Sunlight filled the Courtyard, providing a perfect backdrop for the unusual setup placed there. Where there was once just a flat expanse of grass, several rows of chairs sat facing a small gazebo. Behind the back row stood an odd trio of well-dressed PPC agents.
Chakkik tugged at his collar. “I have the feeling that I am overdressed for the occasion.”
“Duzzat even exist, Chak?” The short, horned redhead looked curiously at her former partner. She was clad in a plain green dress, with a low neckline and a skirt that fell just short of her ankles. The simple affair ended with a pair of dark green slippers.
Chakkik, however, was dressed well enough to put James Bond to shame. He wore a spotless tuxedo, his hair was even better-groomed than normal, and a black tie topped it off. However, there were telltale bulges of something thicker and more durable underneath it. “At least I am not dressed in the manner of a Westerosi lord. That would raise eyebrows.”
“And probably a few questions of broken quarantine.” Stephanie Podd was dressed as she normally was, though this was a matter of practicality. No dress existed that could accommodate her eight legs and two tentacles. “I’m so jealous of you two, you have normal legs and arms… you can actually wear fancy clothes! And...”
Chakkik turned to his suddenly silent partner. “Stephanie?”
She reeled him in for a hug, though only with her arms. “I’m sad that Cupid couldn’t come… but I’ve got my friends with me, and that’s what matters!”
Much to Gabby’s surprise, Chakkik raised an arm and patted her shoulder. “Indeed. We are here to celebrate, after all.”
“Jesus, Chak, wot happened to yeh while I was in the Ee-Sass? You weren’t nearly this friendly when I was workin’ with ya..”
“Time, trauma and a great deal of alcohol.”
“... y’know what, I think I won’t ask.” She turned away from the much larger man.
Chakkik allowed himself a smug grin. “One more thing: your absence.”
“Oh, har har.”
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((Yes, I know I'm nine days early. Honestly, though, do you guys really think that we'd be able to fit this, the wedding, AND the reception into one day? I don't. Thus, the first part of the Vance wedding, the arrival of the guests, starts today.
If you've forgotten, the agents invited (and their plus-ones) are:
The Aviator, DMS (plus the Guardsman, DIA)
Zeb, DMS (plus Maxwell, DIA)
Desdendelle, DF
Dawn McKenna, DMS
Kozar, DIC (plus T'zar, DoGA)
The Reader, DIC
Rayner Blitzkrieg, DMS (plus Lapis Lazuli, DIC)
Evangeline von Lilith, DMS
Falchion, DF (plus Sarah Squall, DIC)
Velociripper, DF
Wobbles the Clown, DF
Chakkik, DMS (plus Stephanie Podd, DMS)
Adéle Bowen, DoSAT
Zeke, DoSAT
Gabby, ESAS
If you're not on this list, don't take it personally. I limited this to agents that have canonically interacted with Valon, Kala, or the invitees.))
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Vance Wedding: Arrival RP by
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“Ow! Hey, watch the fur!” by
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“Sorry!” The Aviator pulled several strands of Zeb’s mane out from his bow tie and straightened it carefully. “Better?”
“Yeah, loads.” Zeb gave her a rather toothy grin. “Right, I’m gonna go get Maxwell. See you at the ceremony!”
The Aviator stood and smoothed out her knee-length skirt, plucking Luxray hairs off the fabric. Not that the blue on blue was very noticeable. “And I have to get Emiran, too,” she said, following him out the door. “Mind if I come with?”
“Nah, not at all!”
The agents parted ways once they reached DIA Central, Zeb bounding eagerly off in one direction while the Aviator went the other. After a bit of wandering, she stopped outside the all-too-familiar door and knocked.
A few moments later, the Guardsman opened the door. He was dressed in a black suit and was desperately trying to tie a black bow tie around his neck with no success. “Arin! Great timing. Do you know how to tie this infernal ribbony thing?”
“Oh, now you ask for help?” came Terabyte’s voice from inside the RC. “I could’ve simply looked it up on the Internet and done it for you fifteen minutes ago!”
The Guardsman flapped a hand at his robotic partner. “Shh. We’re past that now. So! Arin. Bow tie. Can or can’t do?”
“Tied one for Zeb not five minutes ago,” the Aviator said, grinning. She waved at Terabyte before motioning for the Guardsman. “C’mere, pops.”
The Guardsman leaned forward to let the Time Lady work. “Humans, eh? With their silly little neck-things and such. You know that this is a choking hazard, right? Why can’t they wear ceremonial collars like real civilized peoples? Gah, I miss my dress robes. They looked nicer than this ‘suit’ thing.”
“If ties are a choking hazard, ceremonial collars are a hazard to everyone who happens to get to close.” The Aviator finished tying the Guardsman’s bow tie and stepped back. “Not to mention, they’re a door hazard, too.”
“Then just build wider doorways,” grumbled the Guardsman, touching his bow tie. “Right. So... where to?”
“The Courtyard,” the Aviator said. “Been helping the happy couple get it decorated for a while now, it looks great.” She hooked her arm through the Guardsman’s. “Shall we?”
The Time Lord smiled. “Onwards to food! And the ceremony. But also the food.”
“Food is good,” the Aviator agreed. “The ceremony…” She grimaced. “Well, if the Notary’s behavior at rehearsals last night is anything to go by, it should hopefully—” She broke off and cast a wary glance at the ceiling. “That was close.”
“Don’t tempt the IO, please. Not now, not today.”
“Yeah, Kala would murder me if anything happened and it was my fault.”
When the Time Lords arrived at the Courtyard, the Aviator gave the Guardsman a one-armed hug. “Right, gotta go see to the bride. I’ll catch you at the reception, alright?”
The Guardsman returned the hug. “Sure thing. I’ll just... be here. Existing. Alone. As a plus one,” he said with a mock look of sadness.
“If you don’t like it you can go home,” the Aviator said, sticking her tongue out. She looked around at the already-assembled guests and pointed. “Look, Zeb and Maxwell are over there, you can sit with them.”
“Right-o. See you in a bit, then,” said the Guardsman, pulling off a quick two-fingered salute and walking towards Zeb and his hyperactive plus one.
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She found Kala in a small tent off to the side... by
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... currently struggling with her voluminous dress. Strangely, the skirt didn't seem to be the problem, despite the fact that she remained in girtablilu shape.
"Grr... I hate being short... Oh, hi there, Ave!" Kala's bad mood dissipated the moment she saw the maid of honor. "Uh... you mind helping me with this thing? I've got short arms, I can't reach the strings in the back."
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"Kala," the Aviator sighed. by
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The Aviator stepped to the side and tried to reach the ties, but Kala's scorpion body was too wide for her to reach. "I thought we agreed you'd wait to get dressed until I got here to help," she said, vaulting up onto Kala's back and quickly finishing the job. She tugged the strings into a neat bow and smiled. "There, done."
She jumped down and quickly straightened her skirt, mumbling Gallifreyan curses at it, before looking around. "Er, tent seems awfully empty. Where's the flower girl? I thought she was supposed to be here already." -
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"Sorry... my family's kinda new at the whole 'wedding' thing. I bet Jeta's with the rest of my family."
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"You kidding?" by
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The Aviator clapped Kala on the shoulder. "You look amazing. Just like a bride." She stepped away and headed to the tent's opening. "I'll see if I can go find your sister. You keep looking pretty, alright? Oh, and remember to drink water in the meantime! Last thing we want is you getting dehydrated right before it's time to head out."
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"Ave, I'm from the desert." by
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"I know hydration's important." She hefted a sports bottle that looked about half-empty.
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"Just doing my job." by
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The Aviator grinned. "Right, I'll be back in a bit." She waved and slipped out of the tent, going in search of Kala's sister.
It wasn't very hard to find her; four girtablilu are hard to miss even under the worst circumstances. The Aviator approached and was about to say hi to Jeta when she noticed Ezra was sitting with his family. She gritted her teeth. The kid had been at rehearsal last night, he should have known he was supposed to be with Valon!
Changing course, she moved to tap the boy on the shoulder. "Hey, Ezra, you need to be with Valon right now. Important job to do, and you're sitting here?" She tsked and made a shooing motion with her hand. "Better hurry up, you don't want to keep him waiting." -
Thomas gave her an exasperated look, while Ezra frowned. by
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"He's being very defiant... I've told him that a few times now."
"Alright, fine..." Ezra was outnumbered now; he reluctantly stood up and walked off toward Valon's tent.
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"I can't imagine," the Aviator said dryly. by
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She glanced over at the Jengs and back to the Vances. "Right, sorry, gotta go. Lots to keep up with today." She waved and headed over to the Jengs, stopping in front of the littlest girl. "Hey, Jeta, right?"
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"Yup!" by
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She looked up curiously at the Aviator. Her carapace wasn't as shiny as the other members of her family, and looked softer. Unlike her sister, she also had a Roma accent. "Do you know when I throw flowers?"
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"Yep!" by
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The Aviator bent so she was at Jeta's eye level and held out a hand, her expression softening. "I'm the Aviator; Kala asked me to be her maid of honor. She's in the tent back there—" She nodded in the general direction. "—and we need you. Gotta go over when you're going to throw those flowers and stuff, you know?"
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"Oh, okay!" by
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The eleven-year-old girtablilu cheerfully scuttled off toward Kala's tent. "Thank you, miss Aviator!"
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The Aviator nodded at Jeta's parents... by
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...and set off after Jeta at a much more casual stroll. "See, Kala?" she said, stepping into the tent. "I told you I'd take care of it."
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Jeta began chattering at her sister in Sumerian. by
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Kala offered a few comments here and there, in the same tongue, before turning to the Aviator. "Yeah... she's excited, if you can't tell. Though Araunya was a bit disappointed... she was hoping I'd have someone more handsome. I told her that not everyone in the world is French." She laughed a bit, before fiddling with her hair. "Hrm... I'm so used to wearing this in a ponytail... it looks weird when I wear it down like this..."
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The Aviator raised an eyebrow. by
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"She can't have met very many French people, then," she said. "Not that there aren't some handsome blokes, but for the most part they're just like every other human. And Kala, stop playing with your hair, you'll pull the curl out of it."
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Kala's hand jerked away from her hair. by
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She muttered irritably to herself. "Hope Valon's having a better time with Falc..."
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Two families filed into the seats... by
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On the right side, four humans. On the left, four girtablilu.
The Vances sat down calmly. Joan Vance, Valon's mother, was a short, jolly-looking woman with vibrant red hair. Eight-year-old Alice and ten-year-old Ezra sat on either side of her. Thomas, Valon's stepfather, was a stern-looking Asian man who kept glancing at Ezra.
Kala's family, with their unusual body shape, could not take seats, and simply lowered their bodies to the ground. Kala's parents looked startlingly like her, though their hair was a natural dark color. Her older sister, Araunya, wore a low-cut red dress. Her younger sister, Jeta, held a basket of flowers in her soft pincers, and was clad in a puffy pink dress.
Ezra looked mildly irritated. "Dad, why do I have to hold the rings?"
"You're the only young boy around here. Also? This is your brother. Surely you can do this for him." Thomas shook his head, remembering how often he'd said that to Valon.
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An Unusual Wedding Party by
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“Are you sure?” Dawn asked. She finished checking her hair in a small, square mirror that had once been used before dance performances and tucked it into a hidden pocket. “Really sure?”
“Definitely sure, Shakhar,” Des replied. He rubbed his faceplate. “To be frank, I could use cat cuddles,” he said in an embarrassed voice. “‘sides of which, I can count on you carrying a D.O.R.K.S. for me, right?” He tilted his head.
“I can probably fit one in my awesome pocket, yeah,” Dawn said. She checked it, and then nodded. “Yeah, there’s space. But if you’re coming as a cat, you’d better be the sort that doesn’t shed much. Okay?”
“Of course,” Des said, waving his fingers. “With my luck I’d probably be allergic to my own shed fur.” He approached the console and tapped a few keys, and soon an Aegean cat, white with grey stripes, stood in his place. Around his neck were a translator collar and, funnily enough, a bowtie.
Dawn knelt next to him with an “awww” and scratched behind his ears. “Lookit you, all fluffy and nice.” She tugged lightly on the bowtie, grinning. “Sweet. I think Zeb’s going with one of these, too. How’s it feel?”
Des mrrowed happily and flicked his tail. “Cats are fun!” he said.
“They are,” Dawn agreed. “I expect Valon and Kala would be happy if you went humanoid at least briefly, though.” She caught the tip of his tail, running it through her fingers. “In the meantime, though, this is adorable.”
Des mrrowed again, then, with surprising agility, lept onto Dawn’s shoulder. He rubbed his head against her cheek.
“Adorable,” Dawn repeated, and petted his head. “Right, getting up now…” She did so, hands poised to catch him just in case.
Des didn’t fall. He bared his fangs, then remembered that he was a cat and switched to flicking his tail to and fro. Khataltelet half-snorted, half-trilled and took off from atop one of the kitchen shelves; he flew circles around Dawn and Des.
“I might run out of shoulders,” Dawn told the fire-lizard. As if to prove the point, Gwilithiel landed on her other shoulder and peered at Des, curling her golden tail possessively around Dawn’s neck. “Alright, are we all ready?”
Des glanced at his fire-lizard. “... No, Khataltelet, you can’t land on her head.”
Dawn looked up hurriedly. “What? Yeah, no, seconding that. My head is off-limits to anything but my hair, and you, dear fire-lizard, are not my hair. Stay in the air or switch off with someone.”
Khataltelet trilled — it sounded like a laugh — and stayed airborne.
“Alright, shall we, Shakhar?” Des asked.
Dawn grinned, and scratched under his chin. “We shall, O fluffy one. To the Courtyard!”
The woman, cat and two fire-lizards arrived at the Courtyard. Khataltelet immediately headed toward the nearest tree, perching on a branch and surveying the area. Gwilithiel stayed perched on Dawn’s shoulder for all of two seconds before she took flight, soaring through the air to get a better view and soon adding in loops so as to be admired in turn. Dawn, for her part, stayed still for a bit to take in the view.
“Hm,” she remarked at last. “It’s pretty nice. Not overdone, like in Twilight, and it… I don’t know, it looks nice. What do you think?”
Des purred, tilting his head. “It smells nice,” he said.
“Oh?” Dawn turned her head to see him a little better, petting him because cat. “What’s it smell of? — don’t say freesia.”
“Sun and air and people,” Des mewled. “You smell good, too!”
“I do?” Dawn grinned at him. “Thanks. I’d return the compliment, but you mainly smell of cat, which isn’t bad, but it’s cat.” She ran a hand over his head, pushing down each ear in turn. “Cat. But yeah, sun is good. Very good. And it isn’t shining over something uncanonical, either!”
Des mrrowed again and nuzzled against her cheek. Dawn leaned carefully into the touch.
Then, she began to look around for a destination.
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"Hello!" by
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A black-haired, motherly woman in a pale blue dress approached Dawn, with a small bundle in her arms.
"You've got a cat and dragons? So do I!" She held up the bundle; a very Harry Potter-like baby with cat ears, a tail and dragon wings stared curiously at Dawn.
"Glg?"
"Oh, where are my manners? I'm Publica Kurusu, and this is my adopted son, Leyuu. We're badfic rescues, thanks to the happy couple."
"Mngl." Leyuu raised one chubby arm, almost as if he was waving at Dawn. -
Introductory ficlet! by
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(Sorry for not posting this sooner, but I've been meaning to write a ficlet for my agents receiving their invites, so here it is - along with their arrival!)
Falchion's screech of joy nearly made Ripper jump out of his feathers.
"RIPPER! I'M GONNA BE A BEST MAN! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? OUR FRIEND'S GETTING MARRIED AND I'M GONNA BE THE GUY STANDING NEXT TO HIM WHEN THEY KISS!"
The Deinonychus blinked slowly, looking at his ironclad partner in utter confusion. "Best man? What are you talking about?"
"Oh? Didn't you get the invitation?"
"What invitation?"
Falchion let out an ecstatic squawk right in Ripper's face, his beak snapping dangerously close to the other's snout: "VALON AND KALA ARE GETTING MARRIED!!"
Ripper instinctively pulled his head back, clawing at his ears with his taloned wings. "Gah, not so loud... Well, that explains the shiny envelope I received a while ago."
The smile was wiped from Falchion's face. "You never even opened it?"
"I'm not concerned with the mating habits of humans, to be honest. Unless, of course, they happen to be Suvian, and that's only for the sake of finding the opportunity of picking them off."
The Skarmory rolled his head. "Ripper, there's no, er, no mating involved - notwithstanding the fact that this is a mating ritual! Uh, sort of. This is basically Valon and Kala making it official that they're legally a breeding pair."
"Valon never wanted to have offspring."
"I know, but still!"
"And I'm still not interested. The only reason I'll be there is to see Kala again."
"Don't worry, you will! Just sit tight at the reception and don't eat anyone! Please? For me?"
Ripper gave Falchion a deadpan look, and then bowed his head in a huff. "As mentioned, though, only for you and Kala."
Falchion let out an avian equivalent of a squee, and then gasped. "Crap, I gotta call Sarah!"
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Sarah was minding her own business with her partners when her mobile phone went off, causing Lapis to yelp and prepare to dive into the closet. Upon seeing her take the phone out, though, the blue-haired girl looked a little less nervous.
The Super agent recognized the number, and answered immediately. "Hey, Adam!"
"Hey, Sarah! Hey, can you, uh, can you put your phone on speaker? I wanna speak, eh, wanna speak to all of you guys!"
"Is Ripper there?"
"Uh, ye-... No?"
Beat. "He's there, isn't he?"
Ripper's voice could be heard from the other end of the phone. "It isn't my responsibility if you inadvertently damage your communication equipment out of anger, Stratogale. Just FYI."
"Shut up, lizard-lips! I only want to speak to Adam!"
"Uh, raptors aren't related to-" Falchion began, but Sarah cut him off.
"I know what I said! Just... Ugh. I'll pretend he isn't there, okay?" She put the phone on speaker.
"Hey, Lapis! You too, Cupid!"
"Hi, Falchion!" the others said simultaneously.
"What made you wanna talk to all of us, anyway?" asked Sarah. "You sound pretty excited."
"Well... You know Valon Vance and Kala Jeng?"
"Haven't heard of 'em." Sarah smiled apologetically. "Sorry!"
"I have, though!" said Lapis. "Rayner told me about them a while ago. Why?"
"Well, they're getting married! A-and I'm gonna be the best man! Best bird, I mean. Best man, whatever!"
"I heard!" Lapis replied. "Rayner told me about that, too! Congrats to them both!"
"Yeah, what she said!" said Cupid. "Are we invited?"
"The invites are for those they know personally, and What's-His-Name and I were among those people. We're allowed to bring guests, though, so I was wondering if any of you could come."
"I'd be totally down for meeting them!" Sarah pumped her fist. "Though I'm guessing a certain somebody is also coming, right?"
"In his defense, he didn't want to go, and the only reason he's there is to meet Kala again. So don't worry, the reception won't be invaded by any dinosaur armies anytime soon!"
Ripper's snarl could be heard from the other end of the phone.
"Sorry! Just joking there, heh..."
"I'm still willing to go, but just keep me a mile away from the guy," said Sarah. "Or vice versa."
"Good to know! Anyone else up for it?"
"Well, Rayner invited me as his guest, so I'm in," said Lapis. "Cupid, on the other hand? I rather doubt it."
"Yeah, I have a few committments over at FicPsych that I can't reschedule," the angel added. "And besides, Sarah would never let me go, whether or not any alcohol is involved."
"Not after last time," Sarah hissed, before switching back to her cheerful tone. "So, you're the best man?"
"Eeyup!" Falchion's voice was laced with pride. "I can't wait to stand next to Valon when he kisses the bride!"
Sarah paused. "...Are you sure you're cut out for this?"
"Why? I already sent the letter accepting the invite just now! What's the problem?"
"Well, the best man is the chief assistant to the groom, and the third most important in attendance after the happy couple," Sarah explained. "He's got a lot of roles to take care of: he assists the groom, he's in charge of the ushers, he acts as a legal witness to the marriage, he prepares a 'best man's speech' to be read at the reception..."
There was a loud THUNK as bird met floor. "I resign!"
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A few weeks later...
"I cannot believe I'm doing this," the dark-haired Asian young man said as he and his redheaded partner entered the courtyard. "Literally. Cannot."
"The only other member of our team suitable for the niche you are currently occupying is both female and unable to come," Ripper replied. "She told me to tell you that she is occupied with more important matters, though whether or not that's a good thing is anyone's guess."
The Skarmory and the raptor, both disguised in their human forms, were all dressed up for the occasion. Falchion wore a silver suit with a red inside lining and tie, dark gray pants, light gray shoes, and a silver feather in his hair. Ripper had several scarlet feathers behind his ear, and was clad head-to-toe in a blood-red tuxedo.
"Sheesh, that's cold," said Falchion. "But her problems aren't ours to take care of, so we might as well make do."
Two other agent teams appeared at that point. Sarah (dressed in a black and blue ballroom gown with accents of silver, red, and purple, and with her dark hair in a stylish bun) was the first to notice them, rushing over and shoving Ripper aside to hug her adopted brother.
"Hey, Adam! And no, Ripper, I'm not sorry."
"Wow, sheesh," said Rayner, dressed in a white-and-rainbow suit that reminded the group of Rainbow Dash's Grand Galloping Gala outfit. "You two have a grudge or something? Also, hi, Falco! You look awesomazing, if I do say so myself!"
Lapis, in an ocean-blue gown with reddish accents not unlike Kyogre's markings, rubbed the back of her equally blue hair (spray-painted with metallic blue highlights, of course). "They've been like that for as long as they can remember," she said. "Just keep them away from each other and you should be fine."
"At least they can afford that luxury," said E.V.L., who'd brought up the rear with thigh-high black lace stockings, dark-matter hair billowing in a nonexistent breeze like black fire, and a rather revealing crimson gown with a demonic motif.
"Hideous as always, Glitter Girl?" said Rayner, winking.
"You look absolutely dreadful yourself," she replied with a dry chuckle. "Shall we get ready? The bird's the best man, if I'm not mistaken. Shouldn't he take care of the wedding rings?"
"Oh, flock, I forgot!" Falchion cried, slapping his forehead. "Hey, uh, I've gotta uh, take care of things with the staff and such! Meetcha at the reception! Save a spot for me at the dining table! Merry early Christmas!"
With that, he dashed off, leaving the others to stare after him in utter confusion.
"Did he even prepare for this wedding?" asked Sarah.
"I never asked," said Ripper. "No doubt he spent the whole day before browsing the Internet and whipped up a crudely articulated speech an hour before sleeping."
For once, Sarah didn't have any disdainful response for her arch-nemesis. "Welp... Looks like we're off to a good start."
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It begins! by
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Yaaay! *bells* (nm) by
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Anyone willing to touch this Touhou badfic?(NSFW/NSFB) by
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So I was wandering around The Pit today, searching for Touhou fanfics.......
And I found this nasty little atrocity of a badfic.
Sakuya, Remilia, Flandre, and a broomstick.
You already know where it is heading towards. Not to mention Bad AU, a world where Femslash is perfectly normal, and can have child without any logical explanations.....Flagrant OOCness.......
I can't express the animosity and resentment I had towards this badfic. It needs to die, seriously.
Here it is, enter at your own risks.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6329666/1/Remilia-And-Flandre-Scarlet-Pain
*sigh* I am just going to take a Bleepka shower right now. -
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I think I just found my next MST victim. Although, I'm not entirely sure how to victimize something this dreadful.
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Nope by
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Nope
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I mean, if this fic is about Koishi Komeji, I'm seriously going on a flamethrower rage......
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Jokes by
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Jokes!
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Wednesday Pluggage: New series! by
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Oh, but first: it's December! That means it's advent! That means I get to link to the PPC Advent Calender again!
The PPC Advent Calender
(Someday I'll make a new one of these... some day...)
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Moving on... I am very pleased to announce that Nutmeg Television (PPC HQ's PREMIER television provider are today launching their new series, with the collaboration of one of the PPC's most (in?)famous former agents. Without further ado:Songs of ArdaArdolindi, Episode 1: Nightfall
(Sadly, no, the link isn't to a video. There is, however, a Youtube link in there, to an upload of the song featured in the episode... it may not be available in all countries, apparently.)
hS, really hoping this one will go down well -
Being in Germany , I can't listen to the song by
on 2015-12-03 19:00:00 UTC
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And power metal isn't my cup of tea. Actually, music isn't my cup of tea. But I assure you that it went down well anyway.
I do what I do:
He cuts off, glanced away, then looks back at the camera and smiles.
Tense shift.
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It's not mine, either. by
on 2015-12-04 10:57:00 UTC
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But the Silmarillion definitely is. Don't worry, though - Dafydd will be moving onto other artists next time. I'm glad you liked it. ^_^
(Blast! Thanks; fixed. There's always one that sneaks through...!)
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"But! I want metal!" by
on 2015-12-04 17:36:00 UTC
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(Yeah, I see older metalheads sharing their favourite bands with their kids a lot of the time, it happens, and it's never not adorable)
I do have some requests for future episodes, none of which are trolling. What would be interesting, I think, is for Dafydd to just assume that everything they give him is about the Silmarillion or similar themes, and he presents his show accordingly. Have a few things.
"Exile", by Eldertale
(Land Of Old, 2014, lyrics on the page)
Epic-sounding folk metal!
"The Dragon Reborn", by Noble Beast
(Noble Beast, 2014, lyrics here)
Ridiculous dragon-themed power metal!
"Goi, Rode, Goi!", by Arkona
(Goi, Rode, Goi!, 2009, lyrics are in Russian I might be taking the mickey a bit)
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Hmm... perhaps. by
on 2015-12-09 14:58:00 UTC
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If he has a Season Two, that's an idea worth holding on to.
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The second link... by
on 2015-12-05 05:38:00 UTC
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... (apart from definitely being a Wheel of Time song) ... appears to lead to a video of the Doctor regenerating into a plate of egg & chips. Are you sure you're not trolling? ^_~
~Neshomeh
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Yes. by
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And now, as promised: Ficlet Response! by
on 2015-12-02 16:49:00 UTC
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Wobbles, it had to be said, wasn't normally one for power metal, not least because she could only intermittently get her stereo to work and, when she did, her partner had a tendency to perform violent acts when it played anything louder than cool jazz. She'd been looking forward to Former Agent Illian's program for some time and, when it was broadcast, she went down to the A/V Division and watched it with an expression of glee, only intermittently interrupted by small explosions as her weight shifted on the sofa cushions and found various lost remote controls. Not even the occasional bursts of silvery sparks could stop her from bouncing up and down with excitement, and when the program was finally over she bounced up off the sofa and somersaulted over to the coffee table.
"Oh gosh oh gosh that was AWESOME! Thank you so much for letting me watch it with you, gangeroos! I gotta get to my RC and work on something for Mister Illian to say thank you for making more good TV, so seeya later!"
She tumbled -- in the circus tumbling sense, it must be stressed -- out of the A/V Division's door and launched herself back towards her RC. A few dazed-looking technicians crawled out, one of whom was holding the remains of a genuine sonic blaster and making small whimpering noises. In complete silence, a senior geek walked over to the notice board and flipped the "Days Without Incident/Terror/Fire And Screaming/HER" counter back to 0, then curled up in the corner with a teddy bear and started to cry. The room stank of burnt plastic and whatever pollen the purple daffodils growing out of the sofa cushions were spreading around the place. There was wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Wobbles, as was her wont when dealing with the A/V Division's techies, did her best to ignore it.
Instead, she went to her RC and began work on something very, very elaborate. After about an hour, she took the first few pieces out into the hallway and went off to Stores to sequester more white sculpting balloons. For eighteen solid hours she worked, the near-constant squeaking burrowing into her partner's ears until she stomped off to Rudi's for drinks and filing, lamenting a lack of pins or sharp objects in the immediate vicinity. Wobbles worked and sweated over the sculpture, consulting printed diagrams and photographs, even a watercolour of the place in question, until at last it was complete.
A few days later, a delivery arrived by portal in the Illians' garden. Wobbles carefully lowered it into place and began to lash it to the ground, tying and staking with handmade ropes and a mallet made of Discworld bog-oak she was having seriously possessive thoughts about. She wanted to see Dafydd's family's faces (and his own) when they woke up to see Mindon Eldaliéva, that most kingly of all towers and seat of Ingwë Ingweron, in splendid bouncy castle form. With that, there was but one last finishing touch, and Wobbles paced deliberately backwards from her work.
"Okay, Mister Sproggins, I'm at the distance you said you wanted. You're good to go!"
A/V Technician Albert Sproggins emerged tremulously from the portal, clutching a gravity globe from Doctor Who like it was a bomb about to go off. Wobbles personally thought it was a bit unfair, but she had brushed past him once and his digital watch had ended up as a tattoo on his forehead, so she understood why he was scared. He tapped the globe and sent it upwards, letting its silvery light shine out as the globe reached its nest of white balloons at the top of the tower and hung there, awaiting the wonder of the children.
Albert, being a cautious sort who had no idea what Wobbles' acute arcane technometaplasia would do to an antigravity device, promptly hurled himself through the portal and was currently running towards the Cryptomusic Archive. His scream, according to the various computer monitors listening out for Wobbles' approach, was a comparatively mild Grade 4, so the other technicians were content to let their delicate repair work continue.
Wobbles, still in the garden, dexterously unfolded an old wooden deck chair (a feat not since repeated in the annals of human history), sat in the garden, and listened to the birdsong.
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I hope that's okay, and while I understand it might give Dafydd flashbacks to the massive, massive stupidity of the Oath of Feanor, Wobbles isn't that up on the First Age. Enormous tomes like The Silmarillion aren't really her bag; to paraphrase Better Than Life, it's not that she doesn't read, it's just that she generally waits for the cartoon to come out. Also a slight case of well-intentioned B&E, but whatcha gonna do? =] -
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Dafydd threw back the curtains to let in the morning sunlight, looked out at the view, rubbed his eyes, checked again, and then closed the curtains tightly. "Connie?" he said.
"Mm?" His wife's reply came from the midst of the nest of duvets that had previously been their bed. Other than a tuft of black hair draped over the pillow, there was no sign of Constance.
Dafydd took another peek out of the window, peering between the curtains. "Did... did we move back to Tirion while I wasn't looking?"
"Mm-mm." The pile of duvets shook slightly, which might have been Constance's headshake, or might not.
"Hmm." Dafydd drummed his fingers on the windowledge. "Because I think we've ended up in Grandfather's palace overnight."
There was a pause, and then Constance's head emerged from the blankets. "In the nicest possible way: have you gone completely bonkers?"
"I wish." Dafydd went to tug the curtain open again, but stopped himself. "But the Mindon's right outside the window, and..." He shrugged.
Constance gave a long-suffering sigh and crawled out of bed. Draping one of the duvets haphazardly around herself, she crossed the room and leant on her husband's shoulder. "Show."
"Er." Dafydd glanced at her. "Can I borrow some of the-?"
"No. You got me out of bed for this, you can freeze." Constance reached across and drew the curtains back. "...huh."
"See?" Dafydd ducked away from his wife and grabbed a fresh tunic from the wardrobe. "And you thought I was crazy."
"You are crazy," Constance said. "And unobservant. That's a bouncy castle."
"Don't be silly; no-one makes Valinor-themed bouncy castles."
"Tell that to the kids." Constance smiled and waved out of the window, then had to grab at the duvet to keep it from falling away. "They think it's great fun."
"Um." Dafydd closed his eyes for a second, delving through his short-term memory. "There's someone with red hair sitting out there, right? Tell me it's not one of my brothers."
"I dunno." Constance pursed her lips. "Do any of them have a thing for clown costumes...?"
Other reaction lines might have (or might still, since their lives don't end just because the scene does) included:
"Yes. It's very nice. I mean, for a monument to the father of my father's least-favourite stepmother which he entirely deliberately used as the backdrop to the stupidest Oath ever made."
"When did our home become the Calacirya, anyway? Didn't we move here so the PPC couldn't find us?"
"But! I wuv it!"
"Father, can we go and see the real Mindon? And the Trees? ... and can we meet Grandfather?"
(To which Dafydd's answers are 'no', 'no', and 'seriously, Tanfin, you need to get over this obsession with him'.)
^_^ Thank you! This was fun.
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Your own work gives me so much joy... by
on 2015-12-04 20:59:00 UTC
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I try to give some back when I can. I'm very glad it worked. =]
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So Wobbles waited for this? by
on 2015-12-03 18:46:00 UTC
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Chibi History of Middle-earth (work in progress).
Archived PDFs.
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CHoME is the best. ^_^ by
on 2015-12-04 10:54:00 UTC
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Actually, at the moment I'm really liking Stormwreath's spin-off fanfics/uncanon comics dealing with the women of the Noldor (mostly Nerdanel):
A Matter of Perspective
Rite of Passage
By the Letter
Meanwhile, Back in Tirion
And, of course, the non-canonical Nerdanel-Indis-Miriel comic. ^_^
A word of warning: CHoME is 256 comics long and the Noldor haven't managed to leave Aman yet. If you're waiting for the ending, it'll be a loooooong time coming.
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This is AWESOME! by
on 2015-12-02 10:38:00 UTC
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And I shall, if you're amenable, prepare a ficlet response when I have access to my laptop. Needless to say, Wobbles enjoyed it very much, after she managed to catch it.
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Thank you! ^_^ by
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I'm always amenable to ficlets - I'd better be, I write enough of them myself! (Is Wobbles' show still going out on Nutmint, by the way?)
Songfic... I don't know, does it count as a songfic if the song is literally playing in the background? ^_~ (And if it does, does that mean I'm sneakily proving 'songfics can be good too'?)
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You're very welcome. =] by
on 2015-12-02 11:18:00 UTC
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And yeah, songfics can be done well, it's just a question of using the music properly. Which, given that this is a review section of a program, you definitely did. =]
And yes, Wobblevision is still running, though there are increasingly fewer live-action skits involving Wobbles herself and more cartoon segments. One imagines that a particular favourite in the Illian household is a relatively new addition to the lineup, Tree Fu Tom Bombadil. =] -
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on 2015-12-02 11:28:00 UTC
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Goldberry is voiced by David Tennant.
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For the first few series. by
on 2015-12-02 12:10:00 UTC
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After that they got a ganger in. =]
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NEW THEORY: by
on 2015-12-02 15:32:00 UTC
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Tree Fu Tom is the Doctor's counter to the Vashta Nerada.
Having witnessed the trees of Earth having their growth boosted by microscopic creatures to shield the planet from a solar flare*, the Tenth** Doctor has an epiphany: the high-speed glowing dust-fairy things will eventually become the Vashta Nerada - y'know, the other tiny communal lifeform with a connection to trees.
And why will creatures that acted to save the planet one day turn against humans and start eating them? Simple, the episode answers that: because humans spend all their time trying to murder their trees.
So Ten seeks out one of his old companions - Ace, who is now apparently running a charity anyway*** - and together they pitch a new TV series to the BBC - one which will make the children of Earth respect trees (and nature in general), and thus ward off the turning-evil of the Vashta Nerada: Tree Fu Tom.
*Or whatever In the Forest... was all about.
**Yes, Tenth. He was actually instrumental in getting the trees to do that, while Eleven just mucked about with schoolkids.
***I suggest that this takes place at the very end of Ten's lifespan, while he was on his Grand Tour Of Companions (ie, during the last minutes of The End of Time). The fact that it's cracking-up!Ten explains why he's willing to break history this way, too.
There are no flaws in this idea. None.
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This is perfect and I accept it as canon. =oD (nm) by
on 2015-12-02 16:53:00 UTC
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on 2015-12-02 17:06:00 UTC
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Your assistance is required with writing things! I've sent you a Hangouts invite.
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[Cylon voice] BY YOUR COMMAND (nm) by
on 2015-12-02 17:15:00 UTC
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FYI: Wiki infoboxes. by
on 2015-12-02 18:16:00 UTC
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Hi, guys. If you notice the wiki's infoboxes looking a little different, that's because I've updated them all to be portable to mobile devices, as per Wikia's standards (and repeated urgings that finally got on my nerves enough to act).
The main difference you'll see is that infobox images are now scaled to take up the full width of the infobox instead of being thumbnail-sized. In some cases, this may mean they look kind of huge. I do not know how to fix this, except to use images that are more wide than tall. It's irritating, and I'll continue trying to fix it, but so far my efforts have only resulted in distorted images. Sigh. In the meantime, if your pages are really screwed up by huge infobox images, consider uploading a new image at a smaller size, or with dimensions more wide than tall, and using that instead.
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I have a solution. by
on 2015-12-04 00:19:00 UTC
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It would be relatively easy (If tedious) to add a white layer behind each image, and then re-upload it. Create a border/buffer. I am beyond exhausted right now, though, so I'm not completely sure if I read the problem correctly. Ignore me if I didn't.
As I said, this would be tedious to do, so in my professional opinion as a complete slacker, we should just grumble loudly about it, but not actually do anything. -
You, uh, know we have over 1000 images on there, yes? (nm) by
on 2015-12-04 07:54:00 UTC
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Also, two new infoboxes. by
on 2015-12-02 20:55:00 UTC
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Because it seemed like a good idea at the time, I've made infoboxes for OFU and Mini pages. Here are the templates and some example articles for each:
Template:Infobox OFUs
- Example 1: OFUM
- Example 2: HFA
- Example 3: IAHF
- Example 4: OBAFU
Template:Infobox Minis
- Example 1: Mini-Balrog
- Example 2: Mini-Aragog
- Example 3: Mochi Nation
- Example 4: Mini-Luggage
What do you think? Good idea/bad idea? Any data missing that should be there? Other ideas?
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I was thinking of making one for minis. by
on 2015-12-03 03:15:00 UTC
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I couldn't think of enough data points to include, though. I think you've filled them in nicely!
—doctorlit totally meant to say more, but the ostrich bite that peeled skin off his hand this morning is making typing rather excruciating, so. -
Glad to help. {= ) by
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I fixed the archive URL for the list of mini-Aragogs and added the relevant ones to the article, too. I am amused to note that Lupin and Snape appear to be the most popular characters among PPCers.
(Ouch, that sounds nasty. Ostriches are mean, aren't they?)
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Re: Ostriches by
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Honestly, most of the ones we have are more dumb than anything. Their single, driving instinct is to eat things, so they generally only have one, "is this edible" reaction to most stimuli.
We have nearly all females at my zoo; I've heard the males can be awful, but the one male we do have is pretty much no different from all the females. There is one female who is weirdly aggressive; fortunately, she's a much lighter shade of grey than everyone else. (Thank you, Gan, for color-coding the dangerous one!) One day, while I was volunteering with keepers who were cleaning their pond in the train ride yard, a bunch of ostriches all started walking into the empty pond in single file. We were almost done cleaning, so I started petting them as they walked by, and kept talking to the keepers. The ostriches continued by, oblivious to even being touched by me, until I got to the Grey One. She immediately flinched backwards and hissed, stared at me for a second in surprise, and then fluffed her wings out, hissed louder and charged. (They usually stamp their feet before they attack, but she did not do so.) I started to turn to run, and had time to see her foot kick about six inches to the side of my torso, where part of my body had been before I turned. (I yelled, "Help!" at some point, too, but don't really remember when.) I ran straight for the bridge that takes the train over the pond and jumped from one concrete support berm to the other—ostriches don't handle uneven ground very well— and nearly ran into a pair of Stanley cranes. The Stanleys are mean, too, but don't have the body mass to kill a human like ostriches do, so getting kicked by them would have been a very acceptable trade-off for escaping the Grey One, but the cranes were so shocked by a human showing such carelessness towards them, they just kind of stared at me, stunned. So then I jumped back to the first berm, where the ostrich had already wandered away due to lack of interest/food. When the zookeepers tell that story about me, they say I "outran an ostrich." Not seeing the ostrich herself after the kick, I can't really corroborate that, and it couldn't have been more than ten feet, but . . . I guess it is kind of impressive I avoided getting hurt?
But as I was saying, mostly ostriches nip at things to see if it's food. And sometimes, they nip at no things—they just stand there biting at air for minutes straight every once in a while. The problem with my hands is that in winter, my skin gets all dry and cracks apart, and I think the one ostrich thought the red spots on my hand were edible. And then she ended up adding to the red marks, where usually, their "bites" are just slight scratches that don't bleed.
And this morning, a Cape Barren goose landed a direct hit on the ostrich bite with the weaponized knob bone on his wrist, and made it hurt far more than the ostrich initially did. Have I mentioned birds are the absolute worst thing there is?
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For the OFU infobox, maybe a section with the status (complete, incomplete, something about sequels if they exist)?
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Hmm, yeah. by
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Status seems like a good idea, even if most of them will be "Incomplete." As far as I know, OFUM, HFA, and IAHF are the only ones with sequels, though. And possibly the only ones that are complete, too. ... Well, okay, OFUDisc, even if they didn't exactly get through a school year. Any others?
I also feel like there should be an Author section. I'm just not sure whether to put it at the top or the bottom. "Written by:" is always at the top, but in this case it would sorta interrupt the flow of School Name - Crest - Motto - Color(s) - Minis. So, maybe under Course Coordinator(s), and then additional meta-type information after that?
Maybe continuum should be in there somewhere? But that's pretty obvious in most cases, isn't it?
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Ah well. (nm) by
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Well, that sounds annoying. by
on 2015-12-02 18:42:00 UTC
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Especially as I'm on mobile right now and don't see any difference with the infoboxes. :/ *sugh* I'll check out my agents' pages when I get home.
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Alas, that's never been possible. by
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Before, they just defaulted to thumbnail size.
It does seem to be taking a while for the changes to take effect on all pages. I know it WILL, since the change is in effect when I preview an existing page in edit mode, but for some reason it doesn't translate to the page itself. Seems to've worked on all the Nursery Child ones, though. Maybe because I did that last night, so it's had plenty of time to adjust. I'unno, Wikia is weird sometimes.
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Correction: Wikia seems to've caught up now. (nm) by
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An interesting video I ran across by
on 2015-12-03 01:06:00 UTC
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For all of us who've seen movies in medieval(ish) settings, you might be interested in this YouTube video about how utterly wrong the sword-casting scenes actually are.
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Betas needed for a Redwall-based mission. by
on 2015-12-03 01:56:00 UTC
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It's a short one, and a solo-agent one.
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Maybe I can give it a shot. by
on 2015-12-03 17:44:00 UTC
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I've read all the books, including the cookbook.
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Okay! What's your email? (nm) by
on 2015-12-03 22:38:00 UTC
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No, i meant do you have a Google email? (nm) by
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No but I have other accounts that you can message. by
on 2015-12-04 04:18:00 UTC
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Fan Fiction, Deviant Art, Project AFTER...
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Clarification? by
on 2015-12-04 10:47:00 UTC
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Apparently Silenthunder would like to set the GDoc to "Can be seen – commented – edited by (List of persons identified by their Gmail accounts)".
Silenthunder, since N.Harmonik, like me, doesn’t have a Google account, you should set the GDoc to "Can be seen – commented by everybody who has the link" and mail the link to N.Harmonik.
Hope I got this right.
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Oh. Okay. (nm) by
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What HB typed. (nm) by
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Sent! (nm) by
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Done! (nm) by
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Paging Iximaz by
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Have you had the chance to read the chapter you helped me with, by any chance? What do you think of how it's turned out?
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I have. by
on 2015-12-03 05:17:00 UTC
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Didn't really notice any differences from when I helped out with it, so my opinions haven't changed much. ^^; I can't really get too interested/invested in it since I don't know Bakugan by any stretch of the imagination, so... *shrugs* It's good, and I'm sure I'd find it way better if I knew the other half of the crossover.
It's not you, it's me.
Joking aside, the parts that I did know were good. :) So thumbs up.
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New mission! by
on 2015-12-03 20:39:00 UTC
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In which the Aviator and Zeb head into Avatar: The Last Airbender and the Sue gets on the Fire Lord's bad side.
Also, mission number 45, guys!
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I liked it! And bow ties ARE COOOOL! by
on 2015-12-03 22:54:00 UTC
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Well done. Even though I know very very little about that continuum, I enjoyed it nevertheless.
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Yay! by
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Zeb gets some new weapons, there's one less Sue to worry about, and that was one fantastic execution method! Also, nice to see that you pointed out the Said-Ism problem, which is something I myself used to be guilty of. I didn't realize that was charge-worthy even when writing some of my earlier missions, so I'll be sure to remember that next time.
Zeb opened a portal to the next chapter, skipping over a rather pointless pranking scene “It goes under Azula’s bed, so we’ll have to crawl,” he whispered.
Missing period.
“How much do you want to bet this is never mentioned again?” the Aviator asked in an overly-bright voice.
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Fixed the first. The second I'm pretty sure is right... Anyone?
Said Bookism is fine on occasion; like, if the agents are speaking and it's not immediately clear from the dialogue how they're saying it or you want to emphasize how they're saying it is when they're okay (my opinion only, mind!), but when you've got these massively long chapters and are averaging 'said' as a dialogue tag three times per chapter, it's massively distracting. Especially with gems like this one!
"But where are we going to go? We are enemies of the Earth Kingdom and fugitives from the Fire Nation" Iroh gushed.
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Nice to see you tackling fairly normal badfic again. I feel like I missed something, though; why doesn't the Aviator have her TARDIS? What did she do wrong?
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This was a fun one. by
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But, um, yeah... what Voyd said. She's had it confiscated since September.
And I'm pretty sure it was Ozai. Lemme check.
As she was approaching Azula's room she was stopped by some Fire Nation guards and soon Fire Lord Ozai appeared.
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As the agents dragged her back to Fire Lord Ozai, they exchanged glances and nodded.
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Ozai stood, fury filling his entire being.
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You, uh... by
on 2015-12-03 21:49:00 UTC
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You do recall that Ave stole that TARDIS, and abandoned the Duty, yes?
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I've been out of the loop. I know that now. (nm) by
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I maintain... by
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... that DoSAT are so fed up with looking after hundreds of mothballed time capsules that they would've given Rina the TARDIS and thrown in a 'two for the price of one' just to get rid of it. ;)
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Nonsense. ;) by
on 2015-12-03 22:20:00 UTC
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TARDIS steal their Time Lord, not the other way around. She would have given her back sooner without this time loop little problem.
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That's an overly romantic view of it. by
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A TARDIS is first and foremost a mere vehicle. Yes, it is sentient, but it serves a definite purpose. Don't start thinking that they're as capable as actual people though-- when we did start making them like that, things got weird. Very weird. Maybe too weird.
Like the Type-103s for example. I never could get used to how freaky they were.
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I couldn't resist. The Guardsman always will try to get a word in sideways about these things.
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Canon would like to disagree with you. by
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That's not Idris; that's 100% the TARDIS speaking.
I'll thank you to not speak about TARDISes like they're nothing more than vehicles. Yes, that is their primary function, but they're people, too. Thank you very much, Mister 'I-Graduated-The-Academy-With-A-Degree-In-TARDIS-Engineering'. *eyeroll*
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I don't appreciate you talking smack about my degree. by
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Look, we had to make them hyper-intelligent in order for them to crunch the numbers involved in space-time travel. Giving them personalities was an unexpected side effect.
Sometimes I think that some people like to romanticize the role of the TARDIS and exaggerate their importance. Like pilots, for example.
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And who was it who told me... by
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...that you can't properly fly a TARDIS unless you're working together? It's called a symbiotic bond for a reason, Emiran.
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Well, it's still taking orders from you, isn't it? by
on 2015-12-04 00:39:00 UTC
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Face it-- it's like driving a very intelligent car. Sure, you need the sym-nucleus to interface with the TARDIS systems but it's more of a key to get inside than... well, I'm repeating myself. You get what I mean, yeah?
And I'll talk as much smack about the hotshots who drive around the things I helped to design, thank you very much. I didn't spend five centuries at the Academy and a ten-year apprenticeship to have someone lecture me on how it feels to operate a time machine.
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Whatever you say, pops. by
on 2015-12-04 00:57:00 UTC
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Though considering I could fly circles around you any day, I think—just think, mind you—that I might be onto something here. :P
And yes, actually, it looks like it somehow fell under the coffee table. I'll bring it by later. -
"This is some sort of elaborate mating ritual, isn't it..." (nm) by
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Pretty creepy sure, sir. by
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However, I think anyone here knows about this one Type-40, who did stole that one madman, right?;)
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...one person--wait, two and even then it was more of a kidnapping-- on billions is not statistically significant.
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That's more a matter of screen-time than anything else. by
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I mean, the show isn't exactly showing other TARDIS very often, so statistically, the only TARDIS I regulary saw proves me right, and I think that if a Type-40 can do this, other TARDIS can.
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Pretty good mission. It's so good seeing glitterbags getting the Darwin Awards they deserve, it makes for a funny, although scary, kill. Now, I guess that Ave will crush this coffee table someday because she just had to pilot Baby to the RC, right? Christmas time get really early this year.
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Yeah, the blessings of medical problems. by
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Don't have school at the moment thanks to a forced withdrawl, but on the bright (?) side, it means I have a lot of time to write. *sigh*
I still can't believe the Sue thought it was okay to punch Ozai in the fraking face; come on, he scarred his own son for life and banished him on a wild turtle duck chase because he spoke out of turn; what's he going to do to someone of no blood relation who physically assaults him?!
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Aw, though luck. by
on 2015-12-03 21:24:00 UTC
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I hope it's nothing too serious and you'll get better soon enough.
This level of dumb is pretty impressive, I'd class it with the D.A. granted to the guy who tried to rob an armory where cops were shopping. Glitterbags are clearly evolution's worst blunder for pulling such stunts.
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It's mostly better now. by
on 2015-12-03 22:14:00 UTC
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I can walk again, so that's something, ne? Of course as soon as one thing clears up the doctors notice something else, which is just fantastic... meh.
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Okay, you're getting me scared now. by
on 2015-12-03 22:23:00 UTC
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Really, REALLY hope you'll get better.
Even Ozai would agree to do that. (By the way, how did you do this crossing thing with the last sentence? Also, is there a list somewhere about this sort of modifications on the text?) -
Meh, it's probably nothing. by
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I'm too young for this. :P
And I got thestrikethroughby typing [s]words you want struck out[/s], only use in place of [ and ]. -
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on 2015-12-04 07:51:00 UTC
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HTML escaping (thread = jacked) by
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I hope you get better soon Iximaz. Anyway, on to the computer mumbo-jumbo:
HTML has three (and in some cases five) characters that have a special meaning to the browser when they appear in text. They are <, >, & and sometimes ' and ". In general, if you want to use any of the first three, you need to escape them. To do this, you do as follows:To show Type < < > > < >
Now, you can sometimes get away without doing this because browsers try really hard to deal with people who don't know how to write HTML. (This is why the whole "weird color names" thing works as well). However, you need to use escaping when you write things that might look like tags, such as anything an Andalite might say.
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Correction on last row of table by
on 2015-12-04 05:54:00 UTC
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Was meant to show that, for an "&", you type "&"
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Meh, it's probably nothing. by
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I'm too young for this. :P
And I got thestrikethroughby typing [s]words you want struck out[/s], only use < and > in place of [ and ]. -
For some reason by
on 2015-12-03 21:26:00 UTC
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I imagined the Lorax as Emperor Palpatine, looking at anyone approaching the Sue Tree with an axe, and saying, "Do it."
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And now I remember Darth Jar Jar. (nm) by
on 2015-12-03 21:32:00 UTC
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You know what's worse? by
on 2015-12-03 21:37:00 UTC
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Jar Jar Bane.
"Oh, yousa thinkin darkness is yousa al."
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Have a fun little epistolary time travel story! by
on 2015-12-04 02:27:00 UTC
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I was watching a lecture series by my favorite author (after Tolkien and Lewis, of course), Brandon Sanderson, and he mentioned this little gem of a story. It really is little-- you can read it in under five minutes --but it's very funny and the names made me think of the PPC. ^_^ I hope you all enjoy it!
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Have run across that before... by
on 2015-12-04 10:44:00 UTC
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... but long enough ago that I'd forgotten everything. :D It's good! Shame the author doesn't seem to have written anything else... :-/
The 'fake forum/chatroom' is a really interesting way to tell a story. I've mucked about with it a few times myself - I think the only one online is the New Perspective on Middle-earth forums, but I've done others (mostly chat-logs). I think it's because it makes the most outlandish ideas come across as accepted and everyday - time travel must be pretty ordinary if people are chatting about it on a website. ^_^
Not that this is original to chatrooms/forums - Dracula consists in large part of false-document letters and journals, which are aiming at the same effect (and of course Tolkien's Notion Club Papers are the minutes of meetings) - but I think the forum version actually works better, simply because it lets you write a real-time story.
Does anyone know of other examples of this type of writing? I'm wracking my brains (lightly - don't want to break them) but can't come up with any.
hS
PS: Unless the TCDA Noticeboard counts.
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A strange thing happened on Fanfiction.Net today... by
on 2015-12-04 03:25:00 UTC
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I checked back in on one of my Frozen fanfics and found that someone had written a story. In the review section. I'm not kidding. There's eleven pages of review, and ten of them are taken up with what appears to be a story about Anna, Elsa, and their OC little sisters Faith and Hope, and as far as I know, it doesn't have anything to do with my story.
I haven't read it yet (the author hasn't really grasped paragraph breaks), and I'm confused about what to do. I've never seen this sort of thing before, or at least, I've never seen an author's note that asked people to stop writing stories in the reviews.
So, I've got two questions for you guys. First, has this happened to any of you before?
Second, what should I do with it? Delete it for taking up space, or keep it there? Let a PPC-er check it out for possible missioning?
If anyone wants to check it out, here's where it begins (there are some actual comments on my story on this page, but this is where the sub-story starts):
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I saw a story in the review section one time... by
on 2015-12-08 03:09:00 UTC
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But it wasn't one of mine, so I didn't bother to save the link. (As I recall, the actual story wasn't so hot, either.)
The review you linked to honestly reminds me of this girl I used to watch on dA called "Becca Lupin". Maybe you've heard of her; she did parodies of Disney/Dreamworks movies with casts of other shows. Then it just spun into giant multiverse crossovers. AFAIK, she still does parodies, but starring her and, of all people, Gerard Way/his "Killjoy" alter ego (any MCR fans wanna explain that?).
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Could I spork it? Or d'you wanna do that Star... by
on 2015-12-05 15:44:00 UTC
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...since it was your fic she reviewed?
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Go ahead. by
on 2015-12-08 23:41:00 UTC
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I haven't watched Shrek, so I probably wouldn't be able to do a sporking justice.
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Keep it.It's so strange that it's well worth the space (nm) by
on 2015-12-04 13:22:00 UTC
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it's completely mission able too by
on 2015-12-04 13:41:00 UTC
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The Oc is a complete Mary Sue Whose got Fire powers and I think is meant to be Elsa's twin. The author also seems to love run on sentences because there are so many like this one:
"Look at you, benevolent snow princess of Aren-delle! So many friends! Ha! They only like you better than me all because everybody and everybody else always complain about how annoying I just had to get, my nuttiness, craziness and insanity, they felt that I constantly make you suffer putting up with me, my stupidity and idiocy, my stubbornness, I'm always have to be the fault of the sisterly drama so everybody and everybody else always feels free to take your side over mine, side with you and be on your side!" -
This Fic is a format changing crossover with Sherk by
on 2015-12-04 13:55:00 UTC
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One of the two sues and a character replacement Anna go to Sherk and Fiona. Fiona talks about adopting the character replacement and Sue with Sherk. Not to mention the parts that randomly change to script format and the songs put into the fanfic.
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I also second (or third or whatev)... by
on 2015-12-04 16:35:00 UTC
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...keeping and missioning the badfic, btw. It sounds ridiculous enough that a DIC team should be able to handle it with little trouble and even littler fanfare. XD
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*snatches up mini in his talons* by
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The proper spelling is "Shrek", just fyi.
I wonder what minis from this continuum would be? Gingerbread men? Mini-Donkeys? Mini-Dronkeys, maybe?? -
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I swore I typed Shrek.
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Mini-Gingys would be fun, but remember... by
on 2015-12-04 23:05:00 UTC
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...whoever writes the first mission or the OFU for a particular canon gets to decide the mini type.
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I also say keep it! by
on 2015-12-04 12:33:00 UTC
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I have never seen or heard of something like this happening before either. And it looks pretty missionable too.
It would also probaly make for a pretty weird mission. Imagine the shock the agents would get from learning that someone wrote an entire fanfic on the comment section of another fanfic! XD
Also, let me just say that your story is looking pretty awesome, Star. Not that I had any doubts that it would be just that. I have always thought that you were a great writer ever since I first read Until The World Ends. Keep the good work! :D -
Oh, yeah. I've heard of that... by
on 2015-12-04 05:49:00 UTC
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But never on The Pit. Seen it on a few other sites, but most of them are troll/fanbrat magnets. But, yeah, I'd say keep it, if only for historical value.
Have you ever heard of Dwarf Fortress? A common pastime is to post small stories from really awesome games onto the forums. More than once have I seen someone turn one into a full-fledged fanfic, many of which are quite good.
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I say keep it by
on 2015-12-04 04:32:00 UTC
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Just for the sheer weirdness factor. I mean, I've never heard of something like that happening.
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Paging Skarmory by
on 2015-12-04 13:35:00 UTC
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Did you see my response to that co-write request you made to me yet?
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Replied. Sorry for the delay! ^^; (nm) by
on 2015-12-04 13:48:00 UTC
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No problem (nm) by
on 2015-12-04 14:19:00 UTC
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Permission Request, second take. by
on 2015-12-04 19:04:00 UTC
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So, last time I posted these prompts, it was a fail. But thanks to games like Fire Emblem, I learned obstination, no matter how great the failure. So here I am again, to ask Permission, hoping to add my writing to the awesome and crazy universe of the PPC. I offer all my thanks to Dorano, SkarmorySilver and Tira for their hard work as beta readers. I couldn't have posted this without them.
Without further additions, I'll post the prompts:
-The Agents of RC 2882437.
-Permission Prompt 1.
-Permission Prompt 2.
-The badfic who would be my first mission: WhatYouWishFor.
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Permission hat taken off. by
on 2015-12-04 19:48:00 UTC
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"...Well, our job is going into really bad fanfiction and killing the Sues in order to repair and protect canon..."
Department: Floaters.
That is not their job. If you want that to be their job, put them in the DMS. The Department of Floaters is supposed to be for agents who handle all sorts of missions, not 'Mary-Sues except I want to occasionally do something else'.
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Changed it, sorry. by
on 2015-12-04 20:33:00 UTC
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I guess that if I ever do missions which would have to do with the Floaters Division, I could write about a transfer.
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Well, that's the thing about Floaters... by
on 2015-12-04 20:36:00 UTC
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There's not really anything that is Floaters-specific because they basically specialize in not specializing. They're HQ's jacks-of-all-trades.
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I know it. by
on 2015-12-04 20:45:00 UTC
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I was just thinking about writing a really fast ad simple explanation for PPC, without having the time for more details. I should have elaborated it more, judging by your reactions.
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But that isn't a description of the PPC. by
on 2015-12-04 20:50:00 UTC
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It's a description of the Department of Mary Sues. The PPC is about way, way more than just killing Sues.
What you did is like saying 'it's where they make movies', and then claim you were writing 'a really fast [and] simple explanation for America'. No, what you just described was Hollywood.
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Understood. by
on 2015-12-04 20:53:00 UTC
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How much tie before I can try again?
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... by
on 2015-12-04 21:06:00 UTC
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... what?
Leaving aside the fact that I said before I wasn't wearing my PG hat, this has never been about time. If you don't have a grasp of what makes the PPC the PPC, you can wait ten years and still not get Permission. If you take on board whatever guidance you're offered and learn to write in the spirit of the PPC, you can get it easily.
Once again, I've still got the Hat off - but one thing Des said to you last time was 'It's odd for Richard to say that the PPC is basically all about Sues, especially since he's in Floaters and isn't a complete newbie.' Which is exactly what I've said to you today. What else didn't you change?
Look, Permission isn't a game of repeatedly throwing yourself at a door in the hope that it opens. It's about- oh, look, where did I put that meme?
That's why we're doing this: to check you can write decently. Not even perfectly - just decently!
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Dam oldbies! by
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(Great meme, too!)
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That is the best meme ever. (nm) by
on 2015-12-04 23:23:00 UTC
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Sorry about this. by
on 2015-12-04 21:34:00 UTC
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I must sound like a fanbrat right now, and I should learn how to read. I did miss this one and 'fixed' this with a change of Department.
Hardric, never doing anything halfway, especially when making a fool of himself.
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Last P.S. (feel free to ignore). by
on 2015-12-05 11:25:00 UTC
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When I asked this (stupid) question, I was thinking about propriety, not forcing my way in. And I must admit I thought "If I get this answer, there is no way I'm getting Permission this time." Once again, I apologize for behaving like a fanbrat and properly reading posts here.
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Raah, time*. (nm) by
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Last call for My Immortal. by
on 2015-12-04 21:52:00 UTC
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I posted last week that I was interested in taking this one on; however, for the reasons mentioned, I was going to hold off on putting down an immediate claim.
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One week and one day have since passed.
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...Well... by
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Forgive me if I've hit on the reasons you said you were unsure about claiming it in the first place. See, ship internet gets sent via a chain of federal mermaid satellites and they can be quite notoriously unreliable, too much time combing their hair and singing rather than handling their satellites properly, after all, so it's made checking the board a bit of a chore.
I have to admit I have some hesitance at you claiming yet another Legendary? It's becoming rather something of a theme with your spin-off, the quanity of infamous fics you've taken on.
This isn't to say that I think you'll do a bad job of it; it's more that my reaction was more around the lines of 'Again?'. There are only so many fics we consider "Legendary" around, and while people who are currently on the board (who have seen this post) may not have expressed interest, there may yet be in the future.
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I respectfully disagree. by
on 2015-12-07 06:26:00 UTC
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I don't see why Legendaries need to be treated any differently than "regular" badfic (aside from, perhaps, warning newbies not to read them without knowing what they're about, but then again I'd also say that one needs to warn people about reading AUGHfics in general) — someone claims them, and if they don't do anything or renew the claim after a year and a half, someone else can claim them.
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I think because they're a limited quantity. by
on 2015-12-07 07:20:00 UTC
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I believe July's concern is similar to... oh, if a company made a limited-edition run of 100 collectibles, and Iximaz promptly bought 75 of them. 'I don't see why the limited editions need to be treated any differently than "regular" collectibles - someone orders them, and if they don't pay in time, someone else can order them.'
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But, well... by
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It seems to me that there is a consensus here that missioning Legendaries solely because they're Legendaries is Bad — if I get your parable (I think this is the right word?) correctly, it's like buying those limited-edition collectibles solely because they're limited-edition and because they're super-special mega-awesome figurines of Emperor Palpatine that actually shoot lightning or something.
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I don't think anyone's said that in this thread, but yeah: a Star Trek fan should let people who actually want a lightning-shooting Palpy buy him, rather than buying them up simply because they're rare.
But then, I have similar issues with buying toys to keep them in their boxes, so there you go.
The point I think July was making was closer to this: if there are two chocolate cupcakes on the cake stall, and I buy both of them, it doesn't matter how legal it is - you still can't have a chocolate cupcake, because I've just eaten them both.
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Hrmhr. by
on 2015-12-07 11:02:00 UTC
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I get that hoarding a limited resource is Bad for obvious reasons. That's not what I have a problem with. It's the treatment of Legendary badfics as a limited resource (solely because they're infamous, mind; there is no dearth of bleepfics that simply don't make it to Legendary status because they're not infamous enough) that feels problematic to me. Like PC and others said elsewhere, you're not supposed to mission a Legendary solely because it's a Legendary; if you're not supposed to do that, then you're not supposed to look at whether a fic is Legendary or not when you think about claiming it (aside from in the 'can I write a funny mission on this really bad fic' sense, but you'd do that for bleepfics or WhatThe fics or stuff that goes to DAVD anyway... or any fic, really).
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There's a difference... by
on 2015-12-07 11:47:00 UTC
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... between 'solely' and 'at all'. Dafydd's final mission was Clbr_n because it was legendary (and thus a suitable capstone to his story), and because I had a way to do it, and because it would hit the right buttons to get the responses from him I needed, and because it gave me a suitable place to blow up. Iximaz didn't just look at Rose Potter and go 'hey, she looks pretty dangerous, I'll use her as the one to Time Lordify Rina' - she went (something along the lines of) 'the legendary Rose Potter is the right time to make this massive character change'.
Your point appears to be 'you shouldn't buy a car just because it's red, so don't look at the colour at all'. Which would be a very strange way to choose a car. ^~
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on 2015-12-07 12:34:00 UTC
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We have added to the list of Legengedaries, very- and I stress that intensifier- very slowy since I joined. In 2007. Since then, the ones I can remember being added to the list, and being present for to agree, yeah, those are legendary? Cupcakes and LBT: LxC. That's it. Out of that tiny list there. So yes, there is* a reason to treat them as a limited resource, and that is because they are.
To qualify, Des, in your initial response that we shouldn't treat "Legendary" badfic any different, I think the fact that we already qualify them as Legendary means we treat them as different right off the bat.
Just because everyone here right now isn't interested in claiming this particular Legendary doesn't automatically mean Iximaz should have an all-clear to have on her kill-list a good portion of the list we have.
A very small fraction of the Boarders around now were here back when I first joined; would it still be okay and fair to newer boarders who weren't around back then if, say, to borrow names from the past, Anjilly had taken up a bunch of the Legendaries? Or Rilwen? Or Laburnum? Or Araeph?
And as for your aside to hS regarding the what-if about limited edition collectibles: just because something is 'legal' doesn't make it right or fair, which is something I believe we as a community also try to aim for.
My objection isn't 'making missions out of Legendaries for the sake of it'. That is already an understood matter at large, and we have done a pretty good job of hammering it into people that we don't go after fics that are Awful Just Because They Are So Awful We Need to Show Everyone How Much Awful We Can Tolerate Compared To You. It is 'we only have so many Legendaries, and we still have people join every month, and some of them even stick around for years. It isn't fair to those new people and people who haven't even shown up yet that Iximaz has claimed so many Legendaries and done missions for them, leaving others without that opportunity.'
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Speaking to this particular claim, loads of people have had the chance to mission "My Immortal" over the years, and no one's done it. If Iximaz comes along and actually wants to, and is pretty sure she can pull it off (which I think we all know by now that she can), why shouldn't she? How long has this particular collectible lightning-shooting red car been sitting on the lot, gathering dust?
Same argument goes for the other Legendaries Ix has taken. Most of them, if not all of them, have been sitting around unmissioned for years, waiting for someone with the right combination of interest, time, and perseverance to come along and claim them. It seems like Ix is just the rare individual they've been waiting for. I don't think assuming that another like her is going to come along anytime soon makes sense.
That said, I do take the point that putting so many Legendaries in one spin-off seems... eh, I don't know, exactly. Vaguely wrong somehow. Maybe because it seems to clash with how things appear to work in-universe? But we're not talking about in-universe, we're talking about a spin-off. But then, supposing we're looking for some sort of normal missions-to-Legendaries ratio, the Aviator has, I think, something like 40 completed missions and interludes to her name. Four of those are Legendaries. That's, what, a whopping ten percent of the spin-off?
To compare, Dafydd's spin-off totals 18 stories, two of which are Legendaries. (Three, if you count "Woodsprite of the North," but we won't here.) His ratio is actually a little higher than Ave's one in ten. The only difference between them is that his ended and hers is still going, so there's no longer a possibility that he'll do more.
... I dunno, guys. The truth is, I don't really have a huge stake in this either way. Personally, I'm only interested in one Legendary, and I don't much care what happens to the rest. Plus, I consider myself to have tackled one already in "Blood Raining Night"; it's just that it isn't acknowledged as such because it's freaking impossible to get this community to agree on a policy for deciding when to acknowledge new ones, so it doesn't count. Supposing you wanted to hunt Legendary-quality badfic without sparking a debate like this one, all you'd have to do is keep an eye out in other places on the Internet and nab the ones the PPC hasn't tagged yet. So, I guess I don't really see the point of getting fussed about it.
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'Woodsprite' isn't. by
on 2015-12-07 18:01:00 UTC
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Dafydd and Selene may have treated it like a Big Thing, but unless you remember otherwise, I think it was just a random badfic.
(Dafydd: "Just because people haven't heard of it doesn't make it easy to deal with!")
You (er, Nesh, not Dafydd) make a good point - though one could point out that a) my missions:legendaries ratio is a lot smaller, and b) there's a lot of agents who aren't Dafydd out there - and one that hadn't crossed my mind. (But then, I already said I didn't mind...)
As for 'new legendaries' - I still think something has to be actually legendary to count. As in, people should have heard of it without even knowing what it's about.
Which a) [or should that be c)?] means that "Blood Raining Night" should count from my perspective (I don't even know what fandom it is, but I recognise the name), and b) suggests that we may have a lot of legendaries that are that way because their missions showed them to be terrifying enough. Which is an interesting thought...
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Um, guys... by
on 2015-12-08 04:11:00 UTC
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If this is going to be a problem, I can just, you know, drop the claim. It wouldn't be the end of the world if someone else picked it up.
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To clarify my point of view: by
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I don't care either way. ^_~
By the way... given that you gave My Inner Life a moderately subdued sendoff, how would you feel about a hypothetical situation where Jenna returned (in full-on LQ rant mode) and had to be re-killed in more dramatic fashion? I don't have any actual plans to do this, mark you - it's just that as one of those who's known LQ's rants for over a decade, it's something I might consider in the future, if you thought it was okay.
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hS and I aren't saying that. by
on 2015-12-08 05:45:00 UTC
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I'm not even 100% sure July is, either. Actually, I think her point that her reaction to hearing you're doing another one is "meh, again?" is stronger than the "leave some for other people" bit. Were I you, I'd be more concerned that it's not going to have as much of an impact as you might like—on your characters as well as your audience, come to think of it. If tackling Legendaries becomes old hat to the characters, then you've got a real problem. ... Maybe give this one to Gabrielle and the Doktor? Sure, Enoby is a Sue, but she's a troll first and foremost, and the fic is certainly WTF-worthy. This is a thought I just had.
Anyway, if you hadn't noticed, us oldbies just like to argue with each other. It doesn't necessarily mean anything dire. {; P
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But they did a Legendary as well! by
on 2015-12-08 12:37:00 UTC
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Their first mission was to Draco's Christmas Cuppa!
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on 2015-12-07 23:30:00 UTC
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I think I said what I think and don't have anything constructive to contribute, except for two things:
a) I think that what differentiates Legendaries from Bleepfics is precisely the infamy. There are a lot of horrible writing out there — off the top of my head, there's TSAB DOWNFALL: Halo War, Everybody In Annie's Forest, Rose cuts the doctors penis off and puts it in a sock (yes, that's a thing, Ix and Scape missioned it), Harry Potter and the Four Founders — but none of it is considered Legendary because people didn't hear about them.
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I'd love to get a consensus on that.
To respond to something hS said, and one reason I think consensus is so difficult: What you've heard of largely depends how active you are in a given fandom and/or the places on the Internet where fanfic gets talked about. Back in the day, most PPCers were active in LotR fan communities, so they knew what everyone was buzzing about because they were there, doing it. Nowadays, not only do we not all share a unifying fandom, not all of us are active in our fandoms beyond the PPC, either.
I speak here of myself. These days, I pretty much only hear about the fics that set their fandoms abuzz when someone mentions them here or I happen to stumble across them on Channel Awesome or Buzzfeed or something. (I am thus often behind the times.) I suspect this goes for many of us.
I mention this because, in the past, people have wanted the yardstick for Legendaries to be that they're legendary among PPCers. This clearly doesn't work; fics only get legendary among PPCers these days if their mission makes them so.
Taking a left-turn here (because I'm tired and holding a train of thought is hard), responding to another thing hS said: Legendary Missions. How 'bout this being a thing, eh? Phobos likes the idea, too.
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I don't think Legendary Missions would work. by
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For a couple of reasons:
1/ We'd be giving awards to ourselves. That... doesn't sound like a good idea. Even the best people will eventually fall into partisan voting and/or sulking that they haven't been nominated.
2/ If the criteria in any way involves 'people have heard of it', then you're going to end up with a list massively top-heavy with, y'know, active Boarders who talk about their missions. I am not willing to say that Huinesoron/Neshomeh/Iximaz/Skarmory is a better writer than everybody who wrote only one or two missions and then left.
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There are a variety of missions that stand out in my mind for one reason or another, though... "Woodsprite" I've mentioned; there's the one where Pads goes into labor because the fic says Sirius Black gives birth, that was amazing... Selena Rose the Piratate? Honesah Hoononee Keemo getting killed twice? The A/V Division so creatively taking down that Balrog Sue?
... This reminds me that I had an idea for a PPC Story Awards thing, and I never got around to running it. If I ever do, though, there ought to be a Historical Mission category or two, too...
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Yeahbut, yeahbut. :-/ by
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You said earlier that we don't all share the same fandoms any more - that cuts in on this idea, too. I've only read a couple of Trojie and Pads' missions, partly because I'm not interested in high-rating reading, but also because HP isn't my fandom. I recognise the Piratate from that word alone, and Honesah solely from her Mirror counterpart... it's all gotten too big for everyone to have common 'great missions' in their minds.
The Story Awards might well work - though, yikes, you've got eleven categories there, do we even make that many stories a year? And to what extent is that going to end up massively top-heavy with half a dozen people's writing?
I think it would be worth doing... but it would also be worth making an actual list of what people have written in the last year. (And deciding whether you include 'PPC multiverse' material, such as OFUs and Ispace). If you want to do it, January is probably the best time - as you said back then, it's simple.
(And speaking of annual things - are we getting a Christmas Filk thread this year? [Hopeful eyes])
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Hmm... by
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I think that if the problem is that we don't have a nearly-complete consensus for Legendary-ness, the solution is to decide that what's a wide enough consensus for something to be Legendary and go with that. We don't even have to decide the standard immediately; we can nominate stuff, see what's known and what's not, and go from there.
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Well... by
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I consider "Blood Raining Night" to be Legendary because of what turns up when you Google it. A bunch of the hits on the first page are the story itself on FF.net, dA, YouTube, the author's website, and its Wikia (oh my god it has its own wiki now WTF), but then you also get its TV Tropes and Know Your Meme articles. The fact that is has those is telling; proceed to the second page of Google hits and you see why: lots of sites reviewing, reading, and otherwise talking about the fic, for better or worse. My mission doesn't even show up until page 7, when the hits stop all being strictly related to the fic.
So, when something is getting talked about that much, in so many different places, that's got to be Legendary, right?
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That... sounds pretty reasonable. by
on 2015-12-10 21:17:00 UTC
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I would accept that as being Legendary. I note that you got those results without quote marks, which is probably the gold standard.
I think there has to be something in there about being known outside its own fandom(s), though. Otherwise, for example, anything My Little Pony related is likely to get an easy ride in, purely because of how large their fandom is (was?). "Blood Raining Night" seems to qualify; so does "My Inner Life" (with the same kind of Google results). Woodsprite of the North, for comparison, is overshadowed by soap. ^_^
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Yeah, that definitely works as a standard for me. (nm) by
on 2015-12-11 01:38:00 UTC
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Time to propose the idea in a new thread, then? (nm) by
on 2015-12-11 04:19:00 UTC
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Sounds like. by
on 2015-12-11 09:05:00 UTC
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You might want to throw in some common-sense rules, too, specifically:
-The Google hits must not all be because of the PPC mission.
-It must be famous in its own right, not just as a sequel/prequel/other story by the same author.
-Everyone in the PPC who has an opinion must agree that it's bad!
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Shall I, or should I leave this to someone else? (nm) by
on 2015-12-12 19:19:00 UTC
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Go right ahead. by
on 2015-12-12 21:07:00 UTC
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It'll sound really self-serving if I do it, with BRN as the yardstick for how to identify a Legendary these days. {= P But mainly, I don't have much time to run a discussion.
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All true. by
on 2015-12-09 15:16:00 UTC
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And I don't know how to resolve the lack of overlap... except, potentially, by incentivizing sharing. People will do a lot just to see what all the fuss is about—or at least, I will. The trick is kicking up enough fuss. ... Which sorta brings us back to square one. Sigh. {= /
Re. PPC Story Awards, yeah, it is a lot of categories. Chances are, one story would probably sweep a few of them each year. The best ones to cut would probably be the "assassination/exorcism/takedown" ones, except that I feel the latter two are pretty important to keep, to make sure non-assassination missions get their time in the sun. Any other ideas on pruning?
Top-heaviness is probably dependent on how many people are writing vs. prolific-ness of each writer; the prolific ones are more likely to get nominated a bunch. Making a list of everything published in the year might help less prolific folks to not get overlooked. Making the list would be a chore, but yes, worth doing.
Maybe "Best AU" could be "Best AU/PPC Multiverse Story"?
[And yes, there will be a Holiday Filk thread at some point, probably next week. {= ) ]
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I think... by
on 2015-12-09 15:47:00 UTC
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... it would be best to see how many stories we're talking about before you decide how many categories need to be trimmed. Which just needs some helpful person to go through the last year of Board pages and pull out... everything... that...
... oh, shards. It's going to be me, isn't it?
Ergh. Well, anyway: if there's only 20 fics written, then 10 categories would probably be overdoing it. If there's 100, we could have 30 and still have non-ranking stories.
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Your database-fu is stronger than mine. by
on 2015-12-09 16:17:00 UTC
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So yes, since you're volunteering, I'd be grateful. And hey, then you'll get to have fun making graphs about it, right? {= )
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Blah. >:( by
on 2015-12-09 16:25:00 UTC
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I'm working vaguely through it now. For the record, to count as a story, I am arbitrarily saying that something must be:
-Linked to, not directly posted on the Board (though things which are later re-posted as links count).
-Narrative, rather than purely informational (eg, my OFU tests do not count).
-Posted by someone with Permission (so not part of a Permission request, however successful).
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To use the car example... by
on 2015-12-07 12:12:00 UTC
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The colour is one of the least important factors when you come to choose a car. You want to look at stuff like fuel efficiency, handling, comfort and so on. So, yeah, when buying a car, you shouldn't look at the colour; it's an afterthought (car's perfectly good in all other respects, but only comes in ugly beige? Buy it).
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I'm sure you could have come up with your own example. by
on 2015-12-07 12:56:00 UTC
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Why don't you assume I said 'you shouldn't read a book just because it's sci-fi, so don't look at the genre at all, just whether reviewers think it's good'?
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*looks around for hS; doesn't see him* Ahem... by
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And so, the Baroness Iximaz prepares to go off on yet another quest that none of the Knights of Plort would dare to undertake. Scarcely one year has passed since she battled against the Cult of Six Roses, said battle having badly damaged the Baroness and broken the bow Rina. Now armed with her remade bow, alternatively named Rina, Aviator, and a name unpronounceable to most not from the lands of Doktaru, Iximaz ventures forth against a vile Marizu of many names, one of which being Raven Way.
The skies over Castle De'endee fill with Air'ihpotre post owls from all over Plort, the letters containing well-wishes for the departing Baroness, offers from practitioners of Beytah to ride beside her on her quest, or inquiries as to her sanity; surely one must be mad to face a Marizu like Raven Way when she had barely recovered from her fight against the Cult of Six Roses!
The following is the letter of the wanderer Filius Caeli:
Esteemed Baroness,
I have recently heard that milady is planning to venture against the Marizu Raven Way. Were I more knowledgeable in the ways of Jakaiar, I would offer my services, but alas! I fear I cannot render my aid in such a fashion. I only hope that Kanun and Spelin protect you, and that your devotion to Jaikaiar does you well in this quest. Know that, as always, I will be there to welcome you on your return.
The best of luck to you, Lady Iximaz.
Signed,
Filius Caeli, Wanderer of Weab, Seeker of Lore
((When I saw that you were planning on taking on My Immortal, this idea came to mind, so here it is. Good luck with sporking yet another Legendary Badfic. Did you buy enough M&Ms for this one? Maybe you should invest in some tea as well.
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May your bow and arrow hit their mark, milady! (nm) by
on 2015-12-07 13:31:00 UTC
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Godspeed Baroness Iximaz (nm) by
on 2015-12-06 15:04:00 UTC
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May all the gods protect you, my lady. (nm) by
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Ruddy grandstanding newcomers. >:( by
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((Obviously I have no objections, or else I would've said something earlier. Just making that clear in case Baron Me confused things. He's a grump. ~hS))
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For once... by
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I actually agree with the esteemed lord Protector — what if word reaches the Marizu?
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My forging skills are at the Baroness' service. by
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I beg pardon for not speaking with Baron Ampelius before, but if Baroness Iximaz is to require any metal working, the Seneschal is here to provide.
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"Then it do reach 'em." by
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"The warmakin' and crusadin' of milady fair is known in song an' tale from 'ere to the Tynee-Vandams. Sayin' as she do march fer the Marizu heartland at the 'ead of an army, with all the exaggeratin' stories as follow such things like fleas on a tatterdemalion, will be dismissed as stories. Wait a year be my counsel, good sir Baron. Wait a year, for milady's phoney war to end. Then strike. Take a few. Take the best. Strike in the night and melt away like morning dew. Make an assassin's work of the fight a battle cannot win."
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Ehe... ^^; by
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Well, I'm not setting out to spork this one right away. It'll likely be a year at the least before I tackle it; I want to give my agents some breathing room, not to mention if any mission's ever had to be perfect before, it's this one. So I'm going to be doing a lot of prepping (lol preps geddit) for the mission. Thinking of jokes, coming up with snark, that sort of thing.
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Well, I salute you, brave girl. by
on 2015-12-05 22:30:00 UTC
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If my Agents or just my beta-reading can be of your service, count me in.
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The straitjacket's in the post. =] (nm) by
on 2015-12-05 21:56:00 UTC
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As much as I would love to... by
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I wouldn't do anything decent with it. Let me paraphrase something:
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*Plays bag pipes for your sanity* by
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You mad, brave, stubborn, mad woman. (nm) by
on 2015-12-05 01:22:00 UTC
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I agree. Iximaz, you're crazy. by
on 2015-12-05 11:07:00 UTC
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Legendaries are not good for your health. And for that of your Agents.
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I swear I'm not! by
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I'm just incredibly stubborn, that's all. ^^; -
If only I had permission by
on 2015-12-04 23:06:00 UTC
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I'd do it if I only had permission. Go on and take it on.
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I'm considering this oneÂ… But let me look at it first. by
on 2015-12-04 22:34:00 UTC
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I'll let you know my opinion ASAP.
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Nevermind. Not gonna do it. (nm) by
on 2015-12-04 23:47:00 UTC
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Back!! by
on 2015-12-04 23:31:00 UTC
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Wow. I kind of disappeared for 6 months but I'm back now!! Exciting!
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Welcome fellow returnbie! by
on 2015-12-06 14:18:00 UTC
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I don't think we have meet before, so nice to meet you! I was gone for about 10 months, so I definitely get the feeling.
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Hello returnbie. by
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Please have this bag of black-hole chocolate.
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Welcome back! by
on 2015-12-05 01:33:00 UTC
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I just looked up your intro post, do you still have the newbie gifts I gave you? (A Gryffindor scarf, a magnifying glass that looks like the Lens of Truth, and some popcorn) Even if you do, I have way too many mini-Missingno on my hands, so here's your new companion: sunstone! It doesn't eat and has a mean sense of humor. Have fun!
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Welcome back! by
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Have a plate of welcome-back SPaGhetti!
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Thanks yo by
on 2015-12-04 23:34:00 UTC
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I'll be sure to appreciate it with all of my skeleton bros.
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Spooky Scary Skele-bros? by
on 2015-12-05 21:45:00 UTC
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As in Sans and THE GREAT PAPYRUS?!
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NYEH-HEH-HEH (nm) by
on 2015-12-06 16:33:00 UTC
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Question About Trollfics by
on 2015-12-05 14:38:00 UTC
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Are sporking them allowed? More specifically, are sporking deliberately made trollfics allowed?
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I've seen it done in the past. by
on 2015-12-06 06:50:00 UTC
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And the reason they were sporked is that they were awful. I mean, in an objective story sense. Not because they were trollfics. Though, there is a lot of overlap between badfic and trollfic, due to bad writing being an easy trolling technique. It is also not clever or funny, and just plain amateur, at least when it's not used as satire.
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Here. by
on 2015-12-05 19:38:00 UTC
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*points you to the Wiki*
Actually, confirmed trolls are, from what I understand, better to go after when looking for a trollfic, since calling an unconfirmed troll a troll can be seen as a jab at the author.
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Though there's a certain amount of humour... by
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... in refusing to admit that it's a troll, and missioning it entirely 'straight'. (Per the PPC's 'certain point of view' laws of nature, that would prevent a troll-entity forming...)
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*snrk* Good point. (nm) by
on 2015-12-05 20:49:00 UTC
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Yes, I think. by
on 2015-12-05 15:27:00 UTC
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Falchion and the Fisherman already missionned trollfics, so it should be okay. Be warned though, both of them showed the troll as a dangerous opponent to the Agents.
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Well, yeah. by
on 2015-12-05 20:40:00 UTC
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In pretty much every continuum known, trolls are powerful, dangerous creatures. One that's intelligent enough to know how to provoke people would be even more so.
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Double Feature Super Special! by
on 2015-12-05 23:55:00 UTC
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Between the three of us, we're offering up two tender morsels for your delectation and delight.
The first is a gentle interlude containing mild spoilers for New Series 9 of Doctor Who courtesy of DawnFire and Desdendelle, as two friends discuss their futures.
However, if you don't want spoilers but do want Doctor Who-centric PPC goodness, help is at hand! There's something fishy going on with Rose Tyler, and Dawn teams up with The Notary and Wobbles The Clown to sort it out in The Wobbles And Notary PPC Power Hour #2!
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Yay, Scapegrace has a new mission! by
on 2015-12-10 04:15:00 UTC
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And a darn good one, too! I'm too tired to give my usual list of things, so just accept a post full of kudos! *tosses confetti*
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Thank you! Turned out I work well under adult supervision. (nm) by
on 2015-12-10 14:05:00 UTC
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That was fun. by
on 2015-12-06 13:57:00 UTC
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And the combined crazyness of Dawn and Wobbles making Notary less of a Notary was interesting, too.
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Glad you enjoyed it! by
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Yeah, that was a poor choice of words. What we were going for was to describe this Thomas wallah as completely superfluous, and nameless is another way of saying that. I shall adjust it later...
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Feel free to use it. (nm) by
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Woohoo! Wobbles returns (and the Notary). by
on 2015-12-06 08:58:00 UTC
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Let's react to these works.
First, who is this guy and what did he do to the Librarian? I mean, how the heck Reader manages to bring this guy's compassion and good side, or is he just holding all of it for her only? As for their Rassilon matter, I think the Armory have a stash of plasma grenades who only need a target and its pocket to be operational.
Second, sorry for you Dawn, being alone really sucks.
However, thinking about 'Time Lords are the best for a Doctor Who mission', this was bound to happen. Although here and Wobbles are perfect together.
Lola, Lolus, hm? Didn't know that was a latin name.
Notary exists to suffer, right? Tat's alright though, more comedy for us.
Okay, when someone can resume a whole fic that way, you know it's really bad, or worst, generic.
Wait a second, the Notay knows Darth Maul? How did she reacted when they dragged him back for this... 'series'?
Uh, the tech she's talkking about would be Alex, right?
Notary, making a good joke? She should try human disguise more often.
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As to Lump — you might want to take a look at this interlude; this reaction ficlet did not come out of nowhere. Of course, [spoilers] explains some of it — I hope to publish it soonTM, along with some other things I and other people have cooking. Stay tuned!
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Already read it. by
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Could not help but imagine a ship for a short moment after that (Naya was first, Lump), and trying to think about this traumatic event in Librarian's past.
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New Solo Mission! by
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In which Natalie goes to the Redwall continuum once again and must deal with the very smug and glorious Ironic Overpower.
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Ehh... by
on 2015-12-06 20:27:00 UTC
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When I click on the link, I get a message saying that the document isn't open and I was sent on MyDrive. Is that normal?
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Solo missions are tricky by
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I’m not sure whether this is the reason why I found the pre- and post-mission parts more interesting than the mission itself, or whether it’s "all I know about Redwall I learned from reading PPC missions, so I don’t care much".
Crash Dummies aren’t necessary? Agent Cadmar and some others disagree.
Yes, meta-fictionally, you don’t need a Dummy. TOS and early spin-offs don’t use Dummies, because Araeph had not invented them yet. If handling the Dummy would distract from the mission, you can get away with ignoring the fic’s first person nature, even when it’s obvious from quotes. (The Agents probably forgot the First-Person Dummy or don’t even know about it, because they were never properly trained, and they got away unpossessed because the Sue Wraith preferred acting out the story in a corporeal projection – because who understands the proceedings of a Wraith?)
But Natalie remembering the Dummy and leaving it behind, just because "somebody" told her that it isn’t really necessary makes her look either stupidly reckless or recklessly stupid to me.
The ferret thought several random things ...
That’s a colloquialism I’m guilty of using too, but shouldn’t she actually have "thought several random thoughts"?
... which then led to some very random thought about animal-heat relief.
Combined with "some" (not "one"), these should be "thoughts" (plural). Did you try to avoid repetition when you made her think "random things" earlier?
I always knew Restoration, but it was buried from fear.
I would have said "by fear", but maybe Khajiit talk like this?
And then Za’kiir is stupidly reckless or recklessly stupid just to check whether he learned healing. May you be up to something there?
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So with the Protectorate... by
on 2015-12-06 21:22:00 UTC
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Are we allowed to just add our own character, or is there some kind of prior requirement?
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Dude. by
on 2015-12-06 21:54:00 UTC
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There's a page in the wiki. It's easy to find.
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And is out of date in one key respect: by
on 2015-12-06 23:22:00 UTC
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It links to the old Cyclopaedia rather than the current one. I've tweaked that.
It is permitted to work up your story and make a page for yourself on the Plort wiki. Please don't edit anywhere else, though; we try to keep that to when there's a relevant thread. (And no, I won't be making heraldry out-of-season; it's a lot of work.)
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Apropos out-of-season... by
on 2015-12-07 06:23:00 UTC
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When is Plort season?
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It is legal to hunt Plorts every Thursday 3rd. ^_^ by
on 2015-12-07 07:35:00 UTC
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The Beginner's Guide to Plort says that the Baronial Council thread is in June. Lesser threads pop up when they're relevant, and may or may not result in me having the energy to play with maps and shields and things.
(Any particular reason, or just asking?)
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Eh... just asking, I guess? by
on 2015-12-07 07:36:00 UTC
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I really enjoy the whole and I enjoy playing with it.
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And the Mattman derps again! (nm) by
on 2015-12-06 22:01:00 UTC
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Constructive criticisms don't work on fangirls. by
on 2015-12-07 07:42:00 UTC
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I learn this the hard way by being blocked on DA after wasting such a long time trying to tell an author why her fanfictions were bad, and how she could improve it.
*sigh*
Yeh, I saw a piece of essay before, saying that constructive criticisms only worked when the stories have some merits to begin with, and when the author is willing to listen to it.
But I thought maybe it was possible to persuade one of them, and when I found a definitely mission-worthy Bleepfic series, my first reaction was to post a LONG essay of constructive criticism.
I was so wrong.
After the author kicked up two tantrums in the comment sections and I replied to each one of them, telling her why excuses like "THIS IS ONLY A FANFICTION!!!" would not work(calmly and politely without any personal insults).
Then she blocked me and hidden all previous conversations, with one final outburst:
"Okay,if you are just here to make fun of it, then honestly **** off. I'm srsly done with all of this. "
Miss Naïve Confidence that one can persuade a fangirl, let her see her mistakes and correct them got a One-Hit-KO.
Yep, totally. Holding back my burning frustrations to be as nice as possible in the comments to give useful advices, and got a "**** off" right in the face as my reward.
Geez, I thought I was the one who was suppose to be mean, overreacting and rude.
Guess I deserve this after all, ignoring wise advices that came from past experiences of oldbies......
*sigh again*
Now I should go working on my permissions, add that nasty Bleepfic series to my future mission list and grab a few bottles of Bleepka to erase the horrifying mental images brought to me by that series.
[Lesson learnt: Some people just will not take any critiques, even when it make sense.]
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Taking criticism is an acquired skill. by
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It's wise to bear in mind that many badficcers are inexperienced at writing and thus may also be inexperienced at being critiqued. Being confronted with an essay on why their story sucks is tough for anybody, let alone someone who may never have received a real critique before. Do you think you might have come on a bit strong?
Links to the fic and your concrit would help very much in answering this question.
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Totally right. by
on 2015-12-09 10:10:00 UTC
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I was probably a little emotional when I posted this thread. Yep, being misconstrued by someone I was trying to help really get on my nerves, but like what you had said, taking criticisms need experience and passion.
That Bleepfic series, according to my observations, had never received any negative feedbacks before until someone who was as traumatized as me posted a hyperbolic comment, and my critiques was actually written down under the author’s reply to her. That could possibly explain why the author had such a bad reaction to negative feedbacks——she was indeed inexperienced in receiving criticisms.
I tried to be as polite as possible in the critiques, but maybe I am still too blatant when pointing out mistakes instead of trying to talk about them in a more subtle manner. Making people accept criticisms is also a skill, and I definitely need to practice on it. Thank you for telling me that.
I would like to give you a link to the series, but unfortunately, my critiques and conversations with the author had all been hidden by her, so you will not be able to see it. I kept one of the draft for the critiques on my computer, but due to the fact that I am still in China, I cannot actually posted it onto a google document and share it with you. Sorry about that.
Here is the series(Warning: NSFW/NSFB) http://bloodyfangs75.deviantart.com/gallery/48340614/SCP-shipping
P.s. Yep, a whole series of smut might be not so horrifying in some other continuum, but this is SCP Foundation Universe we are talking about. If you know about the nature and canon of this continuum, it will be no surprise that this SCP Shipping series is indeed a collection of Bleepfics.
My critiques is on the second one of the Journal series, and if you are not sure, just look at the comment sections of each fiction. A whole jumble of “hidden by owner” comments are quite easy to spot. -
*snort* Okay, bad smut is bad. by
on 2015-12-09 14:44:00 UTC
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Just read the two "Journal" stories. They are bad, and also funny in how formulaic and frankly boring they are. Plus, who writes stuttering in a journal entry? Very amusing. I don't know the continuum or the characters involved, so it's not hurting my brain, but yeah, needs a good solid critique for sure.
And, judging by the author's response to a simple "WTF?", which they could have simply ignored, we are certainly dealing with a very thin-skinned, defensive individual. Sheesh.
Any chance of you posting some or all of your review here on the Board?
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I think... by
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As Desdendelle said, it very much depends on whether the author genuinely cares about their writing and how to improve it, and whether they're open enough to accept criticism. Unfotunately turns out that most badfic writers I've personally encountered don't seem to fit into either of those - which is somewhat infuriating, but also kind of a shame at the same time.
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Yep. by
on 2015-12-08 06:03:00 UTC
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I had actually met badfic writers who cared about their stories, and after meeting very harsh and blatant critics, they accepted them humbly.
Some of them had really listen and did everything to change their writings, and after a few years, they become writing stars in the community.
That is the reason why I got a nasty surprise trying on different type of writers. Guess too much success and positive experiences in the past does not help.
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So how do you give good concrit to a badfic, exactly? (nm) by
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I struggled with that question myself. by
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If you read Agent Kaitlyn's Concrit at the end of every PPC: Driftwood mission, you can see how I tackled it. My key strategy was to draw out the positive ideas, which are pretty much always there, and take an 'it's a shame you didn't do [this] with the idea rather than [what you did], because that would've been awesome'.
I also made use of straight-up compliments for things that were actually done well, along with explanations for why they were good. From the first mission:
I'm impressed that you didn't feel the need to shoehorn Elsa's magic in right from the start, instead waiting for the time when it would make a proper impact on the story (and on Legolas!).
That way, if it was blind chance that they got it right, maybe they'll remember it for next time. ^_^
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What continuum is that bad fic from? (nm) by
on 2015-12-07 23:03:00 UTC
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SCP Foundation. by
on 2015-12-09 10:11:00 UTC
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A very serious continuum in general, and though this series of smut, Scriptfics and crack pairings may not be as horrifying and obnoxious in other continuum, it had definitely caused severe damage to the SCP Foundation canon due to its complete disregard of canon laws.
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So... by
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After reading this, now I simply must know! Can you please add a link to this fanfiction that spawned a veritable essay of concrit? Or is me asking for that indecorous?
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Of course. by
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Well... by
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You don't need any particular trait in a story in order for concrit to work, you just need an author that is willing to listen. Of course, some times the only concrit one can offer is "table this, start again from the beginning".
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A successful(ish) story by
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Not all attempts at giving concrit are doomed to fail. I was successful(ish) once.
As I was looking through the Bakugan section of FFN, I ran across this series of fics. At first, the OC was believable, and what was then portrayed as the main conflict (the OC's sister mysteriously disappeared some time ago) was quite intriguing. But as the series went on, the OC became more and more Sueish, up to the point where the Sue became a "secret member" of the Battle Brawlers (the protagonists) and was actually a behind-the-scenes catalyst for canon events. That, on top of a clearly Sueish power, made me stop reading and offer some concrit. You know what? She actually took it to heart--but was about to resolve it the wrong way: "I sometimes forget to point out her flaws and her overall rebellious attitude which can get in the way sometimes. ... I will try to de-sue her some more."
Fortunately, I responded quickly and got someone else to help clarify what made her OC a Sue.
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I have to agree with it. by
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I mean, I also made this type of constructive criticisms before on Chinese forums and writing communities, where people are much harsher and intolerant to bad writings.
I actually persuaded a couple of author using the same methods on that Bleepfic series, and though no further response was received, they accepted the advices genuinely.
Of course, those who were much more insolent and snobbish had already been sporked right in the face without any mercy by Very Harsh Critics in the community.
I guess this is the first time I tried that on someone who obviously did not want to listen to any critiques right from the start.
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Ah, critiquing blues... by
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There was one Warriors fic I found that summarized the first two chapters in a run-on sentence and was an Agnst!fic for sure, all in the summary. And then it had to say at the end, "I suck at summaries!" Seriously, I'm sick of that sentence. If we can't trust the author with a summary, why should we trust them with the story?
Fortunately, the story had only three very short chapters so far. So I PMed and told the author what I said about the summary-suck thing, said it was not a good idea at all to have the summary all in caps, and not to have it sound like you are begging for the audience to pity the MC. Thankfully, he said he could see some sense in all of that. Then I told him that to best fix the problems, he would have to delete his story and start over, but that I would help him in any way I could as a beta on Fanfiction.net as he rewrote.
His response: "Ooookaaaaay...?"
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Think about the bright side? by
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At least no response is better than getting an outburst or tantrum right in the face.
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Exactly. I'm happy that didn't happen. (nm) by
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*Facepalm* by
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Sorry, guess I was speaking from assumptions just now.
Usually when a fiction's breach of canon laws is severe to a point that you could not find any trace from the original work apart from the names, the critiques one can give is probably limited to something along the line "Would you kindly read/watch the work you are supposed to be a fan of, right from the start?"
Yes. No matter how bad a fanfiction is, as long as the author is willing to take advice, everything is fine.
However, badfic authors rarely react well to critiques. The worse the quality of the fiction, the less likely the chances that they WILL actually listen to a critic.
Well, not always, but still highly possible in most cases.
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Opinions on the Movies by
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I've been wondering about this for a while: what do all of you think about the movies made from your favorite books? I wasn't a Boarder when the Lord of the Rings or Hobbit movies were made, so I'm chiefly interested in them, but this also extends to HP and all other adapted continua.
Personally, I like the Middle-earth movies, although I'm much more fond of the LotR films than the Hobbit ones. They're well made and entertaining, but they've got flaws. A friend of mine encapsulated my feelings by saying that nothing about the movies increases the majesty of the original story or characters: they all either diminish or stay roughly the same. That's my biggest qualm. And Frodo telling Sam to go back.
No.
Just no.
So, what're the thoughts of the PPC on this topic?
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Only films? by
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Because my favourite books are probably A Song of Ice and Fire. And Game of Thrones started so well.
Then they changed Asha. And destroyed Robb Stark's parallel with his father. And made Brienne and the Hound fight. And casually killed Jojen.
I do think the Red Wedding works better on the show, though. And the opening is always good. But, yeah. I don't watch GoT anymore.
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Don't forget the worst. by
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Stannis willingly killing Shireen. Earrly killing of Barristan and supression of Euron and Victarion hurt too.
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Dude, spoilers. by
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I stopped watching after season 4 for exactly that reason - 5 was clearly going to go past Dance.
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Sorry about this. by
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However, these things never happened in the books, and 5 did not get beyond Dance, except for very small points. And the bit about Stanis is Character Replacement worthy
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Yeah, okay. by
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I still think that the mangling of Robb's story is the worst part - I could see Melisandre manipulating Stannis to dire lengths, particularly as winter sets in. But either way.
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Not sure about that. by
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On one hand, it could seem fairly ridiculous, on the other hand, I saw someone develop proofs of this theory, and I must admit that the arguments used make sense. Wait and See in the end. (Melisandre can manipulate Stannis to do many things, but I always get the impression Shireen was a line he would never cross.)
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I have a T-Shirt that says "the book was better" by
on 2015-12-09 05:39:00 UTC
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But in all honesty, I do like some book movies. The Hunger Games movie, for example, was very well done. I also liked Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows pt 1.
I also am a fan of the Marvel Cinematic Universe without having read many (if any at all) comics starring its superheroes, and adore the How To Train Your Dragon movies in their own right, knowing pretty much nada about the book series (to be fair, the movie doesn't really have much in common with the books). -
Seeker FULL STOP by
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Seeker: The Dark is Rising is the worst film adaptation of a book ever. I'd say that as an irrefutable fact. Not only did it almost completely ignore the premise of Susan Cooper's The Dark is Rising Sequence but it is quite possibly one of the worst films (not films are based off of a bad book, or the bad adaptation of a book, just films in general) ever made.
List of things the film adaptation redacted:
-Connection to Celtic Myth.
-Connection to Arthurian Myth.
-The protagonist's nationality which is tied to the Mythos.
-The entirety of it's Mythos.
-The protagonist (NO, HE WAS NOT "AGED UP". Book!Stanton and Movie!Stanton are two completely different characters).
-Removal of The Walker.
-The first book.
List of things the brilliant Hollywood Producers shoehorned in a hopeless bid to compete with the Harry Potter films
-Protagonist is a teen that only cares about girls and getting superpowers.
-Protagonist is now an American
-Trying to instil immediate sympathy for the protagonist by sicking bullies on him.
-Trying to instil sympathy for the protagonist because he is an American in a "foreign" country.
-Trying to instil sympathy for the protagonist because his family is essentially the Dursley's but with the numbers of the Weasley's.
-Christopher Eccleston, who left Doctor Who and walked face and eyes into this.
-Vikings, because why not?
-Ineffectual villains
-a 90 minute run time
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City of Bones by
on 2015-12-08 17:39:00 UTC
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Let me explain.
First of all, I know that the Harry Potter fandom has problems with Cassandra Clare. Honestly, I have never read her infamous 'Draco Trilogy' and I've seen this movie first. It interested me enough to read the books, and I sincirely enjoy the world Clare has created. It's not the best world I've ever seen, but definitely interesting and original one. Now, about the movie itself...
It's mediocre. It is not very good, simply because the first book is not very good. I realize it may contradict my previous statement but yes - The City of Bones is probably the worst opening book of any series I've ever read. Well, with a TV show hitting ABC Family (or, "Freeform") early January, I've decided to re-watch the adaptation from 2013.
The effects, the scenery, and the visuals - all of those deserve a praise. Especially nicely done were scenes in the Silent City, and at Magnus Bane's party. The casting works... for the most part. Godfrey Gao makes a spectacular Magnus Bane, Robert Sheehan is an adorkable Simon Lewis, and I will always praise Jemima West's Isabelle Lightwood (I would let that leather-clad huntress take her whip and...Umm... you didn't see that!). Unfortunately, there are some miscasts: Kevin Zegers seems too old to be playing Alec Lightwood, and Aidan Turner doesn't exactly struck me as Luke Garroway.
Now, what doesn't really work is the acting. While the lines themselves were really nice ("Downgraded from a gingerbread house to a one bedroom?
Overall, I'd give The Mortal Instruments: City of Bones 3 out of 5 starts. -
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Okay, please ignore the last two lines and let's continue from here:
Now, what doesn't really work is the acting. While the lines themselves sometimes can make you giggle ("Downgraded from a gingerbread house to a one bedroom?"), I feel like Jamie Bower's Jace has been Shyamalized and his acting completely taken away. The plot... well, it follows the original book, so it's not really good. My general impression of it was, "Screw the end of the world, and all the demons - we've got an awkward teen drama going on here!", but after I went through Book One (and it went much smoother, because of certain spoiler), the next ones were a bit more enjoyable.
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I actually rather liked the Hobbit films by
on 2015-12-08 13:02:00 UTC
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I can understand why other people might not, but I for one actually found them to be quite decent. I do think that there was quite a lot of wasted potential with regards to the storyline and character development, and I dislike the way quite a few of the scenes were executed (especially in BOTFA), but otherwise I didn't particularly mind a lot of the things which most people have been complaining about (or, at the very least, I could sort of understand the reasoning behind some of the film decisions that were made)? Maybe I'm just overly lenient when it comes to film adaptations, I dunno.
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I could go on about book-film adaptations at length. by
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But the movies made from my favorite books? If we're going by favorite (and stuff I've actually seen), then that'd have to be the Discworld made-for-TV Sky One movies. I saw all three -- Hogfather, The Color of Magic, and Going Postal -- after they found their way to Netflix for a time. They ran the gamut from "not bad, I suppose" to "yeesh, what the hell was that?" Some of the details have faded from my memory (it's been a while since I've seen them), but here's what I can recall.
Starting with the best first: Hogfather. Given how convoluted and meta the Discworld books can be, I thought this adaptation was pretty solid. Most of the major scenes were touched upon in some way or another, as best as I can recall. The biggest cuts came in regards to the little gods/personifications that kept popping up. The Oh God of Hangovers was there, but a number of others were not. Some of the stuff with the bandits in the Tooth Fairy's castle was also condensed/altered. Sidney the wizard was the one scared of the Scissor Man, for example.
The casting was solid, with Teatime being particularly creepy. My only complaint in that regard would be that Susan occasionally came across as too stolid sometimes. Particularly in scenes dealing with Death himself.
Notable scene(s): Pretty much anything with Alfred. He had some good reactions to the stuff Death was doing. I also liked the running gag with his trying to make a roll-up.
Right in the middle was The Color of Magic (which technically included The Light Fantastic as well). This one was... I guess weird would be the best way to describe it. The casting was particularly odd. The same guy who played Alfred in Hogfather was Rincewind, which totally clashed considering how relatively young Rincewind is supposed to be. Twoflower was played by Sean Astin, which was just... I mean, he did a damn good job, but come on! Apparently the director chose to satirize American rather than Asian tourists.
To the adaptation's credit, it managed to wrangle the convoluted plotlines of the first two books fairly well. Quite a bit of stuff was cut, such as the Temple of Bel-Shamharoth and the nymphs. The adaptation also explains away why Twoflower seemed to gain such a grasp over Morporkian so quickly despite the big hullaballo there was over his not initially being able to speak it. I love Terry Pratchett, but The Color of Magic (the book) does not exactly hold up. That being said, Astin!Twoflower lacks the sense of gentility and forgiveness that I remember Book!Twoflower having. There's a big scene in the adaptation where he and Rincewind have a falling out.
Notable scene(s): Almost any bit with Sean Astin. Good actor, extremely weird choice.
At the bottom of the barrel, we have Going Postal. This was especially galling for me as I love the first two Moist von Lipwig books (haven't read the last one). There's just so much wrong with this adaptation. The casting is mostly bad, with Moist and Adora feeling out of character at multiple points. Moist in particular lacked the charm and wit I associated with his book portrayal. The best casting decision was having Charles Dance as Lord Vetinari. Bit weird having a blond Vetinari given all the art I've seen, but damn Dance caught the essence of the character.
The plot was also shredded to hell and back. Angua's one appearance outed her as a werewolf almost immediately. The Post Office for some reason was less interested in getting the mail delivered and more with trying to redeem Moist by showing him his crimes. The confrontations between Moist and Reacher Gilt were expanded upon, for the worst. The ending is wildly changed and includes Moist being outed as a conman (thus sinking part of the plot for Making Money). Oh, and get this: Moist's getting Adora fired caused her to start smoking.
Oy vey.
Finally, I know this was a made-for-television production (and thus had a limited budget), but the golems were just hideous.
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I don't think I've been able to get through the movie without falling asleep, and I've tried a couple times. That's about the long and short of it, I think. {= (
It's a shame. I really want to like anything Discworld-related.
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I remember liking the Harry Potter movies. by
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I haven't seen them in a while, though, (and not even all of them; the last one I saw was Goblet of Fire) so I can't be totally sure.
I remember that I liked the Lord of the Rings movies, too; perfect for long car rides to and from the Outer Banks! Now I just need to find Return of the King...
I saw part of the Golden Compass movie on an airplane one time. I don't actually remember how I felt about it beyond "ooo, pretty". Do y'all think it's worth a rewatch?The Twilight ones were okay, too. Didn't see Breaking Dawn, though; I was convinced it would be a giant R-rated ball of nope for me. Turns out, I was wrong about the rating only. (I was in high school, don't judge me.) -
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The Percy Freaking Jackson movies. They had a chance to create a second Harry Potter franchise, one where we watch the characters- and therefore the actors- grow up. A franchise with Magic, but set in a modern world.
But instead they give the characters about 5 years of age and little semblance to the original canon or plot
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I'm gonna have my PJO fan licence revoked but... by
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While The Lightning Thief was pretty horrible, but... Mark Guggenheim (the guy behind Flash and Arrow) wrote the script for the second movie, and I don't think it's that bad. And, really, it's an adaptation - things are bound to be different.
Things I think the second movie got pretty nice:
- The opening scene with young Thalia, Luke, and Annabeth.
- Stanley Tucci's Dionysus.
- I like this version of Camp Half-Blood
- They made Annabeth blonde
- Leven Rambin's Clarisse.
- Nathan Filion's Hermes.
- The Grey Sisters.
- Siren Cafe. That's was pretty cool idea, although they've had a Hundred-Handed One working there :/
- The ending scene with Thalia was nicely done.
Things that made me cringe:
- They screwed up the Great Prophecy; I can get behind the cast being older, but what's with this Riptide-the-Cused-Blade BS?
- No Madam C.C's Spa and Resport (no Reyna and Hylla foreshadow... NO BLACKBEARD!)
- We've got a Hydra in the first one (which should be in second), a Manticore in the second (which should be in third), if a third one ever comes out, will it have Kampe in it?!
- What's with that magical deus ex vanishing tape?
- Zoe Aggeliki's Silena Beauregard is already a part of Kronos' force. So is Ethan Nakamura.
And yeah, I know what you were waiting for...
- KRONOS. RISES! HE F***ING RISES FOR A MOMENT! NO! JUST NO! -
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...But not as adaptations. They screwed up too much for that. I usually enjoy movies whether or not they are well adapted, not even as guilty pleasures, but I'm judging 'The Lightning Thief' as an adaptation. So, no, your fan license doesn't get revoked. I actually hate it when people are only willing to judge adaptations by the source material, as it seems like willful ignorance. After all, if it's the best movie ever made, but the worst adaptation ever made...
On the other hand, if it really is just a bad movie, then that's exactly how I'll judge it. Personal taste goes into it too. Commando is a terrible film objectively, but I love it because it's so cheesy and over-the-top. I love Fallout 4, but I still gave it a 6 out of 10.
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Dude, you switched your author and subject headings again. (nm) by
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In The Lightning Thief, Ares placed a curse on Riptide so that it would fail Percy in his hour of need, so it... kiiind of fits? Percy certainly thought that Riptide could have been the blade of the prophecy, so I guess that one can slide.
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Hmm... Maybe. by
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If there was an indication that Riptide is cursed in the first movie, I guess it would kinda work. Or, maybe if Ares actually had a part in the first one. But no, we're having the Big Bad Guy almost reforming himself at the end of the movie, quickly let's throw a deus-ex-weapon to defeat him!
I get it that the future of the franchise was under a question mark - the first one got mixed reviews, so did the second, and there was no official confirmation or denial for sequels until 2015, when Logan said that The Titan's Curse movie won't happen.
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Oh, stars, Nathan Filion. ^_^ by
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My two favourite non-Firefly/Serenity Filion moments are his scene as Hermes ("And so, of course -- cancelled") in Sea of Monsters, and the scene in Castle where he... no, I'm just going to have to link it.
Castle tries on his hallowe'en costume.
"Okay, a) there are no cows in space, and b) you wore that like, five years ago, don't you think you should move on?"
-- but squeeing over Nathan Filion isn't why I'm here, actually.
So, Sea of Monsters. The reason they did the ending and the prophecy the way they did is, I'm pretty sure, because they were sure they weren't going to get another sequel. Sea of Monsters (the book) ends with Kronos as a sequel hook; there's no sense of the story being resolved. Whereas the movie actually defeats him - in a way that doesn't (quite) preclude the rest of the books happening.
It wasn't good, mark you - but at least they tried to close off the series, since it was clear they wouldn't get to make the rest. I credit them for that.
(Also, I did like the elegance with which they addressed the characters' ages. "Meh, just add four years to the prophecy." It's nice and simple. ^_^)
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I remember them getting Annabeth's hair colour wrong! That was one of her most distinctive features. I don't even know how it's possible to screw up something like that!
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I thought Lightning Thief was kind of cool...*slinks away* (nm) by
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I admittedly enjoyed Lightning Thief as well. by
on 2015-12-08 03:51:00 UTC
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Even if I couldn't NOT think about the book while watching it, the changes they made weren't as distracting as I feared, and I actually loved the Hydra battle even if it was a book early.
That and Logan Lerman is a cutie
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Oh, gods, the Percy Jackson movies. by
on 2015-12-08 00:26:00 UTC
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The only redeeming factor about them is that they're not The Last Airbender.
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Eragon. by
on 2015-12-08 00:21:00 UTC
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Speaking as someone who genuinely enjoys the Inheritance Cycle books, the Eragon movie is, well, complete and utter fecal matter.
-Angela's role is diminished and bastardized. Angela was a cool, mysterious character and her companion Solembum is crucial to the plot. The movies just made Angela "hey, random fortuneteller" and removed Solembum completely.
-Arya being royalty is actually a really effing big deal, and it's not revealed until Eldest. And she never describes herself as a princess.
-They removed Elva. Elva is, like Angela and Solembum, very very important to the development of the rest of the cast.
-The Urgals are all wrong. In the film they're generic foreign savage types. In the books, they're roughly equivalent to orcs... and they've got a culture.
-No Isidar Mithrim. You'd think a movie, which tends to love big flashy effects, would make a big deal out of a giant red rose made of sapphire, but I didn't get the satisfaction of seeing it.
-The reveal of Brom being a Rider is supposed to be at his death, because it makes his secrecy make sense in hindsight to Eragon.
-The Ra'zac. My god. The freaking Ra'zac. These things were my favorite part of the series, and they were absolutely mangled in the adaptation. In the movie, they're just worms that walk that hunt the heroes. In the books, they're these freaky Lovecraftian horrors that metamorphose into dragon-sized bats (which were ALSO butchered by this movie) that are specifically evolved to be human predators. In the film, they were changed from the enigmatic menaces that saved the books (to me) to black-cloaked minions even more generic than the Nazgul.
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Yep, a total slaughter. by
on 2015-12-08 07:08:00 UTC
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I remember tat Paolini was joking about the probability of sequels before seeing the movie. He never talked about it anymore after seeing it.
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The community by
on 2015-12-08 11:10:00 UTC
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Has been trying to get it remade properly. I remember the director in his commentary say on the Urgals something to the effect of I know they are supposed to be this way, but I don't care, I want them to look like this.
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I would not even go that far by
on 2015-12-08 00:32:00 UTC
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There was nothing that can really salvage that movie. Except maybe the credit song.
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Putting in my two pennies' worth. by
on 2015-12-08 00:12:00 UTC
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When I was in graduate school, I was often too busy studying to do any significant reading on major novels and such, so my appreciation of the written word was kind of a mixed bag. When I wasn't studying, though, I was able to find the time to familiarize myself with at least some of my favorite works of literature, such as all seven Harry Potter novels, the original Percy Jackson series, the Hunger Games trilogy, the Warriors series, and unfortunately (thanks to my mom) the Twilight saga. At the same time, though, I missed out on a few other works as well; I still have yet to read the LoTR series in its entirety even though I know the general idea behind most of it, along with the Hobbit novel preceding it - and don't get me started on Animorphs (which I've only read one or two books of), the Guardians of Ga'Hoole (I've only read up to the first three or four books), and the Maze Runner series (which I haven't even touched despite seeing both of the movies currently released).
In light of this, my judgement on how good The Movie is depends on whether or not I know the original source material. If I do, I determine the worth of The Movie depending on whether it's a good adaptation first and foremost, and if I don't, I judge The Movie without reference to the source, unless The Movie is so different from the original subject matter that it could be considered its own story.
This is why I believe that if you play your cards right, The Movie can sometimes be at least as good as The Book, if not better. I believe that there are two key factors: being a good experience for people who don't have the time to read the original source, which movies are generally good at, and attempting to stay faithful to the source itself, which movies are BAD at. Two ways to settle both issues is to make The Movie a work of its own (like the HTTYD movie or The Princess and the Frog as Ix mentioned), and to faithfully adapt every single detail from the source, which is tricky due to the time and budget constraints of most movies but CAN be done (The Twilight saga is sadly one of the rare few that has mostly succeeded in this respect AFAIK). If you try to do both at the same time, the different demands of moviegoers and book fans mean you have to make compromises which can only lead to failure. This isn't limited to adaptations of written works, either - there's a reason The Last Airbender is never brought up within the AtLA fandom, for example.
That being said, I will concede that this isn't necessarily a hard and fast rule, and that sometimes The Movie can still be awesome even if it botches the original book, show, or whatever it's based on. Case in point? Jurassic Park. The first JP film specifically was a horrible adaptation of the original novel, taking out much of the science that made the book such a bestseller and making everybody OOC to the point where you can say Spielberg was practically godmodding. But the film nevertheless became a blockbuster because a) the movie itself had solid writing, pacing, and character dynamics, b) some of the changes actually made the story better instead of worse, and c) the dinosaurs look awesome. I can say with confidence that I love both the first JP movie and the original novel equally, which is something I can say for very few Movies and Sources in general.
JP is, unfortunately, a bit of an exception to the general rule, but while it shouldn't be taken as the exception that PROVES the rule, it's a good guide to how a Movie can take the original source and IMPROVE upon it rather than tarnishing it. Alas, such a phenomenon has always been extremely rare in Hollywood history, and with the drive towards experience in movies today, we'll probably never see anything even close to it for a long time. And that's terrible. -
Case in point with the Narnia movies. by
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I was fairly impressed with the first one, because they had gone for a faithful adaptation, even adding some scenes, and it worked for me. I really liked this movie.
However, they took a 180 with Prince Caspian, because of the form of the narration I guess, and the scenes they added were meh for me, as Peter descent to a Jerkass, or this scene with Jadis.
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YES! "The Dawn Treader" is more true to the book.... by
on 2015-12-08 13:21:00 UTC
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...and has great lessons about true beauty and facing your fears and things like that. It's worth it!
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...? by
on 2015-12-08 20:40:00 UTC
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Are we talking about the recent(ish) Dawn Treader which randomly threw the plot out of the window in favour of 'we must go on a QUEST for the MAGIC SWORDS to destroy the EVIL THING'?
Or the old BBC one which is awesome? Because that one's awesome and has the best theme music ever.
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Yay for old BBC Narnia! by
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My brother and I watched those over and over as kids. The theme music still gives me a warm fuzzy feeling. ^_^
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Okay, I meant the former... But it was better than Caspian. by
on 2015-12-08 22:37:00 UTC
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Better by a long shot.
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I guess I could try it someday then. by
on 2015-12-08 13:36:00 UTC
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Thanks for the advice.
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Not so great movie by
on 2015-12-07 23:42:00 UTC
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To be honest the most recent movie made off a book I've read was the Great Gatsby. The newest movie version is a terrible version of the books by the way,it misses the point of them entirely and just bored me.
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Oh boy, where to start? by
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My favorite of the Harry Potter movies would have to be the first two because I felt they were most faithful to the books. Which would have to be why Prisoner of Azkaban is my least favorite of the movies. So much of the Marauders got cut in favor of that stupid shrunken head—
Sorry, I should stop now before I start ranting. >:U
Oddly enough, movies that don't follow the books in anything but name can be pretty awesome stories in their own right. See How to Train Your Dragon and The Frog Princess; literally the only thing that was the same about The Frog Princess was the title. I loved those books as a kid and initially refused to see the movie because it looked like they'd butchered everything, but the movie was unrecognizable from the book and therefore I had no beloved characters to get mad over. (And I actually adore the movie as it is, so bonus points!)
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(Going off what Des said) by
on 2015-12-07 23:39:00 UTC
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As a stand-alone movie, Prisoner of Azkaban is actually pretty good and I love the scenery porn, especially the Hogwarts grounds oh my god they're so beautiful but yeah... as an adaptation, I feel it fell way short of the mark.
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I disagree; I think PoA is the BEST HP movie. by
on 2015-12-08 12:34:00 UTC
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But then again, I'm much more forgiving of an "unfaithful" adaptation if we get a decent movie out of it,and we got it directed by ALPHONSO CUARON. Who is a GOD. Plus I wasn't overly concerned about the Marauders stuff being shown because the point is Harry is not James and certain people in his life, particularly those who knew James, have trouble seeing it. Remus is the one who doesn't really compare him to his father, just... someone who he can talk to about him. Which is why it is not All Marauders All The Time.
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About the LotR movies... by
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(I haven't watched the Hobbit movies after seeing a couple things about them on-Board.)
Basically, as movies — standalone works of art — the LotR trilogy, or, at the very least, the extended three-hours-each edition, is pretty good. I don't have a lot of complaints. As adaptations, however... there are various integral things that get left out or get changed (such as Anduril being such a big deal). Adaptation Decay indeed. -
More about the LotR movies. by
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I agree with Des that the LotR movies are pretty good as movies, and I feel much more kindly disposed toward them since the Hobbit films showed us how bad they could have been.
Even back in the day, I was pretty happy with Fellowship. Yeah, Arwen stole Glorfindel's horse and Saruman beat up Gandalf, and those things were bizarre, but apart from them, it was pretty faithful to the book. Plus, come on, the casting, the scenery, the music, the costumes...! We went to Middle-earth, guys. {= D
I don't mind that Tom Bombadil was cut, either. He's always cut. I personally like him just fine, but really the only reason for that whole sequence is for the hobbits to get shiny Númenorean daggers from the Barrow-downs without being et by Wights, and Aragorn giving them the daggers instead makes sense enough. It's arguably worse that Fredegar Bolger and the diversionary house in Crickhollow are cut, since his actions have ramifications for the Shire at large, but nobody complains about that.
That was originally going to be a parenthetical aside. It kinda got away from me. >.>
Anyway, it was the second film that really irritated me. It makes Treebeard look stupid. It makes Aragorn make out with a horse. It kills off Haldir and a host of Lórien Elves at Helm's Deep for no good reason. It makes Frodo look sneaky and Faramir look like a jerk for rightly not trusting him. It makes Gollum into an uncomfortable parody of DID. It makes Gimli into daft comic relief. It just makes me want to claw my eyes out with shame and rage on behalf of my beloved characters.
The third film is better, but by then, the damage was done. I no longer trusted Peter Jackson, so I couldn't just relax and enjoy. Plus, although the third film may have fewer sins than the second, the ones it has are pretty big. The biggest is, as Alleb mentioned, that Frodo tells Sam to go home. Just. What. I cried. I literally cried in the theater, it's so stupid and OOC. D X{ And it's the third film that gave us CGI!Legolas Oliphaunt-surfing and Flaming Denethor, too. And Elrond turns up with Andúril for some reason, denying us Halbarad and the Dúnedain. Okay, so it would've been tricky to introduce this faction and a new named character so late in the game, but if anything, he should have just sent his sons rather than go himself, and we would've at least gotten Elladan and Elrohir (who are Rangers), and they could've been set up back in Rivendell or in flashbacks if we had to have those...
Ahem. I'm rambling again. Sorry.
On the other hand, Pippin lighting the beacons to alert Rohan to Gondor's need is a non-canon scene that I think is pretty cool. So there's that, I guess.
In a nutshell, I don't mind most cuts and changes that necessarily result from the adaptation process itself—going from a verbal to an audio/visual story-telling medium, time limits, Hollywood three-act structure and other conventions, etc.—but I strongly object to most things that are changed or added just because the director or whoever felt like it. Most of the sins I mention above fall into the latter two categories.
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On one point you mentioned. by
on 2015-12-09 20:25:00 UTC
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Specifically, this line: I strongly object to most things that are changed or added just because the director or whoever felt like it. As someone who has danced between writing and filmmaking, I wanted to say a few words in defense of this practice.
Telling a director or screenwriter that they can't add any touches of their own is unfair to them. They're creative folks too, with their own stylistic choices and methods. They're not just machines that take in stories and pump out film. Think of it like this: they're being given the chance to work on a (very likely) popular franchise. Maybe it's even something they're fans of. Why deny them the chance to help shape it at least a little bit?
That said, I will acknowledge that directors and screenwriters can go to far with changes. If the end result is something that upsets both fans of the original source material and newcomers, then the blame is well deserved. Adaptational changes should make sense when viewed through both the canon and the process of adaptation itself.
I can't speak too much as to LotR itself. I think it's fairly well known on this board that I'm not a fan of Tolkien's work. I thought the movies were fine as big high fantasy epics. I will say is that quite a a number of the changes you mentioned that bothered you, I can see being justified in some way. Not all, but a few of them. -
Clarification? by
on 2015-12-09 21:19:00 UTC
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Disclaimer: I'm about to be somewhat strident in tone. This is more because I'm confused than because I'm angry, and in any case, it's not personal. We don't have to agree on this to be friends, as far as I'm concerned. {= )
Now, first, kindly note that I said "most things," not every thing ever, and I even pointed out a non-canon scene that I particularly like. I'm not asserting that filmmakers are robots who exist to turn books I like into movies.
Second, with that firmly established, I'm not quite sure what you're meaning to defend in the case of the LotR films, especially since you've mentioned you're not really a fan. As for me, I'm basically objecting to Peter Jackson's established tendency to take a serious fantasy drama with noble characters and epic themes and, according to his stylistic choices and preferences, turn it into a cartoonish action romp with stupid, petty characters and no noticeable thematic overtones. Granted, this is far more obvious in the Hobbit films than the LotR ones, but I think you can see the tendency in most of the things I mentioned about the LotR films, nonetheless. If you disagree, would you care to discuss specific examples?
My basic point is that any changes should be done in service to the story as told in its new medium. If you need to cut some scenes, conflate some character roles, even make some things happen in a slightly different way if it'll save screen time and doesn't butcher the characters/themes in the process, go for it. Adding scenes that tell us nothing we needed to know, add to the run-time, and undercut the characters/themes, no. Changing the course of events in a way that makes less sense, adds to or doesn't change the run time, and butchers the characters/themes, no.
Also, to answer your question re. creative folks, even though I know it was rhetorical: That's what original writing and even fanfiction are for. And we don't like it much when people randomly insert their pepper-jack cheese into their fanfic, either. Bottom line, if you're choosing to tell a story that isn't yours, you're choosing not to exercise your full creative potential on it from square one.
Here's an analogy that might work:
So, J.R.R. Tolkien came up with this great cake recipe. He got really famous for it. Everybody loved his cake. (Okay, almost everybody; it was too heavy and rich for some. No problem, we love them anyway.)
Then along came Peter Jackson. He wanted to make Tolkien's cake recipe, but his modern kitchen was totally different from Tolkien's, so he had to do things a little differently. That would have been fine, but then he decided he wanted to put his own spin on the cake. Instead of butter, there's margarine. Okay, we can deal with that. But instead of chocolate, there's just carob, and there's these cinnamon candies that weren't there before, and the icing is too sweet now and also green for some reason, which doesn't really hurt anything but is kinda weird and off-putting. He calls it Tolkien's cake, and it's mostly still Tolkien's recipe, but when you eat it, it's not. And that's not nice.
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Sorry for the confusion. by
on 2015-12-10 04:53:00 UTC
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I did not phrase what I was driving at very well, and I apologize if I caused any offense. Like you said, it's definitely not personal. My intent was to argue for a balance between preserving those elements that made the original work special with allowing for filmmakers in general to express their own sense of creativity within the fictional world.
Drastic differences between the source and the adaptation do not necessarily mean that the adaptation will be bad or should be dismissed. I've seen directors and writers make character-derailing changes and massive thematic alterations that ultimately benefited the end adaptation. Jaws is a good example of this. In the original novel by Peter Benchley, the main characters are pretty much always awful and mean-spirited. The film versions of Brody, Quint, and Hooper are definitely not. They only share cursory details with their literary counterparts. The film as a whole has at least a dozen scenes that were totally original. But it's still excellent.
Writing an adaptation is not truly analogous to writing fanfiction. Fanfiction is tailored to an audience that already knows what the world and characters are about. An adaptation has to appeal to those in the know, true, but it also has to bring in and appeal to newbies as well. Because an adaptation has to stand on its own, it is in many ways a property unto itself. The world might not be the new writer's, but this new version of the story is.
I want to tell an anecdote I heard about Neil Gaiman to sum up my feelings on adaptations. Apparently, when he read the script for Coraline he asked the screenwriter to make more changes so as to differ from the source material. If people wanted the book, he said, they would go read it.
As for defending the LotR films… I certainly face-planted right onto that one, didn't I? I would definitely disagree about there being no noticeable thematic overtones. I thought that the strength of friendship and loyalty concept was very much a recurring theme. It wasn't a consistent theme at times, but I would say it was there. Similarly, the need for someone to stand up and take responsibility seems to be repeated (Aragon as king, Frodo as the Ringbearer).
Since I alluded to having a specific example, I suppose I can argue for the presence of Haldir and his elves at the battle of Helm's Deep. First off, I would say their very presence is meant for three reasons: to give some hope to the characters (and the audience) in what is a very dire situation, to provide a call back to the alliance and battle at the beginning of the film, and to make the elves not seem so distant. Not having them show up could have made them seem unsympathetic, especially since they're all leaving Middle Earth (and, by extension, leaving Men to face Sauron alone). The fact that they all die could be seen as an allusion to that: the elves's time is over. They are gone and Men remain.
As for the death of Haldir himself, that has a simple if unsatisfactory reason: to set the stakes. The deaths of nameless soldiers can be dramatic, but nothing impresses upon an audience that things are serious than the death of a character they are familiar with. It's definitely a cheap trope, which is why I'm not wholeheartedly rushing to Jackson's defense.
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Ugh, The Two Towers. by
on 2015-12-08 07:26:00 UTC
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I agree that Fellowship has always been pretty good. Even though the Usual Suspects got cut (Bombadil, Glorfindel), it managed to convey the sense of wonder that we ought to get from Middle-earth. Rivendell is completely wrong (Tolkien repeatedly drew it as a single Swiss cottage), but it's very elvish.
But TTT-M... ugh. Flip Faramir's character motivation entirely on its head, flip Theoden's character motivation entirely on its head (people notice this one less, because it leads to the same results), randomly chuck Aragorn off a cliff, randomly kill Haldir, spend - per P@L's graphs - as much of the film on the battle that Tolkien once said could be cut as on the Ringbearer, ruin Gimli, ruin Treebeard... it just feels like they wrote an entirely different movie and then spliced the LotR stuff in.
RotK... yeah, you've said it already. Frodo - what have they done to you?
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Which turned out to be easy. New archive link by
on 2015-12-08 09:30:00 UTC
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'A Dog's Dinner' - the Arthedain Annex
I have a newfound appreciation for Philosopher@Large as a webmistress - specifically, the fact that she uses very few images and even less links makes it very easy to archive her pages!
The Arthedain Annex is now added to the PPC Archives. It can keep Misssandman.com company.
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At least, hobbit movies give us great music. by
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Only because the LotR movies had great music. by
on 2015-12-08 16:21:00 UTC
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Considering so much is just carried over from one trilogy to the other. This was one of the things that really bugged me, actually.
To be fair, we did get a couple of cool new songs/themes (Misty Mountain Song and Thorin's theme are quite good), but if you listen closely, you'll notice that the score spends an awful lot of time on (variations on) the Shire and Fellowship themes, and the Bad Guy music sounds an awful lot like the Bad Guy music from LotR, too.
I'unno, I'm no expert, but I was let down, and I really feel like Howard Shore could have done better. I mean, supposing you're a new viewer and you watch the films in chronological order, how is the LotR music supposed to have the same impact if you've basically heard it all before?
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Don't forget Tom Bombadil by
on 2015-12-08 00:05:00 UTC
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Really cutting that section was the only thing about the LotR films I did not like. Though it still worked.
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Funny, I loathed that section in the books. by
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He was just so unnecessary. I get that exploring your world, even when it does not move forward the plot, can be fun, but Tom was just so utterly and completely pointless, it drove me mad. He was not funny, it was not charming, it was by far thee worst thing in the entire series. Tolkien was a great writer, one of the best of all time, but the man needed to learn when to cut out useless filler.
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I still think they are good movies by
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Cutting Tom worked for the films perfectly, but that seemed to me the largest change from the books to the movie, and the only one that really annoyed me in any way.
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My dad hated the way the trolls turned to stone in Hobbit #1 by
on 2015-12-09 04:32:00 UTC
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He was so disappointed that they just died with the sun rising instead of Gandalf tricking them into arguing with each other. That was his favorite part of the Hobbit.
Besides that, the Hobbit movies were just bad... Except for the auction scene, Bilbo and Smaug (Sherlock and Waston are enemies?! NOOOO!) and Riddles in the Dark (Go Andy Serkis!) And the "break the plates" song in the extended edition. And that's it. Everything else... Meh and boring.
But the credits song of The Hobbit 3 was great! They got Boyd to sing again, for the love of lembas! I love love love that song; he did it so well!
And the LOTR movies will forever be awesome!
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On the subject of the PPC IRC... by
on 2015-12-08 05:05:00 UTC
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So...I've been wondering this for quite a while. Should we just...shut it down? I'm asking because as far as I know, only myself and a few others actually USE it, and even then only once in a blue moon.
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I don't go into that channel at all anymore. by
on 2015-12-10 13:43:00 UTC
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However, for some background as to if you're interested in getting it going again...
When I first started the channel, years and years back, it was very rarely used, and others only popped in once in a blue moon, as you noted, and often only when I bothered them to poke their heads in.
But I kept doing it, and I kept inviting people on the board and through other means- AIM, Gchat, etc- to go into the channel, and after awhile, it started to have a regular, if small population, and then eventually grew.
That isn't to say that the chatroom didn't have it problems at its beginning, or at any other point along the way.
Basicallly, if you want to try and get others to use it, give them a reason. Invite people in! Bother them! Maybe set up, I dunno, little chat parties, for specific discussions or whatever, see what happens, what interests people to get them to pop their head in.
I'll be honest, I miss the fun of direct conversation with multiple PPCers at once in a more real-time setup as compared to the board, but the channel had loads of problems, which could maybe be changed. I dunno.
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That is a good idea and I shall try it! by
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The IRC was my first real interaction in a chat room - at all - and really was a stepping stone for me personally in the big ol' wide world of Nerd-dom and fanfiction in general. I think it'd be a shame to shut it down, now that I've had time to think about it.
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[Snaps fingers] Darn. by
on 2015-12-13 17:07:00 UTC
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I was looking forward to decluttering the header a little.
:P :P :P ^_~
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If you guys reach a decision to close it... by
on 2015-12-10 10:04:00 UTC
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... or at least to remove it from active service (I'm assuming 'as a backup' would mean 'we won't use it, but if everything else crashes we'll pass the link around'), please let me know and I'll take it out of the Board header. Ta.
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I'd vote for keeping it, for backup reasons. by
on 2015-12-10 00:11:00 UTC
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As in, if other methods of chatting fail for some reason, we'll at least have the IRC. This is, admittedly, a pretty weak reason, so I wouldn't consider it a loss if we got rid of it. I do think we need to find something to replace it, though.
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Chiming in from the dark recesses of the interwebs... by
on 2015-12-09 16:36:00 UTC
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...yeah, it's pretty much dead, as far as I've seen. I would be fine with calling it a day.
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not sure about skype by
on 2015-12-09 07:22:00 UTC
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I know at least on my computer that massive skype chats break stuff down really quickly and terribly.
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Iunno... by
on 2015-12-08 23:06:00 UTC
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How bout you get rid of it and create a giant skype chat?
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A wild Interlude appeared! by
on 2015-12-08 20:25:00 UTC
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Well, it's time to see how the inhabitants of RC 42-Omega started. Here's their origin story. In terms of timeline, it takes place in August 2015 HST.
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Fun! by
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I mean, it's kind of a stretch to call it an "origin" story when there's not all that much about the actual origins of a character.
Other than that, I really liked the interactions between VJ and William. The moment when William realized VJ was his partner played out really well. I can't wait to see how their relationship grows from here.
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WHO ELSE IS EXCITED FOR STAR WARS 7? by
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I AM!!! WHEEEE!
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Have just booked tickets... by
on 2015-12-10 21:13:00 UTC
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... for the midnight showing. Because, hey, I've never done one of those.
But the best part? My booking reference:
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Midnight screenings are fun. by
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I remember being on one for Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.
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I'd read it as... by
on 2015-12-10 21:40:00 UTC
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... George R. R. Martin. Does this mean that Force Awakens will be gritty and realistic with lots of nudity and violence?
... probably not.
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Only if Darth Talon was there. by
on 2015-12-10 22:29:00 UTC
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[INSERT STAR WARS-RELATED INNUENDO HERE]
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It had better be really good... by
on 2015-12-10 15:39:00 UTC
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...given how much has been thrown under a kriffing landspeeder to make room for it.
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At least they got rid of Waru. ^_^
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I am beyond pumped by
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I've already got tickets for the opening day. I've also got a very nice, very researched OC for RP once the Star Wars hype gets high enough that people are interested in that sort of thing.
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I'm not sure... by
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I am probably the only living young adult who has not seen any of the Star Wars films. I know basic concepts, and the big twist of course, but never could immerse myself into the world. Should I? Anyone can help me where to start?
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Well, now. by
on 2015-12-10 01:24:00 UTC
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Since you already know the big twist, there's really no reason to go with Machete Order. So I'd say start from Episode I - that's the intended order. Y'see, there's this thing called ring composition, which really only works if you start at the beginning.
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Ever heard of Machete order? by
on 2015-12-09 19:42:00 UTC
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It's a suggested watching order from a Star Wars superfan. Most fans will tell you to only watch the original trilogy, or if you must watch the prequels, watch them afterwards, and then go back to the first three to cleanse your pallet. However, like them or not, the prequels do have an impact on the story now, a rather important impact. So, the man on the internet known as Machete decided on this order:
IV, V, II, III, VI
He gives a very in-depth, nerdy reason to watch in this order, which you can read here. However, if you don't want to read the full dissection on why this order gives depth and importance to an otherwise bland-at-best prequel trilogy, then here are the reasons he gives to not watch in episode or release order:
"The problem with Episode Order is that it ruins the surprise that Vader is Luke's father. If you think that this reveal doesn't matter since it's common knowledge, I suggest you watch the looks on these kids' faces. This reveal is one of the most shocking in film history, and if a newcomer to the series has managed to avoid having it spoiled for them, watching the films in Episode Order would be like watching the ending of The Sixth Sense first.
"The other problem with Episode Order is that the prequels don't really have a story. They're just background for the real story, which is Luke's attempt to destroy the Empire and save his father. Watching 3 films of backstory is boring if you've never seen the films they're the background to. Hell, that's why George Lucas made Star Wars (later renamed A New Hope) first - it was the most interesting story he had in his brain at the time. Starting someone off with Episode I is a surefire way to ensure they don't make it through the entire franchise.
"Unfortunately, Release Order is also an instant failure, and the reason is a single shot. If you're watching the official releases and you view the original trilogy first, then after the Empire is destroyed and everyone is celebrating, Luke looks over at his mentors, Ben Kenobi and Yoda, and suddenly they are joined by... some random creepy looking teenager who needs a haircut. Placing Hayden Christensen in the ending of Jedi, since he's not in ANY of the other films, turns an ending that should be celebratory into one that is confusing for the viewer. The fact that Christensen looks like he's undressing someone with his eyes doesn't help." -
Yes, yes, most definitely yes. by
on 2015-12-09 17:56:00 UTC
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As for where to start: Episode IV. Watch them in the order they came out like everyone else did. At least for your first time. After that you can pretend the prequels didn't happen.
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Hmm... by
on 2015-12-09 18:26:00 UTC
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I'm just gonna leave [THIS] here :)
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Soon... by
on 2015-12-09 17:20:00 UTC
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It won't be long until everyone will be bowing to Jar Jar. Everyone will finally know his true power!
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On the one hand, Abrams. Lord of Lens Flair. by
on 2015-12-09 17:04:00 UTC
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On the other hand, Lucas isn't involved much anymore. Be free, Star Wars! The bad man can't "fix" you now!
I don't think it's going to suck, but I don't have very high hopes either. I'm not seeing it opening weekend, that's all I know. -
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He tried to make Star Trek into Star Wars, so now that he has the genuine article, he should be able to thrive.
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If Jar-Jar doesn't turn out to be a Sith Lord... by
on 2015-12-09 16:45:00 UTC
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...it won't matter how good the movie is; I'll still end up slightly disappointed. :P
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*picks up Jar-Jar the mini-rancor* You want it? (nm) by
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Éowine and Steormægð don't have a mini yet... by
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...so may I?
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Hehe, help yourself. :P (nm) by
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Must admit, a bit fed up with all this hype. by
on 2015-12-09 16:32:00 UTC
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I dare not to get my hopes up too much, but I'll be glad if the film is good, and makes it worth it discarding Thrawn, KotOR,... They don't have any rom for failure though.
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I'm cautiously hopeful by
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Like many others, I really want to get all excited and pumped up for the premier, but at the same time I can't help but worry that what comes out will be a complete trainwreck. Still, I'm trying to be optimistic about the whole thing, and I shall continue to do so.
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I would really like... by
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... it to be as good a sequel as Jurassic World was.
Only without the random stupidity which afflicted the female characters. Could do without 'I shall keep wearing high heels/I did nothing wrong but now the filmmakers are giving me a gruesome deeeeeeeeath!', ta.
But yes. I'm excited. ^_^
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Me! Me! :D (nm) by
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I'm half hopeful, half worried. by
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I hope it'll be a good movie and worried it'll be whaledrek.
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Let's mourn something. by
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Once again, the way copyrights can be blindly applied ruined something on the Internet. Namely Dragon Ball Z the Abridged Series, with half of its episodes, more or less, retired for copyrights issues by Toei Animation.
After all, it's not like they put a disclaimer for being a parody, named all the rightful owners and ended every disclaimer of every episode with "Please suport the official release"... Oh, wait.
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Well, that's annoying. by
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The announcement on YouTube doesn't make it sound too dire, though. They ought to have a solid Fair Use defense, so there's no reason at all this should stick. Anyway, like they said, there's still their website.
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It still feels frustrating though. And stupid fromToei's part.
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Abridged!Popo, though... Toei animation wish they would just die.
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Is it possible for an agent to join Floaters Department..... by
on 2015-12-09 12:02:00 UTC
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Because they are specialized in certain rare fandoms that do not have their special divisions yet, but those fandoms contained various types of badfics? (Mary Sue, Bad Slash, Implausible Crossovers, etc. )
Yeh, I saw on the Wiki page that agents in the Department Of Floaters can be those who kill badfics in canons that are not covered by regular agents, so maybe agents that are specialized in rare fandoms can become a Floater.
However, somewhere on the Board, I remember about a Permission Giver saying that Floater agents do not specialize in anything, and deal with missions of all continuums and types.......
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You might be looking for... by
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...the All-Purpose Department.
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I know it...... by
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But agents in that department only deal with ONE fandom. What if an agent is specialized in more than one rare continuums, but do not want to limit him/herself to any single one of them? Will Floaters be appropriate under such a condition?
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Why not... by
on 2015-12-09 13:02:00 UTC
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... create an All Purpose Department Sub-Department of Rare Fandoms?
Ultimately, the answer is yes, Floaters would technically be appropriate. But if you say they're in Floaters and then insist on killing a Suvian every mission... well.
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Sound interesting....... by
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But it will be too rare that no one can be found in it?
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is that the Floaters are exactly that; they 'float' from one type of mission to another, to aid the teams which need assistance. The Floaters can be send to deal with a Mary Sue, to help and untangle an implausible crossover, or to slash a slasher.
As for rare fandoms, it actually is a sub-department in DMS - [CLICK]
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Wednesday Pluggage: Morgan responds to Doctor Who. by
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Yes, Morgan (Time Lord, DMS; Tigereye Castellan, Continuity Council of Gallifrey-in-Exile) has now seen the final episode of Doctor Who Series 9.
And she's not happy.
The following brief reaction contains MAJOR SPOILERS for the entire episode. Consider yourselves warned.
Morgan's Rant
(I have no objection to people using this thread to discuss the episode itself. Just, again, make sure spoilers are marked!)
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*sets up research for Disentanger the Mini-Agent* (nm) by
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To the Continuity Council: [SPOILERS INSIDE] by
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In light of Gallifrey’s return, I would like to respectfully request a position on the Continuity Council. The finale has left the canon Gallifrey vulnerable to badfic contamination once more; fanfiction involving our home planet will become all too common, and someone will have to monitor how the fandom treats it. I propose that someone to be me. I know how a fanwriter’s mind works; therefore I am reasonably confident I will be able to predict fanfiction trends regarding our home and prepare accordingly.
Thank you for your time and your consideration.
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Ugh, so much for democracy. by
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So that's one 'yes, but I still hate her', one 'I can't even be bothered to show up, let alone have an opinion' (but thank you, Agent Desdendelle, for passing that along), one 'do not go to the Reader for counsel, for she will ask lots of questions and never give an actual answer', and three 'we're too busy playing Circular Gallifreyan Scrabble in the corner'.
The Fisherman: It's actually a really interesting game.
I just bet. With voting an unqualified failure, I'm just going to make a decision and you can all live with it: yes. Yes, Aviator, you can join the Continuity Council of Gallifrey-in-Exile, as the poor soul responsible for watching fandom warp our homeworld further and further out of shape. You can come to meetings and watch Yellow and Grey hash out the Time War for the nine-millionth time. You can wear the daftest collar this side of Elizabethan England, in the sound knowledge that the rest of the Council feel just as ridiculous.
So there we go. Let's have a resounding triple-word-score on 'meh, who cares?' for our new Moonstone Browser, or Sentry, or Sentinel, or whatever you want to call yourself. Yay.
I need a drink.
(M)
((Circular Gallifreyan Scrabble sounds pretty awesome, actually. I'm going to end up making it before this day is out... ~hS)) -
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Alright then. Thank you, Morgan, and I suppose Notary?
That was at once both incredibly over- and underwhelming.
...anyway, I promise I won't let you down.
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I was right. I was incredibly right. by
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Circular Gallifreyan Scrabble
A tiny portion of a game in progress.
Circular Gallifreyan Scrabble uses the Circular Gallifreyan writing system. It is played on a hexagon-based grid of interlocking circles, using a set of twelve transparent tiles.
-Five of the tiles are triangular, covering the intersection of three circles. Four of the five tiles show the circles/portions thereof which make up the basis of Circular Gallifreyan. Each 'base' tile has a set of holes in it (marked in red), to allow the insertion of...
-The other seven tiles, which are small and circular. Two of these show the vowel symbol (one with a line, one without); the other five show the consonant modifiers used in CG.
Play is similar to normal scrabble, but, er, harder. ^_^ Circular tiles are not able to overlap, so there is a tactical element to their placement - should a three-dot modifier to turn a T into a R be placed on the edge of the arc, allowing the other circles using that tile to be modified separately (but only leaving space for an 'A' vowel), or in the centre, locking all three circles to use 'T', but giving them freedom to choose their vowels?
According to the most common ruleset used in HQ, any circle with two or more modification tiles in it must form a word. A circle which is only affected by triangular tiles, or by only one modifier, can be gibberish or a partial word. (And yes, there are hardcore players who say any tile in a circle means it has to make a word. Of course there are.)
Since Circular Gallifreyan is a writing system, not a language, the game can be played in any tongue. Among HQ's fans of the game, it is considered to be easiest when played in either Quenya (since the written form of that tongue traditionally leaves out the sign for 'A', the most common vowel, and the most inconvenient one in CGS), or in the various languages which traditionally do not write their vowels. (Some, of course, consider this to be cheating.)
And did I mention it's ridiculous? Because it's super ridiculous.
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Okay, I need to get a whittling knife and some wood. by
on 2015-12-14 12:55:00 UTC
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Because that looks really freaking amazing and I want to play it. :D
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I know, right?! by
on 2015-12-14 13:15:00 UTC
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Though I think it's probably impossible to actually play...
Hrm. I could probably run a demo game on the Other Board - probably with infinite tiles, since it's the first run. With a properly labelled-up board and pieces (and me making a new image each time someone has a turn), it should be workable. Interested? We could either score it purely based on 'number of letters in each word you modify on your turn', or keep it unscored and let people drop in and out.
(Obviously I'd need to concreteize the rules a bit more first...)
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We'd just have to go the... by
on 2015-12-14 13:27:00 UTC
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...bad kanji tattoo route: just substitute cool-looking circles for various letters until you get a full alphabet.
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That would kinda be a totally different game. ^_~ (nm) by
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Well, it's not like we have... by
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You missed the link, didn't you? by
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Yeah, CGS is based on Circular Gallifreyan. Which is what I used (for instance) on the banner I use for Continuity Council stories:
(It reads anticlockwise from the bottom, 'KoNTiNuITY'. Of course.)
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Oh, whoops, I did. by
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give me a break my mom just woke me up for no reason and I'm sleepy
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... there's a thread on the Other Board.
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Are you sure about this? by
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While a fanfiction trends monitor does seem to fit well with the extant Council positions--are you sure you want to do this? It's an extra responsibility, it's driven just about all of us to drink--to the point that we've installed a mini-bar--and we aren't all, shall we say, people people. Moreover, this is a good deal closer to politics than it is to piloting, and, to my knowledge, your main interest has always been in the latter. So, although I commend your initiative and respect your qualifications, I have to ask (a) if you're absolutely sure about adding this commitment, and (b) what your motivations are, as this is certainly not the only way you can make a different--assignment to the Doctor Who division of the DMS would likely accomplish it as well.
Also, a warning: this job is full of paperwork. Full of it. You may wish to take that into account.
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Absolutely certain. by
on 2015-12-10 23:38:00 UTC
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I'm perfectly aware of what goes on in these Council meetings, and trust me, I've already got reason enough to drink; one more won't make a difference.
My interests? Come on, I've hardly had the time to figure out what I do and don't like. Don't make assumptions based off my last regeneration.
As for making a difference—bit hard to make much of a difference when your comings and goings to the Whoniverse are extremely limited by the Flowers. I've been back there all of one time since returning, and that was on probation. At least this way I'll be able to do something.
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Oh, I get it. by
on 2015-12-10 23:58:00 UTC
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You're looking for approval and acceptance from the other HQ Time Lords.
How old are you again? I thought you weren't a teenager anymore.
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Mature, Emiran. Real mature.
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As the terrans say: "Bingo".
Look-- there are better ways to serve Gallifrey than to play politician. I can guarantee you that this will be a huge waste of time for you.
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That's your own internal biases on show. by
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Any problem that can't be solved by you waving a gun around is one you don't consider worth solving. Yes, any position on the ConCounOfGaInEx would be a waste of your valueless time, and ours; you simply don't possess the mindset for a Council position. Dives does.
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Ooh, right in the hearts. by
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You always knew how to hurt my feelings, Antrilovorasilendar. Look, I think I might've even cried a little. :'(
Anyways, I don't know why you're suddenly oh-so accepting of Arin now but I strongly suspect this is a move to get on her good side and use it as leverage for something.
You see, Arin? The political maneuvering is staring-- and you haven't even joined yet. Is this really the game you want to play?
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You know I know how to hurt you. by
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I've done it before and I am more than willing to do it again, should my irritation with you increase beyond a certain point. I monitored you when you were scurrying to DoSAT looking for your little penlight. You seemed rather distressed. Right now though? You only merit the most casual of dismissals. Note that your paperwork, such as it is, is unmolested. Note that everything you need arrives. The exact opposite can be true, and will be true, if you do not cease from your pathetic, antagonistic behaviour towards your fellow Time Lord. Your ire is a direct result of her decision to move away from your direct sphere of influence and into a social group where you cannot affect her. Speaking from experience with pettiness of this stripe? This is not the hill you want to die on. Take that your surrogate for a meaningful familial relationship has moved outside your control on the chin and, if you want to, figure out a way to do something about it that gets you what you want. I'd like to say that you're capable of something subtle enough to get your exact desired outcome, but if I may quote from one of my colleague's favourite fandoms?
I must not tell lies.
You have lost this time, Guardsman. You don't get to have your attempt at a daughter. I look forward to your attempt to do something about it.
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Naya squinted at the email message. "What exactly is a 'gimp suit'?"
The quarian and her partner were side-by-side at the workbench, replacing damaged circuitry in Terabyte's robotic body. The Guardsman's laser screwdriver was balanced on top a roll of duct tape and was currently projecting the contents of his email inbox on the wall. The geth, currently loaded in Naya's suit computers, briefly used her environmental suit's loudspeakers to reply. "It is a form-fitting piece of clothing for use during BDSM sex acts," it said matter-of-factly.
"Oh." Naya looked down at her suit. "Ick. Thanks for the mental image."
"You're welcome."
"Shaddap." Naya turned to her partner, who hadn't stopped working. "What are you gonna do about this?"
The Time Lord carefully used a pair of tweezers to rearrange a stray wire. "Nothing, really. This sort of thing used to make me mad, but now it's... eh. It takes two to tango and I don't feel like dancing anymore. Even if she messes with our requisition forms, it's not like the PPC's grey market doesn't exist. With the added security stuff I've slapped on my screwdriver and the DIA reforms, our gear won't suddenly be confiscated from us. We're staserproof."
"I meant about Arin, you moron," said Naya impatiently. "Look, okay, I get it. You're bang on the money about her issues, but you didn't need to be a tool about it."
"You should apologize," added Terabyte. "It won't do to let this fester."
"No, it won't," said the Guardsman wearily, setting down his tweezers and examining his handiwork with a magnifying glass and a flashlight. "But I think I'm gonna step back from this for a few hours and come back with a clear head. I don't want to say anything that could worsen the situation." He put away the magnifying glass and picked up a multimeter. "Might go to Rudi's. I promised Lord Wymbourne and Commander McCandless a beer for their help earlier today."
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on 2015-12-11 04:03:00 UTC
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...your determination to dissuade me from joining the Council is a form of political maneuvering of your own?
As for what the Notary is up to, I'm flattered you think me so stupid as to not suspect she's up to something. Warms my hearts, don't you know. -
Oh, so much paranoia. by
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I'm not sure if you actually like thinking that everything is a trap or a hidden insult, but you really need to take a breather here and examine the situation.
Despite never having any prior interest in politics, you suddenly decide to join the Continuity Council.
You claim that this might be a new facet of yours but really-- I know you're not the sit-down-and-push-papers type. No, there's something else behind it.
You really, really want to be part of the one club in HQ that is exclusively filled with Time Lords. Sure, you say the defence of Gallifrey is one of your priorities but that's... well, the PPC's mandate covers that. You've struggled with your identity for as long as you've been transformed into a Time Lord. To find a place among other Gallifreyans-- this is what it's really about, is it?
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Paranoia kept me alive, thanks. by
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And while no, I'm not the most fond of having to fill out paperwork, it's not exactly a foreign concept to me—I was a captain, remember?—and when you're not able to go out into the field, you make do with what you have.
And I'll thank you to stop treating me like I'm some pathetic teenager who's so desperate for acknowledgement she'll throw herself into the worst possible situations just to impress others. Allow me to break it down for you:
I. Am. Not. A. Child. Anymore.
You've got to stop thinking of me as the kid you met. And that is all I'll say to you on this matter.
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I knew it.
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I'll unblock you when you apologize. Stop spamming my inbox with gloating.
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He did not. by
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As a member of this Council, I am expected to vote, or at least give my opinion; I would prefer to know more before I do so.
With respect to your interests, I am not merely assuming based on your last regeneration. I am making assumptions based on your first self, your second self, and your current self. You were a TARDIS pilot even after regenerating; you are still very attached to the TARDIS that left HQ with you. Your first self, by your own admission, was in love with the idea of even seeing a TARDIS; your second self loved to fly, as I recall quite clearly. And the only interest you ever, to my knowledge, showed in politics was expressed as a joke. If your interests have changed so drastically--I have seen and heard no sign of it until now. I work with the knowledge I have, Aviator.
Re: making a difference--again, requesting a transfer to the DMS' Doctor Who division is an option, is it not? If you've tried it, please tell me; if not, please tell me why you've chosen to pursue this option without trying it first.
In addition, I ask that you remember that while Emiranlanoamar is a dear friend, he does not control my actions, especially with regard to Council matters. I hold two positions on this Council; I speak to you now mainly from that perspective.
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As for requesting a transfer—do you not think I've tried that?
"Listen, I was wondering if I could transfer to Doctor—"
No.
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I sure hope you know what you're doing, Arin. Personally, I would advise against joining because, well, they don't do much. Surely there are better ways to spend your time, eh?
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I know perfectly well what I'm doing, thanks. by
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I'm four hundred and fifty-three years old; I'll spend my time however I damn well please.
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I'd just like to point out... by
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...that your current job description already covers defending Gallifrey from Suvian contamination. I don't see why you need to join the official social club to validate that.
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I've been sent into the Whoniverse all of one time since my return to HQ; bit difficult to defend it when you're not sent into missions there. This way, I might be able to make a difference.
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I have the official descriptions of each position on the Council here, and it mostly involves sitting around at a desk and doing administrative work for the Whoniverse.
As in: "not field work".
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on 2015-12-09 16:53:00 UTC
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When, that is, you think at all. If you wish to be informed as to the ConCounOfGaInEx's full remit, duties, and responsibilities to the defence of Whoniverse canon, I have a 792-page document I will be only too happy to familiarize you with over the course of several mandatory seminars. There will be tests.
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I'll pass. by
on 2015-12-09 18:44:00 UTC
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No, I'm already convinced. My eyes are open. I'm sure the Homeworld will be kept safe by a few paper-pushers sitting in a room five multiverses over from the Whoniverse.
I just continue to guard the guard-- it's a lot more hands-on and you can see the results for yourself.
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I'm well aware of the results things like you get. (nm) by
on 2015-12-10 01:50:00 UTC
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Hey, DIA foots the Medical bill... by
on 2015-12-10 01:58:00 UTC
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...and I've mostly sucessfully managed to avoid getting shot in the face up 'till now, so I'm feeling pretty good about myself and the job I do.
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Yes, thank you very much. (nm) by
on 2015-12-09 16:31:00 UTC
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Don't we have someone for that? [Also spoilers] by
on 2015-12-09 15:33:00 UTC
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The Jade Warden... no, he's looking out for the Laws of Time. The Onyx Monitor? No, she's looking for fictional Time Lords specifically. The Citrine... no, that's only for canon plotholes.
Apparently we don't. ... nor do we have a procedure for admitting new members. I suppose I could argue that it's under my remit as a security issue, but... I'd rather just put it to the vote. Let the Continuity Council offer their opinions. (Notary, please give your view, not a deliberately-contrary opinion in line with your role)
~Morgan, Tige--
-- wait, blast, colours. We've already got a full rainbow, haven't we? I propose that any new member take on either white or octarine as their colour. The only stone known to come in octarine is the, uh, octarine. White could be quartz, or perhaps moonstone?
If the new member were to take on the Aviator's suggested role, a designation such as Moonstone Reader (though that could get tangled up with the Reader) or Quartz Browser might be appropriate.
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Apparently I'm a messenger now. [spoilers] by
on 2015-12-11 02:12:00 UTC
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Yeah, Librarian's kinda busy. His reaction to this proposal can be described as a resounding 'meh'. I don't think he cares either way.
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Loathe as I am to admit it... by
on 2015-12-09 15:45:00 UTC
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Dives has as much right to be on this Council as anyone else. She is a Time Lord, though she came about it by accident, and she has journeyed to, if not the Homeworld, then at least a Homeworld. If we are to disbar those of us who did not come from a canonical universe, then the Citrine Theorist's position must be filled by someone else. She is one of us, and ought be treated as such; after all, we are but few.
Thus, I vote yes.
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Oh, no, the Notary doesn't like someone. (nm) by
on 2015-12-09 15:49:00 UTC
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There are people I like. They're just not here. Or you. (nm) by
on 2015-12-09 15:52:00 UTC
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Aww, really? I feel so sorry for them. (nm) by
on 2015-12-09 15:53:00 UTC
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Not as sorry as I feel for a grubby little renegade. (nm) by
on 2015-12-09 15:55:00 UTC
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Hey! The Doctor's not that little. by
on 2015-12-09 16:00:00 UTC
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The Agent: I think she was talking about you.
Can't have been. I bathe regularly.
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Whether you need to or not. (nm) by
on 2015-12-09 16:01:00 UTC
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Blue, Grey, drop it. This is a council, not a sitcom. by
on 2015-12-09 16:04:00 UTC
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((Yeah, apparently this is an actual meeting. Go figure. ^_^ ~ hS))
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I don't watch sitcoms, so I'll have to take your word for it (nm by
on 2015-12-09 16:13:00 UTC
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Funny you should say moonstone by
on 2015-12-09 15:39:00 UTC
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Did you pull that from here or come up with it on your own? XD
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Snerk. by
on 2015-12-09 15:44:00 UTC
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No, I didn't get it from there. I ran down a list of gem/semi-precious stones, looking for the white ones. But I did it while colour-blind, so the only one I flagged was moonstone - and that only for its name.
Howlite is another possibility, I guess?
(Since I don't think Lily's around any more, did Rina ever have any contact with Dis or the Agent? I may end up having to cast their votes, if someone else doesn't do it first.)
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Lily could be prodded on gchat or Tumblr. by
on 2015-12-09 15:53:00 UTC
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I don't know what she'd have to say about this, since I doubt she's been keeping up with the PPC storylines, but she can be contacted.
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I suppose. by
on 2015-12-09 15:59:00 UTC
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It depends on whether she's actually wandered away from the PPC, or just on extended leave. It would be a bit silly to bug someone who doesn't care at all any more.
We'll see what happens. (Oh, and is Fish Custard still around? I don't think I've seen him in ages...)
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I...have no idea. by
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I do know that she's been doing this giant Hobbit liveblogging project on Tumblr, but it is possible she's still interested--I'm pretty sure she was a while back, though I could be misremembering.
Anyway, if it becomes necessary, she *can* be reached.
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Fish Custard's not, but his email's on the Wiki. (nm) by
on 2015-12-09 16:00:00 UTC
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But if he's not here any more... by
on 2015-12-09 16:02:00 UTC
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... then it would be a bit strange to ask his opinion about characters he's not interested in any more.
'tis why I generally don't like emailling people who aren't around.
(Note that I'm not proposing to adopt any of the three Council members affected by this; I'm quite happy to let them stay silent.)
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She did, but... by
on 2015-12-09 15:47:00 UTC
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...the majority of that contact was todder!her clinging to the Agent's neck and biting him.
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Oh yeah that thing. by
on 2015-12-09 15:50:00 UTC
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Well, I'll leave them out (of the voting - I'm borrowing Dis to snark at people, since Morgan's got her formal
hatcollar on) unless we need a tie breaker. (Also, I'm sort of assuming you, Des, Dawn, and Scape all want the Aviator to actually get the post, even if their characters vote against? Is that fair to say?)
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I don't mind if she gets it :) by
on 2015-12-09 15:56:00 UTC
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I am kind of curious what the Reader would say, though, because I'm really not sure off the top of my head. I'll have to think.
Personally, though, I don't object--but neither do I feel that she absolutely has to get it or everything is ruined! So yeah.
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I think it would be neat, but either way I'm not too fussed. This is more Ave testing the waters to see if she's accepted by the others. :P
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Dear Dives: Go away. Yrs., The Notary. (nm) by
on 2015-12-09 15:21:00 UTC
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HELL BENT SUCKED.
Yes, it's a well-made piece of television. Yes, Gallifrey is back and it looks amazing. Yes, we got to learn a bit more about the Matrix and how it works. Yes, a biological-sex-switching regeneration is something I've been waiting for (and been hideously jealous of) for a damned long time. But Hell Bent SUUUUUUUUCKED. And you know why it sucked?
Because all the good stuff, all the stuff Steven Moffat put in that I really did genuinely like, all the excitement I had after Heaven Sent...
It's all in service to CLARA. BLOODY. OSWALD.
Let me make one thing clear: I loathe this character, but I never used to. I liked Clara at first. I thought the Impossible Girl stuff was kind of interesting, though hideously overwrought by the end. But we said goodbye already this season, when she faced the raven, and it was poignant and touching and a really good end for the character because, well, she snapped and she got herself killed. It's pretty rare that we see a companion die on screen, and the fact that the Doctor was powerless to help her from a few feet away, well, it was good television.
And then along comes Hell Bent and makes it all totally superfluous because she's off in a flying Fifties themed restaurant with The One And Only Me and the Doctor pulled a gun and shot someone in the chest because of her. The Doctor broke every rule he had because of her. The Hybrid arc has gone the way of the Great Intelligence (hey, remember him?) because of her. Because everything, everything, has to be about Clara bloody Oswald and I'm sick of her. Sick to the back teeth.
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Look at these trailers. They promised us Gallifrey. They promised us Time Lords.
Instead we got Clara.
Now, I actually kind-of sort-of liked Clara. I loved her when she was introduced, but as time went on, she became kind of 'meh' for me, just an okay character who was starting to overstay her welcome, so to speak. I raged over her in "Dark Water" and "Death in Heaven", but for the majority of Series 9 she was actually starting to get some halfway decent character development, so she started to grow on me once more. When "Face the Raven" came along, I was genuinely sad and actually cried to see her go, because it felt like the perfect send-off for her, storywise. She'd been becoming more and more like the Doctor as time goes on, and it finally caught up to her. Her death was brutal, and it was heartbreaking, and it was sad.
So of course Moffat had to make the grand finale about his Creator's Pet. *siiigh* And not only that, but he had to recycle Donna's send-off because... why? The Doctor still remembers Clara (in a way), Clara remembers him, and time still hasn't torn itself apart because they remember each other. Why couldn't they have simply said farewell to each other?
And, well, Clara's being horribly irresponsible gallivanting around the universe like she is. Accidents can happen; what if something happens to her before she can return to Gallifrey and be put back to the time of her death? You can kiss the universe good-bye. (Ignore the fact that we see she does, in face, die in FtR, this is merely a hypothetical pointing this out. Plus, as the Doctor likes to say, time can be rewritten.)
The first fifteen minutes or so I adored the first time 'round, and then kind of broke a little bit when I realized the Doctor's actions were all done for Clara. He didn't banish Rassilon and the High Council because of their war crimes; he banished them because they would get in his way of getting Clara back. Ugh. Just... ugh.
Rassilon: Tries to destroy time. Gets banished.
The General: Tries to keep the Doctor from destroying time. Gets shot in the face.
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Look at all that stuff I agree with! by
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I liked Clara when she was a mystery. I liked the way that mystery was solved. I didn't like how she was saved from the white glowing thing, but I don't expect to like everything.
I liked her in series 8, because she had a reason to be more in the spotlight - the Doctor was being kind of a twit. Dark Water was great, because she didn't totally control the story (and she was obviously in the wrong trying to manipulate the Doctor).
I came late to series 9 - I started with the Zygon story - but she seemed decent there. Until Face the Raven. By the end of that I was screaming 'hurry up and die already!'. Heaven Sent was fantastic.
When I first saw Clara in Hell Bent, I assumed the Doctor had gone and found one of the duplicate Claras as a way of saying a final goodbye to her, having dealt with the Time Lords who he blamed for taking her from him. And then the reality made me facepalm hard.
And after Dark Water / Death in Heaven was my favourite season finale since Tennant's tenure...
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I, too, thought that the Clara in that bar was just another Splinter in the Doctor's timeline! Then the first part (on Gallifrey) started, and it was fantastic! The Woman (AKA Doctor's mum. She was also in The End of Time but played by a different actress), the General basically f-bombing Lord President, Rassilon (wow, the millenia weren't graceful for him), the Prioress from Karn! That was bloody brilliant!
And then... the Extraction Chamber scene happened, and the Doctor basically said 'Clara > All Reality'. That was bad. She had a good finish in FtR, and a cameo in Heaven Sent. Her story should've been completely over. Instead, she becomes immortal and goes off doing some completely-not-hinted-to-return things with The One And Only Me (whom I also find unnecessary, and only liked her two 'versions': Ashildr and The Last Woman in the Universe).
So, yeah, the good part - Gallifrey returns, Rassilon is banished (with a possibility of returning as a future villain. Maybe a team-up with Missy and the Daleks? Again...), and the Doctor finally let Clara go.
The bad part - the entire plot is again revolving around Clara. Also, the Doctor gets not-so-completely Donna Noble'd.
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You are entitled to do so. by
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I disagree with your disagreement, because, well, I don't loathe Clara. I think she had a rough first half-season, with the Impossible Girl arc being badly handled, but after that she turned into a character I think did something new, with her job and such. (I am curious to know why you dislike her so much; I don't think you actually said.)
And then... you say 'she snapped' in Face the Raven, but she's been snapping all season: it's been all about how she's becoming more like the Doctor, but without the Doctor's experience of... being the Doctor. (Come to think of it, her first reaction after Danny Pink died was to a) steal the TARDIS and b) claim to be the Doctor. Woman has issues.) It was always going to lead to Something Bad - the Raven just happened to be the lucky one.
The Doctor didn't have his latest meltdown because he lost Clara - he had it because he lost anyone. He does that. Adric's name was the last thing Five ever said. Five, Nine, and Ten all died because they sacrificed their own lives to save someone else's.
Nor did he break 'every rule he had'. He shot someone, yes, and that did feel shoved in just for the regeneration (seriously, Doc, just hit him again) - but come to think of it, the other three people he's pointed guns at were the Master and Rassilon (The End of Time) and Missy (Death in Heaven); he clearly has less problems with shooting Time Lords than other people. Beyond that... he meddled in time to rescue someone. He broke into somewhere and stole a TARDIS. He tried to wipe someone's memory against their will. And, ultimately, he showed that he was willing to sacrifice his own memory - as in, 'a man is the sum of his memories, a Time Lord even more so' - for his companion.
The Doctor did what he has always done: he broke the rules to save a friend, and was willing to pay the price.
hS
PS: In fairness, the two things I think shouldn't have been in there:
-The Doctor shoots the General. Still not sure why this happened, other than they wanted to change the actor.
-The Doctor claims that taking Clara away from Gallifrey will restart her metabolism. What was wrong with 'you're basically in stasis, so we'll have time to sort you out'? (Also, the Quantum Shade was built up last time as being able to catch her anywhere in time and space, so... how would that help?)
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I partially agree with both of you by
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Like hS, I don't loathe Clara. I actually enjoyed her run ever since the Impossible Girl arc. Like Scape, I think the main plot of Hell Bent - 'Screw Gallifrey, Save Clara' - was unnecessary. She had a good ending in Face the Raven and even if the memory of her in Heaven Sent was in the Doctor's psyche, this memory (something like River for 11th) could be a good 'finale companion' without the actual Clara Prime appearing.
Although I don't like the fact that the Doctor shot the General... Yeah, that one was a no-brainer, I think he said it the best - "I can't be the Doctor all the time."
I also don't think Hell Bent sucked. Sorry, Scape. It was a good finale for this season. Aside from the Clara-revolving plot, though. Learning new things about Gallifrey, seeing the General and the Prioress of Karn... banishing Lord President. This all was good.
Hmm... on the other hand, the new Sonic...
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I wanna become a PPC sporker...but I don't know how it works by
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Hi guys, I'm Rie. Not much of anything but a fan of the PPC ...stories? Perhaps that's one way of calling it. And I was wondering how to join, cause I'm really interested in sporking, but I don't know how to proceed. Thank you.
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Greetings! Have a Black Cloak of Swirly Awesomeness! by
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So you'll always look awesome!
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First plover! (nm) by
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Welcome! by
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I think you're going to like it here. You'll like it even more with this brand new rainbow laser slinky!
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Thanks for the warm welcome! by
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Thanks for the gifts and for giving me some advice on how it works. I'm reading the Original Series already and I tried clicking the Constitution, but it seems to have an error when I clicked the link.
I don't know if this is how you introduce yourself here or not, so if this is not correct, I'm sorry.
As I've said, I'm Rie, I take Theatre Arts and Shakespears gives me headaches, but apparently I do well with Shakespeare. I'm not sure what to tell other than my fandoms, which are Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, I don't know if there are Les Mis fan fics to be concerned about, but I'm in the Les Miserables fandom as well as the Phantom of the Opera fandom, I'm partly in The Hunchback of Notre Dame (There's a constant theme in my interests and sad to say, it borders more on the fantasy and historical stories. I'm not the most interesting person.) I'm also in the Narnia fandom, though my knowledge is not so good with it, and I think that's all I could think of saying.
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Follow the link in Tira's post. by
on 2015-12-10 10:07:00 UTC
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It will explain you all about this. Be aware, however, that you also need to have been active here for a decent amount of time before trying for Permission.
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Thank you! by
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Thank you for explaining that to me, I'll be sure to be as active as I can!
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Hm... by
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You are aware the the PPC is is a community first and a group of sporkers second, right? You don't need to as active as you can; you can be as active as a normal person and just hang around here like everybody else. It's fun, too!
The bit about activity is there because the PGs want to know the people they're granting Permission to, not because there's some "you must be this tall to enter" arbitrary activity standard for getting Permission. -
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Welcome, welcome, welcome! by
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Here's some popcorn to eat while you read all the Important Stuff on the top of the homepage (and the Permission article, like Voyd said) and a little box of sticky notes! It's one of the nice-looking ones that comes with five different colored skinny ones and a pack of regular-sized sticky notes. :D
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Welcome aBoard! by
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Have one of my own shed feathers and a complimentary kit of Spikes!
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Welcome to Creation, here's your shovel. by
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Have a shovel that digs up sonic screwdrivers!
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Welcome (a)Board! by
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As Matt said, just by making this post you've already joined us, even if not in the sense you originally meant. Also, the main PPC stories, the ones about agents going into badfics, are called missions. Stories about other things such as general life in HQ are called interludes. Hope that helps.
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Welcome to the madhouse. Everyone here's really nice (but watch out for that Dorano, she's a strange one).
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I'll just give you a cup of tea. No, the leaves won't try to eat you, I promise.
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Newbie! *glomp* *poke* by
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Hello, and welcome aBoard! For your newbie gift, take this plate of freshly-made SPaGhetti!
If you haven't yet read them, may I point you towards the Original Series and the Constitution? They're pretty much the only required reading around these parts. Another useful resource you might use is the Wiki; if you have any questions, just look here before asking. We like it when newbies do the research.
Tira already linked you to the Permission page, which has everything you need to know.
So, why not introduce yourself a little more? Gotta know who you are before you can get Permission, after all. ;)
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Have a bag of my special brand of black-hole chocolate. If you want to become a PPC writer, you need Permission. Explanatons are disponible on the wiki, which you should read for better know this universe.
Other things important:
Could you present yourself further, please?
Did you read the Original Series and the Constitution?
What spinoffs did you read? What are your favourites?
What are your fandoms?
Hope you'll enjoy the place and that you're here to stay. -
As a matter of fact, you've just joined! by
on 2015-12-09 18:50:00 UTC
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But I would suggest reading [THIS]. It holds all the answers you need! :)
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Hella by
on 2015-12-09 18:50:00 UTC
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Welcome to the board, and here is some butterscotch-cinnamon pie.
I suggest looking at the PPC Constitution and the PPC Wiki if you want to be a PPC sporker.
Also, what are your fandoms? We would like to get to know you since you're joining us. - By getting Permission! by on 2015-12-09 18:50:00 UTC Link to this
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Beta Call! by
on 2015-12-09 19:17:00 UTC
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The Beta Sign is illuminating the night sky! It is Cipher! He needs assistance!
No, canon knowledge is unnecessary. I summon all willing SPaG masters! -
Can I help? (nm) by
on 2015-12-09 22:59:00 UTC
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Fabulous, I have more than enough. Thanks, darlings! (nm) by
on 2015-12-09 22:55:00 UTC
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If you're okay with waiting a few days... by
on 2015-12-09 22:44:00 UTC
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...I'll probably have time to look over your work this weekend. I believe you have my e-mail.
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I'd be happy to help by
on 2015-12-09 22:02:00 UTC
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If the offer still stands, I'd be happy to beta.
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Jolly! The more the merrier! E-mail is clickable. (nm) by
on 2015-12-09 22:05:00 UTC
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Cipher's Journey through the Galaxy: Introduction by
on 2015-12-10 14:29:00 UTC
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Or, how Matt discovers the Star Wars fandom, and tries his best to understand everything that's going on. I thought that if I'm doing this anyway, I may as well share my first impressions and thoughts about the entire universe. One thread below per episode. I hope you guys will join me for the discussions about the episodes, and maybe some of you Star Wars veterans answer some question!
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Part Three: Revenge of the Sith by
on 2015-12-12 13:14:00 UTC
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Palpatine got himself kindnapped, huh... Yeah, as if. 99% sure he let them, or simply that was his plan.
The way those battle droids talk reminds me of Minions...
Is it just me, or after Anakin finally married Padme, his demeanor mellowed a bit? Hmh, maybe he did grow just a lil' bit.
R2 is more badass than Obi-Wan and Anakin so far. Funnier, too.
Palpatine, you're not fooling anyone with your 'victim of kidnapping' shtick.
1) I guess lightsaber instantly cauterizes wounds since there's no blood, but Count Lee just had his palms cut off... why is he not screaming?
2) "Do it."
Wilhelm scream.
Did the writers decide for R2 to become the Jar Jar of this Episode? =___=
GeneralUltronGrevious escapes, and R2 continues to emit stupid sounds.
Padme turns from Action Girl into Housewife and that is not good.
Okay Anakin, after that story Palpatine told you, you should have SOME hints that he's a Sith. Come on, the way he talked about the Dark Side reminded me of Snape and his monologue on Dark Arts!
Those two Wookiees totally stole Tarzan's roar...
GeneralUltronGrevious turns into a spider monkey and uses Four Sabers Style... Roronoa Zoro is jealous.
Obi-Wan shares his apprentice's habit of losing lightsabers.
Wow... I kinda... agree with Palpatine there. In order to master any type of power (Magic, the Force, etc.) one should study all of its aspect, and then choose which path they should walk.
Huh, so GeneralUltronGrevious wasn't a pure droid, then... interesting.
Oh, so Count Lee can lose both his hands and be fine about it, but when Anakin cuts Samuel L. Jedi's hand now it's time to scream in pain, huh?
Ah, yes... this is the line I was waiting for... *ekhm*
UNLIMITED POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!
Rest in Force, Samuel L. Jedi.
Dun dun dun dun du du dun du du... Enter Vader.
'Execute Order 66' another reference I now understand! :D
No! Not the Twi'lek chick! (Hmm, first Darth Talon, now her... I think I'm into Twi'lek ladies)
Nobody mentions Master Qui-Gon (mayherestinpeace) this entire movie and I'm not happy about that.
"Anakin is the father, isn't he?" Now he realizes...
Pregnant Padme becomes the Action Girl again. Finally.
Nope, Padme competely forgot what being an Action Girl is, she just changed costume :/ Aaaaand she's down. Lovely.
Yoda's like, "Move b*tches, out of the way." I feel like this muppet could blink and the majority of the Empire's forces would be gone.
Hold on... Yoda, you countered Count Lee's lightning like it was a Roman candle; why are you having your jolly green bottom kicked by Palpatine?
That's what I'm talking about! Go, Little Green!
That little worker droid sees Obi-Wan and Vader fighting and is like, "Nope, I'm out."
So Padme died of broken heart? Um... did that actually ever happened? Anywhere?
Ah, birth of Vader... and there's another line I was waiting for... *ekhm*
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Obi-Wan and Yoda mention Master Qui-Gon (mayherestinpeace) and I'm happy about it! :D
And on that happy note I will end my marathon of the prequels. Because I don't have the comparison yet, I'm gonna say I enjoyed it.The Phantom Menace still is my favourite out of all three, followed by Revenge of the Sith and with the hormone-driven Anakin-centered Attack of the Clones in the end.
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Let's not forget that one stupid diagnosis: by
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"For reasons we can't explain, we are losing her. She has lost the will to live."
Something you totally did not understand a second earlier you can instantly explain a sentence later.
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Part Two: Attack of the Clones by
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"I guess I was wrong... There's no danger at all."
Cue the Ironic Overpower! It's so nice to see it doing its job properly ^^
Again with the 'Decoy Padme' thing? Man, the Sith really are stupid.
So this happens 10 years after The Phantom Menace, huh? Which would make Anakin 19, and Padme 24. I'm not complaining, good for you, Ani, it's just... weird seeing how she was this maternal figure to him in the first movie, and then he suddenly wants her to hop onto his lightsaber in the second.
Jar Jar is not annoying in the first moment he speaks? Something's wrong with me...
Seems like Obi-Wan wants to do everything by the book, to avoid being compared to Master Qui-Gon (mayherestinpeace), and here come Anakin's hormones to ruin his plans!
Goddamnit, R2, you were supposed to inform the Jedi if you detect anything! Why did you decide to ignore something your sensors pick up just because you didn't see it!?
Okay, at this speed, Obi-Wan's sleeve would be gone... and some of his skin, too.
Seriously, lady, just stop your vehicle... Physics will throw that cocky son-of-a-b off your speeder in a minute.
Okay, Mr. Bounty Hunter... I doubt you only had one toxic dart prepared, and the Jedi clearly didn't sense you when you shoot that shapeshifter. Why didn't you shoot Anakin or Obi-Wan?
It would be way cooler if Master Yoda was using the Force to hover himself in that wheelchair-y thing...
Jar Jar is not annoying in the first quarter of the movie... something's clearly wrong.
Wow, Anakin's really hormone-driven through this entire movie... I'm not sure I like it.
Clone army, huh... roll credits?
Anakin and Padme are doing the Star Wars version of 'Netflix & Chill'.
Obi-Wan just Batman'd Jango's ship!
Tatooine! :D
Aaand we got our first 'Dark Anakin' moment.
Count Lee mentions Master Qui-Gon (mayherestinpeace) and I'm not happy about that :c
Jar Jar Binks does something helpful. A sentence I have never expected to say.
"I love you."
"Y-you love me?"
Yes, Ani, we were all surprised.
It's 40 minutes of the movie left; I want to see Yoda visit the cloners!
Hold on, execution scene: Padme was wearing a full-body suit, she got claws to the back, and suddenly she has her full midriff exposed?!
How did Samuel L. Jedi snuck up behind all the higher-ups? Was security this lousy?
I KNEW IT! Of course we weren't going to see Yoda and the cloners, only the aftermath!
Padme's midriff is becoming wider and wider every scene.
Anakin's Destroyed Lightsabers Count: 3
Yoda vs. Count Lee, or 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Muppet' as I've heard.
Oh, come on! Yoda and Obi-Wan totally saw Anakin and Padme kissing! He should've been expelled!
I hear Darth Vader theme! A good moment to end!
Overall, I think I like The Phantom Menace a little bit more. It's nice to see how Anakin slowly sumbits himself into the Dark Side, and we got a follow-up on Obi-Wan. I think Episode 2 can work as both the continuation of Ep. 1, and a standalone title. Well, off to Episode 3! -
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As a tie-in with the third film... by
on 2015-12-11 20:41:00 UTC
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I advice you to watch (if you can find it) Clone Wars the
firstonly animated series, that I found really interesting when I watched it for the first time.
(Animated Disney's only merits are the preservation of true Mandalorians and Korriban. As for the faults...
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Star Wars The Clone Wars is on Netlfix. (nm) by
on 2015-12-12 01:19:00 UTC
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What is this 'Netflix' sorcery you speak of? by
on 2015-12-12 08:20:00 UTC
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(AKA, we don't have it in Poland)
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Are we talking the first CW ? by
on 2015-12-12 06:21:00 UTC
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The cartoon one, not the ... other, with computer generated images?
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Part One: Phantom Menace by
on 2015-12-10 16:41:00 UTC
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Well, right now I'm done with Episode 1 and I think I'm digging Star Wars already. But... well... some of you guys were right about THIS ABOMINATION
Let me just say this - I didn't now it was possible to absolutely dislike a character after its first appearance, until I met Jar Jar Binks. As soon as he jumped on Master Qui-Gon (Hands down favourite character so far!) who clearly told him to move away... gosh, I knew he was gonna be bad. Well, he's not a terrible character... he's what he's suppose to be - a cheap comic relief, with few good moments.
On a flipside, the planet Naboo and the city (Theed, was it called?) were absolutely stunning looking! One of the better locations I've seen in any movie ever. Vibrant, slightly exotic, and really amazing.
Hm... I knew about C-3PO and R2-D2 before, but I didn't know the former was built by Anakin and the latter was your ordinary maintenence droid.
Umm... if I understood correctly, Anakin was born out of immaculate conception? 0.0 (btw. I know what's Anakin's future, I know what's the deal with Senator Palpatine... stuff like that really in unavoidable).
Is it racist if I say all Hutts look the same?
Oh, I noticed Warwick Davis during the Pod Racing scene.
Jedi Council... I kinda disagree with Yoda about fear leading to suffering. I would quote to him the 12th Doctor's monologue from Listen.
Hmm.. I don't fully trust the Gungan leader... he agreed to Padme's plead too quickly.
Okay, no... Ani, a nine-year-old, flawlessly piloting a fighter? No :/ Also, no offence, kiddo. You're acting's bad.
As I thought. Rest In Force, Master Qui-Gon :C
And Naboo's free again. The end. Yep, I am definitely curious to see the next Episodes.
Also, from what I see, the Jedi Knights balance their Force abilities, and the way of the lightsabre... is there a specific 'section', or 'branch' of Jedi who are devoted more with the aspect of the Force? Like, they hone their Force skills more than the swordplay? Don't answer this one, if it's explained in the next Episodes, though. -
If you liked part one, you should know: It gets better. by
on 2015-12-11 03:43:00 UTC
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I'm more of a trekkie myself, but Star Wars is quite good. Especially if you like fantasy works, shiny cities, and amazing special effects. And, yes, Jar Jar should burn. Hey, I think I just figured out what one of the no-drool videos could be...
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YES! Another Star Wars newbie! by
on 2015-12-11 03:31:00 UTC
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Welcome to the club, my friend! *flying tackle hug*
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Jedi and the Force by
on 2015-12-11 00:35:00 UTC
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To answer your last question, yes there are different types of Jedi and their balance with Force/Lightsaber skills. This is expanded in the Expanded Universe, particularly in the Knights of the Old Republic Games.
You have the Jedi Consulars, typically they focus on Force rather than Lightsaber. Typically the use Green Lightsaber Crystals. I think most sources slot Qui-Gon Jinn into the Jedi Consular branch.
Jedi Sentinels are the next group. These are basically balanced on the Force/Combat scale. Typically they use Yellow Crystals. This middle branch was largely gone by the time the films rolled around. No one quite fits that mold.
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Yep, standard reaction to 'him'. by
on 2015-12-10 19:03:00 UTC
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Check Darth and Droids though. These guys managed to make him likeable, no awesome. Without talking about the way they treated all of the prequels, I swear they turned them into actual gold.
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Three words. by
on 2015-12-10 19:12:00 UTC
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I AM SO GOOD AT COUNTING, YOU GUYS. (nm) by
on 2015-12-10 19:13:00 UTC
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Lemme fix it... by
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"Jar Jar, yousa genius!"
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Not so terrible mistake. by
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And yeah, just like they say when they present the comic, they're the one who spawned this sentence on the Internet, and most of the uses you can find link to them. Pure talent.
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No, it's not racist to say giant slug aliens look alike. by
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Also, fun fact: the first time I watched Phantom Menace, I thought Anakin's former owner was actually Jabba. Anybody else mishear those two little alien dudes that way?
I don't think they ever bring up different "branches" of the Jedi Order in the movies. Maybe in all the expanded universe stuff I haven't encountered yet? (Which is a lot.)
As to the immaculate conception comment: Wow, I never got that detail. It doesn't make sense, though. Anakin's not the Chosen One and we all know it, so why would the film use Jesus imagery (and the midi-chlorian thing) to make him look like the Chosen One? (Unless the prophecy was actually about his fall and eventual redemption at the hands of his son...hmmm...) -
Whoa, careful there with the spoilers. by
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Nah, it's fine. *Breaks down the Spoiler Wall* by
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I know quite a lot of things actually; as I said, you can't be on the Internet and avoid them. I know the major characters (like, I won't confuse Han with Obi-Wan, etc.), and the general plot of the 'better' series. It's the prequels I know almost nothing about (aside the 'Unlimited Power' bit and the big 'NOOOOOOOOOOO').
As for the actual series I know things like Ani's redemption at the end, Yoda and Obi-Wan's deaths, Luke and Leia being siblings (and snogging one another), so yeah - for Episodes IV, V, and VI, Spoiler Wall is unnecessary :) -
Summon Bigger Fish! by
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Oh so you like Qui-gon... Hehehe (nm) by
on 2015-12-10 16:54:00 UTC
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Count me in, flyboy! (nm) by
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Finaly got to see it. by
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Gosh, that was fun. Especally when the Notary gets (marginaly) more polite when she understands she cannot run away quickly if things go south. But most of all, it was wonderful for the happy couple.
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*Cue me dying of laughter* (nm) by
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I laughed within the first 2 lines by
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OKay, Notary was on point here (nm) by
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Please note for future reference by
on 2015-12-11 02:18:00 UTC
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That the word Gazebo has always made me laugh since laying eyes on that card
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Yeah! :D by
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I feel like the Notary's lines should be present at every future PPC wedding ("In the absence of the Ironic Overpower (...)" was hilarious XD)
Anyway, now the fun begins!
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Awwww~! ^~^ by
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Even with the Notary killing the mood, that was so cute! Congratulations to Valon and Kala! <3
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Awwww~! ^~^ by
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Even with the Notary killing the mood, that was so cute! Congratulations to Valon and Kala!
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Agreed! by
on 2015-12-11 01:30:00 UTC
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(Also, uh, have you received my PMs?)