Warning: The following contains spoilers for the Horus Heresy series of Warhammer 40k novels. If you have not read these novels, go do that. You're only about 50 books behind and should be able to catch up in… 2324-ish? Anyway, you have now been warned and advised, so if you are reading this, I assume you are either caught up or don't care. Either way, on with the show.
So, here's the story for you: When Nesh started reading the Horus Heresy novels she was kind of confused as to how Horus ended up turning against the Emperor. Horus was, as everyone kept saying, the best of the Primarchs. He was everything you could ever want in a leader. But, he was sucker punched by Chaos. Nesh thought that it would be better if Horus were to realize that not only did Chaos suck, but the Emperor was also not that great. He would then break away and form a third faction. This would allow Horus to continue being awesome.
That is not a bad idea on its face, but there is a serious problem: If Horus breaks away, he doesn't form a third faction. He forms a second faction, which will be full of the same malcontents that he drew to his banner in the first place. It changes the course of the timeline, but leads to a very similar place.
But the idea of a third faction that doesn’t support Chaos or the Emperor is a good one. We just need someone else to be the catalyst, and we need it to happen late enough that the Chaos-aligned faction has time to form. First off, we should figure out who is likely to be in which factions. Let's look at the candidates, in numerical order.
Lion El'Johnson - Loyalist, but shady as anything. So many secrets that it wouldn't surprise me if he broke away. Possible candidate to go Independent.
Fulgrim - Chaos-aligned, and massively so. I think it is unlikely that he would turn far enough from that to break out.
Perturabo - Traitor, but not particularly Chaos-aligned. He has grievances with the Emperor and many of his brothers. Possible candidate to go Independent.
Jaghatai - Loyalist, but no one would have put money on that to begin with. He is known for being unknowable. Possible candidate to go Independent.
Leman Russ - Loyalist in the extreme. He is the Emperor's Executioner and is always on his Father's side.
Dorn - Loyal as you can get. Never questions his Father, ever. Not sure he has the imagination to question him.
Kurze - Traitor, but maybe not as evil as he seems at first…? He actively tries to get his brothers to see things as he sees them. He has logical reasons for what he does, even if you disagree with his methods. Possible candidate to go Independent.
Sanguinius - Loyalist, but full of doubts. He sees himself as having defects that the Emperor wouldn't have made purposefully, and he fears the hand of Chaos in his creation. Possible candidate to go Independent.
Ferrus - Loyalist. He violently turns against his closest brother when that brother goes Traitor, so I think he is likely to remain loyal.
Angron - Traitor. Angron has major issues with the Emperor, who he feels is a slaver and a tyrant. He doesn't particularly care about Chaos, he just wants to hit things. Possible candidate to go Independent.
Guilliman - Loyalist… or is he? He did start his own Imperium that one time, so maybe not as loyal as he appears at first glance? Possible candidate to go Independent.
Mortarion - Traitor, but not thrilled about it. He has major issues with both sides of the war. Namely, the fact that both sides are so ready to employ psychic abilities. Possible candidate to go Independent.
Magnus - Traitor, but not by choice. Magnus broke the Edict of Nikea to try and save the Imperium, knowing full well what might happen because of his actions. He was forced out of the Imperium for his loyalty. Possible candidate to go Independent.
Horus - Traitor, because of shenanigans. He was the most loyal. He then became the least loyal once the Ruinous Powers got to him. No going back at this point.
Lorgar - Traitor. He was the first one who wanted to go to the warp. He dove in head first and never looked back.
Vulkan - Loyal. He loves his family. Wants to build bridges, not trenches.
Corvus - Loyal, but mopey. He doesn't seem to have much personality or imagination. I sometimes forget he's there, which is kind of his point, I guess.
Alpharius - Traitor? Probably, but who really knows with these guys. You could tell me that the Alpha Legion backstabbed anyone on this list and I would believe you without question. Possible candidate to go Independent, by default.
So, we have a list. What do we do with it? Do we pick our favorite Potential-Independant Primarch and go from there? Maybe. Or you could do what I did. I let this question stew in the back of my mind for months, reading further books, getting a better picture of the Primarchs. Eventually, during a conversation over breakfast, I had a breakthrough.
Our perfect candidate is Konrad Curze. Now, I know what you're thinking: Curze is a homicidal madman who loves nothing more than to make people suffer. And you're right. However, I would say he is also Batman. He cares deeply about justice, but goes outside the law to dispense it. If that can be tempered, he could be a force for change in the Imperium. The question becomes, how do we temper his more vicious nature?
My theory is that he becomes more and more violent because he has a Cassandra complex. He sees possible futures, but only the worst ones. He tries to tell people, they don't believe him, he becomes more frustrated and angry. He lashes out, creating those terrible futures, to prove to everyone that he is right. They see him as little better than an animal because of the things he does, but never even consider why he does them.
So, what happens if someone believes him? It might look something like this:
Curze-Faction Timeline
Kahraatan - Curze debates Vulkan. Curze says the only way to control the Imperium is through fear; Vulkan says that law will be enough. Curze says he and Vulkan are the same; Vulkan says they couldn't be more different. In the Primeline, they fight and both leave hating the other, with Vulkan reporting the incident back to Dorn and Horus.
In the Curze-line, Curze shares with Vulkan his view that the Emperor is not good; that he is a tyrant and manipulator. Vulkan, being generally open-minded, can see Curze's point about the Imperium-at-large, but cannot let that excuse Curze's indiscriminate killing of anyone who might be evil. This marks a shift in thinking for both Primarchs, somewhat moderating Curze's tactics and changing how Vulkan views the Emperor and the Imperium.
Cheraut - Curze, having confided in Vulkan about the visions that plague him, does not turn to Fulgrim as he did in the Primeline. This prevents Fulgrim from telling Dorn, thereby preventing the confrontation that eventually leads to the destruction of Nostramo by the Night Lords. Nostramo is, rather, put harshly back in line. The guilty are killed, and the society re-ordered, again.
The Angel - Curze, at Vulkan's insistence, reaches out to Sanguinius. They have much in common, including visions of the future. Both see the darkness coming, and determine to stop it. This leads Curze, Sanguinius, and Vulkan to form a secret alliance.
Nikea - The trial of Magnus the Red goes as poorly in this timeline as it did in the Prime-line. Magnus makes for his flagship to go back to Prospero when he is stopped by Sanguinius. The Angel is upset by the whole affair, and knows that his brother is devastated. He offers Magnus council and aid, and hints at the existence of the alliance. Magnus thanks him, but leaves for Prospero all the same.
Davin and Prospero - Horus is wounded and placed in the temple on Davin, opening him to the possibility of Chaos. Magnus, projecting himself from Prospero, attempts to stop his brother from turning to the dark side. He ultimately fails to sway Horus. Upon returning to Prospero, Magnus considers his options and, rather than try to contact the Emperor directly, projects himself to Sanguinius. Sanguinius believes Magnus, for he and Curze have both seen Horus's fate in their visions. Sanguinius tells Magnus about the alliance, and the future that they seek to subvert. Because Magnus never goes to Terra, the Wolves are never sent to Prospero.
Isstvan V - Horus is in open rebellion with the Death Guard, Emperor's Children, and World Eaters behind him. The fleets of the Iron Hands, Raven Guard, Salamanders, Word Bearers, Night Lords, Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion, and Space Wolves are sent to bring him to heel.
After Horus sends word to the hidden Traitor Legions, Curze has a word with Perturabo. Curze approaches his brother as one outsider to another, tells Perturabo that he understands the problems the Lord of Iron has with the Imperium, but that there is another way. Curze wants to see the Iron Warriors become what they were meant to be: not digging trenches, but building marvels. All Perturabo has to do is follow Curze's lead when the time is right.
As the ships of the Retribution Fleet come to Isstvan V and prepare to drop troops, Curze reveals the plot to the wider fleet. Their brothers will turn on them and the Imperium will be in jeopardy. Curze will not play his part and his fleet makes to leave the Isstvan system. Vulkan and Perturabo follow suit, leaving the Word Bearers and Alpha Legion to risk the wrath of three Loyal Legions in the void. The Iron Hands, Raven Guard, and Space Wolves retreat from the system before the four planet-bound Traitor Legions can join the battle in orbit.
Chondax - As the White Scars finish their campaign against the Orks at Chondax, the veil of silence that had blanketed their fleet lifts. They receive reports of Horus turning traitor, of Horus calling for their aid, and of the Trial at Nikea. Unable to determine what is true and what is false, the Khan turns his fleet toward Prospero to get answers from Magnus, with whom he had a surprisingly strong bond. He arrives to find the Blood Angels fleet already in orbit, having never followed orders to go to the Signus Cluster. Jaghatai meets with Sanguinius and Magnus, bringing the three champions of the Librarius together again. They tell him what has transpired and he agrees to join their cause.
The course the war will take from this point remains to be seen. Calth still happens, but will Lorgar and Angron still launch the full Shadow Crusade against Ultramar? Will the Warrior Lodges of the White Scars declare for Horus or remain hidden? There are too many unknowns for one person to contemplate. However, some things are clear:
- Magnus never destroyed the Eternities Gate, so the Emperor does not need to guard it at all times. The Emperor is still in play in this timeline, at least initially
- Ferrus Manus doesn't die at Isstvan. His grudge against Fulgrim lives on.
- Related to the last point, Fulgrim's ascension is now in question. Killing Ferrus gave the daemon in him power enough to take over in the first place. Draining the life from Perturabo fueled his physical transformation. Does any of that still happen? Does he find another way?
- The Shattered Legions are all whole. This means that each of the three factions has six fully capable Legions
- The Thousand Sons are still beholden to Tzeentch and the flesh change. That will have to be reckoned with, one way or another.
- The Loyalists have the Emperor. The Traitors have the Ruinous Powers. Who do the Independents have? An alliance with the Eldar? The Cabal? Someone Else?
We've broken the Legions into three equal factions. Interestingly, these factions all have some things in common. Let's list the Legions in each faction, look at the role they fill in their group, and see what those similarities are.
Loyalists
I. Dark Angels - SWAT, Specialized Wings
VI. Space Wolves - Shock Troops
VII. Imperial Fists - Siegecraft
X. Iron Hands - Specialists, Tech
XIII. Ultramarines - All-Around
XIX. Raven Guard - Recon
Independants
IV. Iron Warriors - Siegecraft
V. White Scars - Recon
VIII. Night Lords - Shock Troops
IX. Blood Angels - All-Around
XV. Thousand Sons - Specialists, Psyker
XVIII. Salamanders - SWAT, Flamers Non-Optional
Chaos
III. Emperor’s Children - SWAT, Noise Marines
XII. World Eaters - Shock Troops
XIV. Death Guard - Siegecraft
XVI. Sons of Horus - All-Around
XVII. Word Bearers - Specialists, Warp
XX. Alpha Legion - Recon
As you can see, each faction has one Legion for each of six roles. Some are better at their roles than others, obviously. For example, the White Scars are the least effective of the three Recon Legions, but they're Rangers, which is a whole different kind of recon than you get from the Rogues that are the Alpha Legion and Raven Guard.
The two roles that need some explaining are SWAT and Specialist. Those are roles that are variable. SWAT is, of course, Special Weapons And Tactics. These three Legions are known for their non-standard weapon loadouts and unusual tactics. Specialists are known for being completely unique in some way. Almost any Legion can have psykers, but only the Thousand Sons have really gone all-in on the idea. The Iron Hands use archaeotech from the Dark Age of Technology that other Legions won't touch. The Word Bearers will touch all sorts of unsavory things that none of the other Legions will.
So, not only is each faction more or less equal in power, they are also balanced strategically. There is nothing that is going to set one faction above the others, with the possible exception of the lack of a god-like figure behind the Independents.
So, what do you think of the Curze-line Heresy? Is it a viable alternative? Is there something I'm missing that makes it untenable? Do you think it would play out differently than I've outlined? Would you build a third faction around a different Primarch?
-Phobos
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Heresy Rewritten - 40k Theorycrafting by
on 2018-12-11 19:12:00 UTC
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Tangentially related recommendation by
on 2018-12-25 19:31:00 UTC
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I've never read the Horus Heresy series, although I have heard good things about it. I have read a bunch of the other Black Library stuff, and the one I enjoyed the most was the Eisenhorn trilogy. It was interesting to watch the character develop as the books went on, as he became more and more willing to take risks to get the job done.
I can't really say much more about it, because it's been so long since I last read the books - I just have a lingering impression of a well developed character and his changing priorities as he progressed through his journey.
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I just hope this doesn't turn into Space Marine Power Hour. by
on 2018-12-13 23:24:00 UTC
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Alternate Heresy timelines seem to spend most of their time on the Astartes, when there's a far bigger universe out there getting changed. For example, how would the Imperial Army develop? The Guard partly became what it is in m41-42 because of the massive shortage of marines after the Heresy. If the factions were split into thirds, they would all need a rapid influx of troops, so each faction might develop quite large forces of non-augmented soldiers. Thoughts?
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It's always Space Marine Power Hour! by
on 2018-12-13 23:43:00 UTC
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They have the power, see.
But seriously, here's something that bugs me: There always seem to be enough humans to make more Space Marines, more Adepts, more astropaths and navigators, more servitors, and to fill out the army, the bureaucracy, and basically every other job that requires a body with a working brain and a pulse. This is despite normal humans being cannon fodder that are regularly slaughtered in the millions and even billions. What exactly IS the population of the galaxy, anyway? How many inhabited worlds are there? (What about after the latest Exterminatus?) What's the birth rate—not to mention the infant mortality rate, which I'm betting is pretty high most places because this is a Crapsack Universe full of Crapsack Worlds with a very few bright spots that tend to be merely dingy gray at best, plus the fact that any fetus that dares to be born with an extra toe or a harelip is probably euthanized immediately.
Has anyone tried to do the math on this? How much will it hurt my brain?
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Too many "if"s, but here goes by
on 2018-12-14 02:01:00 UTC
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The Imperium controls a million worlds. Assuming that's 2/3rds of all the worlds in the galaxy, and assuming every single one of those worlds are as inhabited as Earth is today (some have more, some have less) we have a grand number of *drum rolls*
9.78 billions of Humans. It is stated that the Orks outnumber all of Humanity.
But trying to assign hard numbers and math to this setting is an exercise in futility. The writers just pick numbers that look big and cool disregarding what's realistic. -
Me no good at math by
on 2018-12-14 05:45:00 UTC
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Me forget six zeroes.
9.78 quadrillions of Humans. That's 9780 followed by 12 zeroes.
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My brain can't comprehend that number! {= D by
on 2018-12-15 14:14:00 UTC
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So my next question is, was humanity ever really in danger of being wiped out? Clearly we have the reproductive capacity to rebound from anything short of the eventual heat-death of the universe. What exactly are we so afraid of? ^_^
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Well, I'm no 40K expert, by
on 2018-12-15 21:26:00 UTC
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But I always interpreted it as more of a battle for the human race's future than its survival. It'd probably be pretty difficult for humans to go completely extinct, but the Imperium is much more fragile. With so much manpower and industry required just to maintain the status quo, I can't imagine any collection of smaller empires being able to stand up to the threats of the galaxy. So if the Imperium falls, humanity may not die out altogether, but they'll be pretty much helpless to stop the Orks warring wherever they want, the Dark Eldar raiding as they please, and Chaos spreading unchecked. It would just be a slow and bloody backward slide from spacefaring society to scattered pockets of planetary resistance. At least until the Tyranids straight up eat the whole galaxy.
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But now Chaos is less of a threat. by
on 2018-12-15 23:42:00 UTC
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At only a third of the manpower it has in the main setting, the Indeps and the Imperium can both focus more of their resources to fighting other threats. Remember, the Imperium is at a third of its canon numbers for space marines, but its massive infrastructure is still largely in place. The Imperial Army could be expanded very quickly, and the Adeptus Mechanicus could still provide plenty of equipment. Perhaps the Sisters of Battle could be created to make up for lost Astartes?
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The Sororitas by
on 2018-12-15 23:52:00 UTC
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If canon keeps treating them the way they've been doing so far, I wouldn't trust them with anything.
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Hey, their gonna be back in plastic come 2019. by
on 2018-12-15 23:56:00 UTC
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They'll probably get some victories in their codex. Also, didn't Saint Celestine do some cool stuff in the 13th Black Crusade?
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Sure hope so by
on 2018-12-16 00:58:00 UTC
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Because all I remember them doing in their codex is losing in Sanctuary 101 (even if they did win the rematch), losing during the Bloodtide, and some other bad things.
As for Celestine, she's remembered for losing against Abbadon when she and Creed jumped him.
Also all those special Sororitas characters whose only role during the 13th Black Crusade was dying.
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It's all been down hill since the Age of Apostasy. by
on 2018-12-16 01:07:00 UTC
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But maybe this timeline can fix that.
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They're, not their (nm) by
on 2018-12-15 23:58:00 UTC
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That sounds like a more plausible number. (nm) by
on 2018-12-15 00:27:00 UTC
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On Mortarion: by
on 2018-12-12 14:09:00 UTC
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He had to be tricked into joining Chaos. I'd say he joins the third faction due to his hatred of all things Warp.
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Yeah, but... by
on 2018-12-12 17:28:00 UTC
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The Independents have all three founding members of the Librarius. I don't think he'd be too happy on their side, either.
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Fair point, maybe the Death Guard stayed loyal? by
on 2018-12-13 23:19:00 UTC
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A couple ways this could happen, in my view:
First of all, no matter what, we'd have to get Typhon out of the picture as early as possible. If he died during the Crusade that would be incredibly convenient. For the sake of argument, let's say he did. Then, Garro would in all likelihood replace him as First Captain. Assuming he could get his Primarch's ear before the machinations of Horus and the now-silenced Typhon really start setting in, he could very well sway Mortarion back to the light of the Emperor just as Typhon nudged him away. This would have to happen around...mid-Crusade?<br>If Mortarion had the inclination to allow Horus to *believe* his manipulation was working, he could easily set himself up to silence the rebellion before it got rolling. Assuming he didn't tell the Emperor of Horus's plans either through ignorance--he never learned of them in the first place until the last minute because Horus smelled a rat--or because he wasn't sure whose side he was really on--he could probably cripple the Traitors' fleet from within their own ranks...granted, at the likely cost of most, if not all, of his Legion. Even if that weren't possible because he never entered the Isstvan system (Horus probably ordered him to a fair distance away as he did with some of the other Legions to prevent their intervention until the end of the rebellion), the Imperium would benefit greatly from the presence of a loyalist XIV Legion. Of course, *then* they might end up at the Dropsite Massacre as the first wave...
A more plausible variation is that things go as they do in the Prime-line, with the exception that a more plot-savvy Typhon recognizes the unreliability of a braggart like Grulgor and decides to teleport to the Eisenstein himself to make sure Garro is dead. He either defeats the Battle-Captain and ensures the Emperor doesn't learn of the Heresy until it's too late...or Garro proves to be the better fighter and escapes the Isstvan system easily after slaying Typhon. Regardless, the majority of the Death Guard would remain under the banner of the Warmaster, but the real difference is that they never end up being corrupted by Nurgle. They'd be more like canonical Night Lords by M41--renegades, yes, but trusting themselves and shunning the Warp whenever possible. -
Most interesting by
on 2018-12-12 00:57:00 UTC
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Not having Magnus contact the Emperor means the Webway Project remains viable and not full of Tzeentchian daemons. That gives the Emperor a massive advantage.
Also, having the Emperor live to see that is huge. Having all those sons fall to Chaos should teach him humility and he will be a better father to his sons.
With that wisdom borne from regret, he would reach out to the Independent faction. They wouldn't remain Independent for long.
I'm going to throw out possible outcomes for non-Astartes factions.
Inquisition - still exists, but it's drastically different and more effective than its Prime-line counterpart.
Ecclesiarchy - doesn't exist. The Emperor insists on not being worshipped like a god. It helps that it becomes public that the Lectitio Divinitatus was written by Lorgar. I don't know if several forces related to the Ecclesiarchy (specifically the Sisters of Battle) will exist regardless, as the whole Goge Vandire and the Age of Apostasy events won't happen.
AdMech - under the Emperor's guidance, the Men of Iron debacle doesn't happen. Therefore, and with more of the Imperium not being ravaged by the Heresy as it was in Prime-line to support their activities, technological progress and STC finding is much faster. True AI constructs are still rare but they're harder to corrupt.
Imperial Guard - knowing that the Emperor is still alive and fighting at their side should prove a major morale boost. The Great Crusade should begin anew and more worlds join the Imperium.
Tyranids - the Pharos debacle doesn't happen so they aren't called in. That's a HUGE thing the Imperium doesn't have to fight.
Orks - the Beast WAAAGH! still happens but it's much better managed, with the Emperor and the Primarchs running things instead of a bunch of incompetent High Lords. Damages and casualties are still severe but not nearly as much as Prime-line demanded. Ullanor is destroyed and spoilers regarding that planet and a certain Ork never happen. The Ork threat beyond that becomes a lot more manageable to the Imperium.
Eldar (of all flavors) - they're still around, and they're still a threat. The Emperor might try to strike deals with them, citing Chaos as the common enemy, but the Eldar will either refuse, citing all those Traitor Legions boosting the Chaotic forces, or reluctanctly agree to the Emperor's deals. If there's any sort of alliance, it will be on shaky grounds and both sides will have detractors.
The Dark Eldar and Harlequins will of course not care. Nothing the Imperium can do will stop Slaanesh's predation on their souls or the Great Dance.
Tau - they're an interesting case. With an Imperium more open to diplomacy instead of "shoot first, shoot second and keep shooting" something good might come of this. Best case scenario, they're accepted amongst the Imperium as some abhuman species. Worst case scenario, Damocles happens but it's much better managed and without HF Behemoth to recall all those Imperium forces the Tau are completely destroyed.
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I worry about Magnus. by
on 2018-12-11 21:33:00 UTC
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You have him in the third faction, and I think your way of getting him there works, but... by overthrowing the Edict of Nikea, you let the Thousand Sons fall deeper and deeper into psk-craft and the Warp. And the Warp is dangerous. Sooner or later, Magnus is going to touch something that's too much for him to handle, and he's going to be consumed.
If what takes him is of Chaos, and if it's canny enough to not immediately go full Lovecraft, what you end up with is an effective Traitor Legion inside the third faction. If you believe that the Alpha Legion are in some sense still Imperial loyalists, or at least anti-Chaos, two of your three factions have a canker in their hearts. That promises to be an absolute nightmare to sort out.
Second question: it seems moderately likely that the Ruinstorm will still happen (it started at Calth, after all). But with the Emperor and the Astronomican still fully in play, will it be as effective? And even if it is - the Emperor has a functioning Webway portal. If he can learn to navigate it fast enough, he has the ability to drop his loyal legions pretty much anywhere.
Once again, things look pretty bad for the Independents. I think you're right that they need a leg up, but from who? The Cabal wouldn't go for it, I think - they're too tied up with 'humanity must die'. The Eldar... possible. It would lead to a War for the Webway, which means less attention being paid to Horus' faction. That's probably a bad thing, though if there's a reconciliation later (say, after the Indys lose the Thousand Sons to Chaos, and realise this is The Biggest Problem), dropping five legions out of the Webway on top of Horus would make quite a splash.
Who else? Well... if Magnus doesn't fall into Chaos, he seems likely to keep researching, and poking around psyk-active locations. He'd probably go after the Pharos, which means conflict with the Ultramarines. And... is there anything psyker about the Necron?
Come to think of it, it was Magnus who was in favour of learning from Xenos cultures in general, wasn't it? Yeah, I can totally see him poking about in Necron tombs and attempting to Warp-craft himself an 'alliance' with them.
I think that's my answer: the Indys, in rejecting the Emperor, also reject his fear of all things xenos. If the Loyalists represent Humanity, and the Traitors represent Chaos, then the Indys represent Everyone Else. They will use Xenos tech, everything they can get their hands on. And like everything else in 40K, it will come back to bite them, hard.
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You raise excellent points by
on 2018-12-11 22:49:00 UTC
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Your first concern is, I feel, mitigated somewhat by the other members of the Independents. The Khan and Sanguinius both preach restraint on the topic of psycher abilities. Curze and Sanguinius are also turning their powered up eyes toward the future, which may lead to stronger warnings for Magnus.
However, if the Thousand Sons and Alpha Legion are cankers in their alliances, then the Dark Angels are, as well. Nothing in the Curze-line stops the schism in the Dark Angels. So I think there is balance there.
The start of the Ruin Storm was Calth, but it took a full Shadow Crusade to make it the threat that it became. So it will likely be a localized phenomenon unless Lorgar figures out how to power it up.
The Webway might be what finally pushes the Eldar to take a side. If the Emperor can drop a Legion anywhere, then he can drop them into the heart of the Craftworlds.
Interesting point, though, if the Pharos doesn't work out like it does in the Primeline, then potentially the Tyranids never show up. They were originally drawn to this galaxy by the events in the novel "Pharos".
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I think a lot turns on the Thousand Sons. by
on 2018-12-12 17:20:00 UTC
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This might be because they're the Legion I've been actively trying to understand the most (can't imagine why!), but consider:
Of the Legions the Chaos Gods most fear, the Thousand Sons are one, and the Space Wolves are the other; Chaos would have loved for them to wipe each other out at Prospero. Since that doesn't happen, both Legions are still in play, and at full strength.
So, the Indys have what is possibly the most potent weapon against the powers of the Warp on their side. If the rest of the Librarius can reinforce Ahriman's doctrine of "Marines first, psykers second" and impose some restraint on them, that's a force of extremely powerful and disciplined psykers ready and willing to kick in the teeth of anything Chaos-related that comes at them.
Furthermore, Magnus knows about the Webway—he discovered a way into it on Aghoru, well before Nikaea. Not as much as the Emperor, but enough to give the Indys a leg-up on dealing with it when it becomes a problem, especially if the Eldar are on board, too. I think that's likely, since the Eldar did try several times to warn the Imperium about what was coming. If their overtures to Vulkan still happen, there's a chance he actually listens and tells the others about it.
The problem is the fact that Magnus already made a deal with Tzeentch to stave off the Flesh Change, and Tzeentch will call in that debt at some point. Assuming Magnus refuses to give up his soul or those of his sons to Chaos, since he isn't pushed to the literal breaking point here, the Legion is in trouble again—but I'm thinking it might just be possible to actually do something about it in the Curzeline. Ahriman's efforts to stop the Flesh Change are doomed in the Primeline for myriad reasons, but supposing he and Magnus actually work together, with help from the rest of the Librarius, and maybe the Eldar? Maybe there's a way to make it work.
Or, worst-case scenario, some version of the Rubric still happens and most of the Legion ends up as automata. They're still a potent force to be reckoned with.
... Actually, a worster-case scenario might be they have to do what the Emperor's Children originally did to "fix" their own gene-seed problem and cull everyone who's affected. This is a terrible plan that I don't think Magnus (or Ahriman, or the other captains) would ever go for, but OTOH, if everyone else decides that's the only way the faction survives, you've got Curze and probably Perturabo, perfectly willing to wield the axe.
I'm out of time to go further, but another thing Phobos and I started talking about last night: What about the Mechanicum? How does that shake out?
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On stopping the Flesh-Change by
on 2018-12-12 22:36:00 UTC
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So, can it be done? As Nesh presents, yes, it's possible that Magnus and Ahriman might manage it.
However, there are other options: a popular choice is soulbonding Magnus &c to the Emperor, the same way Navigators work, and turning them into Blind Psychic Monks. This is the route taken by Dornian Heresy, and a number of other Loyalist!Sons AUs. Conceptually, it's... pretty awesome. But if the TS go independent, it's obviously non-viable.
Another choice is to try and get the Eldar to help, although I dunno enough about them to know what they'd do.
And finally, they could try to stick it out. The Flesh-Change can be resisted. It's just extremely hard, and takes immense force of will.
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I mean... by
on 2018-12-13 11:40:00 UTC
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... or they could fail, and fall.
I understand the impulse to go with 'six legions actually playing nice with others would make things better', but the truth of the 40K galaxy is that attempting to do the right thing often makes things worse. Magnus is a prime example of that: he cares about other cultures, builds a bright city of learning, and attempts to warn his father about the Heresy - and look how it turns out for him.
Look at who's in Team Indy:
-Conrad Kurze, probably insane, with the Night Lords made up of a bunch of violent criminals who delight in slaughter.
-Magnus the Red, who has already made one deal with the Chaos Gods, and the Thousand Sons, prime fodder for any warp creature looking to claim an unwary psyker.
-Jaghatai Khan and the White Scars. They seem nice! They also seem like they'd inevitably fall out with the Night Lords.
-Perturabo, who Lexicanum describes with words like brutal, vicious, unforgiving, and envious, and the Iron Warriors, who love to merge themselves with technology, because that never goes badly, right? It's not like there's a Schism of Mars fed by corruption through technological means or anything? Also: what happens when they meet the Necron?
-Sanguinius, who is deeply prone to trusting both the Emperor and Horus, and the Blood Angels, who are prone to losing control and attempting to drink the blood of their enemies. They're moderately nice, but with the Night Lords and Iron Warriors, we've got three utterly brutal legions matched up against the Scars and Sons.
-Vulkan, who's likely to join Magnus and Perturabo in the whole 'quest for xenos tech' obsession, and the Salamanders. Again, they seem nice! They might have some weird interactions with the Iron Warriors, though - the master crafters allied with the self-augmentation experts?
What I'm seeing here is an alliance riddled with fault lines. Think of how quickly the Chaos legions started to fall apart, from each other and even internally. The Loyalists hung more or less together because they all looked up to the Emperor - but this lot have no such leader. History would suggest that Sanguinius would wind up in charge (everybody loves him, after all), but he seems likely to start agitating for reconciliation with the Emperor, and how would Kurze or the psykers take that? Not well, I'm thinking.
This is a fascinating timeline, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking things will go particularly well. This is still 40K, after all.
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Butwhytho? by
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I mean, yes, in the grim darkness of the far future etc...
But why, though? Serious question. Let's look at it.
You've got two major agendas in play: that of Chaos, and that of the Emperor. Chaos is inscrutable, but broadly simple: as long as we're all acting on our worst natures, demons get fed and the gods get stronger. Yay grimdark.
The Emperor is also inscrutable, and his plan is for the survival of the human species, which is a rather more complex matter given the above—there's a reason the Cabal thought it would be best just to wipe us all out, after all. Chaos loves us. Yet, the Emperor thinks he can preserve us and possibly even wipe out Chaos itself.
How's that working out? If you ask Phobos, he'll tell you that everything is going according to plan. The Emperor foresaw everything his sons foresaw and more, and he's set the board so intricately that the dominoes have been falling as he intended without anyone having the slightest clue (which is also part of the plan). This is the razor's edge we walk to eventually get to a place of victory. If that's the case, then any changes to the sequence of events create a failed timeline.
But there's an equally strong possibility that's not the case. That the Emperor made mistakes, things have not gone as planned, and we're struggling along under the delusion that there's still hope. If we go with that assumption, then why would it not be possible that doing things differently could go better?
(Yes, this is me saying "the rules suck let's make new ones" in one of these threads again. I'm realizing this might be something of a personality flaw...)
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... people think the Emperor planned this? by
on 2018-12-13 14:51:00 UTC
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Huh. I've been operating on the assumption that it's all an uncontrolled shambles: that the Emperor's plan was basically 'unify humanity and get rid of everything else', and he's been bolting bits onto that as new problems came up. Evil gods in the warp? Try and bodge together a new transport system so we can just ignore them. One of the kids playing tickle-the-dragon with said warp? Ban psykers, and sort out the nuances later. Horus and his buddies have gone over to the other side? Send a massive fleet to squash them, quick!
These aren't the actions of someone with A Plan, they're the actions of someone with a goal who is fighting an actively malicious universe to try and achieve it.
And the trouble is that Chaos loves, well, chaos. What could be more chaotic than half of the legions fighting the other half? Ooh, I know - how about a three-way war between three evenly matched factions! You don't think Khorne is going to be salivating at the prospect? That Tzeentch isn't going to be giggling with glee at the opportunities for betrayal?
Yes, you could get a better outcome. But to get to it, you have to face and somehow overcome the threat of Chaos, and history has shown that pushing up against Chaos, even with the best intentions, leads to corruption. From Tzeentch's perspective, he's already pulled off a massive coup in this timeline - instead of six legions joining Chaos while the other twelve remain loyal, the anti-Chaos faction has been split in two, and is fighting amongst itself! What could be better?
There are paths to victory for humanity. One would be to allow the Indys time to build up their psyker and xenos tech-base, while the Emperor goes back to the genetic engineering drawing board (maybe we can get some early Primaris Marines?), and then forge common cause between the two groups and throw the whole lot - twelve legions, twelve Primarchs, every trick and gadget they've collected, and the Emperer himself - straight into the Eye of Terror. Could the God-Emperor of Mankind take a Chaos God out in single combat? What would happen if he tried?
Another, darker path would be for the Indys to find something out there in the xenos cultures. The Cabal thinks the death of humanity would take Chaos with it, and the Eldar managed to create a whole new Chaos God by their actions. What if you can perform some xenocidal atrocities and hit Chaos in that way? The Eldar Craftworlds are apparently building up a battery of souls to combat Slaanesh; what if we killed all the Eldar, and used Necron tech to wire a bunch of other xenos races into the wraithbone matrix too?
Or... if the Indys can access the Webway, they have a direct path into the Palace. What if they, rather than Horus, go up against the Emperor - with the intent of capturing him, but with the actual result of killing him? Horus managed to nearly do the job; the Night Haunter, Crimson King, Great Khan, and Perturabo together should be able to pull it off. (I'm assuming they wouldn't tell Sanguinius, and Vulkan seems the sort to stay out of it). What happens then, with no Emperor and the Indys in control of Terra?
I've never been able to say 'they would solve that problem and things would be better'. I always want to know how they solve it, what would go wrong in the doing, and how the timeline would skew further as a result.
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The Theory of the Omniscient Emperor by
on 2018-12-13 22:48:00 UTC
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As a believer in the Omniscience of the Emperor, Beloved By All, let me see if I can enlighten you.
The Emperor protects, but not from Spoilers. Stop reading if you want to avoid them.
First off, you are right. The actions of the Emperor do seem to be the actions of someone with a goal, rather than a plan. He makes a ton of unforced errors during the Crusade and I'd like to look at a few of those now.
Monarchia - Lorgar Aurelian, the Bearer of the Word, has created a paradise in the city of Monarchia. The people live their lives in service to the God-Emperor and his angels. Then the Ultramarines show up and blow it to hell. Why? Because the Emperor demanded that it should be so. The end result of this is the Word Bearers kneeling in the dust of a dead city, the Ultramarines standing over them, and the Emperor taking his most loyal son to task. This would lead to Lorgar seeking out other Powers in the galaxy, and his eventual fall to Chaos.
Magnus's Folly - Magnus the Red, having failed to sway Horus and save his soul, races headlong toward Terra to alert his father. He breaches the Webway, rips the door to Terra from its hinges, and breaks a lot of irreplaceable tech. The Emperor, seeing his son, chastises him for breaking the Edict of Nikaea. He shows Magnus the Great Plan that now lies ruined around them. Magnus, in his shame, flees back to Prospero to await death at his brother's hand, and his eventual fall to Chaos.
The Warmaster - The Emperor has retired from the Crusade and left Horus in charge. The new Warmaster is handling all of the logistics of the Crusade, but then the bureaucrats arrive. Sent from Terra, they demand the Warmaster's time and energy. On top of this, the new order of Remembrancers are causing all manner of problems. His attention thus diverted, Horus makes several major mistakes, leading to the incident with the Interex, which was followed by Davin and his eventual fall to Chaos.
Lord of the Red Sands - The fate of Angron's Eaters of Cities was sealed when the Emperor teleported Angron out of harms way when the fighting was about to start. The Primarch's people were slaughtered, and he was robbed not only of his chance to fight with them, but also to properly mourn them. Angron himself says that the Emperor could have sent the Warhounds Legion (who were in system) to fight with them, or even just the Custodes. The event drove a wedge between the Emperor and the Primarch, and the pain of it fuels Angron's eventual fall to Chaos.
So why do I bring all of these up? Because for every one of these situations you can look at it and say, "Wow. You couldn't have driven them away more efficiently if you had tried." I mean, all it would have taken to make some of these not a disaster? The Emperor simply talking to his sons. He knew what the Ruinous Powers were, because he had already stolen a large amount of power from them. You're telling me that he couldn't spare a few minutes to tell Magnus about it? He couldn't calmly explain to Lorgar why he didn't want to be worshiped? Of course not, we have to outlaw the one and break the other.
I maintain that the Emperor manipulated events to be what they were. Why else build the Legions the way they are and then treat them like he does? The Iron Warriors want to build marvelous buildings for the betterment of humanity? Give them the worst, most thankless, dirtiest jobs imaginable. The Emperor's Children have a superiority complex because they were handpicked from the aristocracy? Engineer a genetic disease that only affects them and puts them squarely in the shadows of the other Legions. The Emperor waged a calculated campaign of cruelty against the Traitor Legions and their Primarchs.
He drove Lorgar and Magnus into the open arms of Chaos. He drove Perturabo, Mortarion, and Angron into rebellion, and eventual Chaos. He created Curze and Alpharius to be the monsters they are. He engineered the circumstances that made Fulgrim lust for higher peaks, and that made Horus doubt his own judgement.
It all boils down to a few key points. I believe the following:
1) The Emperor has known about the Ruinous Powers the whole time, or close enough to it as to make no difference.
2) The Emperor does not make mistakes. He stole fire from the Gods through trickery. He fought a C'Tan and buried it on Mars. These things do not happen by chance.
3) The Emperor intends to destroy the Ruinous Powers. In order to do that, he had to draw them into open conflict. He set his sons as bait to draw them out.
As a last piece, we have several instances of a particular technique being employed before and during the Heresy. It involves launching a craft toward your target while completely powered down. Once inside auspex range of the target, power up the craft for the final approach. Your enemy will not be able to react in time. The only issue with this approach is that, once launched, you have no control over the craft. You have to trust that your calculations are correct, and that nothing changes.
This technique was used by the Luna Wolves (in the event that gave them that name) under the command of the Emperor. I believe the Emperor is employing this technique again on a grand scale. Set events in motion, knowing that you will be unable to affect the course of events (because you are a skeleton on a fancy chair). Hope that you have been able to see far enough and that you can count on everyone to do their part, even though they don't know that they have a part.
So, yes. Khorne may salivate, and Tzeentch may giggle, because they like the way everything is going, but they don't see where it will end. Everything is proceeding according to plan. A plan that was set in motion 10k years ago or more. One simply has to have faith in the Emperor, Beloved By All.
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The Emperor's Plan by
on 2018-12-15 09:03:00 UTC
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Dear Diary,
Today on the way back from C'Tan wrestling (great workout!), I stumbled onto the fact that the Empyrean is inhabited by four malevolent beings of 'godlike' power, along with countless hordes of what I'm going to name 'daemons' (classical reference, diary - look it up!). How did I miss that?! Being basically omni-potent/niscient/awesome, I immediately came up with three plans for dealing with this problem.
Plan Ne-Shomeh
'The Warp is what it eats'. If that's so, maybe I can feed it... something better? Let's run through the four 'gods':
-Subject K is all about war and slaughter. Plan: transition it over to honour and glory. Could create an order of honour-focussed superwarriors to pull this off.
-Subject T is all about change and betrayal. How about art? Could make some kind of order of artists (idea: send them out with the supersoldiers??); alternately, could convert it to focus on bureaucratic infighting.
-Subject N, plague. Need something else that spreads memetically across civilisations - religion? Bit of a blow to rationalism, but if it works...
-Subject S loves murderous excess. How about switching it to simple rich decadence? Could create a feudal, strongly heirarchical society for that.
Plan pH.Obos
Fighting is good, right? But these 'gods' are all squirrelled away in the Warp, not really available for wrestling. I'm sure if they or their daemons came out more, they'd be a cinch to kill.
So how about a Trojan Horse scenario? Send in some soldiers (maybe those superwarriors from last plan?) to convert to their side and change them from within. Rather than hiding inside, get them going on crusades out into the material world, where they can be fought.
Ultimate goal: bring the four entities out in person. Might need some sort of host bodies? Perhaps some kind of super-superwarrior?
Plan Huine's Oron
The Fall of the Eldar shows that it's possible to make a new 'god' in the warp. What if the new one was a God of... Order?! Would need to dedicate an entire galaxy-spanning society to authoritarianism, but eventually would build up enough believe inmeSubject E to transform him into something that can impose rules and commands on the population of the Warp.
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Problems with these plans: they're all going to take a while, call it ten millennia or so, and they're going to make for a rubbish galaxy while they're ongoing. What if the Eldar decide to try and 'improve' situation for humanity (stranger things have happened!)? For safety's sake, will probably need to wipe out all Xenos races along the way.
Hmm... and I will have those handy superwarriors to work with...
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on 2018-12-16 01:49:00 UTC
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Yeah, that sounds about right! (nm) by
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On Plan Ne-Shomeh. by
on 2018-12-15 19:49:00 UTC
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Actually, if you want to take a look at what the Chaos Gods might look like if their bright aspects were emphasize, you can, as memory serves, take a look at Brighthammer. See, it's not exactly as if the Chaos Gods have no good points, as has been noted, so you could possibly alter them by forcibly enforcing these.
For Subject K, you're spot-on with Honor. It's already a decent-sized chunk of him and how people get caught up with his followers, and, if memory serves, part of why he hates Psykers. They can just sit at the back and blow people to bits with their minds without ever putting themselves in danger, and how is that honorable? However, glory... it's there, but I don't think it's strong enough to make up a sizable chunk of Dieting!Khorne. Instead, I'd go for righteous anger, that which makes somebody seize a blade because they intend to put themselves between the strong and the weak, because there is somebody that needs to be protected and they will be the person who does it because this is not fair and it is notright and that will be fixed. Anger is already a big part of him, but changing the source of that anger will probably have a decent impact.
Subject T - well, change isn't necessarily bad, is it? It's the reason that things get better, not just the reason things get worse, and this is why Tzeentch is also the God of Hope and Ambition. The issue is how this manifests itself. Tzeentch, as it stands, promises standing at the cost of someone else, power which is used to destroy others, the ability to escape bad situations only by casting others down. He's also change for the sake of change, which has a tendency to be bad when these changes include things such as changes to personality, or changes to physical form expressed as very visible mutations. There are so many ways to go wrong that when you're just throwing changes at people, they're probably going to get worse. So, for him, as with the anger of Khorne, you have to change the nature of these things. Ambition, but not at the expense of others. Hope, but not only for oneself, but for those around one, or indeed for everyone. Change, but only for the sake of making things better. You'd apply similar reasoning to altering Dieting!Tzeentch's aspects as God of Magic and Planning, I think.
Subject N is going to be the most difficult, because the reason he is a Chaos God is half lack of understanding of the worldview of most sapient creatures, and half because he loves everything. Everything. From the highest noble to the lowliest peasant to the ugliest toad to the most lethal bacteria. He loves everything, and the problem is, living creatures aren't the best at getting along without harming other living creatures in some way. He also, as memory serves, doesn't perceive how humans experience disease as humans do. To him, it is essentially an act of worship towards him, and any agony and discomfort might be read as gratitude. However, there is something here that can be used - love. Not romantic love, but simple benevolence towards everything. Harnessed appropriately, it would be a very useful component for converting Nurgle into a deity less likely to overrun a planet with plague and be thankful to the population for dying from it. Nurgle is also the God of Happiness and Peace. His daemons have a tendency to be relatively... hm... jolly, perhaps is the right word. These are all things that could be emphasized to create a better deity in the right hands, but... my problem with Dieting!Nurgle is that I'm not sure how to do it in a way that gets rid of the fundamental problem that arrises from the fact that he loves each and every living thing.
Subject S isn't quite the God of Murderous Excess - they're just excess in general already. Thus, it already has quite a fondness for fine dining and the pleasures of the senses. It's not so much refocusing on these as restraining it to these, which is, to be fair, a good plan. It is also, however, the God of Pleasure and Perfection, or at least, attempted Perfection. From these domains, it manages to install itself as the God of Artists. This is something that can be leaned into, while also leaning away from using things like blood as painting materials. Dieting!Slaanesh would basically be... well, sort of how some people have thought of artists in the past. Hedonistic and obsessed with making their art The Best Ever, and actually willing to put in the work to make it that good, but not really harmful.
At least, that's what I think. I could be wrong on all of this, and honestly, probably am. :P -
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... but if things like Universal Love and Tons of Art are the Emperor's cunning plan to defeat Chaos, then he failed miserably, because what he ended up with was a death-worshipping empire of feudal bureaucracy. So if his plan is running as intended, it has to reflect that.
Now, granted, he COULD have failed.
But Phobos said he is omniscient,
And Phobos is an honourable man.
(With apologies to W. Shakespeare.)
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My thoughts on Subject N. by
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In a not-crappy universe, Subject N is the god of nature, cycles, and balance. That last bit is really important. If all life is equally precious, then theoretically, no one form of life should be allowed to destroy any other, but the other side of the coin is that none is inherently more worth saving, either. That looks like a stalemate, except that (as I understand it) Nurgle is delighted by new forms of life, new techniques of survival, etc. This tends to take the form of horrible new diseases in canon, but may also apply to the tendency of living things to adapt and change and evolve. The ones that do this the best are the ones that tend to flourish, but flourishing too much at the expense of one's ecosystem results in an eventual collapse, so what you want is a constant, cyclical ebb and flow of ascendance and decline.
Dieting!Nurgle knows that predators and disease have their roles in keeping populations in check, but if the prey or host population is utterly wiped out, so too is the predator or disease. A population may eventually outgrow its predators or become immune to a particular form of disease, but either the predator/disease will adapt, or something new will come along to serve the same purpose. This is all good and proper. Adaptation is survival; stagnation is death; balance is life.
Nurgle may not be able to love an individual, but that's okay. We've got Dieting!Slaanesh to recognize the potential for excellence and worthiness of love in each and every person. {= )
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I've been pondering the same question about the better nature of the Chaos Gods as I work on my version of Brightammer, and this is what I've managed to think up:
Subject K is the god of strife and competition. It seeks to make people stronger by testing them.
Subject T is the god of hope and knowledge, and it provides mortals with both courage and cunning.
Subject N is the god of life and death, who provides mortals with inner peace so that they may face the cycle of death and rebirth.
Subject S is the god of excess and desire. It gives mortals the power to see the joy that their lives already held, and also sick heavy metal songs, which are the only appropriate soundtrack for the galaxy they face. -
A minor point, but... by
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... Saying that Chaos gets stronger when people act on their worst natures... isn't really true. One of the things I find really interesting about what I've read of the whole Brighthammer thing in general is that the Chaos gods... don't really change much. At most, the emphasis change, with Khorne, for example, focusing less on the aspects that are the constant spilling of blood and mindless violence and more on the aspects that are honor and violence for the sake of others, but this doesn't make him not Khorne. For Nurgle, it's even more weird, since, assuming I've read things correctly, he is essentially loving to all living things (regardless of whether or not they, oh, invade the bodies of other living things and cause them to slowly, painfully die).
Really, this is a problem, although given that I'd predict that the Independents would spend more of their time fighting their Chaos brothers than their Imperial brothers, the Emperor might decide to clue them in to weaken their mutual enemy, for since their followers aren't worshipping the Emperor, they will (assuming I've remembered this right) fuel the Chaos Gods with even the most noble of intentions and emotions. Somebody will end up getting power from that faction, and I don't think there's really a third option between the Emperor and Chaos. -
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Indeed, it is worth considering what Chaos IS as an entity.
Chaos isn't evil. It's somewhat telling that we call the servants of Chaos daemons, not demons—a spelling classically associated with neutral forces. Chaos is chaotic neutral, not evil. It's a reflection of the collective unconscious: messy, raw, emotional, and unstable.
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The Warp is what it eats. by
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The Chaos Gods were created from the preeminent drives within the psyches of the dominant species of the time and then got fat on worship. That's why the Emperor tried to make the Imperium as rational as possible. He just sorta forgot that, when you put the universe on a diet, it's not enough to cut carbs and avoid processed foods. You have to feed it good things, like compassion, tolerance, kindness, generosity...
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Oh, I'm not saying it'll go well... by
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It's indisputably gonna fall apart. The question is HOW.
Hell, I still think Magnus is a weak link. The Sons are arrogant to a man, and pretty dang independent. There's still a good chance of them falling and even if they don't it could be trouble.
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On the Eldar by
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They're very unlikely to help, let alone people as touched by the Warp as the Thousand Sons. The TS are better off helping themselves or waiting for the AdMech to find a breakthrough.
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Can I ask what your timeframe on this is? by
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BC if this is during the 41st Millennium, then the Tau seem like the perfect allies for the Independent faction. The rigidity of Tau castes and their ideas of "a place for everyone and everyone in their place" seems like a very good fit with the organizational philosophy of the Legions, and it also gives them a serious amount of additional firepower. Consider: Terminator armour with Battlesuit mods and weapon systems, and vice versa.
also the standard longarm of the independent legions would then prolly be the burst cannon instead of the bolter and that is some serious upgunning right there -
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The Tau are unlikely to bow to the kind of Humanity-is-superior rhetoric of the Imperium, and while the Independents may have broken off for various reasons, I see little to indicate that they'd have flipped position on that.
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The original idea... by
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is that the Independents are Team Don't Be a Jerk (And Maybe the Galaxy Won't Burn For Ten Thousand Years).
So, they reject Chaos and all the awful stuff that goes with it. They also reject what's not so great about the Imperium, and that means rejecting its blinkered insistence that humanity is teh awsumest 4evar. This whole faction starts off with listening to Konrad Curze, after all, and he is not humanity's biggest fan. He's seen its dark underbelly. He knows its flaws and its weaknesses, and pretending they don't exist does not make them go away. It makes us more vulnerable to exploitation.
Primeline!Curze believes the only way to deal with this is to bring humanity under absolute control through fear. Curzeline!Curze, however, is tempered by the likes of Vulkan ("protect the weak"), Sanguinius (he fears his flaws, but strives to overcome them), Magnus ("knowledge is power"), Perturabo (building a more beautiful tomorrow, today!), and the Khan ("the Khan is just chill as f***, okay?" —Phobos).
I know nothing about the Tau, and we've only gotten about as far as Isstvan/Prospero/Calth on the timeline anyway, but if all that sounds good to them, then sure, why not? {= )
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taumarines taumarines taumarines taumarines yay by
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I bring up the question of the timeline because, well, the Tau didn't even exist during the Horus Heresy. Their civilization is established as only having existed for the last six thousand years by the time of M41, but they've still massively outclassed the Imperium in terms of interesting technology. One of the big barriers to their expansion has always been low numbers and an inability to build functioning warp drives. Allying with the Nostramine League (bc there has to be a better name than "Independent Marines Faction") gives them access to both more manpower AND more manoeuvrability.
The biggest stumbling block in that regard is the Tau's propensity for proselytization. While the Marines are not exactly worshipping the Cult of the Emperor Ascendant, and while the Greater Good is - in broad strokes - very similar to the doctrines underpinning Nostromine philosophy, one imagines that there would very quickly become disputes as to how to conduct campaigns. The Fire Caste fights like the White Scars: mobility is absolutely paramount, and concentrated, overwhelming force to take out the enemy's leadership at the weakest point of the line is the cornerstone of their strategy. Given that you've already stated that the White Scars are the weakest of the Recon Legions, this might be a bit of an issue. It also doesn't gel entirely with people like Sanguinius's strategies, since the Tau consider melee combat to be a barbarous abomination at best. I also worry that the Tau would be too eager to try and fold the Nostramines into the Tau Empire proper, which might strain relations rather. -
Lorecheck by
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Scape, I know you don't like the Tau lore mess, but we can't just ignore it and assume your perspective: it does have to be addressed.
The Tau... are complicated. Not because they're complex in and of themselves, but because lore is contradictory. Okay, that's par for the course in 40k, but the Tau kinda take it to the extreme. Depending on who you ask, the Tau are relatively benevolent, optimistic, and arguably a bit naive, collectively an empire that's trying to do the best for its citizens and The Greater Good...
...Or they're a mash of Huxley and Orwell, with the typical 40k ruthless cruelty hiding just beneath the skin, utilizing mind control, eugenics, and the usual set of sinister tactics.
Which of these perspectives is propaganda is left to the reader.
So really, we have three options:
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The Tau are cold, pragmatic, and extremely sane. They're not exactly honorable, but they're very good at running a state. You can only be so evil if you want your empire to prosper.
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That's a good option. (nm) by
on 2018-12-13 23:23:00 UTC
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So much agreement! (nm) by
on 2018-12-13 23:25:00 UTC
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VeTaunari, huh? I can get behind that. by
on 2018-12-14 23:32:00 UTC
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I wonder if the Greater Good focuses more on the latter half of the phrase "a place for everyone, and everyone in their place". What if Tau society's extremely rigid caste structure is itself part of a comprehensive and clinical meritocracy, in the true sense of the word? What would that look like?
Constant and rigorous testing, standardized by the Ethereals. "Social credit" systems like the one in IRL China. Total employment and total job security meaning that much of the population, particularly recently, is subtly funneled into occupations with high turnover rates in the 'saal and 'la tiers of the four primary castes. Automation and the pace of robotics advances meaning biological Tau are slowly becoming obsolete. Everyone kept on a universal "lifetime salary" that is adjusted by what you do with your life and is otherwise the bare minimum to survive. Rises and falls as swift as they are merciless. A society that provides, but does not care; that raises, but does not nurture.
And the really sad part about that, the truly awful part... is that even with all that, compared to life in the Imperium? It is a paradise. Even without the Water Caste's diplomatic efforts, life in the Imperium is so utterly horrific that a totalitarian surveillance state run by inscrutable maybe-psychic blue space people is deeply preferable. It's a hard life, one governed by exams like some far-future version of pre-reformation Aramanth from the Wind On Fire books, but is it really worse than living in a hive? Or stuck on some dismal feudal agriworld? Or hunted down and exterminated because a distant cousin was born with a cleft palate or a club foot three decades ago?
My point is, maybe the vision of Tau society I personally consider true is a Potemkin village made by the Water Caste, but given how truly, unbelievably grotesque Imperial society is in the grim darkness of the far future, does that matter?
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Won't argue that point. by
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Pretty much any variant of the Tau empire is a better place to live than the Imperium.
But then, the Imperium's job is to be a despotic hellpit. It does it well. -
Glory to the Imperium. (nm) by
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- Space Marines of the Independent Faction, a full six legions of hulking power-armoured supermen.
- The Tau, whose knowledge of plasma weaponry far outstrips that of the human forces of the setting.
- The Kroot, who have the ability to acquire genetic traits from things that they consume.
- The Vespid, whose crystalline technology is immensely fascinating.
- The Nicassar, one of the Tau Empire's few genuine sources of psykers and who Magnus might find very interesting.
- The Demiurg, a small but dedicated contingent of asteroid miners who live aboard gigantic spacecraft.
- The Tarellians, who may be a serious source of conflict within the alliance given how the Imperium almost wiped them out with virus bombs
And many, many more besides.
The thing about this faction is that with everyone working together, they can combine their strengths to be far more effective than they would individually. The downside, however, is the competing priorities of all the elements of the alliance. One imagines conflict between the Tau insistence on things becoming mass-producible and the Salamanders' ethos of artisanal craftsmanship. Or between Tau constant examination and performance analysis and the independent spirit of the White Scars. Or between the Kroot's penchant for eating their dead (as well as everyone else's) and, well, basically everyone.
But the positives outweigh the negatives. Understanding how the Kroot adopt genetic traits into their own forms could make for incredible advances in the production of geneseed, making greater and greater generations of battle-brothers. Granting highly mobile ordnance in the form of Broadside Battlesuit support to the Iron Warriors makes them even more terrifying of a besieging force. Vespid crystalline technology combined with sonic actuators could make for honest-to-Tau'va fighting spirit-powered lightsabres for Assault Marines.
Hell, we might even see the emergence of baseline-human support for the Marine Legions! Humans learning how to pilot battlesuits and use Tau weaponry is far from impossible, after all, and it gives the Legions a steady supply of personnel from which they can find heroes worthy of receiving the geneseed. These Squire Chapters are an amazing propaganda tool too - join up, fight against oppression, and you too could become a Tonking Great Superhuman Space Marine! Apply today by contacting your housing unit's Recruitment Drone and filling out Form 72/ast-xv! Offers and pay grades may be affected by your social credit score and those of the people around you. Would you like to know more?
- Space Marines of the Independent Faction, a full six legions of hulking power-armoured supermen.
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This sounds fun! by
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I don't know how we get here from where we've started, but I like it. ^_^
And I mean it's not like Space Marines don't munch on the dead sometimes. That omophagea ain't there for no reason. Just ask the Blood Angels. Or the Space Wolves. Or that one Thousand Son who was in the Crusader Host and impersonated a Custodian to escape from uber-max prison on Terra. Or probably a dozen other examples.
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... I can't believe I forgot that. by
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Adapting the omophagea to work with Kroot genetic absorption is an awesome prospect, in both the great and terrible senses of the word. Giving them a testbed for future adaptations and refinements of the Legions' geneseed as well as an edge in ongoing campaigns. One feels that the Apothecaries of the Legions fulfil a role analogous to the Shapers, only with a less instinctive knowledge of what to eat and what to avoid.
... Though then again, is that really going to be an issue, considering some of the other geneseed organs in the Astarteslunchboxtoolbox. The Preomnor organ is an incredibly potent bio-organ, allowing a Marine to break down just about anything short of Tyranid bio-acid into nutrients without damage to the Marine chowing down. If something does turn out to be too much for an Astartes to handle, there's the Oolitic Kidney to get rid of it.
On a related note, the Black Carapace? The Tau are looking at that, then looking at the XV-02 experimental pilot suits, then back to the Black Carapace. Then they're rubbing their hands and getting the really experimental scientists. ICYMI, the XV-02s are teeny tiny battlesuits that really only constitute personal armour. However, they allow the wearer to form a neural interface with Tau machinery (in the most prominent case, a Devilfish grav-tank). This is literally what the Black Carapace does, and if you can improve the bond between a Marine and the machine spirit of his thumping great suit of power armour, then you get an even better Marine.
And all this is going to be done quietly and efficiently with medical drones who aren't pausing every thirty seconds to chant something weird in High Gothic or hurl incense everywhere. Though they might instead ask the person undergoing treatment to file a report on the progress of their genetic modifications; an optional one, of course, though failing to do so might affect their social credit score and those of their common associates. If we could just direct your attention to form 62-alpha-prime? Lovely. Your service to the greater good is hugely appreciated, Astartes. A drone will be along in a minute to mop up the remaining bits of... well, to be honest, we're not sure what that is, but it's everywhere and sometimes moving. Have we mentioned that this is experimental genetic engineering? You may withdraw your consent at any time, though doing so may seriously affect your social credit score and those of associates up to and including Connectivity Degree Four. Would you like to know more? -
Just a thought... by
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...we've given the Tau access to space marine chaplains. Productivity is about to go through the roof.
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Sign me up. (nm) by
on 2018-12-15 23:33:00 UTC
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The way I see it, ruthless is better than insane. (nm) by
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But the Tau are pragmatic. by
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Even if they wouldn't join with the indeps outright, they would probably be willing to cut some sort of deal with them if the opportunity presented itself, as they do with the Imperium from time to time in canon.
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True that by
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But that's not the same as an all-out alliance.
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As I said (nm) by
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Yey, Agreement! ^_^ (nm) by
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I have one! by
on 2018-12-11 21:21:00 UTC
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This is part one of my attempt to make a complete version of Brighthammer 40,000, effectively a mirror-universe version of 40k, an idea which has been floating around the internet in various states of completion. More to come.
The Imperium
Deep in the vaults of the Imperial palace, the Emperor of humanity sits in contemplation. Assured of his greatness by concubines and boot-lickers, but unable to influence the Imperium his is said to rule, he finds himself wondering how this came to be, how a man became a god…
It began with the Warp storms. They brought interstellar travel to a halt, ending the Age of Technology and bringing forth the Age of Strife. It was a time of total chaos, of phosphex and volkite, a time when men were mad and peace was unknown. From all this came the man who would be the Emperor of humanity.
He began his quest as one of Terra’s countless squabbling warlords, just another strongman, albeit a skilled one, directing a band of troops in a constant war for resources and technology. This all changed when he met a man named Malcador, later called the hero. Malcador became good friends with the Emperor, and it was he who suggested the Emperor take on that title. Malcador proved a keen advisor to the Emperor, and together they created a plan not just to conquer Terra, but to rebuild humanity.
With gene manipulation and lost technology, they made warriors to rival any others. Soldiers like the Thunder Warriors and the Five-Two Chiliad, guided by the cunning tactics of the Emperor, made short work of tyrants like the Unspeakable King of Albia, Cardinal Tang, and Narthan Dume (half mad and half genius).
With the lands of Terra united, the Emperor could begin the next phase of the plan he had made with Malcador. This would be the Great Crusade: a quest to rebuild humanity, so that it might live in the light once more. To this end the Emperor started his most ambitious project yet: fatherhood.
The Emperor planned to produce twenty sons through genetic engineering, each with power to rival his own. These would be his Primarchs, and they would lead his legions in the upcoming crusade.
He did this with technology captured from his first extraplantery conquest. The defeat of the gene-cults of Luna and their cybernetic army by the 8th, 13th, and 16th space marine legions allowed him to acquire genetic modification technology, which would facilitate the creation of the Primarchs and the mass-production of space marines.
The Primarchs were made in a secret facility on Luna using all the knowledge the Emperor had at his disposal. But just as he had completed his greatest achievement, hidden forces finally made their move. The Primarchs were scattered across the universe by the strange gods that dwell in the Warp.
Thus the Emperor first learned of the Gods of Chaos, and he had a new task at hand: protect humanity from the perils of the Warp. With this in his mind, continued his Great
Crusade with a heavy heart, knowing that those ruinous powers could strike at any moment. As the Great Crusade continued, and he expanded the domain of humanity through diplomacy and conquest, he began to consider a possibility. His reputation had become nearly mythic, so perhaps he could cement his power by making himself truly mythical: he would be the Emperor of Humanity no longer, he would be the God-Emperor.
Cults in his name having already sprung up all over his domain, all the Emperor had to was continue working miracles. By the time he rediscovered the Primarch Horus Lupercal the Emperor’s divinity was without doubt.
With the Great Crusade well underway and the Primarchs gradually being discovered, the Emperor began to think his work was almost done.
His dream was shattered when Horus turned against him. With half the Space Marine Legions on his side, Horus quickly claimed large portions of the Imperium for himself, culminating in a daring attack on Terra.
The Emperor would have met demise in the battle that followed, if not for the heroism of Sub-Auxilius Ollanius Pius, who went toe-to-toe with Horus himself to prevent him from landing a killing blow on the Emperor. Pius perished at the hands of the Primarch, and reluctantly the Emperor struck dead his own son.
The rebellion dispersed with the death of Horus, as movements based around a single charismatic individual are wont to do. The Emperor continued to rule, but as time went on and his empire grew, ruling his dominion became increasingly difficult. Furthermore, many high ranking officials in the Imperium thought the duties of a common ruler beneath the dignity of a god, so the Emperor delegated some parts of his duty to other people of skill and character, and slowly he found himself being pushed further and further into the background of Imperial politics. The death blow to his reign came when Ecclesiarch Goge Vandire passed a law forbidding mortals from looking upon the Emperor without permission from a High Lord of Terra. To his horror, the Emperor found out that he had lost the power to veto the edict, since he was not technically a member of his own church. To this day he remains sealed in the deepest vaults of the Imperial palace.
… The scraping of the massive doors to his inner sanctum shocks the Emperor out of his reverie. He brushes the hair out of his eyes and peers into the gloom. The figure approaching him is not one of his guards or his counselors, but rather a sword-bearing human clad in blue armor. The figure speaks to him in the voice of a man he thought long dead:
“I think it’s time we had a chat,” the stranger pauses, unsure how to address that Master of Mankind. After a few moments, the newcomer finally speaks:
“Father.” -
Part 2 by
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The Eldar
The problem with the Eldar is that to understand the Eldar, one must first understand the Eldar. The Eldar are a long lived race, their history is shrouded in myth, and no one knows how much truth really lies in the tales of gods and heroes like Isha, Khaine, and Kurnous.
The Eldar claim to have been chose to save the galaxy by the mysterious Old Ones, whose nature is lost to time. The Eldar were given amazing psychic powers and tasked with defeating the C’tan, and pushed them back beyond the Gates of Varl, where they are thought to remain to this day.
The Old Ones disappeared after the war, but the surviving Eldar found themselves in a position of strength. With their new psychic powers and the technology given to them by the Old Ones, they quickly developed a number of colonies throughout the galaxy. The Eldar were able to quickly traverse the galaxy through the Webway, a parallel dimension safer than the Warp. The network of Eldar outposts slowly turned into an interstellar empire, one that came to dominate that galaxy.
With power approaching the godlike, the Eldar lived without disease or war, their every need catered to by their powerful artifice. But the years of plenty took their toll, and their Eldar grew decadent, constantly seeking new pleasures to stave off the crushing ennui brought on by a life without challenge or purpose. The near-religious pursuit of sensation led to strange disturbances in the Warp, a realm that is never truly stable. The chaotic waves of emotion formed into a creature without precedent: the Eldar had made a god of their desire. She Who Thirsts was both the salvation of the Eldar and their undoing, for trillions of Eldar were pulled from the material realm to become Her first daemons, reborn into lives of unchecked emotion.
But some remained. Foreseeing the destruction of their species, Eldar sorcerers built mighty ships called Craftworlds to take the Eldar to the far corners of the galaxy, so that they might survive the coming end. These bands of a few billion Eldar departed to the farthest corners of the galaxy, far from the reach of the coming end. As time went on they traversed the galaxy, seeking some way of rebuilding their old glory. Throughout this trial they were aided by Khaine, the Eldar god of war, who led them into battle against the C’tan so long ago.
Khaine’s reputation had diminished significantly during the years of the Eldar empire, as he existed to lead the Eldar through difficult times that just never came in the days of the Empire, and to guide them in wars that were now a thing of the past. Over time he became a buffoon in the eyes of the Eldar, the foolish twin brother of the king, obsessed with honor and instantly flustered when faced with anything more subtle than a punch to the face. They may not have loved him, but when the Eldar needed him, Khaine was there.
Khaine taught the Eldar the ways of war again, and gave them the power to resist the pull of She Who Thirsts. He forged them into warriors and adventurers, heroes capable of reclaiming the lost Eldar worlds and bringing their people back from the point of extinction. Armed with the technology of the lost empire and psychic powers that beat the C’tan, they pursue their quest without fear, for the worst has already come.
Not all Eldar dwell on the Craftworlds. Some tread the path of the outcast, plying their trade as pirates and mercenaries on the edges of known space. These corsairs, as they are known, represent the majority of the few Eldar seen in Imperial space. They can be seen in small numbers in major Imperial ports, or working as protection for Imperial merchants.
Some Eldar survived the fall without the aid of Khaine. Some far-off colonies never learned of the destruction of their kin, while others survived outside the material realm. Trade outposts in the depths of the Webway provided a safe haven for billions of Eldar, most of them in the seemingly infinite port city of Commorragh. The people of Commorragh are as close to the old Eldar empire as one can find in the present day, reckless hedonism and all. The city is a key stopover for roving Eldar craft, as well as any Imperial ship lucky enough to be equipped with a Webway drive, though visitors should beware the locals, for the ancient criminal Kabals of Commorragh protect their own with great enthusiasm and a deeply held fascination with the misery of others.
Many ask about the Haemonculi, called by some the rightful kings of the Eldar, who dwell in the depths of that storied city. Those who do not learn the truth are happier for it.
The other Eldar of the Webway are the Harlequins, keepers of myth and agents of the Laughing God, Cegorach. It is they who tell the tales of the lost gods, and teach the young to fear She Who Thirsts. It is they who speak of Khaine’s love for his people, and his quest to avenge his fallen brother. Cegorach, for his part, just laughs.
Eldar relations with the Imperium were defined by the agreement set by Farseer Eldrad Ulthran and the Emperor. The Emperor befriended him some time during the Great Crusade, when the Emperor’s fleet made contact with the Eldar in the form of Craftworld Ulthwé. When the Eldar had run into humans before, they found them foolish and insignificant, but when Ulthran met the Emperor the days of the Eldar empire had long passed, and the Eldar of Ulthwé had learned humility in the way only total ruin can teach. The Eldar sent Eldrad as an ambassador to the Humans, and he fought alongside the Emperor for many years. In the later years of the Crusade the Emperor’s duties pulled him back to Terra, and Eldrad rose to take command of his Craftworld. Before they left they made the pact that lives on in legend. As Eldrad said: “Stay the [act of killing one’s sibling] away from us, and we’ll stay the [said noun] away from you. -
Alternate Heresies! by
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Alt Heresies are a popular thing in the 40k fandom, so on top of what you've written, Phobos, I may as well take a moment to share some of the other great ones:
The Dornian Heresy is Bolter And Chainsword's shot at a Heresy where the allegiances of every Primarch. So it's the violent traitors Leman Russ and Rogal Dorn and so on. Hence the name. The Roboutian Heresy is another crack at the same idea, which...I confess to not having read. But it's popular...
/tg/ did a trilogy of different heresies, only one making use of the canon primarchs, the other two using an entirely original cast. At least one of them actually uses the "three factions" idea. So that's neat.
And of course, the other alternate heresy: no heresy at all. Warhammer High is a collection of stories from a setting where there was no heresy, and all the primarchs settled down and had daughters who go to school together. I know, it sounds awful, and some of the stories aren't that great. But one particular writer by the name of Someone Else created a quadrilogy of brilliant long-form stories that are, in my opinion, some of the finest the fandom has to offer.
As for your heresy, I think it's viable! more alt heresies are are always fun. Although, of course, I advocate a Magnus-headed 3rd faction. If he could have gotten out of his situation without going Faust, it's quite likely what would have happened.
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My findings on studying with music by
on 2018-12-12 15:50:00 UTC
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As many of you know, thanks to the Internet, my music tastes are all over the place. I just finished letting the recommended videos take me through meme edits, Vangelis, the Crypt of the NecroDancer soundtrack, the Just Shapes and Beats soundtrack, the Trans-Siberian Orchestra, Focus, and more. I love music a lot, and now that the end of the semester is approaching, I find myself studying more and more, with music, of course. Here are a few things I've found out through experience (these may partially just be me, but who knows):
- Don't play it so loud that you have hearing damage. We all know that. But also don't play so loud that the music takes over your thoughts. You need to be able to focus on studying.
- Ideally, listen to something that's relatively fast (it makes you move faster), but not too fast or too hyper, or else you're getting yourself way hyped up.
- Don't listen to songs you haven't heard before. You'll spend too many mental cycles reacting to the song.
- Don't listen to songs with lyrics, or else you'll focus on the lyrics.
- Don't listen to songs that you strongly associate with visual imagery (AMVs, games with synchronized animation, Christmas lights displays, etc.) or else you'll get that image stuck in your head.
So far, "Echoes" by Vangelis has been the best for studying in this particular run-through.
What are your thoughts about studying with music? Do you do it? What do you like to listen to for studying? Any study tips in general? I'd love to hear them!
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I'm a bit different by
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In that I generally have songs with lyrics to study, but with the volume fairly low.
But I will leave it up if I'm already focused, it acts to block out anything else. Just me, the work, and music.
My music is also over the place, my playlist goes from Eminem to Shinedown and Kasey Chambers.
I've got nothing in tips, I've got to learn more myself!
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I just put songs on loop by
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I always listen to music (especially rock and roll) when I'm trying to focus on something. For me, one of the best ways to do that is to play something that I listen to all the time, since that way my brain isn't distracted from my work by trying to listen to the song. I'll also just put one song that I really like on loop for around 30 minutes straight.
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*remembers the comment you made earlier about Handclap* by
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*Snrk*
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Y'see, I can't get myself to turn the volume down. by
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That's probably why I have to listen to calmer music to keep myself focused.
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Update: Syrsa's music is good for this purpose. by
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A lot of it has little to no melodic interest, and there's a good deal of it that's rather peaceful in nature. And it's cool music in general. Check Syrsa out on YouTube. Please?
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I've listened to some of that guy's music. by
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I also play his game (Zerahypt).
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Ooh cool! How's Zerahypt? by
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I've been curious about it for a while! Also, what's your favorite song by Syrsa?
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I'm bad at remembering songs, but Zerahypt's fun. by
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Also, he insists it's not a game. He says games have goals, which Zerahypt does not. He calls it a Fictional Universe Simulator (FUS).
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I shall check it out, then. (nm) by
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Just be prepared to be confused. by
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It takes some getting used to.
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Seeking betas for first mission. by
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The mission is twenty-three pages, 5310 words. Canon knowledge (Harry Potter) is not essential. Mainly looking for flow, internal consistency and PPC canon.
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I'll give it a shot by
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My username is clickable so you know where to send it. Congrats on finishing your first mission, by the way :)
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Thanks! Should probably warn you... by
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...that I’m nowhere near satisfied with it. It’s the first time I’ve completed something longer than a prompt. I just need help to work out exactly what’s wrong.
Will send it within a couple of days once I’ve fixed one error that I can spot by myself!
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Break out your filking hats, friends! by
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It's twelve days until Christmas, and that means it's time for me to start the PPC Holiday Filk Game! As usual, the following guidelines apply:
1. Pick a seasonal tune that strikes your fancy—anything you like, even if it's been used for this before.
2. Write new words for it with a PPC theme.
2a. I encourage you to seek for a topic that does not involve Sue-slaying, because we have lots of filks about that. If that's what the muse dictates, though, go for it.
2b. This year, I'm wondering about agents who celebrate holidays other than the ones we're familiar with here in World One. If they had/wrote holiday songs, what would they be like?
3. Post your filk here in this thread for us to enjoy and comment on. (Generally speaking, if you post something, it's good manners to comment on someone else's thing, too.)
4. If so inclined, share a recording of yourself singing a filk or two.
5. When all's said, sung, and done, I'll add this year's entries to the PPC Holiday Songbook unless you specify otherwise.
As usual, I have yet to add last year's entries, but I hope to do so sometime next week, when I will be on vacation. Meanwhile, have fun!
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Songbook is up to date! by
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That is, unless anyone adds anything this year (there's still time!) or spots any errors. Please let me know if you do!
Link, if you need it again: http://starshadowhall.tripod.com/ppc/songbook/
I'm gonna feel really weird next year when I check and find out I actually did it already. This has happened, like, once before. ^_^;
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*looks at rule 2b* Idea! by
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"Song for a Promotion"
(to the tune of "Canto Para Pedir Posada")
Somewhat abridged because the original song is a bit lengthy. Bold lyrics sung by Miguel Correa, italicized lyrics sung by the Floating Hyacinth.
Oh, Floating Hyacinth,
Why have you called for me?
Am I in trouble?
What must I do, what do you need?
Trainee Correa, I've been watching
You are performing your duties well.
One thing troubles me; why did you allow
Kei Amakura to live, pray tell?
Kei and her author explained
Themselves with logic that rang true;
I could not have forgiven myself
If I had killed her--no offense to you.
None taken. In any case,
Your time has come.
Trainee, do you swear by Eru
To fight against the uncanon?
In the name of Eru,
I vow to defend
Canon from Sues and bad OCs
Until my life ends.
Agents rejoice, rejoice
Welcome your new comrade
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Tangential Notion: by
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So an idea popped into my head, and after I managed to coax the villagers into putting down the torches and pitchforks (the unsuspecting fools), it occurred to me that it might be worth sharing.
Having Christmas music on while my family did all the work cleaning up around the place for the holidays, and drifting through the usual carolling of tintinnabulations multifarious, resting of ye merry gentlepersons, and all that jazz, the Song of Durin started playing, and it. . . wasn't too far out of place.
Not the lyrics, per se, though there's a certain gloominess that befits winter for some folks, but the sound of the (admittedly not Dwarven) Clamavi de Profundus really was right up there with the choirs for songs like "Hark the Herald Angels Sing," "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen," and a few others that probably work better and my brain is deliberately holding out of reach.
The PPC is definitely the sort of place to pick up Dwarven-styled carols, and, if you have a listen here, I think you'll agree it's definitely a category that at the very least has more than a smidge of potential.
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Not what you had in mind, but what about... by
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"I am an agent and I'm stabbing a Sue
Stabby stabby Sue
Stabby stabby Sue"?
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(If you haven't come across "Diggy Diggy Hole" yet, go fill this gap in your experience immediately!)
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"One More Sue" by
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Note: Morsimos was a wannabe tragic playwright whose complete lack of talent Aristophanes ridiculed in his Knights, Peace, and Frogs (and presumably in some others that we don't have).
To the tune of "One More Day" by Michael Vogel and Daniel Ingram, from The Best Gift Ever
We've got so many missions here!
There's just so much to do!
How did we get another ere
We'd slain Belle Baggins? No clue!
And now that Shelob's dined upon
The latest Gary Stu,
Tumnus has a CD player now!
Please tell me that's not true!
Set disguises, and go in!
(Beep! Go! Track! Charge! Slay! Repeat!)
Set the universe on track once again!
(Track! Charge! Slay! Again!)
Set that computerized tech alight!
Neuralyze everyone in sight!
Then we come back here,
To find that Fangorn Forest has disappeared!
So when the Ents got their home back,
What we get is so rare:
To our great delight and joy, we
Actually get time to spare!
We helped an Ewok Pyro for
Light Festival prepare.
Then we get a mission once again,
It never ends, I swear!
Now a Gimli lemon we
(Track! Charge! Ex-or-cise! Repeat!)
Have that wrecks all sane biology!
(Charge Sue! Slay! Again!)
Worse than Morsimos' satyr plays
Was this lemon we were sent to slay!
Back in the RC,
We took Bleeprin for our sanity.
All five of these eliminations
Filled sixteen hours.
We must have recuperation.
To sleeping stations!
All too soon, the console sends
Us a mission dire again.
And we've only got three hours' sleep; it never ends!
AAH!
We portal to Imladris now;
She sparkles? Yes; I fear
A Twilight vampire pays a call
To fall in love with Elrohir
Forgotten are Thuringwethil,
And Carcharoth. Oh dear;
She would join the Fellowship; we portal
Her straight into Anor's photosphere.
One more Sue! At the RC
(Beep! Go! Track! Charge! Slay! Repeat!)
We're another mission sent, and we see
(Track! Charge! Slay! Again!)
That a stalker Gary Stu, it seems,
Is messing now with Éowyn's dreams!
Be repulsed--No, she ditches Faramir!
'Tis time now for the Stu to disappear!
Charge him! Slay him! Memories erase!
Then we go back and--You do not mess with Ace! -
Hehe. Now I want a filk of "One Day More" too! (nm) by
on 2018-12-27 20:25:00 UTC
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Quite nice! by
on 2018-12-16 18:27:00 UTC
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"You do not mess with Ace!" indeed~
Not knowing this song, I had some trouble matching the rhythm, but I do like it just the same. -
I have a non-holiday filk iin the works by
on 2018-12-15 00:27:00 UTC
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Currently in the process of determining which of my two recordings of the song sounds better, so I can put it into Audacity with a backing track, fight the urge to autotune the heck out of myself because I hate how my voice sounds on recording, and export the file.
Further updates will come soon, as well as the lyrics if anyone's interested.
-Twistey -
Something a little different, from another place and time... by
on 2018-12-14 21:10:00 UTC
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Based off the Catalan carol "El cant dels ocells", which you may listen to here. This is a very abridged version, on account of the original going on... basically forever.
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All worlds now see emerge
The blue-white sparkling surge
In their dark winter night
All worlds have come to know
That storms and wind and snow
Will pass and set things right.
Great Arda, writ in song
Who suffered for so long
Rejoices and displays
The greatest power of love
That shines from up above
And lights their steps with rays
And Hogwarts now replies
With love in countless eyes
That it feels footsteps too;
In Pern love flies around
And Berk rings with the sound
Of hearts that beat anew
The mist rolls out into
Cair Paravel, and through
The lovelorn Aslan's eyes;
And Redwall Abbey's spires
Play host to new desires
That none can demonise
All worlds can see the light
Of lust - er love, pure white
As fresh undriven snow;
The canon matters not,
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I love this carol. ^ .^ by
on 2018-12-27 20:23:00 UTC
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I thought your version was going to be about canonlove. I guess it sort of is... ^_^;
What do you want to call it? I'm actually trying to get the Songbook up to date this year!
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Sort of breaking 2a, but... by
on 2018-12-14 13:43:00 UTC
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only sort of. I present:
"Elrond's Daughter Once Went Out"
To the tune of "Good King Wenceslas" and with apologies for failing to rhyme.
Elrond’s daughter once went out
On the feast of Stephen
Where the snow lay round about
Deep and crisp and even
Brightly shone the moon that night
Though the frost was cruel
When Legolas came in sight
Gathering winter fuel
“Hither, maid, and stand by me,
If thou know’st it telling
Yonder Elf-prince, who is he?
Where and what his dwelling?”
“Ma’am, his name is Legolas
From the realm of Mirkwood
He is son of Thranduil
King of that fair realm”
“Bring me jewels and bring me gowns
Bring my make-up hither,
Thou and I shall see him dine,
On my flawless beauty”
Maid and princess forth they went
Forth they went together
Through the house of Rivendell
To the princess’s room.
In that room the princess dressed
There to woo an Elf-prince
She wore jewels, she wore rubies
And a gown of silver
“See, my good maid, am I not
The fairest of all?
Can Legolas fail to be
Mine for eternity?”
When the door flew open and
Jay and Acy entered
Furious they charged the Sue
And then Acy stabbed her.
They threw her into the fire
Canon was restored
Jay and Acy then returned
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I don't know what I expected but it wasn't that by
on 2018-12-18 02:02:00 UTC
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And don't worry, I have trouble rhyming as well. Props to you for doing the whole song!
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My imagination is a weird place. by
on 2018-12-18 13:58:00 UTC
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Even by the standards of the PPC!
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I'm really sorry for breaking Guidline 2.2a by
on 2018-12-14 10:35:00 UTC
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But when I heard this tune, I just had to make it about the agents working overtime (then again, don't they always?):
"Merry Christmas, PPC!"
melody: Shakin' Stevens - Merry Christmas, everyone!
Sues are falling all around me
Agents slaying, having fun
It's the season for tons of awful fanfics
Merry Christmas PPC!
Time for parties and celebrations
After we're done work overtime
Time for presents, the loot from fallen targets
If the Flowers give a dime.
We're gonna have a party tonight
I'm gonna find that Sue
in the plot hole where she hides, I'll use my dynamite!
Canon's swaying, Sues are spreading
All the old songs, we love to hear
This once claims, she's Harry's long lost sister
What a nice way to spend the year
We're gonna have a party tonight
I'm gonna find that Sue
in the plot hole where she hides, I'll use my dynamite!
Sues are falling, all around me
Agents slaying, having fun
It's the season, for tons of awful fanfics
Merry Christmas PPC!
Merry Christmas PPC!
And because I'm silly, here's Guidline 4:
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You gave me an earworm! by
on 2018-12-14 13:45:00 UTC
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Great filk though *grins*
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Let's start things off with... by
on 2018-12-13 19:58:00 UTC
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A Chanukah song! I'm not sure this one has been filked yet? Something to check, I guess.
"DOGA Agents Light", to the tune of "Chanukiyah Li Yesh"
I have a candle here
It's been with me all year
I want to light it soon
But badfics say it's noon
DOGA agents light, we light
Our fires burn so bright
DOGA agents light, we light
Our fires burn so bright!
My flamethrower's a blast
Just like in all years past
It helps me out a lot
In all the tightest spots
DOGA agents light, etc
And when new kingdoms grow
Where none should be, I go
And burn them down so we
Can keep the canon free
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Yay for DOGA and combustion! (nm) by
on 2018-12-15 15:10:00 UTC
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Yay! by
on 2018-12-13 22:41:00 UTC
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Chanukah goes well with the Pyro Department, doesn't it? {= )
I don't think I know this tune. I'll have to give it a listen later!
~Neshomeh
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LEGO: The Hobbit available for free (legally) by
on 2018-12-13 23:41:00 UTC
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For the next day and 2/3rds, the Humble Bundle are giving away free copies of the Lego Hobbit game so long as you subscribe to their mailing list.
- Tomash
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Permission Request! by
on 2018-12-15 00:11:00 UTC
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Here is my Permission Request. The following Google Doc contains my my agent bios, the two writing samples, the badfic I intend to spork. My beta reader was Quincy Jones.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OiARPnQdYGQmgAschTM1DSI4MaEjOK8uyhlU-erC5Lw/edit?usp=sharing -
Let's have a geez by
on 2018-12-22 02:31:00 UTC
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I am, first of all, bloody sorry, Silly, it took us so long to actually get onto this. Good grief. It's not usually this long!
Perhaps it's just a busy time of year, eh? Still, sorry, man.
Covering the easy stuff first, in regards to your community participation: good stuff! I know who you are, you pop up on the Discord, you're a good fella. Good stuff.
Here’s my notes I squiggled up while reading your stuff.
Phil
- He seems like a reasonable enough character throughout. Realistic and all - I like the somewhat contradiction of him being both laid back but really motivated.
- Why does he ‘hate Mary Sues with a burning passion’? I assume it all somehow ties into his fondness for literature? There’s certain areas like this, I think, where you can flesh out your character even more (though what you have already is still pretty fine.)
Spensor
- You know what, this may very well be the third vending machine agent the PPC has had throughout its history, fun fact :P. Nothing wrong with that, of course. Perhaps they should form a club.
- I’m a big fan of the concept of somebody realising they don’t exist and promptly being sucked into the PPC, actually. Hope that gets explored in your spinoff or whatnot!
- Thoroughly solid character, otherwise.
Prompt 1
- RC 6969 hehe nice
- ‘Current lone occupant’ is a bit redundant. We can assume he’s the current occupant! Look out for redundancies like that, they tend to bog stories down all muddy-like.
- In one sentence you spell higher-ups with a hyphen, in the other, without it. Which, while not a massive grammatical story killing error, it’s a bit messy innit?
- ‘Clearly someone had to teach this boy about mp3s and earbuds’ whose thoughts are these? This part of the prompt reads as if it’s from Spensor’s perspective, so that train of thought, which seemingly is not from his perspective, is pretty jarring!
- Otherwise, you capture a lot of exuberance and character in Spensor’s introduction. You can immediately tell the kind of person he is through the whole thing--I’m fond of the touch of him just littering, and I like the contrast, too, with the musical choices of the agents.
- The introduction of the two agents, I must say, is somewhat awkward. The way they speak reads as if they were previously familiar with each other, while it’s meant, rather (I think, anyway) to read as Phil being surprised that his partner is a giant robot, in general. There’s a lot of specific definite pronouns here - ‘going to be you’, ‘if they had told you who it was.’
I’d suggest, rather, using indefinite pronouns, to show that he’s surprised by the fact Spensor’s a robot, and not that he’s surprised to be meeting him again, or any such like that.
- I have absolutely no idea how he managed to fit inside the RC through the usage of a trolley. Did they take him apart and push him in? Eh? You should probably improve clarity there, because it totally lost me.
- I’m not sure what a ‘slightly synthesised voice’ is meant to sound like, either. Bit vague, there.
- I’m a big fan of how thoroughly nineties Spensor is. That is fantastically ridiculous, that, and a wonderful way to play off his canonical origins. Phil’s horror towards it is written in very classic agent fashion, but it’s bloody funny and relateable and so on.
Prompt 2
- ‘“Hrmmm...patchy,” he commented.’ is a hilariously understated and bland thing to say, after all that incredibly depressing build up in this story’s intro. Funny stuff, man.
- Missed a single comma between ‘thick framed glasses’ and ‘hoop earrings’
- Something about Phil’s dialogue, in general, gets very vividly across an incredibly tired agony. Poor fella.
- I’ll admit to not being sure as to what the administrator’s ‘“You can’t be serious. If you do this he’ll-”’ is actually referring to.
- Thoroughly solid prompt! Funny throughout and you captured Phil’s character well. I’d certainly like to see more of Spensor at some point, more depths in him and all, but I guess that’s what the rest of the spinoff is for, eh?
So as far as PPC canon knowledge and suchforth goes, it’s solid. You have a good grasp of tone, too, both PPC-wise and the tone of your stories themselves. I definitely think your second prompt is superior to your first one. You've really gotta work on that first one. Your characters have a pretty solid, if somewhat simple, chemistry together.
I would, were I you, watch out that the two of them don’t become sort of, simplistic cartoons where it’s always Phil=resigned straight man and Spensor=silly wise guy, but this is just their introductory stuff. I got faith in you!
SPaGwise, it’s a bit messy. There’s a few redundancies here, a missed comma, pronoun mixups, et al and so on. Issues with clarity a few times, as well, which do kill off a few gags. Especially in the first prompt. I’d recommend running quickly through those again and keeping more careful of that stuff in advance.
There’s a bit of stuff you've got to work on. That’s fine! I probably do. I need to stop saying 'got', probably. I think you've a good grasp on the important things we're looking for in permission--the spirit and feel of the PPC, your characters, whether or not you can write fun stories with them, so on.
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Thank you so much! by
on 2018-12-22 03:19:00 UTC
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I'll keep those things in mind going forward. I'll have a look back through and address some of your concerns. I'll also start working on my first mission. This means a lot to me.
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Hat still off, just want you to know you're not ignored. by
on 2018-12-17 05:30:00 UTC
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I started looking at this today, but I ran out of time. I will say you've still got some SPaG issues, so maybe have another look at it? I'll be on a train most of tomorrow, but if there's decent WiFi I'll try to have another look and give a proper response.
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You gonna, uh, hit this one, Nesh? by
on 2018-12-21 00:05:00 UTC
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I'd do it, being it's been a whole week, but I don't want to step on your toes or any suchlike.
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Please do. by
on 2018-12-21 14:29:00 UTC
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I've had zero opportunity; thought I'd have a lot more down time than I have actually had this week. TBH I probably shouldn't have jumped in in the first place, except no one else had and I thought it had been quite long enough then. {= /
I'm sorry, Philly. You don't deserve this.
~Neshomeh -
-pats- by
on 2018-12-21 21:38:00 UTC
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That's ok, I know we all got lives of our own.
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Roger! by
on 2018-12-17 19:57:00 UTC
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I'll have a look at it again and do some final clean up.
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PPC Hunger Games! by
on 2018-12-15 03:58:00 UTC
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It's been over a year and a half since last time, and since it looks like no one is stepping up yet... how's about I give it a go?
Rules are simple - volunteer up to four of your own Agents and, in the event our cap isn't reached, some potential NPCs, too. Once I've got everyone, the simulation will begin, and our tributes will battle to the death in glorious holodeck combat to avoid any actual lasting damage!
Permission isn't strictly required, but it is encouraged. Regardless, it's vaguely expected that there be brief interviews explaining why your agents have volunteered themselves for this and - after each day - another short thing where they vaguely react to what they've done.
Now, then. I mentioned a cap. Only a grand total of 48 agents or agents-to-be will be accepted into the sixth season of the PPC Hunger Games. This is for my own sanity just as much as it's for ease of function; acceptance is first come, first serve. Get your places before they're gone! -
Update by
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As of writing this, there are still thirteen empty slots. Since I want to give everyone a fair chance to volunteer the agents they want, I've not been filling in the additional "if you need more people" tributes. But since replies seem to be slowing down, I've come to a decision so this isn't postponed indefinitely:
As of 6:00 PM EST tomorrow, the secondary volunteers will be added. This will, as before, be first come, first serve - that is, the earlier they were given up, the more likely it'll be that they actually get in. Unless I find someone I just especially want to write in, in which case I declare that I'm running this and therefore get to take pleasure in having some specific names that make me smile. I'm sure everyone knows how that goes, and if you decide you don't like it... okay I'll probably change it if you come tell me it made you mad. -
That's a wrap! by
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All 48 slots have now been filled. Now - to make a few final tweaks to the events list so it's not boring and get to writing the first day!
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Maybe I'll give the Pinball Wizard a spin . . . by
on 2018-12-16 16:48:00 UTC
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. . . seeing as I've barely given him any screen time so far!
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(The interview.) by
on 2018-12-25 03:05:00 UTC
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Why am I entering? Come now! Surely one of HQ's premier gamers needs no particular reason to enter a game?
. . .
Aaaaaah, well. Perhaps I am . . . curious? To see how a carbon copy of me would end up faring against others in Headquarters. I am, after all, a wizard in-name only, thanks to my original fanfiction's wording. I . . .
. . .
I look forward to seeing how a wizard with no magic can manage to survive.
((This is a character I've had little opportunity to get on-page. He appeared in the second story at this link, and at this link.))
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Is there still room? by
on 2018-12-16 11:20:00 UTC
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If so I'll be sending Agents Theo and Cinnabar in. Let's set this place alight!
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For those unfamiliar with the pair by
on 2018-12-16 11:23:00 UTC
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Theo is a Mandalorian Bounty Hunter from Star Wars: The Old Republic with a perchance for setting things on fire.
Cinnabar is a RWBY Huntress leader of an original team I made up (COPR pronounced Copper), with a love of setting things on fire.
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...if there's still space... by
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Then, as promised, my entries:
1. Jacques Bonnefoy ("wizard!Jacques"). 25 year old wizard of Scottish and French parentage from a Potterverse fusion. Mortal.
2. Jacques Bonnefoy ("Canon!Jacques"). 150+ year old immortal human from the 51st century, aka the one you can find on the wiki.
3. Jacques Bonnefoy ("EPC!Jacques"). 150+ year old immortal (and immoral!) human from the 51st century, aka the one from the the Mirrorverse who wears a lot more black.
4. Jacques Bonnefoy ("Young!Jacques"). 21 year old human from the 51st century. Very recently a Time Agent. Mortal.
Because the joke that my entry would be four versions of Jacques was made, and I found the idea of actually doing it hilarious. Enjoy? :D
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Four Interviews! by
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Jacques, why have you chosen to enter the Games?
Wizard!Jacques:"Stress relief?" /smiles/ "I just thought it might be a good way to meet new people." /looks to the side/ /dryly/ "Of course, I didn't bank on three of them being myself..."
Canon!Jacques: "Well, plenty of other people seem to be doing it. I thought I'd give it a go too, since it's all in the holodeck." /winks/ "I'm mainly looking to make alliances...how about with you, gorgeous?"
EPC!Jacques: "Let's get something straight--I work alone, when the options include you. You may be immortal, but you're weak. And I'm looking at this as a...training exercise. Of course, most of the other contestants have counterparts in my world...which bumps my answer up to 'stress relief' as well, I should think." /smirks/ "Or maybe...payback."
Young!Jacques: /side-eyes EPC!Jacques/ "Yeah, I'm just out for a good time, here. We run the sim, see how it goes, then go out for drinks at the end." /winks/ "I know the drill. Hey, any chance we can use aircraft in this? You might not know this about me, but I'm especially good in the air." -
I can't tell you what I'm thinking right now. (nm) by
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Don't worry, we can guess. Easily. (nm) by
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*winks* Your place, or mine? (nm) by
on 2018-12-16 04:27:00 UTC
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Considering your place is tiny and underground... by
on 2018-12-16 04:34:00 UTC
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...let's save us all the embarrassment and go to one of ours. Or all of ours. We've got all the time in the world...
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Sending in... by
on 2018-12-15 15:46:00 UTC
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Seung-Li Kim, Lilac Mauveridge, Salvo, and Velociripper!
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I'd certainly be up for it. by
on 2018-12-15 15:40:00 UTC
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Same two agents-to-be as last time, CSF Officer Larkus Grun and Turff-Croft A.K.A. Curff the Sorcerer. Last time I got sidetracked by a six hundred mile road trip after the first interview, hopefully this time I'll actually get to stick with it.
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Interviews! by
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Larkus: "Hey, why not? It's a competition, it'll be fun! Last time I only made it to day four, but I'll do better this time, I've been practicing."
Curff: "Ordinarily I would be quite content with only one entry into this contest under my belt, but given my lackluster performance in the last tournament and my failure to provide the interviews I promised, I feel duty-bound to make a second attempt. Though I do hope my elimination will not be quite as... brutal, as it was last year." *glances uneasily at Zeb* -
Ooh, I've been looking forward to this. by
on 2018-12-15 14:01:00 UTC
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Derik and Gall want in for sure. If you need extras, you can throw Caprice and Shimon into the mix, as well.
I may not be able to reply much in the next few days, but I'll try to keep up with it while I'm on vacation.
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Awesome! by
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I volunteer Kaitlyn and Selene as tribute, and if there's room after that, I'll throw Morgan and - why not? - Dafydd into the mix too.
Can't wait!
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Oh, why not? by
on 2018-12-15 07:45:00 UTC
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I'll toss Apecian and Michael into this one and hope they can get somewhere. It'll help me get back into the swing of things. Maybe. ... Very maybe.
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Well... by
on 2018-12-18 21:32:00 UTC
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You know what? Just in case you need a few extras, I'll toss in my DH character, Animus, and his partner, Dilx'Sav'Te'Rin (who may or may not be in disguise for this). Just in case. :P
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Also, interviews. Sorta. by
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(Assuming there's a Monitor representative hiding somewhere, they can feel free to ask questions. But for now, why they're participating.)
Apecian: "Well, for one thing, it gets me out of missions while I'm in it." Grins. "Oh, who am I kidding? I'm in this because it sounds like it'll be a blast! Since nobody's actually getting hurt, I can really cut loose and see how I do in an arena like this!"
Michael: Smiles slightly. "Apecian was rather enthusiastic about entering and asked me to join too, and I thought I might as well."
Animus: "My reasons are my own."
Dilx'Sav'Te'Rin: "Well, I don't know much about what these are, but everybody was really excited about these games, so I thought I might as well sign up! From the way everyone was talking, it sounds like it might be fun." -
Volunteering Edward and Kat! by
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Kat isn’t allowed her ymbryne powers as that makes her way too OP.
Edward: I’m treating this as a training exercise. If I can survive half of HQ then I can survive any Sue, however powerful.
Kat: That and you want to be bloodthirsty without causing any actual damage. Anyway, I’m only joining to support Edward. Not expecting to be much use with my sub-par fighting skills, but anything’s better than endless Suefics. -
Nominating Richard and Marina. by
on 2018-12-15 06:09:00 UTC
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Marina gets a chance to continue her little vandetta with the PPCHG staff, Richard a chance for more training in really extreme situations.
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Farah Tahar, Crossovers (hani): "Well, we've had a few close calls recently, and I figure I could use some combat practice. I hope."
Kkukttak[1], Crossovers (kif): "I could use this to prove my worth, and also to learn more about other agents and how they fight. I should sign up."
Taq, Mary Sues (Tolkienverse orc): [just a bit after the sign-up deadline] "Hey, hey, can I still get in, please? This sounds like a good time!" (In other words, toss him in if you need more people)
Peregrin, Mary Sues (Human, Anathem-verse avout): [several days after the deadline, while checking email] "Oh, the Henger Games are being organized again ... Huh, must have not noticed. Oh well. No time right now anyway." (That is, he's not in)
- Tomash
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Kill them! by
on 2018-12-15 05:39:00 UTC
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I'll chuck in old mates Finch and Bingle and, if you need more, I suppose, Ninetwo and Anne, as well.
Bloodshed! Murder! Kill them! And a good riddance! -
'Oh, I don't want to brag...' by
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Bingle: 'But, when I am through with this competition, they will need to rename it to the "Extremely Well-Fed Games"!'
Finch: 'Bingle-s been trying to teach me how to cook, so, of course, his first bloody idea is to enrol me into a massive cooking competition. Oh, good God. I can-t imagine how this situation could reveal itself to be any worse.'
Anne: 'Finch and Bingle are acting like we're going to be cooking. Everyone else is acting like we're all going to murder each other. I haven't done murdering or cooking in a while. I'm up for either.'
Ninetwo: Events like these are, I believe, incredibly important for building camaraderie among co-workers, boosting, as a whole, productivity and cooperation among an organisation. I believe it is my responsibility to help, in any way, this goal. For the sake of my co-workers, and the PPC as a whole.
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Agent-to-be by
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If those are allowed from literally whos, then throw Amber into the thing and may the odds be ever in her favor.
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Throwing in my guys! by
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The Aviator and Zeb are always my first nominees, of course. :P If you end up needing more agents to fill slots, feel free to drag in Ix and Charlotte, and Lorson and Dax, but I'll leave that open for other people to sign up first.
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Interviews by
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The Aviator: Honestly, I would have preferred to stay in the RC with Elanor, but Zeb begged and pleaded and I couldn't say no. Let's see if I can get myself eliminated quickly from this thing.
Zeb: Hey, it'll be good for you to get out of the RC and knock a few heads together.
Ix: I don't like this. I actually feel kind of sick—wait, four Jacques-es?
Charlotte: I don't expect to even come close to winning, especially since this will be my first time participating as a human, but I'm still going to give it my best shot.
Lorson: *flips off the camera*
Dax: *winks at the camera* I'm just here to have fun, really. I'm not going to give it my all—it'd hardly be fair—but I figure this will still be an enjoyable training exercise regardless of what happens. Good luck, everyone! And Jacques, Jacques, Jacques, and Jacques—I'll see you in the arena. -
. . . Oh, what the heck, a fight to the death sounds nifty. by
on 2018-12-15 04:06:00 UTC
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I'll nominate the Detective to fight in my stead, though, since I'm not feeling particularly like swinging any punches. Jack deserves a chance to sit this one out, though. Maybe comments from the peanut gallery.
Onwards, fictional minions! Conduct brutal, bloody combat for my personal amusement! -
Now, allow me to take the very first slot. by
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I would like to volunteer my one and only agent, Ce'rana of Borune.
"Allow me to make it entirely clear that my participation was not my idea. It was my partner's. However, I cannot say it will not be fun. The best of luck to all my fellow competitors." -
...pff. Or my friends will beat me to it. (nm) by
on 2018-12-15 04:05:00 UTC
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I nominate Alexander Hawke. (nm) by
on 2018-12-15 04:02:00 UTC
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I'll also toss in Septimus, if there's room. by
on 2018-12-18 22:55:00 UTC
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Septimus: "I haven't had a good hunt in ages. This should be fun."
Alex: "Of course I had to play. A chance to cut loose and have some real fun? And to get my partner stuck in it? How could I refuse?" -
Volunteering as Tribute by
on 2018-12-15 04:01:00 UTC
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And I shall send... Thoth, O'course!
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...And why. by
on 2018-12-18 14:18:00 UTC
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"I am simply... intrigued. I see no need to curb my curiosity."
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I have a random question for you guys! by
on 2018-12-15 21:01:00 UTC
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What's the funniest AO3 tag you've seen? Mine would have to be a toss-up between Holy Space Aikido and Catshpx Lesbianworld.
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HereÂ’s my top four by
on 2018-12-16 03:47:00 UTC
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“Everyone has their sassy pants on” - From “This, You Protect,” a really excellent MCU fic focused on post-Winter-Soldier Bucky, and which has since spawned multiple sequels of similar quality and subject matter.
“Sans is like HELL NO” - From a relatively unpolished (but still funny) Undertale fanfic chronicling a certain punny skeleton’s time in the PTA.
“Cinder attempts morals” - From CSMN volume three (https://archiveofourown.org/series/452845), a RWBY AU starring Cinder and her team as the protagonists.
“Come join me in the trash” - From “That Would Be Enough,” a reader insert in which “you” set out to discover who made the CORE and why no one seems to remember their name. -
I've got a few to start out with... by
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From a brief search, I've found the following:
"'why is this a pokemon au' you might ask"
"all the horcruxes are alphas" (in a fic shipping Horcruxes with Harry)
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no plot we die like fluffy men by
on 2018-12-18 02:44:00 UTC
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How does that happen?
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Wat. by
on 2018-12-16 00:42:00 UTC
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I'm going to regret asking, but how do you ship Horcruxes with anyone? Barring two exceptions, the are inanimate objects. o.o
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Come now, be creative. by
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-The Diary - obvious.
-Nagini - also obvious, plus Fantastic Beasts tells us she has a human form.
-The Locket - talks to Ron and presents visions to him. Easy.
-The Ring - houses the Resurrection Stone, which can bring people back in a similar fashion to the Diary, as 'memory made nearly solid'.
-The Diadem - is supposed to enhance the wisdom of the wearer. Shades of the Archchancellor's Hat here - maybe it just straight-up talks?
-The Cup - the Wiki speculates that it might have magic food-transporting powers, and I'm oddly taken with the idea of it attempting to flirt by just randomly giving Harry purportedly erotic or aphrodisiac foodstuffs - possibly very badly. "Oysters in whipped cream? What am I supposed to do with THAT?"
And if we count Harry as a Horcrux, then... he's Harry Potter.
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This is gonna be the fic that Dok's harem missioned, innit. (nm) by
on 2018-12-18 10:41:00 UTC
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... Dok's harem? I know I'm missing something, there. (nm by
on 2018-12-18 13:39:00 UTC
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I'm starting to get worried. by
on 2018-12-18 12:01:00 UTC
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Every time you reply to me, I want to respond simply with 'o.O'.
...
Wait, sorry, did I say 'starting'? ^_~
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Cargo Shipping has existed for ages, for good or ill. =P by
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I say, knowing nothing of the particulars of this case.
It's still very much a category, though.
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I was kinda hoping for anthropomorphic Horcruxes. (nm) by
on 2018-12-17 00:41:00 UTC
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*fingers poised over keyboard* 8D (nm) by
on 2018-12-17 14:23:00 UTC
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What's this? What's this? A mission out of the blue!? by
on 2018-12-16 20:56:00 UTC
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What's this? Matt has nothing to do!?
What's this?
I can't believe my eyes
I must be dreaming
Wake up, guys, it's been two years
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Re: mission by
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Let's see. I like how you show that Hip and Hop grate on each other during down time and start to bicker, but then become a more cohesive team when they have a mission to complete. I also like how you made Hip stand as a contrast to Aeron. She starts out attacking and threatening her partner just before a scheduled medication to rein in her Sue nature, showing how a relatively minor, reformed Sue's attitude can affect those around her. Then, during the mission, we see how a fully blown, no-holds-barred Sue can distort everything around her. Hip getting embarrassed when reminded of her past shows the difference in level of actual personality between the two characters, and why someone like Hip can be recruited, and someone like Aeron needs to be assassinated.
One minor technical criticism: you didn't show the Voldemort replacement getting charged. Any assassination needs to be charged, even if they weren't a proper Sue in-story. I know it's a bit rote at this point, but it is one of Da Rules Jay and Acacia established, so.
And here are some basic typos:
"Her mask was now slightly crooked and the pointy hood of her robe was blew away."
"Blew" is the plain past tense form. With "was" at the front, the verb becomes "was blown."
"She walked up to the Replacement, grabbed him by the neck, lifted in the air, and raged at him for be ballsy enough to demand anything from her . . ."
1. "Lifted in the air" still needs an object for the verb "lifted." It should be "lifted him in the air"
2. Mmmmm I kind of forget the grammar rule on this one, but it should be "for being ballsy."
"The portal opened in the Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows the movie . . ."
The "the"s are redundant here. I would personally keep the first one, but the sentence still works either way.
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Nicely Done! by
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That fic though... I don't... what?!
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That fic... by
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was one of the worst I've seen. I'm impressed you actually managed to read enough to spork it!
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=D by
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Awww! Something cute, and then funny. Perfect for the season!
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Nice by
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That might be the funniest 'sue I've every seen. Anyone can write a bland or uninteresting main character, but that one was impressively weird. I'm not convinced this isn't a trollfic.
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Boarders According to Willis (Humor + Game-ish) by
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Apologies for posting two posts in such quick succession, but anyway, here we go.
Cue music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2GZzhWEdaw
So, how this happened is the following: Thanksgiving Break happened to fall between the time I let Willis know I wanted to recruit him and the time he actually joined. His family went on a camping trip during that time, and so he (being unable to fall asleep in vehicles) texted me on the first Friday evening that he was tired and bored and wanted something to do. I had the genius idea of this activity to help him feel a bit less scared of posting to the "big scary Board": I'd describe to him what various other Boarders were like and he'd attempt to guess what they looked like. Sort of like the inverse of those reaction videos on YouTube where the kid shows their relative the characters from their favorite fandom and the relative has to describe their personalities.
Because of Willis being tired and because of the inherent lack of correlation between appearance and personality in the real world, the results were humorous. Here they are, in picture format:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ACiiQLSz8m5N6xFzD4SIwTC7GzWisuo9/view
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For those who can't see the image or were wondering what the original descriptions were, here they are:
Huinesoron: "Blazer and a thin mustache and soul patch. Fairly short styled back brown hair and blue dress pants with a plain colored shirt under the blazer."
Neshomeh: "She has glasses, hair loose in the front but In a bun in the back, stripe sweater, and a deathly Hallows necklace"
Thoth: "a little pudgy, with nerdy t shirts, medium length hair, wears jeans and old sneakers. trying and failing to grow a beard"
Delta Juliette: "pasty, skinny, long hair in a braid, stripe shirts, jeans, several bracelets"
Snowblaze: "pale skin and hair, green eyes, black jeans, longish hair"
Kaitlyn: "wears sweater with designs, glasses, blonde shoulder length hair, skirt"
Four Moons Watching: "shirt with sans on it, ripped jeans, medium length hair held back by a rainbow on it, and colorful shoes"
Iximaz: "faded jeans, pastel colored shirts, fingerless gloves, sports sunglasses"
Doctorlit: "wears dress shirt, loose6 tie, gray dress pants, short combed back hair, clean shaven"
And finally ("This is where I got lazy." -Willis):
Snowy: *He sent me a picture of the time our crazy IRL friend, who may or may not be joining soon, put makeup on him. I've given up on trying to extract any meaning from that.*
Cringe-Factoryy: *He sent me a picture of me. That can only mean one thing: I was projecting a bit in my description. Whoops.* "you but shorter and less beautiful"
61516: "like me but better dressed and with better posture"
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Now it's your turn!
- Who do you think Willis guessed most accurately? Who was his least accurate guess? (My personal votes are Thoth or Ix and Moon Moon, respectively.)
- To those depicted, how did you react to these guesses?
- Finally, based on what you know about him so far, what would you guess Willis looks like? If you missed the two times I described myself, what would you guess I look like? (Don't cheat by finding those descriptions!)
Reply to this post with your votes, reactions, and guesses (preferably in picture format - use an avatar maker if you can't draw). Have fun!
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...okay, what the shpx did you even *tell* him about me. by
on 2018-12-21 03:33:00 UTC
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I don't own any of those clothes and you FORGOT MY TATTOO.
Alright, pretending to be angry over, let's talk what I actually look like.
I'm pale, brown-haired (you got my hair length about right, actually), and have glasses. I tend to wear a lot of dark-colored (but rarely black) t-shirts, and if I'm in long sleeves I'll always roll up the left one so it doesn't cover my tattoo. I wear jeans a lot but don't have any ripped ones. I'm fond of dresses but the lack of pockets isn't usually worth it. I keep my hair down 99% of the time but usually have a chaplet or hat over it. I'm almost always wearing a pair of battered blue canvas slip-on shoes, and lots of necklaces. As of right now I wear four or five: a string of bluelace agate chips, a pentacle and crescent on a silver chain, a loop of knotted yarn that I use as prayer beads, and a wooden Fibonacci spiral and craft beads on a black cord, and at certain times a choker made of red embroidery string. I tuck the yarn and wooden pendant into my shirt and leave the agate, pentacle, and choker out. I'm fond of shawls and will even wear lightweight ones in the summer, but have lately begun wearing sweaters more often. As of right now I also wear a blue-gray scarf embroidered with beads on the ends, draped as a stole, for mourning.
As for what Willis looks like, I have no shpxing clue.
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What I told him: by
on 2018-12-21 21:31:00 UTC
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- Writes a lot of femslash
- Because she is lesbian
- Is a big fan of Undertale and sends me memes of it
- Writes her own original stuff
- Is Pagan
- But used to literally worship the Pathfinder deities (sorry if that was embarrassing info, luckily I don't think it'll have much of an impact in the long run).
-Twistey
- Writes a lot of femslash
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Now I want to know what you said about me... (nm) by
on 2018-12-21 22:20:00 UTC
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Not much. by
on 2018-12-25 23:14:00 UTC
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Your interest in conspiracy theories and your status (alongside me and a few others) as one of Those Who Often Reply To/Create Posts That Get No Attention Otherwise.
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It's Willis's birthday! Hap birf, my love! by
on 2018-12-19 14:43:00 UTC
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Thanks for paying attention to what now seems to be his virtual present.
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Happy birthday, Willis! (nm) by
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My salutations go to Willis. (nm) by
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Wait what me? by
on 2018-12-18 11:33:00 UTC
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Little bit spooked that anyone on here even remembers I exist. Most days *I'm* not wholly confident I exist. But! I am both amused and humbled at the dedication you've shown to this thought experiment.
(Black hair, plain t-shirts in sombre colours, and dark jeans. Sort of grumpy-librarian-on-her-day-off. It's also a pretty good bet I'm wearing gloves or wristwarmers anytime between September and May.
(But I cannot deny that I wore a lot of sweaters with designs when I was a teenager . . . I didn't buy my own clothes . . .)
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Of course you exist! by
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Among the descriptors I provided of you were that you are very invested in the Shipfest, especially the femslash aspect of it, and therefore part of the reason why I'm looking forward to Willis and I's first Shipfest together! (The other part is that Willis, thanks to the aforementioned incident with the makeup, acquired an interest in drag and will almost definitely be fine with being genderbent in shipfics.)
You're also half of the most well-known canon Boarder couple. So yeah.
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Heh. Some right, some wrong! by
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The overall theme seems to be that I'm a few increments more butch than Willis guessed: jeans, (short-sleeved) t-shirt, and plaid flannel are normal wear, my hair's basically still in a thirteenth-doctor bob, and my wrists are undecorated. Skinny is right, pasty is wrong, although not through any effort on my part - I tan super easily.
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Oh goodness. This is perfect. XÂ’D (nm) by
on 2018-12-17 23:08:00 UTC
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My main problem... by
on 2018-12-18 09:55:00 UTC
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... is that on the one hand, I'm pretty sure this is actually Crowley and Aziraphale after a bizarre incident left 'Zira as a woman.
But on the other hand, Twistey's drawings quite clearly show that you are Crowley. So does that mean you're sneakily trying to replace me?
... omuguh. I just noticed she's drawn you right next to Azirakaitlyn.
And facing her.
And making... whatever that gesture is at her.
... dangit if I could get out of this chair it would be time for a Crowley-off.
(Meanwhile, in between, Delta is disco dancing, and I'm pretty sure Nesh's line is 'according to my research...')
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Waitwhatme? by
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I swear I'm not trying to steal your job! I swear!
*looks around shiftily, puts on sunglasses*
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LMBOOOOOOOOOO by
on 2018-12-18 16:46:00 UTC
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(I say "LMBO" standing for "laughing my butt off".)
Please continue overanalyzing my drawing! I love how this is going! X'D
And Iximaz is doing... I don't know what to call that. It's like a finger gun minus one finger. Kind of an "eyyyy I'm cool" type of gesture. I did not intend for Delta Juliette's pose to be interpreted as disco dancing :P Long story short: I should draw more of this! Maybe some joke comics or something.
Now I'm curious, what are your guesses about Willis? I'm sure that they'll be rather humorous.
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Do the worm! (nm) by
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BA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA by
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Oh my, no! My clothes only look like that when I'm at a funeral or wedding! I do prefer collared shirts, but I'm all about the short sleeves and shorts, even in winter. The chill feels good
and shorts are comfy and easy to wear. I also prefer flip-flops when I'm not at work, also even in winter. (Do not listen to Larfen. They are called flip-flops, not thongs.)
As for hair, I definitely don't comb mine; I barely have time on weekdays as it is to shave and get dressed. My technical, official, default haircut is a #2 length buzz cut, but because I hate actually spending time on my appearance, I let it grow out as long as I can until it starts bothering my ears. I think I cut my hair four or fives times a year? I've never really though to keep track. But I definitely never comb it, no matter how long it gets. I do keep clean-shaved though, because facial hair is disgusting and I wish it would stop.
What else is in that picture? A belt. I don't wear belts, I wear shorts that actually fit me. I've never understood belts much. And then, that briefcase. Heh. I bring my work lunch in a good, old cheap Walmart backpack. The only briefcase I own is the one I keep my Magic: the Gathering decks in, which doesn't really see use any more.
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You were... quite far out with me. by
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I can definitely see where you’re coming from and if I actually looked like my name suggests you’d be right.
Unfortunately, I definitely don’t! You got my hair and eye colour wrong. My hair isn’t as long as you said it was, either, and while my skin is pale it’s not *that* pale. I don’t have a pair of black jeans, although they’re not too far outside my style.
No guesses for the others because I don’t know what any of you look like IRL so I can’t have any hope of being accurate. -
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Well, apparently I resemble my personality. Wouldn't be the first time a PPCer told me I look or sound like they expected me to. It's even funnier because I actually am wearing a striped sweater this very day. I also own a Time Turner necklace, so even the Deathly Hallows guess is in the right ballpark. Here's proof in poorly lit bathroom selfie form.
My default necklace is a dragon perched on a green glass stone, though. {= )
For the rest, Kaitlyn's not too wrong except for the hair, I think, and Ix sounds pretty good except for the accessories (though I may be wrong!). I can tell you that the guesses for hS and doc are way off. ^_^
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Also, Willis. by
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My guess based on pretty much nothing besides the name Willis: blond, kinda moppish hair; glasses; trying to start growing facial hair but it's not really working yet; sleepy and slightly confused and wearing a hoodie while camping. Image here, courtesy of Rinmaru Games' Mega Anime Avatar Creator.
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I forgot to send you this, since you attempted a guess... by
on 2018-12-28 00:41:00 UTC
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Doodle I drew of Willis and I together. I was having trouble drawing legs that day, so that's why they aren't there.
You know what I look like, but Willis actually has red hair. The "kinda moppish hair", "wearing a hoodie" and "camping" bits were accurate, though.
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You want sunglasses? I'll give you sunglasses. by
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Have a several months out-of-date selfie with my sunglasses.
And as it so happens, I do actually have a pair of fingerless gloves that I use when I'm stuck in the wheelchair, but they don't get much use, thankfully. No pastel shirts for me, though; the lightest color shirt I own is a dark grey. The vast majority of them are black. :P
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Which necklace? by
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The dragon one came from the Pyramid Collection catalogue many years ago. A quick look suggests they don't carry it anymore, but they DO have a couple other nifty dragon pendants, and lots more cool stuff besides.
The Time Turner is something Phobos found at a small con in Michigan. I don't know who the vendor was, unfortunately.
... I think I may have been thinking of Agent Rina with the jeans.
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I did mean the dragon one. :) by
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Thanks for letting me know!
And heh, probably. Rina was me when I was sixteen, and teenage me did wear a lot of faded jeans. I prefer dark wash now, though.also my hair is starting to get shaggy again. I need to cut it soon... -
I vote Nesh for most accurate. by
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With Delta as a close second.
The idea of hS with a soul patch will never leave my mind now, though. XD
I do have some very nice sunglasses that I carry around in my pocket that I can whip out if things get too bright, but my default is actually dark wash jeans and black graphic tees. :P -
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Heheeee by
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I shouldn't have described my hair as "medium length"—it's way too long! I look like a surfer. Or Tedd from EGS. XD
No, my vote for "most accurate" goes to Neshomeh. Although she is free to contradict me.
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The Sue-Arena is now open for use. by
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Set in the Cringe Factory, you can open a portal to it.
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Hah! A Sue arena, you say? by
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Right now, I happen to be developing a fighter game with pretty much the exact same premise! (Only difference is that my arena is also run by a Sue, and it's secretly training the Sues to overthrow the "plot cops", or writing critics.)
Which begs the question, do you want to help me create some of the characters? And/or can I take my Sues from said game for a quasi-test run in here?
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2) Sure.
1)... create characters for your game? Sure.
(As it happens, I created a NaNoWriMo in... let’s see... third grade? Fourth grade? I don’t know, but the main characters, three triplets, were Sues. Since the nightmare has been deleted, I don’t remember their names, but I dinstinctly remember DNAs of several different dragons, mythical creatures (ice phoenix, which is kind of a contradiction), and shape shifting abilities, which made absolutely no sense whatsoever. Also... wangst. Like... a lot of wangst. And bad prose, but the grammar was good.) -
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1) Well, not really, I already have enough character ideas for the first version of the game. I just need folks to help me flesh them out.
2. I'll post my most finished Sues for the game into the thread.
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Very long post: Wait, I just remembered that I made a copy. by
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Okay, so their names are Evie, Crystal, and Sylvia (my favorite is Evie already), and apparently Evie and Sylvia are twins while Crystal is a year older.
Wait no Evie stands for Evyline. Just... what.
Oh they’re nine and eight. That... slightly improves their personalities for me?
Okay they have a name an lion named Nemo, a winged snake named Acid and a fire-breathing snake named Ashy.
They have wings,
They don’t have phoenix DNA, I lied. But they have fairy DNA, shapeshifter DNA, and 50% “fairy and faerie” DNA, because apparently those are different? Also the DNA... was... injected into them... which just... what Why.
Okay so in addition to having Cute Animal Friends they have sapient dragons named Pythia, Singer and Windwing and I’m pretty sure I intend Singer to be pronounce “Singe-er” because he’s a fire dragon.
Okay so they “bonded” with the dragons and their hair and eye colors changed? Like what.
Evie has heterochromia iridium with purple and black and I don’t think it’s even been one page.and her hair is black. With purple streaks.
Wow bad humor.
Okay so the dragons had a plan to escape but they waited until the Sues arrived to execute it.
I f***ing called them “Dragonspeakers”.
Okay so only tiny lapses in grammar thank god.
Okay so the “Evil Ones”’ general just went “Why must I do everything myself?” and tbh I kind of like him. Also, I just said tbh.
Freaking magic.
Wow they find an extinct species.
Okay I should probably stop.
Let’s rescue the “dimension dragon”. It (gender N/A) can make portals.
Hold on, apparently all humans are “Evil Ones” except for a select few.
Wow their dad just betrayed his whole species for them what is this witchcraftery
They’re suffocating the “leader”as leverage. These are 13-14 year olds. What the heck? I’m going to assume the leader’s the general. Again... can I recruit him?
The dragons... are Sues. The dragons are Sues.
I made the dragons Sues/Stus.
So this is a short story collection and only 7 stories are actually about these guys.
All the characters are either stupid or Sues/Stus.
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Things I forgot to mention. by
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On C-Fy: there is no fourth wall with C-Fy. Also, she counts her age by how long her character design has existed.
Please post a reply with the Sue name, badfic name, badfic link, Sue personality, and anything else you deem necessary before writing them in.
Also, stay out of the CRs (cringe rooms).
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Ironically enough, the most developed Sue I have in the game by
on 2018-12-21 21:38:00 UTC
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...is also the one I created literally yesterday.
Name: Silentheart (born Luna Howling, but she renounced her birth name when she ran away.)
Origin: Sue VS Sue, a WIP fighter game about Suvians. When it's out, you'll find it on my Newgrounds page: escapistproductions.newgrounds.com.
Personality: Silentheart is basically a Princess Mononoke wannabe. She is a wolf-girl who hates humans for no reason other than that human society doesn't accept her exactly as she is. She also believes that the world would be better if everyone just stopped using advanced technology and got back to nature yada yada. Or if humans all just died. Depends on her mood.
Backstory and Skills: She ran away from her human parents at the age of 10 to find her "real family", or whichever wolf pack gave her her wolfness. They taught her hunting, fighting, magic, and spiritual truth. She carries a bow and arrow and a couple knives, but can also cast nature magic (kinda like D&D druids). She is also athletic and knows how to survive.
I'll send more Sues to you when I finish them!
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How do we get in? by
on 2018-12-18 02:45:00 UTC
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Is there a door or do we wait for the transporter to pick us up? (Asking for a link)
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Sue-lebrity Deathmatch? by
on 2018-12-18 01:01:00 UTC
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If it is what I think, beam me up Scotty!
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Putting out some beta feelers! by
on 2018-12-19 21:53:00 UTC
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I have a Ten Years Hence interlude, written mostly during NaNoWriMo. It's roughly 2,600 words, about 7 pages, and stars Jacques Bonnefoy and a badfic rescue (that is, Cai, who at this point will definitely be rescued from Partially Kissed Hero). Basically, a mostly fluffy kidfic kind of thing.
I'm looking for a couple of betas who are really good with wording and maybe characterization as well. The SPaG is probably fine, though if you can take a look at that too, it's always good to have another pair of eyes there.
Anyone interested and available? :)
~Z -
Put me in, coach! by
on 2018-12-20 23:42:00 UTC
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Been forever since I've said that. =] -
Will do! Remind me which email? (nm) by
on 2018-12-20 23:45:00 UTC
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cassieheathakascapegrace at g mail dot com (nm) by
on 2018-12-21 16:07:00 UTC
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Shared :) (nm) by
on 2018-12-21 17:00:00 UTC
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You know you never have to ask, Chief. :) (nm) by
on 2018-12-20 16:07:00 UTC
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