martin Freeman used in that scene when they're going to go see a crime scene with someone they've barely just met. -
Not much of a shipper myself... by
on 2014-07-08 05:17:00 UTC
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...but I found that Kellam (a knight in an oversized suit of armour that everyone seems to forget) and Maribelle (a snobbish upper-class lady that is an expert medic/combat mage) from Fire Emblem worked vey well with each other. Each is the polar opposite of the other and they just play off each other so well, IMO.
You can watch the support conversations on YouTube here.
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UK Gathering Final Planning. by
on 2014-07-08 11:25:00 UTC
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Okay, UKvian PPCers - we have a Gathering planned, and it's time to finalise the details. I'm going to list what I think is a decent setup, and if think anything needs changing - say so! Nothing's set in stone yet.
THE DATE: 16th August. We've previously discussed this, and it seemed like the date most of us could get there.
THE PLACE: London. Specifically, how about the British Museum? It's free to enter, full of the traditional Shiny Objects, fairly central (as I described here), and within walking distance of Covent Garden if we decide to go window shopping afterwards.
THE MEETING POINT: Probably the best thing to do would be to pick a column - how about the leftmost column on the main entrance staircase? This one. That's easy to find, not in the way, and not likely to go away.
THE TIME: 11 am? 12 noon? It looks like noon is fairly standard, so let's go with that, unless people have a problem with it.
THE LENGTH: I'm going to say 3-4 hours. The museum closes at 5:30, so there's no problem there. The other thing that was brought up is football fixtures; well, it looks like they're all starting at 3. We can hide in the museum while people flock into London to watch the game/s, and if we finish around half three (give or take half an hour), we should be able to all get away from central London before the games finish and people flock back out.
So... what does anyone think? What've I said that's stupid? What needs adjusting? What is the capital of Assyria?
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Sounds good. (nm) by
on 2014-07-12 19:45:00 UTC
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I won't be able to make it. Maybe next time. (nm) by
on 2014-07-09 15:43:00 UTC
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That all sounds good to me (nm) by
on 2014-07-09 11:30:00 UTC
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That seems fine to me. by
on 2014-07-09 10:12:00 UTC
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Lycaenion and I are likely to get there first by virtue of already being in London at the time. If possible I'll make a sign so other PPCers will recognise us.
If they don't somehow notice the large blonde Brit and the petite dark American ladies squeeing to each other. :P -
Ooh! Nineveh! by
on 2014-07-08 16:08:00 UTC
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Guess who actually learned something in history class? That's right. True, I only remember this fact because of Monty Python, but still.
Have a fun Gathering, guys! {= D
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I don't kno- WAAAAAAAAAAHH! by
on 2014-07-08 14:26:00 UTC
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Wait- dangit, Kitty got to it first! :(
Anyway, you lot have fun! Next year I'll be on my own and able to make decisions for myself for a change, so if I'm not a poor college student, I'll definitely go to the next gathering! -
Oh, I totally called that. ^_^ (nm) by
on 2014-07-08 14:43:00 UTC
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I don't know that! by
on 2014-07-08 12:59:00 UTC
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*gets flung off the Bridge of Doom*
AAAAAAaaaahhhh...
Yeah. Anyway, the plans do sound great, but unfortunately (or fortunatly, if you hate me) I can't make it. Darn. Maybe when I finally leave school, but that isn't for a while, so. Have fun, take pictures, write a report and tell us all about it! ^_^
By the way,
What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow!!??
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Permission Request by
on 2014-07-08 16:57:00 UTC
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I'll be changing my board name to TooPurple, since apparently that's the name I wanted when signing up for the AMSCES.
All my paperwork should be in order here. Let me know if you can't access it. https://drive.google.com/?authuser=0&usp=docs_web#folders/0B5Km1DT-wiaHVWFYek5CcXFsdG8 -
From the top, then... by
on 2014-07-13 05:29:00 UTC
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I really couldn't get into your writing sample at all. It feels like it's going through the motions without any interest or emotion, a marionette show rather than a story. It's relatively sound from a technical perspective, but there's far more to writing than crossing all your 'T's and dotting all your 'I's.
I have no sense of who your characters are, what makes them tick, or what they like or dislike. I don't even have any sense that the organization in the recruitment story is the PPC - beyond the explanation that Agent Lowe gives, it feels nothing like the PPC. An interrogation room? A human in a suit? The line about Fisher being "made to be a cafeteria worker"? This is not what the PPC feels like.
Secondly, your behavior has been uninspiring. You rushed into your first permission request - which, in all fairness, happens a lot - but even your reply there showed no indication that you recognized what had gone wrong. I quote: "I suppose that it is professional to send a standard rejection notice when a manuscript has been chewed up by the post office" - a third-person-passive response that accepts no responsibility.
This permission request seems to have the exact same problem - rather than take the time to put together an organized request, you just dumped a link to a gdocs folder. This shows an active lack of respect for the PGs and process, and I would like to take this excellent opportunity to remind you that the PGs are both doing this in their spare time and are some of the more respected members of the community. Demonstrating that you don't respect people that the community tends to respect really doesn't do much to argue in your favor. (For that matter, your inability to get along with Neshomeh, who is one of the nicer PGs, is a significant point against you.)
And then there's this thread. You made a mistake, certainly - just about everyone has. However, you then doubled down and tried to defend what you had said, rather than admit that you had made a mistake.
On those two considerations, I'm going to have to deny permission.
Finally, there is this thread and its fallout. Your exchanges with Neshomeh, VM, and Ekyl were irrational, bordering on incoherent, and completely out of line with what is expected of you on this forum. Furthermore, you have demonstrated no willingness to accept any responsibility for what happened. Your first "apology" message is nothing more than a list of excuses - it contains neither acknowledgement that you were out of line nor a single mention of the people you attacked. (For comparison's sake, you mentioned yourself in it no less than sixteen times.) Your behavior in the last two days would, on its own, be grounds for denial of permission. -
Problems with the characterisation by
on 2014-07-13 14:39:00 UTC
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For the recruitment story, I'm working in the dark on what happens when a self-insert who is sent to legal turns out to not be a real person. I'm also having trouble finding the origin stories for most of the former Sues, and what the process is to take them in beyond the "Sue support group." I have seen the "join or die" approach, but more for bits who would disappear with their fic.
If there is information on this, or simply a better approach to the problem, I'd love to hear it.
As for Larry's problem, I would think that some recruits are judged as unsuitable for field work and offered support jobs instead. It's not so much "go work in the cafeteria" as "choose a non-action department or ask to be sent home." I do see fics where the Flowers don't always put people where they want to go. https://docs.google.com/document/d/12dCWf7UErXDX9kAdBVIW-pVARa19kQeb70_Q-T10BuA/edit
I've got a tenuous idea that Larry took advantage of what training he could get as a cafeteria worker. It would make sense that they could have both physical training and combat training available even to support personnel, considering how often in the past they had to fight for their lives. Perhaps he even finds some Agents who actually like to talk about what they do. These things would change his suitability.
Thanks for taking the time to address what's wrong with my characters.
And yeah, I did rush into my first permission request because following the no writing rule was causing me problems. I rushed into this one as well because I'd like some support on what I am writing. I hope I can get that support on my out of continuity stuff so that it is not table-slappingly bad. -
If you're looking for support, by
on 2014-07-13 23:02:00 UTC
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Have you tried asking for a beta reader? That's one of the main ways of getting advice here. I can't recall seeing you ask for one, but then I'm not that active here at the minute, so I may have missed it.
Anyway, if you'd like a beta I'd be willing to help out. -
Something specific by
on 2014-07-13 23:35:00 UTC
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Could you look at Samantha's origin story and help me figure out a better way to present it? Actually sporking the story would involve me finding lost files or rewriting parts of a fanfic that I hate and want to start over on.
The interrogation room was similar to its counterpart seen on many cop shows. It was a box with a single door, the entirety paneled in generic surface. On one wall, where a large two-way mirror should be, were instead a series of tiny windows that did not try to disguise the darkened room beyond. A large table with a bar affixed to its surface stood between two pairs of chairs that were bolted to the floor.
A female humanoid with dark hair and pale skin was chained the table's bar. She perched on the edge of the chair so that the manacles didn't dig into her wrists. She shot to her feet and bared her fangs as the door opened, but the chains prevented her from going anywhere. She seemed embarrassed as she sat again and tried to arrange herself for the least discomfort.
A bipedal bull in a black uniform entered, followed by a bearded man in a business jacket.
“Hello, I'm Agent Phillip Lowe,” the man said. “I'm sorry about the wait. There was a slight paperwork issue, but we've got it sorted out now.”
“I have the right to legal counsel. I am an American citizen,” the prisoner argued.
“Unfortunately we are not part of any country, and your rights are limited. The good news is that I'm in charge of reviewing your situation. If you are open and honest with me, we should be able to find the best outcome for you.” He gave her a broad smile.
He didn't mention that they had already determined that she wasn't really a person, according to a record-search of World One. This time it was merely a formality, thanks to her author's self-insert avatar. Lowe's job was to judge if she was a redeemable character or should be disposed of as a Mary-Sue.
She glowered. “The woman who brought me here said that she would take me with her, but she neglected to mention that it would be to a jail.”
“We'll get to that eventually. This temporary holding area is for your safety as well as ours. Don't worry, leaving that world willingly is a point in your favor,” he said, flipping through the folder and scribbling a note.
Lowe pulled out his CAD. The agents had been using an analog CAD for that mission, so their recorded reading was a non-standard “needled out and broke.” Even if they had been using a model that he was familiar with, he preferred to trust his own readings. Hiding his trepidation, he pointed his CAD at the prisoner. [Samantha, female vampire, original character, 20% non-canonical.] Lowe frowned and scribbled his finding in the relevant margin.
He flipped back to the first page of the file to remind himself of the important details. The summary read: standard “sucked into known media” plot, class five reality disruption that stabilized quickly, naturalization occurred, but in a non-canonical AU.
“Well, we have the agents' report, but we are interested in your point of view. Keep in mind that this discussion is a small part of our process.” Lowe flipped to the second page, smiled, and said, “Let's begin at the beginning. Tell me about how you arrived in that world.”
It was a moment before Samantha spoke. “I remember not knowing how came to arrive in Janos' home. I am unsure if it was because I felt sorry for him and made a bad wish, or if that is how I justified it afterward.” She paused. “When I arrived there, I only had a moment to think. I recognized where I was, but did not have time to consider the repercussions before I acted.”
Lowe made a mental note to ask about the repercussions later. “And then what happened?”
“Thanks to me, Janos survived what was supposed to be his death, and the Sarafan took me to their stronghold. I lost consciousness when they were torturing me, and when I woke up, Kain had rescued me. I hoped that by helping him, I would be allowed to return home.”
“Why did Kain help you, and why did you focus on him?”
“Kain said that something drew him to me. I believe that he could sense whatever was allowing me to defy the temporal laws of his world. He would have used my strange influence whether I was willing or not. I was fortunate that he did not hurt me when he learned that I had knowledge and refused to share it immediately.”
“You said that helping Kain might take you home?” Lowe prompted.
“It is his game, well, also Raziel's. Kain is where the story began, but he was also standing at the end. The fate of Nosgoth rests on him.”
Lowe scribbled a note about “helping the hero” in the file and said. “You mentioned something about breaking the rules of that world.”
“There are two forces in that world. Destiny dictates the important events in their lives, and there is almost nothing they can do to escape it. History will prevent a time-traveler from altering significant events.” Samantha clenched her fists. “I should not have been able to save Janos Audron. There were too many events that were tied to his death.”
Lowe gave her a moment as he turned to another section of the file. “It says that you kept influencing the main characters even after that.”
“The damage had been done, and the consequences would have been far worse if I had said nothing. I could only convince them to follow the path that they would have taken without my interference. I am glad that Raziel did not learn the truth of his Destiny from me, but there are events that would have been difficult. I eventually would have been responsible for my own sire's murder.”
He noticed how much angst-fuel Samantha had, and wondered how much therapy it would require to make her well-adjusted. “It says that you asked to be made into a vampire.”
“I would not have chosen the dark gift if I were not dying. All souls are consumed by a horrible creature and I was desperate to avoid that fate.”
Lowe decided that he couldn't stand much more. He decided not to ask about a tragic childhood because her present was depressing enough. The file indicated that she had even suffered an existential crisis about being a vampire. “Let's talk about what you did when the agents read your charges.”
“I fear I that got distracted when they mentioned 'trans-dimensional.' I imagine that I interrupted them when I demanded to know if they were responsible for my predicament,” Samantha admitted. “I should have been more wary. They wanted to remove me from Nosgoth, and I happily followed them when they assured me that the original time-line would reassert itself once I was away. Was this the case?”
“Don't worry, restoring canonical time-lines is the primary mission of the PPC,” Lowe assured her. “Reading the charge list is more of a formality, but I have a copy right here if you are curious.”
At her nod, Lowe flipped to the appropriate page and began reading. “Being a Self-Insert and causing a Class 5 reality dysfunction, having such a high Sue reading that it broke the CAD, creating an alternate universe, causing main characters to care about and fight over you, causing main characters to have rule-breaking powers, asking to become a vampire, having an important vampire change you, having angst about having to drink blood, having angst in general, posing as an oracle, using time-travel to create a deus-ex-machina, having main characters confide in you above other canon characters, causing a character's girlfriend to cease existing, and telling a main character about said girlfriend to instigate romantic feelings but pretending not to be interested.”
Samantha's nails dragged on the table, producing an unpleasant screech. “I certainly was not interested in Kain! He is a monster, and preventing his doomed romance had very little to do with my intentions.” She composed herself. “There were times that I regretted interfering, and I sometimes did question my choice to become a vampire. Of the rest that I understand from that list, there are things for which I could not be held accountable.”
For the first time, Lowe stopped smiling. “We determined that the charges stand, and the only thing left is decide what to do with you. We can't remove your vampirism, so we can't send you to any place other than Nosgoth. But if the rules of that world don't apply to you even after we remove your memories, we will simply have to dispose of you.”
Samantha snarled as she stood, but she only bruised her wrists on her restraints again. She breathed heavily as she stared at Lowe in anger. “I do not wish to die. However, it is preferable to die here than to be sent back to Nosgoth, even if I become ignorant of what will happen when the inevitable comes.”
“There is one more possibility. We at at PPC are always recruiting new agents; people who go into other worlds and remove intruders. The hours are long, the pay is nonexistent, and in my opinion you would go flamethrower-crazy in less than a year. But I could ignore my better judgment and forward your file to the Marquis de Sod. There's no guarantee that you'll be accepted, but it may be worth a shot.”
Samantha was silent for a moment, then made a sound between a cough and a laugh. “Yet another choiceless choice. By all means, send my file. It would not do to refuse this opportunity.”
Charge List:
Being a Self-Insert and causing a Class 5 reality dysfunction
Having such a high Sue reading that it broke the CAD
Creating an alternate universe
Causing main characters to care about and fight over you
Causing main characters to have rule-breaking powers
Asking to become a vampire
Having an important vampire change you
Having angst about having to drink blood
Having angst in general
Posing as an oracle
Using time-travel to create a deus-ex-machina
Having main characters confide in you above other canon characters
Causing a character's girlfriend to cease existing
Telling a main character about said girlfriend to instigate romantic feelings, but pretending not to be interested
I cannot decide if Philip Lowe is actually there to examine her, or if he is a sociopathic testing instrument that has no actual say in whether or not the file gets forwarded to the appropriate department.
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OK, a couple of things by
on 2014-07-14 00:34:00 UTC
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1) This isn't going to be a detailed response, mostly because I'm based in the UK, and it's just gone midnight.
2) Generally speaking, betaing is done off the Board - either in GoogleDocs, a Word file or something. Putting stuff up on the Board is publishing it, and you're going to want a beta to take a look at it before that stage. I tried to access Samantha's recruitment story from the Google drive link you gave at the top of this thread, but it was only allowing me some strange preview view. If you can change the access settings so that I can comment directly on the text, then that'd probably be the easiest way of doing it.
3) Yup, I can go through the story and make suggestions. Just bear in mind that I'm not a Permission Giver myself, so my opinion of what they're after may not match up exactly with what they want. -
Re: OK, a couple of things by
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Here's a copy in native GDOCS, I don't think LibreOffice plays completely nice with it. Go ahead and mess, it's an extra-redundant copy.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17jop35bT-jVk4kgG-dtsgL307iQ0gOWfeYvpKwH1hgM/edit?usp=sharing -
Re: If you're looking for support, by
on 2014-07-13 23:32:00 UTC
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I did not ask for a beta reader before because I was trying to hide that I was writing without permission. And most of it is in the stage of not so much needing a beta as needing some bored person to present an opinion on a rough sketch.
I forgot what some of my concerns were.
There is one thing that I wrote where I began to doubt if the story was even missionable. I'm still debating whether I should fix the glaring problem besides that, or have other eyes tell me to find a different story. I think that the mission is more NSFW than the original story, which was a YKINMK, and I might have pushed the NSFB aspect. There is also something I read today that might be a critical research failure on my part or just an odd quirk of that author.
The rest is a mess.
One that is still in the peat-moss stage needs a complete rewrite because the dominant agent should be letting the weaker one run the show.
Another one is dependent on rewriting Samantha's origin story.
The rest are too skeletal to look at. -
Samantha gets recruited by
on 2014-07-09 14:22:00 UTC
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The interrogation room was similar to its counterpart seen on many cop shows. It was a box with a
single door, the entirety paneled in generic surface. On one wall, where a large twoway mirror
should be, were instead a series of tiny windows that did not try to disguise the darkened room
beyond. A large table with a bar affixed to its surface stood between two pairs of chairs that were
bolted to the floor.
A female humanoid with dark hair and pale skin was chained the table's bar. She perched on the
edge of the chair so that the manacles didn't dig into her wrists. She shot to her feet and bared her
fangs as the door opened, but the chains prevented her from going anywhere. She seemed
embarrassed as she sat again and tried to arrange herself for the least discomfort.
A bipedal bull in a black uniform entered, followed by a bearded man in a business jacket.
“Hello, I'm Agent Phillip Lowe,” the man said. “I'm sorry about the wait. There was a slight
paperwork issue, but we've got it sorted out now.”
“I have the right to legal counsel. I am an American citizen,” the prisoner argued.
“Unfortunately we are not part of any country, and your rights are limited. The good news is that
I'm in charge of reviewing your situation. If you are open and honest with me, we should be able
to find the best outcome for you.” He gave her a broad smile.
He didn't mention that they had already determined that she wasn't really a person, according to a
recordsearch of World One. This time it was merely a formality, thanks to her author's selfinsert
avatar. Lowe's job was to judge if she was a redeemable character or should be disposed of as a
MarySue.
She glowered. “The woman who brought me here said that she would take me with her, but she
neglected to mention that it would be to a jail.”
“We'll get to that eventually. This temporary holding area is for your safety as well as ours. Don't
worry, leaving that world willingly is a point in your favor,” he said, flipping through the folder
and scribbling a note.
Lowe pulled out his CAD. The agents had been using an analog CAD for that mission, so their
recorded reading was a nonstandard “needled out and broke.” Even if they had been using a
model that he was familiar with, he preferred to trust his own readings. Hiding his trepidation, he
pointed his CAD at the prisoner. [Samantha, female vampire, original character, 20% non-
canonical.] Lowe frowned and scribbled his finding in the relevant margin.
He flipped back to the first page of the file to remind himself of the important details. The
summary read: standard “sucked into known media” plot, class five reality disruption that
stabilized quickly, naturalization occurred, but in a noncanonical AU.
“Well, we have the agents' report, but we are interested in your point of view. Keep in mind that
this discussion is a small part of our process.” Lowe flipped to the second page, smiled, and said,
“Let's begin at the beginning. Tell me about how you arrived in that world.”
It was a moment before Samantha spoke. “I remember not knowing how came to arrive in Janos'
home. I am unsure if it was because I felt sorry for him and made a bad wish, or if that is how I
justified it afterward.” She paused. “When I arrived there, I only had a moment to think. I
recognized where I was, but did not have time to consider the repercussions before I acted.”
Lowe made a mental note to ask about the repercussions later. “And then what happened?”
“Thanks to me, Janos survived what was supposed to be his death, and the Sarafan took me to their
stronghold. I lost consciousness when they were torturing me, and when I woke up, Kain had
rescued me. I hoped that by helping him, I would be allowed to return home.”
“Why did Kain help you, and why did you focus on him?”
“Kain said that something drew him to me. I believe that he could sense whatever was allowing
me to defy the temporal laws of his world. He would have used my strange influence whether I
was willing or not. I was fortunate that he did not hurt me when he learned that I had knowledge
and refused to share it immediately.”
“You said that helping Kain might take you home?” Lowe prompted.
“It is his game, well, also Raziel's. Kain is where the story began, but he was also standing at the
end. The fate of Nosgoth rests on him.”
Lowe scribbled a note about “helping the hero” in the file and said. “You mentioned something
about breaking the rules of that world.”
“There are two forces in that world. Destiny dictates the important events in their lives, and there
is almost nothing they can do to escape it. History will prevent a timetraveler from altering
significant events.” Samantha clenched her fists. “I should not have been able to save Janos
Audron. There were too many events that were tied to his death.”
Lowe gave her a moment as he turned to another section of the file. “It says that you kept
influencing the main characters even after that.”
“The damage had been done, and the consequences would have been far worse if I had said
nothing. I could only convince them to follow the path that they would have taken without my
interference. I am glad that Raziel did not learn the truth of his Destiny from me, but there are
events that would have been difficult. I eventually would have been responsible for my own sire's
murder.”
He noticed how much angstfuel Samantha had, and wondered how much therapy it would require
to make her welladjusted. “It says that you asked to be made into a vampire.”
“I would not have chosen the dark gift if I were not dying. All souls are consumed by a horrible
creature and I was desperate to avoid that fate.”
Lowe decided that he couldn't stand much more. He decided not to ask about a tragic childhood
because her present was depressing enough. The file indicated that she had even suffered an
existential crisis about being a vampire. “Let's talk about what you did when the agents read your
charges.”
“I fear I that got distracted when they mentioned 'transdimensional.' I imagine that I interrupted
them when I demanded to know if they were responsible for my predicament,” Samantha
admitted. “I should have been more wary. They wanted to remove me from Nosgoth, and I
happily followed them when they assured me that the original timeline would reassert itself once I
was away. Was this the case?”
“Don't worry, restoring canonical timelines is the primary mission of the PPC,” Lowe assured
her. “Reading the charge list is more of a formality, but I have a copy right here if you are
curious.”
At her nod, Lowe flipped to the appropriate page and began reading. “Being a SelfInsert and
causing a Class 5 reality dysfunction, having such a high Sue reading that it broke the CAD,
creating an alternate universe, causing main characters to care about and fight over you, causing
main characters to have rulebreaking powers, asking to become a vampire, having an important
vampire change you, having angst about having to drink blood, having angst in general, posing as
an oracle, using timetravel to create a deusexmachina, having main characters confide in you
above other canon characters, causing a character's girlfriend to cease existing, and telling a main
character about said girlfriend to instigate romantic feelings but pretending not to be interested.”
Samantha's nails dragged on the table, producing an unpleasant screech. “I certainly was not
interested in Kain! He is a monster, and preventing his doomed romance had very little to do with
my intentions.” She composed herself. “There were times that I regretted interfering, and I
sometimes did question my choice to become a vampire. Of the rest that I understand from that
list, there are things for which I could not be held accountable.”
For the first time, Lowe stopped smiling. “We determined that the charges stand, and the only
thing left is decide what to do with you. We can't remove your vampirism, so we can't send you to
any place other than Nosgoth. But if the rules of that world don't apply to you even after we
remove your memories, we will simply have to dispose of you.”
Samantha snarled as she stood, but she only bruised her wrists on her restraints again. She
breathed heavily as she stared at Lowe in anger. “I do not wish to die. However, it is preferable to
die here than to be sent back to Nosgoth, even if I become ignorant of what will happen when the
inevitable comes.”
“There is one more possibility. We at at PPC are always recruiting new agents; people who go
into other worlds and remove intruders. The hours are long, the pay is nonexistent, and in my
opinion you would go flamethrowercrazy in less than a year. But I could ignore my better
judgment and forward your file to the Marquis de Sod. There's no guarantee that you'll be
accepted, but it may be worth a shot.”
Samantha was silent for a moment, then made a sound between a cough and a laugh. “Yet another
choiceless choice. By all means, send my file. It would not do to refuse this opportunity.”
I cannot decide if Philip Lowe is actually there to examine her, or if he is a sociopathic testing
instrument that has no actual say in whether or not the file gets forwarded to the appropriate
department.
The readout if they had been using a normal CAD would be [Nope nope nope *POP*] as the
magic smoke leaks out.
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Writing Sample Third Person by
on 2014-07-09 14:05:00 UTC
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This is from a deliberately bad metastory where the canon characters know that a crazy fangirl
runs the world with inconsistently godlike powers. What they don't realize is that she's affected
their minds so that they are happier and more maliable.
The Chess Museum was a humble building that felt more like a public library than a gallery. Rows
of shelves held glass display boxes of chesspieces and boards instead of books, though there also
was a small collection of books about chess near the entrance.
Some chess sets were normal except for the artistic quality of their pieces. Others had oddly-
shaped boards or were designed for more than two players. There were even chesslike game sets
like Shogi and Chaturanga in the rear shelves.
Multiple tables were scattered in the main area. Kain and Vorador often met at this place. It was
completely neutral and open to all, but quiet because few knew that existed.
Kain and Vorador had chosen the most generic example of a normal chess set to play with, and
were playing with the standard rules.
“What possessed you to raise my sire's murderer as your child?” Vorador asked.
“That detail had been lost to legend,” Kain admitted. “I had merely found the tomb of their most
revered warriors, and defiled them.”
“I hope you are satisfied,” Vorador grumbled.
“It was magnificent,” Kain grinned. Then he sobered. “I shall miss them.”
Vorador frowned, but did not press for details. For most, it was impolite to inquire about dead
fledglings. In Kain's case, Vorador was afraid of the answers. He hadn't minded when he learned
the fates of the traitors he had mistakenly sired, but was still sore that Umah had been lumped in
with them.
“And now we have to suffer Malek's presence,” Vorador scowled, changing the subject.
“I never understood the value of simply humiliating an enemy,” Kain admitted.
Vorador was about to make his move, but he let his talon fall to the arm of his chair instead. “I
wish that he had found me sooner so that I could have killed him outright. Rage had blinded me,
and I was afraid of the damage I had already done.”
“Why did you help me, then?” Kain asked.
“I had a small shred of hope that you were our savior, but for the most part, I no longer cared.”
Vorador finally reached across the board and placed his knight with a firm tap.
Kain stood. “How dare you keep me ignorant of my role?”
“Those prophesies destroyed far greater vampires than you, Kain,” Vorador answered, also
standing. “Either you would save us or you wouldn't, and I was not going to burden you with
incomplete scraps that could be misinterpreted so easily.”
Both froze in dread at the palpable sensation of being watched. Every shadow seemed to stare
accusingly for the simple crime of speaking too loudly. Vorador and Kain both took their seats
again and tried to concentrate on the game until those inscrutable presences once again gave them
the barest of notice.
“The only thing that is protecting Malek now is that we have been told not to kill him,” Kain said,
pointedly ignoring their argument and the forces that had stopped them.
“As if you have ever paid attention when told not to do something,” Vorador complained.
“Though I do believe that she phrased it as a request.”
Kain frowned. He had faced impossible odds, a mad god, and defied fate itself. It wasn't that he
was afraid of a capricious girl who could control all of existence and bend his very thoughts to her
whim. He was simply aware that some scenarios were preferable to others.
“Tread carefully, Vorador. She has given you very little attention, but that may change,” Kain
warned. “Ignoring Malek is a small indignity, one that he may suffer for without our interference.”
“Malek did say that he suffered a fate worse than death after I had left him defeated,” Vorador
conceded. “I can only hope that allowing him to live now will bring him nothing but misery.”
When their game was finished, Kain and Vorador simply left the set sitting on the table, knowing
that the mysterious caretakers would return it to its place. -
Agent Lawrence Fisher by
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Stats:
Name: Lawrence Fisher (Larry)
Age, Sex, Species: 32 years, male, human
Home Continuum: 21st century Earth, unknown origin
RC, Department, Partner: RC 387, Floaters, Samantha
Appearance: Chubby-muscular. 5’10, Sandy-blond hair a couple inches long, medium skin tone, medium brown eyes.
Character Reference: Joey from Full House.
He’s eager. Not intellectual, but also not stupid. He tends to reference TV tropes when talking about something. (Note: make him say an entire sentence that is hard to understand unless the person knows tropes, and then make him repeat it in more layman’s language.)
Larry is a fan of anime, good animation, Sci-Fi, kid-friendly movies, and fun movies with a lot of special effects. He tends to be excited about missions if they don’t look too horrible at first glance. He likes meeting canon characters and helping them get back into canon before neuralysing them.
(Animation: Batman, Spiderman, Avatar, Gargoyles, Green Lantern, etc. Anime: both versions of Full Metal Alchemist, Pumpkin Scissors, Aquarion. Movies: most of the Pixar and Dreamworks, Transformers, First Knight, Men in Black, both versions of The Time Machine.)
(Find an excuse for him to watch Puella Magi Madoka Magica and Haibane Renmei. Also watch Sword Art Online, Hellsing, and Attack on Titan to see if I can learn the universes well enough to add them to his interests.)
He came from a “real” world through a plothole, but no one knows which world it was. (He’s a muggle from an American Harry Potter ripoff. Or he’s a muggle from Skin Deep.)
He has an academic interest in medieval weapons and how well fantasy weapons would work. (Watch Cloud’s buster sword in real life videos.)
He was shown how to use a handgun during his PPC training. This makes him handy with a tranquilizer pistol, but he needs to hit his partner at least once. (Samantha’s flesh necrotizes around the impact site quickly, and she doesn’t go unconscious. She recovers with application of the whatsit.)
Larry is afraid of spiders for no good reason.
What department would get him used to the PPC, but still make him long for the excitement of actually going into the Word Worlds? Was he a dissatisfied Intelligence Agent, or was he made to be a Cafeteria worker for several months before training to kill Sues? -
My not-Permission Giver opinion by
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AMSCES? Don't you mean ACMSES? (Anti-Cliche and Mary Sue Elimination Society) Why would that require a name change?
The second permission prompt for Kimberley and Hue seems a little short. Try adding more detail. (Samantha and Larry's second one is still missing.) I like the ones you have up, though, especially the one where Samantha and Larry get hooked on Madoka Magica.
I'll repeat what I said earlier--you're very good at building character backstories. A potential agent from Rainbow Brite is interesting as well. Remind me, what role does Elizabeth have in all this? Creating multiple characters makes them a little confusing to us. -
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I'll be changing my board name since my Wikia name is TooPurple. Apperently I forgot about that, but my computer remembered when I was messing around with names.
Samantha and Larry's second prompt is they get a mission.
Elizabeth's role is kinda growing as I think about it. Basically she's coming in as someone that Samantha irrationally hates and is jealous of. (Someone said that having two self-inserts from the same author arguing might be interesting.) Since Larry was created to be nothing more than Samantha's foil, doing interludes with him and Elizabeth will help me figure out who he is when not being overshadowed. -
Agent Samantha by
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Name: Samantha Frankson
Age, Sex, Species: Female, 23 years as a human, plus about 450 as a Nosgoth second-generation vampire
Home Continuum: Her childhood memories are from a “real” 21st century Earth, but she’s lived in Nosgoth for most of her life
RC, Department, Partner: RC 387, Floaters, (focuses on the Legacy of Kain continuum between her partner’s interests,) partnered with Lawrence Fisher.
Appearance: Petite, about 5-foot 4-inches. Black hair to mid-shoulderblades, pale skin tone, yellow eyes, pointed ears, dark lips, and fangs. When disguised as her human self, she has curly blonde hair and bright blue eyes.
View “Vampire strengths and Weaknesses that apply to Samantha” to see the justification for my head-canon vampire template.
Samantha was a twenty-something inhabitant of the “real world” and a fangirl of the Legacy of Kain video game series. She then was sucked into Nosgoth and was a Mary-Sue for the full five minutes it took to realize what was going on and save a main character from dying. Then some flavor of reality kicked in and she had a horrible and miserable week of being a less-than average human in Nosgoth. Then she became sick, had to beg the canon characters not to let her die, and the only way to save her was to turn her into a vampire. She then spends the next 500 years being an ally and adviser to the canon characters.
Her memories and official PPC file show that she was confronted for breaking the universe. She apologized that she didn’t mean it and said that she wanted to be human again and taken home, but also showed concern for the reality she was in since she knew about the damage. (The C-CAD popped before giving a good reading.) The main reason that she wasn’t killed as a Sue was because Despatch took her mission and Legal offered her a choice.
Samantha has some difficulty relating to people, especially young humans. She has an internal thought process that artificially prompts her to treat everyone as a person even if she sees them as walking prey. (She consciously thinks about how she smiles, whether or not she wants to show her fangs.) She is used to being subordinate, so will follow instructions from someone she respects as more-knowledgeable. Samantha has imperfect self-control. She can get angry without showing it, but will occasionally lash out, even if she apologizes for being so blunt immediately after.
Character reference, Florence Ambrose from Freefall. A little bit of McGonagal’s prickly on the outside with even less softness on the inside.
She is competent in defending herself unarmed against pikes and swords. She can somewhat handle a sword. She can kill someone with her bare claws, and needs training in non-lethal unarmed fighting. She is fairly helpless when disguised as a human or anything similar, but will insist on more training after her first mission gets her shot.
She has no self-agency. Things happen to her instead of her making things happen. When she graduated High School, she still didn’t know what she wanted to be when she grew up. Fate had her witness a crime so her attention to detail could be noticed by an investigator who told her he’d hire her if she went through the right training. She said yes. Since then, she’s been presented with choices that had a clearer “right” answer, and has the gall to be angry when the other option is death. It is strange when she expresses a desire to do missions outside of the Legacy of Kain fandom.
She has the ability to memorize well. It is not eidetic, but rather a study and recall habit. This means that she has to notice something and consciously decide to remember it, and she might forget something if it has been a while since she last thought of it. She cannot decide to forget something on command.
She could have been smart, but she is under-educated and never bothered to learn some of the more useful knowledge. There is also a difference between memorizing something and comprehending it. One of the talents she developed was to draw recognizably from memory.
Sometimes she gets OCD-like tendencies, but it never gets bad enough to become a properly diagnosable issue. Usually it doesn’t disturb her when something is out of place, she just notices it and manages to stop thinking about it. Sometimes she will be unable to sleep if she has left something unfinished or starts worrying about the mini-squids escaping.
Because she was trapped in a video game, she has a slight anxiety when something reminds her of that. Not really a weakness because the anxiety is easily manageable. She is also afraid of the Elder God, but that is a sensible extension of being afraid of dying. -
I don’t know whether the Permission Givers can access this – by
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I can’t. The problem may be that I may need a Google account, but I’m not sure about this.
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That's probably it. by
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I can access it without any problems.
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Yeah, I'm just waiting for the second prompt to be posted. by
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'Cause, y'know, writing-wise, we specifically ask for character bios, a response to one of four control prompts, and a response to one of the random prompts from the table.
... Didn't I have this same problem the last time? {= /
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Actually, the second prompt is Samantha's recruitment. I forgot about that this morning since I couldn't see it. It's marked alpha and doesn't look like a file.
Larry's is a boring tale that I would struggle to make 100 words, that Samantha wouldn't care about, and it might involve annoying the Marquis de Sod unceasingly for an entire year if I spice it up.
I'm thinking Samantha wouldn't tell him because I'm having trouble getting her to talk about her vampirism to him. Seriously, last time I tried, I kept freezing because she kept wanting to gut him. -
In that case, I'm waiting for the first one. by
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Because "character bios, one control prompt, and one piece of fanfic" is not the same as "character bios, one control prompt, and one random prompt from the table." So far, you've provided the former; I'm looking for the latter.
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Should've said you couldn't access my drive. by
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Prompt 62: The agents receive a parcel.
In RC 387, Samantha and Larry were having an argument about the ending of “Bill & Ted’s Bogus Journey.”
“It only looks like it broke the rules because Rufus did not completely explain the finer points of how time travel functions,” Samantha said. “Imagine that you are providing a time machine to two idiots who cannot pass a history exam without help. It is completely plausible that he only gave them the instructions they needed to accomplish the task.”
While Larry was thinking, a knock sounded at the RC door. Thanks to a faulty latch, it decided to swing open on its own. Samantha leaped to her feet to confront their visitor.
“I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to, it just came open,” the young boy said.
“It does tend to,” Samantha said as she relaxed slightly. “Who are you, and why have you come?”
“Simon, from the Postal Department. I have a package for Agent Lawrence Fisher.”
“That’s me.”
Since Samantha was the one standing, she took the package from Simon and closed the door. She handed the package to Larry, who shrugged as he opened the box. Inside was a box set of Puella Magi Madoka Magica. A note typed on the packing slip read “Please add this canon to your knowledge.”
“But it’s a magical girl anime,” he complained as he read the back of the box. “How about you take it?”
“Japanese cartoons tend to be weird,” she answered. “It was addressed to you.”
“Watch it with me.” Larry put the disc into the dvd slot on the console.
Samantha quickly lost interest due to the surrealism, but Larry was hooked by the third episode. Then she became mildly interested by overhearing the end of episode six. By episode eight, both were practically drooling with the desire to see the next plot twist.
Ten minutes into episode ten, the video stuttered, and the console started playing the mission tone. Larry punched the “accept” button and shouted, “That is the worst timing ever!” He read a line of the brief and said, “It’s one of yours.”
Samantha grimaced as she convinced herself that they could finish watching the anime when they got back. She quickly read over the mission and asked, “Are you willing to try again at pretending to be a vampire?” -
I can access it just fine, actually. by
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I just wasn't about to go through all twenty files in there and guess which were the ones I was supposed to look at this time. The onus is on the Permission Requester to make sure their request is complete and presented cohesively. I would have said so, but then you started posting stuff on the Board, so I was hoping I wouldn't have to.
Now that all four things are here, I'll actually read them and get back to you.
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You resemble someone who strives to be difficult on purpose. (nm by
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That was uncalled for. by
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And incredibly rude to throw at Neshomeh, who, after all, is doing this out of her own spare time, voluntarily. Especially since she has a very valid point there; the PGs have lives, and finite amounts of time in which to live them. Expecting us to go through every single file out of twenty or so, rather than simply labeling them in the header, is very disrespectful.
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Re: That was uncalled for. by
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Someone else managed to find the relevant information and comment on it. Maybe I should have labeled my files.
I am more concerned that Neshoma was the one to review my application last time and none of the other permission givers chimed in. Now she is first permission giver again and everyone else is probably just going to fall in behind her again. -
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That's probably something that should've been brought up in private. And it absolutely does not excuse your being rude to her. However, let me debunk something for you. The first permission giver with the time and inclination is the one to reply, and if they are even slightly unsure of their decision, they/we seek a second opinion, either on the Board or off. Nobody "falls in behind" an opinion they don't agree with, and I do somewhat resent that implication. In case it's unclear, we tend to be pretty open about our opinions hereabouts.
All that said - Nesh, would you prefer to pass this one along? I had a sketched opinion based on the three stories I did read, but I never finished goin through the whole folder. -
Yeah, I won't be making a decision at this point. by
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Someone else should absolutely take over. This will be my last post in this thread.
However, for the record, I'd like to suggest that anyone has the right to ask (politely) for a second opinion if they think the first PG to give a ruling on their request might be biased in some way. We are not a hive mind, and we can (and often do!) have different opinions about things. Just ask an oldbie how often they've seen me and hS get into a bickering match about something. *g*
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Re: That was uncalled for. by
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I apologize or assuming that things I wasn't aware of weren't happening, and simply judging on things that I could see.
I apologize for assuming that one person, one human person with passions similar to mine, was the judge of my works.
I am guilty of comparing the entirety of the ppc permission panel to what I've seen, and letting it remind me of something else.
I also apologize for getting offended when black people sneered at me. Just because I didn't know about my racism doesn't mean I could feel uppity when they reacted to that invisible R over my head. -
Might I invoke Article 5? by
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This is quickly degrading into scathing sarcasm, and I fear name-calling is not far off. I'm not pointing any fingers, but I am suggesting that this line of discussion be dropped at once.
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Um, no. by
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I don't know if you're being sarcastic - your post doesn't make much sense in any other context - but you'll note that what I actually said was that you were rude to Neshomeh. You have - potentially sarcastically - apologized for a number of assumptions which aren't that big a deal, but what I'm concerned about here is not your assumptions but your increasingly rude and dismissive behavior.
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Did I miss something, with that last one? (nm) by
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Re: Did I miss something, with that last one? by
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I dunno, I'm busy getting pissed off at the loop I got caught in.
That was a good video, how about another drink?
You're walking around on a swollen ankle, how about you pick at that rancid-smelling pasta instead?
Nah, how about another video?
I should have a talk with my husband about whether or not he wants me to keep existing. -
Spouting angry non-sequiturs won't help your case... (nm) by
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SURVEY by
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This survey is aimed at gathering data about SEP fields, Canon Cloaking, and disguises. How they are used in stories, what people think about them in their headcanon that sort of thing.
The questions about have your agents ever directly used this, can only be answered yes if you actually have agents that have used it in a story that made it to posting. It's sort of a prevalence of appearance question. If you don't have agents, the headcanon questions still allow you to participate in the survey.
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Did it last night, forgot to say anything. (nm) by
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Done by
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Since the Disguise questions didn’t distinct between headcanon and what has been described in mission reports, and my non-existent agents cannot actually do anything, I may need to list my rather random answers here, so that the numbers for “actually mentioned” may be decreased appropriately:
D1: Do your agents use disguises?
Yes, but only when they don't already blend in or spend the entire mission hiding under a bed (in a closet, behind the walls, etc).
D2: What are your agents aiming for when they wear disguises?
They try to blend in with their surroundings with something that will be at least probable throughout the entire mission (unless I get an idea that’s more funny).
D3: How thoroughly are your agents changed when they wear a disguise?
It depends on the particular agent. (As far as I can see now, my agents will be a World of Warcraft night elf druid and a human from World One, and their missions will mostly be in the potterverse, where the night elf needs a change of species, but the human doesn’t.)
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There, you have my response. by
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My agents have toyed with the 'canon characters not seeing them' effect a fair bit. Of particular interest would be my final interlude to date, involving the Blackout.
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And done. by
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I've gone for the minority (of one) opinion that there's no such thing as SEP fields and sticking wires on the back of a bit of fabric is a bloomin' stupid idea. However, I'm not adverse to other people claiming there's SEP fields in the PPC (it would be quite difficult to claim they haven't), and will merrily theorise about how they work. Just don't expect me to mention them in my stories. ^-^
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I can't take it if I haven't done any missions? Aw...
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I'm taking it, since not yet means no (nm) by
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Well... by
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The rules for the survey specifically say that I have to have done missions to describe the disguises they used. Unfortunately, I don't have any missions under my belt yet, so the answer is "I would love to take the survey, but unfortunately, I can't."
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Ahem. *quotes Miah's post* by
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"If you don't have agents, the headcanon questions still allow you to participate in the survey."
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Oh by
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My bad. I misread it. Sorry, everyone.
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Oh. Whoops. by
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I took it. I know this is my (2nd?) day and I'm still very new, but I answered to the best of my knowledge (with some examples from the missions I've read) to keep in line for what I would use in my own (after being here for a while and asking, of course) possible missions. I apologize if I did not qualify, but I answered as best as I could to preserve the integrity of the survey.
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I guess it's actually okay by
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Looks like I misread the rules. It's fine.
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huh, didn't notice that in the sample by
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I started having a bad day, so decided to take it tomorrow morning.
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This was cool! Do another survey! :P (nm) by
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Done! (nm) by
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Question by
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Sorry I wasn't involved when this was being discussed in the first place, but:
You ask a couple of times, "Do your agents directly mention X?" Does that mean strictly in the agents' dialogue, or do you mean something like "Is X directly mentioned in your missions?" or "Do your agents know about/believe in X?" 'Cause my agents never mention SEP fields or canon-cloaking in their dialogue, but I do mention them in the narrative, sometimes obviously as part of the agents' thoughts (e.g. "[Nume] trusted the SEP field to keep [himself and Brightbeard] from notice"). I would answer No to the first question, but Yes to either of the other two.
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I meant in the missions. Not just directly in their dialogue. I am trying for how often does this appear in our written PPC canon.
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I added a note under the question to clarify that. (nm) by
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Has anyone else seen this yet? by
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http://www.mtv.com/news/1832355/kylie-kendall-jenner-book-excerpt/
Apparently, the two youngest Kardashians have penned a novel. Just from reading chapter one and a brief summary, I can glean that it follows the now-weary dystopian orphan ~~*~*~speshul teenage girls~*~*~* formula.
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This. I want. Feed me. by
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Man, I am definitely getting this novel. There's so much I like about these two chapters!
The world-building is just straight-up fantastic. It does get a little prosy here, but it's a reasonable way to introduce the reader to the characteristics of the world. (And it sure hooked me in, too!) I love that the action so far is mostlyly dominated by female characters. We've got Waslo and Master, and one dead dad, and even those two living men are more peripheral compared to Governess' influence over Livia's life.
I can't wait to see Livia and Lex unite and tear down this wretched society!
Also, did anyone else see this in the sidebar?
http://www.mtv.com/news/1862915/jk-rowling-new-harry-potter-story/ -
What is an Airess? (nm) by
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Well she lives on a floating island. by
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Up in the air.
And she's an heiress.
. . .
I guess . . . you could say . . .
*Caruso's shades*
She's an Airess.
http://cow.org/csi/ - A female Heir of Breath. by on 2014-07-09 17:55:00 UTC Link to this
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I get Homestuck jokes now! by
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*squees*
Whaaaaaat? I'm finally reading Homestuck (I'm in the [o] section of Act 5 Act 2), and it makes me absurdly happy to finally get these things.
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*eyebrow* Fascinating. by
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The society in the book appears to be a bizarre combination of future dystopia and Victorian England (governesses, debutante ball, Proper Young Ladies, all that rot).
It's not terrible, I'll give them that. The narrator (Livia; maybe the second one is harmless) never shuts up, so there's one key problem. You're also quite accurate about the plot formula, and I didn't even finish the first chapter.
Bright spots include the idea of a floating dystopian city. (I'm sure there are others, but I didn't finish.) -
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Preset Tense First Person by
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While I can read this type of narrative, I prefer not to. I will admit that it snuck up on me when I was reading Warm Bodies since it starts off as a first person train of thought about being a zombie, and then I never noticed that the tense never switched to past tense.
I prefer my first person in past tense myself, though a friend of mine said that, after me complaining about PTFP, that if the narrator is retelling the tale, then you know they survive. Well I proved her wrong with my last NaNoWriMo and killed off the main character who was Narrating. So there.
I know Drew can't stand reading PTFP narration, which is a shame cause she was interested in reading the Divergent series.
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Present Tense by
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It's the easiest way for an inexperienced writer to add a sense of immediacy to the story. And, more importantly, the easiest way for an inexperienced reader to actually pick up on that sense of immediacy while more subtle methods might pass over their heads.
Since this is a story by a pair of celebrities (inexperienced writers) and the target audience is their young fans (presumably including many inexperienced readers) it's the right choice for the story. -
Present tense is the in thing. Haven't you heard? by
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My last college writing teacher was all over it. "Is there some particular reason this is in past tense? Couldn't you have written this in present tense? Change this to first person!" No! Noooooooo!
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Present tense is just as valid... by
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... as past (and more so than future - though I'm sure that's been done. How about pluperfect? Conditional? If there were a hobbit, he might live in a hole in the ground...). And first person is just as valid as third. And omniscient and limited are just as valid as each other, too. All the combinations have their uses and applications, their difficulties and their specialities.
For instance, Agent Narto writes his mission reports in first person, past tense, limited (as does Agent Huinesoron); it's a narrative conceit, allowing these documents to be 'in-universe mission reports'. The limited viewpoint flows from that - hS doesn't know what his partner is thinking, and moreover, his own worldview colours his transcription of theirs.
Most of my writings tend towards third-person past omniscient, since I do a lot of histories, but I also enjoy third-past-limited like this. And my first NaNo - and my second - was, I think, in first-person-present. It's great for immanency - past tense first person pretty much rules out the possibility of the speaker dying, but the present - well, compare and contrast:
I knew it wasn't going to work, I just knew it. There was no chance. But on the other hand... what choice did I have? It was this or surrender. Do or die. All or nothing.
I took a deep breath.
I leapt.
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I know it's not going to work, I just know it. There's no chance at all. But on the other hand... what choice do I have? It's this, or surrender. Do, or die. All, or nothing.
I take a deep breath.
I leap--!
The former is 'I had to jump off a building, so I did'. The latter is 'oh gods above I have no choice but to jump off this building I'm gonna diiiiiie!'. For that sort of story, I prefer the present tense.
(Third-person present, I'm not so sure about... no, I think it can still work. It feels a bit like a film, though. 'The knight rides into the valley below the castle, all his senses on high alert. He knows there will be trouble - he just doesn't know where from'.)
Asking yourself 'is there some particular reason this is in past tense?' is actually really good practice. It's like asking 'is there some particular reason the ruler has to be male?' or 'is there some particular reason the elf prince has to marry the pretty girl?' (ans: no, he'd rather be hunting spiders). Ask that question about everything. Sometimes - often - the answer will be 'yes - he needs an illegitimatesonchild for the story to work' (that's the ruler, not the elf). But sometimes it will be no... and that's when you ask the other question, 'would it work better if I did it the other way?' I have one story I'm completely rewriting from past-third-limited to present(?)-first-limited, because it's far more interesting if we're inside the protagonist's head.
But that goes both ways, of course. If the story won't be significantly improved by switching from past to present - then don't switch it, that's ridiculous. Write what you're comfortable with; the more you can leave on autopilot, the more you can think about the parts that matter.
But, just like Tenth Walkers, don't claim a whole class of writing is bad. Frequently badly executed, maybe. Overused, probably. Very effective when done right? I guarantee it.
hS
(PS: 'But Mary-Sues--' No, they're not a class of writing, they're a badly-designed character. 'Tenth Walker' and 'Girl-falls-into-Middle-earth' are the classes, and they can be done well. 'Bad character done well' is an oxymoron. ~hS) -
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Er... clearly your English educations in England far surpass the ones available to us in America. I had one of the best English and Grammar educations my mom could find and you kinda lost me at the beginning...
I have seen it done well, first-person present tense. Personally I prefer past tense when we're talking a particularly long piece. I'm definitely prejudiced, though, as I have rather terrible memories of barely being able to struggle through The Hunger Games (I'm not trying to stomp on anyone else's opinion, but I just don't think those were written that well.)
I do see what you mean with the suspense value, but that particular teacher was prejudiced against anything traditional, which included past tense, third person, and anything that didn't involve sex. I had to work very hard to defend Tolkien's poetry to her because it rhymed. This woman would probably condone a thirty-chapter novel written in second-person-conditional, just because it hadn't been done before (very often).
There are merits to almost any tense-person combination, I know. I've definitely written more than one story in first person. Maybe I'm narrow-minded, but I definitely prefer third-person past omniscient. It's just easiest to read and write for me, probably because that's how all the books I read growing up are written.
I - I have looked. I have never found a good Tenth Walker. Good Girl in Middle-earths? Sure. Good stories about OCs in the War of the Ring? Definitely. Tenth Walkers? Please do point me in the direction of any good ones you have found.
I've seen lots of people say "I'll read a Mary Sue if it's done well." I'm not entirely sure what their criteria are for "done well."
And mission reports are something I would probably definitely write in first person. In fact, I remember a book I once read and unfortunately no longer own. It was written in first person present tense from three different characters' points of view in the frame tale of a mission report for some organization. So yeah, you're right. I'm just complaining about people who think first-person present tense is the only way or the best way. -
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As to 'I'll read a Mary Sue if it's done well', the difference isn't their criteria for 'done well' - it's their criteria for 'Mary Sue'. In the PPC, it's a well-defined term that specifically means 'a badly-written character' - 'badly-written well-written' is as oxymoronic as Aethelred Unraed. But a lot of people use the term to mean 'female OC', or 'female OC from Earth in a non-Earth continuum'. They would define any girl-who-drops-into-Middle-earth as a Mary-Sue.
Which is their right, I suppose, but it's sloppy and leads to endless confusion. Since the term springs from an OC who was (deliberately) canon-warping in the extreme, extending it to characters who are careful not to ruin the canon seems like tarring them all with the same brush. I understand racial stereotyping is considered bad form these days...?
('But you're saying all Mary Sues--' No, I'm defining the term 'Mary Sue' to mean something which is badly written. If a character has a bunch of characteristics which make it look like a Mary-Sue, but is well written, then it isn't a Mary Sue)
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What would you call a character who 'has a bunch of characteristics which make it look like a Mary-Sue, but is well written'?
I agree with you that 'well written Mary Sue' is an oxymoron, but then the English language has terms like oxymoron and paradox for a reason. I think that 'well written Mary Sue' works as a good shorthand for 'a character that has a bunch of traits which make it look like a Sue, but is actually well written'. -
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As people have demonstrated over and over, virtually every character has Suvian traits. Luke Skywalker is a poor farmboy who just happens to have magical powers and amazing flying abilities and a mysterious magical pseudo-relative and a connection to the Ultimate Evil and everyone puts everything aside to help him get to Alderaan and his parent-substitutes are DEEEEEAD and he takes over the entire plot of all three films and he's the lost sibling of a canon character (... ;)) and he even ends up dressing in black and trying to look ominous and impressive.
A character with Suvianesque traits who isn't Suvian is usually called 'the protagonist'. ;)
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I actually like Mary Sue stories, but that's from a community where every trans-dimensional story is automatically a Sue or anti-Sue. The Sues are the ones who live, the anti-Sues are the ones who die. Sometimes they have extra powers, but mostly the one trait that brands them is that the vampires don't kill them.
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Courtesy Rudyard Kipling
;)
Not quite thirty chapters, though...
The problem with many types of fanfic is that, well, most fanfic is rubbish. So finding a good anything is hard. Even a totally canonical situation - say, Elladan and Elrohir hunting orcs - usually devolves into angst/twincest/both. My story (set of shorts, I guess) shows (hopefully!) that it can be done well - but makes no claims as to whether anyone has. Though I do think that in the hundreds of thousands of Tolkien fanfics out there, there must be at least one...
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I'll allow that you can do most anything in a poem by
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I would, however, like to point out that this poem is describing a state of being, not telling a story. Still, point taken.
And you're right. Most fanfic is rubbish. (I suspect that's partly because most fanfic is written by very lazy people, 9-13 year-olds, and/or pervy perv pervs of the stupid variety... or trolls.) Perhaps I'll take a look at your story at some point.
And I've definitely tried to prove some things can be done well. I have a partly-finished Girl-in-Middle-earth that is not a Mary Sue on my computer. Every once in a while it strays dangerously close, though, or just gets stupid, so I have to completely rework parts. Because the idea is actually pretty stupid by its very nature.
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That sounds like a challenge. Challenge accepted.
On Celebrian
If you had known then what you know now, you would not have let her go. You would have told her the mountains were too dangerous – insisted her guard was too small – promised her anything to keep her from making that trip. And she would have smiled at you, the way she smiled back then, and told you you were being foolish – that no orcs had been reported in the mountains for centuries.
But you would not have let her go. You would have appealed to her, pleaded with her, perhaps even threatened her. And at last she would have agreed, and unpacked her belongings, and stayed.
And things would have changed for you. No proof would ever have come of your suspicions – how could it, for she would not have gone, and there would have been no-one for the orcs to attack? – and so her claims of foolishness would have been repeated, their playful tone draining away until they stood as stark condemnation of you.
She would have left your bed, your house, and built her own, a lodge like Erendis of Westernesse once held, with only womenfolk permitted to enter. Your daughter would have followed her – and your sons become estranged from her, tortured by her bitterness. They would have turned to you, but you would have brought no comfort, for your heart would have been divided – hating her for her anger, hating yourself for causing it.
And so your family would have been broken, the women hiding away from the world, the men – your tall, proud sons – ranging away from your home for weeks, months, years at a time. You would have dared not ask what they sought, for you would have feared you already knew the answer: that they were delving into the deep places of the world, seeking the orcs that would prove your words had been true, and bring her back to you.
And then would have come the year, the decade, when they did not return, and no trace of them could be found beneath the sun. And you, proud and broken, would have gone to her door to tell her of their unknown fate. And you would have heard her speak, that voice that once sang to the stars at your side:
“I have no sons. I have no husband.”
And so, shattered beyond repair, you would have taken to your bed. And in your heart of hearts you would have made one wish, told one story, repeated one thought, made one promise:
If you had known then what you know now, you would have let her go.
Dark, I know, but it was the first idea that came to mind. I see it as Galadriel consoling Elrond after Celebrian (who had been captured and wounded by orcs) sailed West to Valinor. Because Galadriel is a) a mind-reader, b) gifted with foresight, and c) not exactly all sweetness and light...
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Oh, wow... by
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It wasn't intended as a challenge, but I'm kind of glad you took it that way. I bow in submission to your superior mastery of the English language. That was definitely a story and it was definitely in second person conditional. (Although... what about this implied frame story where Galadriel is talking to Elrond? What's that in? Third person present tense omniscient! Just kidding.)
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Wow, that's just... by
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How did your teacher feel about iambic pentameter?
Dismissing something because it is in an overused style? It wouldn't be so prevalent if it weren't an accessible way to read a story.
I'm not sure if it was a proper tenth-walker story since the Fellowship found her after they left Rivendell. She was a seamstress who knew a little bit about LOTR from her friends. Then again, I think the anti-Sue was a bit strong. -
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Or, rather, the really difficult one: girl-falls-into-Middle-earth-and-becomes-Tenth-Walker. I had an idea and felt like sketching it out.
It's Christmas 2001. Lucy (because why not Lucy? Actually, I'd probably come up with a name that sounds like a valid Sindarin name, because it would lead to humour as she tries to explain that no, it's English...) has seen The Fellowship of the Ring three times already (and it's only been out a week!). Now her best friend has bought her the book it's based on. She's a slow reader, but that's okay - for this book, she'll make the effort. Even if it doesn't have (let's buck the Legoluster trend a little and say) Elijah Wood in it.
Then, due to unexpected and unexplained magic, Lucy is dragged into Middle-earth. In fact, she's dragged to Rivendell - though it doesn't look a lot like the film. Nor does the very tall and really kind of scary guy looming over her look much like Agent Elrond (she thought that was funny when her friend told her about it, but now - eek!).
She is, of course, totally unable to answer - or understand - and of Elrond's questions, but seeing as how she appeared in mid-air in the Hall of Fire, he's not inclined to do anything hasty about her (though, of course, she doesn't know this, and he does have scary eyebrows). And besides, there are other things on his mind... like the recent arrival of Mithrandir (have to stick to the Elvish to avoid translation issues, a la Don't Panic!, though fortunately I've since solved the Gimli problem), and his report that a certain Ring is on its way to Imladris...
So Lucy is given into the guardianship-and-care of... let's say Glorfindel and an OFC, Lingalad. Lingalad because a female prisoner-guest-mystery will probably respond better to a woman, and Glorfindel because as a Valinorean originally, he's had to learn at least three, probably more, languages (starting in Quenya, he would have learnt Sindarin in Beleriand, Adunaic in the Second Age, and Westron in the Third; he may also have learnt various Mannish tongues in any of those three); this makes him the best person in Imladris to try and figure out Lucy's words.
And so the time of Frodo's convalescence is taken up by Lucy learning very basic... Sindarin or Westron, probably the latter, since she's self-evidently human. And just as she's reached the point where she can at least make her needs and questions understood, and tell them very basically about herself (she's had to say she comes from 'above the sky', because she has no idea how to say 'another world'), she discovers that the Fellowship (several members of whom have been concerned or at least curious about her, and she's gotten to thinking that Frodo - beg pardon, Maura - is actually pretty cute, even if he doesn't have Elijah's eyes) are about to leave.
And she's seen the film.
And she knows what's going to happen.
And she still has the book with her.
With rather a lot of help from Glorfindel - who's better at English than Lucy is at Westron - she manages to explain to Elrond what she's got - she can prove it by reading out some things there's no way she could know, like the precise words spoken in private conversations. And she tells him that Gandalf is going to die, and so is Boromir. And, she explains, she hasn't had a chance to read the rest yet...
This decision goes to Elrond's state of mind. I'm inclined to say that, with the Ring Quest being the most important thing in the world right then, he'll send Lucy with the Fellowship rather than keeping her behind as a resource. He'd love to know what's in the rest of the book - enemy movements, threats to allies? - but ultimately, if Imladris falls and the Ring is destroyed, he will consider that a victory. So he sends her along - and urges her to read fast.
The Fellowship avoid Moria, of course, given that Lucy knows already that Gandalf will die and Gollum will start to follow them (which in her mind is unambiguously bad - remember, she knows nothing about anything after the Breaking of the Fellowship!). I don't know what route they'll take - perhaps Boromir swings the idea of the Gap of Rohan, or Legolas convinces them to try the High Pass. And Lucy proves moderately helpful. Let's send them through Rohan, where she can warn them in advance that things are not as nice right now as Boromir would like to think - and she's bright enough to turn to the timeline for the major battles.
And then she reaches the point where Gandalf comes back as the White, and realises how badly she's messed things up.
~
Complicated? Yes (though the language lesson section can probably be glossed over - we know the Ring was in Imladris two months, that's enough time to assume the learning). It has to be - we're taking an implausible concept and trying to make it work. Does this version work? Well, that would depend on the writing - but I think it could.
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I'd read it. (nm) by
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She didn't know what—? by
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Didn't know—??
She didn't—???
An English teacher!?
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Excuse me, I think I just had an aneurysm. I have to go lie down.
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Creative writing, not English. by
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Did I say English? It seems there's a difference, and it's quite significant.
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Gee gah. by
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I don't know, but it seems like a creative writing teacher worth her paycheck should have some qualifications in common with a high school English teacher.
There was a story that doesn't have any capitalization or punctuation because it was written by a cockroach hurling himself at a typewriter. I bet her only complaint against a new story written like that would be that it's been done. -
Well, I wouldn't go that far... by
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Unless there was a cockroach in the class... Or if I got a cockroach and set it on my keyboard... Okay, maybe I would go that far.
She told me that I was limiting myself when I was trying to make my poems rhyme and set a rhythm. I guess I see her point, but it's actually much easier for me to write poems with a more traditional rhythm.
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Re: It's a proper Tenth Walker if there's a tenth person walking by
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Unfortunately, you're going to have to wait for someone else to recognize what I'm talking about. In the meantime, have a look at Chessgame of the Gods. https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1518794/1/The-Game-of-the-Gods
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I've read that... by
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It's really very funny. Perhaps I'll read it again sometime...
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Hmm. by
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I don't follow celebrities closely (too little advanced mathematics to hold my interest, I'm afraid...), but I don't recall entities by the names of "Kylie" or "Kendall" doing anything particularly groanworthy, so I'm coming into this with a completely open mind. The premise seems dull and the prose uninspiring, but the Space Gods know my first attempt at a novel was worse. If they want to do something productive with their lives, more power to them.
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Oh dang. by
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Well, it caught my interest, anyway. Not bad writing, actually, and I'm a pretty big fan of dystopian perfect societies. Sure, the "I hate being so privileged and awesome" thing is done to death, but I'd imagine someone from that background would have a pretty dang accurate insight into how it feels living in the shadow of Very Important Relatives, because of whom you have more wealth than you could possibly need, and a status you did nothing to obtain and probably don't really want.
I'm interested, anyway.
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Cool links I found (via Facebook) by
on 2014-07-09 23:08:00 UTC
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First, some genius guy built scenes representing each of the fifty states in LEGO! http://www.thebrickfantastic.com/50-united-states-of-lego/ California gets two because it's special. The captions are (sometimes) the best part.
Second, the Radio Times released a David Tennant personality quiz (i.e., which of his characters you're most like). http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-07-09/which-david-tennant-are-you I got the Doctor, if you're interested. Funny, I always thought I was more the companion type. -
I'm apparently the Doctor as well. (nm) by
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Sheesh, yet another Doctor. by
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I'm starting to think this quiz might be poorly weighted. {= P
Lots of the answers didn't really fit me, though, so I had to go with the best of a bad lot. For instance, I'm pretty sure my friends think I'm well-adjusted and confident. They're mistaken, but that's not the question.
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Although in reality, Hamlet is probably much more like me. (*shrug*)
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Looks like we're full of potential Doctors here... by
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'Cause I'm one too.
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That's awesome! by
on 2014-07-10 01:15:00 UTC
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I also got the Doctor... It's because we plays with time, precious. When we're not wasting it, that is.
Check out this one!
http://www.tolkientrail.com/madlibs.shtml
Unfortunately they never update this game, but it's still pretty fun. There are others to be found around the web too - do a search! -
I've got one for you epic fantasy fans! by
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George Takei posted this one. If you don't follow him, you should. He's hilarious!
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All of my yes! (nm) by
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Charge questions about inserting into canon scenes by
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What are the finer points of charging?
I'm going with plagiarism for annoying agents with read-throughs of scenes that the canon-savvy would know. I'm assuming descriptions written from visual media are just annoyances.
What about gloss-overs of the same? Or gloss-overs with the difference being the story?
Would it be worth charging for if the only thing added to the scene is sappy romance? Or perhaps just saying things for the sake of having a line?
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You wouldn't be taking on Parallel Realities by any chance? by
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1) This is actually a fine line. On one hand, you have the "Voldemort looked like Voldemort from the movie" style of writing where referencing source material is used as an unsuccessful crutch for beige prose, on the other you have ridiculous redundant description. As for the name, Herr Wozzek used "plot regurgitation" to describe it, although I for one am fond of saying "If I wanted to hear about I would just read/watch/play ", which could be condensed into some comedically large acronym?
2) See above.
3) Yes and yes.
4) Heck yes. Multiple charges, for stupidity, insert knowledge itself, and pointless plot regurgitation. Moreso for randomly returning to canon (because the author is lazy?) after diverging.
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It's complicated. by
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I'm not sure what constitutes a PR. The visual I think of is that a railway corridor shares space with a high-tension electrical corridor, and they just happen to let bicyclists use their access road to bolster their environmental image.
I'm looking at a few "OC as the video game character's girlfriend tagging along during the game" stories. I'm going for charging one as both interfering with canon, and not interfering with canon when the precognition would have been useful. The other is just copy-pasting the script without adding more than a line or two. Another says "the script happened," and then the insert twists the parts that aren't part of it. -
Sorry, allow me to disambiguate. by
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Parallel Realities is a Mass Effect fanfic where 90% of the story is just a narration of the Mass Effect games. Herr Wozzek did a sporking of it a while back, and it's been tossed around as mission material ever since.
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Re: Sorry, allow me to disambiguate. by
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It's not Mass Effect, but I should read it just to see if I can adapt it to my questions.
And I think I fancy a ME2 character without actually playing the game.
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World Cup thread Mk. II: Finals Edition by
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VS
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the number one football event of the year!
The semifinals are over and we have our two finalists ready to go! On one side we have the Argentinian team, fresh out of a nail-biting shootout versus the Dutch! While the Netherlands' defensive game was top notch for all of regular and extended time, Sergio Romero of Argentina proved to be the better goalie in the shootout.
On the other side, die Mannschaft-- Germany's national team-- are raring to go! In what can only be described as ninety minutes of pure horror for Brazil, the Germans defeated the host nation 7 to 1. Miroslav Klose became the player with the most World Cup goals (16 to his name) in history, surpassing Ronaldo's 15 goals.
Brazil will fight the Netherlands for 3rd place on saturday the 12th.
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Probably no one, but the Germany-Brazil game amused me. by
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I mean, five goals in fifteen minutes? And my roommate said that she'd been talking to someone and they'd expected it to be completely different...well, anyway, it was pretty amusing. But then again, I'm neither from Germany nor from Brazil, so I've got no stake in this.
(Is Canada in the running somewhere? Does Canada even have a team?)
On the plus side, this is the summer I learned what FIFA is...
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Only made it to the finals once.
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Did they send the Leafs, or something? (Or, y'know, their soccer equivalent?)
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Whachoo sayn' 'bout the Leafs? They're the greatest... by
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Nah, just kidding. The Leafs are really bad anyways.
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Germany-Brazil by
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One of my aunts spent two years in Brazil with the Peace Corps, so she's been somewhat following the Brazil team. (And the US, but did anyone really think the US had a chance of going all the way?) She was still stunned at the point spread yesterday when we met for lunch -- she said it's roughly equivalent to a (baseball) World Series game with a 60-point difference in the score.
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World Cup thread Mk. II: Finals Edition by
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the number one football event of the year!
The semifinals are over and we have our two finalists ready to go! On one side we have the Argentinian team, fresh out of a nail-biting shootout versus the Dutch! While the Netherlands' defensive game was top notch for all of regular and extended time, Sergio Romero of Argentina proved to be the better goalie in the shootout.
On the other side, die Mannschaft-- Germany's national team-- are raring to go! In what can only be described as ninety minutes of pure horror for Brazil, the Germans defeated the host nation 7 to 1. Miroslav Klose became the player with the most World Cup goals (16 to his name) in history, surpassing Ronaldo's 15 goals.
Brazil will fight the Netherlands for 3rd place on saturday the 12th.
The grand finale will be held on sunday the 13th.
Who will you be cheering for?
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Not sure if anyone remembers me, but... by
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Hello. Sorry for intruding, but I would like to reclaim "The Adventures of Garfield and Rapunzel," and claim "Silent Studio". I believe that the latter was deleted from the Unclaimed Badfic page during the last cleanup. Please let me know if this would be an issue with the organization of the Wiki. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
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Hi there! (nm) by
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Welcome back by
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There should not be any problem, just remember to add that it's pending Permission (I assume I haven't missed you getting it. If I did, disregard this).
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It should be fine by
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Unless you have problems editing the wiki, and I'd be willing to help if you give me the info.
Welcome back?
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New mission! by
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Heh, and it only took four months. ^_^
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1As35sGYVPzjoICOvlCN8nktxLvlUfaO-aOHIijJPCFA/edit?usp=sharing
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I Only Just Finished It, and It Was Very Enjoyable. (nm) by
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Done & done. (nm) by
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By-the-way by
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You forgot to add the mission to the main page of the wiki (I noticed it now).
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I tried, but... by
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Even though I was logged in and everything, it said I wasn't allowed to edit the home page. :/
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Odd. by
on 2014-07-12 21:51:00 UTC
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I can edit it, it must be some sort of glitch. Post whatever you want added here, I'll add it.
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You would do that? Oh, thank you! by
on 2014-07-13 01:19:00 UTC
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Rina and Randa take on their second mission, this time against Lord Potter and his Soul-Bonded wife.
You can probably copy/paste from the Current Events page. I tried editing the main page again and it gave me the same message, so this is really appreciated. {:-) -
Re: mission by
on 2014-07-12 04:43:00 UTC
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This was a fun read, as the badfic features some of my biggest peeves about Potter romances. (I won't turn this into a rant, but I'm mainly referring to the whole "magic bond" thing, and also making a huge deal about the money Harry's parents left in Gringotts. He's still a teenager, after all, and his "wife" already owns a house. What does he need all that money for?)
Anyway. I have to admit, I actually like Harry/Tonks, but only after Harry is older, so they're both adults. Fourteen vs. nineteen is a bit too dramatic a gulf for me. (There's a nineteen again. I swear they're everywhere.)
Sorry. I know I'm discussing the fic more than your mission, but I think everyone else has beaten me to the interesting comments. I am embarrassed to admit, I didn't get the joke about Luna seeing the agents until I read Nesh's comment below. Now that I get it, I must recognize it as sheer brilliant genius! I also like the research you put into it; I never would have recognized that Nundu thing as a canon monster, since it wasn't in the main series.
I agree that the easy swaying of Vilma/Mindy is the main weakness here. Other than some odd phraseology, the original author actually had her pretty in character for an average house elf (at least in the lines you shared in the mission). She would need a lot more convincing to abandon her masters, I think (although that logic bomb of Tonks not inheriting much is a good way to start).
I do like that you recruited not only the house elf, but Dogwig as well. Despite being a flagrant blasphemy against existence, it doesn't really do anything too obnoxious. It behaves just like a regular Potterverse owl--at super speed, but that could just be geo/time distortions--and didn't show particular loyalty to the replacements. Good to see some restraint and pity where it belongs!but seriously has the author never heard an owl
One thing I was wondering about is when the agents interrupt a question from Mindy. She never brings up whatever it was again. I was expecting something terrible to happen later, and then see Mindy say, "I was trying to ask about this . . ." but the line never payed off. Was this something that got cut, or am I just paying too much attention to that exchange?
There's also a part where Rina has dialogue split into two separate paragraphs. (Starting with "'Putting my curiosity to know that aside,'") I don't think there's any real reason for those two paragraphs to be split up as they are; nothing happens in between, so why should Rina pause there? -
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on 2014-07-12 14:04:00 UTC
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Yeah, looking at your and Nesh's comments and the mission, I agree Mindy's willingness to go with the agents a bit too convenient. I'm working on that right now, just want to make sure I get it right. :)
And as for the Nundu... I'm a huge HP nut, as you probably figured out. As soon as I read 'Arctic Nundu', I kind of exploded. And it just made sense in my head that Luna would have the feeling that the agents were there. -
Nice work! by
on 2014-07-11 16:56:00 UTC
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Things I like:
The agents taking the mirrors too soon and having to put them back, and recruiting Mindy too soon. Nice to see them making rookie mistakes and learning their lesson.
Having Luna seem to see them for a minute. I dig the idea that Luna sees things that are actually there. Nice, kinda Discworld-y.
Lots of little things, like "Way-the-Hey-Out-of-Character Land" and the agents being immature and laughing at stuff like "Number 69" and "stud muffin." *g*
Also, I try to avoid commenting on the badfic in mission reviews, but dear god was the dialogue in that fic painful. Just... ew. Not to mention how ~*special*~ everything was. I'm pleased that the ridiculous amounts of OOC and uncanon were addressed, and I fully sympathize with the agents' nausea. (BTW, they might consider carrying some candied ginger around with them. Ginger is good for nausea.)
Things I am not sure about:
How come Mcgonagoll is a he? I think the minis tend to take on the gender of their namemistakes. Related: I always thought mini-Aragogs were approximately human-torso-sized. Big enough to haul fangirls away. I can't back that up, though. Has anyone read HFA recently?
What, nobody reacts to the Dursleys being randomly killed off by terrorists? I mean, sure, no one likes them much, but I still think the fact that no one reacts at all is deserving of comment.
Mindy seems to give up on her perceived masters a little too easily for the average house-elf. It's not something they can just choose to do even if they want to, and I'm not sure merely explaining that she's in a bad story makes it not count. Also, who's she going to take care of in HQ? House-elves want masters, unless they're Dobby.
Typos:
* ad nauseum - Should be "ad nauseam".
* After biding Lupin farewell - Should be "after bidding Lupin farewell".
* "We is ABPDW, precious" - Shouldn't that be "We is ABPWD"? Or is there another messed up acronym?
* "Harry gives his want to Ollivander" - Should be "Harry gives his wand to Ollivander".
* Katie Bell,Chaser for the Gryffindor Quidditch team - Missing a space: "Katie Bell, Chaser"
* ... and spawning an army of mini-Aragongs" - Should be "an army of mini-Aragogs". (How embarrassing. ^_^; )
* "But he's a Cute Animal Friend!" - Should be "But she's a Cute Animal Friend!"
* There was a period in place of a comma in someone's dialogue somewhere, but I forgot to note it down and I can't find it again. {= (
All in all, a very enjoyable read. Keep up the good work!
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Heh, thanks. :3 by
on 2014-07-11 17:02:00 UTC
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I'll go fix those right away. Maybe not the thing about Mindy being too easily released, since that one I'll need to think about... Anyway, I will say I got the idea to quote canon from Nume quoting LotR in "Ring Child". Kudos to you. :D
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Yeah, I figured. {= ) by
on 2014-07-11 17:17:00 UTC
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I'm not sure when else that's been done recently, though I'd be surprised if I was the first to think of it.
The scene where they first talk to Mindy reminds me a lot of how Jenni recruited Derik in "Harry Potter and the Dragonriders of Pern," too, just because of the flow of it. The words are all yours, so I'm fine with it. Nothing new under the sun, creativity is just learning how to hide your sources, etc. ^_~
I think the solution to Mindy is probably to have her show resistance, but still tag along with them anyway while she doesn't have duties in the story. The way she gets dragged back could show that she's still beholden to Lord and Lady Potter as well as still part of the fic, if you put in a few words to that effect and show her being conflicted about it. Then, once Lord and Lady are assassinated, she should be free, since they don't have any descendents (thank glod). However, she might feel obligated to protect them, so that's a potential snag.
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...huh. by
on 2014-07-11 17:24:00 UTC
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I guess it is. I'm kinda a really big fan of your work so I probably immitates it without realizing... *^_^*
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That was quite a show. by
on 2014-07-11 16:51:00 UTC
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Only two glitches in the whole shebang! Well done! (I agree with Randa about doing a continuum where the minis aren't giant spiders.)
Mindy is the cutest house-elf I've ever read. :) Where do you think she works now? Cafeteria? Personnel? -
Mindy? by
on 2014-07-11 16:55:00 UTC
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I was briefly considering having her be Rina's next partner (since Randa and I aren't going to be able to see each other much and we both prefer doing the mission in person), but then I realized Mindy was way too agreeable and her speech pattern would just get tiring to write. So probably Cafeteria.
By the way, guys, if anyone wants to use Mindy in their story, go ahead. I'm declaring her free-to-use. -
Well done by
on 2014-07-11 16:16:00 UTC
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You made good use of Mindy / Vilma there, and the agents’ mistakes show that they are not very experienced yet. I also like how you handled the missing transition from dinner to morning.
But there is one (in numbers: 1) issue for the Repetitive Department of Repetition: “this one was named named Godrick”. And the badfics title is Harry Potter and the Tails of Cange. (I wondered whether you quoted a misspelling there and why you didn’t spork this, so I looked it up.)
Getting Not!Harry when he is wandless is a brilliant idea.
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Fixed that, too. And thanks! (nm) by
on 2014-07-11 17:16:00 UTC
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A few more mistakes by
on 2014-07-12 17:26:00 UTC
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It seems that the rest of the Boarders got quite a few mistakes, but they unfortunately missed a few.
Whatever you say, Rina-sempai. You misspelled the honorifc; it's senpai (i.e., with an N, not an M)
Randa scrambled out of another mini-Aragog's (this one was named Godrick) way This is worded awkwardly, as you have "this one" relating back to a possessive noun. Try rewording the sentence: out of the way of another mini-Aragog (this one was named Godrick) -
...oops. by
on 2014-07-12 21:29:00 UTC
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As here I thought five times' with of proof reading my first mission was overkill. •__• Thanks again... *hides while going off to correct the mission again*
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Typo spotted! by
on 2014-07-11 15:54:00 UTC
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"Viower excretion" should most definitely be "Reader discretion".
Also, what do the curly brackets around some of the badfic quotes mean?
Also, "Uncle Siri"? Lel on the Apple-influenced Stuthor :P
All-in-all, I enjoyed the mission. The badfic seems to be of the funny sort and Rina & Randa's reactions make it even more funny. It isn't too long, which is also a plus. Well done, Ixi. -
The curly brackets are part of the quotes, by
on 2014-07-11 16:14:00 UTC
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so you have to ask Karou Windstalker. "Viower excretion" is so obviously wrong that I assume it is meant to be a joke, probably a quote, although not from this badfic.
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Viower excretion by
on 2014-07-11 16:48:00 UTC
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Yeah, it's one of My Immortal's more (in)famous disclaimers.
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Okay... (nm) by
on 2014-07-12 08:32:00 UTC
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"Uncle Siri"? by
on 2014-07-11 13:56:00 UTC
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So Sirius is one of Steven Jobs' partners?
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Re: New mission! by
on 2014-07-11 12:21:00 UTC
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There's a typo in your disclaimer, but that mission was a fun read.
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Fixed it, thanks! by
on 2014-07-11 16:52:00 UTC
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Even with both me and Randa going over the thing twice, stuff still slips by. :3
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Oh, this was fun. by
on 2014-07-11 04:46:00 UTC
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I think my favourite part was the recruitment and subsequent interactions with Mindy, although the actual mention of physically writing a mission report at the very beginning was pretty great too. We don't see that kind of thing enough, in my opinion. And ooh, the recitation of canon is another trick that isn't employed as much as it should be. I loved that bit.
Really, like your last mission, this one had a very strong Original Series vibe to it, which is definitely a very cool thing.
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on 2014-07-10 23:18:00 UTC
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Finally! I've been sitting here and frothing at the mouth waiting for it to be done. :)
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Derp. Forgot author name. by
on 2014-07-10 23:19:00 UTC
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^^^That was me. I keep forgetting to put the name down.
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It helps to have that be the first thing you enter. by
on 2014-07-11 09:22:00 UTC
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Unless you have to get your message down before you forget it, of course, but otherwise it's pretty helpful to just use the order of 1. Author, 2. Email, 3. Subject (if you want one), and then 4. Message.
At least, that's what I've found. It really does make it harder to forget a name or email.
Also, hi! Not sure we've met. Welcome (belatedly) to the Board! Here, have a Welcome Gift of Swiss Bleepolate (it'll turn into a bleeproduct of your choice if you don't like chocolate, just press the green button on the packaging), and a sonic suedriver in celebration of the upcoming new season of Doctor Who! Watch as it turns different colors and sonics away Aura of Smooth...
Welcome again :)
~DF