Other then thinking it's "Pretty good." It is quite long...and about ponies playing...basically any table top game, ever. http://www.fimfiction.net/story/287205/1/ponies-and-dragons-just-have-fun/session-1
Now I don't want to spoil what comes next, but for anybody that has played ye ol' Dungeons and Dragons, and Pathfinder, will know that only chaos and funny moments await.
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So I found this fanfic. by
on 2016-07-21 15:31:00 UTC
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I am not dead! (Yet) by
on 2016-07-22 03:49:00 UTC
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Maybe this time I'lm stick around for more than a few days because I have no school and things for about a month more and this has gone on far too long why am I still typing help
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I swear I replied to this post on Thursday... by
on 2016-07-23 19:53:00 UTC
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Anyway, welcome back! Have a box of colored pencils!
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Yosher! Hey there, buddy! :D (nm) by
on 2016-07-22 21:29:00 UTC
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Amusingly enough... by
on 2016-07-23 13:12:00 UTC
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יושר yosher means "honesty, integrity" in Hebrew.
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Hello newbie. *sends black-hole chocolate* (nm) by
on 2016-07-22 07:42:00 UTC
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Ouf, it was short enough to pass. Well, I hope you'll enjoy the stay, and that it will last for a moment. And that you won't end up dead soon.
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Whoops, misclick between this and returnbie. (nm) by
on 2016-07-22 07:43:00 UTC
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Welcome back! *sends help* (nm) by
on 2016-07-22 06:55:00 UTC
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Orange yoshis truly are the best yoshis. And there're 99 of them, too!
Welcome back!
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Welcome back! *chucks salad* (nm) by
on 2016-07-22 06:07:00 UTC
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I'm following the pattern! Don't break it. If you figure out what I did there, you get a cookie. What the heck, you get a cookie for the fun of it.
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Welcome back! *tosses Spikes* (nm) by
on 2016-07-22 04:19:00 UTC
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Welcome back! *passes SPaGhetti* (nm) by
on 2016-07-22 03:58:00 UTC
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Disguise generator overpowered? by
on 2016-07-22 15:33:00 UTC
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It seems like it is possible to just use the disguise generator to fix any physical maladies that you have. Too fat to run? Just give yourself a better body. Vampire that can't stand sunlight? Make yourself human. Don't have thumbs? No problem. Only have one eye? I've seen someone get fixed by their disguise.
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One more aspect by
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The Disguise Generator, to my understanding as someone who's never written a story, is meant to serve one purpose: To make the mission work with established canon, thus protecting the people using it.
Example: Jay and Acacia mostly used Uruk-hai disguises in the Original Series because they could believably kill Fellowship members in-story where members of other races most likely wouldn't.
The Disguise Generator is not meant to grant crazy-overpowered abilities (although it can). It's not meant to experiment with a new body (although that's a fun aspect of writing it). Its purpose is to make the mission work with canon and not attract attention: That is, to disguise the Agents in question. -
Very good point! by
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I know we've generally moved away from the Uruk-hai, reasonable enemy kill-style of disguise, but there's no denying that part of Jay and Acacia's early creation of the generator was to fit in with the theme of canon compliance. OCs enter a world, and are loud and attention-grabbing and put themselves before the world. Agents enter missions to put the world before themselves, and are quiet and try to keep out of the way until they absolutely can't anymore.
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Well... by
on 2016-07-23 14:38:00 UTC
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I admit that I'm somewhat guilty of exploiting the DORKS. Valon disguised himself as a Dalek once.
The key thing is, what Valon relies on is his wits. And just because he's been given a stronger body doesn't necessarily mean he'll be any better at fighting; even if he were disguised as, I don't know, an Ork, his aim wouldn't be any better and he'd still be really clumsy with a weapon.
He prefers to leave the actual combat (when it's necessary) to Kala, and relies on trickery and guile to deal with his problems.
And the DORKS can actually be part of that. In the mission I mentioned, Valon disguises himself as a Dalek not to fight, but to get the attention of a whole bunch of fake Daleks and lure them into a trap. Instead of using the DORKS as a blunt instrument of pain, he uses it to augment his trickery. -
Given how well the Orks shoot... by
on 2016-07-23 15:14:00 UTC
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I can assure you Valon will always be a better shooter than any Ork around him. Period.
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I wouldn't say so, personally. by
on 2016-07-23 00:09:00 UTC
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The decision of what disguise to use, or even to use one at all, can serve many roles in a mission. They can reveal an agent's opinions on the culture(s) they're about to enter, or even whole aspects of their personality they couldn't express in their regular body. (Hemlock, anyone?) Following from this, it allows the chance for discussion, or even outright disagreement, between the partners, which can potentially feed into a plot throughout the mission.
But best of all, locking your agents into a single disguise for the extent of the mission places a restriction on you as the writer. As Mark Rosewater says, restrictions breed creativity, forcing you to come up with clever solutions to any unseen problems the disguise leads to. Especially in crossovers: do you pick something that appears in both worlds, but may not be optimal in either? Something unique to only one of the worlds, and force the agents to be extra cautious in the other?
Now the DORKS? Yeah, I do consider that overpowered. It pretty much removes all the narrative strengths above by giving the agents a free, easy solution to any disguise related problem. That's why I chose long ago never to give my agents one. In fact, I'm going to start having my agents collect a set of costumes they can use when only their fashion needs to change. More restrictions! More creativity!
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Huh, interesting. by
on 2016-07-23 13:10:00 UTC
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It makes me want to have my agents lose their DORKS and not bother to get another one.
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Re: Disguise generator overpowered? by
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I think what DCCCV said is certainly part of it. Yes, the Disguise Generator can certainly be overpowered - but, since we're the ones writing the stories, we have the responsibility to avoid that. Very similar, in fact, to the TARDIS. Doctor Who episodes that are poorly written do tend to overpower the Doctor by overpowering the TARDIS or sonic screwdriver. Or, say, giving a secondary character the power to rewrite the memory of the entire species of Daleks, making an abs-- *ahem* Er, sorry, got a bit off topic there.
Point is, almost anything can make the agents in a fic overpowered. That's why good writing is imperative - write the Disguise Generator well is part of writing a PPC team well. -
My thoughts. by
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To my knowledge, it is entirely possible to use The Disguise generator for that, but that is not the DORKS' intended purpose. You could definitely use it to keep yourself in optimal shape, and that would make for a great character flaw. Why have you brought this subject up, exactly? If you are going to be exploiting this, the DORKS may need to be changed, but if you will not be, I assume that no one else would. It's an integral part of what makes this organization The PPC, like The Pokeball to Pokemon, or the TARDIS to Doctor Who.
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exploiting. by
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Basically, I'm trying to design a character where the Marquis would look like an idiot for letting them be an agent right away.
Morbid obesity should be a reason for keeping someone out of the field.
Basically, I'm looking for something that can be overcome.
That, or the Marquis could just say no because of some intangible reason.
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What? by
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...OK why? I mean, first off, Agent isn't the only job there is, nor is it a particularly glamorous or rewarding one, let's be real. More importantly, the PPC a) has a ton of disabled Agents one way or another, and b) has a great medical program. If they're unhealthy to the point where they can't move or have cardiac problems or whatever, then Medical should be able to help, if they're healthy enough that that kind of medical intervention isn't needed then... there's really no problem. PPC doesn't care how pretty you are, as long as you can get the job done, and there's any number of ways to do that job.
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Quick note: by
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The disguise generator and the DORKS are not the same thing. The disguise generator is part of the console, and (the way I've always written it) it takes effect when the agents step through the portal. Before the invention of the DORKS, it was not possible to change your disguise once you were in the fic; you'd have to go back to your RC to do that.
The DORKS, on the other hand, is a handheld device you can take with you into the fic to switch disguises on the fly. It operates on the disguise generator back in HQ the same way the remote activator operates on the portal generator.
At least, that's always been my understanding.
Also, exploiting the devices (or not) is totally on the writer. If you wanted to write an OP agent and erase all their flaws, you could do that—and you'd be critiqued heavily for it, or ought to be.
Or you can do what I do and always have the character's physical disability manifest in their disguise, too. Derik is always blind in one eye, no matter what. The reasons and the appearance of his scars may change to be setting-appropriate, but he's still half blind, because it's part of his character and I think it would be pretty silly to give a character a physical disability just to take it away at the first opportunity.
Another note, maybe unrelated: I've never had my agents remain in disguise in HQ; the disguise always drops when they come out of the portal. That's another style choice. I know others have written it differently.
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I've always viewed... by
on 2016-07-22 16:30:00 UTC
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... the disguise generator as drawing a 1:1 correlation between body-parts. It will transform your feet into paws, or your hair into leaves, but it won't and can't transform the stump of an arm into a hand, or a missing eye into a working one. It doesn't have the material to work from, or your residual self image is too strong to let it repair you, or your morphic field won't accommodate the new part, or whatever other techmagbabble you come up with.
This is supported by Acacia's experience with the arrow, and also by I-think-it's-better-that-way. It's probably contradicted by someone being burnt down to a disembodied brain but restored through a disguise somewhere, but luckily we're only loosely sharing a canon, so I can ignore that. ^_^
(It also explains why regeneration locks you in your new body: it scrambles your cells, meaning if you changed back, you'd probably be a bucket of goo. The disguise generator won't change you back if you'd die on changing - that's bad for business.)
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Actually, on the subject of Time Lords and disguises... by
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I've been meaning to ask this for a while. What would happen if a Time Lord got shot while disguised as a human or similar non-regenerating species?
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Death? I imagine it would come as a surprise. by
on 2016-07-23 08:36:00 UTC
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Given the precedent of the TV movie, they could probably still regenerate if their partner got them back to HQ and out of disguise before too long. They'd probably have the same amnesia Eight did, though.
Alternately: regeneration is an intrinsic property of them, rather like Selene's vampirism. If they set the disguise up correctly, they would regenerate as normal. They might find side-effects, such as their regeneration sharing traits with their disguise instead of their normal body (such as species), or a change in the number of regenerations left, or finding their entire new personality informed solely by what happened while wearing the disguise...
Basically, the answer is the same as always: whatever's funniest. ;)
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When Bramandin was talking about the regenerating an eye, by
on 2016-07-22 18:57:00 UTC
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I believe it was from the sporking of The Rainbow Factory. It may have been a one off thing, however.
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The DORKS isn't actually the Disguise Generator. by
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The Disguise Generator is built into the console. The DORKS is a portable and oft-malfunctioning version.
hS, walking encyclopaedia
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Beta call! by
on 2016-07-22 20:59:00 UTC
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Alright. I've got this mission in Puella Magi Madoka, and I need any people... brave enough to beta-read it. As always, I'll take any suggestion, be it about SpaG, flow, characterizatopn, anything. Just be warned it's, in my opinion, somewhere between NSFW, and NSFB. and that spoilers about the series can happen.
Candidates can contact me here, on the chat, or click my name for sending me a mail. Do this the way you prefer. -
E-mail is clickable, too. :) (nm) by
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I send you the link. (nm) by
on 2016-07-23 06:00:00 UTC
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I'm up for it if no one else is up; email is clickable (nm) by
on 2016-07-22 22:04:00 UTC
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Link sent. (nm) by
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Had this discussion about a badfic I claimed by
on 2016-07-23 02:00:00 UTC
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I was playing Terraria with a few friends and one of them started a discussion about Harry Potter ripoffs. It quickly turned to badfic, and I linked the PvZ fic I claimed to them. The resulting outburst was gold.
http://imgur.com/a/Vqwt3
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It's not a discussion about the badfic itself, per se, since one of the guys in the Discord provides a HUGE archive of badfic he's found over time.
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Fantastic Beasts d-d-d-d-drop the trailer! by
on 2016-07-24 00:03:00 UTC
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Thank you, SDCC, for bringing us something new! The trailer is fresh outta oven so let's dissect it!
But we need to watch it first... HERE
Let the analysis BEGIN!
[0:02] We open up with an investigator (from the way they talk I assume he's aMuggleNo-Maj?) talking about something that escaped. Something that was "like a ghost". We also see Percival Graves, the faithful hound of Supreme Leader Picquery, on the scene.
Since, most likely, the most dangerous of Newt's creatures "dove underground" and now it tearing through New York like it's nothing, this is probably not a Sasquatch, as I've previously assumed (although it is still confirmed to appear in the first film; played by Jason Newell).
[0:31] We heard President Pickles talking about "strange things" happening around New York, and we see future Mrs. Scamander, probably when she was still an Auror for the MACUSA.
[0:36] A House Elf...spinning cotton... Umm... Can I...not comment on that?
[0:38] We see the MACUSA Court at what I assume to be a full assembly. Maybe Newt's trial will commence shortly?
[0:41] This is Tina...knocking at a painting? This may be just stereotypes, but the red hair and green eyes (?) make me instantly think of Ireland, so I assume that's Isolt Sayre, founder of Ilvermorny? The school supposedly plays part in the film.
[0:43] Wizard mobster playing poker in an illegal brewery? Previous trailer showed us a fight scene there.
]0:54] The first creature escapes the case and attacks Jacob Kowalski. I have absolutely no idea what this is. After slowing the video down, it resembles some kinda pig (even screeches like one), but smaller with thick shaggy coat of fur? My best guess would be a Nogtail?
[01:06] Hunt continues to a forest, with something lurking below.
[01:10] A Billywig chillin' in the middle of New York.
[01:13] Now what is THIS?! It has a serpentine body, and a beak. It's not a basilisk, that's for sure, and it doesn't look like a dragon... but this may be a cockatrice - like the one from the 1792 Triwizard Tournament. But I don't know if this is also not our "main" creature that spreads chaos.
[01:18] We have what I assume is a female House Elf, dressed like a show girl, in a speakeasy. Also, the smoke clouds look like Billywigs.
[01:20] And this is Gnarlack, the owner of aforementioned fine establishment.
[01:30] Huh... Looks like President Pickles actually cares for her Wizarding community...either that, or she wants to keep peace at any cost. Also, to any of my American friends, what does this looks like to you? Does she want to contain the magical beasts? Or contain the No-Majes from interfering?
[01:43] THAT is an albino...griffin? Doesn't look like a hippogriff to me.
[01:45] A Swooping Evil returns to its...cocoon? after being unleashed in the previous trailer.
[01:35] That is definitely a demiguise running through something that looks like a Christmas display?
At [01:56] we see something either exploding, or Apparating/Disapparating... I assume this to be the most dangerous creature, but more on that below.
We see the lights going off and...
And the climax of the trailer. At [02:07] we see the same swirling mess of smoke and destruction, tearing through New York like hot knife through butter. As mentioned at the beginning, it does look like a ghost. THIS is what I assume to be the most dangerous of Newt's creatures. But what is it...? Well, there's one more creature confirmed to appear in the first film:
The Lethifold - a "cousin" of the Dementors. I may be completely wrong, and the thing that destroys New York may be something completely different, but as Lethifold was confirmed to appear, with its rank of XXXXX, it's the most lethal creature in the entire film.
Now it's time for you, folks. Questions, comments, theories? LET THE DEBATE BEGIN! (hS, I'm counting on your sharp mind!) -
Harry Potter question (Deathly Hallows) by
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So I've just read, for the very first time, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.
[Pause for screaming]
Actually, I've just read for the very first time everything from Goblet of Fire onwards, but that's-
[More screaming]
-BUT THAT'S not relevant. It's DH that I have a question about.
Is there any consensus as to who or what the 'wretched creature' hanging out in Ghostly King's Cross was? Dumbledore refuses to say (except that it's pointless to waste pity on or try to help). I wondered if it was Voldemort, but a) he's still alive (though maybe unconscious), and b) Dumbledore is clear that the Horcrux-fragments are 'destroyed', not just dead.
So then I wondered if it could be Grindelwald? They do talk about him a fair bit, he has only recently died, and he and Dumbledore have A History, so it would explain why Albus was hanging out with him.
Or is it someone or something else? I can't really think of anything that would fit (the spirit of the first owner of the Elder Wand?), but...
hS
PS: Oh, but this version of Deathly Hallows has the best ending. The much-debated epilogue ends at the bottom of the front side of the very last page. I turn it over, and see, printed large on the inside back cover itself, JKR standing by her desk with a smirk on her face that seems to say, "Yep, I just did that. Nope, you can't argue it away. Yep, it's canon now."
I tried to find a copy of the picture online, but honestly, she always smirks like that. Look at all the pictures!
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*jaw drop* *screaming* by
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*more screaming*
About time! :D
*cough*
Word of Rowling says that the thing is what's left of Voldemort's soul that had latched onto Harry.
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Apparently there is still no consensus? by
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Do you disagree with the source you quote or does "that had latched onto Harry" not mean what I think it means?
Connected through the blood that Voldemort used in his revival in GF, Harry and Voldemort share a near-death experience in a place that Harry visualizes as King’s Cross station. What Harry sees there is the last piece of Voldemort’s soul that still resided in Voldemort’s body; Harrycrux is already destroyed like all the other Horcruxes except Naginicrux.
Voldemort faces a fate truely worse than death there. His maimed soul, being totally immobile left to its own devices, could neither move on (how would it board the train?) nor turn its back to the next great adventure and return as a ghost. That’s what Harry refers to when he, during the final battle, asks Voldemort to repent and mend his soul.
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Aaaaand there she is. ^_^ by
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I knew you'd be round soon.
So it's... let's see, one of the two pieces of Voldemort's soul that still exists - the bit that's in his own body ("When Voldemort attacks Harry, they both fall temporarily unconscious, and both their souls – Harry’s undamaged and healthy, Voldemort’s stunted and maimed – appear in the limbo" - ie, it's Voldemort-proper, not the bit stuck in Harry). The one inside Harry is kablooied by that point, but there's still a chunk stuck in Nagini.
But... if that's the case, why didn't Voldemort realise Harry wasn't dead? If they were both in limbo, where Harry could hear Voldemort's whimpering, why didn't Voldemort hear Harry's chat with Dumbledore? Is it because, with Nagini still alive, he couldn't actually die, and so wasn't properly 'in' limbo?
And... why does Dumbledore say Harry can't help it and shouldn't pity it, when offering redemption to Tom Riddle is part of Harry's end-game plan? Setting Harry up to not be disappointed by failure, or what?
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Answers? by
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Why didn't Voldemort realise Harry wasn't dead?
Maybe this baby-like creature is even more helpless than a newborn, unable to see, hear and comprehend what’s going on? Voldemort may not even remember the experience.
Concerning Dumbledore, I guess he is not really there. It’s all in Harry’s head (but based on reality), and Harry tries to do what he is used to do near the end of every book except HBP. But since Dumbledore is only imagined, he can’t actually tell Harry anything Harry can’t figure out on his own. Harry may still get things wrong and change his mind later.- Most obviously, Harry is not yet aware that Dumbledore hadn’t planned to make Snape the new Master of the Elder Wand; he realizes only later that dying undefeated so that nobody can become the wands new master would be the best plan and is probably what Dumbledore intended.
- Harry is not ready to admit that the golden spell that saved him from Voldemort on the flight from 4 PD was Voldemort’s soul piece using Voldemort’s magic imbued in Harry’s wand to protect itself. (That’s only my theory, afaik never confirmed by JKR.)
- His view of Dumbledore tainted by Rita Skeeter’s poison, Harry may believe that Dumbledore wouldn’t try to redeem Voldemort, but being Harry, he has to do it anyway.
And since it’s all in Harry’s head, Voldemort’s experience in his head may actually have been different.
HG - Most obviously, Harry is not yet aware that Dumbledore hadn’t planned to make Snape the new Master of the Elder Wand; he realizes only later that dying undefeated so that nobody can become the wands new master would be the best plan and is probably what Dumbledore intended.
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And... um, well, to answer those other perfectly valid questions, I, um, ah...
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Completely random thought. by
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Had while perusing the newspaper image:
Dragot = dragon-ingot? We know JKR likes portmanteaux (or blend words? I forget how that discussion ended), and it sounds like something wizards would come up with to me.
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Aha! Finally, new MACUSA quackery. by
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In the other trailer, there's a big shot of someone reading a newspaper. You can find it here.
The big, eye-catching WANTED poster tells of a 3500 dragot reward for the arrest of one Alberto Macellarius (aka 'The Rat'), for the crimes of 'counterfeiting wands and murder'. The text underneath seems to read:
reward ??? [number] dragots will be paid for information
leading to the arrest and conviction of this wizard. MACUSA officers
??? ??? ???? and will take care of the prosecution.
Bearing Wand and
Extremely Dangerous!
So here's what I can tell you about MACUSA from that:
-They consider wand counterfeiting to be a higher crime than murder.
-They're happy to ask the general populace to try and capture someone accused of murder.
-They're also happy to try and trick people out of their money - the reward only goes through if he's convicted. If he happens to splinch himself while Apparating down the stairs, well, tough luck.
MACUSA: looking out for YOU. As in, 'we see you when you're sleeping...'
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Will take care of the prosecution? by
on 2016-07-25 21:44:00 UTC
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Isn't it normally assumed that the government will prosecute criminals? Do any would-be bounty hunters need to usually keep a lawyer on staff to take care of lesser criminals? Or am I misunderstanding something?
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It comes off a bit... wrong. by
on 2016-07-26 09:02:00 UTC
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Every time I think about it, I come out with another way it's just a very odd thing to say.
1/ As you say, that's what the justice system is for. So why say it? It feels like a restaurant running a sign that says 'This week, all our meals are non-toxic'. Yes, and next week...?
2/ On the flip side... isn't prosecution normally the job of some kind of lawyer? This sounds like the police (Aurors?) are going to be heading straight into that job - which, given that they're biased already ('have conclusive evidence') sounds like a gross miscarriage of justice.
3/ 'Take care of'. I feel like normally this kind of sentence would use prosecute as a verb (as in, trespassers will be); here it's showing up in a phrase that sounds very much like 'we'll take care of any witnesses'. It's just... creepy-sounding.
Maybe it's just because I absolutely do not trust MACUSA, but I think this poster is really sketchy.
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Well... by
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On point 2, I don't know how it works specifically, but I'm pretty sure prosecutors work for the government as part of the justice system, right? That's how you get things like State of Whatever vs. This Guy Who Killed Some Folks. The victims don't pay the lawyers, not in criminal court.
That said, wizards are weird. I don't think real life criminal prosecutor lawyers work as a part of a police department, but it could be that Auror stations have a few lawyers on-staff and they handle the cases that the Aurors bring in, which would cause bias.
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I see it a bit differently. by
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It's definitely quackery, but putting the worst offense last makes sense to me: you save the last position in a list for the item that will make the biggest impact, the thing you most want your readers to remember.
I don't see that they asked the populace to try to capture him, either. They're just asking for information that will help MACUSA officers do it.
That said, the fact that they're only interested in information leading to Alberto's arrest and conviction is what puts my back up. The wording makes it pretty clear they don't want to hear anything that would suggest he's actually a really nice guy who spends most of his time nursing orphaned kneazle kittens and knitting doilies. They've already made up their minds that he is guilty, and he isn't getting any sort of fair trial if they catch him. Ick.
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Is that a thing? by
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I'd assume you'd put it first, because people won't read the whole thing. 'Oh, there's another goat-charmer on the loose, bo-ring'. But on the other hand, I have made fun of lists of symptoms that start from death and work down to sore throat, so maybe I'm just inconsistent. ^_^
But I do think they're asking for him to be arrested by the reader. I'm not sure, but it really looks as though the 'reward ??? [number] dragots... for information' line has a smaller number than 3500. It could be '2,300', with some sort of dragot symbol in front of it? That would clearly imply they'll pay you less if you just tell them where he is.
On looking closer, I think the final sentence reads 'MACUSA officers have conclusive evidence and will take care of the prosecution', but it could be 'are/now collecting evidence'. Which... well, the latter reading totally supports your view that they're just out to get him; the former is quite obviously code for 'we can prove he did the wand-counterfeits, so we'll hang the murder on him too - who's going to argue?'.
"Vote President Pickles for Most Popular MACUSA President of the Year!"
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Oh yeah, you're right. by
on 2016-07-26 00:06:00 UTC
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I was so focused on puzzling over the small text that I missed the big text. They're definitely offering a reward for his arrest and/or information leading to it. I think you're right that the amount for information is less, too—and yeah, looks like a symbol and 2,300 or 2,500 to me.
"... have conclusive evidence" definitely seems to fit better than "are collecting evidence." I bow to your superior observational skills.
Looking at the rest of the paper is fun, too. "Federal Bureau of Covert Vigilance and No-Maj Obliviation - Record Penalties Issued." "Threat Levels of Magical Exposure." "MACUSA on High Alert." Oh dear, they are paranoid, aren't they?
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Some read-across information from the other trailer. by
on 2016-07-25 13:46:00 UTC
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Teaser Trailer (TT)
-At TT 0:26, we see the strappy dress Female wears in the speakeasy and poster scenes.
-Around TT 0:29 we see the bank that Newt Disapparates from (I think) in the current trailer. Maybe that's the big columny building? It has a small front door that looks out into an open space, so it could fit. That might mean Newt's worried look while standing in line (TT 0:31) is a reaction to the Thunderbird outside.
-Aha! TT 1:11 shows Female, Blonde, Newt, and Muggle (I assume he's a Muggle?) outside what seems to be the speakeasy - at least, the strappy dress is there. It's not a continuous shot - Female lowers her glowing wand between frames - so maybe this is where the portrait is.
-Shaw's big do seems to take place in the columny building (TT 1:18). If he's a witchhunter, the Thunderbird could've chosen somewhere better, no?
-Why is there a manic child at TT 1:25?
-It looks like the 'lethifold' might invade Shaw's party; at least, there's some sort of smoke efect before everyone falls down at TT 1:29.
-TT 1:43 - heeeeey, it's Pickles out of work clothes. I don't think I've seen this trailer, actually, I need to watch it with sound sometime.
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And some stuff from the Wiki/Pottermore. by
on 2016-07-25 13:55:00 UTC
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Some information from the HP wiki:
-The shot of Jacob holding something shiny and then being dragged to Newt is labelled Jacob egg hatching.
-The portrait/poster is confirmed as the entrance to the Blind Pig.
-The neon location is confirmed as Times Square.
-That's not cotton weaving! The house-elf is cleaning the wand.
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Right... by
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- There was a part where Jacob said "Hey, Englishman! Your egg's hatching", and then Newt Accio'd him and they Disapparated.
People on FB think that this might be an occamy egg (the serpent bird lurking in the shadows of the Actual Trailer). But if that's the case, it means the occamy have an incredible growth rate!
- Not that you mention it, there are bricks visible.
- Yep. Times Square with something wicked and shape-less attacking.
- Oh! Those are brushes! That Elf is a shoe... or rather, wand-shine!
- There was a part where Jacob said "Hey, Englishman! Your egg's hatching", and then Newt Accio'd him and they Disapparated.
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Right then! What've we got? by
on 2016-07-25 13:20:00 UTC
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-Location data!
--We get a shot down the street from the house that got destroyed, but it doesn't show any obvious landmarks.
--When Newt comes in we get a lovely skyline shot. It took a bit of searching, but this postcard shows the same spot: Lower Manhattan, as seen from the Hudson. Good, so we're definitely in New York. ^^
--The building with the ornate facade in the next shot (MACUSA HQ?) looks like it must be a real place, but I don't know how to find it.
-When Newt walks down the street (0:47), we see a fairly distinctive flat-topped skyscraper in the background. Anyone know it?
--Ice skating! Central Park, maybe?
--A couple of quick flashes of places, but nothing to pin down.
--That glowing line. Is that a defence system, or a trace on the creature? Correction, three creatures: there's two little lines growing separately to the main one. Either way, it clearly marks where the action takes place. I've traced it out approximately on the map: the lower small line comes straight out of the Empire State Building.
--Bridge. Clearly the ice skating scene again. If we're down on Lower Manhattan (as the map suggests), maybe it's not Central park after all.
--Thunderbird taking off in front of a very nice building. Some sort of library or museum, or maybe government? Intriguingly, it looks like Thunderbird is actually coming out of the ground here (next to the Subway); that's strange, and suggests it's more than just an escaped creature. Or is it flying away from the collapse?
-Somewhere with lots of neon. One readable sign is for Arrow Collars, which seems to be <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheArrowCollarMan">this. 'Cluett, Peabody & Co' sounds wizardly to me. ^_^ The other signs ('NOW SHO') suggest maybe Broadway? Which puts us down below the line on the map before.
--Oh, yeah, that must by Broadway. There's a sign ending 'PHEUM', and there's an Orpheum Theatre in New York. Okay, it's actually not on Broadway itself, but the samge general area.
--And there we are, third time lucky: it's Times Square. Or maybe it just has the box-office for it? Regardless, this is where the potential Lethifold is playing around.
--And then we're back to the 'museum' from earlier, and some awesomely-dressed shooty guys. Still no idea where it is.
Okay, so that... didn't reveal much. On to Other Stuff.
-Alas, there's not a lot of MACUSA shenanigans in this one. They do seem to have an undercover investigator type, so clearly their dedication to staying out of Muggle business is partly put-on, but other than that...
-The sewing scene: did you notice that the blonde woman changes into the blue dress mid-scene? Guess that explains the look on Newt's face.
-The 'Lethifold': that doesn't match the description of a Lethifold at all. It's not sneaking up on you and eating you while you sleep: it's burrowing underground, smashing stuff, and throwing cars. I also get a hint of claws from some of the frames; I'm almost thinking 'giant mantis'. Are there any insectoid Fantastic Beasts? Though it does have the Dementor shadow effect...
Now, that painting:
-It could be Isolt. That would probably imply we're heading to Ilvermorny, when there's no hint anywhere else that we're leaving Lower Manhattan.
-Could it be the blonde lady from a bit later? Probably not - Female Lead is wearing a strappy dress in the portrait shot, but a coat in the blonde's.
-It seems to be a poster on a brick wall; could it be the entrance to the speakeasy? It is immediately followed by a shot of gambling. That would make it nobody in particular. It's a bit Art Nouveau in style, which makes it a little outdated for the '20s. Actually, Female Lead is wearing the strappy dress in the speakeasy, so I'm going with this answer.
-Regardless of who it is, there's at least two people standing outside it - one clips out of the right-hand side of the shot as we zoom in. That makes it Newt and Female - and in the speakeasy shot, it looks like Newt (out of focus in the background) might have an injured right hand.
And...
-Shaw. Do we know the name Shaw? He's America's Future, I hear. He doesn't seem to be a real US politician (ie, there's no relevant Wiki page), so I'm guessing he's one of those evil witchhunters. Did we know this already?
In conclusion: Newt Scamander is the Eleventh Doctor in disguise. That is all.
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on 2016-07-25 13:38:00 UTC
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- MACUSA HQ is located in real-life Woolworth Building. So yeah, Broadway.
- The blonde is Queenie, older sister of Tina (future Mrs. Scamander).
- The first trailer released had Newt, the Goldstein sisters, and Jacob Kowalski theMuggleNo-Maj all knocking on the solid iron door and entering I assume a speakeasy.
- Yes, we do know the name Shaw. Henry Shaw, Sr., is an American No-Maj. His son, Shaw, Jr., is a senator. One of his rallies is picketed by New Salem Philanthropic Society...or the Neo-Witchhunters, led by American version of Dolores Umbridge!
- MACUSA HQ is located in real-life Woolworth Building. So yeah, Broadway.
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Aha! by
on 2016-07-25 13:49:00 UTC
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I can confirm that the archy door is the entrance to the Woolworth Building, and therefor to MACUSA. (The archy one, not the columny one.) You can also see it in Newt's skyline shot.
Thanks for the names; I don't know that I'll remember them, but I'll try. ^_^ Shaw's rally seems to be the location of the Thunderbird incident, which might mean a connection with the witchhunters (one way or another).
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What if... by
on 2016-07-25 13:55:00 UTC
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American!Umbridge captured some creatures underground (including the Thunderbird) and, after Newt and Tina wreck the place [TT 1:27, 1:33, 1:36] they all escape?
Also, the "manic child" is called Modesty - A "haunted young girl" with "an ability to see deep into people".
Now I really don't think we're dealing with the lethifold as a main enemy, though :/ In TT Graves says "No human on Earth knows what that thing's capable of" which I assume is after they learned that something big had escaped Newt's suitcase? Which also beggs the question how did Newt captured that creature in the first place. -
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on 2016-07-25 11:42:00 UTC
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Apparently, the creature I've assumed to be an albino griffin is actually a Thunderbird!
And also, what I've assumed to be a cockatrice is an occamy.
Also, I completely agree with Herr Graubart - that is totally a female goblin. Why on Earth did I say a female House Elf? -
A Thunderbird? by
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(Still hoping for that to need a definite article, of course.)
But... why would Newt have a, the, or any Thunderbird in his suitcase? That's an American creature. Is Thunderbird meddling in the events of the film? I've got to admit, it would be awesome to see a subplot where the magical creatures of North America take the opportunity to rise up against MACUSA oppression. It's like the Great Sasquatch Rebellion again, but wider-spread...
More coming, I promise. ^_~
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Maybe it's not from his case? by
on 2016-07-25 13:06:00 UTC
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Then again, he has an Australian billywig, so why no a Thunderbid?
But, if you look at the scene where the Thunderbird flies away, it looks as if it came out of that hole in the ground. And since a subway station is there, I assume it was trapped underground for some reason? And it's most likely the same scene from the previous trailer, in which Newt and Tina run away from somebody and Newt unleashes the Swooping Evil.
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Because he only just arrived in America? by
on 2016-07-25 13:22:00 UTC
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Isn't the plot that he's been travelling the world, and has just arrived in the US? So he'd have Australian critters, but not American.
Oh, darn, there's previous trailers, aren't there? I may have to go correlate stuff between them. :-/
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A female House Elf? by
on 2016-07-25 09:53:00 UTC
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I’d say it’s a female goblin. Have we ever seen female goblins?
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The end of the year is gonna be great! by
on 2016-07-25 02:24:00 UTC
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This movie in November, and a new Doctor Who Christmas episode in December... :D I'm happy.
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Has that been confirmed, though? by
on 2016-07-24 10:19:00 UTC
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That a lethifold will appear in the movie? I mean, it would be awesome if it did, but I haven't heard anything about it and a quick Google search just brings up speculation about what we'll get to see. Not to mention, how would a people-eating blanket known for slipping under doorways cause that much destruction, or why? I think, if anything, it would be something new we haven't seen in the book.
also lethifolds aren't confirmed to be cousins of the dementor, that's just speculation
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Eh, kinda? by
on 2016-07-24 16:10:00 UTC
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At least that's what one of the Pottermore writers, who was present on the set, wrote:
"because if there’s one thing on this set more terrifying than a Lethifold, it’s accidentally being in shot."
Also, yeah I know that they aren't confirmed to be related. Hence the quotation marks at cousin. :P
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When You Can Tell Something's Bad Just From the Summary by
on 2016-07-24 02:05:00 UTC
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And I'm not even counting 'I suck at summaries' disclaimers or things that make it obvious that the story is not going to be your taste. I'm talking about things like this gem from Fanfiction.net:
Queen Elsa has been assassinated and Anna is elected as the new queen but her greed for power soon turns viscous and vengeful.
Yes, this is supposed to be the characters from Disney's Frozen.
Do the rest of you have any stories about times when the summary was so blatantly horrible you knew that the story was not going to turn out well? -
A Higher Bar by
on 2016-07-27 18:38:00 UTC
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For those of you who like a bit more of a challenge, here's another criteria:
The summary can't just be the 'it gives me a (probably correct) bad feeling', it's things that absolutely cannot be canon. For example:
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Once more, with feeling! by
on 2016-07-27 19:42:00 UTC
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"Castiel was a broken angel when Lucifer finally won on Earth. So when God gives him the chance to go back and stop it from happening, he was quick to agree. There was one catch...he would have to abandon his gender and become female to avoid a paradox. Now Castielle is on a mission from god to save the Winchesters and hopefully make things right between her and Dean. Destiel!"
Long story short, none of that happened, and even if it did, the genderbend would be completely, utterly, totally pointless. The best part is so far, the only thing the fic has gotten right about canon is... *drumroll* that Gabriel was a janitor.
Sorry, this fic just makes me angrier the more I spork it.
Let's see, have another!
"In which Harry is cocky and arrogant, Hermione is Muggle-born and has an older sister who thinks she's a freak, and Draco befriends Hermione and tells her about the wizarding world. Sound familiar? That's because it's just like the lives of James Potter, Lily Evans, and Severus Snape. Who says history can't repeat? NO VOLDEMORT! Harmony One-sided Dramione"
If you want to write about the Marauders, then write about the freaking Marauders. That is all. >:/ -
"to avoid a paradox" *scoffs* (nm) by
on 2016-08-03 03:06:00 UTC
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Found this gem easily by
on 2016-07-27 02:01:00 UTC
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I know, this wasn't a challenge to find badfic based on summaries, but I couldn't resist posting this from the Pit for Skyrim.
"One of the Divines toys with the feelings of mortals and immortals alike by throwing an innocent and beautiful woman from an other dimension in to Skyrim."
Thing I found a while ago but did not seek out has:
"Warning: r63 Alduin, Possible lemons, suggestive terms/content, and swearing will be present. The Dragonborn has began to question his purpose for living and Alduin takes the opportunity to fufill a strong desire. But, Did she actually satisfy more than just her own desires in the end." -
Re: When You Can Tell Something's Bad Just From the Summary by
on 2016-07-25 15:10:00 UTC
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what if Jim had a little sister? and what if she came with him to treasure planet? read to find out! :D i promes u wont be disapounted :)
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I do. by
on 2016-07-25 04:20:00 UTC
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https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10554707/1/Plants-vs-Zombies-Story-The-Adventure
"One day, someone dared Sunflower to drink one gallon of mixture wine, liquor, beer, and Mickey Finn in under 1 minute. Sunflower did it. This causes many crazy stuff to happen! Zomboss duplicates Zombies, a Camera Zombie spies on plants, PLANTS TURN INTO ZOMBIES, and Peashooter and Sunflower have A BABY! Read to find out what happens next!"
I simply thought it would just be a case of bad biology; it turned out to be a sickening combination of that, bad psychology, horrible pacing, and misuse of author notes. (And by that, I mean questions that show up at the end of each chapter in the most hammy writing style you can think of.) Also the fact that the author really, really loves order of magnitude and big numbers. -
Pretty much all of them. by
on 2016-07-24 19:11:00 UTC
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I've only done one fic so far where the summary sounded like a badfic but the fic itself was OK, and that was the one for "Of Swimmers and a Sue."
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Found this yesterday. by
on 2016-07-24 17:23:00 UTC
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Seducing the Survivor:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11027444/1/Seducing-The-Survivour
Kelsier thought he'd planned for everything... but he'd never planned for THIS.
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All the freaking time. by
on 2016-07-24 07:45:00 UTC
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The one I thought of off the top of my head, though, is one I'm planning on sporking in a few missions:
"Castiel was a broken angel when Lucifer finally won on Earth. So when God gives him the chance to go back and stop it from happening, he was quick to agree. There was one catch...he would have to abandon his gender and become female to avoid a paradox. Now Castielle is on a mission from god to save the Winchesters and hopefully make things right between her and Dean. Destiel!"
Oh, and a very strange, short badfic in Spanish:
"Bella es una bruja, su nombre real es Lily, decide regresar al mundo magico a hogwarts, ¿que se escontrara alla? mal summary, soy nueva no sean malos"
(As far as I could tell, the translation is "Bella is a witch, her real name is Lily, she decides to return to the magic world of hogwarts, what will she find there? Bad summary, I'm new, not bad".) The entire fic was seven sentences of sheer wat. -
Not a native speaker of Spanish by
on 2016-07-24 09:03:00 UTC
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Or even really have a particularly good grasp of it, but Spanish fics on FF have proven a gold mine for me so far.
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I've sporked fics like that. by
on 2016-07-24 07:30:00 UTC
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"*Chapter 5* Hermione is half vampire, but only one person knows this. And what does she hold over him to make him do her bidding? ::sings:: It's gettin' hot! Hot! HOT!!"
"A chance accident strips Harry of his humanity and leaves him a creature of pure hatred. A creature who understands what has been done to him in the past and seeks ultimate revenge. Though at the same time Harry wishes to build himself an empire, built from the ruins of a society he will destroy. Powerful Dark Harry, Dumbledore and Weasley Bashing"
Generally speaking, if a fic's summary has "Powerful Harry", "Dark Harry", "Grey Harry", "X Bashing" and so on and so forth, then it's gonna be an OOC, possibly Suvian mess nine times out of ten. -
Not a fanfic but by
on 2016-07-24 06:57:00 UTC
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A friend of mine recently mentioned a book to me during a discussion about the disgusting requests I've received over the years for fanfic. The most egregious example I brought up was regarding a certain nazi doctor, which led her to ask me if I'd heard of a book about "...blond and blue-eyed Jewess Hadassah Benjamin". And yes, that's from the first line of the summary. You just know it's going to be a great, compelling, realistic novel when the Jewish protagonist is "pressed into service by SS-Kommandant Colonel Aric von Schmidt at the transit camp of Theresienstadt" and "battling a growing attraction for this man she knows she should despise as an enemy."
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From the exact fic that prompted me to actually come here by
on 2016-07-24 02:54:00 UTC
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From the Persona series:
"Kari Yuki, Yu Narukami's [the Persona 4 Protagonist's] adopted sister, moves to Inaba just weeks after Yu's arrival. What role will she play when it comes to solving the mystery? A loose re-telling of the story from Persona 4 (not Golden) with some hints of P3/P3P, told from Kari's point of view.
Rated T for now, but will change if required."
I count four major red flags for a Mary Sue in as many sentences.
I can also recall one case where the fic (also from Persona) had a generic 'I can't write summaries' but I could tell it was going to be very squicky from the M rating and the fact that the only characters were Mianko/Hamuko/Kotone (they're all names for the Persona 3 female protagonist) and Koromaru (the team's pet Shiba Inu). After an attack of curiosity, I was able to confirm that it was indeed sexually explicit yiff, and I very much regret clicking on it.
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[BETA CALL INTENSIFIES] by
on 2016-07-24 06:03:00 UTC
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Okay, so, a while ago we finished a mission involving a bunch of space rocks, three different animes, and five very annoyed agents (and one androgynous technician). One of our betas has had to back out after a private discussion with a certain steel birb, so we were wondering if anyone was willing to take his place. Canon knowledge of Steven Universe, Naruto, Fairy Tail, and One Piece is desirable though not a strict requirement; SPaG and story flow knowledge are absolutely welcome. We only need one more beta, so first come first served.
If any of you have any of our e-mails, PM us and we'll be happy to send you our work. Otherwise, feel free to reply to this post and we'll lend you our e-mail addresses for future use. -
Hit me up bruhs (nm) by
on 2016-07-24 06:19:00 UTC
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Sent! :D (nm) by
on 2016-07-24 15:03:00 UTC
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So I went to dig up my old work from the Pit by
on 2016-07-24 10:45:00 UTC
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Since slowly making my way through the PPC library, I was seized with the thought that my work might belong to the ranks of badfic. With that in mind, I conducted a witch hunt of the old fanfics I had left in the Pit.
Here is the sole survivor, which I, among other issues, posted on an account that didn't belong to me, and must therefore accept that it will very likely survive me.
While I hope it isn't bad enough to be deemed badfic, I'm probably biased. That judgment is best left to others. Take a look at it if you're curious, and hopefully get a cheap chuckle or two.
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New mission! by
on 2016-07-24 11:36:00 UTC
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Agents Ix and Lottie get sent to Hogwarts, and then Forks, to chase down a glamorous Hermione and an identity confused Cedric. Or maybe he's Edward. And then there were blood pops.
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Re: New mission! by
on 2016-08-04 15:11:00 UTC
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Is it my imagination, or were you ship-teasing your agents?
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Nice mission. by
on 2016-07-27 02:27:00 UTC
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I really liked your commentary and realizing how the exorcism would work (or, rather, not work). As for criticisms, I had to cheat and look at HG's comment; I didn't want to read the fic in question. I was only tripped up by one thing: Performing a Full-Body Binding on three separate people at once. It's been a while since I've read HP, but I thought most spells only had one target.
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Thanks. :) by
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As for the Full-Body Bind, she did cast three. Maybe I should have made that clearer...?
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You made me read the badfic. IÂ’ll take revenge. by
on 2016-07-26 09:57:00 UTC
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So, bad things first.
Takes place after Deathly Hallows and a bit before Breaking Dawn, according to Intel.
For the next five pages I wondered why Charlotte and Ix didn’t wonder how Intel got to this conclusion, until I was forced to read the badfic and found that they were still in a prologue set years earlier than the actual fic. Saying something like "but we have to go through a prologue first" would have been appreciated.
... At least he'd have someone to confide in.
“See?” Charlotte said, pointing. “Proof that vampirism makes you stupid.”
Ix tilted her head. “This might just me being prejudiced, but this does not sound very Hufflepuffy of him. Then again, he’s Cedward, not Cedric, so…”
“Yeah, Cedric would have probably asked his Hufflepuff friends for help if he turned to anyone. Definitely not Hermione, since they didn’t really interact in canon.”
What? While agents willfully misunderstanding the fic when it’s ambiguous or unclear may be fun, this is not the case here. If somebody had found out that Cedward is a vampire, but had not revealed this to anybody else, she would literally be the only person he could confide in, i. e. discuss how to survive the First Task while keeping his vampire abilities secret. It doesn’t matter whether he would rather ask his Hufflepuff friends, or how much he and Hermione interacted in canon. The fic is internally consistent here. Hermine noticed something suspicious, started to investigate and to interact with Cedward, and is, as far as Cedward knows, the only person who may find out his secret anyway. Are Charlotte and Ix more stupid than Cedward, not seeing that he is perfectly reasonable, or are they just malevolent?
(After reading the badfic’s prologue, I realized that the agents may actually be more concerned with the next sentence, And she would probably have the answers to his questions, being he intelligent Gryffindor that she was, but how are we supposed to know this when you cut the quote short? Missing this context, I thought more in the way of using Hermione as a sort of "beta reader" for Cedwards ideas than plainly have her solve his problems. And since the fact that Cedric didn’t need Hermione’s help is covered later anyway, I still believe that the whole section should better have been dropped.)
... when the falling letters stopped, they found themselves outside the champions’ tent for the first task.
"Congratulations, Cedric." Hermione said, joining him at the table in the library ...
[...]
In the tent, surrounded by the other champions, Hermione decided that right then and there was the perfect time to ask Cedward if he was actually a vampire.
You can’t just drop this continuity error on me with no hint whether it’s your or the badfic’s fault. Since I already didn’t trust you anymore, I had to read the badfic, and apparently it is your fault. Hermione meets Cedward in the library at an unspecified time after the First Task, and from there they go on a walk by the lake. I have no idea why your agents went to the champion’s tent. If the Department of Inaccuracies actually existed, the Snow Drop might consider a misrepresenting-the-badfic charge.
Technical error: What friends are she talking about?
There are two friends, but the person talking is still singular.
All this doesn’t say that I didn’t enjoy the mission, because these two agents are just so good. Highlights:
Ix’s attempt to use personal experience as canon evidence and Charlotte calling her out.
The divided-by-one-language cakehole/piehole exchange. (I had to consult my dictionary to get it. Learning never ends.)
She noticed, not for the first time, that her partner smelled like honeysuckle and morning dew and sunlight. Wait. Was that too urple?
:grin:
”... How the heck do you kill magic, anyway?!”
“By telling little kids Santa isn’t real?” Ix suggested.
:snort:
“I’m honestly not sure if that was a werewolf joke or a vampire joke, but either way was in bad taste.”
:chuckle:
(Apparently I lost interest when the actual badfic began; I didn’t take many notes from there on. OOC Hermione in Twilight? Yawn. But your agents made it still bearable.)
“Is that just a vampire thing or something?” Ix said in annoyance, pulling away when the letters ceased falling. “Being overly grabby and dragging people around?”
Ha ha, spot-on for Twilight vampires? And now I realize that the repeated downpour of "X"s never felt repetitive, because just when Charlotte protecting Ix began to be boring, you found new variations for your agents’ reactions.
Exorcising Cedric and Edward from each other.
Also, Ix unending task: vanish all the lollipops.
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Welp. by
on 2016-07-26 10:34:00 UTC
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-Corrected the first.
-The second was my fault for not being entirely clear in my writing; I was more pointing out that Cedward could have been asking his Hufflepuff friends for help with the tasks, not Hermione. Keeping the vampirism would have been easy enough by simply not running fast, so that didn't even occur to me as an issue. Do you have any suggestions for how that could be corrected?
-I didn't really consider that an important detail, but now that you've pointed it out, you're right. I'll sit on that for a bit.
-That one was my fault entirely. Fixed. >.> I have no idea why I thought that was in the tent.
-Fixed.
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We-e-ellÂ… by
on 2016-07-26 18:47:00 UTC
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Cedward's thoughts are coherent, so you cannot call him stupid for that. But why does he insist on using vampiric abilities when the Triwizard Tournament is meant to be a magical contest. (Can we construct a dichotomy between supernatural and magical? Or just insist that the ability to run fast is still physical, even if the speed is superhuman?) So, isn't this cheating? Ix is right, this doesn't sound very Hufflepuffy.
So, thinking about simultaneously using and hiding his vampirism is a stupid waste of time that should better be used to think about a non-cheaty magical solution. And if he really can't come up with anything on his own, he can safely (or not so safely?) ask his Hufflepuff friends about that. (Actually, taking anybody's advice should be considered cheating, but apparently all champions ignore this rule to a certain extent.)
Put this into dialogue, using your agents' words.
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Alright, thank you very much. :) (nm) by
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So far, so good by
on 2016-07-25 00:31:00 UTC
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I liked this mission. The banter between the two girls was fun to read, and unlike Matt Cipher, I do not think that this went too far into MST territory. And good canon reference, bringing up Krum as a potential boyfriend for Hermione as an alternative to Malfoy.
On to my usual fare, i.e., spotting SPaG errors, I spotted no SPaG grammatical errors in the English. However, there is a word-choice error:
“Is that just a vampire thing or something?” Ix said in annoyance, pulling away when the letters ceased falling. “Being overly grabby and dragging people around?”
Charlotte looked slightly mollified. “Sorry,” she said, scuffing her feet on the floor.
"Mollified" means "pacified". This is clearly not the word you're going for. You're trying to say that Ix's rebuke hit home. Try "crestfallen" instead. Ix might be mollified by the apology.
Note, however, that I specified that I found no errors in the English. I liked Charlotte's confusion in separating Cedward, but there's an error in the Spanish:
“Come on out, Cedric Diggory!” she yelled, whacking Cedward again. “Avaunt and Expelliarmus! Um, Accio Cedric Diggory! The power of Rowling compels you! The power of Meyer rejects you! ¡Vamanos!”
It's spelled "vámonos".
(If I wanted to be really pedantic, I would add that the correct word would be vaya; vámonos means "Let's go!" But obviously, this should be given a pass, since Lottie is scrambling for ways to say "get out of there"; so I'll stick with noting the spelling errors.) -
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Thanks for the corrections! (this is why I got a B on my Spanish final >.>) I did mean for her to say "let's go", though, so no pedantry necessary. :P
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Let's see... by
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It's great to see this duo again! And, since we're still in the "Read it? Review it!" Challenge, let's begin!
I'll start with the good things:
- Ix's problem gets solved. Now, I'd personally be in favour of a cane (because canes are cool!), but I guess the brace is more practical.
- The humor. Running (or should I say "falling") punctuation gag, the girls' banters (the "bite me" exchange was great), the sugar joke...everything's on point here. Really nice, light reading.
- Am I sensing a hint of potential foreshadowing of romance between our leading ladies?
Now onto those things that didn't exactly click for me:
- It seemed very light on the actual PPC stuff. Honest to God, while reading this there was a moment in which I've forgotten that Ix and Lottie are working for the PP...il the last part with neuralyzation, and one brief mention of CAD. If I didn't know better, I'd take this mission as a more elaborate form of an MST. I'm not saying, you should mention CADs, departments and RCs every second sentence, but I think something more could be implemented mid-mission.
- Agent Ix sounding like a veteran. It's her third mission and she seems quite comfortable with the whole idea of the PPC and hopping into new realities. I kinda feel like she should still have this little bit of disbelief in her. Seems like she accepted everything a little too fast.
- A very minor detail, but shouldn't the "cakehole-piehole" thing be reversed? Since Lottie is the one with Supernatural in her fandoms?
In conculsion, this mission was really enjoyable. If I had to rate it, I'd say 8/10.
P.S.: I was kinda hoping Lottie would secretly snatch some blood pops for herself. Or Ix, since she was curious about the taste. -
Oookay... by
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-First of all, I like the idea Ix got this brace, and the way you used the IO wen Lottie talked about it.
-What sort of stomach Ix got? that seems like liquid, raffined sugar. Just reading that I want to brush my teeth.
-Backstory with holes ready to be filled with more stories. The better sort.
- Euh nope, still 21 X on the second line, sorry Lottie.
-Of course they lose IQ, they become rock, of course they'll become dumb as them.
-At least Cedward is as dumb as cannon. I... guess it's positive?
-Sorry Lottie, but I prefer cake too. Even if it's a lie.
-'light side'? Could a Knight of Ren come and put these things down, please? They seem to be experts about this.
- Well, Meyer fan is now as skilled with writing as Meyer. I guess it's good news?
-Guess it's a bit late for that, but why not opening a great portal to somewhere these candies could disappear without a trace, Ix? Same result, but far more practical.
-Mode is at the very bottom of my worries, Lottie, and even I can tell you're off the mark here.
-I liked the neuralyzations. X)
Well, I know PoorCynic also asks for something negative to say in his workshop, but frankly, I fail to see something. Good job.
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Beta call. by
on 2016-07-25 15:19:00 UTC
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I'm going to be gone for at least a week, so here are the files.
Please, I would like a harsh beta.
Agent Kelly goes into a Harry Potter troll-fic.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SMFa42H78duW3SqiIRIhmFgj5NmWgUthzf9YnyCiV3k/edit?usp=sharing
Agent Kelly solos a bad Treasure Planet fic. Skarmory, this one was yours.
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Please remember... by
on 2016-07-25 18:01:00 UTC
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That sharing files publicly on-Board is basically the same as publishing them. Therefore, beta requests should be handled via email or whatever.
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moot point by
on 2016-08-04 15:07:00 UTC
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It seems that I have no takers for my beta request, and that makes me sad.
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LET. THE WARS. BEGIIIIIIIIIN! by
on 2016-07-25 21:57:00 UTC
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Oh yes, my friends. Robot Wars is back.
My thoughts:-
- I love that the House Robots look absolutely terrifying now. They're enormous and I adore it.
- The mini-league format gives a lot more fighting in the show, which is probably why it's only six episodes long come on BBC give us back the nineteen-episode-long Wars a la the Third Wars.
- Carbide scares me. A worthy successor to Hypno-Disc, even if a bar spinner is less, er... well, less iconic. #SpinToWin
- Nuts is, and is piloted by people who are, and this is glorious.
- I had forgotten how much I love Razer. And. Um. I'm having strange feelings about it.
- Behemoth vs. Carbide is a classic match. #HumOfDeath
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Pfft, forget your Razer. by
on 2016-07-26 21:11:00 UTC
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Nuts is the way to go. It was fantastic.
I mean, okay, so it lost every battle after the first, but it only actually lost once. And it was so delightfully bonkers! With the little drones bouncing everywhere - literally, if Behemoth was in the room - and the insanity of 'our weapon came off, but it's okay, it caught under the other robot!'.
Nuts is bonkers. I want a series where 40 incarnations of Nuts go up against each other.
And then Carbide comes in and chops them all to pieces.
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You seem to believe I think otherwise. by
on 2016-07-27 01:37:00 UTC
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Nuts is amaaaazing. A contestant who really gets the Wars - by which I mean gets that it's really as much about the taking part and entertaining people as it is the winning - is incredibly rare, and even if Nuts hadn't lasted as long as it somehow contrived to do, I'd've been rooting for it and its fuzzy-neon-waistcoated crew every day of the week, fam!
If I put my serious hat on, I could mention that Nuts' weapon wasn't without merit, since it evidently did some internal damage to Terrorhurtz's axe without them (or anyone else for that matter) realising they had, but why would I put my serious hat on at all? It's Nuts. The clue is in the name. And the fact that Carbide treated Nuts like nuts are treated by the bar's obligatory drunken orator in the middle of a speech that requires sweeping hand gestures. =]
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Niiiice. by
on 2016-07-26 05:44:00 UTC
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That stuff's bloody awesome.
Especially Razer. Pokes right through the other robots like they're made of cardboard glued together by butter.
I'd let Razer raze me, let me tell you. -
It's back? Awesome! by
on 2016-07-25 22:26:00 UTC
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I have fond memories of this programme. Though I'm kinda sad I'll have to do eight figures in the air to watch the new series...
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The Cursed Child came out today. by
on 2016-07-26 19:56:00 UTC
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And the whole mess with the Time-Turners still exist. I am beyond disappointed.
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A general call for calm and reflection. by
on 2016-08-01 18:45:00 UTC
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There's been a lot of agitation in this thread. A lot of hyperbolic statements and Internet sabre rattling. So I would like to remind everyone of a simple phrase:
JUST REPEAT TO YOURSELF "IT'S JUST A SHOW, I SHOULD REALLY JUST RELAX."
This is not the end of the world. Nor has J.K. Rowling "sunk her career," as she's going to be writing different books and making money off this franchise until she dies. All this rampant hyperbole does not reflect well on this community.
With that out of the way, there are a few final points I would like to make.
— How many of you have actually seen the play, or read the script? From what I can tell, it seems like only one person has actually done that so far. You can't have an intelligent conversation about something when only one person is in the know. I would recommend that people read the play for themselves (or, if you're in the UK, go actually see the play). Come to your own conclusions and your own opinions.
— As I said in another comment, The Cursed Child is a play, not a book. Stop treating it as a book. You can't consume the two in the same way. -
People are certainly being a bit melodramatic about it. by
on 2016-08-02 16:52:00 UTC
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Seriously, people, it's not like it's the swearing-in of Donald Trump or anything.
Some of the spoilers mentioned in this thread are a little baffling to me, though. Even with time travel, this story seems to not make very much sense - and to not be very good, but I was never fond of Potter, so. -
I full-heartedly agree by
on 2016-08-02 14:18:00 UTC
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Regardless of what Rowling said and may actually have meant when she said it, the flavor that Jack Thorne and John Tiffany added to the story to make it fit the medium and to allow the special effects team to show off cannot affect the base canon that is true in both bookverse and movieverse (and now also in stageverse), just like decisions made for the movieverse don’t affect bookverse canon.
The misunderstanding apparently was caused by nonsensical rumors that Harry Potter would be the Cursed Child in Harry Potter and the Cursed Child and that the play would be a prequel to the book series. So, in ancient, long-forgotten internet history, JKR insisted that no, it’s "NOT a prequel. Not. A. Prequel.", but "The story [not the actual play] of #CursedChild should be considered canon [actually a sequel], though. @jackthorne, John Tiffany (the director) and I developed it together [Thorne, Tiffany and the producers didn’t conjure it out of thin air]".
If the characters need to be cardboard-y to play to the back row, so be it.
What bothers me is whether the plot could work with characters who weren’t driven OOC, and thus could be part of the base canon and legitimately called "the eight story" rather than "vaguely based on some of JKR’s ideas".
So I’ll shut up now, purchase the script and read the thing.
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Clarification: by
on 2016-08-01 22:49:00 UTC
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(Because I feel I might've left some misunderstandings in my previous posts. Also, I am speaking strictly for myself, not for Ix, nor anyone on this thread, or Twitter/Reddit/anywhere on the Internet that hates/enjoys The Cursed Child)
I understand there are various elements, which when put together, decide if a play is good or not. The script, the actors, the production crew, the effects, etc. I have not nearly enough knowledge about theater to judge these.
But I do have enough knowledge about Harry Potter to feel confident about judging the plot of The Cursed Child. Notice I specified "plot", because that's what matters to me; how much the information we've discovered in TCC are coherent with previously established canon information. I know all of my points may sound biased, but I think I care about this franchise more than an average fan, or a critic that watches it as just a play.
And maybe the play is brilliant as a stand-alone. Maybe it really is well-made, the production may be great, the actors may be spot on in their roles, but that's not what I'm focusing on. As someone who grew up with Harry Potter, who was in this world for 15 years, let me tell you PC that it wasn't nice reading all those new information that now are official and canon. I would react the same way if the same information were given to me on Pottermore website, as a book, or as a movie. That's what I meant by "the medium doesn't matter". The information stay the same.
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Re: A general call for calm and reflection. by
on 2016-08-01 22:20:00 UTC
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A) Hyperbole is practically the foundation of the PPC and it's humor.
II) I think you over estimate the amount people outside of the community care about the PPC.
3) Regardless of the format, criticizing a story is pretty much the same. The Trolly Witch scene is stupid because it doesn't make sense not because we're looking at the wrong medium.
■) Only one of us has seen a physical copy of the script. I, at least, have read a pirated copy because I refuse to spend money on any more of Rowling's nonsense and even before the script was available, numerous websites had leaked overviews of the story, spoiling certain details, most of which have proven to be true. Armed with that knowledge I feel people can bemoan this failure of a story to their heart's content. -
A few responses. by
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A) Wit. Snarkiness. Terry Pratchett. Those, from what I've seen, were the rock upon which the PPC was built. Hyperbole was a side effect.
II) Perhaps. But what about people looking to join? Or old members? Do they feel the same way?
3) Not necessarily. I can think of plenty of story elements that only fit in plays, and plenty that only fit in novels. Pretty much any soliloquy played straight, for example, only works in the context of a play. You do that with an otherwise normal character in a novel, the audience is going to start to ask "Is this person bonkers? Why are they talking to themselves so much?" The ending of Romeo and Juliet, written out as a novel, would probably fall flatter than a pancake under a bus.
As for the scene you bring up, I can't anything really specific about it 'cause I haven't read or seen the play yet.
—) Overviews do not a comprehensive reading make. The vast majority of people on the board seem to be going off of the snippets provided by one person. What are the context of those scenes? How do they fit into the play as a whole? Nothing beats looking at the thing itself. Do that, then complain.
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A) Perhaps, but it has become pervasive to the point that complaining about it is slightly rediculous.
II) If they're put off by people complaining about something that is objectively bad, albeit in a hyperbolic fashion, they wouldn't last long anyway.
3) This ignores the fact that people clearly know this is a script of a play. No one complains about the soliloquies in plays because they know that's an element of the medium. If someone complains about a soliloquy it's because the soliloquy was bad not because the person doesn't understand how plays work. Also how does that change anything about the script being bad?
—) Okay. I have done that, I am complaining. This is a poorly written story full of plotholes and stupid ideas, which blatantly contradicts established canon, and introduces several frankly distasteful ideas. Being a play does not matter because the very story itself is flawed and does not deserve the hype it has gotten. -
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on 2016-08-02 16:56:00 UTC
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Just because something is pervasive doesn't mean it's immune to criticism.
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Reviews on Goodreads by
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It has a decent rating there, but closer inspection reveals that the 'reviews' are mostly hype. I'd leave a rating myself to correct that, but I don't have a facebook profile. Will anyone who does please help correct the gross misconception that The Cursed Child is worthwhile?
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Well... by
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I'm baffled by it, but there's a huge number of critics who gave the play glowing reviews and Twitter is overflowing with praise. Why? I don't know.
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I think I can explain that. by
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Or, at the very least, maybe give you an alternate perspective.
You (and everyone else currently losing their minds in this thread) need to remember that a play is not the same thing as a book. They cannot be consumed the same way. Thinking you can understand everything about a play just by reading the script is like thinking you can understand a song by just reading the sheet music. So much of what makes a play different comes down to performance; to how the actors embody the characters, to how the stage embodies the world as a whole.
A play is a strange beast, well removed from the normal expectations of literature. They are big, bombastic events with posturing heroes and sneering villains. It's important to remember that subtlety isn't a driving force in the theater. Nuance is all very well and good, but it doesn't necessarily play to the back row. There also won't be as much time spent on character development and the like. Most of that has to be communicated, as I mentioned before, by the actors.
From what I've seen, almost everyone in this thread has been treating The Cursed Child like a book. Stop doing that. Treat it like a play, as it was meant to be. -
As I've said before... by
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The main problem (at least for me) is not that it's a play, and I'm just reading a script. It's that the content revealed in the play is canon to the world of Harry Potter. As in, there really is a daughter of Voldemort, and a rule-breaking Time-Turner, whether The Cursed Child would be a book, a play, or a comic strip in a newspaper. It's the content that matters most for something that advertises itself as the "eighth story", not the means of showing it. And the play can be executed beautifully, but would you be willing to accept it if it showed, for example, Dumbledore resurrecting himself and having a hot and steamy affair with Malfoy? That's basically the same thing.
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It is not "basically the same thing." by
on 2016-08-01 19:10:00 UTC
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And if you truly believe so, then you have a problem. Either that, or you are engaging in wild exaggeration in an attempt to make your point.
Also, the method of presentation does matter. That's what shapes the story. Dialogue-driven plays are often much better received than dialogue-driven comic strips. Comics, in turn, are better at showing sights and scenes that couldn't possibly be performed on a stage. Changing the presentation can make differences to the canon. -
So what you're saying is... by
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Even the worse possible plot is acceptable, as long as it's presented in a proper manner? Sure, it's better to watch the actual play than to merely read the script, but it doesn't change the fact that the content stays the same on paper and on the stage.
Also, would you mind explaining how changing the presentation makes differences to the canon? What is the difference in me reading in a script "I'm Voldemort's daughter", and me seeing the actress saying "I'm Voldemort's daughter" surrounded by scenery, music and the whole ambience?
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I understand that the theater has limitations that you don't get when you read/write a book. I get that. But there was absolutely no need for the play to go out of its way to explicitly contradict canon when it's supposed to be a direct continuation of the books. I don't think it's too much to ask that we have some continuity between them.
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You have missed the gist of my post. by
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I was trying to explain why a "huge number of critics" would praise the play. They don't necessarily care about every canonical detail and nitpicked point. They are more interested in the effectiveness of the play; how it speaks to them as an audience.
As for all the people on Twitter who might not necessarily have seen the play? Perhaps they are just happy to get something in the same universe after nearly ten years. It's important to remember that you, the people here, and the people on the Harry Potter subreddit are not indicative of the fanbase as a whole. Not even close. -
To Your Last Point... by
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This seems to be a prevailing issue in almost every community. Any group of people seems to think that they represent the majority of fans. Just look at the forums for any videogame and watch how many people insist that their personal opinions represent the majority.
The thing is though, I don't think that's what this thread is. As Data Junkie said elsewhere in this thread, hyperbole and vitriol is humor. It's just plain fun to get on the Board and find a bunch of people who you can complain about stuff with.
I appreciate how you're trying to keep the general mood here positive, but there's a certain point where the PPC is, at its core, a place for us to vent our frustration about lousy writing. Admittedly, that writing usually isn't canon, but I digress. -
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The PPC should not be a place to vent about lousy writing. Not by itself. It should be, above all else, a place to celebrate writing. To meet with like-minded folks and say "look at this funny/dramatic/awesome thing I wrote!" To improve your craft. To laugh about silly plot twists and unrealistic characters.
There's nothing funny about vitriol or anger (unless you're watching someone else be angry; that can be kind of funny). There's nothing entertaining about being so obsessed with something that the slightest change to the canon drives you batty. There's nothing laugh-worthy about frustration. Why should we embrace these negative feelings when it comes to something we're supposed to love doing?
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I've heard Cursed Child compared to the Star Wars prequels by
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So, for those of you brave souls who've read it (I refuse to touch it with a ten-foot pole), I have a question:
On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the Star Wars Prequels and 10 being the Star Wars Holiday Special, how bad is The Cursed Child? -
I'd put it at a 15. (nm) by
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Why? by
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So The Cursed Child is half-again as bad as Star Wars Holiday Special. What makes it so?
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Normally... (spoilers) by
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I would have put it at a 10, on equal level with the Holiday Special. But the Holiday Special has a huge point in its favor: it's not considered canon-compliant.
Highlights include:
-Harry Potter getting thrown OOC, such as:
--Being afraid of pigeons.
--Telling McGonagall she doesn't know how to do her job and that he will get her fired if she doesn't keep Albus and Scorpius apart.
--Making a huge deal about Albus getting sorted into Slytherin despite promises to be supportive in the books no matter what.
--Assuming that Albus is the cursed child because of vague statements made by Bane, even though Harry had to deal with people making similar assumptions about him when he was in school. Heir of Slytherin, anyone?
Ron getting thrown OOC, such as:
--Getting reduced to dumb comic relief.
--Holding his wand the wrong way around.
--Confessing he doesn't remember his and Hermione's wedding because he was drunk.
--Endorsing date rape drugs. ("Nice to see my love potion being used well, I thought.")
-Trolley Lady turning into Wolverine.
--No, seriously, she grows claws and everything.
-Voldemort and Bellatrix havingEbony Dark'ness Dementia Raven WayDelphi as their daughter.
--Delphi being a huge canon Sue.
---Brews Polyjuice in mere minutes thanks to "special preparations"
---Has silver-blue hair
---Is a Parselmouth (understandable given she's Voldemort's daughter, dear lord, but still)
---Can fly without a broom, which is most certainly not genetic
---Calls herself the Augury and is the subject of a prophecy
----"When spares are spared, when time is turned, when unseen children murder their fathers: Then will the Dark Lord return."
---Is a stereotypically emo teen with a Dark And Angsty Past
--Somehow never was discovered despite the Trace?
-Cedric getting thrown OOC, such as:
--Turning into a Death Eater because he was embarrassed in the Triwizard Tournament.
--Becoming the first Hufflepuff to ever become a Death Eater.
-Ludo Bagman talking like he's announcing characters for Barney rather than the Tournament.
--"Dog diggity, Cedric Diggory—you are a doggy dynamo."
--"It's Viktor Krazy Krum."
--"Zut alors, it's Fleur Delacour!"
--"He makes us all go weaky at the kneesy, he's Cedric Delicious Diggory."
--"Yes, it's Harry Plucky Potter.")
-Not one, but two Sooper Speshul Time-Turners.
--The Idiot Plot revolving around Albus and Scorpius being desperate to save Cedric and Cedric alone. Um, why just him?
-"He needs to fly out of that maze naked on a broomstick made of purple feather dusters." -
Slight correction: by
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Apparently Delphi broke into Hogwarts over the summer to steal Boomslang skin and lacewing flies, even though she could have wandered to any old apothecary and bought those instead of going to all the trouble of breaking in. *sigh*
So the potion itself probably did brew for the full length, but there is absolutely no explanation for how she got the hair samples for Harry, Ron, and Hermione. And neither Albus nor Scorpius question how or why she has said hair samples.
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Polyjuice Potion by
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Well... they probably do go to whatever the wizarding equivalent of a hairdresser is. She might have got samples from there. Also, according to the wiki at least, boomslang skin is an unusual ingredient (which is why Hermione also had to break into Snape's private stores), and it's not sold in at least the Diagon Alley apothecary (which does not preclude the possibility that it might be sold elsewhere, but it's something).
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Unusual ingredients by
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I’m quite certain that the books don’t say where you can or can’t buy boomslang skin. Hermione stole ingredients that weren’t included in her second year standard potions lessons kit from Snape’s private store because she couldn’t leave Hogwarts to get them anywhere else.
The wiki, mixing all media, probably refers to the old, playful version of Pottermore. There, if you had not been sorted into Slytherin, you were stalled in CS 12 (in an animated picture of the entrance to the Slytherin common room) and couldn’t see any content past that point until you had successfully played the game of brewing Polyjuice Potion. This, of course, required to have all necessary ingredients in your inventory, and to make it more like the trio’s experience, you had to find the boomslang skin in an animated picture of Snape’s office in CS 5; you couldn’t simply buy it in the apothecary like many other ingredients.
Delphi is crazily prepared, considering that she allegedly only just heard about the Time-Turner, but this is not suspicious at all? What are Albus and Scorpius thinking? Unfortunately, we can only read (or hear, if we are lucky and got into the theater) what they say.
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on 2016-08-01 06:10:00 UTC
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A few things I feel compelled to respond to/miss the point of:
--Becoming the first Hufflepuff to ever become a Death Eater.
Hufflepuff still has the records of Slytherin and Gryffindor beat by a mile. Maybe Ravenclaw too, if we knew more about that house.
...And now I'm imagining each house having an 'IT HAS BEEN X YEARS SINCE A STUDENT HAS TURNED TO DARK MAGIC' signs. The larger the number, the more points your house gets at the end of the year. Slytherin has had some trouble recently when Voldemort rose for the first time and their sign kept getting re-set, but at least they've started catching up to Gryffindor after the Sirius Black incident. Ravenclaw has the occasional problems with evil geniuses, and Hufflepuff has consistently won the competition, with their numbers reaching into the triple digits. It's gotten to the point where some of the worse members of other houses have started encouraging Hufflepuffs to go dark just so they'd lose their lead. They've always failed... until two unwitting time-travelers provide the final straw.
That day, there was much confusion among the other three houses as to whether they should rejoice that Hufflepuff was down at their level at last or be scared of the new Hufflepuff Death Eater. Some brave students even ventured to be sorry for the Hufflepuffs losing one of their best members to the Death Eaters. Nobody's really unhappy about getting a chance to finally beat Hufflepuff, though.
-"He needs to fly out of that maze naked on a broomstick made of purple feather dusters."
I really want to see somebody pull that off on-stage. That would probably be worth the ticket price even if I have to spend the rest of the time on extended bathroom break. -
Rowling said the HP franchise is over... Gee, I wonder why? (nm) by
on 2016-07-31 21:32:00 UTC
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WHY DID SOMEONE PUT A SPOILER IN THE CANON SUE ARTICLE!!!? by
on 2016-07-31 18:22:00 UTC
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
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It was Iximaz. by
on 2016-07-31 20:59:00 UTC
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Watch the yelling, and... is it really a spoiler? Everybody knows by this point.
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Not me! by
on 2016-08-01 02:16:00 UTC
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It was only out like a few hours! I wanted to be surprised by the actual play!
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Got my hands on a copy. (Spoilers inside, obvs) by
on 2016-07-31 06:08:00 UTC
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Or, rather, I got to look through my boyfriend's copy and take a few pictures of the pages. And...
*FLIPS ALL THE TABLES ON THE PLANET*
You guys. I can't even begin to say how much I'm crying right now. I wish I could say it was tears of joy, but they are not. Far from it.
Harry Potter has officially Phantom Menace'd itself. Except worse. Seriously, this makes the prequel trilogy look good by comparison. The leaked spoilers were true. All of them. I took a few pictures as proof, too. Apologies for some of the bad lighting, it was dark out.
The infamous "Naked on a broomstick of purple feathers" scene:
Characters reacting to the discovery Voldemort has a daughter/more time travel crap:
The sooper awesum Time-Turner explained:
Delphi being a Sue (for context, Harry got his friends to use a bit of Transfiguration on him so he'd look like Voldemort):
I can't even, you guys. I just can't. This is badfic made legitimate canon.
I'm gonna be borrowing the book for a more thorough reading sometime within the next few days and I'm already dreading it.
Let us now welcome our newest Canon Sue, Delphi Riddle.
*touches heart and crosses wrists* For Voldemort and valor.
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My current state of mind in one (or two) image(s). by
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Oh, and another thing... by
on 2016-07-31 15:21:00 UTC
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Rowling actually isn't the author of the script. It's LITERALLY a canon badfic, and how she approved of it is beyond me. From the following article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/books/harry-potter-and-the-cursed-child-goes-from-stage-to-page-on-saturday-at-the-witching-hour.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
The elaborate rollout has all the flourishes that fans have come to expect for a new Harry Potter book. But for many nostalgic readers, this one feels different. “Cursed Child” is not a new novel, but a script of a play — a format that typically isn’t read for pleasure and almost never produces overnight best sellers. And unlike the previous seven books in the series, it was not written by Ms. Rowling herself.
In a sense, “Cursed Child” is more like sanctioned fan fiction than a new work by a beloved writer. Ms. Rowling worked on the play’s plot with the playwright Jack Thorne and the director John Tiffany, and while she helped shape the story, she has made it abundantly clear that she did not write the script.
The idea for the play, which explores Harry’s life as an adult and parent, didn’t originate with Ms. Rowling, either: She merely agreed to it when two theater producers proposed the concept.
Sigh. This is exactly why I'm skipping this entire fiasco and reserving my anticipation for Fantastic Beasts instead. Which, incidentally, has a script written by Rowling herself and not somebody else. -
I thought everybody was aware of this. by
on 2016-07-31 17:36:00 UTC
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Now I understand all the anger. The Cursed Child was hyped up to be the eight book when it’s actually more like the ninth movie.
I still don’t get why nobody complained about Rowling approving the movies. Did Steve Cloves and Michael Goldenberg do so much better jobs, or is it just that the underlying novels are still recognizable, while this is not actually based on a novel?
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I disagree. by
on 2016-07-31 18:09:00 UTC
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The Cursed Child wasn't hyped up to be the eight book. It was hyped up to be the eight "story" — the official continuation, so naturally people thought Rowling would have a lot more involvement in them. But the form wasn't important. If it was good and followed the rules established by other installments, it wouldn't matter if it was a stage play, a movie, or a comic book.
What's important is that this thing is canon. JKR greenlit Jack Thorne's script, so everything that happens in this play is confirmed to happen in Potterverse. As in, Voldemort. having. a bloody daughter. Or Harry being Atticus Finch-ed. Or a trolley witch turning out to be some kind of monster! By approving The Cursed Child JKR contravened everything she had established in previous books. JKR herself stated she didn't like the idea of Time-Turners in Prisoner of Azkaban (an info that as of now has disappeared from Pottermore):
"I went far too light-heartedly into the subject of time travel in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. While I do not regret it (Prisoner of Azkaban is one of my favourite books in the series), it opened up a vast number of problems for me, because after all, if wizards could go back and undo problems, where were my future plots?
I solved the problem to my own satisfaction in stages. Firstly, I had Dumbledore and Hermione emphasise how dangerous it would be to be seen in the past, to remind the reader that there might be unforeseen and dangerous consequences as well as solutions in time travel. Secondly, I had Hermione give back the only Time-Turner ever to enter Hogwarts. Thirdly, I smashed all remaining Time-Turners during the battle in the Department of Mysteries, removing the possibility of reliving even short periods in the future."
But surprise — here's a brand new Time-Turner that throws to garbage all the rules and limitations! The canon now contradicts itself!
As for the movies, while they did make minor changes, they still followed the story laid out by Rowling in her stories. They weren't ideas that came from Columbus's, or Yates's heads — they've already had the source to work on. I don't know how much was JKR involved in The Cursed Child's script, but from the looks of it she might as well have stamped her name only after reading it once. -
How does canon contradict itself? by
on 2016-08-02 10:56:00 UTC
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Why can’t Voldemort have a daughter? Because he thought he didn’t need and thus didn’t want an heir? That’s irrelevant. Bellatrix wanting his child and he just wanting sex would be sufficient to get it done. You believe that Voldemort was too busy being evil to think about sex? What did he actually do personally during HBP? You think Voldemort was asexual? Sorry, if JKR says he wasn’t then he wasn’t.
I don’t see what is bad about being Atticus Finch-ed, but then I’m not sure whether I ever read To Kill a Mockingbird. (If I did, the German translation got a title you probably wouldn’t recognize if I retranslated it, and I don’t remember much of the book I’m thinking of, specifically no protagonist’s names.)
The trolley witch actually being an enchanted vending machine that doesn’t have a life beyond the Hogwarts Express and turns into a monster when somebody tries to get off the train early doesn’t contradict anything in the books, so where’s the problem?
Apparently time travel was outlawed and building Time-Turners is illegal now, so we got a canonical reason for why the Ministry didn’t build new Time-Turners after the Battle of the DOM (the big hole in Thirdly, I smashed all remaining Time-Turners during the battle in the Department of Mysteries, removing the possibility of reliving even short periods in the future.)
Since it is not available in the current version of Pottermore, Eloise Mintumble’s backstory is now as uncanon as silver prefect badges and Hermione’s eleventh O.W.L. (I’m still bitter about the latter). The books only implied that time travel is dangerous, not going into any details, so changing the timeline in unpredictable ways being the only danger doesn’t contradict canon. (Being able to change everything back rather than producing new unpredictable results may still be a stupid plot.)
Are you claiming that talking shrunken heads and a dragon leaving her nest to chase Harry all over Hogwarts are ideas that came from Rowling’s head?
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Let's reverse that: by
on 2016-08-02 12:07:00 UTC
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Does having a daughter sound like something Voldemort would do? Even since his return he was set on taking over the Wizarding World and ensure that everyone knew he was back. It was his second chance, something that he failed to do previously, but now he could finally do it. I believe that would occupy most of his thoughts, rather than thinking about an heir. No, I've never called Voldemort asexual, but I think he had better things to do in HBP than taking one of his groupies for a roll in the hay. I guess I would be more okay with this whole concept if a) the badfics didn't destroy it previously, and b) there was any hint that Voldemort wants to preserve his legacy in any other form instead of himself - his desperate attempts to achieve immortality, and his Boggart of his own corpse, are more than enough evidence that he didn't want to be removed from this world, or "leave it to the kids" to continue what he started.
The Atticus Finch point, I admit repeating after somebody, since I haven't read neither of the two installments. Basically the explanation I was given is that in Mockingbird Finch defends a person of colour out of sheer will to help, only to become a racist in Watchman.
No, that's not a contradiction, that's just weird. There was no implication that the trolley lady is something more than just an employee. Although, I'm not sure if I'd call her a vending machine, she still sounds human. I've heard that this might've just been Human Transfiguration that she used, so I'm just gonna let that thing go.
My point about Time-Turner thing is that Mintumble's backstory gave us a valid explanation as to why there is no Temporal Manipulation in Harry Potter. Anything more than a few hours lead to nasty consequences for both the user and Time itself. Yes, I know there might be different models of Time-Turners, and the one Hermione got was just for a personal use, but if we get one that bypasses the rules and leaves absolutely no consequences for the user (Albus and Scorpius didn't age 20 years when they returned), then how is that a good plot point?
To be perfectly fair I liked the idea of the talking shrunken heads in Prisoner of Azkaban film. It didn't bring anything significant to the canon (as opposed to Voldemort's daughter and OP time machines). And the dragon sequence... yeah, done purely for action. Wasn't a fan. -
The point is, that... by
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"Hermione attempted to study thirteen subjects before she dropped two" was the perfect answer to the question why Hermione needed a Time-Turner when other students who got twelve O.W.L.s apparently didn’t. But since JKR changed the number of Hermione’s O.W.L.s to ten in a newer edition of HBP, this is no longer true. Just like that, all the wonderful rules and explanations from Mintumble’s backstory you want to be applied are no longer true, since the text has been changed (actually completely removed) in a newer edition. So you have to go with what is said in PoA and CC, and that isn’t contradictory.
Nobody claimed that Voldemort wanted a heir, it’s sufficient and in character that he didn’t care for the potential consequences of taking one of his groupies for a roll in the hay. And since JKR didn’t show us what occupied all of his time since Bellatrix escaped from Azkaban, he may have done whatever she wants him to have done. I don’t say we should like it, but it doesn’t contradict anything in the books.
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My, my... by
on 2016-07-31 15:35:00 UTC
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She's already firing denials like this? Looks like she's expecting some backslash. I cannot help but ask why...
'Canon' fanfic author have another name, ghost writers. Now, JKR didn't wirte the play, but she greenlighted it. She read it, and influenced it and said okay with the final result. It's like one of us asked someone else writing something about our aents, supervising the work, greenlighted the final product, then went all 'No, I didn't write that. It's that guy there. Blame them, not me.'
Now, I know the bold parts are yours, but insisting that hard about the fact she didn't write this the very day it was out... Someone is expecting backslash. And deserves it. -
Guys, guys, guys. by
on 2016-07-31 10:48:00 UTC
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You're all missing something here. In this mess of a script, there is a single, shining light of awesome. It's so brilliant, that if you focus on it, you can't see the rest of the script. (Thank goodness for that.) What is this wonderful light, you ask? Simple: It is incredibly obvious that Lord Voldemort loves Pokémon Go. He adores it, and is a part of Team Valor, probably because their team color is the same general color as blood. He loves it so much, he forces all his Death Eaters to play it, and when he takes control of the wizarding world, he forces the entire wizarding world to play Pokémon Go and swear allegiance to Team Valor. Of course, this means that we can all resist this abomination by choosing to play Pokémon Go and aligning ourselves with either Team Mystic or Team Instinct. Let's have fun, protest this horrible script, and ignore the dreadful canon 'update' we're protesting, all at the same time!
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Dear friends... Today is the day that the Clown cried. by
on 2016-07-31 08:22:00 UTC
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And he cries not for the passing of one franchise, but for the death of a dream. The dream that he would someday taste the ultimate pleasure of continuation of his beloved book series. For it was Harry Potter who made me the happy soul I am today. How I agonized over the perfect way to thank Rowling for that.
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But those dreams were dashed by the weaselly little book sitting there in our midst. The cowardly insignificant gonif who probably got lucky when Rowling slipped on the slime trail this loser left behind her. This mound of diseased hyena filth who's not fit to lick the dirt from my spats...!
But I digress. The time for sorrow has passed. It's time to look to a future filled with smiles. And I'll be smiling again just as soon as we take that book THERE... and slap it in that box THERE... and roll it into that vat of acid THERE! -
A few more things I have since learned: by
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(I'm getting updates as the book is read, if you're curious.)
The centaurs do indeed go off the rails from their original portrayal. Apparently they can sense "a darkness around [Harry's] son. Near [his] son." OotP Firenze would like to have a word with whoever thought of that.
Ron holding his wand the wrong way? It's not that he just holds it wrong. He holds it backwards. He comes running into the room to defend Hermione from a perceived threat and points his wand backwards. I can't even. This is not the Ron Weasley we know and love. This is a character who's been reduced to the stupidity seen in badfics. See for yourself:
And I'm not taking "It's the Bad Future!Ron, so it doesn't count" excuse. This guy has seen even more conflict than his canon counterpart. And he can't draw his own wand properly.
(Seriously, though, using Dumbledore's name in place of Merlin's? Wat?)
More to come as the ridiculousness spikes. I swear, I'm gonna MST this thing once I get my hands on a copy. -
MST? by
on 2016-07-31 22:26:00 UTC
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I'd bloody love do try that, though, I'll only really be able to offer jokespertise, not being all too familiar with the series.
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Will you MST the first eight movies too? (nm) by
on 2016-07-31 17:41:00 UTC
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No. by
on 2016-07-31 21:56:00 UTC
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Because the movies, while based on the same canon, are of their own continuity. That's why distinctions are made between bookverse and movieverse. Normally I'd say that this script that was released is part of the theaterverse... except Rowling has explicitly called it the "eighth story" and considers it to be canon for the books. Somehow.
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The difference there is... by
on 2016-07-31 19:10:00 UTC
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With the exception of Prisoner of Azkaban, the movies were actually good. I was a huge fan of the books, read them all multiple times and bought them as they came out, but with that one exception I actually liked the movies better than the books.
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Alright, I'm Curious by
on 2016-08-01 22:20:00 UTC
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What about the Prisoner of Azkaban movie did you not like? It's been a while since I read the book (college reading lists don't leave much time for pleasure reading), but I don't remember any glaringly terrible differences between the movie and the book, so is my memory just off?
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MST? by
on 2016-07-31 17:16:00 UTC
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Can I come?
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Count me in, too. (nm) by
on 2016-07-31 17:20:00 UTC
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Most bizarre moment ever: by
on 2016-07-31 11:10:00 UTC
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The trolley lady turns into freaking Wolverine.
I can't even. I heard about this from the spoilers but even this seemed too ridiculous to believe. Guess the IO showed me.
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What. by
on 2016-07-31 21:30:00 UTC
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To my knowledge, very few things can extend a wizard's lifespan. Examples include Horcruxes, Unicorn Blood, and The Philosopher/Sorcerer's Stone. A magic train that can make you seemingly immortal just takes the cake.
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Well, surely you've heard of... by
on 2016-07-31 21:59:00 UTC
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...Mr. Bones' Wild Ride.
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*Laughs uncontrollably* (nm) by
on 2016-08-01 19:23:00 UTC
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Count me in for the MST as soon as I get my hands on a copy! (nm by
on 2016-07-31 21:29:00 UTC
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What. (nm) by
on 2016-07-31 11:56:00 UTC
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... Rowling just sunk her career. (nm) by
on 2016-07-31 06:24:00 UTC
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Agreed. (nm) by
on 2016-07-31 15:05:00 UTC
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Well, we find out in four hours. by
on 2016-07-31 01:19:00 UTC
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A few friends of mine and I are going to the midnight release to see what's what as soon as possible. Still clinging to that last shred of hope that this is just an extremely elaborate internet prank. *crosses fingers*
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I am with you in spirit! (nm) by
on 2016-07-31 05:49:00 UTC
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Thanks For Reminding Me by
on 2016-07-31 01:19:00 UTC
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I'm doing a political internship this summer, and the election is next week, so I completely forgot this was happening. I'll still probably have to wait until after the election, but it's good to know.
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IÂ’ll withhold judgement until IÂ’ve seen the script. by
on 2016-07-28 22:11:00 UTC
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Currently, I have too many questions that aren’t answered by the spoilers I’ve seen.
True, there are lots of badfic elements. But as far as I know there is no law saying that a canon author is not allowed to write a canon-compliant parody of bad fanfic. Whether they are able to do it is another question. Which type of play is Harry Potter and the Cursed Child? A Comedy?
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It's not parody. by
on 2016-07-28 22:17:00 UTC
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It's supposed to be considered straight-up canon. See for yourself.
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CanÂ’t it be both? by
on 2016-07-29 09:42:00 UTC
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Events and characterization in the main timeline are canon. The alternate timelines are ridiculously improbable AUs to emphasize how dangerous time travel is. (If somebody could have calculated a greater than zero chance for Cedric the Death Eater happening, the side effects of changing the past wouldn’t be "unpredictable".) And Delphi got every Sue trait that is compatible with canon.
It may be possible to make all this sound plausible. Examples:
Theodore Nott worked with former members of the DOM’s time branch who got angry when Rufus Scrimgeour outlawed time travel, but not so angry that they joined the Death Eaters and were arrested after the Battle of Hogwarts.
Or:
The first wizards who explored time travel got on a wrong track and invented a device that barely did what it was expected to do, in an overcomplicated, dangerous and energy-consuming way that made it quite unreliable. But since this was the only known way to do it, it became generally believed to be the right way. New apprentices in the DOM’s time branch learned that this is how it should be done, and everybody tried to plagiarize the old patents, implementing minor improvements to make it look like original work while making it even more complex and unreliable. Only a complete outsider like Theo Nott, who had no idea of how to do it "right" could think of something genuinely new and actually do it better.
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Not sure it's all compatible with canon. (Spoiler, obv) by
on 2016-07-29 11:51:00 UTC
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I actually don't see much of a problem with Delphi's characterisation (ie, she's plausible), but, uh... Voldemort and Bellatrix? I mean, I can see it from Bellatrix, but Voldemort? Did anyone ever think he'd actually engage in that kind of relationship?
And, uhm. She was born 'a few months' before the Battle of Hogwarts, which took place (according to the Wiki) in May '98. So, uh... does that mean she was conceived immediately after Dumbledore's death? It would make 'a few' mean 'two', but I can't see it happening before then.
No, I'm going to go back to my first statement: that ain't Voldemort. What possible reason would he have for doing that?
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Why not? by
on 2016-07-29 17:54:00 UTC
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Voldemort is all about power and manipulation. For him, still being able to make a woman want it, despite his lack of attractiveness, may have been more satisfying than the actual act. Nobody claims that he intended to procreate. Or being able to make a woman want to bear his child may have given him the extra kick.
Also, I don’t see why it couldn’t have happened before Dumbledore’s death. Do you mean Voldemort and Bellatrix where too occupied and had no time to recreate? What exactly did they do in HBP?
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Eh, I don't see it. by
on 2016-07-29 19:08:00 UTC
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That doesn't strike me as the sort of power Voldy was into. He did magic and threats, not 'I can convince you to sleep with me'.
Also, seriously: it's Bellatrix. Remember how she fawned over him in Deathly Hallows? She'd sleep with him if he was a werewolf half-giant, half-Pukwudgie. There's no thrill in pulling that off. I just... don't see it as Voldemort's thing.
No reason it couldn't have happened before Dumbledore's death, no; I just figured a significant event would make a good place for it to slot in (inasmuch as there's any good place).
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Was Voldemort a one trick horse? by
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He didn’t always depend on threats and curses. At Hogwarts, everybody except Dumbledore thought that he was a likable person and tried to please him.
Voldemort didn’t simply want to be evil. He wanted and believed to be superior in everything. But he was still just a man. Taking the price many men expect to get for being superior – all the women, or for a starter the one readily available – may convey that he was not one hundred percent inhuman yet, giving his last choice more impact.
I can see Rowling doing this.
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And if that's the case... by
on 2016-07-29 12:40:00 UTC
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(And by "that", I mean Delphi being born before the Battle of Hogwarts)
...how is it that nobody noticed Bellatrix was pregnant while they were being held at Malfoy Manor? That wasn't exactly far off from the battle; unless she had a cryptic pregnancy or otherwise wasn't showing that late in her pregnancy. Yes, first-time mothers aren't as large, but not showing at all is extremely rare.
And going on for more "this directly contradicts canon" points:
1) Bane the centaur shows up at some point and blathers about how Albus' destiny is written in the stars, or something to that effect. We know from Firenze's Divination lesson in OotP, though, that the centaurs' methods of Divination are never so precise as that. And when they showed up in PS/SS, their main concern was that "Mars is bright tonight. Unusually bright." And later, "Always the innocent are the first victims."
2) I'd have to go digging to find the review, but one in particular took offense at Ron's portrayal, saying at one point he had to be shown how to properly hold a wand. I'm Really hoping that one's not true, because while Ron wasn't the best student, he wasn't an idiot.
3) Apparently the play claims that Voldemort became a bad guy because he was lonely and friendless. Direct contradiction to the "conceived via love potion, can't feel love" bit. Or the "Voldemort doesn't need or want friends" bit.
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I never liked the "conceived via love potion, can't feel love" bit. Did Merope’s choice matter so much that Tom Marvolo never got a choice? Or would he have been able to figure out how this thing called love does work, if he hadn’t chosen to dwell in loneliness and delusions of superiority?
Maybe Dumbledore, bitter about Tom not taking the chance he had offered when he didn’t warn everybody about his experience in the orphanage, got this wrong? Harry believed until the very end that Voldemort could redeem himself. Or did he tease Voldemort with an impossibility?
Maybe the point of Harry Potter and the Cursed Child is that there isn’t such thing like a Cursed Child, because choices always matter? (I still didn’t get the script.)
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Details and context? by
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0) While the trio were held in Malfoy Manor, they didn’t notice that there was a baby somewhere upstairs, born several months before the Battle of Hogwarts?
1) I need to see Bane’s exact words.
2) Was Ron shown how to properly hold a wand for a specific spell that requires a specific wand gesture Ron had never performed? (Learning never ends.)
3) How does "the play" claim anything? By making a character claim it? Are we supposed to believe this character? (Not everything printed in the Dayly Prophet is canon, although Rita Skeeter writing it is canon.)
The only reference I’ll trust is the official script.
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You'll just have to wait until the 31st, then, (nm) by
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Meanwhile, in the Anti-Crisis Bunker... by
on 2016-07-27 17:36:00 UTC
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*sips tea* Hi, everyone! Like the Bunker? I got it from the Roommates fanbase. It's lovely in here. Plenty of seating, cushy beanbags, I think even a pillow-fort in the corner. We have tea and coffee, cookies/biscuits, cake and pie... just about any comforting snack you can think of, really. If things start to get a bit too real out there, just come on in and pretend they aren't happening! Everything will be just fine if we only ignore it. ^_^
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Think I'll join the party? by
on 2016-07-29 14:20:00 UTC
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I bring with me twig tea.
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I've just had a brilliantly crackpot idea. by
on 2016-07-29 14:41:00 UTC
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Twig tea is made from the stems of tea plants.
You also make paper from wood.
Why can't you make paper that you can put into a mug of hot water to make tea?!
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Alternate, more thematic idea: a tea-twig wand. I imagine it's highly suited to soothing charms. (Are there soothing charms? There should be soothing charms.)
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Yeah, the wand makes sense. by
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Though the thing about paper is that its manufacture uses a looooot of unpleasant chemicals... though that said, rice paper is a thing... hm. Also the flavour probably wouldn't infuse properly due to the lack of surface area, and if you're going to make a strip of something made of tea in order to make tea, well, why not just use tea?
Also, don't think I didn't catch that Buffy ref. >=]
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on 2016-07-29 13:48:00 UTC
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I bought two whole boxes of Diet Coke in case everyone's thirsty! Along with multiple boxed sets of Godzilla movies, just in case. ;)
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I'll trade you anime for chocolate and coffee. by
on 2016-07-29 04:01:00 UTC
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Half of it's depressing, and we can watch it and say, "Well, at least it's not as bad as the real world." The other half is comedy, which will help reverse the effects of the depressing stuff.
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Yay, Roommates! *takes a cookie* by
on 2016-07-29 01:28:00 UTC
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Internet backlash is no fun for anyone. I also bring two decent-sized boxes of colored pencils, some small pencil sharpeners, a big bag of crayons (complete with crayon sharpener), a Buddhist mandala coloring book, a pony coloring book, and last but not least, a Disney coloring book. Have fun, y'all!
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*crawls in* by
on 2016-07-28 20:03:00 UTC
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*hands over boxed set of Avatar: The Last Airbender*
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*Plops down in a beanbag chair* by
on 2016-07-28 17:50:00 UTC
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I brought fortune cookies. Hopefully, something good will come out of them.
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Everything's fine, everything's fine. by
on 2016-07-28 15:19:00 UTC
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I brought marshmallows. Lots of marshmallows. Feel free, all.
[Perches in a corner and whittles a wand]
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Mind if I join you? by
on 2016-07-27 18:45:00 UTC
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I have movies (among them the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings movies, Ghostbusters [the original], The Incredibles, Inside Out, and The Lego Movie), the first three seasons of the Muppet Show, and assorted Mythbusters and Dr. Who episodes. I've also got lots of popcorn for us to watch them with.
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Everyone is welome! by
on 2016-07-28 00:45:00 UTC
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Ooh, Mythbusters! Seems appropriate—"I reject your reality and substitute my own" and all. *g*
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Unfortunately, I don't have that episode. by
on 2016-07-29 02:30:00 UTC
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I really need to fix that soon.
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Stocker carefully twisted the knob of his headset, by
on 2016-07-27 11:16:00 UTC
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and checked for lag. He considered looking left. Five seconds later, the drone looked left.
'Oh, bugger me.'
Five seconds later, a harsh, sharp voice crawled in from the speakers, grumbling 'Hooooh, buugggr mi.'
'Stupid bloody thing,' He hissed, shutting the intercom off and turning the knob again. The only thing for his voice to connect to was his drone, so the dumb thing connected to itself. He considered looking left.
The drone agreed.
'Thank God,' He muttered.
'Ffffflak hhhod,' the drone agreed.
Stocker grunted, and switched the intercom off, again. He'd done a bit of scanning earlier, and had picked up quite a collection of space scrap, just waiting for a worthy prospector such as Stocker to arrive and take advantage of. Stocker was an eternal professional, and took to the call like beer to the liver. He could have sworn he recognised the location, but was always one for the landscape over the numbers.
He'd chosen the real heavy stuff. Denton-Jensen M-66 Scrabber-Drone. It was practically a ship in itself, except you plugged yourself in from light-years away, rather than placing your fragile arse in a fragile chair in a fragile chassis, surrounded by decidedly un-fragile space junk.
The vision on the drone was still blurry, so he reached for another knob. All he could see was a bunch of black, with some grey splotches in the distance.
Stocker twisted the knob.
'Oh, bugger me.'
'OOooooooh, bgggrrrrrr m.'
Stocker shut the intercom off, and pulled the headset off, rubbing his eyes.
He put it on again.
'Oh, bugger me,' He mumbled, again.
'Ooooh, buuuuuggeer meee.'
Stocker shut the intercom off. So, that was where he recognised it from. Fair enough, then. All wars had to come to an end at some point.
There wasn't much of a sense to them, otherwise. Stocker was aware of that. It made perfect sense, in his head.
His eyes must have worked differently to his head, then, because the sight of Porter-moor station 02 floating, dead and broken through space, surrounded by warships and wreckage, all dark and dirty, seemed completely nonsensical to him.
Somehow, 'bugger me,' didn't seem an appropriate reaction, anymore.
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I am speechless. by
on 2016-07-27 00:33:00 UTC
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I guess they wanted to beat a dead horse. The existing ending was good enough, but no, they wanted to create an expanded universe. *Lumos*
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More like a cash cow. Or cash herd. Flock. Blessing. by
on 2016-07-27 03:57:00 UTC
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Honestly I don't expect the Potterverse will ever be left alone. It's living the unicorn blood life. A cursed life.
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Look at the reviews! Five Stars!? (nm) by
on 2016-07-27 00:40:00 UTC
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That's what hurts the most. by
on 2016-07-27 01:25:00 UTC
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I'd like to say I'm baffled that people think this is great, but then again, I've seen what the Pit is like. If "The Real Us" can get rave reviews, then something endorsed by Rowling as canon shouldn't be so surprising...
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And then there's The Hidden Oracle by
on 2016-07-27 18:53:00 UTC
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Which is THE BEST book in the series so far, but gets bad press for the Non-Hetero males.
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Non-hetero males by
on 2016-07-29 12:51:00 UTC
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Practically made the story for me :P
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*sighs* It seems that we are just a sliver of the Fandom. (nm) by
on 2016-07-27 02:10:00 UTC
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Well yeah by
on 2016-07-27 03:51:00 UTC
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There's what, a couple hundred people who have ever participated in the PPC and maybe a few thousand who have heard of it?Comparatively, I am pretty sure the number of Harry Potter fans out numbers the population of NYC.
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Take heart. by
on 2016-07-27 02:29:00 UTC
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And read the Reddit spoilers thread.
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Yeah... by
on 2016-07-26 22:01:00 UTC
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In light of what I've heard of that so-called story, no WAY am I touching it with a... uh... I don't think a ten-foot pole would come even close to cutting it in this case. As a matter of fact I doubt even a mile-long pole would, either.
...You know what, flock it. This utter travesty of a plot, in any adaptation, doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in annything discussing poles. Gross. -
*raises wand* Lumos. by
on 2016-07-26 21:57:00 UTC
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Okay, so help. by
on 2016-07-26 21:15:00 UTC
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I understand why Delphi is a dumb idea, I get that part. But can someone fill me in on what's so bad about the Time Turner plot? I saw a mention in the link of different Time Turners allowing different distances back, so - like Harry's Cloak - it seems like one could be 40 years better than the others without too much difficulty.
So... help me out, here?
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Long story short: by
on 2016-07-26 22:08:00 UTC
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Harry Potter has just gained their own version of the Star Wars prequels.
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I sense a disturbance in the Force. (nm) by
on 2016-07-29 01:35:00 UTC
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Long story a bit too short? by
on 2016-07-27 09:34:00 UTC
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The consensus seems to be that the worst things about the prequels were:
-Too much politics, not enough action.
-It's rubbish to see your villain as an annoying kid.
-Way too much CG instead of practical effects.
-A thoroughly unbelievable fall arc for the main character.
-Rubbish romance.
-Sub-par acting from some characters.
-Meesa!
But, uh... none of those would seem to apply to this?
So - as an honest question - in what way are they comparable? Other than 'because they're bad', which obviously wouldn't answer my first question about why they're bad. ^_~
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Meaning we need Harry Potter's version of Darths and Droids. (nm by
on 2016-07-26 22:27:00 UTC
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What are those... 'droids' you speak of, good sir? (nm) by
on 2016-07-26 22:27:00 UTC
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Raah, forgot to change back the name. (nm) by
on 2016-07-26 22:30:00 UTC
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Re: Long story short: by
on 2016-07-26 22:16:00 UTC
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(Forgot my name) (nm) by
on 2016-07-26 22:17:00 UTC
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For starters: by
on 2016-07-26 21:25:00 UTC
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JK Rowling said on Pottermore (in an article that has since been taken down, gee I wonder why):
"I went far too light-heartedly into the subject of time travel in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. While I do not regret it (Prisoner of Azkaban is one of my favourite books in the series), it opened up a vast number of problems for me, because after all, if wizards could go back and undo problems, where were my future plots?
"I solved the problem to my own satisfaction in stages. Firstly, I had Dumbledore and Hermione emphasise how dangerous it would be to be seen in the past, to remind the reader that there might be unforeseen and dangerous consequences as well as solutions in time travel. Secondly, I had Hermione give back the only Time-Turner ever to enter Hogwarts. Thirdly, I smashed all remaining Time-Turners during the battle in the Department of Mysteries, removing the possibility of reliving even short periods in the future.
"This is just one example of the ways in which, when writing fantasy novels, one must be careful what one invents. For every benefit, there is usually a drawback."
Then there's what an in-universe character had to say on the subject:
"As our investigations currently stand, the longest period that may be relived without the possibility of serious harm to the traveller or to time itself is around five hours. We have been able to encase single Hour-Reversal Charms, which are unstable and benefit from containment, in small, enchanted hour-glasses that may be worn around a witch or wizard’s neck and revolved according to the number of hours the user wishes to relive.
"All attempts to travel back further than a few hours have resulted in catastrophic harm to the witch or wizard involved. It was not realised for many years why time travellers over great distances never survived their journeys. All such experiments have been abandoned since 1899, when Eloise Mintumble became trapped, for a period of five days, in the year 1402. Now we understand that her body had aged five centuries in its return to the present and, irreparably damaged, she died in St Mungo’s Hospital for Magical Maladies and Injuries shortly after we managed to retrieve her. What is more, her five days in the distant past caused great disturbance to the life paths of all those she met, changing the course of their lives so dramatically that no fewer than twenty-five of their descendants vanished in the present, having been “un-born”.
"Finally, there were alarming signs, during the days following Madam Mintumble’s recovery, that time itself had been disturbed by such a serious breach of its laws. Tuesday following her reappearance lasted two and a half full days, whereas Thursday shot by in the space of four hours. The Ministry of Magic had a great deal of trouble in covering this up and since that time, the most stringent laws and penalties have been placed around those studying time travel." -
Okay (part 2)... by
on 2016-07-27 09:30:00 UTC
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... but isn't that exactly what the play seems to be showing? "how dangerous it would be to be seen in the past, to remind the reader that there might be unforeseen and dangerous consequences as well as solutions in time travel" in particular looks like practically a mission statement for Cursed Child. And all that stuff about time breaking down...
The massive-aging problem is probably the biggest one you mention, and it does seem fairly conclusive. But there's even wriggle room built into it - the 'benefit from confinement' aspect could mean that the Time-Turner has stabilised the aging issue over the length of its operation. Perhaps the initial attempt (pre-1899) used a Year-Reversal Charm, but was mothballed after the Mintumble incident.
I'm afraid I still don't understand. It sounds like you're saying a play showing time travel is bad, is itself bad, because JKR and someone in-universe said that time-travel is bad... which I'm sure isn't what you're saying, so what are you saying?
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She contradicts what's already established. by
on 2016-07-27 11:03:00 UTC
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From what we've already been told, experimentation with long-distance time travel (long time time travel?) has been severely restricted ever since the Mintumble incident, and even if experimentation had gotten to the point where they were able to time travel back not mere hours, but decades, what are the immense odds that the only two experimental time turners able to do that not only survived the destruction in the Department of Mysteries, but ended up in the hands of the people where they'd be most crucial to the plot? There's coincidences that move the plot forward, and then there's coincidences that are just plain outrageous.
Even ignoring the aging issue, how do Albus and Scorpius get away with altering the past so much only for things to instantly reset to normal once they go back? Yes, we had the My Immortal-esque alternate timeline, but that got eradicated with no noticeable side effects on the present timeline. When Mintumble did her thing, she "caused great disturbance to the life paths of all those she met, changing the course of their lives so dramatically that no fewer than twenty-five of their descendants vanished in the present, having been “un-born”" It doesn't outright say she directly interfered with their lives, just that she crossed paths with them (a rather tenuous interpretation, I know, so feel free to ignore it), which reads to me like the butterfly effect. And that's not getting into the problems her time travel caused for the present, what with Tuesday lasting two and a half days and Thursday only four hours. None of that happened in the play. Just go back, hit a reset button, and don't worry about having to deal with the consequences that should have arisen.
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Okay, I can see that. by
on 2016-07-27 11:24:00 UTC
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A few points I'm going to draw out:
-I hadn't twigged that there were two long-range Time-Turners involved. That, I agree, takes it out of 'single prototype' territory and into 'outrageous coincidence'.
-I don't think the Mintumble Effect is a full-on butterfly effect - it's way too limited! Only 25 people stopped existing, after 500 years? Either she literally appeared in a sealed cave and telepathically communicated with one person, or history in the Potterverse is very resilient.
Actually, we know it is, because it's possible for schoolkids to use a (short-range) Time Turner without changing anything. I think the setting works on the principle of 'if you're trying to keep things the same, you'll probably succeed'. Plus, of course, the usually counterpart: 'if you try to change things, it'll go out of control'.
So is it resilient enough to let them restore it to normal after their shenanigans? That's one for debating, I think.
-Why didn't next Wednesday run backwards, or some other time-breaks-down events? Well... who says it doesn't? >:D Maybe the sun never rises again after the night the play ends. But no, I agree that canonically listing side-effects and then ignoring them when convenient is bad.
-I get the feeling your objection isn't really centred on the contradiction of minor points of the canon, but on the fact that Cursed Child is pretty much Back to the Future - 'kid tries to make things better for his parents in the past but accidentally deletes himself', for instance - and that you don't think a Back to the Future storyline really fits the Potterverse. That, plus you don't like the dark timeline - is that because of the specific details of it, or just on general principles?
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Well, this just got even wonkier. by
on 2016-07-28 05:43:00 UTC
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I reread the summary again and it turns out, the Time-Turners weren't relics from the Department of Mysteries— they were experimental ones designed by Theodore Nott... for Lucius Malfoy?
That just opens up an entirely new can of worms. How the heck did he manage to develop in the span of about twenty years (assuming he started working on this at the end of Deathly Hallows) what the entire Department of Mysteries could not in centuries? How the heck did he manage to experiment with time so well he was apparently able to create not one, but two long-distance Time-Turners without causing any temporal distortions or anybody noticing? Was he just that good so as to get it on the first try? (Well, apparently not, because one of the Time-Turners is a prototype for the other, but still!) And what was Lucius Malfoy going to do with a Time-Turner, anyway?
...please tell me he was trying to set up this.
But seriously, AVPS jokes aside, I just don't get it. The script had better explain what's going on and why because otherwise I call major shenanigans.
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A study of Time-Turners and the Mintumble Effect(s). by
on 2016-07-28 14:22:00 UTC
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Every witch and wizard who has heard the words 'Time' and 'Turner' placed together knows that they represent an inordinately dangerous piece of magic. Created by encasing an Hour-Reversal Charm in an enchanted sandtimer, the Time-Turner has the ability to transport its bearer back into the past. They are the only exception to the absolute ban on time-travel magic, a ban which every Minister has confirmed for over a hundred years.
Yet the danger of time travel is both greater and less than some students might think. Certainly, it is possible to erase yourself from history (for example by Obliviating your grandparents to forget their marriage), and indeed to alter the course of events quite substantially - imagine an unscrupulous or incautious time traveller Stunning A. Dumbledore during his celebrated duel with Grindelwald. But some of the dangers have been overstated, or perhaps mitigated; and this is best discussed in the context of the tragic fate of Madam Eloise Mintumble.
In 1899, Madam Mintumble travelled back on a study trip to the year 1402. Her trip ran far longer than anticipated, and on her return a number of Effects (later named after her) were observed.
The First Mintumble Effect: On her return to the present of 1899, Madam Mintumble immediately aged five centuries (less three years), and died shortly thereafter. The First Effect is simply this: that any travel forward in time will cause the traveller to age accordingly, whatever speed that time may pass at. This Effect is not alleviated by the common Time-Turner, and is one reason for the five-hour rule regarding these instruments.
Rumour has it, however, that Theodore Nott successfully negated the First Effect in his two illicit Time-Turners. Unlike common Time-Turners, the Nott variety are designed to take the operator back to a certain time, and then return them to the present. The initial prototype allowed only a five-minute stay, while the second instrument extended the limit indefinitely. Given Nott's known skills, it is possible the Nott Turners contain some manner of potion to negate the First Effect. Alternately, they may be designed to project or displace the user into the past, rather than utilising time travel as it is normally understood.
The Second Mintumble Effect: From Madam Mintumble's deathbed testimony (obtained by Legilimency), it is known that at least 25 persons who existed in 1899 before her trip were 'un-born' due to her actions. Yet the impact of her five days in 1402 is far less than might be expected: the general course of both magical and non-magical history continued exactly as before, despite the absence of several family lines and all their interactions with the world. Other persons of similar nature simply found themselves in the same circumstances - most famously in the case of Anne Boelyn, witch and wife of King Henry VIII, who according to Madam Mintumble's memories, ought to have been a woman named Elizabeth Spindle.
Thus, the Second Mintumble Effect is: the past may be changed, but it is broadly resilient. The reverse is also true: should a traveller alter a major historical event (as happened in the Potter/Malfoy incident), the existence of people in the present is unlikely to be endangered, unless their lives directly depend on said event.
The Third Mintumble Effect: The third effect is the most serious, and the least understood. Following Madam Mintumble's trip, rescue, and death, ripples began to be felt in the fabric of time itself. The famous statement that 'Tuesday following her reappearance lasted two and a half full days, whereas Thursday shot by in the space of four hours' is, so far as can be determined, precisely correct. But this effect had not been observed in previous experiments, which had also not run afoul of the Second Effect. It seemed that the Third Effect occured only as a result of the Second: if history is changed, time's flow is disrupted in the present.
The five-hour rule for regular Time Turners was instituted primarily to prevent such effects: it prevents a witch or wizard causing significant changes in events that have already occured. Whether the Nott Turners were able to overcome the Third Effect as they had the First is unknown - according to the Minister's testimony, all the changes made to history were rectified before enough time had passed to observe the Third Effect in action. We have no evidence to show that this is not the case, nor that there has been any of the mass memory manipulation that would be needed to cover up a Third Effect incident.
~Huinesoron, Professor of Magical Artefacts, &c
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I have a question, Professor, or some by
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The Time-Turner used by Hermione Granger during her third year appears to be a one-way device. Harry and Hermione traveled three hours back in time and then simply relived these three hours to catch up to present time and sneak in to take the place of their younger selves who just vanished to the past. Hermione obviously did something similar whenever she used the Time-Turner to sit in a classroom or do homework (or sleep) while she was also sitting in another classroom. It isn’t surprising that wizards who tried to use this type of Time-Turner to travel several centuries back in time did never return.
So, isn’t the First Mintumble Effect just: "Catching up from 1402 to 1899 took 497 years, and since Madam Mintumble was in no state to sneak in and replace her younger self, her corpse was only found five days later near the place where she had vanished; this was misinterpreted as Madam Mintumble having spent five days in 1402"? This would be consistent with PoA, but is contradicted by the official statement "... she died in St Mungo’s Hospital for Magical Maladies and Injuries shortly after we managed to retrieve her."
Was Madam Mintumble brought back by the safeguard we see in Theo Notts prototype, but in her case it was set to five days rather than five minutes? This contradicts "we managed to retrieve her" and "Eloise Mintumble became trapped, for a period of five days". How did she expect to return before the safeguard kicked in? Should the safeguard have been set to a shorter time? Also, if a safeguard was always there, shouldn’t it have kicked in for Hermione? Catching up to the present time through reliving the hours she traveled back doesn’t help. Technically, Harry and Hermione are still three hours in the past because, had they stayed in the natural timeline, they should already be three hours further in the future when they finally catch up to what they think of as "present time". Five days (or whatever time the safeguard is set to) after they traveled to the past, the safeguard should kick in and make them skip three hours to re-establish the natural timeline.
Did Madam Mintumble (or the rescue team that "retrieved" her) use a more advanced Time-Turner that actually had a travel-forward function? How would this be applied? Turn counter-clockwise to travel back in time and turn clockwise to travel forward? Would travelling to the furture be possible? And why could the rescue team not travel further back and "retrieve" Madam Mintumble when she had only spent some hours in 1402?
May the text have been taken down because the upcoming time-travel plot made somebody re-think it and they realized that it’s nonsense?
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Not precisely, dear enquirer. by
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The Time-Turner per se didn't exist in 1899; they are a specialised magical artefact designed to mitigate the Mintumble Effects - a stabilised time-reversal charm with strict limits on range. Rather, Madam Mintumble cast her own temporal reversal charm, the incantation for which is strictly controlled by the Department of Mysteries.
Her retrieval, so far as can be determined from the records, was accomplished by a modified Prior Incantato spell. Researchers have proposed various methods by which this might have been accomplished: some speculate that Madam Mintumble's wand was left behind in 1402, and thus was present in the Department of Mysteries to be directly interacted with; others propose that a wand with matching core was obtained, and somehow a Priori Incantatum effect was induced across time; still others, that the Unspeakables were able to access and reverse the charm simply through the room in which it was cast.
Whatever the case, it seems that Madam Mintumble's rescue was effected five days after her departure, and left her spending five days in the past. No other witches or wizards travelled back to collect her, or else they would have been equally affected by the First Effect: the returning spell simply dragged her through the timestream at high speed, allowing the aging process to continue. (It has been speculated that this, rather than the Second Effect, is the direct cause of the Third Effect shockwave; understandably, no research has been conducted.)
There was no safeguard on the charm used by Eloise Mintumble. It is unlikely, in fact, that a single-cast spell such as she used could even be safeguarded.
As for the Minister for Magic: in a rare interview following the Albus/Scorpius affair, she confirmed that she has 'always felt older than [she] should be', and that she believes her use of the Time-Turner at Hogwarts added a month or more to her age. The safeguard on her Time-Turner only limits the distance back one can travel in a single casting (and induces a cool-down period to prevent multiple castings); it does not include a 'spring-back' effect. The Nott prototype's 'spring-back' is unique, and a consequence of the Turner's unique construction.
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Quoting Nesh and the Mithbusters... by
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We can only go as people already did for Episode One, Madoka Rebellion and similar: pretend the Cursed Child does not exist.
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Cursed Child? by
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What the hell is a Cursed Child?
What's it made of?
Is it a Mexican dessert?
Sounds like something nonexistent, yet, very, very stupid.
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I'm just one of those people who gets hung up on details. by
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If the contradictions hadn't been already established, I think the whole "go back and change time to see what might have been" plot could have been interesting, if cliché, but the devil is in the details (ack, it's definitely bedtime, it took me five minutes trying to think how that phrase started. But yeah, contradictions like this are why I shout at the TV while watching Doctor Who). As it stands, though, Albus and Scorpius really shouldn't have been able to break canon like they did and it just bugs me, to put it mildly. I wasn't even thinking Back to the Future, but now that you've said it, that sounds about right. :P I was thinking of it in more AU terms.
The dark future itself could have been better done, IMO. It was a great idea in concept, but in execution it just sounded extremely cheesy to me. "For Voldemort and valor"? The Scorpion King? Bleh.
(As a side note, remember how Hermione had to turn over her time turner the number of hours she wanted to go back? I just love the mental image of the boys standing there while turning the hourglass over and over and over and over and over... even if that's not what happened.)
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I think I get it. by
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I think to some extend I'd need to see how it actually falls out in practice before declaring JK Rowling a Suethor. Fiction is littered with evil regimes who have little slogans to start or end conversations with - they show up quite often in high fantasy, usually when the Good Guys have to infiltrate a temple or palace without giving themselves away. Though honestly, given Riddle's character, I can't imagine he'd accept not being Lord Voldemort in their catchphrase.
(Crackpot theory: they do it because Voldemort literally told them to. And he told them to because that timeline also includes the tracking jinx - so it lets him know exactly where everyone is any time he wants. Think about it, he'd do it and all.)
(As to The Scorpion King... yeah, nah. "There is only one Lord of the Rings", etc - Voldy would hate that.)
I'm gonna keep that image of turning the turner some 175,000 times and treasure it forever. :D I wonder what kind of RPMs you can put in a Time-Turner before it shatters? Is there a spell for that?
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It's not possible. Meyer bribed people to propose her fanfic of Harry Potter and show she's the 'best'. There is no way in any possible 'verse that Rowling approved this... waste of ink, paper and time.
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"My lady! I bear grave news!" by
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The tiny bat fluttered in through the window, a scroll clutched in her feet.
"What's the matter, Charlotte?" Lady Iximaz asked, a furrow creasing her brow. Charlotte landed on the desk and folded her wings anxiously, not saying a word.
Lady Iximaz popped open the seal on the scroll and read it. Her hands shook and the parchment fell to the floor as she slowly sat back in her chair, staring blankly at the wall. There she stayed, frozen in place, her mind racing as she tried to comprehend what she had previously thought to be impossible.
"Hey, Ixi?" her brother said, poking his head into the room. "I've got some more notes on the scrying system I've been devising and though you'd like—oh no. What happened? What's wrong?"
Lady Iximaz slowly looked up. There were tears in her eyes. "It appears... the last of Air'ihpotre has fallen to the Marizu."
(Of course, I'm still clinging to that one last hope that it's still a hoax, or it won't be so bad once we get to see the script for ourselves... but ouch.) -
The rumors had troubled her for some time. by
on 2016-07-29 04:29:00 UTC
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She had not ventured into Air'ihpotre since her first visit to the Federation of Academia, yes, but she remembered and enjoyed its famous stories all the same. She had been curious but not driven to investigate whispers of the newest tale, though one particular detail from it--that a famed witch actually had dark skin rather than the assumed light--had intrigued her.
But this...
"They're saying it's fallen? Is this true?" she asked.
Diane nodded sadly. "As far as I've heard. My lady, I know you're very...protective of things that you loved as a child. For your own health, please, do not look into these dark rumors any more than you have to. I beg you. I can't bear to see you get that angry again. Especially after the last barbarian..."
eatpraylove sighed. "Thank you for your work and your concern, Diane. I will protect my mind the best way I know how: By finally finishing Air'ihpotre's most famous story."
"You haven't finished reading it?" asked Miguel. "But it's been done for almost four years! You were outside that bookshop when they announced the final volume had arrived!"
"That was my mother," said eatpraylove. "Miguel, I told you, I had to process the ending of the fifth part and then got sucked into Federation affairs. And there are so many other things in this world to read and learn about! ...I will finish the saga. I owe it to myself, if not some of my fellow knights."
Diane curtsied. "I hope you enjoy it, my lady. Do you need me for anything else?"
"You and your son are dismissed. Thank you again."
Once the fairies had gone, she put her head in her hands. "Fallen to Marizu...I knew they had troubles, but I always thought the will of their people and Jaikaiar was strong enough to overcome any barbarian.
"Mighty Kanon, I pray that Jaikaiar's champions be protected and healed, and that their land be restored. It has gone through so much pain and suffering." -
News from Tamblor. by
on 2016-07-28 15:01:00 UTC
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"My lady... oh, I'm sorry."
Lady Kaitlyn extracted herself from her husband's arms and smiled at Freckles. "Don't worry about it," she said. She glanced at the bundle of papers in the messenger's hand. "News from Tumblar?"
"From Tamblor," Freckles corrected. "It's... my lady, it's..."
"Why did the Chaetters have to name their town after somewhere that already existed?" Kaitlyn shook her head. "It's thoroughly unreasonable."
Huinesoron, now leaning against the wall, gave a cough that sounded suspiciously like "El-Jheycom".
Kaitlyn glared at him. "That's different."
"I never said it wasn't."
"Hm." Kaitlyn turned back to the breathless messenger. "Well, then: what news?"
Freckles bit her lip, then held out one of the messages. "It... here."
Her mistress took the paper. She skimmed the first few lines, then went back and read them more carefully. Her eyes widened as she read, and her hand began to tremble.
"Kaitlyn?" Huinesoron stepped closer. "What...?"
"The Marizu," his wife said in a hollow voice. "They've... Air'ihpotre, it's..." She drew in a deep breath. "Air'ihpotre has fallen to the Marizu. The flag of Roe Lin flies over Hockwart now."
"What?" Huinesoron tried to pull the paper from her fingers, but she refused to let go. "That's impossible. What about their campaigns in the west? What about the war-beasts they were rumoured to be breeding in the Valley of Fantastic Beasts?"
"Armies and monsters mean almost nothing when your armies have no hope," Kaitlyn said. She held the page out to him. "Jaikaiar has declared her support for Roe Lin."
Huinesoron's jaw dropped. "But she's always been the staunchest supporter of-"
"Has she?" Kaitlyn demanded. "Think about it! Hasn't she decried the deaths during the Hallowed Campaign as 'unnecessary'? Didn't she commend the Harmony Fleet for their strength and persceptiveness, even as they unloaded fresh troops for Roe Lin's assaults? Is she not," she went on, her face turning grim, "the mage behind the Curse of the White Scorpion which felled the walls of Hockwart itself?"
"But," Huinesoron spluttered, "but-"
"The Guardians of Hockwart owe alliegence to her," Kaitlyn said, "and they were seen arrayed alongside the Beasts of the Isle of Morn in the battle lines of Roe Lin. There can be no doubt." She laid the sheet of paper almost reverently on her desk, then crumpled back into her seat. "It's..." She lowered her head, covering her face with her hands. "It's just like the Weaver all over again..."
Well. That's that. (Now I have to redraw the maps...)
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Skypcht's library was quiet, this late in the afternoon. by
on 2016-07-27 19:13:00 UTC
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Thanasius Ampelius closed the book he was reading and put it down on the table with a gentle thud. “What is it, Einar?” he asked the man who approached him, scroll in hand.
“I think you should read it for yourself, milord,” the bright-haired mage replied.
“Very well.” The Baron took the scroll from the mage and used the book he put down and a large piece of amber to force it to stay flat for a while. He read it twice, then tugged at his goatee and looked up. “It’s confirmed?”
“Aye. Eyewitnesses.”
“Then the Marizu have struck another blow at the Scholars’ Empire.” Thanasius sighed. “Please deliver this message to the Seneschal and Karrin the Blue in the Monastery; they ought to know, too.”
“Whatever will you do, milord?” Einar seemed to perk up as he asked this question.
“What I always do. It is not something that is in my ability to change.” Thanasius handed the scroll back to the mage.
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Sir Hardric was in an inn of Borrd when he heard the news. by
on 2016-07-26 21:42:00 UTC
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At first, he thought it was some mistake. Then a sick joke. Then he denied it could even be possible.
But there was no possible way to avoid the sad reality. His country was now nothing but a den of Marizu, its former glory now completely forgotten.
It took him quite moment to collect himself, but once it was done, he went in his room in order to take Legard, the tome of Nicodelli and donning his armor. He then exited the inn, putting on his burgonet helmet. Saving Air'ihpotre could be impossible, but surely some sort of revenge could be found...
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"...You have GOT to be flocking KIDDING me." by
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"Nope," said Falchion, perched upon his master's gloved arm. "Totally real."
"No. I refuse to believe it," Skaer'morys growled.
"Sir Hardric did, too. But there's nothing anyone can do anymore. It's over." The bird bowed his head sadly.
But Skaer'morys facepalmed. "No. It isn't. It ISN'T! There's gotta be some sort of remaining stronghold, there HAS to be."
"The Valley of Fantastic Beasts, perhaps?" the metallic bird suggested. "Surely there'd be survivors hiding there..."
Rashida, who had had her hunger sated the hour before and had been trying to doze off before Falchion's news had disturbed her, shook her whiskered head. "That valley hasn't been inhabited for centuries. I don't know what lurks within there, either, but I doubt there's any way one would be able to build even a log cabin within a mile of the place, let alone a functioning village."
"I'd take any number of dangerous creatures over a Marizu any day," replied Skaer'morys, his eyes blazing. "That settles it. We're going to Air'ihpotre."
Falchion nearly fell off his master's arm. At the same time, Rashida's hackles raised as she let out a sudden roar. "WHAT?!"
"I didn't say right now," replied Skaer'morys. "But we have to go there as soon as we can."
"Master, that's a patented Very Bad Idea!" Falchion cried, his bladed feathers ruffling. "Regardless of whether or not there are still survivors taking refuge in the valley you speak of, the rest of the place has been utterly overrun. We'd be dead before we even set foot within the border!"
"I'll take my chances," said Skaer'morys. "I may have left a few things behind after I visited that realm a few years ago, and it's about time I got them back. Besides, if Sir Hardric's going there like you said, there's plenty of reason for us to back him up."
"Master, please," said Rashida. "I am one of the oldest, most experienced monsters you've mastered to date, and as someone with such an esteemed position, I have be honest with you: I don't care about you or your problems. This is suicidal, and nothing can convince us otherwise!"
Skaer'morys shook his head. "If we don't go, Sir Hardric will be venturing there on his own. And on top of that, if we stay here and do nothing, we'll know if there are any survivors left, let alone if any have hidden in the valley. Sorry, guys, but we've got no other choice."
Falchion shuddered. "I still think this is a bad idea."
"You and me both," replied Rashida.
"Then let's get to it!" Skaer'morys gazed off into space, his expression betraying a glimmer of hope. "C'mon, you two. There's a certain knight out there who could use our help."
(tl;dr: This whole debacle is making me more eager for the Fantastic Beasts movie than ever, though that's not saying much. And Hardric, I'd be totally down for doing a Potterverse co-write mission with you sometime! If you're interested too, well, you have my e-mail. ;D) -
Matthias was in his shop when he heard the news by
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It was a slow day, one he spent practicing the martial art of Puz An Do, the same art and design style he modeled his Psychopomp's Hand and Seamaiden's Chains after. Presently, he was utilizing his Dizzy Chord keystone to find a partner to practice high level Technical patterns with. He was flicking his way through the Magic Circles produced and projected into the air above the stone, when he noticed a commotion occurring in the circle connecting him and his fellow Knights.
He moved the circle front and center and spread his fingers, causing the circle to display the runes the Knights were communicating with. While he didn't know the exactly wording, magic allowed him to know the words almost instinctively.
Air'ihpotre had fallen
He had only ventured in the area's borders, but he understood weight of the event. He briefly paused briefly, but moved to his armory. Fully equipped, he walked out into the streets.
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;-; Good-bye, childhood. I'll miss you. (nm) by
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Justice League Dark is coming!!! by
on 2016-07-27 12:50:00 UTC
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After kinda controversial adaptation of arguably the darkest Batman story ever (talking of course about The Killing Joke here), DC Animated announced their next animated film:
JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK! (Enjoy the Sneak Peek)
My favourite team of DC heroes will finally appear on small screen, and Matt Ryan reprises his role as John Constantine! What a day to be alive! :D -
YAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY!!!! by
on 2016-08-03 03:48:00 UTC
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But will he smoke? That's the important thing for Johnny. Will he light up every five seconds?! I HAVE TO KNOW!
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I Love This Shift That's Going On In Comic Movies by
on 2016-08-01 22:41:00 UTC
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I've always liked a lot of the obscure, C and D class characters in comics, so the fact that we're getting Suicide Squad, the Defenders, Justice League Dark, Guardians of the Galaxy (again), and a couple of the B listers (hey there Captain Marvel and guy who used to be Captain Marvel) in the spotlight is basically a dream come true.
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Huh. I had no idea this was a thing. by
on 2016-08-01 10:39:00 UTC
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Now that I have been informed of its thingness, I am very much intrigued.
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The DC Universe is a big and mysterious place... (nm) by
on 2016-08-01 17:17:00 UTC
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Paging Nesh of the Mehs by
on 2016-07-29 19:31:00 UTC
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If you'd be so kind and drop me a message, that'd be sweet! :3