So, about a week ago, I began set up a site I intended for everyone to post various PPC stories on, without fear of takedowns or them getting lost. I have set up said site, and am now looking for ideas on what I should add to it, particularly how I should keep people who do not have permission yet from posting stories.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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Site ideas by
on 2015-03-21 06:32:00 UTC
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Hang on a second. by
on 2015-03-22 23:57:00 UTC
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While your enthusiasm for the PPC is admirable, I have some qualms about this. Actually, I pretty much have the same concerns Huinesoron did when he posted in your previous thread regarding takedowns.
First off, we have a place to post stories that are in danger of falling through the cracks. The Lost Tales does what it needs to do pretty well. Unless you can think of a major reason why said site isn't up to snuff, I'm not really seeing a reason to replace it at this moment in time.
Secondly, you are very new. As hS said:
"I'd love to think you're going to stick around for decades to come, but there's only a handful of people here who've made it through the last decade. So if one person sets themselves up as the host for all PPC works, what that's likely to mean is that we lose everything when they let the site lapse."
The PPC tends to suffer a relatively high newbie turnover rate. I'm not saying that you won't stick around -- heck, you could outlast all of us -- but as of right now I'm not comfortable letting someone so fresh host PPC stories.
My final concern ties into the previous one. I assume that, as the creator of this site, you would be the admin of it. While I would love nothing more than to have a proper PPC site and bulletin board with mods and admins and what not, I want said mods and admins to be people with experience. People whose judgement can be trusted based on how they interact with the community. I don't have that trust with you.
Again, it's nice that you're super pumped to be here. But I'd hold on on launching that site just yet.
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Heh, sorry. by
on 2015-03-23 05:19:00 UTC
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I have been called many things, and excitable is definitely one of them. But, as for whether I can hold off on putting up that site... I may have gone on a caffeine-fueled rampage and already gotten it up. But, I shall hold off on further developments on this site until I've stuck around for a while. If I get really over-enthusiastic again, just let me know.
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Well by
on 2015-03-21 19:42:00 UTC
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What about a registration system? To add stories you need to register, to register you need to have gotten permission. Though I do not know how you would go about doing it. That does seem like the simplest solution.
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Ensign Sue Must Die: Legendary Goodfic Nomination by
on 2015-03-21 15:10:00 UTC
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Making a separate thread dedicated to this.
So far, it seems that we're all in agreement that Ensign Sue Must Die is deserving of the prestigious status of Legendary Goodfic.
Let's make it official. All those in favor?
AYE!
All those opposed?
NAY!
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Goodfic question by
on 2015-03-22 04:47:00 UTC
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Has anyone ever seen a good songfic? I'd like to see tht.
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AYE! I know a great goodfic! by
on 2015-03-21 22:21:00 UTC
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I nominate "SHATTERED" (yes, the title is all in caps) by Prin Pardus for the Warriors Archive. Not only is it entirely comprised of OCs, all of them with depth and believability, but the author skillfully takes many viewpoints to weave them into an awesome story. She's the next Brian Jacques, the way she handles multiple POVs so well. And that's not even half of what "SHATTERED" consists of! A MUST-READ FOR SURE!
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Thread hijack: LotR fic nomination! by
on 2015-03-21 21:48:00 UTC
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Since it's here, might as well use it, eh? {= )
"A Practical Guide for the Courtship of Elves, by Beren Son of Barahir" by Nerdy Nell is an awesome LotR/Silm fic that addresses all the things that annoy us about elf/mortal Suefics with a great sense of humor. I dunno if there are enough Tolkien nuts around here these days to give this the bump it needs, but I thought I'd give it a shot. In my opinion, it could serve as a textbook for OFUM, and it absolutely deserves a spot next to "Don't Panic!" and the like.
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I second this motion (nm) by
on 2015-03-22 03:38:00 UTC
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Is this post really necessary? by
on 2015-03-21 16:45:00 UTC
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The decision already got a wave of resounding support in the original thread. What is this one supposed to accomplish? You are merely knocking threads off of the front page.
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But you're right. by
on 2015-03-21 16:58:00 UTC
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I'll go ahead and add it to the Legendary Goodfics, if nobody has any objections.
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It makes sure that thread stay on topic by
on 2015-03-21 16:52:00 UTC
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So it would make sense for there to be a separate thread so people can focus on that thread's original purpose, and make it clear that people are nominating. Also, I support the nomination of "Ensign Sue Must Die" as a Legendary Goodfic.
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Ahahaha. by
on 2015-03-21 19:19:00 UTC
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'On topic'. Have you met the PPC? We're constitutionally incapable of staying on topic.
In fact, come to think of it, we're literally constitutionally incapable - it's articles 16 and 20.
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Am I the only one by
on 2015-03-21 19:40:00 UTC
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Whose first thought on reading this post was to go through maxims of Constitutional Interpretation? Wait what do you mean that's not normal?
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*plucks up jS* I found a mini for you! (nm) by
on 2015-03-21 19:38:00 UTC
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I think... by
on 2015-03-21 16:52:00 UTC
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it's because the thread's starting to fall to the bottom and not everyone looks through the whole front page. Plus the agreements started coming in a little bit later, when the thread was already fairly far down the page.
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Except... by
on 2015-03-21 16:59:00 UTC
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...It already seems to have been decided, as seen here. That's why I called this thread into question. It being added to the page already seemed to be a done deal.
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Yeah, all right. Anyway, it is now added! (nm) by
on 2015-03-21 17:13:00 UTC
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Aye! (nm) by
on 2015-03-21 16:39:00 UTC
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Aye! by
on 2015-03-21 15:14:00 UTC
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DIC Mission #1! So soon? Eeyup! by
on 2015-03-22 15:58:00 UTC
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"The Day of Reckoning"
IT IS DONE. MUCH TWO-PART MISSION. SUCH 51 PAGES. VERY INSANITY. WOW.
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So far, so good. by
on 2015-03-30 01:29:00 UTC
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I just read through the mission today, and I must admit that Lapis' reactions are a lot more believable. Good job.
One comment, though: In the future, please tell your betas before you post so that they don't end up feeling blindsided. For example, I thought that I'd be able to have a more direct hand in Lapis' dialogue.
Speaking of Lapis, something seems out of place.
Upon realizing what she’d just said, Lapis flinched and covered her face.“Sorry, sorry! That was totally uncalled for, I swear!”
“Hey now, it’s totally fine,” Cupid replied, patting her cerulean locks. “I understand that you didn’t know better, though given your age, I’m not surprised at all. Now shhh, Zelda’s waking up!”
Given that Lapis hadn't said anything derogatory, this line seems out of place to me. Could you please explain it?
Also, there is one error that slipped past the radar:
““You said you could travel by plot hole, Lapis? Can you try and get us in there?”
Extra opening quotation mark.
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Is this the one you sent me? by
on 2015-03-23 19:30:00 UTC
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If it is, sorry I haven't gotten back. Its been a very busy weekend. If you still want my input I'll give it. If not, sorry for the delay.
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Feedback is fine. by
on 2015-03-23 20:11:00 UTC
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In fact, general commentary and SPaG spotting are more than welcome.
And I totally understand. I have to strike a balance between my personal and professional lives on a daily basis myself (which is a lot harder than it looks, for what it's worth). -
My thoughts by
on 2015-03-23 17:38:00 UTC
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I feel like you did a good job with Cupid's characterization. It's interesting how, on one hand, he's rejected the central elements of his homefic - namely, the wangst - but still clinging to some of its trappings, such as the drinking. I get the sense that he feels a lot of guilt for his actions, but tries to hide it behind a cheerful veneer.
That said, I do agree with a lot of Poor Cynic's criticisms, especially about the presence of big battles and the tendency to interact a lot with the canons.
A couple other points - why didn't the agents use disguises? Sarah says that they won't need them because they're jumping through multiple worlds, but that seems almost inherently contradictory to me. Surely, because they are visiting multiple worlds, they would definitely need disguises? In fact, they would probably need the DORKS, so they can switch to continuum-appropriate disguises. If Sarah had said that she didn't think they needed them because there weren't any Sues, that would make more sense, though I might still question her judgement.
Also, the ending implies that Pit still remembers not only the PPC agents, but the Criminal Minds characters. Doesn't that kind of defeat the entire purpose of the mission? It directly states that Palutena plans on keeping a Milivoj mask as a trophy - that's canon contamination.
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Whew! by
on 2015-03-23 19:45:00 UTC
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Between this and yesterday's kerfuffle, I can say that I had quite a lot to sleep over.
Anyway, this response goes to both you and PC. I'm glad there are good things to say about this fic (unlike in that ill-fated Christmas interlude I tried writing once... NEVER AGAIN >_
Sarah's logic was that if the agents were jumping between multiple worlds, it would be harder to disguise themselves consistently, though the DORKS may have been helpful; I could probably chalk it up to inexperience, though. Besides, I wanted to explore a bit of a "Roger Rabbit Effect" in which the animated characters end up in a live-action setting and react accordingly. I could just have Sarah state that there aren't any singular Suvian characters, though, which leads me to my next point.
In my opinion, the climactic battle was necessary for one critical reason. How could three inexperienced agents have taken on an entire army of poorly written characters at once? Knowing what Sarah's done on previous missions, and what Cupid and Lapis are both capable of in theory, one or two Suvian characters wouldn't be too much trouble, Lapis's age notwithstanding - though I must note that Ella Darcy was recruited when she was 10, and Lapis ended up in DIC because it would be safer for her to untangle continua than to kill Sues.
A thousand heavily armed, well-trained, murderous Milivoj, though? No wonder they had to get help...
Pit and Palutena being aware of the PPC was inspired by the fact that there's no fourth wall in Kid Icarus: Uprising, and the fact that Palutena's a goddess helps her in that respect as well. I could change the ending so the Smash Bros. continuum isn't contaminated, though.
Concerning fetishes and related topics: All of you have made a lot of good points, more than I can say. As for why the tickling was a plot point in the mission that led to Cupid's recruitment (and this mission as well to some extent), I wanted to show the repurcussions of Sarah's past as a badfic character and how they would affect the characters around her, in both positive and negative ways. This not only applies to tickling but also her merciful attitude towards characters in general (her MO is "if they are salvageable and can be proven wrong, don't kill them"). Cupid's having the same interest was directly induced by Sarah because he had been recently created and was therefore a lot more impressionable than most characters are. That said, PC's advice makes sense - putting the fetish content in interludes is something I'll definitely do in the future, though the brick joke that was the Writhing Mass is too good to cut out of this mission. The whole YKINMK discussion is not something that I'll jump into, but at least it's not actively deriding me for having that fetish in the first place (which is something that people have actually done to me in the past, mind you). And anyway, this will probably be the last time I'll integrate my fetishes into my actual missions, so lesson learned, I guess.
Overall, this mission could be considered a combination of "testing my wings" and "the great purging". This was the first time writing Cupid and especially Lapis on a mission and it felt awkward to handle them at first, but I had a lot of fun working with them all the same. In accordance with PC's final bit of advice, though, my next mission will be much shorter, more consistent with the PPC canon, and yes, 100% tickle free. ;)
P.S. Lapis sounding more mature than she looks is actually intentional and related to her backstory both as a character and in terms of my own creative history with her. I'll probably hold off explaining it in full until after she's been through a few missions, though! -
My thoughts. by
on 2015-03-23 05:44:00 UTC
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As always, my reviews contain my honest (and occasionally blunt) opinions. I am not trying to be cruel or mean-spirited, and apologize if I come off that way. It is not my intention.
First off, your characters didn’t quite sit well with me. Their characterization seemed rather flat at times. I did like that Sarah was being tested, but I feel like not enough was done to stress that through the story. As for the other characters, Lapis in particular felt strange to me. Her speech and thoughts sometimes felt more in line with someone much older than she actually is. Slightly relating to that, I’m not a fan of using agents so young. Fifteen feels like a healthy bare minimum for Action Department duties.
I didn’t see the need for the action scene in part one. It seemed to be just an excuse to one, have your characters slightly show off; and two, put in another tickling scene (a phenomenon which I will address below). Nothing seemed to be added by it.
Finally, I really don’t like this tendency for your fics to devolve into massive battles that usually involve canonical characters. I’ve said this multiple times: PPC agents are not soldiers. PPC agents are not James Bourne-esque spies. PPC agents are certainly not James Bond-esque spies. If any sort of canonical comparison is to be made, PPC agents are (at least in my mind) like the original cast of Red vs. Blue: ill-trained, snarky, and stuck in an unenviable position that occasionally involves killing something but mostly involves standing around watching stuff. And we certainly do not get the canonicals involved.
There were also some little details that stuck in my mind:
You have a tendency to overuse the parenthetical aside in your writing. By that, I mean separate one-line instances (separated in a sentence like so). These feel too much like author’s notes. I feel like a lot of those could be either excised entirely or made into actual sentences/paragraphs.
Was the canonical Pit being made aware of the PPC something that happened in the previous mission that I just missed? Didn’t they neuralize him? Canonicals with knowledge of the PPC should be reserved for what are essentially gods. Fourth wall breakers should, at best, only be able to see agents when they are alerted to their presence or, as Roger Rabbit put it, “only when it’th funny.” Otherwise, we’ll be flooded with characters that know about the PPC. We’re supposed to be a secret society, remember?
You have some moments of divergent POV (such as on page 12, when Cupid is getting swarmed by the writhing mass), which can make for some awkwardly phrased moments. Typically with third person, paragraphs follow around one character. When another character acts, speaks, or thinks, you make a new paragraph.
You have multiple moments of telling rather than showing scattered throughout the mission.
Is this supposed to be a specific version of Smash Bros.? I ask because you threw in multiple characters (Master Hand, Crazy Hand, Ice Climbers) that are not in the present Wii U version. Did the author of the badfic do that? If that is the case, it should be marked as a charge. Also, I don’t recall Donkey Kong talking in any canon outside of the CGI cartoon show.
Finally, I want to talk about the tickling. This might get a little rant-ish, so heads up.
Back when I betaed one of your older mission, I recommended that you split off the tickling scenes into a separate side story. If I recall my notes correctly, I was concerned that said scenes upset the pacing of the piece and added nothing to the overall characterization of your agents. You have not only ignored that advice, you amplified the scenes. You even made it a plot point in your last mission. And here it is again, multiple scenes buried in the body of the mission.
I have to ask why.
It’s all very well and good to say, “If you don’t like this, skip ahead,” but in the case of your missions it could mean missing important story or character information. Putting the scenes in question into a separate fic would both ensure that nothing is missed and that those who are interested in reading tickling scenes may do so at their leisure.
At the very least, I ask that you remember that the concept of “Your Kink is Not My Kink” can cut both ways. You are free to have fetishes, and you are free to write about them. But keep in mind that everyone else in the PPC may not have such a fetish, and so is less inclined to read about it.
All in all, I wasn’t blown away by this story. There are too many moments that draw me out of the narrative. I would recommend staying away from big epic missions for the future and focusing on small stories, be they in the field or in the PPC. Get to know the characters. Expand on them. Hone your writing skills. Get outside your comfort zone. -
*Jason Bourne. by
on 2015-03-23 11:28:00 UTC
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Also, I find it very clear that you do not share this particular fetish with SkarmorySilver. In fact, you could hardly be more obvious about it without resorting to some sort of angry placard. While I don't have a tickling fetish, some of my own (and of my agents, come to that) are similarly outré, and I'm sure you have them too. I get that you want them out of sight and out of mind so that you can focus on the agents' characters, but please remember that often one's likes and dislikes inform one's character.
Look, mate, I'm a bratty or uppity kind of sub, depending on who you ask. I disagree with people on a lot of stuff, I'm headstrong, and I get a little unnecessary at times - and it's at least in part because of my desire to be put back in my place. It feels like a more natural, comfortable interaction to have. Besides that, what about gay people who have to trawl through yet another straight romance (with the inevitable attendant sex scenes - oh, sorry, should've edited this bit out) to glean some insight into a character, how they operate, how they love? You're right that YKINMK cuts both ways, but perhaps a little more understanding would benefit everyone.
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Valid points. by
on 2015-03-23 14:26:00 UTC
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You're right about one's likes and dislikes informing one's character. I will admit that fetishes can be a way of doing so (and I will fully admit to having my own.) That being said, I would feel the same way even if this were a fetish that I shared. My problem -- one that I probably didn't communicate very well -- is that these scenes seem to be occurring at the expense of the overall story. They slow down the plot and add very little if anything at all to the ultimate conclusion. Their inclusion feels awkward and artificial. At least to me, anyway.
I would also hesitate before filing said scenes under "characterization moments." If one or two character have a specific fetish that ultimately informs how they feel and act, then it's all good to me. When it's multiple characters across multiple stories with the same fetish, it feels less like a method of fleshing someone out and more like the footprint of the author.
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on 2015-03-23 12:29:00 UTC
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I haven't read many of Skarm's missions, and haven't particularly flagged up 'the tickling scenes' when I have.
You say what about gay people who have to trawl through yet another straight romance[?], and you're right, of course. The same goes for every other way in which any given reader or writer differs from the 'cultural norm'. (And as a side note, given your strong opinions in this general area, I'd be really interested to see you contribute to this discussion up-Board.) If you're interested in something that the majority of people aren't - whether it's a fetish, a fandom, or a genre - you're going to have a hard time finding it to read, and are likely to face some... let's say skepticism when you write it.
But on the flip side: most PPC missions aren't stuffed full of (agent) romance, straight or otherwise. There's a handful of cases where someone decided to make their agents' relationships an arc plot (I'm randomly thinking of Araeph's inclusion of the Isaiah/Quen [I think?] subplot in her DTE missions), but even so, most of their missions don't really cover it. So your hypothetical (er... not so hypothetical, around here XD) gay person will usually be able to read a mission without having to read straight romance, whoever that mission is by.
And yeah, sometimes people get ellipsis skeptical about single instances, too. I know at least one person was put off by the fact that Agent Kaitlyn is a lesbian, despite it going virtually unmentioned in the mission which revealed it. But I think there is a difference between 'this thing shows up occasionally, and it kinda bugs me', and 'this thing shows up in every single one of your missions', whatever the thing is. PPC missions aren't about the agents' sex lives, and seeing them pop up constantly can be jarring even if it's entirely in accordance with your own sexuality. ;)
All that being said, and just to make sure I tick off both of you: I'm not sure that YKINMK does cut both ways the way PoorCynic is suggesting. That phrase has always, to me, meant '... but I'll respect it anyway', not '... so don't make a big deal about it'. It's a concept designed to allow people to express feelings (and more broadly, non-harmful opinions) that other people might find unusual - not a way to ask them to stop doing so.
Too many words; gonna stop here.
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That's probably more reasonable a response than I deserved. by
on 2015-03-23 13:09:00 UTC
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You are also right, and I can see that PC was driving for that point as well with the benefit of hindsight. I still think they were being a little harsh with regards to Skarmory's mission, which is a perfectly serviceable little romp through a fandom of which I know the square root of sweet Fanny Adams, but I can see that if you take exception to something and you see it a lot, then it gets grating. Lord knows I'm no stranger to that.
Actually, point of order, that's why I haven't contributed to the discussion, particularly the bit with SeaTurtle's, er, dubious argument in it. I disagree with their assessment of the matter completely and I think it's disingenuous, but I don't trust myself to go into detail without really ripping into them, and the Board is no place for the amount of vitriol I tend to vomit up when sufficiently roused.
To paraphrase Huinesoron's Even Tediouser Day, you won't like me when I'm surly. =]
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Oh, come on. by
on 2015-03-24 00:21:00 UTC
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You don't understand how much I need your input on this matter. If there's something I'm not interpreting correctly or if I'm overlooking some critical fact I absolutely need somebody to tell me so that I can review my position with the new information! I have the awful feeling that I've crossed a line somewhere and I'd like to repair the damage or something.
Are you sure you don't want to chat? I really don't care if you vomit vitriol at me; you don't even know how much bullpoop I've been through in high school. I'm virtually verbally bulletproof at this point. -
Insert old joke about the masochist and the sadist here. by
on 2015-03-24 01:21:00 UTC
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Okay. I've had time to think on this, and I think I can put it this way without resorting to unnecessary shouting.
While your population statistics are probably accurate, that isn't the point. We don't live in a homogenous world, we live in a multicultural one. There are going to be people from different cultures and with different beliefs in any major city, and fanfic writers have a tendency to gloss over this because of how their brains perceive "normal". No, not even that - how they perceive "relatable".
See, there's a pernicious idea that needs expunging from the collective consciousness; that only "normal" people can ever be relatable on any level. Oh, sure, the characters may have quirks, but by and large they're within one standard deviation from what the current society considers normal - which, at present, is Straight White Cisgender Able-bodied Neurotypical Male. This is the image pushed as "normal" and "relatable" to the point where the Ghostbusters remake with Kristen Wiig and Melissa McCarthy got canned and replaced with more Straight White Cisgender etc. Again, the fact that the cast of this was women was only a single point, not that big of a deviation from the norm, and yet this was still cause for entitled outrage on an apocalyptic scale.
This. Is not. Okay.
Pushing the idea that the only stories worth telling are about Straight White Cisgender etc. is lying to children, feeding them toxic arse-gravy that will come back to haunt every single generation down the line until we break the cycle. Companies won't do it (see previous Ghostbusters point/rant, whichever term for it you prefer), so it's up to fans of the series, and yet people just... don't. Because they want to write stories about "normal" people in fantastic situations, or fantastical people in "normal" situations. Because "normal" is a set demographic pushed by the all-pervading monolith of Western culture (which my people have to shoulder some of the blame for; sorry about that, world), one pushed on people even when it's not remotely possible for them to conform to that standard of "normal" or be part of that demographic.
And frankly, there's no reason for an American story about Straight White Cisgender etc. people to be the "normal" for, say, India (where paler complexions are a mark of beauty due in part to Western influence). Or China. Or anywhere else that isn't bloody America. Yet that's the image of a "relatable" protagonist shoved into the world; J. Random Whiteguy Saving The proverbial Day.
I'll end this on the following quote, courtesy of Noam Chomsky:
"All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda machine, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and consume."
We have the choice not to be part of that system; as fanfic writers, we're already on the outside looking in. We don't have to make the same mistakes as the pre-existing culture.
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MY BODY IS READY by
on 2015-03-24 02:36:00 UTC
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...but I digress.
Firstly, thank you for your answer. I can tell that this subject is very important to you.
Secondly, well said. It's disheartening to see only stories of a particular type featuring the same old cast running around and doing the same things again (quoting hS again: "straightwhiteman wields sword" or "straightwhiteman falls in love"). It's why I'm doing my best in my spinoff to integrate as much diversity as possible-- the PPC is a multidimensional organization dagnabit and it's waaaaay too unlikely that they mostly recruit US/Canadian/British folks.
My original post was motivated by me trying to figure out why white straight protags are overrepresented. It's simply a look at the number of potential straight white non-LGBT authors in the US (who will likely only write about what they can see in their mirror): I didn't mean it to come out as "well, they're the overwhelming majority so we must cater to them" and I apologize if it did. We really need some fresh perspectives on the table: hell, I'm not even sure if I ever encountered a hapa haole white-Chinese protag "in the wild"! Let me tell you that being mixed-race sucks big time: no representation, no love, no respect from either side of the divide.
Once again, thank you for your time and perspective.
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Well, it wasn't gonna be a "remake", per se... by
on 2015-03-24 11:38:00 UTC
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More of an ASM-style rebooty kind of deal with the aforementioned all-female main cast than anything else. Despite this, Sony caved to the ragevomiting of the internet's fedora-partial contingent and basically announced a different reboot with a more "action-orientated" story and an all-male cast.
Now, I can't trust myself to not try and kill everyone in the building when I think about it too long, so it's useful that my thoughts were summarized by Film Brain:- -
I think it was doomed from the start by
on 2015-03-25 11:41:00 UTC
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Because, well, the original is just too much of a classic. It worked in a way that would be practically impossible to top, let alone repeat, regardless of whoever they cast. In pure numerical terms, the original has 97% Tomatometer; this lightning wouldn't strike twice.
Do I support the other, all-male reboot? Of course not; I think it's a very stupid, pointless and damaging idea, and has practically no chance of being good. In comparison to it, Feig's reboot is merely misguided for the reasons I outlined above.
In fact, let me just conclude on something I believe about ALL remakes; to me, they're only worth doing to second-rate films, namely ones with cool ideas that failed hard on execution (i.e. something like Priest or Ultraviolet) because then there's a good chance of getting improved film. There's no improving a classic, and deciding to reboot one is shooting the film in the foot, pretty much deciding to create something inferior from the start.
The only exceptions to that rule I can think of are The Departed (condensed improvement), All Quiet on The Western Front (where the original was a silent, black-and-white film) and Coens' True Grit (at least as good as the original). However, these are only three films versus dozens of mediocre retreads and outright disasters. -
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Perhaps, but... by
on 2015-03-25 12:54:00 UTC
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Does it really make any difference it terms of having to live up to, and compete with, the original (my primary, and only concern)?
Hell, back when Spider-Man was rebooted, I at least could understand the rationale of them adapting different arcs from the character's 70 year-old or so comic-book history that weren't seen on the big screen before. I guess that Feig's reboot could do something like that and be successful in its own right; I'm not ruling it out completely. However, I still think that an weaker, less established property would've been a better fit, and contributed more to cinema.
Think back to The Invasion of Body Snatchers of 1979; it was based on a 1950's film of the same name that was decent but no more, and they made their film so good it became the definite version, and no-one besides film historians now remembers the original (especially since there were two shitty remakes afterwards, further proving my point).
I think it's awesome, and if Feig chose a film of similar calibre, he and his actresses could've made their reboot the iconic, definite version. As much as we might wish otherwise, this will never really happen with a Ghostbusters reboot, regardless of gender, race and other characteristics of those involved. -
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(And do feel free to correct me if I'm misunderstanding you.)
"Ghostbusters, a slightly campy comedy movie from the '80s, is Deathless Art and must remain unsullied by mortal hands. Anyone who comes at it with a fresh, interesting, or updated take will destroy it, in the action of the reverse Midas; that which was gold, will be remade normal. Woe, woe and thrice woe that this should come to pass, that we receive TWO new Ghostbusters movies in short order, NEITHER of which is exactly the same as the original thing that I really really like!"
If I have understood you properly, you are skeptical of Sony's ability to not screw something up. This is entirely justified, especially after the news that they're funding what amounts to a direct competitor to the planned all-female reboot because of all the whinging neckbeards who decried that girls and their cooties come anywhere near their bloody tree house. What is also a shame is that we know from what Sony's told us that the all-male reboot is going to be a colossal reeking turd in the modern way.
Don't hide behind a front of caring about art, as if a Ghostbusters movie (A BLOODY GHOSTBUSTERS MOVIE) "contributing more to cinema" is your primary concern. It's disingenuous. You don't want a remake because you don't want anything to remove the original Ghostbusters films from your brain. Therefore, I leave you with an anecdote from Ray Bradbury.
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Ugh. Twitter. I hate it. by
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You never know until about halfway through a chain if you are supposed to read it from top to bottom or vice versa.
Well, I also hate it because it turns all rational discussion into mudslinging by necessity because of the tragically short post length, and that for some reason people think a stream of short blurbs will fix this issue, but that's a rant for another day.
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Anyway, wow. I have no connection to Ghostbusters (child of the 2000's, YAY!) but that is just stupid. Although, I am only seeing one side of the argument. Let me go check and see if there are any reasonable arguments for the all-male cast elsewhere...
...Nope! Just a bunch of dudes who remember their Ghostbusters being male, so want all Ghostbusters to be male. That's round-about the extent of it. -
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I was not super keen on the film, mostly because not of the idea, but the cast. I do not find Melissa McCarthy or Kristen Wiig very entertaining. So I thought they just would not make it a very entertaining film. I still would have seen it. I would also would not have been keen on it if it was an all male cast and starred Will Ferrell and Steve Carell. I just do not think they are very funny. Then again it is going to be hard to top the genius that was Aykroyd, Ramis, Murrey. In my opinion.
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Your opinion would perhaps have more weight... by
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If you could spell Bill Murray's name right.
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And that's why I ought not read law books while posting (nm) by
on 2015-03-25 03:23:00 UTC
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Rose Potter, Part 4! by
on 2015-03-22 17:36:00 UTC
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Oh dear god please make it stahp
Well, at least now there's only two left! *blows noisemakers*
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However, they eventually had to make their way to back to listen in.
There may be one “to” too much.
We could always just dump somewhere for a critter to find it or something.
Dump what? Is there a word missing?
Rina pulled him to the floor behind one of the sofas as when they spotted Ron there.
I’m not sure about this, but it doesn’t feel right. Maybe one of these words would be enough?
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Fixed, fixed, and fixed! Thank you! (nm) by
on 2015-03-24 18:37:00 UTC
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*comforting hug* by
on 2015-03-23 17:35:00 UTC
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Do you need chocolate, too? I can give you some; my agents got a lifetime supply of Bleepolate...
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Chocolate?! by
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Yesh yesh gimme gimme gimme
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Re: Rose Potter, Part 4! by
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On the one hand, you only have two left. On the other hand, Order of the Phoenix is probably the worst.
I know this fic is incredibly toxic and you want to end it at a point where Rose is legitimately in danger, but it might be nice to have let it run through to the bit where Dumbledore explains everything. I couldn't really tell how far Rose had "read ahead" on this one, if that makes sense. Did she know about the whole "Fake Moody" scheme, or not?
Overall, you're doing a fantastic job, and I really admire your tenacity.
As far as Hogwarts Exposed goes... Doing Rose Potter and Little Miss Mary is bad enough. Doing Rose Potter, Little Miss Mary, AND Hogwarts Exposed is seriously pushing it (and by it, I mean the boundaries of your sanity). You don't have to kill all the Legendary Badfic yourself; save some of it for the rest of us. ;) -
It was the best opportunity to kill her. by
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I know there was quite a bit left, but the agents aren't going to risk getting hurt. And no, she somehow had no idea Moody was Crouch Jr. Very strange.
I'm already 85 pages into RPOotP and feel ill— and I've read it several times before in preparation for sporking.
Anyway, yeah, like I said, those are the main reasons I haven't laid claim to Hogwarts Exposed. My sanity's stretched thin enough as it is and O want to leave something for others to take a shot at. :3 -
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"Canin took over again for most of the chapter; Dumbledore introduced the heads of the schools and how the Triwizard champions would be selected, yadda yadda yadda. After the feast, Rose ditched her friends to wait for Cedric in the entrance hall."
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I'll have to wait to fix it until tomorrow, but thank you. :)
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*shakes fist* CURSE YOU, IXIMAZ! by
on 2015-03-22 22:32:00 UTC
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THAT WAS MY MOMENT! MINE!!! I WILL MAKE YOU PAY FOR THIS IF IT TAKES MY WHOLE LIFE!!!
XD I kid, I kid. Good job as always! I liked the way you offed Rose this time around - who knew Thunder Wave could still paralyze even outside the Pokemon universe? -
I SOWWY by
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*offers Poffins*
Innit handy, though? Gotta love that Thunder Wave. :3
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No hard feelings :) by
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I'm tempted to make a repost of my own mission so it's more visible for feedback, though. Seems only fair that I try to steal the spotlight back XD
I almost felt sorry for Voldemort at the end there. The keyword being almost, considering all the nasty tuff he's done in canon... -
Compared to Rose? by
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Voldemort is a big snuggle-bunny. The stuff Rose does in Part 5 is enough to give anyone nightmares.
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Now I'm sorry for Voldemort too... :( (nm) by
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At least he didn't do part 7... by
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Can you imagine? Or better yet, don't...incidentally, and a bit of trivia - Keiran's screen name comes from the Star Wars Expanded universe. It's the name of an ancient Jedi and the ancestor of a prominent character, Corran Horn.
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Wasn't he also a massive Gary Stu to boot? by
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And ugh, all of Deathly Hallows's themes of friendship and sacrifice would have been thrown out the window in factor of ninja naked-y goodness.
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Well, about Keiran Halcyon... by
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... you be the the judge. Honestly, I don't think he's much of a Canon Stu... compared to the guy who can blast green-colored Force Lightning without drawing from the Dark Side or the guy who escaped the Sarlacc and trained Han Solo's daughter.
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Plus, he pales in comparison to... by
on 2015-03-23 01:46:00 UTC
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Badass Mofo McJackson Awesomepants the 1st, Raynar "Check Out Deez Nuts" Thul.
But yeah, Halcyon's not really featured enough to be given a personality, or anything like that. He was just Horn's great great grandpappy. That was about it.
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... Raynar? by
on 2015-03-23 09:54:00 UTC
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Are we talking about the same 'completely useless, then got assimilated by the Burg' Raynar?
I vaguely recall him doing something after that point, but... don't really remember what.
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*Puts on Star Wars Nerd Hat* by
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Okay, well - after he was de-bugged, he essentially hung out at the Jedi Temple for a while convalescing, until Luke decided he was well enough to be a genuine Jedi again.
So he was given his awesome gold lightsaber back again, and wasn't really heard from much...UNTIL...A bunch of Mandalorians (this was before the Clone Wars 'toon made 'em more fleshed out) attacked the temple, then Raynar took on a bunch of dudes who were essentially Boba Fetts and won. Room full of 'em, in fact.
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No argument on Pellaeon. by
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Though I'm pretty sure the Mandalorians were well fleshed-out long before the cartoon... they were in the old Nomi Sunrider-era comics, for one thing. For that matter, you're talking about events post-Caedus, so Karen Traviss had already set out her version of the Mandos (which I don't mind admitting to finding very interesting indeed).
Still and all, at any point in time, taking out a roomful of Mandalorians is an impressive feat.
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Sure she has a personality! by
on 2015-03-23 03:07:00 UTC
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Take a Dalek, give it an extra dose of crazy, and stick it in a human. Voila!
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And that's how you make a Clara! =] (nm) by
on 2015-03-23 11:11:00 UTC
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Well, Now That I Have the Recipe, Time to Make My Own Clara (nm) by
on 2015-03-23 19:46:00 UTC
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Don't forget to add soufflé! (nm) by
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But where do you get the milk? by
on 2015-03-23 21:56:00 UTC
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Or the eggs for that matter?
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ROSE POTTER, EXTERMINATE, EXTERMINATE! (nm) by
on 2015-03-23 03:35:00 UTC
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You know... by
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I bet your description of her personality would work as the plot of a shipfic. (Sorry for any mental images!)
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Yeees, you8 can do it!! by
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And no, no one that does that to Ronald Weasley deserves to live! Kill her! And then revive her, and kill her again just for kicks!
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:D by
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How can anyone hate on poor Ron? he's awesome! I can just imagine him reading this fic and going:
I seem very gif-happy today.
Anyway, don't worry, PROotP is already well-underway! -
You know what would be great... by
on 2015-03-22 22:45:00 UTC
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... that there was a way to give Molly Weasley some sort of protection from Sue-Control and let her give her brand of justice on a conveniently immobilized Rose Potter. >:D
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So, something like this? by
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Oh, yes, yes, yes... by
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...and with "son" added too.
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Keep it up! by
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“Amos, think who you’re talking to!” said Mr Weasley, very angrily. “Is Rosey Potter likely to conjure the Dark Mark?”
“Yes,” both agents muttered in unison.
^I love this so much I cannot even express it. ^_^
McGonagall discreetly gave Rose a Time-Turner, and Rose discreetly put it in her invisible pocket.
^Why's this emphasised? It's not a mistake, and the sentence doesn't seem to add anything to the story.
...Rose and Dumbledore practiced the Imperius Curse on each other...
^Okay, I'm glad I stopped reading this rubbish. How is this acceptable? How do you endure the stupidity?
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Thanks! by
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I bolded it because it was used twice in the same sentence. Guess I should make that a bit clearer. ^^;
I endure the stupidity because it's so, so, so satisfying to get to the end and then kill her in the most anticlimactic ways possible. Plus, it's a Legendary! Who can resist the chance to say they've killed one?
But did you stop reading the mission at that point? Because I'd have thought what she did to Ron would be worse... -
I see. by
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No, not the mission. I love the missions! I stopped reading the original "stories" about halfway through CoS, and I'm glad I did, because the rest of this is brain-breakingly bad. Oh, and I've had enough blatant child sexualisation after reading all of Hogwarts Exposed. :-(
Yeah, I see why you bolded it now. It's just that discreet/discrete is a really common mistake and a particular pet peeve of mine.
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Now that I think about it, why... by
on 2015-03-23 01:33:00 UTC
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...isn't Hogwarts Exposed on the Legendary Badfic list? I mean, it's certainly notorious enough.
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I've asked myself the same thing (nm) by
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It has my vote. by
on 2015-03-23 01:35:00 UTC
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Just going through the sporking alone is leaving me queasy. How messed-up can this thing get?
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Oh gods Hogwarts Exposed D: (nm) by
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On Hogwarts Exposed by
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I'm kinda surprised nobody's killed it dead yet. Then again, I'm not sure any Agents would be able to survive it without going completely insane. The Ron-bashing alone is worse than in RP. Urgh... I think I have PTSD from it. Almost.
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...I'm kinda half-tempted to take it myself. by
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But I dunno, might want to leave it for someone else. *shrug*
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I may regret this but by
on 2015-03-23 18:47:00 UTC
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After and assuming I get permission I would be willing to tackle it. I have managed to pick up the talent to be able to sit through and read some of the most disturbing things known to mankind. Because lets face it, as bad as these things are, they are just fiction. You read enough cases about Criminal Law, this kind of stuff can be a walk in the park.
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Awww, then I'd miss out :-( (nm) by
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Whoops, that was me. (nm) by
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Okay... by
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What is Hogwarts Exposed?
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It's Bad. Very, very Bad. by
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Brief summary:
Replacement!Hermione becomes teacher. Emo!Harry is DADA teacher. They haven't been friends for like five years. A Sue who has been sexually abused by Madam Hooch comes to Hogwarts, is put in Gryffindor. Meets a Sue who looks like Hermione and is a nudist. Mini-Hermione convinces the rape victim to also become a nudist. Then Hermione adopts her and marries Harry. Meanwhile Mini-Hermione tries to give her virginity to Harry. Anyway, then they all become nudists and have naked tickling games with Harry, including Mini-Hermione's eleven-year-old sister. And that's mostly the first story. Later on, there's a sixteen-year-old trapped in a ten-year-old's body. And she has sex, quite clearly for the author's paedophilic fantasy fulfillment. Oh, and Mini-Hermione gets violently raped by Death Eaters after becoming a teacher at age 18.
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I think that this one also summarizes it perfectly: by
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Have a link. by
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Courtesy of Das Sporking. Bring copisous amounts of Bleep.
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This by
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And Mervin only got to the end of the second story. 3 and 4 are SO MUCH WORSE.
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How is this "series" of Mary-Sueishness even existing? by
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HOW?!
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I wish I knew. by
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Anyway, the code is this; just remove the [ ] where you see them:
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You need quotation marks around the URL, so like this:
<a href="http://www.YOUR_URL.com">Your text goes here</a>
And I used HTML character entities to make the triangle brackets show up without making a link. They're handy. {= )
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I've never needed to use quotes before. by
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That's just strange.
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Tsk tsk. by
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Someone taught you sloppy coding. You ALWAYS use quotation marks around the value in a tag, just like you always close a tag. Sure, your browser might be able to work around it if you don't, but that's no excuse. {; P
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All righty then, duly noted. :) (nm) by
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It just keeps getting worse. DX by
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Just one comment - it looks like Kieran Halcyon was using an early edition of the book, because JKR initially did give the counterspell for Stunning as Enervate - that's what it is in my copy of the book, which I got back in 2000. It was corrected to Rennervate in later editions though.
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Ah. by
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Okay, I'll make a note of that.
And it just. Gets. Even. Worse.
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Oh man. by
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I haven't started reading yet, but, uh... It's Rose Potter.
Therefore, Rina's e-mail might contain RA coordinates for a deadly world of my own invention when she gets back.
Yeah, I know it won't be used on Rose, you have those planned. But hey, should you ever need to drop a Sue on a planet populated with arsenic-based life, and where man-sized carnivorous arthropods are the least dangerous thing around, there you go.
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Ever wanted your fanfic read aloud? by
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Okay, maybe that wasn't the best way to phrase that question, but let me explain. I love reading aloud, I really do. People say I would be a good pick for audiobook-reading. But I digress... I got a voice-recorder app a while back. These days, I, well, find a fanfic that I really like and then read it while the app records it. Instant audiobook!
The point is, I got a YouTube account, and got permission from a few authors to put their read-aloud recordings on YouTube. And I found it's even more fun to post it then just keep it to myself.
So... If anyone knows a good fanfic, or has a good fanfic, that you would fancy me reading and posting for more fame, let me know!
Just to be clear, this is a totally free thing, no payment required, no catches. I only need the author's permission to post the recording. It'll be easier if it comes from a fandom I know. -
Recommended fandoms by
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So, just to let you know, recommended fandoms for these stories to come from would be Starlight Express, Cats, Phantom of the Opera, Warriors, Harry Potter, LOTR, Star Wars. I think that's it... I'm listing these because I know these fandoms and therefore have a better chance of more interest accurate character potrayal.
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Wow yousa make lots minis! *sweeps under rug* (nm) by
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Uh, pick something of mine? by
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I really don't know what of my stuff classifies as good or not to other people. But you could pick any one of my fics (www.fanfiction.net/~thebigcat) and read them aloud if you like.
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Capegrace grants permission. by
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Here's a link to the relevant story:
Worthless
Fandom: Worm
Rating: ... um, 15-ish? I think? Definitely a bit stronger than Contains Mild Peril (God I love the BBFC Ratings Board)
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Oh, how nifty! by
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I have dome many things, but this is not one of them. I'll have to try this sometime. Could come in handy for travel.
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Idea! by
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While I don't have any fanfiction I want read aloud (in fact, I haven't written any fanfiction at all!), that reminds me. The Playscriptes are a thing. Why not do a couple more?
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I personally hate it by
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When people read something I wrote out loud. It just bothers me for some reason.
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Why does it bother you, richard? (nm) by
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Im honestly not sure by
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But for some reason I always find it embarrassing when someone other then me reads something out loud that I wrote.
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Butchering names by
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That's what it is for me. Especially if one uses a really bizarre pronunciation (that legitimately does not exist) and the reader uses the real pronunciation.
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Okay, let's try this again... DIC Mission #1! by
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I apologize for reposting, but the advent of Rose Potter Part 4 kinda made it a lot harder for people to notice my newest mission. Anyway, enjoy, peeps!
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Not a criticism, just an observation... by
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Back in the good ol' days (about seven years ago now, when I first joined the PPC) there were some occasions where there'd be maybe three, four, five or more missions posted a day. And they all got attention. The more obscure the fandom/badfic, however, the less likely it is there are going to be masses of comments. Please don't ever feel offended just because someone else's mission got more attention than yours, especially if they are known to be taking on a Legendary Badfic in a massive fandom.
Very few of my missions ever got more than a few comments, but I always did them for the satisfaction of taking down a Sue, or occasionally slashwraith, that really cheesed me off rather than being praised for it. I'm not meaning to be preachy or anything here, but it seems like that might be a good way to think about missions. It's why we're here, after all, and our Agents certainly don't do it for the praise from Upstairs. XD -
You know... by
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The Wiki should mention somewhere that the KIU canons know about the PPC. Can anybody do that?
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You can post on the other thread. by
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Everyone already made it clear that this one was unneccessary; the thread you may be looking for is here.
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You didn't need to post it twice. by
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We aren't going to ignore you. I saw your story below and would have read it, except i don't know anything about the fandom you were missioning for. But don't repost just because you think we'll ignore you. We won't. Promise. At least I won't.
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Well said. by
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Also, I found a mini-Agent. *pats Slentthunder*
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MINE! I mean, can I have her? (nm) by
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More mini-Boarders! by
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You made a mini of the mini. ;) *sweeps Slentthunder under the rug*
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Dang it, Toey! (nm) by
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Also, I fail at life. *punts Icimaz* (nm) by
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That's not failing at life by
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Failing at life is waking up in a strange bathroom wondering where your pants are. Or accusing the dog of stealing your pants when you are still wearing them.
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I was just being silly. (nm) by
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So was I by
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But you have to admit that would be "failing life"
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My apologies were sincere. by
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And I'm sincere about my apology now as well. I'm ashamed to admit this, but I really was genuinely upset that Iximaz stole the spotlight from me this morning and I overcompensated. It won't happen again.
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It was partially my fault. by
on 2015-03-23 03:15:00 UTC
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Even if I was planning on posting today, and people have posted missions on the same day as other people (you and I posted our co-write the same day as the co-write I did with World-Jumper, actually!), I should've realized I needed to hold off another day or something. I didn't think my mission would overshadow yours, and I'm sorry.
I'm not going to lie, I am a bit nettled you re-posted your mission, but what's done is done.
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It's okay! ^^ We still love you! *hugs* (nm) by
on 2015-03-23 03:01:00 UTC
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Look, he only needed to be told once. by
on 2015-03-23 01:24:00 UTC
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Dogpiling on someone like this? Not cool, guys. Not cool.
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-Shrugs- by
on 2015-03-23 05:38:00 UTC
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I don't know about other people, but I only saw PC's post after I posted mine.
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Dude... come on! Seriously? by
on 2015-03-23 00:09:00 UTC
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I thought you were just joking with the temptation part! But why would you do this? Not cool man...
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Come on, old spot, really now? by
on 2015-03-22 23:55:00 UTC
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I mean, I'm sure it's good and you're right to be as proud of it as you are, but... really? Did the existence of the mouse wheel or down arrow or scrollbar just up and vanish from your brain? It's all very well offering your
nonapologies, but this is a pointless post that knocked something else back to the second page, which people really don't look at. You really needed to give this a little more time to air before jumping in.
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Okay, hang on. by
on 2015-03-23 00:00:00 UTC
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There's no call to be rude. Remember to treat every member of this community in the same manner that you yourself would want in return.
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Bad example to use as far as I'm concerned, by
on 2015-03-23 11:09:00 UTC
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But I see your point.
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Dude, no. by
on 2015-03-22 23:35:00 UTC
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Your other thread is three threads below this one. Most people can read more than one thread. I think you've just pushed a thread off the first page for little to no reason. Do notice that Nesh and Iximaz told Silenthunder the same thing a couple days ago.
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Really? by
on 2015-03-22 23:31:00 UTC
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The first post of this is only three entries down. Do you not think people can scroll down the page at least a little bit? Come on. Be respectful of other people and their posts on the Board.
My comments on the piece will be posted something tonight.
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I want to buy this man a root beer. by
on 2015-03-23 01:59:00 UTC
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http://www.themarysue.com/diversity-in-fanfic/
THIS. ONE HUNDRED PERCENT THIS.
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I think the author makes good points, but... by
on 2015-03-23 16:59:00 UTC
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Well, one of the reasons for a lack of diversity in fanfiction is because of the already-present lack of diversity in the fandom being written about. Not everyone makes OCs *gasp* and work instead with what they've been provided. If there isn't any diversity in the original work, what are you going to do, change the characters from their canon selves? It really seems like this was written more for original works instead of fanfiction.
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I am... confused. by
on 2015-03-23 16:43:00 UTC
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It might be the jargon or it might be me, but I think I lost this guy somewhere in the middle of the article. Can someone please do me a favour and tell me what this guy says...?
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I don't think there's one main point. by
on 2015-03-23 19:10:00 UTC
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The article reads more like a multi-element writing guide than one particular thing, so you kind of need to break it down section-by-section. I suppose the intro is basically about why minorities in fan fiction matter (see below for my take on the subject, the author doesn't really go into as much depth about why *ism in writing is bad and where it comes from), and some of the basis for it (that American culture is saturated with *isms, a statement I can certainly get behind).
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In a nutshell... by
on 2015-03-23 16:52:00 UTC
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Fanfiction is great because we can write anything without publishers and editors breathing down our necks, forcing us to conform with what's considered "normal." So how come we don't try to write more diverse characters/stories/worlds? Sure, we might get some things wrong when trying to write about characters who differ from ourselves, and when we do mess up people are totally gonna call us on it, and it'll suck—but that's okay! Criticism is how we learn to be better. So, as long as you're making an honest effort and doing your homework to avoid stereotypes, why not go for it? It would be super-awesome to see the level of diversity in the real world reflected in fanfic.
... I think that pretty much covers it.
What terms were tripping you up? I apparently speak Tumblr-ese, despite not spending any time there.
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I'm not sure. by
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It's a bit like reading an unclear philosopher. You know the words, you know their meaning, but when they get put together... you go 'whut' and 'I don't get it'.
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Ah, I Too Took a Few Credits of Tumblr-ese by
on 2015-03-23 18:00:00 UTC
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But seriously, you hit the nail on the head, as far as I can tell.
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A more comprehensive response. by
on 2015-03-23 15:40:00 UTC
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Let me begin by saying that there were a number of things about this article that I found worthy of either praise or criticism, but that aren't relevant to its focus on fanfiction and instead address broader and somewhat more incendiary topics. Other than mentioning that I find the very heavy "Tumblrese" in which the article is written both constantly aggravating and a bit difficult to fully comprehend (meaning I might be missing or misunderstanding a little of what was actually said), I won't be addressing them here.
The first thing I noticed is that the article does not really address issues relevant to fanfiction specifically:
For one thing, it doesn't deal with the fact that a lot of fanfiction has a highly nonhuman cast (I don't think I've ever written anything with a more than 50% human character list) or is set in a world completely divorced from our own, opening up a whole host of questions even I can't immediately answer about how our concepts of "diversity" and "representation" would apply. Should authors include black Elves? Transgender turians?
Second, the author doesn't really address one of my big questions when it comes to *isms in fanfiction- to what degree we should be "true" to the demographics of the setting we are working in. That question has a lot of dimensions that, again, I don't have good answers for: What if the setting would just naturally be very homogeneous by many of our standards? What if it's a setting that fully acknowledges some sort of bias exists within it? What if it's a setting like Original Trek, one that tried to be more egalitarian in its day but missed a few things?
Without addressing questions like those above, this reads more like a general writing guide for making your work less *ist, and I think it's a reasonably good one. Most of it is stuff I've seen before, but I do particularly like the addition of "don't make this a PSA", "what am I getting wrong?" and "how to take criticism" sections. I would also like to see less focus on "representation" and more on making the minorities you include actually equal, but then we're getting into the external issues I said I wouldn't talk about. -
Black Elves, no. by
on 2015-03-23 15:53:00 UTC
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But (and I'm going to sit firmly in Middle-earth for this) you can have black Gondorians - there's historical relations between northern Harad and southern Gondor. You can have transgender elves - no, Tolkien would never have written it, but the same social, genetic, environmental or whatever factors which lead to people feeling their assigned gender is incorrect would still exist even among the Elder Children of Iluvatar. You can have hobbits in wheelchairs (juuuuust about, though I'd suggest looking up what people used before they were invented) and Rohirrim with Down's Syndrome. You can have gay dwarves - heck, given the comments about how, even with the massive minority of women in dwarven society, some females still didn't get married, you could even argue that lesbian dwarves are explicit canon. You can have black Maiar, and poverty-stricken Numenoreans, and Orcs with miner's lung, and Arnorian single mothers, and Doriathrin orphans, and... honestly, the list just goes on and on.
So no, Tolkien's world doesn't justify black Elves. But it doesn't justify everyone you meet being exactly like the protagonists of the books, either. Middle-earth is a world - and worlds aren't homogeneous.
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For that matter... by
on 2015-03-23 17:03:00 UTC
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There's nothing stating we can't have transgender Turians. It certainly wouldn't be out of place in a Bioware world.
Plenty of fandoms have the possibility for more diversity, and if you look hard enough you can find the writers writing fanfiction just because they want to see that diversity represented. Honestly, it's worse to me when you see stuff like writing Katniss as white, or ignoring the canonly gay Transformers characters in favor of making them straight. I'd rather see black Elves than read another story explaining how Korra and Asami are just really good friends -
I concur with his points and consider them well-put. by
on 2015-03-23 13:13:00 UTC
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I will not say more, because I have capital-O Opinions regarding certain portions of this thread and, despite all the evidence to the contrary, I don't like outright confrontation very much. It's scary. Plus I don't trust myself to remain civil on such matters, which is a problem around here.
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I assume you're referring to my post... by
on 2015-03-23 13:38:00 UTC
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...considering that I'm the only one here who hasn't started their post with a variation of "I agree".
I'd still like to hear your capital-O Opinions on the matter if that's OK with you. Hearing from as many different perspectives as possible is important when it's time to weigh in on a subject-- it's also a central component to the Socratic method. Perhaps we could take this up in private? -
Again... by
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I don't really trust myself to remain civil regarding the points you made, and I'd rather not antagonise someone from around here.
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I understand. by
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Jus to be clear, in my post I was trying to rationalize why there would be so many protagonists of a certain demographic group. I'm not implying that any other demographic is less important or not worthy of representation.
Again, I invite anyone to disagree with my analysis. As a(n aspiring) scientist I can safely say that we thrive on being proven wrong: it gives us an opportunity to learn. Only through the exchange of ideas can we move forward with a better model for viewing the world. After all, a scientific article with no peer review is worthless! -
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An observation. by
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I 100% agree with this article but I have just one thing to say with regards to the following quote:
"Because the world around us has made every effort to whitewash our brains, we tend to gravitate toward characters who are, you guessed it, straight, white, cisgender, able-bodied men. This is the character at thecentercentre of the story that we’re supposed to identify with and cheer for, not because we actually have anything in common with him, but because he is the 'Everyman', the default, normal. Oh, and look, all his friends are also straight, white, cisgender, able-bodied men, except for his one non-white buddy, who is there to dispense ethnically humorous wisdom, and the solitary straight, white, cisgender, able-bodied woman who functions as the Sexy Lamp - I mean, Love Interest."
This is an incredibly American-centric worldview. Is it really a big surprise that authors from a majoritarily white country write about straight white people? About 80% of the US population is white-- along with 13-ish% black and 4.43% asian. Furthermore, the Williams Institute reports that 3.5% of the US population is LGBT (with the T component only being 0.3% of the total population). These two factors combined effectively make the straight white person the most statistically average (hence "normal") person in the US: assuming constant LGBT spread across all ethnicities, that's over 246 million straight white people in the US-- 77.2% of the population.
It's not so much whitewashing as just simply Americans writing stories about the biggest demographic. When you start taking into account the authors' social class (because exactly who is given the opportunity to become published writers: the poor or the rich? Remember how wealth is divided in the States...) the statistics start leaning even more heavily towards straight white people. Also considering that the other major source of English media is Europe-- where white people come from-- it's not surprising that we're constantly surrounded by that demographic.
That being said, the article is bang on the money when it comes to the ethnic sidekick character and the cardboard cutout women. Seriously guys: pull yourself together and write some quality characters.
Diversity is awesome-- that's why I decided to write about the PPC's Infrastructure and Security departments. I want to show more non-Commonwealth/US agents from all walks of life working in the PPC; something that is difficult to do if you're only writing about one or two agent teams in particular. -
But that's... bad. by
on 2015-03-23 15:44:00 UTC
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I've spent all day trying to come up with a response to this, and especially to [EvilAI]UBEROverlord's reaction, and to be honest I still haven't managed. Therefore, I'm just going to write words and hope something coherent comes out, because I can't let this go without... yeah, opposition.
The purpose of writing fiction is to expose your readers to something new. That's half of what we complain about in badfic: the fact that they aren't doing anything new, just telling the same old stories over and over. And when that happens in terms of, say, genres - when Twilight was successful, say, and the bookshops suddenly filled with supernatural teen romances with artsy black covers - we get annoyed. The most recent one I've noticed is 'dystopic teenagers' - there's at least three recent movies about that one (Hunger Games, Divergent, The Maze Runner), and of course we're always going on about how all the movies are remakes and pointless sequels.
My point is, we tend to agree that doing that is bad. A writer has a responsibility to tell a new story - to show their reader something different. Whether it's genre, or plot, or character, you don't want to see them just reusing the same ones over and over. You want them to think of - and show you - something else.
So... why are you trying to give people a pass when they do exactly that over race, or sexuality? If all books are 'straightwhiteman wields sword' or 'straightwhiteman falls in love', how is that different from them all being 'postapocalpticteen is a gladiator' or 'postapocalypticteen is segregated'?
EAUO hit it on the head by using the word 'provincialism'. Writing only your own cultural norm reflects a blindness to the world as a whole; it comes close to outright rejecting the overwhelming variety of stories you could tell, in order to keep safely in your comfort zone; and it deprives your readers of the chance to expand their own worldviews. The most powerful way to help people accept difference - which is the biggest problem in the world today, and I say this as a resident of a constituency which stands a serious chance of voting in a far-right nationalist party to government, good grief - is to simply show them that the 'different'... ain't all that different.
And that, I think, approaches what I'm trying to say.
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I agree to certain extent. by
on 2015-03-23 19:02:00 UTC
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When you write, you want to write new and exciting; bold and fresh. Keep the reader on their toes with a story that isn't bland or mundane with the similar and used. Adding diversity in your characters can do that... provided you know what you're doing.
Write for the story's sake is one of my mantras. I'm currently working on both Star Wars and a Harry Potter fanfictions. (No worries, I'm keeping them well away from any of the main canon plots or characters.) Both main characters are women. One is manic-depressive. The other is high-anxiety.
While I think these traits add an extra dimension to the story in giving them struggles to fight and overcome, I don't add said traits in for the sake of having them. It works for their backgrounds, because, honestly, if they didn't have these issues from where they came from then the characters would be less believable.
I think writing based on cultural norms isn't harmful, but only if you're writing for believability. Having a tribe of Ewoks on the planet Kashyyyk like it's really NBD will throw everything into disarray, and, from what I can tell, is one of the many continuum issues we resolve in our missions.
Same thing with human cultures. Write to include diversity, but keep it withing socially normative expectancy. If you go against said expectancy, explain how this came to be so it doesn't throw the reader through a loop and out of the story. You have a black Moslem living in a Augustinian convent in the 14th century? Tell (through the story, not as an aside) why/how this came to be, because, for those monks, a black Moslem in a convent is not the norm.
Stay away from completely unbelievable situations.
Probably rambling at this point, but I hope I'm at least being understood. I think diversity is good, but I favor believability more. If done in good taste and without smacking the reader over the head with blatant diverse overtones for the sake of being diverse, and not not actually tell a story (unless that was the point of the story), shakes me out of the narrative and, TBH, annoys me.
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Well said. by
on 2015-03-23 19:20:00 UTC
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Jaster sums up pretty well how I feel about the issue.
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Thank you. by
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Also, seeing as how I brought up Kashyyyk...
IN BEFORE THE CHEWBACCA DEFENSE!
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The Chewbacca what now? by
on 2015-03-23 19:28:00 UTC
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I'm not familiar with Star Wars canon. Care to elaborate?
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Inbound Link headed your way! by
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Aaaaaand Bam!
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And it actually works (nm) (nm) by
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Agreed by
on 2015-03-23 19:23:00 UTC
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That basically what I was trying to say in all my various posts.
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A much more articulate version by
on 2015-03-23 19:19:00 UTC
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That's what I've been trying to say, though not as clear as what you did.
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I actually surprised myself by
on 2015-03-23 19:46:00 UTC
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I'm usually not that clear with words. But thank you :)
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I agree with you too. by
on 2015-03-23 19:18:00 UTC
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I particularly like write for the story's sake, both the phrase itself and the message behind it. If you don't mind, I would like to appropriate that as a mantra of my own.
(Arguably the most important thing is to write consistently with your world/setting, and deviate from that only if you have a good reason. I'd like to add that if you are completely defining the setting yourself, it's generally a good idea to include the largest possible scope of experience to sample your demographics from (see lower posts), but again stick to that and sample without bias unless you have a good reason.) -
I don't mind at all by
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It's not an original mantra anyway (I stole it! Hssss!)
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I was not making a judgment on whether or not keeping with the majority demographic was good or bad. Merely remarking that just because someone's main character is Straight White person is not bad in and of itself. It does not mean the writer is racist, subscribes to some kind of provincialism, or what have you. Just merely that it is not inherently bad nor is it inherently good either.
The way I see it is when writing a character you want aspects of two things. First you want to be able to relate at least partially to your character or else it will be truly hard to get into their mind, their motivations, etc. I want to be clear, this does not mean self-inserting yourself as your character. But each character, in my opinion, if well written still contains a part of the author. Be it the author's fears, or dreams, or even the strange verbal tic. The other thing is that you want to have your audience relate to your character, make them care about what happens to him/her, that is what drives conflict and will make the ultimate fate (whatever that may be) hit harder, resound longer, etc. The use of the majority demographic is just a way to do that easily. A truly talented author could make people relate to the character without that, but just because it is easy does not mean it is bad.
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This kind of gets to the crux of the matter. by
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Namely what, really, minority characters are supposed to add to a work? I agree that it's incredibly provincial and a bit condescending to assume that people won't be able to identify with a character unless that character shares whatever element of their demographic makeup. But I also think that minority characters can act as role models that can help convince minority readers that they can be whatever the characters are too.
I never liked diversity for diversity's sake because it implied that there's something fundamentally, irreconcilably different about the minority in question- that they are being given a minority demographic not because they are people who contribute by their character, but because they carry that inextricable "minority-ness".
I want characters in stories to properly reflect the demographic distribution of wherever the world is set (and partially the outside world too), and to treat minority characters just like non-minority characters because it shows that the world created by the author, and the author personally, are not *ist, and saves me from that vaguely queasy feeling I get when I read, say, Lovecraft, and realize the whole thing is subtly suffused with an ideology completely antithetical to my idea of what is even good in the world.
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That is more or less what I was trying to articulate. And I would agree that demographic of the universe the story resides in should be represented. I would not go so far, however, as to say it should reflect the real world's demographics. If it makes sense in the context for it to do so then absolutely, but if it does not, then it really is just another form of diversity for diversity's sake.
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On that last point. by
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In a world that has humans but is not directly related to Earth in any way (like Middle Earth), I do still think it's a good idea to include some or all of the real Earth's demographic makeup because of the extra investment of the author in the worldbuilding process. In that case, the makeup of the world becomes something the author controls and hopefully has reasons for.
Seeing minorities not included in such a world is usually enough to create the suspicion (not confirmation, but enough to bring the uncomfortable feeling back up regardless) that the author didn't include them because the author had some sort of bias against them.
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I understand by
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I think it gets to some of what I have been trying to weave through in all my comments on the topic, and that is the lazy writer. Not diversity can be an indication of a lazy writer, but not necessarily a bad writer. Take a look at for example the Asari from Mass Effect. They are monogendered (and lets be honest they look like and appear biologically like female humans) and unless something is very wrong they are various shade of blue. Now throwing in a red skinned male Asari makes no sense in the universe, and so should not be included. Was Drew Karpyshyn lazy for not including diverse Asari? Possibly, but was he a bad writier? I do not think so. I also think Mass Effect's various awards and success indicate that he was not a bad writer.
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And again, there's a plausible reason for them to be that way other than an *ism. That sort of thing can even help deconstruct our biases- what would a species without sexes, that has developed over most of its history without the concept of males and females, have to say about sexism in humans?
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Again it all goes back to need a reason to do it, and it has to make sense.
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Further Clarification by
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This is the kind of mentality I was talking about: [O]ur instincts are therefore racist, misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, and ableist
Just because someone writes a character that happens to be a White Straight Male who is fully able bodied does not make it wrong. I am saying that might be lazy, but not wrong.
Ultimately it comes down to this. You write for you. If you want to only right about the generic hero that people are accustomed to (like Superman, Luke Skywalker, etc.) you are entitled to do so. One does not need to include a character like Kamala Khan (Current Ms. Marvel) just for diversity's sake. If the author does not with to write a diverse cast that is their write to do so. For example the semi-controversy that surrounded the revelation of the new Thor. Now this is not the best example sense this Thor is actually selling quite well and has been at least accepted throughout parts of the fandom. Though there was a definite uproar when she was first revealed because many people saw it as diversity for diversity's sake.
That is, in my opinion, the bottom line. Diversity is all well and good, but it has to make sense. I think Diversity for Diversity's sake is just another form of lazy. It is saying "Look at me! I have a minority character in a majority role, for no other reason than I'm diverse and forward thinking." A viking raiding party would not have a quadriplegic in it, so unless the author explains it well, and adventuring party should not have one either. It makes no logical sense. Likewise, it would be difficult to explain an African in King Arthur's Court. It can be done. Bernard Cornwell's Sagramore is a shining example of that. He made it make sense that there was a Nubian in King Arthur's time. It was not diversity for diversity's sake. -
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"Progressivism for progressivism's sake must be discouraged."
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The Nightly Show touched on this recently. by
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I do 100% agree that things must make sense, and changes must have a sensible explanation. I don't think that precludes making things more diverse just because you can, though. In the absence of a reason why not, you don't need any particular why.
For instance, there's no reason the god Thor couldn't be female, because deities can manifest differently if they want to, so why not? Loki got pregnant as a male at least once, from what I know of the mythology, so the sky is pretty much the limit. (Marvel's Asgardians might work differently, I don't know, but if you're gonna draw on a certain source, why not draw on all of it, right?)
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That was perhaps not the best example. But Thor in all sources of Norse Mythology to my knowledge always appeared as a man. And not just a man, but kind of what would now be seen as the stereotypical man's man. In the Marvelverse it makes sense. Thor the hero does not exist solely because he is Thor Odinson. Thor exists as a hero because of Mjolnir, which in the Marvelverse is only capable of being wielded by the worthy. The issues arose because in Marvelverse Thor exists both as Thor Odinson (Asgardian) and The Mighty Thor (Hero). Asgardians in the Marvelverse follow standard human biology. They cannot randomly change sex. And people were getting confused that Marvel was making both the Might Thor and Thor Odinson female. Because making a male character female really is not well set up. The hero though makes more sense, as it all comes down to worth.
And frankly the argument is moot at this point, because by and large it seems that most people like the Female Thor. As I believe her comic is outselling Thor Odinson.
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There is, actually, at least one reality where Thor was female and Loki was male and they were lovers. Or something. They touched on it briefly in the Loki miniseries at one point when talking about how, no matter what, in all of the realities, even when Thor was a abstract elemental of lightning and Loki was one of fire, Thor always wins and Loki always loses.
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It's comics, though. by
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In all the gajillion realities implicit in the Marvelverse, it doesn't strike me as at all implausible that at least one of them contains a female Thor. So again, the question becomes "why not?" rather than "why?"
Granted, I don't know whether the female!Thor series is taking place in the same universe that has until now been occupied by male!Thor, but comics reboot things all the time, so I can't bring myself to see that as a problem either.
I'll admit that I keep wondering why they kept the name Thor when in Norse the feminine form would probably be Thora, but I can just imagine the backlash from that. They probably did the right thing by not changing it.
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Main Universe by
on 2015-03-23 19:00:00 UTC
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Female Thor is in Earth-616 or the main Marvelverse. And in the comics there is Thor the Hero and Thor the person. They changed Thor the Hero. Thor the person still exists as just an Asgardian. Mjolnir makes Thor the Hero through worth. Wich is why there was the Beta Ray Bill HorseThor from I think the 80s and now Female Thor. They have not, as far as I know, introduced her alter-ego. Thor was both Thor the Hero and Thor Odinson. All I know about the new Thor is that Thor the Hero is now Female.
What I was getting at is people saw it as diversity for diversity's sake which upset quite a few people, because it was a fundamental change in the Status Quo. Since then however, it seems that it actually makes sense. So it has turned into how to do diversity properly. She isn't there just to have another female hero. She is there as an independent character that makes sense. -
Something I've never understood... by
on 2015-03-23 17:05:00 UTC
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Is this notion that people are incapable of relating to characters who are different from themselves. I understand how it could suck to never see people of your gender/sexuality/race/ability/etc. represented as a hero, but empathy is not limited to these things. Here I am, a woman, and most of my heroes are men. Is this kinda unfortunate at the societal level? Sure. Did it stop me from relating to them? Hell no.
What makes a character relatable is going through struggles that we recognize as analogs for our struggles, having emotional experiences that reflect our emotional experiences, and finding the inner strength to overcome their obstacles, which lets us believe we can overcome our obstacles. The exact nature of the struggle doesn't matter. The journey is what matters. And since that journey takes place entirely in the mind, the externals... I don't want to say they don't matter, because they do, but I'll never understand how they could be any kind of barrier. It just baffles me.
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on 2015-03-23 17:26:00 UTC
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If I was not clear, I was not saying that the majority demographic is the only way to create a relatable character. I was saying that it is an easy and in some cases lazy way to do it. It is applying to the lowest common denominator. There are far better ways to do it than just shooting for the lowest common denominator.
I was more so getting at the idea that it is a tool. And it is how the author chooses to use that tool that determines if it is good or bad. And your point that it should not matter I agree with. As a whole I do not use the majority demographic approach when creating a character. It is better to challenge your abilities than work on what you know. But as a character to make it believable I feel there needs to be a closer nexus between the writer and the character than the audience and the character.
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on 2015-03-23 17:35:00 UTC
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...wouldn't that fall under the article's section 4?
The way I see it, even if you're not part of the Chinese female demographic, it shouldn't forbid you to write that Chinese lady character. As hS said in response to my OP, " 'different'... ain't all that different". -
Possibly by
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I was just using it as an example. And I was not trying to imply that you had to be part of the Chinese Female Demographic to write a female Chinese character. I was saying that for some trying to do that might seem artificial at best, and may even stray into misogyny at worst.
It is more of a talent think. An unskilled writer writing a demographic they do not belong to may come across in a very improper way. That was more or less the point I was trying to make with this set of threads. Again it all goes back to the Majority Demographic is merely a tool. It is how the writer chooses to use it that matters. -
Which way round? by
on 2015-03-23 17:19:00 UTC
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[EvilAI]UBEROverlord seems to be claiming that it takes a 'truly talented author' to make someone of a majority culture relate to a character who isn't. I can't agree with that, frankly.
But the other way round - people of a cultural minority having trouble relating to majority characters - I can somewhat see. Yes, you're right, the externals shouldn't be a barrier - but when every single character you read or see is different from you in the same significant way, I can see you'd get into a 'what's wrong with my sort of person, then?' attitude. Either in a despairing or an angry tone, depending on the thinker. And when that makes every new instance of a 'not-me' character just another brick in the wall of Something Wrong... yeah, that.
(Obviously I say this as a straight white male with money and a house and children and, uh, basically the only ways I've ever not been cultural majority through and through are a) being a geek, and b) being for a time in a small, 'weird' religion. So, y'know, take it with a grain of sodium chloride)
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Not quite what I'm saying by
on 2015-03-23 17:47:00 UTC
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I've overly complicated my original points. What I'm basically saying is that using the Majority Demographic is neither bad nor good. It is a tool. I think it is a tool of a lazy writer, appealing to the lowest common denominator.
Rereading what you said I claim to be saying I realize I really over-complicated things. What I am saying is that a talented author can make anyone relate to their character regardless of majority, minority, etc. What I am saying is an easy way to make character relatable in some capacity is to pander to the lowest common denominator. At a minimum the reader (presumably in the majority) can say, "That character looks sort of like me." Instant relatability. Is that good? Well probably not. At a minimum it shows a risk adverse writer.
I do not personally like that. I enjoy pushing the envelope when I write. Be it a specific character, genre, location, etc. There is a reason my original fiction is sui generis. I switch the genre up every time I write. And even in my fanfiction I do the same. The only active, the term is used loosely, story I am working on at this point in Potterverse stars a (among other things) female American born to French and Russian expats.
And in the event I further over-complicated things, I will try to make this clear at this point. Using a majority character is a tool, nothing more nothing less. It is the idea that one must have diversity for diversity's sake that bothers me. As long as there is both a) a good reason for it, and b) it makes sense. Diverse characters are great. Ultimately what I am saying is A good writer can make anyone relate to their character regardless of the race, gender, orientation, or ability and the use of a majority character is not inherently bad. But it is inherently lazy.
I hope that clarifies what I was trying to say.
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The first. by
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Mostly what I was thinking of is the sort of people who insist that boys are incapable of relating to girl characters, which is insulting all around. Same goes for anyone who might try to insist that straight people can't relate to bi or gay characters, white people can't relate to black characters, etc.
But yeah, fair point re. cultural minorities and the mainstream. I tried to acknowledge that Something Wrong, but may not have succeeded.
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Behind you 100%. by
on 2015-03-23 16:39:00 UTC
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I guess that I forgot a key sentence in my original post-- people take the "write what you know about" rule a little too literally.
I categorically do not condone the lack of diversity in writing. It is, as you said, boring and close-minded. My statistics-based post is an attempt at explaining the "why" and not the "is it right" of the situation. I apologize for any misunderstanding.
I didn't realize that the UK was starting to lean to the far right. It's happening here in Canada too: our current Conservative government is trying to scare people into believing that there are terrorists lurking around every corner and that the only way to beat them is to submit to the Harper-Overlord. His party has been involved in the robocall scandal, doing pointless things such as renaming government buildings that were formerly Liberal to Conservative party members, removing restrictions on gun control, and trying to encourage US-style pride in Canada's military. We're being turned into an annex of the US over here and nobody is complaining! -
I feel ya, man. by
on 2015-03-23 16:03:00 UTC
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Thanet South is my constituency. Here's the front cover of a local magazine (which reminds me, I need to do another column for that...)
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There's also Tish Jameson. by
on 2015-03-23 22:56:00 UTC
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As for my own cast, let's see...
- Jenni Robinson, pansexual white woman who is also a shape-shifting ethereal godlike being in her off-time. She could theoretically look like anything, but she picks her forms to blend in and has spent a lot of time in mainstream fantasy, sooo....
- Supernumerary, let's call him functionally asexual and aromantic. I almost exclusively play it for laughs, though, so I don't know if it counts.
- Ilraen-Aroline-Fothergill, a blue centaur-alien finding himself in a mostly-human society. I kind of think of him as an adopted kid being raised by parents of a different race. Picking which parts of his two peoples to identify with and adopt for himself is part of his arc. Andalites prefer blondes, this is canon.
- Derik is Pernese, and as such I imagine he's pretty mixed going way back, but since he also looks like Gerard Butler he's basically a dark shade of white. Suffers from mental trauma due to the loss of his dragon... maybe sorta-kinda PTSD-like? I dunno. Also straight and a guy.
- Gall is a HtTYD-verse Viking, but I keep wanting to make her more like a real-world Viking. *shrug* Either way, about as white as they come, and I think straight. If not, she hasn't told me yet.
- Nurse Parwill is an agendered white person from Starfleet. Dunno about their sexual preferences.
- Nurse Elms is a straight white gal who can kick your ass with a frying pan.
- Nurse Immac is dark-skinned, though not black-dark, and from somewhere on the Disc, though I have no idea exactly where. Four-ecks, maybe? I doubt she could've survived to adulthood in Ankh-Morpork....
- Nurse Mirrad is a Minbari from the Babylon 5 universe. Minbari sexuality at least sometimes involves three people, IIRC, but I haven't explored that at all.
- Intern Alex is some flavor of Scandinavian, so like Gall, pretty darn white. I guess he's straight?
I think that's everybody. Some types of diversity are easier than others, I guess.
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I have one. by
on 2015-03-23 21:26:00 UTC
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He hasn't admittedly had many appearances yet, but James Pittman is black. Gremlin had a Chinese father and a white mother, although that hasn't really gotten a lot of play due to her also being a metahuman. As for the rest (that have yet been introduced), I've written two white women, one white man, and an artificial intelligence that projects itself as male.
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As for my agents... by
on 2015-03-23 17:27:00 UTC
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Bulldog-- South African.
The Guardsman-- sticks to dark-skinned regenerations.
And not quite black but still not white:
Frédéric De Grasse: full-blood Chinese (Canton region).
Gaspard De Grasse: mixed-race (white-Chinese).
Nasir Beydoun: Arabic (Lebanese).
Penny Chang: anime!Chinese (Beijing municipality).
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I dunno about black agents... by
on 2015-03-23 17:04:00 UTC
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other than the ones people already listed. Oh, and the Notary, but does that count since she's a Time Lord?
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Off the top of my head, by
on 2015-03-23 17:00:00 UTC
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I know Indemaat's Agent Tasmin is black. Um . . . Keily Shinra is Asian, although, like Selene, her author is, too.
Yeah. Lot of white agents. I'm sure there are more non-white ones, but . . . well, I fall into the same trap of defaulting characters to white in my mind. :(
I've been trying to work on this in my spin-off. Doc is me, so he's white, but Vania is at least partly Asian. Séverine is New Caledonian, so of course she's black, and I've decided that Yoof has brown skin under his fur (as opposed to John Candy's brown fur over white skin in his role as Barf in Spaceballs). The kids I recruited from my Epic Mickey mission were initially going to be white, but then I realized since I was going to play with Mollie potentially having "ink powers" from her fic of origin, it made more sense for her to have dark skin anyway. and since she was black, might as well make Ollie black too! -
I've got one by
on 2015-03-23 16:49:00 UTC
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Zee, though he's yet to get a published mission. You'd think after four and a half years with permission I'd have actually finished my first mission, but I keep changing it.
For that matter his current partner, Ecks, is half-Hispanic. Technically half-Mexican, but his family has lived in the States since the 1950s, and he's from the 2070s, and he's never even been to the country now known as Aztlan. -
Well, I have at least one. by
on 2015-03-23 16:10:00 UTC
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Terri Ryan (Dept. of Personnel, DOGA Archivist) is black, despite what the Multiverse Monitor would have you believe (though I think that did get updated in the end). I also have Selene, who's Chinese, but probably doesn't count because she was created by a half-Chinese girl.
I don't know of any others off the top of my head, though I'm sure there's at least some. Bear in mind, though, that most agents are either 'that really cool fantasy/scifi species' or 'me', so there's quite a bit of selection bias in there.
(Oh, wait, yes I do: Architeuthis is black. I don't know whether her author was or not, but I made an arbitrary decision to make her so)
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Well... by
on 2015-03-23 15:18:00 UTC
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It's still very possible for people to write stories that are whiteer and straighter than the United States, and they tend to forget that half the population is also female, but I certainly agree with your point and myself have major problems with the Tumblerverse's focus on "representation".
There's also the fact that a lot of stories aren't set in the United States, and wouldn't have the same demographic distribution to start with- one would think it wouldn't require much, if any, cognitive energy to change the distribution of your characters to match, but time and again one would apparently be proved wrong. -
I concur by
on 2015-03-23 05:18:00 UTC
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Your analysis is spot on. Too many people are too willing to jump to this idea of whitewashing or racism or provincialism or what have you. They often forget the majority demographic. In the United States as you pointed out it is straight white, and even if one were to take Hispanic out it still is majority white.
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Real Person Badfic? by
on 2015-03-23 18:17:00 UTC
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I know that this has probably been brought up before, but I was wondering about your opinions on real person badfic; for instance, it would be harder to tell if people were "in-character", because there isn't really a canon for you to orient yourself based off of, yeah?
But, I mean, obvious out-of-character things would be noticeable, right? Like, in this fic, I can tell that every member of Marianas Trench is pretty out of character, even without having met them in person. [cw for link: self-harm, drugs, eating disorders, food references, reference to p*rging, profanity, alcohol mention, ableist slurs (p**cho, cr*zy), hospitals mention, terrible POV switching].
(I'm not gonna lie, this post was a blatant excuse for me to link to that fic because I've read it more than ten times over.)
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Personally, I won't touch RPF with a ten-foot pole. by
on 2015-03-24 15:01:00 UTC
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I know at least some agents (Trojie and Pads) have sporked RPF before, but that was their choice. Given mine, I prefer to focus on fictional characters.
Also, hi, sorta-newbie! *high-fives* Have some popcorn, just in case you plan on sticking around! -
Almost missed the new guy! by
on 2015-03-24 08:59:00 UTC
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as for my gift... *riffles around in pockets* ah, here you are! The other half of that solid gold rolling pin!
And as for your question, we can't spork Real Person Badfic. Sorry. Or not sorry, given just how nasty that Lovecraft/Orwell story I read was. It made me who I am today. -
Hey, a newbie! *hug* by
on 2015-03-23 20:34:00 UTC
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... Why did I do that?
Anyway. Welcome aBoard! Please accept this... Wait, I think I'm out of Suvian spectrum flavouring.
So, uh, take these Completely Normal Pancakes. And they're homemade! ... Well, I was trying to make eggnog. But still! -
We don't do that any more. by
on 2015-03-23 18:21:00 UTC
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Haven't for a while. Sorry to disappoint.
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Er... since when? by
on 2015-03-24 15:40:00 UTC
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I don't remember that discussion happening... I know the Wiki says 'no longer handled by the PPC', but could someone refresh my memory of how that was decided?
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My recollection... by
on 2015-03-24 15:58:00 UTC
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Or best guess, either way... Is that people felt that writing fanfic about real people—especially the slashy kind, which is mostly what came up around here since it was mostly Trojie doing the missions—is a bit creepy, disrespectful, intrusive, etc. Since we don't PPC other kinds of fic when we don't condone writing it in the first place (e.g. fics in quarantined continua and religious-text fic), it seemed like a bad idea to PPC this kind, too.
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Maybe add it to the banned list as well? (nm) by
on 2015-03-24 16:02:00 UTC
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I wonder... by
on 2015-03-24 16:13:00 UTC
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If it would make sense to make a distinction between writing about real people in their capacity as public figures vs. writing about their private lives. People do the former all the time for the sake of commentary, parody, etc., and that's basically accepted, even when it gets a bit ugly. It's the latter that gets really weird and gross and shouldn't be done, IMO.
Other opinions?
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The one exception I would like to have by
on 2015-03-25 15:43:00 UTC
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is for historical figures doing . . . uh . . . historical stuff. Like, Sara did that one mission that crossed over 300 with the Battle of the Alamo, which involved Davy Crockett. It's a trollfic, so it's not a great representative of Crockett's behavior anyway, but my point is, his presence at the Battle of the Alamo is definitely something we know happened, and can handle that aspect of his life in a mission without questioning whether we got him "wrong." And there's always a chance of encountering AU versions of real people in some canons anyway, so . . . This got long-winded, but basically, it would be nice to do some historical stuff, never mind still-living/recently deceased people.
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But Best President was obvs Herbert Hoover! by
on 2015-03-25 22:00:00 UTC
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((srsly tho i will never understand the antipathy towards hoover everything fdr took credit for during the recovery from the depression was hoover's idea i am prepared to fight yo ass on this))
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Hadn't really heard of that. by
on 2015-03-26 14:47:00 UTC
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But Trust-Buster Teddy is still best pres.
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Bad timing by
on 2015-03-25 23:51:00 UTC
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Hoover happened to be in office when the Great Depression hit. It does not matter what else was done, that alone would make him reviled regardless of anything else he did. I think there is also a question of how much of the recovery was FDR's New Deal and how much of it was World War II, wherein the US's factories were put into overdrive, not to mention the draft. I do not know the full numbers, but I suspect between those two things a great many of the unemployed were reemployed.
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'Washington came first and he was perfect...' by
on 2015-03-26 12:48:00 UTC
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John Adams kept us out of war with France
Jefferson made the Louisiana Purchase
In 1812 James Madison kicked the British in the pants
Jonathan Coulton had fun with this one. ^_^
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In my opinon, no. by
on 2015-03-24 20:02:00 UTC
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The caricaturisation of real people is touchy, and can lead to a lot of fighting over how they would "really" feel and act. It is a touchy subject, one that I would stay far away from.
However, there is one exception for me. If you can somehow manage to get the person involved to help write the mission, then go for it. So, if you want to take down that Danny Sexbang and Ninja Brian slash fic you stumbled upon late at night, you better get Danny to approve it directly. Get an e-mail or something. And, seeing that getting any public figure to help kill a bad fanfic is not very likely, it would basically mean no RPF.
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Real-people fic is just... by
on 2015-03-24 18:34:00 UTC
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I mean, how do you put it eloquently? It's just flat-out creepy when you see these stories about One Direction having an orgy or what have you. Makes me wonder what goes on in the authors' heads. It's one thing to do it to people who (as far as we know) are fictional, quite another to do it to people who exist. -
Newbie? Newbie! *glomp* *poke* by
on 2015-03-23 18:21:00 UTC
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Hello there, and welcome aBoard! As a newbie gift, take this screeching pocket walrus! If the urple bow around its neck becomes too much, feel free to remove it. ;)
As for real-person fic, there's actually quite a few missions dealing with that, if you're interested in how that's been handled in the past.
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So, I just found this fic by
on 2015-03-23 19:02:00 UTC
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I just added it to the unclaimed list because it needs it badly. Whoever ends up tacking this one, beware. -
You know what's really horrifying? by
on 2015-03-24 11:19:00 UTC
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The reviews. The sheer number of people who think that insulting, yelling at, and otherwise flaming somebody is a good thing to do is utterly horrifying.
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Ah, yes, the anonymity of the internet. by
on 2015-03-24 11:57:00 UTC
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*sighs*
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Oh, not that one again... (nm) by
on 2015-03-23 22:51:00 UTC
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Oh glob... by
on 2015-03-23 19:43:00 UTC
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I kinda wanna read this badfic, but I kinda don't want to...
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Oh, no, you should. by
on 2015-03-24 11:14:00 UTC
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It's a hilarious and perfectly-written example of a straight-faced parody. Brilliant stuff. ^_^
No one seemed to take much notice of him. But then the reverend's wife stepped onto the scene. She screamed. She fainted. At the sound of her cry for help, the Reverend Dumbledore came running to the rescue. So many so-called "pro women's rights" people think that Ephesians 5:22-25 is just about wives being submissive. What they don't talk about is that it also tells husbands to sacrifice for their wives. Wow! Does that sound oppressive? When he saw the man who had gotten out of the car, he stopped and gasped and then he shouted, "Stand back, students! This is Voldemort himself!"
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Removed from the Wiki again. by
on 2015-03-23 19:41:00 UTC
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For two reasons.
1/ The previous thread upheld the long-standing view that we shouldn't be PPCing religious fanfic. It's more trouble than it's worth.
2/ Just... go read the last chapter:
Voldemort covered his ears with the discomfort that heathens often find themselves with when they are confronted with the truth; and he shouted loudly to drown out the word of the Lord, "You've been preparing to do this? To scream at me?"
"It is the work of the Lord!" Dumbledore explained accurately.
"Aren't there better ways to spend your time than preaching to a bored idiot who makes fun of people on the internet?" Voldemort questioned hedonistically. "Your Lord seemed to be pretty concerned about helping the people around him. Is that not his work anymore?"
"How can we focus on helping people; when there are people like you trying to destroy us?" Dumbledore countered astutely.
"I told you before, that Reddit account is a joke," Voldemort whined pathetically; but the Reverend shook his head.
"I thought that might be so at first," the Reverend commented fairly. "But it was just too realistic."
"How was it realistic?" Voldemort inquired uninformedly. "It wasn't even subtle! I waxed poetic about the sexiness of neckbeards and said that Christopher Hitchens has superpowers. It was supposed to be funny! How could you take it seriously?"
Dumbledore scoffed; and he replied faithfully, "Like it or not-your little 'joke' is what most atheists today are like."
"So my Reddit account solidified your conception of atheists as a bunch of anti-Christian bigots who are just angry at God?" Voldemort solicited stupidly; and then he sighed. "Okay, you know what, this has gone too far. I'm sure that most people can tell that I'm not being serious, but if I'm contributing to misinformation and stereotypes, I don't feel comfortable continuing this."
Voldemort pulled an iPhone out of his pocket; and he began to type on it. After a few minutes, he showed the screen to Dumbledore. "See this? I just made a post: 'I am a troll.' It is the last post I will make on that account. Are you happy?"
Dumbledore virtuously ignored the heretic; and he turned to the little ones standing behind his protection. "Students of Hogwarts! This fool will not listen to reason. Let's save this heathen's soul!"
Yyyyep. Called it. ^_^ And it was exceptionally well done, too.
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Perhaps we should add this fic somewhere on the Wiki? by
on 2015-03-23 19:46:00 UTC
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Or at least mention fics like it? There's a note about how we don't PPC Bible fics because of their nature; perhaps we should have a line at the bottom with a catch-all "Fics that deal heavily in religion, no matter the continuum, are banned as mission material." or some such?
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It does seem to make sense by
on 2015-03-23 19:49:00 UTC
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To have a page of fics that we aren't allowed to do missions for
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Well, to have a whole page... by
on 2015-03-23 19:50:00 UTC
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would be silly; we could spend years listing all the fics we aren't allowed to mission. Just a sentence saying religious fics are banned would be enough, I'd think.
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Isn't this covered in the Mission Writing Guide? by
on 2015-03-23 19:53:00 UTC
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... Huh. I don't think it is. I confess I'm surprised.
But it certainly could be. Shall I?
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Ah, it's in the Guide to the PPC, that's why. by
on 2015-03-23 19:57:00 UTC
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Still, can't hurt to cover it on the page that specifically talks about missions, too.
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Go ahead, Wiki Queen! (nm) by
on 2015-03-23 19:54:00 UTC
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Subsection added! by
on 2015-03-23 20:38:00 UTC
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Here, for general perusal.
I don't like that it's kinda buried in the middle of the section, but it seemed like the best place to slot it in thematically.
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Also, I'd suggest not putting that on the Unclaimed list. by
on 2015-03-23 19:39:00 UTC
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The Board agreed a while back that it's so religious in nature it'd be nigh-impossible to mission without offending somebody. Kind of like Bible fanfic missions.
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I see your point by
on 2015-03-23 19:41:00 UTC
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Sorry about this everyone.
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Now that I read the summary, by
on 2015-03-23 19:26:00 UTC
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I almost think I remember someone actually trying to publish that properly. I think there was a lawsuit involved, which may be why there is a fanfiction version of it. I may be making up the lawsuit thing though. Though I swear that sounds familiar.
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Oh, for Arceus's sake... by
on 2015-03-23 19:08:00 UTC
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I believe we've already talked about that particular fic before.
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Now that two of you have done this... by
on 2015-03-23 19:26:00 UTC
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... can we stop with the 'person who gets told not to make repetitive posts jumps on the next person to do it' thing? Thanks.
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That thread was such a long time ago... by
on 2015-03-23 19:19:00 UTC
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I mean, you can't expect a guy who's shown up just recently to know about it.
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Well Im kinda new here by
on 2015-03-23 19:15:00 UTC
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So you cant really expect me to be aware of everything that has ever been posted on the board
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Harry Potter fanfic: Tears of an Angel by
on 2015-03-23 20:23:00 UTC
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So. Yeah...
Thoughts?
If no one has laid claim, my Agent is rather ready to get back out on the field.
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Looks missionable to me. by
on 2015-03-23 21:08:00 UTC
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It doesn't seem so bad at first, but then the questions start raising their ugly heads. Why, if Rose's family has a tradition of being Gryffindors and her parents were members of the Order of the Phoenix, are they friends with the Malfoys? Since when was Draco ever "sensitive," and how exactly is it "their time at Hogwarts" that has changed him and not, say, the influence of his Death Eater father and their Death Eater friends? Why the heck is Rose allowed anywhere near Grimmauld Place when Harry, Ron, and Hermione were only barely tolerated? I know what Nargles are, but what's a Nargel? Why must the title remind me of Jaycacia Thornbyrd?
... Yeah, have at it, I say.
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You're right. by
on 2015-03-23 21:10:00 UTC
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Definitely not the most offensible material out there, but I'm rather rusty, so I need something to dig into. She seems to fit the bill enough; especially considering how much character revisionism she does.
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I still like how we always assume by
on 2015-03-23 21:46:00 UTC
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that these bad Mary Sue fanfics are written by girls :P
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Is it really an assumption? by
on 2015-03-23 22:27:00 UTC
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I mean, in my experience, the vast majority of Mary Sues are written by female authors. I'm sure you can find some that aren't, but when I hear hoofbeats, I tend to think horses, not zebras. Doesn't Occam's Razor apply here? Where's the line between an assumption and an educated guess?
Just to be clear, this is meant as philosophical thinking aloud, not a demand for answers. {= )
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You get a gold star by
on 2015-03-23 22:43:00 UTC
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for the most excessive and technical analysis of the word "assume" that I've ever heard.
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Welcome to the PPC. by
on 2015-03-23 23:03:00 UTC
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If excessive and technical analysis of words isn't your thing, you are so in the wrong community. ^_~
(Plus, that wasn't even an analysis. If you want that, I'll have to go study the etymology of the word for a while.)
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Ooh, ooh, pick me! by
on 2015-03-23 23:11:00 UTC
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*clears throat*
Assume: from the Latin words ad (toward) and sumere (to take).
Its first appearance in English was in the fifteenth century in the form of the Middle English word assumpten, in regards to the assumption of the Virgin Mary.
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I demand an Analysis by
on 2015-03-23 23:08:00 UTC
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That is your homework for the evening. Bring me a two page paper on the word "assume"
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Aw, crud. by
on 2015-03-23 23:13:00 UTC
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I'm too
lazyold to have homework. Can I give you a bunch of links instead? I've actually already got this one open. I was curious. >.>
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Fine by
on 2015-03-23 23:17:00 UTC
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But you won't get any extra credit on the next assignment.
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To be fair... by
on 2015-03-23 22:26:00 UTC
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It's a common stereotype that most fanfiction writers are girls. And these Sues usually tend to be self-inserts, so...
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Not truuuuuue by
on 2015-03-23 21:51:00 UTC
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I did some dredging of the author's bio and found her blog. Most definitely of the feminine sort.
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I just looked now as well by
on 2015-03-23 21:54:00 UTC
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It says she is 17, and if I am really agist, that would mean I am agist against myself, since I'm also 17. Maybe it's just another part of my own self loathing ;-;
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Hey, nothing wrong with being seventeen. by
on 2015-03-23 22:04:00 UTC
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*points to self, then realizes who she's talking about*
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on 2015-03-24 10:43:00 UTC
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There's an -ist for age now?! Man, I'm only 20 (nearly 21) and I'm already feeling old.
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It's mostly in regards to old people. by
on 2015-03-24 10:49:00 UTC
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Here we go, Wikipedia, the bane of teachers and the love of just about anyone looking for information!
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Ironic. by
on 2015-03-24 23:00:00 UTC
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This word is apparently older than me by a good 23 years...
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Why is it that almost every Harry Potter MS is named Rose? by
on 2015-03-23 20:46:00 UTC
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Anyway, from what I just read, I've defiantly seen worse, but it looks like it would make a good mission.
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Because flower names are pretty. by
on 2015-03-24 00:56:00 UTC
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And it's keeping a theme of sorts... Harry's mother was Lily, his aunt was Petunia, so Rose is another in the list of flower names for the family.
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Why couldn't they chose Tulip? by
on 2015-03-24 02:30:00 UTC
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Or Violet. They could also use Amaranth, Azalea, Daisy, Holly, Iris, Jasmine, etc.
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More flower/plant names! by
on 2015-03-24 05:21:00 UTC
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Because why not? I like plant names. Shush. >.>
Acacia (hello, agent!)
Angelica
Aspen
Basil
Belladonna
Burdock
Carnation
Cassia
Chamomile
Chestnut
Chicory
Clary (I used this one for a halfling D&D character once)
Clove
Clover
Columbine
Crocus
Cyperus/Cypress/Cyprus
Dahlia
Damiana
Dandelion
Daphne
Dill
Dittany
Dock
Durian (For all that's holy, don't name your character this unless you're being intentionally cruel! {X D )
Echinacea
Eglantine (bonus points if you remember Mrs. Price from Bedknobs & Broomsticks)
Ephedra
Eugenia
Fern
Forsythia
Foxglove (hello, 'nother agent!)
Gardenia
Gentian
Geranium
Germander
Ginger (hello, yet another agent!)
Hawthorn
Hazel
Heather
Hemlock
Henna
Hibiscus
Honeysuckle ("Honeysuckle Weeks" is the real name of a real actress; she plays Sam in Foyle's War)
Hyacinth
Ivy
Juniper
Laburnum (gosh, we do have a few flower-named agents, don't we?)
Laurel
Lilac
Linden
Lobelia
Lucerne
Lupin
Magnolia
Marigold
Marjoram
Melilot
Melissa
Mignonette
Mimosa
Nigella
Olive
Orchid
Peony
Primrose (it's still got "rose" in it, though)
Privet (haha, I dare you)
Prunella
Rowan
Rue
Saffron
Sage
Sorrel
Tansy
Thistle
Valerian
Vervain
Willow
Yarrow
And that's just what I can come up with looking through the index of my herbs book, and a few off the top of my head, leaving out anything I know already belongs to a character in the Potterverse. Some of 'em could even work for a male character.
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Because it sounds too much like 'Two-Lip'? by
on 2015-03-24 03:18:00 UTC
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Chrysanthemum is a nice name, and easily shortened to Chrystie.
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Is it Ebony? by
on 2015-03-24 03:26:00 UTC
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Not Eboby or Enoby or Ebory? And I don't think it is all that original. I mean the "relationship" between Tara/Raven is almost a ripoff of the Tara/Raven relationship from Teen Titans Animated Universe. At least that's what I thought when I read bits of it.
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Her name is Rose? KILL IT WITH FIRE! by
on 2015-03-23 20:33:00 UTC
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No it's not like I'm biased
Ugh, that title makes me want to retch.
Just in the first chapter she has her OC house-elves acting OOC; they don't say 'milady', they say 'miss' or 'mistress'.
But who is this chick and why is Harry staying at her house and not the Weasleys'? What is this what is going on aaargh! -
Rose? Rose?! Exterminate! Exterminate! (nm) by
on 2015-03-23 21:43:00 UTC
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EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! (nm) by
on 2015-03-23 22:53:00 UTC
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EX-TER-MINATE? by
on 2015-03-23 23:13:00 UTC
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TOLERATE! by
on 2015-03-23 23:14:00 UTC
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That is not Dalek! Exterminate! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! (nm) by
on 2015-03-23 23:26:00 UTC
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*grins deviously* by
on 2015-03-23 23:45:00 UTC
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GLUE FACTORY! GLUE FACTORY! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! (nm) by
on 2015-03-24 03:12:00 UTC
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Oh MLP fandom. Never change. by
on 2015-03-23 23:25:00 UTC
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No matter what we do by
on 2015-03-24 00:04:00 UTC
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It always comes back to My Little Pony.
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Oh my god. by
on 2015-03-23 23:26:00 UTC
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*tears up when she sees pony!Rose*
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Aw, there, there. by
on 2015-03-24 10:50:00 UTC
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There's no reason to cry. In this world, she is still traveling with the Doctor. See, look! It's canon! So, nothing to be sad about.
You know... SPOILERS FOR SEASON FIVE
I am really looking forward to what they do in the 100th episode. They have said that Dr. Whooves would become even more canon (though not full canon, as the BBC has not given permission) and join in antics with other background ponies. I hope for the best in that episode. -
Words cannot describe how happy I am. (nm) by
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Permission Request! by
on 2015-03-24 01:09:00 UTC
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Here it goes!
I feel myself ready to take this grand undertaking and protect the Word Worlds of the Sue-threat! -
You Actually Did Really Well by
on 2015-03-24 21:44:00 UTC
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As Iximaz pointed out, your main issue is a technical one. It's much harder to change the way you write than it is to proofread a few more times. Good luck working toward your next try.
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I could help iron out some technical errors for next time... by
on 2015-03-24 02:55:00 UTC
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If you like. My email is iomccoy(at)me(dot)com.
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*puts on hat* by
on 2015-03-24 01:59:00 UTC
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Okay, let's take a looksee.
Activity: Well, you've definitely been active around here, and you've been a pretty enthusiastic participant on the Board, so no problems there.
Fic to Spork: Wow, that's quite... quite the fic. I think that could make for a good mission.
PPC Knowledge: From what I've seen (which isn't much, unfortunately), you seem to know what's what, but... Where did this Danger Room come from? What are these sphere things Solvig is fighting? It seems to take place in HQ since she goes to see the Marquis when she's done, but the location itself I don't recognize. If you want to introduce this later as some sort of training location for agents, that could potentially be doable. I'll go ahead and say... you're good to go here.
Characters: An ex-agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. and a Supergirl clone? Based on the rivalry between Marvel/DC, you've already set up for some interesting rivalry between the agents. I like the concept of someone whose base nature is fighting her agent training paired with someone who has no concept of "look before you leap". You set up a nice potential dynamic for them.
I remember the thread from a while ago where you asked the Board to help you with Solvig in terms of how overpowered she was, and it's nice to see you've taken the advice on characterization as well.
Writing Ability (Creative): The prompts were interesting to read and I feel like I got a good feel for your agents, so good stuff.
Writing Ability (Technical): Here's where I'm hesitant, and quite a bit. Your spelling is overall fine, though you have a few typos here and there that could have been caught with some more thorough proof reading.
Your punctuation and grammar, though... Well, let's look at an example.
"That is not all, give me that.” the Swedish psychiatrist said while she signaled Solvig to give her the sphere, who promptly gave it. “See these chipped areas on the top of the sphere?” the blonde continued while pointing at said chipped areas, “these were caused by debris from the robots destroyed by you. You must learn to limit your collateral damage.”
You have a tendency to use improper punctuation and capitalization when it comes to starting and ending dialogue. I've also noticed quite a few run-on sentences. Not only that, but you neglected to capitalize some proper nouns ("japanese-american" comes to mind), and you have some sentences where words seem to have been dropped, or you've used a very odd word choice (Solvig moved herself to Yuna’s side, and neared her face to a few centimeters away from her partner’s face).
I see you had help from SkarmorySilver in terms of beta reading, but from the sheer number of technical errors, I find it a bit hard to believe.
I'm really sorry, but I'm going to have to say no. Everything else looks great, so just really focus on cleaning up the technical aspect of your writing and I think you'll be fine next time you ask. -
Oh, yes, yes! Me forgot! by
on 2015-03-25 04:29:00 UTC
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That Danger Room is essentially a Mandalorian Iron-covered Blast Chamber from the Department of Sufficiently Advanced Technology, Testing and Application Division (the ones that are normally used for lightsaber training [I don´t remember in which part of the wiki I got that information]); that was modified with Hard Light construct generators, like the original Danger Room from the various X-Men continua.
And the sphere, is just that, a normal glass sphere, that in this case is used for Super Strength training. (Where did you get the idea that she was fighting it? O,o)
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Common mistakes in writing? by
on 2015-03-24 01:53:00 UTC
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More specifically, writing a character. What would you say is the most common mistake young authors make in writing a character?
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It's a matter of balance by
on 2015-03-24 08:44:00 UTC
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When I create a character, I look at characters I like. I ask myself the following questions after doing so:
"can this person fit here?"
"how do they react by fitting here?"
Then I look at their past: "what was one major event in their past, and how do they look if it turns out differently?"
And finally: "what can I give this person from my self, without making them a self-insert?"
These steps are not followed properly in the case of a new writer, who often fails to create a character who fits in with the setting, and instead makes a character that does not fit at all. For instance, let's say I write a COD fanfic. If my OC is from the future, is Tony Stark's niece, and is sooo badass that they can floor Soap? Does not fit.
Another thing that is often tossed aside is consideration for a character's place in a story. A character is there to interact with the world. It doesn't matter how good your characters are if you spend so little time on the background and the setting that you can't tell one city from another. If there even are cities, it might just be "generic location" which is very, very bad. -
These are great tips! by
on 2015-03-24 22:35:00 UTC
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You want your character to be original and creative, but they can't stick out too much.
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A slight word of caution by
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I would be careful picking a character you like, because if one is not careful there is a chance they may just end up as you could end up with a Captain Ersatz or Expy of said character. Even if you do not intend to do it, your subconscious may do it for you.
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Indeed. by
on 2015-03-24 22:52:00 UTC
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Don't want any unintentional crossovers. Making a character from complete scratch is the best way to go.
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Aside from the self-insert thing... by
on 2015-03-24 03:32:00 UTC
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(which I'll get to in a moment), I think one of the biggest mistakes is being too nice or too mean to a character. Either they get all the things in life handed to them on a platter for no reason, or every bad thing to ever happen ever, again for no reason. You gotta strike a happy balance, which can vary depending on the setting— after all, (modern) fairy tale characters tend to get the 'happily ever after' more often than dystopian characters for a reason— and make your characters deserve/earn their punishments and rewards.
As for self-inserts, they can be done well, but the best-done SIs are the ones that are most representative of the author, not an idealized version.
Lemme drag one of my childhood make-believe selves out for a moment. She was shy, quiet, and liked to read, and was a little bit lazy, which is all fine and dandy until you also take into account that she looked human except for her yellow, slit-pupiled eyes, black leathery wings, spiky black tail, and ability to breathe fire. Did I mention she was half-Hungarian Horntail and hatched from an egg, and Charlie Weasley brought her home as a baby where she was raised as Ron's twin sister? ...I had weird fantasies as a kid.
Yeah, no. Don't go the 'ideal you' route. It hardly ever, if at all, ends well.
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Thanks for sharing! by
on 2015-03-24 03:45:00 UTC
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This is great advice for beginning writers. :D
Life can be great and it can be soul-crushing, but everybody has their good and bad moments! Don't make your character's life too perfect or too depressing.
I personally think that normal people flung into crazy worlds are the most interesting stories. And I'm not talking about that "omg u have hidden powers!!1" stuff.
Compared to most self-inserts I've seen, that's not actually that bad. The only thing that gets me is that she's half-Hungarian Horntail and Ron's twin sister. Which one of her parents was drunk?
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Oh, hm by
on 2015-03-24 02:50:00 UTC
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Probably making a character where the starting point and main aspect is the powers, or how cool they are, instead of the personality and suchlike!
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I know! by
on 2015-03-24 03:16:00 UTC
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Starting with the powers is a bad, bad idea. I've seen it a lot, and the character ends up being pretty shallow in terms of development. Make your character, and then embellish with powers and talents that fit.
Although, what I'd really like to see is a story about a character who's powers are totally different from their personality and they have to come to terms w/it. That would be cool.
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In my opinion by
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I would say first and foremost putting too much of oneself in the character. A character should be a part of you, but not a thinly veiled you. This by its very nature leads itself to characters that if not outright Sues are certainly Sueish. But on a related not, too flawed is another very common one.
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Agreed! by
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OCs are often based off their creators, whether intentionally or not. Often sues are simply "better" versions of their creators, which is a little sad. A character can be a hero even if they don't have any powers and talents!
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It is sad by
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Especially since it really does not take too much effort to make a character truly original. Then again I may be over simplifying it. I personally do not have a lot of difficulty with the characters, at least not anymore. Early on that was not the case. As it was my first attempt at organized writing was a fanfic I wrote 11 or so years ago. It probably borders, if not strays into, badfic territory. The OC I created for that was basically a self-insert with Force Powers and certainly Sueish.
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We've all had that one character... by
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My first attempt was in kindergarten.
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True enough by
on 2015-03-24 03:27:00 UTC
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I cannot even look at the first page of that fic without wanting to grab something sharp and pointy. Though I do not know if it is really that bad or I'm just overly critical of it.
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reminds me of my first "real" writing attempt by
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It involved chainsaws, and the lead character literally bled testosterone. Fortunately, I went back, and corrected it so that it is now a parody stufic. If I find it, I'll gladly post it. I'm sure we all have badfic in our closets that might be fun to read dramatically. You going to post your badfic, or not? Cause I kind of want to read it now.
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Mine is still in existence by
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You can find it over on the Pit. I already posted a link for it on an earlier thread, though that is no longer first page. I do not know if it is sporkable bad, but it is bad. The reason is I cannot tell how bad it really is. Because I know what I have done since then, so by comparison it looks bad. I'll post it again because I am still curious to see how bad it really is. IF I recall it basically featured a Young Teen Super Jedi, a bad three way crossover that makes little to no sense. And more than a few cannons out of character. And badly. It is a Code Lyoko/Star Wars/Star Trek Crossover
If it is legitimately a badfic, and its not just me being my own harshest critic, I am going go ahead and call dibs on that one.
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Same here... by
on 2015-03-24 03:38:00 UTC
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After all, we're most critical of ourselves! I mean, seriously, she could talk to birds and oh god my stomach I have to go
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Attention Newbies! (Workshop Promotion) by
on 2015-03-24 13:17:00 UTC
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The Mission Pre-Writing Workshop will soon drop off the first page, and I have not yet seen any real responses there.
Maybe you are not aware that there is no Permission required?
I have done the exercises for all previous workshops, and I don’t even intend to ask for Permission soon. If you have a vague concept of your future agents, there is an opportunity to show what you would do if you had Permission, and to get some feedback on it. Some of you may not even have to go through the trouble of finding a badfic, because you came here with something in mind.
If you want to see what Boarders did for the previous workshops, it’s all still there:
Workshop 1: Characters
Workshop 2: Speech
Workshop 3: Beta Readers and Editing
I’m still intending to finish the exercises for Workshop 4A (I’m just quite busy these days), and I still hope to learn from other contributions.
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I'll try them when I have the time! (nm) by
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Thanks for the promo (also, QUESTION FOR EVERYONE). by
on 2015-03-24 20:35:00 UTC
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I appreciate what you're trying to do and I'm glad you're getting so much out of the workshops. I'm not going to lie: the lackluster response to 4A had me in sort of a funk. Still kinda does.
That's why I need to ask the community at large: are you all getting anything out of these workshops? Are they helpful? Are they even being read? Because if the answer to those questions is "no," I'd like to be made aware of that.
If nobody cares about these, I'll stop writing them. I can take the time I would have spent on the workshops and put it towards writing new stories or coming up with more entertaining community activities. Being lectured at through the internet probably isn't the most entertaining way to spend a day. I just don't want to make these workshops and have them not be useful.
I've always believed in being honest, so please tell me. Do you not have time to read them? Are the challenges boring? Are the tips unhelpful? Do you find my acting as some kind of expert arrogant? You're not going to hurt my feelings. I would rather have dismissal than apathy.
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If you are still reading these... by
on 2015-03-29 00:24:00 UTC
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I have read your workshops, and saved them onto my computer, so I can access them whenever.
In particular, the first two about agent building and speech I found greatly useful. The Challenge at the bottom helped me get a lot of scenarios in with Doom/Gloom, and workout some details I did not think of at first with her.
The mission writing one you made, as well as the on HG posted I am utilizing right now, actually. Me and Miah have a perfect fic picked out (for DBSing, anyway) and are taking that approach.
While I am not sure my older methods for ficbits (3 yearsish ago), and such, my current style is copying the fic to google Docs, then leaving a comment over every line that sticks out for any reason to highlight the important bits. After that I think on why it sticks out, and write in what I want to comment on it, and which agent would be best to point out the uncanon bit, or how bad something is. After that I try the wisecracks, and looking for those fun, FUN lines that cause silly things to appear via literalness.
A bit late to reply to all of them, but thank you either way for them! I'll be sure to save the list for the next mission, if you would like to see it, and also so I can refer to it for the next fic, and so on. -
Well, I never actually caught the first two, but... by
on 2015-03-27 03:59:00 UTC
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...the third one actually helped me create an agent. I think I might have already had a bit of an idea for her, but your workshop helped me develop her a lot more, to the point where I have many character notes, a bit of a character study, and most of the set-up for a short mission. Apart from that, they're just plain interesting; I read 4A, and will probably test out the techniques you mentioned at some point.
Also, no, you don't sound arrogant. You tend to bring up things I haven't considered, actually, and that's definitely interesting. So yeah, thanks. I'm going to have a look at the first two now.
You can do what you like, of course, but I'm pretty sure I've benefited from the two workshops I've read. I just...don't always have time to comment before, say, the thread drops off the front page. No apathy here.
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Oh, wait, my mistake. by
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I actually have seen all of them! And it's not the third one that helped me create an agent, it's the first one. As I remember, I read through the other two--I know for sure that the third caught me while I was finishing an intensive language program, so there's no way I did anything more than read it--and thought they were interesting. I've generally been thinking it's cool that you're doing these.
Actually, now I want another look at the one on language/dialogue...
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My Homework, Part 2. by
on 2015-03-26 21:57:00 UTC
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PoorCynic, I'm aware that this is still not what you expect. I post it here before this thread falls off the page again, so that somebody may learn from it. I hope I can finish this and post Part 3 within some more days.(Note: if this weren't for the workshop, my notes would be much shorter and probably incomprehensible for anybody but me.)
I skimmed through some of the stories on the unclaimed badfic list for reasons.
Selecting a fic just for its shortness may not be the best idea, but I cannot drag this out over months, so here is my pre-writing process for Rose’s Visit.
Caution! I will try to keep this family friendly, but the source is rated M, and we may need to talk about trivialization of sex, violence, murder and child abuse.
When I skimmed it, I noticed (from the top of my head)
- Harmonian theory, which shouldn’t infuriate me when it’s based on canon evidence
- Time travel
- Character bashing
- A wrong birth-date for Rose Weasley, which may be something to work with, and is the reason why this fic, that looks quite unmissionable on first glance, went onto the list of four fics I decided to explore further.
The first real read through (no notes taken) confirmed all my suspicions and revealed some additional problems. Short look on the questions for reading as a reader:
- What works? As far as I remember: nothing.
- What doesn’t? Everything, but specifically basing Harmony on blatant lies about canon and throwing Ron and Hermione out of character to "proof" how bad their marriage will be. Also, unexplained time travel.
- Are there any scenes that boggle your mind with how bad they are? Possibly Hermione "explaining" to Harry what love is, making him realize that he loves her. But the rest is so bad as well that it doesn’t really stick out.
- How are the original characters, if there are any? Technically, there aren’t any, but I’m sure that Rose is a Replacement. And she certainly sounds more like a whiny Harmonian still mourning her defeat in the shipping wars and complaining about everything that sucks in the sixth and seventh book than like what she is supposed to be in the fic.
Now going to read it again, taking notes.
Outlines and Notes, first draft
(Since there are no chapters, I’m breaking this up by paragraphs or blocks of paragraphs.)
(1)
After the battle of Hogwarts, mourning in the Great Hall. Half-sentence flashback to Hermione kissing Ron, then scene shift to Harry lying on his bed.
- I’m not sure how much this will throw the agents around until they realize that this just establishes Harry’s POV and we have seen his thoughts about the situation. If it cannot be played for laughs, they may prefer to enter the fic at the second paragraph.
(2 – 5)
Harry and Hermione had left the Great Hall and went to their respective dormitories, but they cannot sleep, so Hermione visits Harry and occupies Ron’s bed. They chat for a while. Just before they doze off, an old woman appears in a bright silver light.
- Hermione should be in the Great Hall with the Weasleys. [Check DH, but I’m quite sure.]
- H. and H. cannot see the agents arriving, but since "Rose" is a Sue, the agents should hide before she appears. Under a bed across the room from Harry and Ron’s beds? Dean’s bed, identified by the Westham United poster?
(6 – 9)
The Sue identifies as 143 years old Rose Weasley and claims that she used Hermione’s "notes to get back" in time because she wanted to talk to her parents.
- No idea what this means. Did Hermione leave her daughter notes about time travel?
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Rose-Sue begins with the Weasley-bashing and claims that Harry is her father. She talks in breathless run-on sentences, and this spills over to the narrative.
- [Reread check: was the narrative this way from the start?]
- How does this affect the agents?
- Also, a misspelled Horcrux’s (meant to be plural) may give them something to do while they hide under the bed.
(17 – 18) I have to quote this:
Harry and Hermione turned to look at each other; nodded and then turned back to listen to what Rose had to say.
"Can you please keep in mind what you just did, that talking with out words..."
- Does she imply that Harry and Hermione did this in canon all the time, and that this is a sign of their true love? I thought I know my canon, but I don’t remember a single incident where this happened. (I do remember a scene in the third book where it happened with Harry and Ginny!) Unfortunately the Sue doesn’t quote canon lines I could argue with. Must I now reread the entire seven books to see whether she may have a point somewhere, or can I just charge her with blatantly lying about canon and be right because she doesn’t defend her position?
(18 – 19)
Rose-Sue claims that Harry, after seeing Hermione kissing Ron, was so devastated that he intended to commit suicide by Voldemort, because "he had no more reason to fight", and somehow she holds the Dursleys responsible for this, because Hermione of all people was too stupid and too un-empathic to understand how badly living with the Dursleys had affected Harry.
- Canon check: Harry’s thought’s while he walked to his sacrifice. Agent Hieronymus would love to quote them at the Sue, if he finds the time to do it.
- Is this the place to joke about this version of Hermione having the emotional range of a tea spoon? [check exact quote]
(20 – 21)
Rose-Sue claims that Harry doesn’t know how to show love, and that what he feels for Hermione is love, and that he couldn’t stand being touched by people, except Hermione, whose hand he hold every night while she was petrified.
- This didn’t happen in CS, so she is blatantly lying about canon. [Canon check: Did Harry touch petrified Hermione once, when he took the piece of parchment out of her hand, or was this Ron?]
(22)
Rose-Sue is foretelling the future now. "In the not to distant future" Rose will be conceived when Hermione and Harry will realise their "real true love" and promptly have sex. Hermione wrote about it in her journals, but she didn’t reveal what caused the big realisation. Harry asked Hermione to marry him. Also, Harry never asked Ginny, somehow she just pushed him into marriage.
- Canon check: how old is Rose in the epilogue. I’m sure she should be conceived several years after the battle of Hogwarts. Since this doesn’t qualify as not too distant future, Rose-Sue certainly isn’t the canonical Rose.
- Obviously Stupid!Hermione didn’t consider that Ron might read her journal and find out that she slept with Harry. But aren’t you supposed to put your thoughts into your diary, not just a plain description of the day’s events? Why didn’t she say anything about how she and Harry realised their "real true love"? (Because Rose-Sue has no imagination and just wanted it to happen, but that’s beside the point.)
- Since we already established that Rose-Sue lies, I suppose that Hermione’s journals say actually nothing about the big realisation, because it will not happen. But since Rose-Sue exists, something must have happened, so the secret that Hermione doesn’t reveal in her journal is probably that she and Harry had sex and Harry asked her to marry him just because a time traveller had told them that this had to happen because it had already happened.
- Also, I have some problems with tenses in these notes. We may need a Time-Lord to sort this out.
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Further foretelling the future, Hermione, following a misguided sense of loyalty and obligation, will disregard her newly discovered "real true love" and marry Ron anyway, because she already promised and doesn’t want to hurt the Weasleys’ feelings.
- Being a Gryffindor, Hermione should actually be guided by honour (she’s a sort of knight, right?), and her sense of honour might misguide her in a Victorian way. But I can’t blame her for being stupid here. A time traveller told her that she will marry Ron because it already happened in the future, and Hermione is not as stupid as to temper with history. (Time-Lords, help me!)
(24 – 25)
Only days after Rose-Sue is born, Ron will start to beat his wife. Twenty years in the future, the Weasleys will do nothing to stop Ron when he beats his wife to death, because, as Molly says it, she’s "just a mudblood and therefore [...] must deserve it". Harry will try to rescue Hermione and will be stabbed by Rose’s evil half-brother Hugo. The Weasleys will make up a story about Harry and Hermione killing each other.
- Is Ron’s wife really Hermione? Why doesn’t she hex him to Tibet? Or at least grab her baby and run away? Oh, I forgot, a time traveller told her that she cannot run away, because then the time traveller’s trajeck past will never have happened.
- Isn’t it telling that this starts as soon as the Sue has forced her way into existence, and is now able to warp everybody out of character?
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Ginny plans to inherit all of Harry’s wealth and not share it with her kids, so she will cast a sterility charm on Harry before she sleeps with him, and when he is dead, she will send her children, who aren’t Harrys kids, off to their respective fathers.
- I don’t understand why Ginny even has kids. Why didn’t she cast a sterility charm on herself?
- Maybe she feared that Harry would want a divorce when she couldn’t give birth.
- But these kids will still inherit her wealth when she dies. Doesn’t she fear that they, having grown up in such a terrible family, will become evil and try to inherit early?
- Am I already writing dialogue for my agents?
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Rose-Sue brags about how she crossed the Weasleys’ evil plans as soon as she was of age. Presenting evidence that she is a Potter, and memories of the murders, she had the Weasleys arrested, got the Potter inheritance plus all other Knuts Ginny possessed, burned down the Burrow, and was probably somehow responsible for Hugo being found dead in his cell. Just as an afterthought in midst of this raging revenge, she remembers that she was abused ever since her mother’s death, starting when she was twelve and a half years old.
- I hope Evil!Ron had read Stupid!Hermione’s journal and knew that the didn't – no, scratch this, I'm not going there.
- Although it’s a good description of the Sue’s hate-full character, I will try to gloss over this section, conveniently ignoring all implications that the Sue was not already of age twenty years in the future, and was actually born about seven years after the Battle of Hogwarts.
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As soon as Rose-Sue has stopped babbling, Harry asks Hermione how one knows that they are in love. Hermione shortly contemplates "to interrogate him later about his treatment at the Dursleys", and, anticipating to hear about terrible experiences, to pay them a revengeful visit, but then makes Harry answer some other questions.
- Really? This is their reaction to the bloody story they just heard? They show no empathy for their abused child?
- It seems unbelievable that Hermione is so clueless about Harry’s family, but since I don’t remember when exactly in canon Harry told her about his experiences with the Dursleys, he may only have told Ron. [Further research required. Reread at least Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone?]
(34 – 41)
In an awkward dialogue, Hermione makes Harry confess that she is the first person he thinks about in the morning, and the last person he thinks about in the evening, and the person whose happiness is more important than his own, and for whom he would die without hesitation.
- How often were we present when Harry woke up or went to sleep, read his thoughts and didn’t see any of these?
(42)
Actually, Harry believes that he did already show Hermione that he would die for her without any hesitation.
- Now Agent Hieronymus would like to quote Harry's thoughts from DH 34 to him. He didn't die solely for Hermione, and she didn't even take the first place.
(43 – 44)
Then Hermione and Harry begin to make out, and Rose-Sue tells them to "save all the sex stuff until three months today at eight thirty in the evening please".
- So realizing your "real true love" doesn't require immediate sexual activity, and this is all about doing it at the right time so that the Sue will be conceived! She is clearly only there to ensure her own existence by talking Hermione and Harry into having sex at the right time.
- Unconventional assassination method: Just neuralyze Hermione and Harry when this is over. If they don’t remember when they should do it, and that they should do it at all, Rose-Sue will never exist, thus being proactively assassinated.
- But when do we read the charge list? And I'm not sure whether the neuralyzer even works at Hogwarts. (This shouldn't be too easy.)
- Ha! Confirmation that she is conceived three months after the Battle of Hogwarts. Since somebody conceived six years before they were born obviously cannot exit, Agent Hieronymus may be able to talk her out of existence. After all, the sharp sword of reason is his preferred weapon.
- But I intended to gloss over the section that confirms the late birth date.
- I know that we shouldn't interact with canons, but maybe Hermione and Ron can just be talked out of following the time travellers advice by some random people who don't mention the PPC. Is it also possible to convince them that they should never mention this encounter? At least Hermione understands how dangerous timey-wimey stuff is, and Harry will listen to her. Pretend to be Unspeakables from the DOM's time branch?
(45 – 49)
Since the Weasleys and the Dursleys weren't enough, Rose-Sue now bashes Dumbledore and Snape and the names of Harry's sons. Then she realizes that she is at "the turning point", implies that Hermione didn't get her parents back from Australia, and vanishes.
- Now I understand Harry and Hermione's non-reaction to Rose-Sue's story. It's the Suefluence. She is on a strict schedule and had to rush this to make all her points before her time is over and she returns to the future.
- If the agents didn't read ahead, they will be taken by surprise, and above-mentioned unconventional assassination methods may become necessary.
- Would portaling the Sue to some other place in the last possible moment break the temporal connection, so that she doesn't return to the future and there is time to charge and kill her? Since we don't know anything about her method of time travel, I cannot think of any techno-babble that would make this sound plausible.
(50 – 63)
Hermione confesses that all her answers to the questions she asked Harry would be him, Harry proposes, Hermione agrees to marry him, but insists that their children will not be named Albus or Severus. They decide to tell Ron later and go to sleep in one bed, but certainly not indulge into any sexual activities. Next morning, they break up with Ron and leave for Australia, "where they would make sure Rose was concieved again."
- I don't understand why they expect to stay in Australia for at least three months, but this may be convenient.
- I don't like to introduce semi-canonical sources, but I'm sure that Harry doesn't have the time to accompany Hermione to Australia and stay there so long. There are still Death-Eaters to be rounded up, the Auror bureau needs every experienced and trustworthy fighter, and Harry, Ron and Neville will certainly not shirk the duty. So this thing doesn't even need to be PPCed, because it wouldn't work anyway, and Rose-Sue will never exist.
Tasks for second draft:
Find something to do for the agents. They cannot just lie under the bed, not even daring to MST, because the Sue might hear them, until they jump out to charge and kill.
Decide on time and method for assassination.
Pre-mission premise and post-mission closure.
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I really like them by
on 2015-03-26 13:51:00 UTC
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But I really don't have a huge amount of spare time at the moment, so I'm not really able to reply or do the challenges at the moment. That said, when I'm more free I was planning on using the workshops to help me get over the blocks I have and get out at least a couple of missions over the summer.
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Sorry, PC. by
on 2015-03-25 15:28:00 UTC
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You uploaded this one in the middle of a fairly bad cold during the busiest month of my job. I was literally just working, eating and sleeping (almost let my checking account bottom out from automatic payments, too), and I literally had no energy for anything. Also, my next three major PPC stories are all locked in, and I didn't want to commit to yet another story until I have a chance to write and publish the upcoming ones.
But I love your workshops! I've done all the past ones, and some of the stories I did for them are canon in my spin-off now. I'm sorry I couldn't participate this time, but I plan to in the future. -
I have yet to do a challenge. by
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I've read through your workshops, but I'm not a huge fan and I think your tone is, Iunno, off somehow. It comes across (to me at least) less as "this is a good way to do a mission" and more "this is how to write a mission; deviate from my teachings at your bloody peril, foolish mortal". It can feel rather patronising in places. Then again, my sole extant mission is pretty bloody terrible, by all accounts, so I'm in no position to judge. =]
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I thought your extant mission was pretty good, actually! by
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It's now been a bit since I read it (I think I might have read it twice, actually), but I remember laughing and going 'wow, lookit the characterization, this is fascinating' by turns. I thought you did a good job.
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Yes, I do find them useful! by
on 2015-03-24 23:17:00 UTC
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Even though I'm too lazy to do the exercises (except for 4A!). In fact, I have them bookmarked!
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Come on, man! You broke the chain! (nm) by
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Well... by
on 2015-03-24 21:49:00 UTC
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Pretty much what the other guys said. I read them, and they're helpful, but I haven't had a lot of time to do (non-school related) writing, so I haven't put much of it into practice.
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What he said. Sorry! (nm) by
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Well... by
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I'm reading them, and comparing how you write to how I write. I have not done any of the exercises yet, but I do intend to. Except the most recent one, as I already know how to find good badfic for the fandom I'm covering. On the whole, this series is very helpful for anyone writing missions.
Don't be discouraged over the lack of response to this last one. It's not a very tasty topic, while important. I assure you, many more people read it then you think. -
Well... by
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I'm reading them. Even if I'm too lazy to do the challenges, they contain useful advice.
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Well... by
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I did find your last workshop interesting, but you seem to use more of a 'plan it out to the last detail' approach while I like to plan as I write. I do like seeing how other people write though, if that counts for anything.
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This sounds cool by
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And yes, I do have an idea for a pair of agents that I want to use when I eventually get permission. Maybe I'll try this out.
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Rose Potter, Part 5 already?! by
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I have no idea how I managed it, but here you go, everyone!
I swear to Rowling I have a life outside the PPC! *sweatdrops and runs off to start on Part 6* -
You mad, brave, stubborn, mad woman. by
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Seriously, I envy your persistence. I probably would've attempted to pull a Division of Multiple Offenses in the first book if I'd tried to tackle that...thing.
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^^; (nm) by
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You can do it! A great reward awaits at the end! (nm) by
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You are not prepared (nm) by
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I never said it was going to come from the fic. ;) (nm) by
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Nearly done! by
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Rose Potter: where carving words into your hand is Dark Magic, but carving words into your best friend's forehead is perfectly normal.
Oh, and I love this bit:
“Can we charge for being trigger-happy and a complete nutjob? I think we can,” Rina said, noting it down.
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Yeah, yeah, nearly there, nearly there! by
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Rose Potter is just... absolutely insane. There really were no words to describe the horror she inflicted upon poor Ron.
That was one of my favorite parts to write. :3
This is me the entire time I'm sporking Rose Potter:
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That is the darkest .gif I have ever seen. by
on 2015-03-24 22:11:00 UTC
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Or, rather, have not seen. I think I see a dude in there, but... Man. Iximaz, I would scrap this one, if I were you.
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I couldn't even react to part 4! Anyway, to be fair... by
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... Who am I kidding? Why would you even want to be fair with that abomination? This just requires high-temperature termination with extreme prejudice.
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Rose is a dirty rotten cheater. Fairness isn't an option. by
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Glad to know you're enjoying it! Like I said, the grand finale will be at 12:00 p.m. EST, so... yeah, hope you like that, too! :3
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Hey, gimme a break. by
on 2015-03-24 20:41:00 UTC
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I intended to do the workshop exercise today, and there you come and distract me again :-)
Also, how dare Moody for not bowing to her?
Does "for" really belong there?
Rina solved his dilemma by putting down her notebook holding her hand out for the wated to sniff.
"and" missing between "notebook" and "holding"?
PS: I love the wated.
I’m more concerned with the fact that Rose is able to get away with attacking high-ranking Ministry officials like this and get away with it,
This may be intentional, showing how furious Rina is, and nothing seems impossible at this point. But getting away and getting away with it may be a bit much?
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The moral: When Iximaz posts missions, GET OUT OF THE WAY! by
on 2015-03-24 22:39:00 UTC
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I mean, I didn't learn that golden rule in time, and look what happened. XD
As for the third proofreading, I think a better way to word it would be, "I'm more concerned with the fact that Rose is able to attack high-ranking Ministry officials like this with impunity." Because that last word sounds a bit stronger and knowing Rose, I suppose that's a plus. -
Ehehe... ^^; by
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Don't worry, after Part 6, I'm gonna take a bit of a break from writing missions.
But I think I'll keep it the way it is. I mean, unless you suffer from Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness, not many people use 'impunity' in casual conversation. -
Wait. That's not normal? (nm) by
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What's not normal? (nm) by
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Using Impunity by
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Or did I end up posting that as a response to the wrong thread?
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Oh. by
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Well, not that it's not normal, per se, but it doesn't fit with Rina's character, especially at that particular moment in time. I strive for realistic dialogue, not to show off my admittedly grandiose lexicon. :P I do like to use big words just for kicks, but when you're upset, what do you say, "Aw man!" or "I find this situation to be highly displeasing."? (
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The latter by
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Well at least sometimes. Though more than likely it would look something like this "Censored censored! Son censored censored censored censored censored duck. Censored!"
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BTW by
on 2015-03-24 22:58:00 UTC
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Courtesy link for those who wonder WTH those two words mean.
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Never! by
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Part 6 is already done and ready to go tomorrow, too, so no break for you! :P
Oops, no it doesn't!
Right, will add.
(I love the wated too. The typo made me laugh so hard- I mean, how do you confuse 'wallet' with 'wated'?)
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Also... by
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Didn't you say somewhere that after this you are doing "Little Miss Mary"? Are you TRYING to die or something?
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Hahaha by
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Nah, after LMM, I think I'll be done with Legendaries. Believe it or not, I do value what little sanity I have left.
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You are a brave, brave soul. Take all my joyous love. by
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No proofreading errors that I seem to have noticed this time. I eagerly await the grand finale!
Though, Rose remembering that the agents killed her? That's not what I'd call a good sign... -
*accepts love* by
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I can't wait until tomorrow. Noon won't come fast enough.
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Well, that was fast by
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At this rate I expect that this monstrosity will finally be put to rest within a week.
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I'm hoping for tomorrow or the day after. by
on 2015-03-24 17:48:00 UTC
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The excess of plagiarism makes my job a lot easier, mercifully.
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Part 6 will be done by tomorrow, guys! by
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I'll have it posted at 12:00 Eastern Standard Time, so... yeah. Be ready and keep an eye out!
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You better be exact by
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I'll be checking if it shows up exactly at 12:00 EST. If it doesn't, I am revoking your rights for free cookies.
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NOT THE COOKIES! by
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Don't worry, I'll be eagerly awaiting noon tomorrow to post! :3
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That is the one good thing about the plagiarism by
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Since it's taken from something that is already good to begin with, it is made "slightly" less painful, but not by much.
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You are almost there. by
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Just hang in there, must a little longer.
I have not read the mission yet, nor will I, until the final death. I will then read every mission in a row and comment on them all as one giant mission. So, consider this additional motivation. -
I'm already up to chapter three of seven. by
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At this rate, the series will be finished wither tomorrow or the day after. :D
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If I had your writing speed... by
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I would be almost through Starfleet Magic 3, with two missions from Jumper on the side.
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Hopefully, I won't disappoint! :3 (nm) by
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I can confirm... by
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...that she DOES, in fact, have a life outside of the PPC. She just has a crazy determination to kill this horrible series. Anyway, fantastic work!
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Godzilla Sues/Stus - a quick question by
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My next DIC mission is going to take place in the Godzilla continuum, with the crossover being a Sonic replacement as big as the M.U.T.O.s from the 2014 Godzilla movie. I've come across a little roadblock with regards to how to handle it, though, and I may need your help on this matter.
The original plan was for the agents to go to DoSAT and use some kind of special technology to disguise themselves as kaiju - but the problem is that I don't recall if anything like that is either possible in-universe or reasonable as far as the writing is concerned. The other alternative was to have the agents visit as themselves, but have Godzilla personally kill the Stu once the charges are pressed, but as tempted as I am to use the "kiss of death" that he pulled on the female M.U.T.O., I'm trying to steer clear of having the canons be directly involved in the executions as much as possible.
My big question, then, is: How do you kill a kaiju-sized replacement, Sue, Stu, or whatever it is that's threatening the canon? Most militaries are useless against Tohoverse kaiju, and pretty much the only way to get rid of one of those is either through some really crazy ultra-destructive tomfoolery like the Oxygen Destroyer or by having another kaiju dispose of them. Is there a way to kill a Suvian kaiju that doesn't involve the Big Guy himself? -
Why NOT use the Oxygen Destroyer? by
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DoSAT probably has one, tbh, and it's a canon way to kill kaiju.
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Or how about the Absolute Zero Cannon? by
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Like the one that was mounted on Kiryu's (a.k.a. Millenium MechaGodzilla) chest.
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If size is the problem... by
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Why not solve the size problem before you solve the living-Sue problem?
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SCP-682. What could possibly go wrong? by
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Seriously, though, I support portalling it to the Marianas Trench, or any other probably-deadly place. The main problem being... Well, making a Kaiju-sized portal.
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The thing is, I don't know if we have any correspondence with the SCP Foundation.
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Yeah, that was a joke. ^^ by
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The Foundation doesn't really need the PPC since there's no canon and most really bad things are deleted and/or decommissioned. Agents aren't allowed anywhere near the formation anyway. Source
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Foundation*, I blame my autocorrect. by
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I should set that thing to English. One day. Maybe.
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Something small and insignificant. by
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Because it's funnier than watching a Big, Dramatic Battle.
Missions are always the most interesting when the agents are hamstrung for tech. "Oh no, the Stu is using his superpower, I'd better use my nuclear bazooka!" is silly, yes... but it's not challenging. "The only resource I have is a spork" is much more exciting to read, oddly enough.
So. Skyscraper-sized monster. You're an ordinary human. It knows you're there. You need to kill it. Get out of that if you can.
I suggest rigging up a crude electrical transformer (with a false cliffhanger when your agents say "We need a transformer!", and everyone's imagining giant robots), boosting the national grid's current to ridiculous levels, and then electrocuting him. Dread to think what you're gonna do with the body, though...
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Hedgehogs are edible, right? (nm) by
on 2015-03-26 15:49:00 UTC
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Firetruck? by
on 2015-03-25 23:25:00 UTC
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I am reminded of a scene from Hot Fuzz Where the villain is running around a miniature city, and is ultimately defeated when he steps on a toy car and fall forward into the spire of a Cathedral. Something like that could work.
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I second the Jaeger suggestion by
on 2015-03-25 01:47:00 UTC
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There's also the DoSAT Hangar, which contains all kinds of vehicles. It could easily have a giant mechsuit.
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IIRC, DoSAT has a modded Evangelion unit.. by
on 2015-03-25 02:29:00 UTC
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And if the agents can't bring themselves to kill a kaiju!Sue, well...
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It was a Gundam... by
on 2015-03-25 02:56:00 UTC
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And, in the semi-canon place where it exists, it no longer exists thanks to an overenthusiastic Pacific Rim sue. Sorry about that.
(This whole side of PPC continuity is to be taken with a grain of salt, two shots of bleepka, and eight ounces of pineapple juice. Shake, do not stir, and please keep in mind that the whole thing is for comedic effect.) -
Aha, found it! by
on 2015-03-25 03:03:00 UTC
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It's pink and silver.
Quote from the mission:
“As if we could run away,” Evie snarked. “Looks like we might have a use for that DoSAT EVA Unit you were telling me about.”
“I hope not,” her partner replied. “Let’s hope we can clean this up without having to go the empathic biomech route.”
“Don’t want to pilot a pink Evangelion? I’ll do it.
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Alas... by
on 2015-03-24 23:44:00 UTC
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Any means of disposing of kaiZu in general that I can think of basically amounts to "summon bigger fish."
Roll tape!
Alex Mercer: Nope, totally not plugging my fandoms. Anyway, Alex is damn near unkillable; even a nuke didn't put him down. He can consume and absorb an indefinite amount of biomass and store it for later use. As for mucking about with Prototype canon, well... who's to say it will? Alex was able to create giant monsters in Prototype 2, they had to come from somewhere.
Haloverse superweapons: Maybe the DoSAT has MACs or Covenant flagships lying around? Of course, going that far is usually DoGA's thing.
EVA: I'm not sure if you've seen it, but in Fish Custard's mission to Evangelion, they pull out an EVA unit acquired by the PPC. Precedent!
There is one more thing I thought of... but it's a sci-fi continuum of my own invention. That guy down there talking about poison? Here's your answer: a planet with an atmosphere composed primarily of arsenic, populated by insectoids that hunt kaiju-sized animals for a living. Alas, original fiction, so you couldn't justifiably use it. -
I think that could work. by
on 2015-03-25 03:32:00 UTC
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It'll probably require some tinkering with that shrink ray that [EvilAI]UBEROverlord suggested, and the assistance of a mini. Or two. As I stated here, I found a few mini-kaiju in the fic in question, so...
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Nice suggestions by
on 2015-03-25 00:27:00 UTC
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The only thing there that I wouldn't suggest is Mercer, simply because you couldn't control him. The EVA unit seems like the best option, but still a little risky, just because of what it takes to pilot them. Maybe something from 40K could work?
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Use a Jaeger!!! by
on 2015-03-24 23:24:00 UTC
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Seriously though, you need to use very, very, VERY heavy weaponry to even injure one, probably stuff some other canons. Or you can always let The Big G himself deal with it, then neuralyze him.
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My vote is for fighting fire with fire. by
on 2015-03-24 22:43:00 UTC
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As there is of course a looooooong tradition in classic kaiju movies of summoning more of the things to deal with the one you have. Not sure which one would be most appropriate here, or for that matter how many, nor how you would contain your "solution" once it had done its job, but that last one would certainly be a funny question for the Agents to ask after they had done it.
If that fails, the Jaegers from Pacific Rim are of course designed specifically to do your job, and while there are of course canon-contamination issues it seems like when really big things need to be killed the flowers are willing to overlook that point- I remember one mission in particular where a WH40K capital ship was brought in to glass a Mata Nui knockoff island filled to the brim with Sues. -
Rent-a-Zilla by
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Neurotoxins are delightful things... by
on 2015-03-24 22:18:00 UTC
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Seriously, poisons might work. Nothing is immune to everything, and DoSAT could easily hook up some kind of delivery system. Start with ricin or botulinum. Both of these should work wonders. A fictional alternative to these would be Nova-6 from Black Ops. That last one might be considered torture, but if not, use it.
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Poison. A Kaiju. by
on 2015-03-24 22:25:00 UTC
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh, wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder!
AH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Seriously though... No. I see where you're going, but, no. Do youu have any idea how big these things are? How powerful? The amount of poison it would take to even try to take down any kaiju would be insane. Unless you are shooting them full of tankers full of ricin, they will shrug off anything you try to feed them. -
15 kilos of botulinum will kill everything by
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And I mean everything on the planet. It's nasty stuff. And I do mean pure botulinum. It is the deadliest poison known to man. And even if whatever you hit with it survives, it'll be suffering from severe paralysis, so you can just run up and plant a brick of C4 on its face.
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Methinks the point was missed. by
on 2015-03-24 23:21:00 UTC
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It's not that kaiju are poison-immune, it's the fact that there's simply too much monster for any given poison to get through. No matter how much you put into it, a kaiju's sheer size means that any poison you apply will be diluted to the point of doing nothing.
Fifteen kilograms of botulinum might put down a blue whale, but kaiju are many hundreds of times larger. You'd need a supertanker's worth of the stuff for it to have any effect whatsoever. -
Methinks it was not... by
on 2015-03-25 03:09:00 UTC
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Botulism toxin has an estimated LD-50 of one nanogram per kilogram. Knifehead weighed 2,500 tons, which means you'd need 2.5 milligrams of botulism toxin to hit LD-50 (assuming metric tons. We benighted imperial-measurement people would need slightly less).
Of course, botulism is a hugely specific toxin - it's nothing short of a protein, with an immense atomic mass and a very specific neurotoxic pathway. So let's pick something simpler...
And by "something simpler", I mean "agent orange"! Dioxins are very simple chemicals - they're relatively stable bearers of chlorine. Chlorine is oxygen's bigger, badder brother - it's hellishly reactive, and conveniently enough, will happily kill anything that was designed to live in an oxygen-rich environment.
At a mere 20 µg/kg for ld50, we'd need to dose Knifehead with half a kilogram of agent orange to hit LD-50. That's a relatively achievable amount - although the EPA would probably not be hugely happy with you for it.
In short: If you can find a reasonably effective neurotoxin, kauju are totally poisonable. You have to make major-environmental-disaster quantities of toxin, sure, but that's really only a couple pounds of the stuff, tops. -
And good luck finding that much by
on 2015-03-24 23:23:00 UTC
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Seeing as that kind of thing is usually heavily regulated and people might think something is up if that much goes missing.
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Summon Inframan! by
on 2015-03-24 21:43:00 UTC
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There is absolutely no reason anyone should know about Inframan unless they're a serious student of Chinese film or something, and I'm not being entirely serious with this suggestion, but it would really amuse me. He fights ridiculous Godzilla-like monsters all the time and can grow to giant size to match them, too. ^_^
Failing that, a shrink ray of some sort seems like a good solution to me. DoSAT can almost certainly hook you up.
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Shrink Ray? by
on 2015-03-24 20:41:00 UTC
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Take it from Honey I Shrunk the Kids? It should theoretically work. Or if you want to go the Super Crazy Route what about say the Megazord from Mighty Morphin Power Rangers? I mean a bunch of teenagers were able to figure out how to operate it in cannon. Or a Gundam perhaps?
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Well, what's Sonic's main weakness? by
on 2015-03-24 20:31:00 UTC
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Water. Basically, figure out some way to lure him to the Marianas Trench and let drowning do the rest.
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*facewing* Why didn't I think of that?! by
on 2015-03-24 22:52:00 UTC
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I was thinking of disposal of Suvian kaiju in general, but that could work for M.U.T.O.!Sonic specifically. As for how to get him there, well, the fic I'm sporking has quite a few mini-kaiju - I imagine that in the Godzilla universe, misspelled kaiju names create mini-versions of said kaiju, and any non-kaiju names that get bungled create mini-Godzillas. They'd be about the size of the Jurassic Park T. rex, since that's small, right? Still, I have feeling they may be useful for my evil, evil plan... >;)
The Shrink Ray suggested by [EvilAI]UBEROverlord also sounds like a good idea that I may reserve for a later time - I'm not sure if it's powerful enough to shrink the "Kaisue", but what if we could reverse it and make the minis big enough to fight M.U.T.O.!Sonic? Besides, I want one of the agents to keep a mini-Godzilla and the Shrink Ray would be perfect for keeping him at a reasonable size. -
It would work by
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There was another film in the Honey I Shrunk Series, called Honey, I Blew Up the Baby. Which contrary to what the title may imply is not about a dead baby. What happens is that the Shrink Ray had been redesigned to increase size rather than shrink. So it ended up having a Giant Baby terrorizing the people. So it should work.
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That could work by
on 2015-03-24 22:59:00 UTC
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Or Rent-a-Zilla. If it were me I would probably do that.
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Kill it with the RA. by
on 2015-03-24 19:32:00 UTC
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Open a portal in one of the kaiju's arteries and set the other portal to space or something. Watch as the pressure differential bleeds it bone-dry in a matter of moments.
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Somebody needs to explore how these portals work. by
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I know they are stabilized plotholes, and there is something about coordinates, but what on earth are the coordinates? How specific can you get? How can Agents know all of these arbitrary coordinates?
I always thought of the RA as having some pre-set coordinate options, such as Partner, Mary Sue, and major locations in canons. Otherwise, it works similarly to the Portal gun. Point at thing, pull trigger, travel. How would one program "inside Soniju's aorta, connected to the moon?" If you were to try that, you would have to have a very long section of one of the agents trying to figure out how to program that setting in, while the other protects them from the monster.
Also, knowing Kaiju and Sonic Sues, that may well not do much. Make them very tired, but not dead. Because screw logic. -
There's another thing I'm wondering about portals... by
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Basically, I want to do a mission on that MLP/KSP crossover I linked a while ago (once I get Permission, of course). To dispose of the logic-defying(-even-by-KSP-standards), uncanonical-parts-containing interstellar spacecraft, I had planned to portal it into a Kerbol impact trajectory. Basically throwing it into the Sun.
The thing is, I'm not sure if that would work, or the ship would just be put into orbit. Has anything been established about the relative speed of stuff that has been portalled into space? It seems like it doesn't affect Agents travelling between planets and continua, at least... -
You ever play Portal? by
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Basically, our portals work in a very similar way to those portals. Momentum is conserved between portals. In other words...
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I always imagined RAs... by
on 2015-03-24 20:01:00 UTC
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...to being shaped like a good ol' TI-84 graphing calculator:
You can flip though menus or enter a specific set of coordinates yourself. So if you want to do the artery-execution method I'd imagine the menus would look like:
Portal 1
>Sue
>Inside Sue
>Confirm decision
>Carotid artery
>Autoscale portal
>Maintain position with respect to Sue
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>Space
>Planet ionosphere
>Autoscale portal
>Engage
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I'm with you on the CAD's by
on 2015-03-24 20:12:00 UTC
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That look just fits perfectly.
I do see what your saying, but... How many times would agents need to portal inside a Sue? I mean, maybe for a Dragon!Sue, to get in their stomach to save a canon they just ate, but otherwise...
So, I doubt it would be that easy to get inside the Sue. I do agree with the general menus, though. As for the look, I'm more inclined with Iximaz. Though, I won't lie, I have imagined them as portal guns with screens before. That is not my normal image, but I have thought it before. -
The way I imagine them... by
on 2015-03-24 20:08:00 UTC
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is like the remote activator Phineas and Ferb had in the 2nd Dimension movie, except without the odd crank handle on the side.
I always imagined CADs to be rectangular things a bit larger than a cell phone with and an on/off switch on the side and a screen on the large flat side. Not really much else. -
I don't know... by
on 2015-03-24 19:25:00 UTC
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First, small side tangent. Why does Sonic have the worst fanfics? I suppose it has to do partially with the flimsy canon it's based off of, but I have never seen any evidence of a good Sonic fic.
Anyway, kaiju. To be honest, I would be tempted to bring in the giant battle robots from Pacific Rim. It would allow for Agents to get closer through the Mind Melds, and provide a lot of humor though them trying to get the darn thing to work, and just not working. Although, I have no idea how you could slip it in to the fic reasonably. A really strong Not My Problem field? Although, that sounds like a bit of a cop-out. The best rule of thumb for PPC tech: very powerful, but can break at any minute. Nothing can make the job too easy. That's why we have disguises, no? However, in the case of a giant robot that rivals the Transformers in size... I don't know. Up to you. -
I was thinking that as well. by
on 2015-03-24 19:58:00 UTC
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The problem is that in the actual Pacific Rim movie, the Jaegers aren't actually as durable against the kaiju as most people think. Leatherback and Otachi were able to dismember two of them in quick succession before Gipsy Danger was brought in, and these were some of the only remaining ones after the Jaeger program got shut down - they were just THAT powerful. I should also point out that the Pacific Rim kaiju are apparently much lighter than most monsters of that size range tend to be, and realistically they'd be knocked over by a strong wind like the kinds encountered at the tops of skyscrapers. If they're that lightweight (and I can only assume that MUTO!Sonic would probably be of a similar constitution) and they're able to destroy two Jaegers operated by experienced teams of highly trained soldiers... I can only imagine what something like that could do to a Jaeger at a constant risk of breaking down, operated by a pair of teenagers with no experience with such technology whatsoever (or, Arceus forbid, a tween who suffers from crippling anxiety).
As for the other suggestions, shooting the MUTO!Sonic out into orbit will likely make a bad situation worse - what if it meets Ghidorah and uses the Suefluence on him? And I know enough about speculative kaiju biology to say with confidence that bleeding it out would take way too long.
I guess a Jaeger is the only thing that comes close to a good suggestion, but even that's not saying much given what happened to most of them in the Pacific Rim canon. I honestly have no clue as to what else to do that would stay true to the Duty, though. *shrug* -
I see what you mean. by
on 2015-03-24 20:22:00 UTC
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However, I just can not think of anything that would fit at all in this universe. Can a Jaeger take on Godzilla? AH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Oh, hah, no. No, not even. However, Sanic the Dinosaur? Possibly. It would take training before-hand, though not too much training. Enough to Mind Meld, and that's about it.
You know, the more I think about it, the more I like this idea. Besides, it allows for the Jaegers of the Plot Contimuum to semi-exist. -
G-Driver. Nick it out of Worm. by
on 2015-03-24 19:29:00 UTC
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It was supposed to be able to shoot the moon out of orbit. Should work on a Suezilla. =]
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Rose Potter... can it be done right? by
on 2015-03-24 21:33:00 UTC
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Starting a new topic here to avoid taking attention away from the recently posted and nicely done Rose Potter sporkings...
So. Harry Potter, genderbent. Can it be done right? If so, how would you do it? How would Harriet Potter be different from Harry?
My thoughts on the matter:
-The Dursleys treat her differently from Harry. Petunia sees entirely too much of Lily in her, and is even more severe and overbearing than she was to Harry. However, Dudley mostly ignores rather than bullies her because she is "just a girl".
-She moves from the still largely gender-biased Muggle world into the wizarding world, where gender matters much less.
-Being female, she tends toward "protect my friends" rather than "defeat my enemies", which changes her battle strategies somewhat (it's something about the different hormone levels and the need to protect infants--it's a slight effect, but it's there, thought it wouldn't make much of a difference early on, before puberty).
-She doesn't trigger Snape's ire so much because she reminds him of Lily. He's awkward around her and tends to pretend to ignore her rather than actively attacking the way he would Harry.
-As a female, she has slightly better verbal skills and slightly poorer visual-spatial skills. If you were to exaggerate the difference, she would be better at communicating, more likely to be good at things like Charms, and not so good at Quidditch or dueling.
-Her slightly better social skills (starting out) would give her a larger circle of friends and make her more popular. She would also be more likely to seek out other people when in trouble rather than try to handle things herself. She would be more prone to "relational aggression" (fighting with words and social ostracism) rather than physical or in this case magical fights.
-Being better at language gives her enough of an edge to discover her gift for Parseltongue earlier in life, age ten or younger. Maybe she even has a pet snake, or snake friends, as a child. It wouldn't endear her to Petunia, that's for sure, but it could change everything when it came to dealing with the Basilisk. (No, I don't think she'd befriend the basilisk; it's firmly under Tom Riddle's control. She might understand what she's hearing earlier than Harry did, though.)
But these are all slight differences. Maybe Harriet makes the Quidditch team in her second year instead of her first year, isn't so quick with defense against the dark arts, confides in Dumbledore more easily, or turns her larger group of friends against Draco Malfoy rather than just cursing him. They're still very slight differences. The only big differences I can see would be in how Harriet is treated in the Muggle world, where her being female really matters--both because the world sees her as just-a-girl and because Petunia sees her as Lily's daughter.
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Personally, if I were writing a girl!Harry fic, I would significantly alter her relationship with the Dursleys, and through that her views on the magical world. Let's call this theoretical character Daisy, in order to distinguish her from other female versions of Harry.
Petunia does see more of Lily in Daisy than she does in Harry; however, instead of outright rejecting her, she sees Daisy as a version of Lily that can still be saved. So on one hand, she would be more "loving" towards Daisy, but on the other, Daisy would still be harshly punished for any accidental magic. For Daisy, the punishments would be more traumatic; unlike Harry, she wants to please the Dursleys, and it's the rejection that really hurts. Instead of being thrilled by the magical world, she hates it - she wishes she was normal, so her family would love her. At the same time, she's desperate to please those around her, and the magical world is all she's got.
Overall, she'd be less of a rebel than Harry. I doubt she'd make Gryffindor, though if you wanted to keep the same cast you could make an argument for it. Nor, however, would she be in Slytherin, like in other AU fics; Slytherin is overly proud of its magical lineage, and Daisy would loathe that aspect of them. Instead, I think she'd fit better in Hufflepuff. At first, she just wants to be accepted by anyone and will do anything to fit in, but eventually she learns the meaning of true acceptance and loyalty.
The main issue with such a character, story-wise, is that I think Daisy would basically start out as a less intelligent version of Hermione, almost painfully afraid of breaking the rules. And unlike Hermione, who gets kind of dragged into things by Harry and Ron at first, she'd have no motivation to get involved in the plot. Plus, I think GoF and OotP would leave her traumatized and depressed - not exactly a character arc I'd enjoy writing.
Note that, I don't think this is necessarily specific to a female Harry; a similar AU could be done with a male version. In fact, this goes so significantly beyond making him a girl that gender would be incidental to the plotline. However, as far as using a genderbend to take dramatic liberties with characterization goes, I think this is more reasonable than a naked ninja-druid sociopath. -
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I think it can be done well, but it seems like the differences here are a bit stereotypical? There doesn't seem to be a reason why a Harriet would necessarily be friendlier or be worse at Quidditch. Though since you are exaggerating I guess it makes sense?
I think she'd probably have a different experience of being bullied, though.
Also, on the Snape thing: I once saw someone say on Tumblr: "If Harry had been a girl Snape would have treated her the way Petyr Baelish treats Sansa Stark." -
Yep, the differences are small. by
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We did study the differences between men and women in psychology classes, and they're not that extreme. Even the most pronounced ones are a matter of a couple of percentage points. Men are physically stronger and women live longer... but even then you have female bodybuilders and hundred-year-old men.
It's too slight a difference to make any predictions from. Take any particular man or woman--their gender tells you so little about them that you honestly can't make a guess with any kind of accuracy. So, give Harry Potter two X chromosomes, and you don't get that much of a difference.
The only real, major differences would be not in Harriet Potter herself, but in the way others treated her and the "This is what it means to be female" that she would pick up from the Muggle world. And if you emphasized those enough, you could get a different character for Harriet from what you got for Harry... but I'd be worried about making her a female stereotype just to get her to be different enough from Harry to be worth writing a story about. -
And given the way things can go... by
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That could just end up ridiculously messed up very quickly. But that is very likely correct. Snape essentially treats Harry the way he does, because of his physical similarity to James. So...That might make Snape even worse. He would at least seem less like evil incarnate, but still...that would not take much to get very disturbing.
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I've forgotten the biggest difference of all.... by
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Sybill Trelawney's prophecy.
"...and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal..."
Meaning this: Voldemort knows that the boy who's going to kill him is just that--a boy.
Which means that Neville Longbottom's parents are killed, Neville takes over Harry's role (and does things very differently, because Neville is a very different person from Harry).
Harriet Potter goes on her own way--no scar, no fragment of Voldemort in her. Maybe her parents still die, because let's face it, Lily and James Potter would've been Voldemort's enemies regardless of whether they had a boy or a girl.
It changes literally everything about her life for her not to be the Girl Who Lived. Not that she wouldn't get herself into trouble anyhow... -
The Prophecy by
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Snape heard only the first part, which is gender-neutral:
The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches ... Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies...
So, would Voldemort consider that the One might be female? Or would he try to kill Neville?
If Snape told Dumbledore that Voldemort intended to kill Harriet Potter, Dumbledore would know that Voldemort chose the wrong person. But Dumbledore doesn’t believe in prophecies anyway. He only believed that Voldemort believed in prophecies; his actions would not be changed.
So, Harriet Potter would be a story about how choices matter, and trump even fate, and Harriet became the Chosen One because she was chosen by Voldemort, not by the prophesy.
Huh, that’s actually Harry Potter, read by a reader who doesn’t believe in prophecies anyway, so nothing really new.
On the other hand, the Dark Lord not expecting that he might be vanquished by a mere girl is such a cliché...
I tried to make a point here, but somewhere on the way I lost it.
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It is a fanfiction after all by
on 2015-03-24 23:29:00 UTC
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It would be very simple to just ignore a simple pronoun :P
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Yes, but it is a rather important pronoun. (nm) by
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I highly doubt most fanfiction writers would notice by
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And if they did, even care.
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But this is a hypothetical goodfic. by
on 2015-03-24 23:37:00 UTC
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I'd think acknowledging an important bit of canon would be a part of writing a goodfic.
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Well if thats the case by
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Then the idea of a good Rose Potter fic (in the sense that they take Harry's role as "the boy who lived") is physically impossible.
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It could be an AU. by
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Good AUs exist, right? So--we have an AU in which the prophecy's pronouns are reversed and Voldemort hears that a girl will kill him. He goes after a female whose parents defied him (could be anyone--someone mentioned Susan Bones and she's a good candidate).
That would also make for a very different story. Say you do pick Susan as your Girl Who Lived; she's in Hufflepuff, for one thing; that would give us a different cast of characters. She has living family she cares about, and who are later killed, which could make for a major crisis point for her just like Sirius's death does for Harry.
Another possibility for an AU with a female as Voldemort's nemesis is this: For some reason, Harry Potter wasn't the only one-year-old in that room that day. Maybe he had a twin sister, or maybe a friend's child was visiting. When Voldemort went after Harry, he tried to kill everyone in the house, and Lily shielded Harry from the killing curse and from the soul fragment, which then attached itself to the only unshielded child in the room. Then you'd end up with Harry shielded from Voldemort by Lily's love, but the other child serving as an unwilling Horcrux--she'd really get the bad end of the deal.
The AU with the prophecy pointing to a female AND Lily and James having a daughter is a bit more dodgy, because it involves two changes; but you could swing it if you were careful because the prophecy would just have been Trelawney's seeing what would happen in her own AUverse in which Harry was born female. It would unseat Neville from his position as Harry's "backup", because Voldemort would be looking for girls. It would also be closest to the standard Harry Potter story, and you'd run into the same plagiarism problem that Rose Potter runs into. -
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I do not remember exactly where in the Prophecy Snape got caught. I thought it was before the "mark him as his equal" part. But even not, the use of the masculine pronoun is very common. So an interpretation could still be that it does not necessarily be an actual male to defeat him.
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Yeah, but Voldemort does seem rather literal-minded. by
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If the prophecy says 'him', Voldemort's gonna go after a guy. Not to mention if the prophecy could have referred to a girl in canon, surely there might have been a girl out there born on July 31 whose parents defied Voldemort thrice? The odds aren't great, sure, but there's still a chance.
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No doubt by
on 2015-03-24 23:33:00 UTC
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I also cannot remember where Snape got cut off. And I am not certain about it. If I remember correctly the only original Order members who had girls was the Bones family, the Weasleys are the only other ones to come to mind and they did not join up until the reformed order. So the only one that I think would qualify would have been Susan Bones, though I do not know when she was born.
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You wouldn't have to work for the Order to defy Voldemort. (nm) by
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True, but that's what seemed to be contemplated (nm) by
on 2015-03-24 23:44:00 UTC
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Anything can be done right by
on 2015-03-24 22:47:00 UTC
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The hard part would be making Harriet Potter different enough to not just be a rewrite, but also similar enough that you don't warp canon. If this can be accomplished, than I'd go for it. If it can't be accomplished, than I'd still go for it, just maybe write a few short chapters, as anything else is not really worth your time. I like point number six that you came up with, as that could make for some interesting bits.
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Just noting... by
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That saying 'Anything can be done right' is Shmuck Bait incarnate and just begs coming up with a concept you cannot do right.
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Go for it. by
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I've said it repeatedly about Middle-earth, and I'd love to see someone try to prove me wrong.
(Obviously this runs into the limits of what can be called a 'concept'. If your 'concept' consists of 'exactly the events of the Rose Potter series in every detail', then obviously not)
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I can go Godwin but I won't because that degrades the quality of the argument.
However:
1) This mess of trivialised mass murder and general OPness. Done right? Not possible, IMO. The premise itself is stupid.
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So... what's the concept there? by
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I did say that 'this entire story' doesn't really count. ;) Trivialised mass murder is simple (if not easy) to do right - you have your (hopefully non-sympathetic!) characters trivialise it. The Empire's treatment of Alderaan is a nice example here.
As for #2 - what, you don't think 'anthropomorphicism of a disease' can be well-created? All you need to do is present it as an enemy that needs to be beaten (they do that all the time with toothpaste adverts over here). "Don't let Evil Ebola take over Africa - donate now!"
(Also, I thought we were talking about fanfic? No?)
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Re number one, I was talking about the whole "MGLN world goes over to kinetic weaponry for some reason, oh and the TSAB's evil, and they blast Nanoha to pieces and it gives her superpowers", which is the concept (premise) of that story.
Re number two, that's not a good way to do it, it's tacky and corny.
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That's three concepts. ^_^ by
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'Goes over to kinetic weaponry' is one I'll have to pass on - I've no idea why that's even a problem. 'TSAB's evil'... what, you can't see a presumably-good presumably-organisation turning evil with the best intentions? I'm sure that's been written a time or five hundred.
As for attacking someone giving them superpowers... again, that's continuum-specific, so I don't know anything about it. But I see no reason it couldn't be worked into something feasible.
#2: well, yes, I had about thirty seconds. The general concept of 'personify something to awaken public opinion', however, is a fairly time-honoured notion. Lord Kitchener Wants YOU To Believe It. For that matter, political cartoons have been doing it since at least the 1850s. Yeah, most of those examples have been personifications of countries - but in the modern era, using the same techniques to evoke feelings and provoke actions about ebola (or anything else) sounds like a valid strategy to me.
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Could it be done? Yes. by
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Should it be done, now, that's the question. When doing gender bent stories, you often run into one major problem: blatant plagiarism. Oh, yes, there would be some differences, but on the whole, there is not enough difference between Harry and Harriet to warrant a full fic, ala Rose Potter. Now, a one-shot AU? Possibly. Multiverse hijinks? Entirely probable. Tumblr ask blog? YOU BET! Rake in those reblogs. But full, multi-chapter fic by itself? I just don't see it working.
That all said, I do like the analysis you made on the difference between Harry and Harriet. I am a little hesitant on the Parseltongue aspect of her, but on the whole, I can get behind this.
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So, not sure if anyone has noticed this yet by
on 2015-03-24 23:45:00 UTC
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But TekTek, the website we use for agent image creation, has been taken down. Arvee, the other one we use, doesn't seem to work either. Should we try to find new ones?
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Would this one work out? by
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It seems very detailed.
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"Hmm. Actually, that's pretty decent, as these things go."
Its main downside is that it only does faces, and doesn't have many options for non-humans. Also, if like me you're not very good with faces, it's a bit... generic.
(At one point I was planning to render Selene in all the dollmakers people have offered. Uh, not for this thread, I think)
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If you have some time on your handsÂ… by
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Then I recommend hero machine. That's what I used last time I needed images of the Cafeteria team - and it's versatile enough to make all three pretty close to their "actual" proportions, not easy given only one of them is human.
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If you have some time on your handsÂ… (nm) by
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We don't actually have... by
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... 'official' sites we use for agent images. I was one of the first people to pick up Tektek for the Wiki (not the very first, though), and there's no denying it's become popular, but any dollmaker which shows full-body images, rather than just faces, is perfectly valid to use.
Darned shame, though, and a pain in the neck. Fortunately I don't think I had anything ongoing that used it, but still...
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Why Now? by
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Tektek's been around for years. It seems strange that Gaia would only now issue a cease and desist, instead of back when it came out or when it first got popular.
Perhaps Gaia wants to make its own "Dream Avatar" system? If so, it would be a possible replacement - but I wouldn't be surprised if it required a Gaia account to use.
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Well, that sucks by
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I was under the impression they were working with Gaia. Oh well.
As for new things, Doll Divine has a few good ones, especially for female agents and CAFs. They have some okay stuff for males too, though. I know I used one of their things to make Ecks and Zee what back when, but I lost those images so I should probably redo them at some point. -
Does this thing look like a good replacement? by
on 2015-03-25 00:21:00 UTC
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I found this thing on an ad from TekTek. Here is the link:
https://recolor.me/
I've only been on since the takedown, so I have no idea what TekTek was able to do, but I hope this thing will work for now. -
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It's great for faces and hair, though TekTek still had more options, but it is seriously lacking in the clothing department from what I'm seeing. It is a remarkably similar style though.
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An addendum to above by
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Apparently they do have plenty of clothes and items, you just have to earn them. So it's less like TekTek which was basically a doll maker using all of Gaia's items and body types, and more like Gaia itself.
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Actually, there is a way to use items you haven't earned yet by
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It is a little wonky to access, but if you make an avatar, try to change it. When the menu to do so pops up, scroll all the way down. You should see something that looks like an ad, but it should say "what if I had all the items". If you click on it, you'll be taken to a different menu for customizing. And in this menu, you can make an avatar with all available parts, and it'll let you save it as an image.
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It wants me to make an account? No, thank you. by
on 2015-03-25 00:24:00 UTC
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Besides, if I am going to have my agents get avatars, it will likely be commissioned in some format by an artist, not generated like this.
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Just looked around a bit by
on 2015-03-25 00:19:00 UTC
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And I found this:
http://www.dreamself.me/clothes.php?action=view&id=0
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on 2015-03-25 19:16:00 UTC
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http://kisekae3.web.fc2.com/s/selfy.html
I'm familiar with dreamself.me and this is just like it, but with more clothes options (selfy simulator and dreamself.me are based off atgames.jp and tinierme.com), here is the full archive of the items: http://ouroboros.xii.jp/selfy/gacha/holic/ -
First impressions. by
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I like the selection, but...
http://dreamself.me/d/lFiN
This is extremely cute. In a slightly annoying way. ^_^;
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I just squee'd very loudly. by
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He looks so cute and grumpy!
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Agent Selene says: by
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"Someone is going to pay for this. I'm not supposed to be adorable!"
General comments: their search function sucks. It's impossible to simultaneously search a colour and a keyword. They show far too few images per page, and the fact that you can't experiment like TekTek let you is a major downside.
I could probably pull of an excellent Agent Kaitlyn, though...
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Tektek's been taken down? by
on 2015-03-24 23:49:00 UTC
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But... I was on it just earlier today...
I knew Arvee's been down for at least a few months, but I can't check on TekTek since I'm using my phone. Plus it's kid of a big thing for Gaia Online, isn't it? Maybe it's just down for maintenance? -
I think i was on it at an earlier point by
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And I think it said something about getting a cease and desist from Gaia Online. I think its gone for good.
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Well, crap. by
on 2015-03-25 00:04:00 UTC
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It's true. The site seems pretty dead. Here's the information, courtesy of Google Cache:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XpIrG4JcfJkJ:tektek.org/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
... Drat. I really liked that thing. {= (
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Aw man, this sucks! by
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...good thing I have all my currently-planned future agents created. Holy cow. This is awful. :(
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I dont by
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I even had in mind what they looked like, their personalities, and their names (Erik and Reaver). This really sucks ;-;
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Sing, ye people of the PPC Board... by
on 2015-03-25 00:27:00 UTC
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For the realm of Sauron is ended!
Happy Victory in Middle Earth Day, everyone! (It's the 25th here in Australia even if the Board time isn't there yet).
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Hurray! by
on 2015-03-25 12:18:00 UTC
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*celebrates with seed-cake and music*
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Cormacolindor, a laita tarienna! by
on 2015-03-25 09:46:00 UTC
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Praise them! The ring-bearers, praise them with great praise!
And of course it is the traditional feast day of Professor Saint Tolkien. I hope you've all got your seed-cake and mushrooms ready...?
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Hooray! Hooray! *bells* by
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And yes, I did in fact find some seed-cake via plothole. *takes bite* Mmm, whole grain! Delicious!
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The Dark Tower is broken down... by
on 2015-03-25 02:59:00 UTC
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(I forget the words. I'll look them up tomorrow, I promise!)
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Happy Australian Victory Day by
on 2015-03-25 00:30:00 UTC
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For this occasion we will watch the Lord of the Rings movies with Kangaroos. (forgive me)
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Well, we can always use sheep from New Zealand instead! (nm) by
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Who am I kidding? I have no patience. Part 6 + Interlude! by
on 2015-03-25 01:03:00 UTC
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Hopefully nobody minds that this is early
At long last, Rose Potter is dead for good!
Okay, before anyone goes and reads, DO NOT CLICK ON THAT INTERLUDE LINK FIRST UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE SPOILED. And if you want to discuss what happened, please mark your posts as having spoilers.
We clear? Yes? Good.
And now, for the fun part!
The Mission
The Interlude
Happy reading! ~Iximaz
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All hail... by
on 2015-03-29 00:48:00 UTC
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...the people who have taken on a legendary badfic! Hail the ones who have the courage to face these monsters!
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Well done![SPOILERS] by
on 2015-03-27 14:39:00 UTC
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I did not see the Time Lord emergency transformation coming, so good job!
Was the pony Rina saw in Medical Dr Kindheart? Because that'd be pretty funny.
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Oh yeah, Desdendelle told me about Ari! by
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*high fives* Hopefully this doesn't start a trend, though. Stuff like this really ought to be saved for special circumstances. ^^;
The pony might have been, but considering she went running out of Medical, it was probably some agent who freaked when he saw this crazy humanoid come running at him and bolted. Or maybe there wasn't a pony at all. Who knows? -
Hard to Believe It's Over by
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Honestly, I'm still surprised that anyone had the guts to take on Rose Potter in the first place, so the fact that it's all done just feels weird. Absolutely beautiful job, on the whole string of things. Normally, I'd say I can't wait to see what you put out next, but I think you've earned a nice, long break.
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I'd like to think I earned a break. by
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Rose Potter was a lot of fun to spork, but holy cow was it also tiring. But all this energy's just left over, and I can't stop writing!
The next mission should be out early April, going into Doctor Who because racist Flowers. -
You accidentally shared the editable version of the mission. by
on 2015-03-26 19:25:00 UTC
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I thought I'd brought up "Find" when I had not. Thanks to Undo there's no damage done, but I think you meant to post the read-only version.
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Oh, man, I did? Oops! (nm) by
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You know, at first I was worried you were going to 'Sue Rina by
on 2015-03-26 16:50:00 UTC
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However, I do see now how the transformation into a Time Lady could be a source of character development rather than a power-up...
There's the body-horror angle. Her mind doesn't expect her body to be different, especially her sensory system.
She'll have to leave her past behind. No one who knew her before, and doesn't now know about the PPC, would believe that this completely different-looking girl is Rina. That includes family, friends...
The possibility of a TARDIS is interesting, but I'm wondering: Does she have to get one? Would she be able to learn how to use it? A Time Lady without a TARDIS might be more interesting to write simply because it hasn't been done very often.
The reality of presumably having regenerations left could change things too. It might mean that in a dangerous situation where somebody's going to die, Rina'd have to step up. Ouch.
Of course regenerations aren't infallible. Destroy the brain, or kill someone very suddenly, and they're probably not coming back. Even worse is the prospect of dying somewhere in a dangerous environment where you wouldn't be found for, say... an hour or so. Oh, you'd die all right--repeatedly. If you couldn't keep your head enough to decide not to regenerate in those circumstances (and does Rina know enough about her new biology to know how she'd even begin doing that?), you'd be in for an exceedingly nasty end. Even if you were rescued halfway through, you'd probably be in serious trouble, with your biology badly messed up.
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Nah, no TARDIS. by
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At least, not unless she somehow acquires one from DoSAT, but that would be silly.
But yeah, basically, the only family she has who knows are her parents and brother. Everyone else? Nope.
She'll be spending a lot of time looking through books on Time Lord physiology. It'll still take a looong time before she adjusts, though. You don't forget eighteen-ish years of being human that fast. And even then, there'll probably be stuff that surprises her. Not to mention, she doesn't have the knowledge to employ her new senses to their fullest. You can't identify different materials by their taste if you've never tasted them before, for example. -
Good luck, then. by
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I do think you owe us at least one hilarious scene of a confused Rina trying to control a completely unfamiliar TARDIS, though. :)
Good luck with writing a high-powered Rina; we all know the more powerful the character, the harder they are to handle. Or, well, a potentially high-powered Rina, as she's nowhere near through her how-do-i-shot-web phase. -
Rina, right now. by
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Oh Rowling I spit water all over my computer D: (nm) by
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In the hallways... by
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“I’ll be damned,” muttered Owen under his breath. “Rookie Zeb actually survived a Legendary badfic. I knew he had it in him when I met him at Rudi’s-- kid’s got an Aura like a Pyroar.” He paused at the end of the hallway. Let’s see... there’s a staircase in front of us... two RCs with odd numbers facing each other on the left... Right. We need to turn right here. He turned the corner and looked at his partner who was sluggishly plodding alongside him. “How about you, Buck? What d’you think about Zebby-Zeb?”
“I don’t know, really. I can’t remember him that well,” replied Buck, “but maybe I was just... falling... asleep...” The Skiddo yawned out the last few words as his eyes closed in preparation for a catnap. The Pokémon ground to a halt in the middle of the Generic Grey hallway, snoring gently.
“Hey now. No falling asleep when there’s a letter to be delivered,” said Owen, poking Buck’s nose with a folded-up sheet of paper. When the Skiddo started moving forward again the Lucario cleared his throat. “Okay. Final check. How does this sound like to you...” Owen squinted at his letter. “Dear Rookie,” he read.
“Sounds condescending.”
“Well, he is a newbie, right? ‘Congratulations on marathoning that mess of a mission. You’ve got Guts-- note the capital G-- and I like that in a ‘mon. I can tell you’re going to go far.'”
“I’m pretty sure he has Intimidate.”
“Quiet, you.”
“Well, you asked me for opinions...”
“Whatever. ‘I’m not sure if you remember this but I offered you a free training session with me when we met at Rudi’s. I’d like to extend that offer again and see what you’re made of. Signed, Owen, DIA.’ Eh? Is it good?”
“Did we really meet him? Was that even canon?”
“What are you even talking about? Of course it’s ‘canon’! You remember, don’t you? Zeb went for a walk with Maxwell and then we followed him and then Victoria hauled us back to Ben and then we had to respond to that Judoon thing...”
“Iunno, I was feeling sleepy back then...”
The Lucario executed the Double Facepaw Manoeuvre and muttered something to the effect of “Never mind.” He briskly marched towards RC 3-Apple-14’s door, crouched, and slid the letter under the door. Owen made his way back to Buck and gave the snoozing Mount Pokémon a quick tap on the horns. “All right, we’re done here. Let’s move.” -
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Huh. by
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Well, that was... not entirely unexpected.
Also: Hooray! Voldemort Junior, the greatest and most evil witch of all time, is dead for good! I guess the stories kinda acted liked Horcruxes for her: you had to kill each one before finishing her off.
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I... Huh, I didn't think about that. Weird. (nm) by
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Unintentional brilliance is still brilliance. (nm) by
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Personally, I prefer to use "Retroactively Intentional". (nm) by
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Actually... by
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Whoa. by
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And the Dark Lady shall mark her as her rival, for neither can live while the other survives...
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Heheh indeed. by
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This tickles my fancy. I love parallels.
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"A good story is one that doesn't finish at the end." (nm) by
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Totally stunned. by
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Just stealing this SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
To be honest, I was a bit worried at the end of the mission. But after reading the interlude - Very well done indeed. (Nesh says it much better than I can.)
I wish my agents were there to help with the cleanup. Alas, they aren't, and I'm not on spring break.
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Not really much to say but 'thank you'. :) (nm) by
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I am impressed. by
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SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
... Hopefully that's enough to fill up the preview space. Some of you, uh, didn't quite do that. ^^; Therefore, I was spoiled sufficiently that I got worried and spoiled myself fully by looking at the interlude first, just to see if I had understood correctly.
I had.
I was initially very concerned about Rina's transformation, considering how this particular plot device has been handled in the past. BUT! I am very pleased to say my concerns were unfounded. Iximaz, please accept my heartfelt congratulations for taking an old idea and making it better, faster, stronger than it was before. You really did your homework, and I found myself laughing several times after I'd finished reading and gone about my business as I realized exactly how long you've been planning this. I am very, very impressed.
My only real issue was the lack of closure for the Potterverse, but since Skarmory's setting up an interlude for just that purpose, I think it'll be okay. And heck, it makes sense. Your agents took a good and proper beating. They can't really be expected to handle it themselves. They've done enough, poor things!
I might suggest building up Rose Potter's growing awareness of the agents a bit more in the last few parts, though. She's pretty angry and confrontational with them when she spots them, but apart from one scene that I can recall (when she's telling the story of the graveyard to the Gryffindors), she hasn't really shown much awareness that anything is out of place in her world up until then, so it comes out of the blue a little.
Other than that, you've shown a great ability for planning things out and properly foreshadowing them, so again, my most hearty congratulations on a job well done! ^^
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Here, lemme c/p your thing. SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS.
I'd seen the agent-turned-Time Lord concept done before, and I really wanted to try my hand at it. I was, to be honest, terrified at how everyone would react... It seems my fears were unfounded as well. ^^;
I was originally going to have them take care of the cleanup before killing Rose, but that would seem a little bit too convenient.
And yes, I have been planning this from day one. ^w^ I'll go back and add references to Rose remembering the agents. Now that you mention it, yeah, it could have been elaborated upon a bit.
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on 2015-03-25 14:49:00 UTC
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The non-spoiler part first: hooray, she's dead! I just read 4-6 in four hours (between other things, don't worry), and the way Rose just kept building and building... yeah, that was quite a ride. Eesh.
Also: and here was me thinking one mission a week on Driftwood was high-speed writing...
And the spoilers. I'm gonna hand over to Morgan for this one.
Morgan drummed her fingers on her TARDIS' console, looking between the two messages. The Librarian's note had actually arrived before the Notary's, probably because the Notary had taken the time to add references in triplicate for everything she'd said.
"This is going to be fun for the Reader," Morgan said aloud. "At least I think she's still holding down Topaz Monitor, right? Though she didn't do much with that Ceka woman..."
She trailed off, then glanced around the TARDIS. "Right. No-one here. I need to get myself a companion." She eyed the Librarian's message, then pulled up the ICEP address book. "Dives, Rina... partnered with Zeb. So at least she's got that covered."
Morgan drummed her fingers again, then abruptly closed all three windows and pulled the lever to open the doors. "The D.O.R.K.S.," she muttered as she headed out, "always the D.O.R.K.S. We should've had that thing banned ages back..."
Morgan is available for conversations, and promises not to bite. Unless the Guardsman is mentioned.
And now I have to run. ^_^
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I take it... by
on 2015-03-25 15:36:00 UTC
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...that Morgan is still angry at the Guardsman?
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Of course. ^_^ by
on 2015-03-25 16:58:00 UTC
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She's not gonna take kindly to someone saying "her" Council shouldn't exist. And this is her confrontational incarnation - she has a very hard time backing down from a fight, even when it stems from her own blatant overreactions.
Really, Lily got her spot on when she paired "I don't do scared" with "Your hands are shaking" back in Blackout: Generic Surface.
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Spoilery response to the spoilery response by
on 2015-03-25 15:00:00 UTC
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Harry, gimme some room here!
Wait for it...
Considering how the D.O.R.K.S. has beenabused for this purpose so many times (What, four now?), I'm surprised the Flowers haven't locked the Time Lord disguise save for Whoniverse missions. Don't want their agents getting too OP.
And I'm just imagining how that conversation would start:
"You're Morgan?"
"Yes, can I help you?"
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... Whoa. by
on 2015-03-25 14:01:00 UTC
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*insert generic clapping gif here because the one I wanted to post has already been used*
Congratulations on killing this thing! I... Don't think I have any gifts that are good enough for you. But at least, please take this fully realistic hologram of a kitten and a puppy playing together. The best kind of eye bleach I could find.
Also, good luck on the cleanup team. :P
SPOILERS AHEAD!
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on 2015-03-25 14:05:00 UTC
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*coos over puppy and kitty* D'awww, they're so cute!
Gonna take a leaf out of everyone else's book and give myself a few lines.
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Anyway, yeah, I've seen the concept of agents turning into Time Lords done before, but I never saw the consequences of such a thing happening. Glad you think it was handled okay... I went ahead and posted last night because if I'd waited, I'd have lost my nerve. ^^; -
Oh, dear gods. by
on 2015-03-25 10:15:00 UTC
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Your poor, poor Agents. *just hugs them forever*
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They can certainly use the hugs... (nm) by
on 2015-03-25 13:27:00 UTC
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I could send my Potterverse Agent round... by
on 2015-03-25 13:51:00 UTC
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He'd be happy to give them some company and reassurance.
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Hey, interludes are fun! (nm) by
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I'm willing to get together and chat about that. :D by
on 2015-03-25 17:46:00 UTC
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my email address is cassieDOTdramateacherATgooglemailDOTcom
or you can skype me, under cassie5squared :)
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Wow. That's...wow. by
on 2015-03-25 03:34:00 UTC
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(Also, best Harry Potter GIF ever!)
Congratulations! Even though I probably just got a bunch of spoilers for Half-blood Prince!
Oh yeah, speaking of which...
SPOILERS AHOY! BEWARE! BEWARE!
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I don't quite understand why you decided to make Rina a Time Lady via Zeb and the DORKS. For one thing, I thought the DORKS was basically a portable disguise generator and any changes wore off when you returned to HQ. For another...convenient transformation is oddly convenient. I almost wanna call borderline Sue on Rina, but since she's you and we don't insult authors here, I won't.
Zeb, if you're reading this, I really hope you know what you got yourself into, buddy. *gives basket full of berries and Poffins* -
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on 2015-03-25 12:57:00 UTC
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Well, I approve of the change. It's grounded in canon, as others mentioned, and as long as there are consequences - I think the interlude's an example - I think the change is fine. Is it special? Definitely. Is it Speshul? I don't think so.
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SPOILERIFFIC REPLY! by
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Typing a few lines here so nobody stumbles across something ahead of time. Read the mission, it's good. Really!
Adding another line.
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SPOILERS INCOMING! TURN BACK OR FOREVER BE SPOILED!
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That was my initial response to this whole thing as well. To be honest... I was very against it. The original plan was to have the agents be tortured and forced into FicPsych for a while, but Iximaz said she didn't feel like she could write that comfortably. When she told me she was going to kill off Rina and do this... I basically tried everything in the book to try and change her mind.
However... I have changed my mind on it. I still don't really like it, but I trust Iximaz as an author and I know that she will make it the best story it can possibly be. I've seen some of the things she has planned for Rina in the future, and it's good. To be perfectly clear, this transformation is NOT a good thing as a whole. There are so many problems that come with it. This is the price she has to pay for saving her life. Loss of self, and loss of normalcy. Basically... just wait. I promise that you won't be disappointed.
(Oh, and the Disguise Generator and DORKS change agent biology according to canon. If you're dying and disguised as a Time Lord, you're going to regenerate. No going back. You can become human again with the Disguise Generator, but it's temporary. Time Lord becomes your new default.) -
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on 2015-03-25 03:45:00 UTC
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There are, actually, a few PPC precedents: Tawaki and Tadkeeta. I wouldn't have thought they'd work like that, either, but the disguises are the real deal, even dating back to ToS, when Jay and Acacia became Ents.
I am planning on lampshading the borderline Sue thing in my next mission, by the way. And hey, call 'em like you see 'em! Rina stopped being me quite a while ago, and even if she hadn't, don't hold back, mm-kay? :)
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Holy. Flock. by
on 2015-03-25 03:22:00 UTC
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Not only did I not expect you to finish so soon, but the finale and the aftermath were just... wow. I'd comment on the whole lot of it, but I fear for spoilers.
Anyway, congrats on finishing off the whole damn thing! And y'know, maybe I should write an interlude with Rayner and E.V.L. helping to clean up after this whole mess and learning about what happened. Heck, maybe we could write it together (with my agents happening upon Zeb and volunteering), just to round out the whole damn thing and tie off any remaining loose ends!
As a reward for your bravery, I'd like for Rina to have a scimitar forged from a Skarmory feather and for Zeb to have a Razor Fang! Falchion sends his regards for both. ;) -
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Thank you very much. I can honestly say the main reason I went ahead and posted tonight is that I would have lost my nerve at the last moment- not good considering I've been planning this from the start.
Your agents can totally be on the team who came in to take care of the cleanup! In fact, there are so many replaced/possessed characters that I think just about anyone who asks could join in. ^^; I apologize for my own agents' inability to finish the job.
Rina's busy sleeping, but Zeb sends his thanks. :) -
I'd like to write something... by
on 2015-03-25 03:46:00 UTC
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But I can only use the notepad app on my phone. I'd have to e-mail it to someone, and they'd have to post it.
But before I can do that, I need to finalize the interlude introducing Sigma. Not that he'd be much help in the Harry Potter universe... he'll probably gripe about that the entire time. *Seventy years of dedicated work by the greatest minds of my universe is what it took to get to me, and here I am waiting for a half-mad zombie and a temperamental scorpion to get done so I can go back to reading Freud.* -
Good to know! I'll PM you tonight! (nm) by
on 2015-03-25 03:36:00 UTC
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I won't be able to respond until morning, jsyk. (nm) by
on 2015-03-25 03:50:00 UTC
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Part 6? I haven't even seen Part 5 yet! by
on 2015-03-25 02:58:00 UTC
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Must go check that out; I only finished Part 4...I think it was today? I've been mostly reading them on the bus (and off the bus, too). Many compliments should come your way :) I've also noticed the occasional typo or the like (quite understandable), but reading on a phone on a bus doesn't really lend itself to noting them down. I'm pretty sure Part 4 had a case of 'ws' instead of 'was'; that's probably the easiest to find.
Seriously, Ix, I've been sitting on this for a while now, and you should know: your PPC writing is really very good, and I enjoy reading it (this is for Rose Potter and also for that Tonks' daughter mission you did just before). I mean, RP does start to drag a little in some places, but I think that's mostly to do with the source material. So. Well done. You are awesome, especially for all the Rose Potter missions.
...which I shall now catch up on. Wow. I am very impressed by the fact you've finished themand the short timeframe is making me both o.O and suspicious, how did you manage that?and basically, yes, Part 5 here I come.
/hands Swiss Bleepolate/ You probably need rather a lot of that...
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O-O by
on 2015-03-25 03:17:00 UTC
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Heh, well, if you really must know my secrets, I
sold my soulam on spring break and I've been waking up the last few days in the 4:30-7:00 range to write. Not on purpose, mind you; my brain just got me up and refused to let me stop.
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I can attest to the inhuman speed. by
on 2015-03-25 03:34:00 UTC
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For part 5 in particular, I was doing a beta check as she was writing it, and refreshing every few moments... it was insane the amount of text that would pop up on every refresh. Do not underestimate Iximaz when you mess with her favorite canons and she has a ton of free time.
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*sharpens teeth with spork* (nm) by
on 2015-03-25 03:54:00 UTC
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Speaking as Ix's Epsilon... by
on 2015-03-25 11:39:00 UTC
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I can also certify that she is a machine. A mad, brave, occasionally terrifying machine. =]
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But... by
on 2015-03-25 20:17:00 UTC
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Is she better then Civilization 5 with the Brave New World expansion pack?
((INTERNET DRAMA & SVU REFERENCES, WOO!)) -
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on 2015-03-28 01:24:00 UTC
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The reference must have gone over my head.
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GamerGate by
on 2015-03-28 02:23:00 UTC
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I... Really don't want to get into it if I can avoid it. Let's just say, SVU had an episode recently about a serial killer/rapist using online games to find victims. The entire episode was very poorly written, to say the least. One of the funner lines was, "I read on Kotaku that [World of Warcraft clone] is better then Civilization 5 with the Brave New World expansion!"
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YOU ARE ASKING ME TO CHOOSE BETWEEN CHILDREN (nm) by
on 2015-03-25 21:44:00 UTC
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O_O by
on 2015-03-25 02:01:00 UTC
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Uh...
Can't say I expected this outcome. At all.
I applaud you for your success in this endeavor. -
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on 2015-03-25 03:22:00 UTC
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I'd like to introduce the term 'Rowling's Principle of Obvious Foreshadowing'. Remember in Part 2 how blatantly they discussed the subject of agents turning into Time Lords? But nobody expects the outcome because, not only was it completely spelled out, it was too outlandish to contemplate. :3
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Response from RC 211 by
on 2015-03-25 03:38:00 UTC
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Three gift baskets may or may not show up at Rina and Zeb's RC door.
The first is from Valon: it contains the complete works of Disturbed, Device and Halestorm; the first three volumes of Monster Musume, and a +6 vorpal shovel that he probably pilfered from one of his own game worlds.
The second is from Kala: six pounds of coffee (she forgot that non-arachnid things don't get drunk on it), a pint of her paralytic venom, and the shed shell of one of her pincers.
The last is from Sigma. The only thing in there is a set of RA coordinates in the Mega Man X continuum, and a typewritten note saying "Enjoy your catastrophe."
Sigma probably found out about Rina and Zeb's mission and convinced the other two to help him congratulate them. -
Good Lord! I never thought you got time for that! by
on 2015-03-25 01:59:00 UTC
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As it was promised, here's the reward for finishing this horrendous voyage:
1) A fully charged Deputy Green Lantern Ring, but that cannot be re-charged, with only one charge and will turn to dust once it's used up.
2) A Kryptonian DNA-based empowering pill from the Injustice: The Regime DCU sub-continuum, increases your physical might by 10,000 times for 24 hours.
May they be of use for all your endeavors, Agents Rina Dives and Zeb... *tips hat and dissappears into the shadows* -
*accepts gifts* They shall be cherished always. (nm) by
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Some numbers, before I read. by
on 2015-03-25 01:41:00 UTC
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I just finished copying all of the mission parts into one document. This mission is, when all compiled together: 201 pages, and 78,291 words long.
Iximaz, I want you to take a good, long look at those numbers. This mission is longer than The Philosopher's Stone. Iximaz, I want you to look at those numbers, and realize what you have done. You have, essentially, wrote a novel. In a little over a month. This is a major accomplishment.
As I said before, I will be reading all of it tonight, and commenting on it tomorrow. I will be sure to be on the final doc tomorrow to congratulate and discuss how it all went. However, no matter what I think, no matter how well received this mission is, I want you to know how proud of you I am. I envy your speed and skill as a writer, and I look forward to whatever else you write.
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on 2015-03-25 01:45:00 UTC
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That's... Kind of amazing. Wow.
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Say, that wordcount... by
on 2015-03-25 03:31:00 UTC
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Is that with or without the author's notes?
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Nope! Not even the first one. (nm) by
on 2015-03-25 04:08:00 UTC
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And this took me about forty days. by
on 2015-03-25 04:12:00 UTC
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RPPS took about five days to write and from the day of posting it to today was thirty-five, if I counted right.
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Well Done by
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And finally have your drink of choice metaphorically on me. -
Just in time by
on 2015-03-25 01:18:00 UTC
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Here's a dump truck I "acquired". It is full of Bleeprin. From what I understand you probably need it now.
And by "acquired" I mean borrowed with every intention of returning. But the garage I borrowed it from collapsed when something that was most definitely not the dump truck I was st...borrowing.
Now I will actually go through and read the whole series in the next few days.
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Rina + Bleeproduce is a bad idea. by
on 2015-03-25 01:20:00 UTC
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Allergic to aspirin, poor dear.
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She's allergic to bleach, too. (nm) by
on 2015-03-25 03:35:00 UTC
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There's a remedy for that by
on 2015-03-25 01:26:00 UTC
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Well...I happened to "stumble" upon this tanker of "brain" bleach. Though I must warn you it may have some nasty side effects. Like melting your insides. But it should clear the pain.
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You seem to "stumble" across a lot of stuff by
on 2015-03-25 01:28:00 UTC
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Is their a trans dimensional portal in your backyard spitting all this stuff out?
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Sure lets go with that by
on 2015-03-25 01:32:00 UTC
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Sure there is like the Cardiff Rift. Its a Rift in Space and Time. Its not like I steal them from from the places of business or anything. And I certainly don't hire someone to acquire these things for me. Nope not at all.
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Brain Bleach is a component of Bleep. (nm) by
on 2015-03-25 01:28:00 UTC
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Explain the joke by
on 2015-03-25 01:29:00 UTC
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The joke was it was real bleach. Also I thought it was the Asprin that was the problem not the Bleach part
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Nope, it's the bleach part. by
on 2015-03-25 01:32:00 UTC
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The ironic part is that regular bleach doesn't affect me, but Brain Bleach... Eugh. Yeah, I try to stay away from it.
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Good thing the tanker was real bleach then... by
on 2015-03-25 01:34:00 UTC
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Or this would be particularly awkward.
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Not really making a good case for myself here... by
on 2015-03-25 01:38:00 UTC
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I think I'll just take that tanker someplace safe, like
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VERY bad idea. by
on 2015-03-25 01:22:00 UTC
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Anything Bleep-related sends her into anaphylactic shock. You might want to move that truck...
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Excuse me then by
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While I go
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I thought I told you exactly 12:00 by
on 2015-03-25 01:16:00 UTC
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It's official, you're free cookie rights have been revoked.
Also, yay! More Rina and Zeb! (I love them
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That's a bit harsh... by
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But now I also know what to do with the truck full of fresh baked cookies I
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Feel free to eat them by
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but none for Iximaz. Punctuality is key, earliness is EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLL!
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X FILES FANS REJOICE! by
on 2015-03-25 12:37:00 UTC
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Fox has anounced that the X-Files will return as a 6 Part Miniseries, with Gillian Anderson and David Duchovny reprising their roles. Fellow X-Philes, please join me in a giant fangasam.
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Well, that'll be interesting. by
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I'm curious, though - won't it be a little... out of its time? The X-Files was very much a product of the era when 'UFO' and 'alien' were supernatural, or at best pseudoscientific, terms - we watched the entire first series in a week a few months ago, and I started twitching every time Mulder did one of his 'your human science can't hope to understand'... y'know, space flight, or genetics, or whatever easy-to-understand scientific concept he was going on about at the time... speeches.
But I... think we're out of that period now? Aren't we? The idea of aliens and suchlike is something which TV has shown we can study, not just wave our hands in the air and proclaim 'IT IS A MYSTERY'. No?
(Of course, it may well have gotten 'out of its time' and adapted to that during the original run. Series 1 is the only one I've seen any significant chunks of.)
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I really would like to see the series updated for the modern paranormal mythos. It'd be interesting to see what they'd do with a world that now contains creepypastas, neurological pseudoscience, and so on.
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Well, personally... by
on 2015-03-25 17:41:00 UTC
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I'd wager that it'd be stuff we can't understand with modern science showing up. Clarke's Law may well be in full effect for it.
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Hwaaaat? by
on 2015-03-25 16:09:00 UTC
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How the heck did they talk David Duchovny into that? I had the impression that he was happily done with the whole thing. Was I wrong? Or maybe they're just paying him a ridiculous amount of money...
Still, I'll be interested to see if this is any good. {= )
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On an unrelated note by
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I found a repost of the infamously bad "Naruto Veangance Revelaitons"
http://narutoveangancerevelaitons.blogspot.com/
I know this is a confirmed Troll fic, but do you think it would be missionable? It might actually be to extreme for us to cover.
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Requesting betas by
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Hey all! So I've written the interlude that introduces Sigma.EXE.
The thing is, I had to write it on my phone, so if anyone takes me up on this, I'll have to e-mail it directly to you.
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Sigma.EXE? by
on 2015-03-25 18:31:00 UTC
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Please tell me that isn't the Battle Network version of The Big Bad of the Megaman X series. Because that would be a terrible idea. Is that what this character is?
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Can I have your e-mail address? I'd rather my bad ideas be shot down before they approach completion. I do still want a NetNavi agent, and I actually have 48 options to choose from, if I'm going with Robot Masters that weren't translated to Battle Network. You do seem to know a fair bit about the series, so I'd like your help in ironing this out.
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I'm confused. by
on 2015-03-27 10:28:00 UTC
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At least, I hope I'm confused.
It sounds like you're trying to make an agent of a specific species, without much caring about their personality. Which... is pretty backwards. That's not how you create a character people will be interested in - particularly in the PPC, where they'll spend most of every mission in a disguise anyway. Species - and abilities in general - do not make for interesting characters; personality does that.
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The thing about NetNavis by
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They don't have a physical body; they ONLY exist as software. A Navi agent wouldn't need a disguise, since they'd be hanging around in one of the computerized pieces of equipment used by PPC agents.
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... the point was that doesn't matter if your character is a human, sentient software or a living drop of glue, the important part of the character is its personality, goals and way of thinking, who it is instead of what it is, and it looks like you only care about the "what".
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Well... by
on 2015-03-27 14:49:00 UTC
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I do want a NetNavi agent, but I am going to try to actually give them a personality.
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Do. Or do not. There is no try. (nm) by
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And anyway... by
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I'm actually not going to even start writing one until I have like 40% of the concept. So far, I have "is a NetNavi", and that's like 5%. The rest is more important things like skills, personality, moral and ethical beliefs, appearance, and character history.
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Except... by
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... you've said things like this:
I actually have 48 options to choose from, if I'm going with Robot Masters that weren't translated to Battle Network.
Which, unless I'm dramatically misreading, means 'I want this species of agent, but haven't decided which of 48 presumably highly diverse canon characters I want to crib from'. Which... should've been like the first question you asked yourself?
Oh wait, you did. You chose the one Phobos describes like this:
He is a terrorist, a murderer, and a tyrant. In the Megaman X series, he becomes an unkillable virus who not only infects every Reploid he can, but also got his programming added into all the new Reploids they were making, so he can come back a near infinite number of times.
Were you planning to use that personality and moral system? And... do you see what I'm trying to say about this whole thing?
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Kinda. by
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I know I'm still being stubborn and dumb. Right now, I'm debating whether or not I should bother with this, or just drop it and let a better writer try.
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Not 'why do you want a whatever-species agent' - why do you want a new agent, in addition to what you've got? What gap in your writing is it intended to fill?
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I kinda had a Freudian trio in mind. by
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Valon as the id, Kala as the ego (though their roles seem to be reversing), and the new agent as the superego.
It goes a bit beyond that, though. I basically wanted three interdependent agents with different specialties, where losing one hampers the others' ability to finish the mission.
Valon is the canon expert. Lose him, and it's more difficult to spot canon breaks.
Kala is the fighter. Subduing a Sue gets a lot harder without her strength and venom.
The third agent I had in mind would be a technical expert. Without them, Valon and Kala are stuck for any knowledge that's not related to canon or fighting.
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I look forward to the tales of Agent Penis.
Mother.
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Not gonna lie. by
on 2015-03-27 22:02:00 UTC
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I'd pay money for someone to write this.
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I can help! Sort of. by
on 2015-03-27 15:22:00 UTC
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I'm not familiar with the Mega Man franchise outside of Smash Bros., but I think I can research enough to aid in brainstorming and such. As usual, we can discuss this by e-mail if you like.
Though you might want to wait until your currently existing agents have a few missions done already before introducing the guy. Don't wanna introduce too many characters too quickly, after all. -
I did try to stop you, you know. {= P (nm) by
on 2015-03-26 23:09:00 UTC
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My email by
on 2015-03-26 21:39:00 UTC
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baridthetroll(at)gmail(dot)com
The usual substitutions apply of course.
-Phobos -
Sorta-kinda. by
on 2015-03-25 18:45:00 UTC
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I actually do have an explanation for this character: Technically, he doesn't exist in the MMBN canon, so he's essentially an OC. He COULD exist, though, thus appearing here. His origin is similar to Zero.EXE: He used to be a lesser virus, but stabilized into a Navi-type form.
I kinda don't want to try and make a new character from scratch. I do want to use a NetNavi, but it took weeks of thought to get Sigma to where he is right now. Also, I've kinda already used him in the Purim RP.
You can check what I've written if you wish, but just know that I am very, very stubborn and unlikely to change my mind without a really compelling argument. -
So...wait... by
on 2015-03-25 19:20:00 UTC
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You don't want to think up your own character, so you are borrowing SIGMA?
He is a terrorist, a murderer, and a tyrant. In the Megaman X series, he becomes an unkillable virus who not only infects every Reploid he can, but also got his programming added into all the new Reploids they were making, so he can come back a near infinite number of times. How is it a good idea to let him loose in the PPC, where he can get access to any technologically advanced world he pleases?
Seriously, think about that. If you are writing him even remotely close to in-character, you are unleashing a computerized terrorist on every world that has the internet. This is a VERY BAD IDEA.
On another point, I don't like the attitude you've taken in regards to this whole thing. You've basically told me, and everyone else who might ever work with you that you are lazy (I kinda don't want to try and make a new character from scratch.) and won't listen to what they suggest (You can check what I've written if you wish, but just know that I am very, very stubborn and unlikely to change my mind without a really compelling argument.). So, no, I don't want to look over what you have if you are going to act like that. It is unprofessional, and the kind of thing we point to with badfic writers. Think about that.
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Ow, ow and also ow. by
on 2015-03-25 19:54:00 UTC
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That stung. Quite a bit.
*sigh* Alright. Consider this idea scrapped. Off to the idea graveyard with it. Hopefully it doesn't come back as a Pathfinder god.
So... I suppose I'll have to think up my own NetNavi. Either I use a Robot Master that was never translated to MMBN, or I try to devise an original Navi.
Of course my primary Navi OC is even less controllable than Sigma.EXE. No HorrorMan. -
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I could abandon the concept of a NetNavi agent entirely. At this point, that might be a better idea.
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Um... by
on 2015-03-25 17:38:00 UTC
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Could you guys provide an e-mail address when you respond?
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I would be happy to take a look. (nm) by
on 2015-03-25 17:14:00 UTC
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Happy to take a look! =] by
on 2015-03-25 16:36:00 UTC
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Fair warning: we don't appear to share many fandoms, so I can only act in a SPaG-checking capacity. =]
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I require your e-mail address. (nm) by
on 2015-03-25 16:44:00 UTC
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Here! by
on 2015-03-25 17:36:00 UTC
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mwamamenuptra at that mail service with the seventh letter of the alphabet in front of it dot com.
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Re: Here! by
on 2015-03-25 17:42:00 UTC
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It says the e-mail address doesn't exist. Did I spell it right? Mwamamenuptra?
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Mwamenuptra by
on 2015-03-25 18:02:00 UTC
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It was an ancient city that... apparently I can't spell either.
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Sure by
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My email is richardhednil@gmail.com
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All's Well That Ends Well - Anyone willing to join? by
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In the aftermath of Iximaz's Rose Potter mission, she and I have discussed how to handle the clean-up job, and we've agreed that I could lend her a hand. Therefore, I've set up a new interlude with Rayner and E.V.L., and anyone with DMS agents (and maaaaybe agents from the DF or DIA) is cordially invited to join! You might want to read the actual Rose Potter mission first, though, so you can understand what's going on.
Please send me an e-mail at skarmorysilver at gmail dot com (subbing punctuation as needed) if you're interested in undoing all of the carnage that Rose inflicted upon the good people of Hogwarts, and I'll gladly send you the GDocs file! :) -
All right, count me in. by
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Or rather, count Derik and Gall in. They can even bring Fellrazer in a Potterverse dragon disguise for easy replacement disposal, iff'n that suits everyone. I know they'd enjoy it. {= )
E-mail on the way.
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I suppose I should provide a list. by
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Canons who need to be exorcised/neuralysed
Ron Weasley
Arthur Weasley
Percy Weasley
Barty Crouch Jr.
Fleur Delacour
Dolores Umbridge
Narcissa Malfoy
Minor canons who only showed up for a few lines
Replacements/OCs that need to be killed
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on 2015-03-25 23:42:00 UTC
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After all, there are those two uncanon forests that need to be burned down...
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I've got a DOGA team! by
on 2015-03-27 03:53:00 UTC
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Namely, T'Zar and...her current partner seems to be Flash, actually. She hasn't been introduced officially yet, but that's not really an issue--I know her fairly well already, as she comes from original fiction I've been working on since 2009.
Anyway. Yes. My DOGA team of a Vulcan and a French ex-thief volunteers for Pyro duty.
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Final note, hopefully by
on 2015-03-26 01:59:00 UTC
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The replacement Dumbledore has the Elder Wand and is willing to use the Unforgivables, so whoever takes him on, watch out. Cerelian was also stated to be very powerful, so be careful with her, too. {=-)
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What about the DMFF? by
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Seems a shame to burn mellyrn if we can send them home instead. I have no qualms about burning Ardgarten or whatever it's called, though, not to mention the Glen in the Forbidden Forest.
Re. uncanon!Dumbledore, let's remember that he can't use the Elder Wand if he's disarmed. It doesn't have to be a big showdown. Someone will have a Muggle-use wand on them at least, surely?
As for Cerelian, we might be able to throw her off by dropping her in the middle of London or some other big city. Not only would she be removed from nature, the Druids are so super-secretive, she ought to be discouraged from fighting back too hard in the middle of a crowd of Muggles, right?
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Good points. ^^; (nm) by
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Hey, I'm asking, not telling. {= ) by
on 2015-03-26 04:20:00 UTC
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As far as I'm concerned, you have executive authority over this rodeo. Rose Potter is your mission; our guys are just humble janitors here to make sure things are up to code in your agents' absence.
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Well, how they go about it... by
on 2015-03-26 04:27:00 UTC
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is entirely up to whoever is assigned to which canons. I figured this would be taking place while my agents were in Medical; the only part they'd really play would be Zeb passing on a list of canons that can be rescued.
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I really can't not be involved, considering... by
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Consider Agents Wobbles and Notary at your disposal. Just, er, don't let Wobbles touch any of the electronics. =]
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Ooh! by
on 2015-03-25 16:11:00 UTC
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I volunteer Lana, Narav, and possibly Riaa'lzhor. All three are DMS agents.
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It's like this I wish I had permission by
on 2015-03-25 15:13:00 UTC
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Someday... *looks off into the distance*
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Due to personal issues, I am departing from the PPC. (nm) by
on 2015-03-25 16:40:00 UTC
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You'll be Missed. Good Luck. (nm) by
on 2015-03-26 21:22:00 UTC
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Farewell. (nm) by
on 2015-03-26 19:29:00 UTC
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Take care, then! (nm) by
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*offers a last plate of SPaGhetti* Take care, you hear? (nm) by
on 2015-03-25 17:33:00 UTC
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Hope things work out for you, farewell (nm) (nm) by
on 2015-03-25 17:21:00 UTC
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Sorry to hear that. *farewell hug* (nm) by
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Hogwarts Exposed is MINE! by
on 2015-03-25 20:59:00 UTC
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If there's one thing that will motivate me to get Permission, it's knowing that I'll be able to take down the self-serving, paedophilic mess that calls itself the Hogwarts Exposed series.
So... I guess... You have been warned? Or informed. Yeah, that's the one.
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Let me know if you could use help. by
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I had plans for a possible story arc leading up to having to handle Hogwarts Exposed, so I'd be happy to chip in.
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I don't think I'm familiar with those fics... by
on 2015-03-26 19:34:00 UTC
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...but they sound horrific.
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Glad to see someone is sporking that mess. by
on 2015-03-25 23:56:00 UTC
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Good luck in your endeavor. Remember to bring lots of Bleeprin!
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Mini-Interlude and RP invite! by
on 2015-03-26 00:25:00 UTC
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I Need a Freaking Drink
Turns out, the aftereffects of Rose Potter haven't quite been explored fully. Who's up for Rudi's? World-Jumper's thread has gone almost silent, so why not pick it back up again? -
Uh, um, ehrm by
on 2015-03-30 21:52:00 UTC
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Can someone please help me make sense of what's going on? I wanted to drop Navare and Amris in, but then my Internet derped and the RP kinda... ballooned. Help?
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At this point... by
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You can probably just plop them in wherever you like. The RP got kind of chaotic. ^^;
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Ginger and Alloy enter, semi-accidentally... by
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"But, Ginger," Alloy is saying, "you are not old enough!"
Ginger laughs. "And *I'm* the Hermione replacement? 'Sides, I'm old enough for a witch!"
"You are?" Alloy asks. She looks around. "Oh, my. We seem to be in a bar."
"Nice observation," Ginger says dryly. "Oh, hey! That girl over with all those people might have strawberries for hair, but she's pretty cute!"
"Ginger!" Alloy blushes -- she is, after all, from an anime continuumn -- and lightly smacks Ginger's shoulder. "Do not be rude!"
"It's not like I'm going up to her and saying 'Hi, I think you're cute!' She's already surrounded by people, anyway."
"That is no reason to be rude, Ginger."
Ginger shrugs. "Fine. Be all proper if you want. I'm gonna go introduce myself." She walks up to Rina's table and eyes the crowd. "Seems like half the bar is here." Eventually, she finds an opening. "Hey!" she shouts over the noise of the bar. "My name's Ginger! Who're you?"
Alloy starts towards the table herself, fearing what sort of trouble her more social partner might get into.
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Ginger and Alloy enter, arguing as usual... by
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"But, Ginger," Alloy is saying, "you are not old enough!"
Ginger laughs. "And *I'm* the Hermione replacement? 'Sides, I'm old enough for a witch!"
"You are?" Alloy asks. She looks around. "Oh, my. We seem to be in a bar."
"Nice observation," Ginger says dryly. "Oh, hey! That girl might have strawberries for hair, but she's pretty cute!"
"Ginger!" Alloy blushes -- she is, after all, from an anime continuumn -- and lightly smacks Ginger's shoulder. "Do not be rude!"
"It's not like I'm going up to her and saying 'Hi, I think you're cute!' I'm not what's-her-name I keep hearing about!"
Ginger, walking absentmindedly towards the subject of her conversation, nearly runs into her. "Oops. Sorry." She grins. "Name's Ginger. Who're you?" -
Psst. by
on 2015-03-28 18:54:00 UTC
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There's a link to the RP.
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Oops. >_ by
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After reading the article... by
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The Department of Fictional Psychology staff have a little whip-around to assemble the following gift basket:
- A selection of the finest teas, because tea is a cure-all, it's canon.
- A bottle of reannual wine. (Make sure to drink after you experience the hangover to avoid a paradox.)
- A large mason jar of Generic Fantasy Ale.
- A PADD full of soothing music from across the Federation.
- An assortment of the finest French chocolates.
- An industrial-sized jar of Bleeprin. (For Zeb.)
- One bottle each of Pink Stuff and Purple Stuff. (For Rina; use wisely, you don't want to know how they got the Purple Stuff.)
- Several pieces of fruit. Because there are always several pieces of fruit. May or may not be wax.
It is delivered to RC 3-Apple-14 by a very large green orc and a Wrath Cadet. The latter apologizes for any teeth marks that may have been left in the orange by the former.
Enjoy!
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Some indeterminate hores later... by
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Zeb woke, sniffing curiously. "Do I smell Bleep-stuffs?" he asked hopefully, raising his head to look at Rina, who was in the bathroom and apparently making faces at her new reflection.
"Yeah, the entirety of FicPsych sent a gift basket, can you believe it?" she replied, quickly pulling her tongue back behind her teeth and pointing at the coffee table.
Zeb looked and would have raised his eyebrows if he'd been a human. "Wow, that's... that was very nice of them," he said softly.
"Isn't it, though?" Rina said, smiling. "I wonder if Nurse Jenni had anything to do with this. Nice lady. Wish they hadn't gone overboard with the alcohol, though. I don't like the stuff and apparently can't get drunk anyway now unless I try really, really hard."
Zeb gave a half-shrug. "Well, there's certainly quite a lot of it, from what I can smell," he said, spearing something that looked like a Pecha Berry with a foreclaw and sniffing it. It smelled very similar to Pecha Berries, so he popped it in his mouth. "Oh, that is good."
"Try the oranges, they're also fantastic," Rina advised. "And remind me to send a thank-you note later. This is just... wow, you know?"
"Bit overwhelming, yeah," Zeb agreed, gnawing on the pit in the center of the Pecha lookalike. "Mm, this is really good."
Rina laughed and came over to sit next to him, grabbing the giant jar of ale from the basket and opening it. "Let's see how much of a lightweight new me is, shall we?" -
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The Pink Stuff is mostly Potterverse Euphoria Elixir with a little bit of Romulan Ale mixed in. This is apparently enough to make it extremely potent to humans, so it ought to work even on Gallifreyan physiology, IMO. And, as long as she makes sure to take some Purple Stuff afterwards, she won't even have to suffer the awful hangover. They were being very generous for the sake of the young heroine who can't use Bleepstuff. {= )
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I know, she's just saving the good stuff for later. by
on 2015-03-28 03:56:00 UTC
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Two livers, man. You can't even get a nice buzz going with basic alcohol. Not that it'll keep her from trying. ^^;
Kids, don't try this at home, especially if you're below drinking age wherever you live.
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Gack! Hours, that should be hours! (nm) by
on 2015-03-28 03:18:00 UTC
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IÂ’m tempted. by
on 2015-03-26 10:08:00 UTC
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Are there enough Time-Lords at Rudi’s to justify some wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff dragging Androia in from the future? She is a druid and may like to talk about nudistic druids and protecting forests. But I’m at the office and have work to do.
BTW:
It might be worth looking into, counterspells for that kind of thing.
I don’t think that this comma should be there.
...but when Fitzgerald was running his scans, he said I’m now physically sixteen...
I’m confused. Isn’t Rina supposed to be eighteen?
((Don’t look at the other board don’t look at the other board don’t look at the other board...))
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Psst. You want extra incentive? I'm bringing in a draenei. (nm) by
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IÂ’m sorry, but another Rose has to die. by
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Androia can’t visit Rudi’s. We have other priorities. (Still promoting the workshop.)
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Aw, come on jump in! by
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The more, the merrier and all that!
Gack, comma, will edit ASAP!
She's biologically eighteen, but her new body is physically sixteen. Woo-hoo. She should just be glad she didn't turn six. Or into a boy. That might have been a bit too much for her to handle. -
"What the HELL is that?" by
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Zeb stared blankly, trying not to look down. "Rina, I-"
"This is totally unacceptable! I mean, seriously, what is with this thing! What the hell is it? Why is it here?"
"Have you considered taking a biology class-" Zeb ducked to avoid a ballistic potted ficus. "Well then. I see your temper's improved."
Rina just growled. "You know what I mean. Just - just LOOK at it!"
"I would prefer to look at quite literally anything else."
It was at this point a third party entered into proceedings.
"Hm. I see your little sojourn with Rose Potter has given you startling new insight into the world of clothing."
"Screw you, Notary." -
...Should I even ask? :P (nm) by
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Well, you said Rina was she'd get gender-swapped (nm) by
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*scared she'd get (nm) by
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Ooh, RP. by
on 2015-03-26 07:21:00 UTC
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I'll be jumping in, if you don't mind.
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That threads really longÂ… Where do I start on it? (nm) by
on 2015-03-26 03:34:00 UTC
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At the top. (nm) by
on 2015-03-26 04:11:00 UTC
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Can I jump in? (nm) by
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Yeah, no Permission necessary! (nm) by
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Yaaaay! *runs like crazy, waving his hands around* (nm) by
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anybody want to read something? by
on 2015-03-26 09:49:00 UTC
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Because I have a 40K fanfic that I've been writing off and on for a while, and I might want to turn it into a new actual project. If it sucks, I'll finish it so I can spork it at some point. If I can't spork my own fic, then it's up for grabs.
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Hm, interesting. by
on 2015-03-27 17:48:00 UTC
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I'm only mildly familiar with WH40K, so I probably won't be able to catch the finer points, but I'd love to read a WH40K fic. Mail is sur DOT nhm AT gmail DOT com.
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I'm not familiar with the universe by
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But I would be willing to read through it sometime next week. I have a few other projects I need to do first. If you want me to take a look at it, if you could provide a short post kind of giving the bare-bones of the Warhammer Universe, so I have something to start my Wiki Run on, I would be happy to take a look at it.
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Bare-bones? Got it. by
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40K is THE crappiest place to live. The good guys are either The Imperium of Man, who are basically catholic space-Nazis. The other good guys are The Tau Empire, and they are basically communist space-Nazis. You should look up the Imperial guard, the Space Marines and the Orks, as well. The bad guys are mass murdering evil cultists, and the comic relief are the Orks, who are like Football Hooligans in space. They also kill lots of people. Eternal war, evil gods, evil Eldar. Oh, and paperwork takes so long to be filed that you will be dead before your birth certificate ever gets filed. Yeah, did I mention it sucks to live there?
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That should be enough by
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If you want me to take a look at it you can send an Email to evilaiuberoverlord@gmail.com
But as I said, I won't be able to take a look at it until next week. Just let me know if there is anything specific you are looking for. -
Okay, great! Just to warn you, it's very incomplete. (nm) by
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Commentary by
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Response will be forthcoming
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It might be helpful... by
on 2015-03-27 02:02:00 UTC
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...if you told us what fandom it's in.
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I did. by
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I explicitly said it was a 40K fanfic.
As in, Warhammer 40000. If you meant I should mention it in the subject line, then perhaps you should specify that. But on any other forum I've been on, most people at least read the beginning parts of posts. If things are different here, then you should say so when someone slips up. -
A forty-thousand-word fanfic, you say? by
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See, 40K stands for forty thousand, and people unfamiliar with Warhammer could very reasonably assume that you were referring to the length of the fanfic.
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I am assuming people here use fan-speak? by
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And this is an actual question. Because if we don't use fan-speak, communicating things will be a pain. And if nobody else here is familiar with the use of 40K as shorthand for Warhammer 40000, I'd be surprised, simply because of it's gargantuan fanbase.
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You bet your eema we do, garda. by
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But it would get pretty krastik around here if I went around jibbering about arns and loomas and mivonks and other yotz all the time. I don't want to be a frelling trasnik, so I keep it to myself. I'd have to be tinked to make out like gardas and nixars are welnitzes for not being all blez with it when they've never been to the Uncharted Territories.
~Neshomeh
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Yes, we use fanspeak, but... by
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...it depends on what you'll think of first when you see a certain phrase. And alos because if the thousands of fanbases. Caution is key. I, for one, did not know that you meant a warhammer at all.
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It's just that I've only ever heard 40K being used to describe Warhammer 40000. I'm just trying to clarify things for future reference. So far, it looks like I don't want to open with fanspeak, and instead use common terminology, at least to start with. I originally assumed 40K would have a huge fan presence here, if only because it's a gargantuan fandom. So, again, I meant no offense, just trying to clarify things so I don't screw up so bad in the future. I'm really tempting fate by saying that, aren't I?
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I hope itÂ’s clarified then. by
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We don’t even share all the same native language, nor do we share the same fandoms.
Just consider always that people may genuinely not understand you, and don’t jump to conclusions, then you should be fine.
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But on any other forum I've been on, most people at least read the beginning parts of posts. If things are different here, then you should say so when someone slips up.
That's not hostile? Really?
hS
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"Yeah, yeah." by
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The Guardsman looked away from the Reader to check his screwdriver's interface. "Mmh. Nothing but bruises. You're lucky," he said as he pocketed his tool and stood up. "Most people would've had something worse. You're good to go."
The Time Lord's eyes wandered over to the picture frame that the Notary hadn't yet returned to her pocket. He briefly examined the faces and looked back at the downed Time Lady. "That's interesting. I didn't think you were the sentimental type." He nodded towards the photograph. "Former friend of yours, I presume?"
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"That's Lola," Rina said without thinking. by
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She clapped her hands over her mouth, but it was too late.
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"Lola?" by
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"You mean she had a companion at some point? Unbelievable." The Guardsman absentmindedly rubbed the back of his head. "Wait a second. How much do you know about her?" he asked Rina.
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"Uhhh..." by
on 2015-03-26 20:24:00 UTC
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Rina swallowed, not at all pleased to be so close to the Notary. "I'm not really sure... I mean, it was all jumbled images that I got when I..." she mumbled something that sounded like "Headbutted the Notary".
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The Guardian facepalmed. by
on 2015-03-26 20:32:00 UTC
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"Look, touch telepathy is something that should only be done if you know what you're doing. It can backfire on you if you're not prepared. Promise me you're not going to do that again, OK? Right." The former soldier crouched to the Notary's level again. "Need help getting up? You're spending an awful lot of time on the floor."
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The Notary was indeed doing just that. by
on 2015-03-26 23:45:00 UTC
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Mostly she was fuming in outraged amazement that someone knew and had seen and knew and knew and knew-
She shot to her feet with a noise like a collapsible tent unfolding and turned the kind of glare on the Guardsman that could set fire to the victim's grandchildren. "You will not talk about her. Ever. Indeed, it would be best if we had never had this - oh, I am an idiot."
A flick of her wrist; a red flash followed.
"You do not know the name Lola. You have never known anyone addressed as such. The name is an entirely closed book to you, as, I suspect, are books of any sort whatsoever. You are not aware that I possessed a companion of any kind during any of my regenerations. You derive the most intense sexual gratification possible to comprehend from the thought of being punched repeatedly in the genitals by a hairy bodybuilder covered in fishpaste, and that one's for touching my photograph."
She shoved the neuralyser back up her sleeve and turned to face the others, her expression icy, her eyes dead and listless. "Potterverse wand holsters are such useful things; I don't know why they aren't standard issue," she said blandly. "I shall compose a note to Stores after fetching my drink. Does anyone else want to get their grubby little fingerprints all over my belongings or bring up poorly-shaved apes of debatable sentience? No? I didn't think so."
She was completely unaware that the Guardsman, or possibly the Guardian, she wasn't sure, had been completely unaffected by her neuralyser, since she had flashed it in the face of a rather confused-looking Tribble that was now rapidly re-evaluating its life choices and wondering where it could get its claws on some fishpaste. Head injuries, man. They sneak up on you. -
Kala, who had previously said nothing... by
on 2015-03-27 01:26:00 UTC
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...now shot a glare at the Notary. "And here I thought I had anger management issues." She stood up angrily; while not very tall, Kala was still a very large menace toward anyone she was angry at. "I thought I was bad for paralyzing Valon whenever he woke me up, but there's irritation and then there's just being a bitch. What the hell is wrong with you? You should realize that making enemies is a bad idea, considering that, oh, I don't know, some are stronger than you. I could jab my stinger into any part of your anatomy and you'd be on the floor and twitching for five minutes! I hate being reminded that I'm different from normal humans, but racism works both ways. If you're talking about humans, you're talking about Valon, and however weird and annoying he may be, he's still my partner, and I don't appreciate people talking shit about my partner!"
Kala took a deep breath. Rants were normally Valon's thing, not hers.
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"Yes, thank you for your input." by
on 2015-03-27 01:32:00 UTC
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"I'm sure we're all very grateful, and I'm equally sure you have somewhere to scuttle off to. Have you considered a bath? No, clearly not. I mean, how would you get out?"
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*snap* by
on 2015-03-27 01:37:00 UTC
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That was all it took. Kala threw herself screeching at the Notary. Seven feet and four hundred pounds of furious scorpion is not something to be ignored.
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Funny thing about broken neuralysers... by
on 2015-03-27 02:01:00 UTC
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They have a tendency to go off at suboptimal intervals.
The Notary was a planner, a common enough trait in any bureaucrat worth their rubber stamp. That included a mental inventory of DIA standard equipment and any notable exceptions and esoteric bits of kit - like, for instance, a laser screwdriver. By running a diagnostic cycle and interrupting it just so, it set up a feedback loop that ended in a rather explosive flash-and-smoke.
This had originally been planned for use as a getaway aid, with a brief tidy-up later, but now? Now it was going in the overgrown bug furry's face, and so it did. The Notary was quite amenable to receiving third-degree burns on her palm and second-degrees up almost the entire length of her forearm if it got the desired effect.
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Meanwhile... by
on 2015-03-27 03:11:00 UTC
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Valon had been too dumbstruck by the sheer nerve of the Notary to properly respond when Kala charged her. After the dust had settled, he turned to Rina. "Did not think someone could be that horrible. Wow.
"But I feel like she should have realized that provoking Kala's not just a jerk move; it's dangerous. She's big, strong, and not really in control of her emotions.The only way I've found to calm her is to give her Sumisu, and that's a risky proposition, getting close to an angry scorpion and all."
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on 2015-03-27 02:13:00 UTC
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...the Guardsman stowed his radio without having to use it and ran off after the Notary, adjusting his body camera to make sure it registered everything. He wasn't afraid of the Notary's reports but any evidence that he wasn't actually doing what the Notary was writing about him was good evidence. He pulled a medkit from under his coat as he fell into step beside the Notary.
"Stop moving and let me look at those burns," said the Guardsman as he retrieved a pair of plastic gloves from the kit. "You just had a flashbang go off in your fist. Firstly, I need to slap some Medi-gel on that. Secondly, you're going to Medical." -
"I was there. It may have escaped your notice." by
on 2015-03-27 02:27:00 UTC
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If it seemed like she was counting under her breath, she was. If it seemed like she was wincing as she moved, well, she was. You try hiding stuff when you're in that kind of pain.
"Since you have comported yourself in a manner unbecoming of a DIA operative, re: your repeated invasions of personal privacy and total lack of respect for personal property, I refuse to acknowledge any authority you purport to possess. This conversation is over." She sped up, still listing slightly to the left, her teeth gritted. She was still counting.
"fifty-nine... and go."
Her dataslate appeared from a pocket, the screen lightly dusted with ash, and she swiped quickly through some messages. There was a brief bing from the computer, and the Guardsman received a brief message from his bodycam.
"Warning: Error #37 in automated file download. This is due to an incomplete file transfer. Do you wish to upload the incomplete file? Further data may be lost."
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"Nice try." by
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"Also: let's add vandalizing DIA property to your little list of offences," he said as he zapped the body camera with his laser screwdriver in an attempt to salvage the file. "My, aren't we in trouble. On the up side you'll never guess where my other camera is. Smile!"
He walked alongside the Notary for a few more seconds. "So... should I just give you the medkit and let you apply the Medi-gel yourself? It's starting to smell like bacon over here." He held out the medkit where the Notary could easily grab it. -
"I'm afraid I don't recall that taking place." by
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"I merely sent a request that your department run an external diagnostic scan at the exact time of the automatic upload. You, however, have just deliberately and conspicuously messed with your bodycam while in the field and actively engaged in the pursuit of a suspect, no matter how dubious your allegations may be. That's a clear violation of DIA Code of Practice article #15, clause b, subsection xv. This is all going in the report. Nearly finished now, actually... and done." She allowed herself a small smile of satisfaction as she sent the form off, referenced thoroughly and in triplicate. "We're almost out of the Howling now. You'll probably want to put your other cameras back-"
SPLOOSH.
"Since we'll be walking through a Thief's Downfall." The Notary fished out a handkerchief and wiped the water off. "Terribly sorry, it's the smoke. Counts as a disguise ever since that incursion a few months ago in DODAEG with the Frozen Sue, and it sets off the defence grid in enough quantities. I'm also privy to information regarding smartdust and similar platforms - everyone has their hobbies, after all - and I'm sure you're aware how badly delicate technology reacts to the presence of Potterverse-style magic in such quantities."
She turned to face him and smiled again, or at least showed her teeth. "So gentlemanly to walk a woman back to her RC after an accident. That will definitely be reflected in your report... or it would, had I not already sent it off. I can ask to resubmit, but once the gears begin to turn, well, I'm sure you know how that goes. Do drop round for tea and war stories sometime. I'm free on Saint Never's Day." With that, she gently shut the door of her RC and bolted it, deadlock-sealing it with the interlocking wooden setup that was the only kind her partner could use. Acute arcane technometaplasia. Such a horrid condition. -
"Well played, Antrilovorasilendar." by
on 2015-03-27 03:22:00 UTC
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The Guardsman wrung out his tricorn hat and plopped it back on his head. "But I'll still have the last laugh."
He turned around and walked back to Rudi's while dripping water all over the floor. He carefully stowed the medkit back where it belonged, pulled off his used gloves, and rearranged his body camera. The former soldier then stopped and leaned against the wall. He looked around him to make sure he was alone and pulled a out his laser screwdriver. He removed his tricorn and looked at the net of electrodes that lined the inside of the hat. Even if his passage through the Thief's Downfall had shorted out the hidden camera and the electronics embedded in his hat, everything up until his unexpected shower would've been recorded directly to his brain. Good old Gallifreyan headcam technology: the ultimate redundancy. Never leave home without it. The Guardsman pulled another set of electrodes from a pocket, attached them to his head, and wrapped the wires around the tip of his screwdriver. A few seconds later the video of his entire encounter with the Notary had been sent to DIA Central along with an email saying that he'd drop by Internal Review to clear up any misconceptions.
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((Mind if Rina accosts him later?)) by
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((She never did get the chance to talk to one of the friendly Time Lords, after all.))
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Unfortunately for Kala... by
on 2015-03-27 02:06:00 UTC
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Her size and weight left a lot of momentum. Her charge continued uninterrupted, and she crashed into the opposite wall.
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Just as the Notary left, somewhat inevitably... by
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Wobbles unicycled through the door holding a pizza.
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Sumisu had noticed before Kala did. by
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The mini-Suu climbed up on Kala's head and smothered the fire.
"... I have a ridiculous watery hat on now, don't I?" The cheerful vibes exuded by the mini calmed her down quickly enough.
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"Oh dear, was she here?" by
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"I really wish she wouldn't drink so much. She gets awful tetchy."
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"Was who here?" by
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"I remember this guard dude getting ticked at this lady in fancy robes, and the next thing I know, I'm careening toward a wall. Why..." Kala took a moment to piece things together. "Ah. The lady in the robes. I guess she thought it would be a good idea to provoke someone who outweighs her by several hundred pounds. Shouldn't she get attacked a lot?"
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"Oh, she does." by
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"In and out of Medical. It's kind of sad. I think she does it deliberately, you know, to..." Wobbles shrugged, always a dicey proposition from atop a unicycle. "To get hurt."
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"Huh?" by
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"Surely she's realized that someone... like, for instance, me... could go overboard and actually kill her? My stinger can only paralyze, but I've got two giant pincers that could take the head off a horse. And I don't think clearly when I'm mad..." She shook her head, dislodging Sumisu. "Sorry, I don't even know who you are. I'm Kala Jeng, Department of Floaters. You?"
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"I'm Wobbles the Clown!" =oD by
on 2015-03-27 03:09:00 UTC
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"Floaters, partnered with the Notary. I... guess one day I'll figure out why. But yeah, she knows that she could be killed by the wrong person and, well, uh... you ever heard of the phrase 's-word by cop'?"
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That gave Kala pause. by
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"She's... suicidal? She doesn't seem the type..."
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The Reader frowned, mostly at the clown holding a pizza. by
on 2015-03-27 03:43:00 UTC
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"No, she doesn't. Wouldn't quite blame her if she was, though, the Time War wasn't exactly fun." She shook her head, and focused properly on Wobbles, wondering absently how the human was managing to stay balanced on the unicycle. "Speaking of the Notary, do you have any clue how she managed to just ignore me? I think I spent at least ten minutes scowling at her, while she just ignored me and walked away--after being attacked, anyway, that was...not exactly unexpected, actually." She considered this. "Actually, she's probably just used to ignoring people glaring at her...doesn't mean I don't still want an answer, though!"
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"It's just her way." by
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"She makes herself as unapproachable as she can, I think, 'cause of the non-awful her. Uh, I mean, this is all definitely just conjecture, you understand. Wouldn't want anybody to get the wrong idea or nothin'!" Wobbles giggled nervously, but rallied with a big, beaming smile. "Ooooh, I know what you want!" She tossed the pizza box in the air and (after some frantic sculpting) handed a string to the Reader just as the box landed in Wobbles' lap. "Balloon Eye of Harmony! I heard the news about Gallifrey, it was, uh, kinda hard to get the Notary to talk about much else, so congratulations!"
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The Reader stared at the balloon, and then at Wobbles. by
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How the human had managed to make a Balloon Eye of Harmony while staying balanced on a unicycle, all in the time it took for the pizza box to go up and come back down again, was entirely beyond her. She certainly wouldn't have liked to try it.
'Congratulations', though, she thought bitterly. Oh, fantastic. Because I wanted the reminder so badly.
"Thank you," she said aloud, trying to keep her eyes focused on the balloon. "It was...definitely a shock. To hear about it. I...mm."
She couldn't look at the balloon any longer; part of Gallifrey or not, looking into the Eye of Harmony hadn't exactly been the most comforting experience of her life. It did rather pale next to the Time War, though.
"Right," she added. "Well. Thanks for your well wishes. And the balloon." She gave the string a half-hearted tug and tried to smile in a non-grimacing sort of way (this last, of course, failed).
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((So, the Reader has her reasons, but the news about Gallifrey is actually rather complicated for her. And she's been arguing with her partner recently--very recently--about how she wants to go and try to assimilate into the canon, now that Gallifrey's around. I'm not sure how well she's thought it through, considering that she hates Rassilon and he's presumably still alive, but...she misses her home, and wants to go back to the non-destroyed version, if only to see it for herself.))
((So. Obviously, Wobbles meant well, but...I basically read that and went, 'oh, the Reader will not take that well right now' (and then I grinned). But that's a bit of why she's reacting this way--she spent some time thinking Gallifrey was gone, and then this happens, and it's just...complicated.))
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"Glad ya like it!" by
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Wobbles wasn't one of the more observant people, at least unless she chose to be. At the moment, she had other things on her mind - the Notary's coming war with the Guardsman chief among them - so she did what she always did when she relaxed: made elaborate balloon art. This time, the challenge was doing it one handed, so she constructed an almost exact replica of Arcadia and tied it to the other balloon. "For your friends! You're not her, so you've got them, I betcha do!"
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The Reader looked up at her pair of balloons and sighed. by
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The human had to mean well. There was no way she didn't.
It still rankled. She chose to focus on the woman's words instead.
"Friends! Yes. I have them." She eyed the clown. "Exactly how did you manage to make that one-handed? I can't figure it out."
There, that was a safe topic. Hopefully.
(Seriously, this was the Notary's partner? She couldn't think of anyone the uptight Time Lady would have gotten along with less.)
(...good, she thought savagely. Let the Spinel Promotor have someone who irritated her for a change. She certainly annoyed the rest of them enough.)
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"I just... it comes natural, y'know? Like seeing. You don't have to get taught it. I mean, I remember being taught, and being good at it, but..." Wobbles trailed off and chewed pensively on a slice of pizza. "Oh boy, six cheese pizza with extra chicken and prawns, atta girl. Want some? Anyways, I think it might have something to do with my home continuum. I'm - well, I was - a bit. Came from a Twilight angstfic from waaay back in the day, and I've been in the Nursery ever since. I'll send you some tapes, I didn't see ya in the audience for last week's Get Your Own Back! Trust me, you'll. Love it." She winked, big and brassy.
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((Whatever happens, you're writing it now.)) by
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((Since Kala's personality at this moment is "RAWR HURT THING THAT MAKE MAD," you can easily predict what she'll try to do. If the Notary manages to stop her, or if she gets pinned by the giant bug, you'll be writing it.))
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((You do realize certain neurotoxins...) by
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((Work differently on Time Lords due to physiology differences? Kala might be in trouble.))
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((What kind of trouble?)) by
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((Trouble as in she accidentally buffs the Notary, or trouble as in she kills her?))
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((Who knows? Maybe nothing.)) by
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"Stop! Stop it!" Rina jumped out of her seat and grabbed hold of Kala's tail, clinging on for dear life. "So help me, I'll take your tail off!"
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((She probably didn't even notice.)) by
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((See, liminals are incredibly strong. Grabbing a charging girtablilu by the tail is an invitation to get dragged.))
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((How about an improvised flashbang to the face?)) (nm) by
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((Well...)) by
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((She forgot why she was running, but she's so big and heavy that momentum kept her going anyway. The Notary's lucky if she got out of the way.))
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Behind the Notary's back... by
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...the Guardsman quietly reached into his coat's pocket and withdrew his laser screwdriver. He pointed it at the sleeve in which the Notary had stowed her neuralyzer and sent a locking command to the PPC gadget. As the Notary lectured to the onlookers, the
GuardianGuardsman scanned her again to make sure she didn't have any other surprises literally and/or figuratively up her sleeve. Aside from an old staser model-- which he also locked with his screwdriver-- she didn't seem to be carrying any other weapons (barring her own person, of course).
"Firstly, I'm surprised that you thought it would actually work," said The Guardsman. "Surely you must know that DIA equips their agents so that situations like these never happen. Just imagine how many people could get away with crimes just by flashing a neuralyzer in an officer's face..." He rubbed his eyes, wishing that he had eyedrops to alleviate the discomfort caused by his anti-flash contact lenses.
"Secondly... you're in big trouble now. Did you seriously try to mind-wipe and brainwash a DIA officer because I asked a question about a photo?" the Guardsman sighed. "Besides, I didn't even touch that thing because that's straight up asking for trouble. Did you ever ask yourself why you put people on edge?" He gesticulated towards her deactivated neuralyzer tucked up her sleeve. "Using force because things didn't go your way? Bullying people into submission? You just keep on running away from problems, don't you?"
The Guardsman smiled. "Oh yeah, one more thing. When the Time War started, you stole a TARDIS, didn't you? Yeah, lots of people stole TARDISes. Everyone was trying to run away from the War. You know what's funny though? Get this: when the frontier systems collapsed under the Dalek Armada we were supposed to evacuate the civilians and bring them to the Homeworld. Key word being 'supposed'. You see, we had a TARDIS shortage! For every person stealing a TT capsule for themselves we could've saved an entire town. A town! For one person!" The Gallifreyan man stared at the Notary. "I hope it was worth it."
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The Notary just looked at him. by
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Well, she might have been looking at something she was scraping off her shoe. "You will have a full report on my actions here, as well as your lack of respect for personal privacy or property, courtesy of the DIA Internal Review System as soon as I am able to deliver one. You have deliberately sought to reveal the details of an agent's private life in a public setting in order to embarrass them, during the process of which you insulted them repeatedly. You have deliberately damaged equipment issued by the Quartermasters' Office over nothing more than a personal slight. This is what that report will say. I write them. Your superiors read them. I am not liked, but I serve a purpose. You? Your disciplinary record speaks for itself." With that, she showed him the smoking remains of her neuralyser. "Exhibit A." A polythene bag with a photo frame in it, the picture turned away. "Exhibit B. I can keep going, should you so desire. Or rather, you can keep digging, should you so desire. I'd recommend against it." With that, the Notary swept from the room, hauling a dataslate from her pocket and scratching furiously at it on her way out.
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Actually, she genuinely didn't steal her TARDIS. Technically. Spoilers: one of her regenerations was drafted and put in charge of a blockade runner, arguably doing more good than the Guardsman did. It was cornered and shot to hell, the crew dead, the Notary needed a body that could survive this kind of adventure (it being sort-of canon that Time Ladies have a bit more control over their regenerations) and wound up as the Fourth Notary, aka. the fun one. From there? Well, the vessel was listed as lost, so she took it as a sign, and for a while she lived.
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"Have fun writing the forms!" He looked down at his chest and checked his body camera. "Yeah, it I got everything on tape," he muttered to himself. "Who does she think she is anyway? I just looked at the bloody photograph. And besides, neuralyzers are the first things we disable anyways..."
He was barely aware that the Notary insulted the scorpion lady on the way out of Rudi's. He was, however, very aware when Kala erupted from her seat and threw herself at the Time Lady.
He whirled around, one hand reaching for his radio to call for backup. "Son of a--"
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((That's a cool backstory. I'd like to see more of the Fourth Notary sometime.
As for the Guardsman... well, he was just a grunt with a rifle. You ship him somewhere with his rifle, let him kill Daleks, watch him get killed by Daleks, go back in the past, save his bacon, then go on to win the battle or retreat. Rinse, lather, repeat.)) -
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Rina stared after the Notary for a moment before shaking her head. "You know what, I don't care. I'm just glad she's gone."
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The Guardsman strode back into the pub... by
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...and made his way back to Rina, water dripping all over the place. "Sorry about that incident. Even if she's a stuck-up bureaucrat she's still a PPC agent-- and we're supposed to Serve and Protect. As I was saying, you're still new to this body, right? Man, that must be one hell of an experience for you, right? Hey, did you figure out how to see timelines yet? It's kinda useless in the PPC-- everything is in flux here-- but you'll soon get a hang of it."
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Well, two things, really. Er, one and a half.
The Notary was checking through the Guardsman's registered equipment list to make sure she hadn't missed anything, and promptly started having a screaming fit. She tried desperately to think of a plan as she scrolled through the microtag trackers in the bodycams - another security measure for the people the DIA were supposed to protect - and found that the off-duty jumped-up gropo had returned to Rudi's-
Good. That could work.
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A few minutes later, a fat-looking white pigeon with a tag on its leg declaring to to be one "Speckled Jim" sped into the room like a bullet and perched atop Wobbles' comically oversized clown wig.
"Huh? Oh, heya buddy!" Wobbles stroked the bird along its back and fished in her pockets for some seed. "Who've you got for me today?"
At the chorus of baffled expressions, Wobbled looked slightly guilty. "I, uh, I can't subscribe to message boards. I've got AAT - so, um, technology and I are really, really not friends - so when I signed up for Hugbox they set me up with a carrier pigeon! Oh, uh, Hugbox is kind of like an app where people go over and give each other a hug, some reassurance, you know, all that kinda thing, so of course I wanted to be part of it! Thank you, Mister Pigeon!" With that, she reversed and pedaled her way over to the Guardsman, who was promptly wrapped up in a tight hug.
At around head level.
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...the Guardsman, despite being pinned under Wobbles' bear hug, awkwardly reached into his pocket and threw his laser screwdriver away from the Floater. With his most precious belonging now safe from Wobbles' tech-destroying aura, he returned the woman's hug.
"Aww, thanks. I really needed that!" said the Guardman. "I suppose that the Notary sends her love, right? Tell me: you're her partner, right? Can you relay a message to-- hang on a second." He batted his burning headcam-hat off his head. Nice try, Notary, but it was too late for that. "There, that's better. Can you relay a message to the Notary for me? Just say 'better luck next time'. She'll understand." -
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She stared, horrified, at the flames issuing from the Guardsman's hat. "She's seriously able to get away with that?" she asked in dismay.
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"Maybe yes, maybe no." by
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"Either way, it's all in my head," said the Guardsman. "The Notary is just pushing back the inevitable."
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"Uh, I don't think I know what you're talking about..." by
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"... but it's really nice to meet you! I kinda sorta left some people in the lurch over there but hey, come round sometime! I'll make sure she's out. Oh, and here!" There was a prolonged squeak of rubber, and a strange buzz. "Balloon screwdriver! Guaranteed one-hundred per cent effective against any locks made of, uh, balloons, I guess."
Wobbles tied it around the Guardsman's ear and pedaled her way to look at Rina. "Offer's open to you too, Rina! The Notary might have a crusty exterior, and a crusty interior, and a layer of pure grump under that, but I bet there's a happy smiley person there just waiting to get out!" She beamed, unconvincingly. -
"Oh, yes, I'm sure she's a lovely person." by
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The sarcasm was so happy it was a bit of a surprise there wasn't Sar-plasm dripping from the walls. "After all, I'm sure someone willing to abandon a recently-regenerated, delirious person in a stairwell is a perfectly lovely individual at heart!"
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The Guardsman took his eyes off his new "screwdriver"... by
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...and looked at Rina. "She did what now? I can't say I'm terribly surprised but... It's a Time Lord thing. If somebody just regenerated, you bring them in your house and help them get back on their feet. It's a basic courtesy thing!" The Time Lord approached Rina and looked in her eye. "Still feeling woozy? Memory problems? Stress? No, that might just be because you changed species but whatever-- hang on." He reached for his laser screwdriver and shone a light in her eye. "Running a diagnostic here... ah, here we go. You seem mostly fine: there's still the residual energy hanging around but that should be gone in a couple of hours. Protip: if you feel the urge to sneeze, try to keep it in. You'll be sure not to accidentally set stuff on fire that way."
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"No, I think I've got it under control." by
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"But wow, the energy's still hanging around? That's... really weird, I regenerated yesterday, I thought the energy only lasted a few hours-- wait, set stuff on fire?"
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Valon perked up at the mention of fire. by
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"So... you cast Fire Sneeze? So every round, your standard action is spent spitting out a cone that deals fire damage?" He grinned widely; he seemed to do that a lot. "Why yes, I play Pathfinder. At least I would, if I could find more players. Kala's not interested, she'd rather read Monster Musume and drool over Kimihito."
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"It's more like a sudden discharge of regeneration energy." by
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"A concentrated blast is very, very hot." He pointed at Rina's chest with his screwdriver. "You've still got energy pooling in your lungs and your voice box. Don't be surprised if your voice suddenly changes. You said you regenerated a day ago, right? I regret to inform you that this is the PPC-- time runs weirdly here. You can even feel it too: do you notice that little movement under your feet? How it seems like you're on a moving boat even if you're standing still? That's HQ's timeline that's running in several different directions at the same time. I have no idea why it's that way. I should really start investigating that."
The Guardsman swapped his laser screwdriver for his balloon screwdriver and idly waved it around. "That's some pretty impressive work, Wobbles. D'you think you can teach me how to do that sometime? Preferably when the Notary isn't around because I have a feeling she just declared a one-woman-war on me over our little incident." -
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"I mean, half the time I don't know how I'm doing what I'm doing, and the other half I don't know what I'm doing period, but I bet we could figure something out! What do you think, Professor Puppet?"
"Indeed," bellowed a pink sock puppet with glittery button eyes. "Hurrah, huzzah, and so on!"
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The constant talk of sneezing was making Rina's nose itch. by
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It was not dissimilar to the contagious yawn. But there was no way she was going to let the Ironic Overpower take advantage of the situation.
"Yeah, I found out about the voice changing thing earlier today," Rina said ruefully. "That was weird." She watched interestedly as the Guardsman inspected the balloon screwdriver, but her attention was more on the laser one. So help her, she liked shiny objects. Especially shiny objects that did stuff.
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...Agent Wobbes as she made a balloon replica of Arcadia. "Hah, that's actually pretty good! Look: she's got the sky train network right. I can even see my old district on that thing! And that open space between the skyscraper and the TARDIS dock? That's a great park." He sighed wistfully. "Sucks to be here. You have no idea how much I want to go back home. Believe me, I've tried." He pulled his RA out and dialed the coordinates for Gallifrey. The device buzzed and displayed an error message. The Guardsman showed the screen to Rina.
ERROR-- TYPE 429
LOCATION EXISTS BUT IS INACCESSIBLE AND/OR UNSTABLE
WAIT FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN CANON WORLD BEFORE TRYING AGAIN
"I mostly just want to see my sister again," said the Guardsman, pocketing his RA. "She was part of the Solitude Highlander Regiment. On the Final Day they were assigned to defend the Capital from Dalek landing parties. Haven't heard from her since." He cleared his throat. "But I digress. You must have questions for me, right? Ask away and I'll see if I can answer."
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Rina didn't know what else to say. "Don't worry, though. The Doctor will find Gallifrey, the writers wouldn't let anything else happen." She gave the Guardsman a small smile.
"Well, I haven't been able to go to the Canon Library yet, so bear with me, please? You said something about touch telepathy needing training... I thought I did okay my first time, but now I'm kind of worried I screwed it up." -
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"It's mostly about the transfer of unwanted memories or even causing some sort of mental feedback loop or something. Let's say I wanted to show you memories of my first TARDIS flight: if I just thought about the memory in general and tried to transfer it to you I'd probably let loose an entire torrent of all sorts of stuff into your mind. Case in point: you learned about Lola. You gotta clamp down on other thoughts and just let that particular one trickle though. It's like that anti-mind reading thing from the Potterverse except in not-quite-reverse. No, forget that. It's a bad comparison. It's just difficult, okay?"
He twiddled with his balloon screwdriver. "Actually, I got a question for you now. Are you going to choose a renegade name? Personally, I'd rather be called by my own name but since 'Emiranlanoamar' is a bit of a mouthful for most people I'll have to settle for my old rank. Or just 'Emiran'. Yeah, I should do that, actually. But 'Guardsman' is pretty darn neat if I say so myself..." -
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"Considered 'the Aviator', but decided there wasn't a point. I mean, it's not like I'm a renegade or anything, am I?" Rina laughed somewhat nervously.
"And yeah, holy cow, that was quite the experience. Got a lot of anger from her, lot of hate, but I guess that isn't too surprising." Rina paused, a horrified expression on her face. "Oh god, I wonder what she got from me?" -
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The Guardsman squinted at her. "Maaaaaybe under twenty? Yeah, no. That's not enough time for the really embarrassing stuff to build up. If you've lived over a millennium only then can you actually claim to have interesting stories..." He pondered over Rina's comment about the Notary. "So, you saw into her mind, right? Is there anything other than a bottomless pit of rage in her mind? Please, I have to know. There's an office bet going on and I have my hat on the line. Er, what's left of it at any rate." The Guardsman scooped the sad pile of burnt fabric off the floor and dusted it off.
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"Just turned eighteen a few days ago." by
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"And I don't know, really. That Lola girl kept showing up quite a bit, but I don't know what the deal is with her." Rina shrugged helplessly. "I was kind of not thinking straight at the time." Her voice cracked on the last word.
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"Oh, the little cute one! I can help!" by
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"Yeah, she was the Notary's girlfriend back when the Notary was, like, fun and stuff - but don't tell her I told you! She doesn't like being reminded of the times when she wasn't horrible, and I only know that 'cause she thinks I don't hear her in the bathroom or when she's at her FicPsych meetings. That was kinda hard to do, hadda call in a lot of favours, and if you wanna get her off your back forever call her honeybee." Wobbles gave the Guardsman a big wink and pedaled off back to join the other conversation. "Tooooooootally conjecture!"
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Rina stared after the clown, then at the Guardsman. by
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"Did I just hear that right?" she said, stunned.
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The Reader walked over, trailing balloons. by
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"Hi again," she said to the Guardsman. She sounded tired, but turned a credible imitation of a smile on Rina. "And hello. You wouldn't happen to be the new Time Lord I've been hearing about, would you?"
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((Welp, here she is. Also, Scapegrace--looks like the Reader's about to pick up Wobbles' thing of holding two or more conversations 'simultaneously' on the Board. (It's more fun that way).
((Look at that, a Council member actually beginning to do her job...I'm sure the Notary would be disdainful and disapproving of how long it took her to get to it, but at least it's happening! :D
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The Guardsman leaned towards the Reader to take a better look. "Yeah, that totally is. Sweet. Look, she even added a solar flare trying to escape the singularity. And balloon-Arcadia, of course. Always a lovely sight. Hey, Reader! Quick question: were you born on Gallifrey or were you a colony kid? Because my family moved to--" he quickly fell silent when he realized the the Reader wasn't going to talk to him so he hung back and listened.
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((SeaTurtle, since Dawn Fire seems to take a while to respond (no offense intended, DF, promise!), want to continue Rina and the Guardsman's conversation in the below thread? We can pretend it takes place before the Reader shows up.))
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Rina was instantly on her guard. by
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The new lady smelled like a Time Lord. "Yes, she said hesitantly. "But I didn't destroy Gryffindor tower, before you ask."
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At the mention of the Notary... by
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...Valon's grin instantaneously changed to a frown. "I try not to hate anyone, but with that woman, I'm willing to make an exception. Just like Kala said: Doesn't she realize how dangerous it is to make enemies here? I mean, even if I didn't want to make her scowling puss well-acquainted with every contour of the blade of my shovel, my partner is strong enough to break your arm just by squeezing it... and I don't just mean with her pincers. Liminals have high upper body strength too."
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"Oh, is that what's causing it?" by
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"I just havent been able to make sense of it! And I haven't had a chance to talk to anyone other than the Notary and the Librarian, no time to go to the Canon Library and find books, and I haven't yet been outside of HQ to see if it's any different—"
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"You got questions, I've got answers," said the Guardsman. "Well, most of the time. If you asked me how to fix a TARDIS I could show you that but you'd need..." He scratched his chin. "Say... a background in variable dimensional fields... transcendental mechanics... zero-point mathematics... the standard set of lectures on Vortex dynamics... oh, five hundred years of study at the Academy. But you're one of us now!" He clapped her on the shoulder. "You've got more than enough time on your hands. Hah, get it? Time? No, that was a rubbish joke. Forget it. Speaking of time, though... how old are you? You don't look ever twenty. Total, I mean. You're like a toddler! Imagine! Twenty years old and you didn't even look into the Vortex yet. No, wait. You were human. Right. I forgot that. Never mind. Speaking of which, that's something that everyone should to in their lives. Definitely not safe for your mind but it's one helluva experience."
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Rina gave the Guardsman a weak smile and handed him his laser screwdriver. "Here, you kind of threw this."
"Anyway, I think I turned eighteen a few days ago, but it's hard to be sure. Doc Fitz said this body's physically sixteen, so I basically lost two years, I guess? Not that it matters at this point." She looked glum. "I'm gonna be stuck like this for a few decades, aren't I?"
"And look, I'm really sorry about the touch-telepathy thing, the Notary was ranting and I couldn't think of any other way to convince her I wasn't screwing with her. I didn't realize it needed to be trained, but..." She laughed weakly. "I guess I've got a lot of things to learn." -
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"Provided you don't pull a Doctor and blow through over half of your regenerations in the span of a millennium you can easily live to be several thousand years old and only use up... say... five or six regenerations." The Guardsman clapped his hands. "Oh, that's right. You already spent one from that mission. Okay, that takes off about 800 years off your lifespan right there.And this is the PPC, too. Okay, make that several accidental deaths in the field in a very short period of time... Yeah. The Doctor's lifespan actually seems right for PPC agents. You've got maybe 3000 years if you stay here, more if you retire. At least you're not fighting a Time War: I knew this one guy who wasted all of his regenerations during the Omega Campaign. Damned fool couldn't keep his head down for five minutes."
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"Three thousand years?" Rina gasped. by
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"That's... that's a long time..." She fell silent for a moment, staring down at the table and suddenly realizing just how incredibly young she must seem to the others.
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"You're being torn apart and reassembled on a cellular level while your metabolism burns though an inherently unstable form of energy all while remaining conscious. Of course it hurts! Then again, I've only in-the-Alpha-timeline regenerated twice: once during the War after I was pulverized by a falling Dalek and the other time when I fell through a plothole into the Vortex and burnt to death. In my opinion, the actual method of dying was far more painful than regeneration. The latter is more like a release. You'll never really get used to it-- I mean how can you? It's only going to happen to you a dozen times, tops."
The Guardsman pointed at his hat. "But you know what's the coolest thing we found out about regenerations? Your next face isn't 'set'. During the War we all had our headcams recording, right? So when we died our memories were sent to a server on Gallifrey for safekeeping. The way those data packets were stored made them immune to the shifting timelines: that meant that at the end of the day the guy sitting next to you at the mess could've died a thousand different deaths but never be aware of it until he checked his data cache. Every could've-been death, all those moments that never were, all of those meanwhiles lived on in the headcam videos. That eventually became a problem," said the former soldier, grimacing, "but that's besides the point. Get this: your next face is totally random. In other timelines I saw myself come back either short, tall, white skinned, yellow-skinned, young, old-- needless to say those particular Emirans didn't last long-- as a woman or even with an extra head. I saw the vids for that timeline. Gods, that guy never shut up. But that was always Emiran two to Emiran three-- the next face isn't a constant."
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"Really weird. I mean, I knew that, but it's a lot stranger now that it's applicable to me." She twisted a lock of hair nervously. "Um, so, you said the touch-based telepathy needed training. What about the time-sense? Is there any way to get used to it, at least? Librarian might've just been an asshole when he said you can't turn it off, but I want to be sure."
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"No can do." by
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"It's as natural as breathing for us. On the up side, you'll be able to sense these weird 'tipping points' in time and guesstimate the best course of action based on your gut feeling for the future. Like now for example: I can either order a philly steak sandwich or the roast beef special. The latter will be undercooked and the former will... give me indigestion. I'm sure of it."
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"Well, I'm sure that comes in handy once you're able to make sense of things."
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Valon, who had been spacing out... by
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...suddenly snapped back into reality. "Bwuh? Did you say telepathy? I dare anybody to get inside my skull."
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"DIA regulations on nonhuman agents..." by
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"...paragraph 3, sections seven to eleven," recited the Time Lord. "It boils down to this: 'if you are a telepath, no peeking into anyone's mind.' Stuff like that is strictly verboten; it's completely unethical to go about and peer into what is basically somebody else's essence. Sure, we have some agents who are pure telepaths-- there's a protoss in Patrol Division for example-- but they're bound by psi dampeners and additional rules. So you don't need to worry about anyone crawling into your brainspace, Vance."
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"Except Sues." by
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"But even then, half the time I don't know what I'm thinking, so I doubt anyone else would."
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((I actually wrote something similar, once.)) by
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((It's a WIP of my D&D campaign. My character's a wizard/psion and when she tried to read the party rogue's mind, she just got a jumble of colors and a lot of noise. Sensory overload, his brain was so chaotic.))
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"Besides, how can a person operate if everything inside their mind is complete chaos? In order to achieve higher thought you have to have patterns somewhere, right? Any competent telepath should be able to pick up on things like that."
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"If your mind really was just chaos..." by
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"You probably wouldn't even realize it. I mean, I remember what post-regeneration delirium felt like, and at the time I thought things were totally normal until I recovered." Rina shrugged. "Of course, it could be different for others."
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"Well, there's impaired function..." by
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"...and then there's absolute gibberish," said the Guardsman. "There's no order that can come from totally random input-- well, that's actually debatable," he interrupted himself, "because there's this really interesting subset of mathematics that deals with just this situation. That's what happens when you start factoring the multiverse in your math: all sorts of weird cross-dimensional effects start impinging on your equations. It's really cool. Speaking of which, where are you at in your education?" he asked Rina. "What exactly do pre-FTL civilizations teach their young?"
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"Um..." by
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"Well, to be honest, I kinda dropped out of school in the middle of my eleventh year to become an agent," Rina said, turing red again. "Highest mathematics I took was pre-calculus. It wasn't ever my best subject either; I'd been planning on studying English before I joined the PPC." She felt distinctly embarrassed now. No wonder the others had been so condescending.
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"Oh, man," said the Guardsman, shaking his head. by
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"I don't know much about Earth but you guys have an over-reliance on fossil fuels, right? Ooh, that's not going to end well. You people need scientists and engineers, not arts students! I'm sure that humans can live without paintings or movies or whatever for a century or two while the tech needed to contain the climate crisis is being developed." The Gallifreyan man then cocked his head, staring into the middle distance. "Then again, I'm really biased. The Academy back on Gallifrey was pretty much just a science and tech school. The entire galaxy knows about Time Lord science but who has ever heard of Time lord art?"
He looked back at the junior Time Lady. "But that's another story. Have you heard of the Department of Operations' school? They've got a program to help agents your age complete their education. Give 'em a try: I hear that they get good results from their students."
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"Believe me, I'd love to give it a try." by
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"But I just never really have the time. If I'm not off on a mission, I'm catching up on sleep. And half the time when I'm on a mission, I'm trying to sleep." She paused and suddenly grinned. "Though I suppose that won't be the case now, will it?"
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"Welcome to the good life. Thriving off only a couple hours' worth of sleep, being able to read books in an instant, perfect recall, and incredible longevity. You'd be overqualified for any job back on Earth, guaranteed!" He paused. "Wait. Can you even go back or are you stuck here with us for all eternity? Can't you just use the D.O.R.K.S and pretend this never happened? Or even better-- hang on a moment."
The Guardsman reached into a pocket and pulled out a notebook. He thumbed though it and showed Rina a page covered in Circular Gallifreyan. The symbols quickly rearranged themselves into a legible form under the DMS agent's gaze. "This is a morph cube from the Animorphs continuum," said the Guardsman. "It allows a user to absorb DNA from living beings and to full-on become that particular creature for up to two hours. If you spend more than two hours in morph, you're permanently locked to that form and can't morph anymore. I'm not sure if it can work with Gallifreyan biology but... if you got your hands on one and a sample of your old DNA..." -
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Rina stared hungrily at the diagram of the escafil device. "How could I have forgotten about that?" she murmured to herself. "I... I could turn back..." She felt her hearts leap, and she grabbed the Guardsman's up in a spontaneous hug, laughing. "I could go back! Back to normal! Oh, this is brilliant!"
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"Maybe when you're running low on regenerations. I'm sure you've bled on something before; that'd be enough DNA, right?"
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Valon grinned; no psychosis this time. by
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"Hiya! I'm Valon Vance, DF. My partner's the one who just juggernauted her way into the wall. Uh, why are you wet?"
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"The Notary tried to fry my cameras..." by
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"...with some sort of magic water or something. She honestly thinks she can get away by writing bogus complaints because people talk to her. Well, let's just say her complaint isn't going to go very far: I've got everything I need right here," he patted his head. "Oh, right. Guardsman, DIA. Pleased to meet you, Mr. Vivisection."
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Valon honestly seemed confused. "If this is about the turtle in the Cafeteria, I had no way of knowing it was still alive."
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"Promise," Rina mumbled. by
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((Eh, not really much to say on my end until Scape takes a turn))
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((There seems to be important things happening. I suppose now would be a bad time for Kala or Valon to cut in?))
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((*Guardsman, dammit.)) (nm) by
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Valon noticed the Guardsman. by
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He screwed up his face in concentration. "I feel like I should know who you are and be terrified, but hey, what do I know?"
At this, the mini in Valon's arms wriggled out of his grasp and approached the Guardsman. She looked up at him curiously and burbled a bit. She seemed friendly enough.
((If you don't know what Sumisu looks like, look up the mini for Monster Musume on the Wiki. Sumisu is a mini-Suu.))
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((... For real?)) by
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((I mean, she's a blast to write for, especially now that she has a proper backstory (which is getting explored in my next mission, Coming Soon, hype hype), but people missing her? And, um, missing her being around and just generally a heinous great cow? Wow. Er. Um. Never, um, never had that before. =] ))
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((Also...)) by
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((I kind of assumed that the Reader was just glaring and tapping her foot and getting soundly ignored by the Notary. That is, uh, the rp moved forward, so I'm going with that being what the Reader was doing. It is a pity not to get to
chatargue with the Notary, though, that would've been fun...))
((I'm also assuming the Reader and Wobbles don't know each other, though for all I know they might have met before? What do you think would work best?))
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((I was on the Board when she was first created, and have watched what bits of her backstory exist so far come to light. My agents wouldn't miss her, but I did! Didn't realize until she started popping up on the Board and in interludes again, but when she did...well, she's just so much fun to read about. Half her lines just make me grin so much.))
((That proper backstory sounds like something I'll be keeping an eye out for, too. I'm curious.))
((But yeah. She's a blast to write for? Well, she's also a blast to read. Don't get me wrong, the Reader doesn't like her much, but...yeah. She's just fun, especially in combination with Agent Wobbles. And your writing capabilities don't exactly hurt either ;) ))
((Speaking of your writing...let me just take the opportunity to let you know that you write comedy very, very well. This is now two years running that you've written shipfic pieces that had me laughing hysterically.))
((~DF))
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Oh yeah, I just remembered. by
on 2015-03-27 03:45:00 UTC
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Ten years ago today, those of us who had BBC1/BBC America on cable met a fine young woman named Rose and a mysterious time-traveler. We were all scared of mannequins by the end of it (I still look at them twice when I pass by one), but we couldn't wait to see what came next.
Yup, today's the tenth anniversary of New Who! *blows noisemaker*
In honor of it, let's all post about the first experience we had watching the show. Mine was three years ago (ish) at my church, of all places. It was the end of the year and the instructor said we could either have a long chat about what worked and what didn't that year or watch Doctor Who.
We compromised and watched an episode after a fifteen, twenty-minute chat. I had some trouble figuring out what was going on, of course, but I knew I was in for a weird ride when the Cthulhu-like alien shocked a guy in the head with its translator orb. (Yeah...the Ood are weird.) -
My first was the Fourth by
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Specifically about three episodes of one of the Fourth's old serials involving cat people. And then I saw a bit of the Ninth, didn't like it, and came back to Ten and Martha and fell in love. For a while at least, stupid Moffat ruining everything.
Now don't get me wrong, Eleven had his moments and I'm sure Twelve is great, but I'm 93% certain those are all the products of writers other than Moffat. I left sometime after the 50th anniversary and I likely will not be returning until there's a new head writer. -
As with many things... by
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...It all started with ponies.
Dr. Whooves was my introduction to the world of Doctor Who. I saw all the fan art, fics, even radio plays. I found them interesting, and the idea of a time-traveling alien was kinda fun, so I went to check out the main show.
I know my first Doctor was 10, but I can't remember my first episode. Perhaps Blink? Maybe the one with the Vashda Nerada? I can't recall.
I have since watched all of New Who, up to the 50th anniversary, because afterwards I lost cable and access to the BBC. However, now I have Nexfix, so I should be able to catch up! -
Everyone at my School Watched the Show by
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They were bothering me to watch it, so I bought the DVD for Series 1. I finsished it in about a week and then watched the rest of the new series in the next few weeks. Still havent seen all of Classic Who, but I intend to eventually. Nine was my first Doctor, and still my favorite.
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It scared the cr*p out of me by
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When I was about 12 or 13, my parrents saw Doctor Who come on aganin, not having watched it for years and only vaguely remembering it from their youth. They called me to come watch because "it was this real fun sci-fi show". Unfortunately, the episode being aired that night was the (in)famous Blink. After that experience, I never really dared getting into it again, as the nightmares lasted a couple of months...
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Steven Moffat, everyone! by
on 2015-03-27 12:45:00 UTC
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Making us terrified of innocent things like statues, snowmen, and Christmas since some year I'm too lazy to look up!
I remember watching Blink for the first time at a slumber party with my bestie. Neither of us could sleep anytime soon after that, especially since her bedroom had a freaking angel statue in it. We spent the whole night sending the damn thing nervous looks before she locked it in her trunk.
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Blink was RTD wasn't it? by
on 2015-03-27 22:35:00 UTC
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For that matter, most of the good episodes were not actually Moffat, as far as I remember.
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It was Moffat. Only one in that series I think. (nm) by
on 2015-03-27 23:31:00 UTC
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Well, it all started in march... by
on 2015-03-27 06:01:00 UTC
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I think I went out to a club one night, and I woke up on a friend's couch holding a pirated Doctor Who DVD my friend told me I had bought while stumbling home. So, we popped in the DVD player, and while the Chinese subtitles wouldn't go away, it was good enough that I later checked it out on Netflix. Forgot what I did with the DVD, though. That was a good day.
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I know someone might kill me for this, but... by
on 2015-03-27 05:19:00 UTC
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I never understood the Doctor Who fandom that well. All I know is that there's a scientist, a cute robot, and a time-travel machine. Could someone explain/summarize it?
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*kills you* by
on 2015-03-27 05:41:00 UTC
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Nah, kidding.
Okay, first off, the Doctor isn't a scientist, and he's not a doctor, either. Well, he has an honorary doctorate and a PHD in cheesemaking, but that's neither here nor there. He's an alien species called a Time Lord, and the explanation for his different actors is that, whenever something happens that would normally kill him, instead of dying, he regenerates into a new body. (This is applicable to all Time Lords.)
The cute robot sounds like K-9, a companion of the Fourth Doctor's who made a reappearance during the Tenth Doctor's run. K-9 is just one of many companions the Doctor has had (though most of them were human females); while travelling time and space for centuries, you do get lonely.
The time travel machine is the TARDIS (stands for Time And Relative Dimensions In Space), and though most TARDISes have a nifty thing called a Chameleon Circuit that lets them disguise themselves for something setting-appropriate, the Doctor's TARDIS stays as a blue police box for most of the time since the Chameleon Circuit is a wee bit broken. Plus he's grown fond of the blue box.
The whole thing started as an edutainment show (you know, teach history and science), but it quickly evolved into pure sci-fi goodness.
I really recommend you give it a try. New Who (Ninth Doctor and up) is on Netflix, and Classic Who is on Hulu. -
I think that is a much better way that I put it by
on 2015-03-27 05:45:00 UTC
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Though I would recommend starting with New Who Series 2 Episode 4 Girl in the Fireplace
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Trying to simplify it by
on 2015-03-27 05:37:00 UTC
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First it has been running since 1963 and follows the adventures of a Renegade Time Lord from the planet Gallifrey, his TARDIS (Time and Relative Dimension in Space), a time traveling space ship. The Doctor travels with Companions going on adventures through Space and Time, sometimes going on misadventures and usually saving the World, Time, Universe, and/or Reality from the likes of Cybermen (Human Brain, Cybernetic Body, usually no emotions), Daleks (Mass murdering hate filled creatures in a high tech battle suit), Other Renegade Time Lords, many other threats, and occasionally the Devil. There is also a lot of Wibbily Wobbily Timey Wimey Stuff going on.
The show runners are not afraid to deal with complex themes/messages including worlds without preset sexual orientations, genders, and roles. There is also, in my opinion, a strong anti-war message, but it does not come across as preachy.
Really though at its core it is a bunch of misadventures through time and space. Sometimes with a lead that is basically a crazy Man-Child. Though at least some of the more recent iterations are a bit heavier thematically.
Now that I realize it, it really is kind of hard to explain any beyond just go watch it. With over 50 years behind it, there are quite a lot of various intricacies and probably too many to list here. Though I think if you really want to know what Doctor Who is about, I would recommend watching The Girl in the Mirror . That episode in my opinion really does kind of capture the essence of the Doctor. -
Is there a clear season list on Netflix? by
on 2015-03-27 05:55:00 UTC
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Or not? If not, where should I start if I get more interested?
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Yes by
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New Who is on Netflix under Doctor Who 2005, All but the most recent season is there. It is listed as series though. And the episodes I have mentioned are all there. Classic Who is only partly on Netflix, but I believe it might be on Hulu. I recommend starting with New Who, because the special effects from the 60s might be a bit hard to stomach for some.
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*Fireplace not mirror. I feel bad now. (nm) by
on 2015-03-27 05:46:00 UTC
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My first Doctor was the First Doctor. by
on 2015-03-27 05:05:00 UTC
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It was the episode with the Aztecs. I remember quickly losing interest because it wasn't in color. ^^; Silly, twelve year-old me.
My second time watching the series was about two years ago, when I was fifteen, starting at the beginning of New Who. The Ninth Doctor sucked me in, and I've been working my way through Classic Who. I've been making a fair bit of headway in the downtime before Capaldi's next season. -
I accidentally stumbled upon it by
on 2015-03-27 04:33:00 UTC
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This was back in the first season of the new series and I believe that particular episode, Father's Day I only caught a bit of it. The first full episode I watched, because it came on around the time that TNG did was The Girl in the Fireplace . Loved the show, loved the premise, but I was never really able to watch the series until much later. It is still one of, if not my favorite episodes.
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A Riddle Story. Can you figure it out? by
on 2015-03-27 04:18:00 UTC
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Two sons and two fathers went to a lake to fish. They each caught one fish each, but there were only three fish in total. How is this possible?
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Everyone is using their brains to solve riddles... by
on 2015-03-28 13:02:00 UTC
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When they should be using them to solve tests. What a waste. Science is more important.
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I thought I killed you. (nm) by
on 2015-03-29 01:29:00 UTC
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Believe me, I am still alive. (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 00:33:00 UTC
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Ha ha ha ha, stayin' alive, stayin' alive... (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 01:14:00 UTC
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I am surrounded by imbeciles... (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 02:56:00 UTC
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Oh, I'm sure you are a very smart fellow. (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 03:04:00 UTC
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... (nm) by
on 2015-03-29 04:13:00 UTC
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SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE! (nm) by
on 2015-03-29 16:10:00 UTC
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Let's send her to the MOOOON! (nm) by
on 2015-03-29 16:33:00 UTC
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FUS-RO-DAH! (nm) by
on 2015-03-29 16:59:00 UTC
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*swings club* (nm) by
on 2015-03-29 23:25:00 UTC
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*chops down beanstalk* (nm) by
on 2015-03-29 23:40:00 UTC
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Zu'u bahlok fah jul! Faas di vulon! by
on 2015-03-30 22:35:00 UTC
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(Yes, this is actual Dragon tongue from Skyrim.)
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JOOR-ZAH-FRUL! (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 23:56:00 UTC
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GAAN LAH HASS! FUS DOH RAH! (nm) by
on 2015-03-31 22:55:00 UTC
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*punts the two mini-Cliffracers through a portal* by
on 2015-03-31 23:15:00 UTC
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is "GAAN LAH HAAS" and "FUS RO DAH". Also canonically, you should not be able to use "Drain Vitality", the first one. Ladies and gentlemen of the Vahlokke do Mein-Tiid-Ven, Protectors of the Plot-Continuum, we may have an AL-DU-IN Replacement Stu.
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NOOOO! I AM AL-DU-IN! I AM INVINCIBLE! by
on 2015-04-02 23:56:00 UTC
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*dies Skyrim-style due to break in canon that he is so embarrassed about*
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Owww... I had even shouted the name of the real Alduin... by
on 2015-04-03 00:37:00 UTC
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... to call him, so he could come finish off the Replacement himself.
Yup, in Elder Scrolls Canon, you shout the name of a dragon to make him/her/it/whatever come, for a dragon feels it like a challege and a dragon cannot resist a challege. -
*Uses Silence* by
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*Proceeds to fill the now-mute-and-deaf dragon with lead courtesy of a Tiberon*
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HULK WANT IN! HULK STRONGEST THERE IS! by
on 2015-03-29 23:59:00 UTC
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HULK SMASH! HULK SMASH PUNY GIANT! HULK BREAK COMPUTER LADY!
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Hey you, big green lunatic... by
on 2015-03-30 00:35:00 UTC
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I'd suggest taking a deep breath and holding it.
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Sorry, no Hulks allowed. Bye, bye! (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 00:14:00 UTC
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Hey...Long time no see! by
on 2015-03-30 21:59:00 UTC
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Hey wait a second. You're not the real death. Your author tried to trick me. Well you know what that means? KATANARAMA!
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Hey dude! I don't think Neil Gaiman did that! (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 23:53:00 UTC
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I'm really feeling it! (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 00:29:00 UTC
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Show me your moves! (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 00:47:00 UTC
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Hi! I'm Olaf, and I like warm hugs! (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 00:52:00 UTC
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Oh hai there. *shines brightly* (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 01:41:00 UTC
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Oh, hello! Do ya like my little flurry? by
on 2015-03-30 02:17:00 UTC
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It prevents me from melting!
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*sulks off to torment Frosty* (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 03:48:00 UTC
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Hey! Watchit out buddy! What did I ever did to you? (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 04:22:00 UTC
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You've got nothing on me Snow Man! (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 06:51:00 UTC
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Well now, this is just getting ridiculous... by
on 2015-03-30 21:18:00 UTC
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*sigh* Come Olaf, let's go back home.
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A Witch! Burn the Witch! by
on 2015-03-30 21:49:00 UTC
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She turned me into a newt. But I got better.
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But does she weigh the same as a duck? (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 23:20:00 UTC
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AFLAC! (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 23:25:00 UTC
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Have I mentioned that fifteen minutes... by
on 2015-03-30 23:37:00 UTC
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can save you 15% or more on car insurance?
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Well, now that's just silly... (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 23:49:00 UTC
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*whooshing noise* (nm) by
on 2015-03-31 00:28:00 UTC
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See! Even the boomerang agrees with me! (nm) by
on 2015-03-31 00:31:00 UTC
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*jumps in* by
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The answer to this riddle has a hole in the middle,
And many have been known to fall in it,
In tennis, it's nothing, but it can be received,
And some have been known to win it,
Though not seen nor heard, it can be perceived,
Like bees and princes, it's in clover,
The answer to this riddle has a hole in the middle,
And without it, you cannot start over.
(Bonus points if you can work out how it fits into all the parts of the riddle!) -
This one from the Mysterious Benedict Scociety. by
on 2015-03-28 12:59:00 UTC
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I love that series!
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It is indeed! by
on 2015-03-29 01:27:00 UTC
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Not you too...
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I love it. ^_~ (nm) by
on 2015-03-28 09:02:00 UTC
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Oh. by
on 2015-03-28 11:48:00 UTC
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It took a minute for that to click. You are evil.
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This is officially an unofficial roleplay thread! (nm) by
on 2015-03-28 03:32:00 UTC
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WOW... This filled up fast... by
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I don't know which post to answer anymore.
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This one maybe? by
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A warrior amongst the flowers,
He bears a thrusting sword.
Able and ready to use,
To guard his golden hoard
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Oh, I'm supposed to give one too. by
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Two sisters are we, one is dark and one is fair
In twin towers dwelling we're quite the pair
One from land and one from sea
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A hat! by
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You know. Because the first letter of each sentence spells a hat.
I'm clever.
Anyway, the real answer is a bee. -
Alright, PPC. You have intreiged me. by
on 2015-03-27 23:45:00 UTC
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You have done well with these... Simple riddles. Why don't we try something a little harder, hmm?
Riddle me this, down my riddle path.Can you solve some basic math?
You have been given the task of transporting 3,000 apples 1,000 miles from Appleland to Bananaville. Your truck can carry 1,000 apples at a time. Every time you travel a mile towards Bananaville you must pay a tax of 1 apple but you pay nothing when going in the other direction (towards Appleland).
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And before hS comes in... by
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No, you cannot break the law and pay no tax. The government has very strict checkpoints.
And if anybody tries to use Zeno's Paradox to say that you never "really" reached the mile to the checkpoint guards, they will shoot you. They have been well trained to take out smart-aleks. -
Oh, the PPC's transporting the apples? by
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I just open a portal and drive through! 3000 apples!
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You know, it's moments like this that make me want to play with Batman again. At least he plays by the rules!
Fine then! Your portal devices are deactivated! You are shipping these apples because you did something stupid like, I don't know, turn yourself into a Time Lord, and this is your punishment. So, you have no access to any PPC tech, or indeed any technology besides your truck! THERE! Now, solve the riddle. -
I take an alternate route. by
on 2015-03-28 09:00:00 UTC
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The Appleland-Bananaville oligarchy has expended a lot of manpower to put up checkpoints every mile along the road between the two cities. Each checkpoint will need at least two shifts of at least two guards each; more likely it'll be three shifts. Actually, add a fourth to account for holidays and weekends (though I suppose those power-hungry plutocrats may not allow their guards to take holidays). Thats eight thousand guards - and eight thousand salaries - along a single road.
So I'll be taking the back-roads, on the assumption that they can't have done such a ridiculous thing on all the routes.
Actually, since Top Gear is off the air again, I'll borrow their music and modify my truck using common objects (readily available in Appleland) to make it suitable for off-road driving. Then I'll go through the countryside.
ALTERNATELY: I start a revolution. The military-industrial dictatorship of the A-B government is not going to be popular in the cities - not if they impose such heavy taxes on any transshipments within their own country. The fact that they've seen it necessary to create such a massive 'guard' force (really, who believes they're anything but professional solders? You've already told us they'll shoot people who try to get a basic education on sight!) is only further proof of this. I trade one whole load of 1000 apples around (fresh food is going to be rare, with those ridiculous transshipment 'taxes'), create a core cadre of dedicated revolutionaries, and spark off a mob riot. While the 'guards' - of which there are doubtless many in the city, to match the ludicrous numbers along the road - confront the protestors in their usual ruthless fashion, the cadre will raid their stations for weapons.
Actually, we might be better to take the mob up against the mile-checkpoints, instead. We know they're fairly lightly-manned, and we can get at least two guns from each. Heck, I'll even transport the revolutionaries in my truck - gives us the advantage of surprise.
Down with the Appleland-Bananaville dictatorship! Power to the people! Fresh fruit for all!
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I... How... That doesn't... by
on 2015-03-28 09:16:00 UTC
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You can't just... That's against the spirit of... But the rules...
ARRGH!!!
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THE SOLUTION by
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SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Step one: First you want to make 3 trips of 1,000 apples 333 miles. You will be left with 2,001 apples and 667 miles to go.
Step two: Next you want to take 2 trips of 1,000 apples 500 miles. You will be left with 1,000 apples and 167 miles to go (you have to leave an apple behind).
Step three: Finally, you travel the last 167 miles with one load of 1,000 apples and are left with 833 apples in Bananaville. -
According to quantum tunneling theory... by
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particles have a probability of being any distance from their perceived locale. Therefore, the apples in my truck cannot be taxed, because for all you know they could be anywhere.
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Now, what did I say about smart-aleks? by
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The "guards" should be around any moment.
Now, if you excuse me, I have to make sure my lair is Bat-proof. -
Now, now, Riddler... by
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You don't want to get too upset... Stress causes, well, fear. Panic. And you don't want that, now do you? Unless you fancy being a test subject today?
(Silenthunder here. He's got me locked up. I don't know my location, but he mentioned a test, and you-know-what-that-means-and-I-need-to-be-rescued-right-now!) -
Cave Johnson here. by
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The boys in the lab have informed me that you have expressed an enthusiasm for testing that they claim is "crazy". We here at Aperture love finding individuals who think outside of the box, and I'm here to say "Welcome aboard!" You'll be working with our new line of mousetraps - we make them with real lab-fed mice! Just look for the exit of the trap. Spears are on the left. You'll know when the test starts.
Once again, this is Cave Johnson - we're done here. -
Mr. Johnson, sir... by
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Is there anything you want me to do for you?
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Three words, Caroline. by
on 2015-03-28 06:56:00 UTC
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Smooth. Jazz. Cookies. Now, the eggheads say that shouldn't be possible. I say we cram a few more saxophones in! We'll turn crumpets into trumpets and reap the profits. Those Black Mesa bas- ...what? What do you mean, "we're out of funk"? Fire up the disco factory and make some more!
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I'll begin researching those right away, sir. (nm) by
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Anything else, sir? (nm) by
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Yes, actually. by
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I'll need those files we made on the effects of teleportation on dogs. I think I've found a way to incorporate that into our lines of shower curtains. Also, we're out of lemons. Thanks, Caroline - you're a doll!
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I do my best for Science, sir. Thank you. (nm) by
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TAUNT BUTTON! by
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Hey there Scare Guy. I bet you and the readers at home are wondering how I got here? Well you see, I was trolling around this board earlier today I found this portally-thingy that led me right here. Now, I know what you're thinking. After all I can read your thought bubble. And no, no one has hired me to take care of you. But do I even need a reason? Say hello to my little friends. Slicey-Slicey. Lets make this quick I gotta pick Death up for a Date to get some chimichangas at that place over on 74th. SHORYUKEN!
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Oh, Deadpool... by
on 2015-03-28 03:30:00 UTC
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If you don't tread carefully you might find yourself somewhere you don't want to be... Nothing scares me, and I say that truly. I have overcome my nightmares. I have seen the darkness in the flesh, and with my help you can also be free of that-
BZZZT!
Get outa here, Crow! My turn now! WELL, HIIII EVERYBODY! DIDJA MISS ME? HAHAHAHAHA! Guess who, Edward? -
Oh, oh, I know who puddin'! (nm) by
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That's my girl! (nm) by
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Hey bub...You want to tell me how I got here? by
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I know I am on just about every team, but I don't even know where this is. Did you have something to do with this bub?
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Welcome to the Madhouse, wolfie! by
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Oh yes, I've heard about ya, yer little claw trick. Reminds me of Croc so much… You're both animals. Hee-hee! Anyway, I just came here myself. Apparently this is a place full of mad, happy people. Great stuff! Why not see how much happier they can get, eh? Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go flood the ventilation with some, ahem, chemicals...
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I think some of your guards just went silent by
on 2015-03-28 00:38:00 UTC
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The Batman may be coming. Also the answer is 833.
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Oh, I'm not worried about him. by
on 2015-03-28 00:53:00 UTC
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I'm not doing anything wrong... Well, not yet, anyway.
Well done! There may be some brains in the PPC after all! Shall we play again?
I have trapped you in a room, which only unlocks for one minute every 45 minutes. Try to open the door before the time, and you get electrocuted. However, I have left you with two ropes and a lighter. Each rope takes exactly one hour to burn. These ropes are not identical, nor are they uniform, meaning it does not necessarily take half an hour for half the rope to burn. With only these two ropes and a way to light them, how do you measure out the 45 minutes? -
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Obviously, the Riddler's suggestion that we time 45 minutes is a false lead: we don't know when the door last unlocked! So what we do instead is this:
There are two methods by which we might get electrocuted. One, and the simplest, is that the door handle is electrified. The other is that the floor of the room electrifies if you try the handle. Both of these can be avoided with reference to one fact: rope does not conduct electricity.
(The two other methods are non-starters. Electricity can't be transmitted wirelessly in such a way that you could electrocute someone, and a wired tazer system would need cameras for aiming - which are easy to break)
So: tie one rope around the handle in such a way that we can use it to check whether it's locked. The best option is if we can apply constant pressure, but pulling it every so often is fine too. If all else fails, we'll take the rope apart and wrap the strands around our hand to make a shock-proof 'glove', but that's probably unnecessary. Depends on the design of the handle.
The second rope we coil up and stand on, to insulate us from the floor. We know it's either long or thick enough for this, because it takes an hour to burn! That's quite a lot of rope.
Then, protected from electrocution, we cheerfully test the handle until we find the door is unlocked.
Then we find something flammable and set fire to the Riddler's stronghold. After all, we have to use the lighter for something. ^_~
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I think hS might be MacGyver in disguise. (nm) by
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Only think? This is my new headcanon. (nm) by
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Is my time sense working yet? by
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Because if so, I can just wait.
Actually, it takes a lot more electricity to zap a Time Lord than a human. I go ahead and open the door. :D -
*Breaks through the door* by
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Hello miss,do you need help?
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Or this works, too. (nm) by
on 2015-03-28 01:44:00 UTC
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So Miss, should I carry you out... by
on 2015-03-28 02:42:00 UTC
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...or I you think you can handle yourself those poor goons that are coming this way?
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*smiles* I can take 'em, no worries. (nm) by
on 2015-03-28 02:55:00 UTC
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*smiles back* I knew that double heartbeat had a meaning! by
on 2015-03-28 03:04:00 UTC
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Well Miss, I take the big ones, and you take the small ones.
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"Sure, sounds good to me." by
on 2015-03-28 03:34:00 UTC
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"And when we finish, I need you to look at this lovely flashing light..."
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*Breaks through wall* RRRROOOOOAAARRR!!!!! (nm) by
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"I am SO DONE." by
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And with that, Rina snagged the plothole the Doomsday clone had arrived in and used it to go safely back to HQ. The end.
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A heavy hammer comes crashing through the walls by
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The hammer returns to a figure standing in the gap. "I know not what thou art. But your actions speak loud enough. Attacking the one in tights who wears his underclothes on the outside and the small human. I know not how I got here. But it is your misfortune."
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Hey blonde guy! by
on 2015-03-28 04:17:00 UTC
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You just interrupted a HQ invasion simulation, you must be very proud of yourself. *flies away, while the clone vanishes*
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This must be some fell trick Loki has played by
on 2015-03-28 04:38:00 UTC
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I will get to the bottom of this
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Simple. by
on 2015-03-28 01:18:00 UTC
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I count to sixty forty-five times in a row. Being a band geek helps with keeping time.
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Musicians. They always ruin time-based riddles. by
on 2015-03-28 01:53:00 UTC
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Very well. You are free to go. Just be sure you go the right way...
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This one is easy Riddler... by
on 2015-03-28 02:47:00 UTC
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...I must simply tie them with my Lasso, and ask the way out.
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Assuming I do not have a functional watch by
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Take the first rope and light both ends on fire, also lighting one end of the second rope on fire. By the time the first rope has been burnt 30 minutes have passed. Then light the second end of the second rope. When that rope has been burnt 45 minutes have elapsed.
And now you have engaged in kidnapping and false imprisonment. You might want to check on those guards again, before they are all incapacitated. -
Well done indeed! by
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Believe me, I am in full control of the situation. I am most certainly not currently scrambling to make sure my traps are all primed to take out the Batman.
Speaking of the Batman, let me tell you a story about him!
The Joker and I had managed to kidnap Batman, Wonder Woman, and the Flash. Joker, being the psychopath that he is, wanted to kill them off as soon as possible. I, however, am a reasonable criminal. I always give my victims a chance. So, I cut them a deal: I would let them go, if they could solve one of my riddles.
I lined all three of them up one in front of the other, all facing forward, like so: The Flash > Batman > Wonder Woman. Then, I put hats on their heads. I informed them that the hats were either green or purple, and there was at least one of each color. They could see the colour of the hats in front of them, but not their own. I told them, they were not allowed to communicate in any way between each other. If one of them could guess the color of their own hat, all three were free to go. If they couldn't, I let the Joker have his fun.
They are given 30 minutes. No one said anything for the longest time, when at the last minute, Batman figured out what his hat color was! True to my word, they were all freed, and the Joker and I were sent back to Arkham.
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He could've just gotten lucky. by
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You gave them a chance all right... 50% each. If all else fails, might as well pick a color and hope for the best, eh?
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Because he's the Batman by
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Here is how it goes. Wonder Woman can see both Batman and the Flash's hat, as she is last in line. Flash and Batman must have different color hats or else Wonder Woman would have been correctly able to guess her hat. Now when time has nearly elapsed Batman now knows that Wonder Woman has not called her color. Ergo, his hat is not the same color as Flash. He can see Flash's hat and knows that his must be different.
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You are the clever one, aren't you? by
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If ever you should be seeking a job in Gotham, I have several openings available.
Well, seeing as you have bested all of my riddles so far, I have to try something even harder.
Riddle me this, riddle me that: can you sole one that stumped the Bat?
There is an island with exactly 201 residents, 100 with blue eyes, 100 with brown eyes, and the island leader (who has green eyes). To leave the island, one must know their own eye color. There are no reflective surfaces on the island and no on can communicate with each other other than the leader to the residents. No one on the island knows how many of each eye color there is. Every morning the leader gives anyone a chance to leave the island by guessing their eye color. One morning, the leader gathers all 200 residents to make an announcement, he says "at least 1 person on this island has blue eyes" How many people leave the island and in how many days after the announcement? -
Maybe I already have employment in Gotham by
on 2015-03-28 02:24:00 UTC
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All 100 Blue-Eyed People leave on day 100.
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Can I get the explanation on that one? >_> (nm) by
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...Should I be concerned by how well you are doing? by
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Because you are right again.
Let us try another story.
A king has 1,000 barrels of wine stored in his cellar. Unfortunately, the guards found an assassin that had snuck in last night and poisoned exactly one of the barrels. Even 1 drop of poisoned wine would be enough to kill a man, but the poison takes 30 days before becoming fatal, give or take a few hours. The poison is colorless, odorless, and victims show exactly 0 signs of being poisoned in the 30 days prior to dying. There is absolutely no way to detect the poison.
In 31 days time, there will be a grand feast in which the king will need as much of the wine as possible. He has 10 prisoners on which to test the wine. His first idea is to give each prisoner a drop from 100 barrels of wine, and then when 1 prisoner dies, throw out all 100 barrels of which the dead prisoner drank from. However his jester speaks up and explains a solution that will pinpoint exactly which barrel is poisoned using only the 10 prisoners.
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If my small-scale test is sound... by
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First, divide the barrels up into groups of ten, numbered 1-10. For each group, each prisoner (A-J) drinks from two barrels, sharing one with the prisoner to his left and the other with the prisoner to his right. Rotate who drinks from what barrels; for instance, in the first round, A drinks from barrels 1 and 2; in the second round, he drinks from 2 and 3; etc. When this can no longer be done without repetition, switch up the order of the prisoners so that they're sharing with different people.
If my mind hasn't gone completely off the rails, it should be possible for only two prisoners to share the poisoned barrel, and assuming the scribes have done their jobs, which two it is that die should pinpoint the barrel.
It works for up to 100 barrels before I stop being able to visualize it... at least, I'm pretty sure it does. Probably. Definitely works for ten men and ten barrels, at the very least. >.>
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This is a tricky one by
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Number the barrels 1-1000 in Binary. Give each prisoner a number equivalent to one of the positions in the binary number. Each Barrel if it contained the poison would leave a different combination of prisoners dead as each Binary Number is unique. So ultimately they go and see which prisoners are dead. That would correspond to a 1 in the binary code. That would give what the binary code looks like and you can find the barrel that way.
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This is sorta like what I said, right? by
on 2015-03-28 03:11:00 UTC
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Only, you know, better in every possible way? ^_^;
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You are both correct! by
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Congratulations to the both of you.
Alas, I must go, for now. I have a slight Bat problem. However, I will be back soon, with yet more riddles for you to solve!
Until next time! -
*Blockshis way and crosses his arms* Going somewhere? (nm) by
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TAUNT BUTTON 2! by
on 2015-03-28 03:37:00 UTC
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*Teleports in* What?! I missed it? Well I think I speak for all of us when I say...Seriously? Aquaman? What are you going to do? Throw a fish at him? I think A real hero is needed. Isn't that right readers?
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*Sighs and blasts him with the Trident of Poseidon* by
on 2015-03-28 03:44:00 UTC
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Now Nigma, where we were? *readies his Trident*
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I like to stick my hand up and randomly say things by
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I think Purple-Green left the field. That really hurts you know. But hey I'm sure I'll get over it. Since I don't actually exist. But hey! Guess what I'm still here. Course I wasn't payed for this, but, hey, when has that ever stopped me?
Say hello to my little friends. Slicey-Shooty! -
You were not paid you say? by
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Say, if I get you one nice big chest of Atlantean gold, would you capture The Riddler alive and bring him to the Justice League?
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I don't know... by
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Most of my contracts involve things like missing limbs and maybe a few pints of missing blood. Ooh and maybe a missing or slightly tarnished head. I suppose I could...Say's what the going exchange rate? How many chimichangas will that buy?
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Well... by
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...enough for a multiple lifetimes supply.
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How alive do you want him? by
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Can he be at least a little bit
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...if you can find him.
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Look I think that's him over there! by
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*Teleports away to go catch the riddle guy and return him only mostly dead* See ya fish man!
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It is by
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Yours is I think using base 10 which gets the same result. You were just using a smaller scale. Except it isn't all that better. Seeing as I can neither confirm nor deny that I may or may not be doing some form of research on various things.
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Yay! by
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I had to start by making a little diagram with ten barrels in a circle inside a circle of the ten prisoners and drawing a little guitar-pick shape around each groups of prisoner and two barrels. It ended up looking like a flower. o.o
Then I was like, okay, if I do this ten times over and rotate everyone one space clockwise for each new group of barrels, I can get at least 100 barrels covered, so it definitely scales...
And I knew I could get new combinations by changing the positions of the prisoners...
So I just took a leap of faith from there.
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Ooh, I might actually get this one! by
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All of them, two days.
The first day, everyone guesses they have blue eyes. Half of them leave. The next day, the other half know they must have brown eyes, and they leave.
(The leader, well, he's the one making the decisions; he can leave whenever he wants.)
Gave myself the clue from the last one. ^_^
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In the real world, that's how it would work. by
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However, this is the Riddler's world! Things must be more complicated!
However, I have to admit, that was very clever. The riddle is said to be one of the hardest in the world, but you gave a perfect alternate answer. You win this round.
There will, however, be additional rewards for those who figure out the intended answer.
((Too be fair, it's one of the hardest in the world, according to the website I found it on. Seeing how hard the others were, I assumed it knew what it was talking about.)) -
You know Miss, I like the way you think. by
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Want to have a ride out of here? And maybe later, dinner... *wiggles eyebrow*
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Oh, wow. ^. ^ by
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Were I unwed, I would let you take me in a manly fashion. Cuz you're pretty. And sound like Nathan Fillion. ^_~
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*Clears throat* Sorry Ma'am... by
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*Creates a protective green bubble around Neshomeh* Time for the heroic rescue! I could phase us through the ceiling, or drill our way out. Your choice Ma'am. *roguish smile*
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Oh, the ceiling, by all means. by
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Whee, phasing through stuff! ^_^
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Too slow! by
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*takes Neshomeh, runs up the wall and phases with her through the ceiling* See ya Ma'am! *runs back into the lair*
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Oh man, it's my lucky day! by
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I don't know if you were Wally West or Barry Allen, but either way, you're awesome! Thanks! And you, too, Hal!
It's just a shame I didn't get to give either of 'em the traditional cheek-kiss of gratitude I was planning... *sigh* Oh well, off home with me.
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Aw, but it's traditional! by
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By the way, you're one of my favorites from Justice League and JLU. And since you're here and there's this chaste little peck going wanting... *grin*
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*raises brow* I am not aware of this Terran custom. (nm) by
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Well, it goes like this. by
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Bend down; you're really tall. *smacks J'onn a good one on the cheek* And that's that. Traditional Terran expression of gratitude to dashing heroes. {= D
... I wouldn't try it with Batman, though, I have to admit. He's so... Batman. o.o
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Hey J'onn! Ma'am...*bows head* by
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I think this simulation is over, Agent Dives bailed out, and one blonde idiot with a hammer crashed through the wall of the simulator. Excuse the language, Ma'am.
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Hmm, I see... by
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Archivist Neshomeh, the DC Universe Fanfiction University apologises for the inconveniences, this simulation is over and we will be leaving shortly. *They fly away and the rest of the League teleports away inmediately later*
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Oh Barry, come on! (nm) by
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And now I know. (nm) by
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Easy. by
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The Flash used his super-speed to tap out the color of Batman's hat in Morse code on the floor. He waited until the last minute so that the building could be surrounded by the Justice League while you weren't paying attention.
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You know Bats, I like this guy! (nm) by
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Did I mention they were all in full-body casings? by
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Believe it or not, I do know how to incapacitate my foes. I even lased them with Kryptonite, should Superman try to cheat and free them himself.
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Even from me? by
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I could have told him the answer, for all you know...
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Iunno what other people said... by
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(Internet went out, long story) You're talking about a man, his son and his grandson, obviously.
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Besides, riddle poems are much classier. by
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I was born in the dark
In the water I lay
'Neath the earth I was carried
Air's anger I stayed
To the light I was shown
In fire I died
You who seek for my secret:
In the ashes it hides.
^_^
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This is a chemistry puzzle, isn't it? by
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My first instinct says oxygen.
Born in the dark (of space)
In the water I lay (as the O in H2O)
'Neath the earth I was carried (until erupting into the atmosphere)
Air's anger I stayed (by making the atmosphere breathable)
To the light I was shown (once the clouds settled down)
In fire I died (fire consumes oxygen)
You who seek for my secret:
In the ashes it hides. (Okay, I don't have a clever thought for this one. But, um, something about carbon dating? Wait, maybe the answer is carbon... crud!)
Yeah, I dunno. It just made me think of the creation of the earth. {= )
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Though given the mechanics of combustion, the ashes don't quite fit...
Also: no, it's not a chemistry puzzle. ^_^
(Yyyyyep, I think you've sussed out how I was at school quite admirably. And church, for that matter. 'But what about...?')
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Oh, oh, oh, I think it's... by
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A plant!
As a seed, when it germinates, it's born in the dark, and feeds on the water, and when plants burn, usually their roots remain. *shrug*
How's this:What have I got in my pockets?
Little Nanny Etticote
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Ooh, I like that answer. by
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It's not the one I had in mind, but seriously, am I likely to say any answers are wrong, given my behaviour on this thread?
As for Nanny there... sounds like a flower riddle, but I can't come up with a 'right' answer. So how about some wrong ones?
-An ice lolly, melting in the sun. Probably one of those rocket-shaped ones, only mostly white with a red top.
-A literal old lady. Her back won't hold up to standing so long.
-An astronaut on a high-gravity body, for the same reason. ^_^
-A snowwoman!
-An exponential decay curve, drawn in red ink. The longer it gets (ie, further along the x-axis), the shorter it is (ie, lower on the y-axis).
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Not bad, but it was a candle. ;) by
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Here's another:
Elizabeth, Lizzie, Betsy, and Bess
All went together to seek a bird's nest.
They found a bird's next with five eggs laid.
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Four, because Elizabeth goes by many names. Lizzy, Beth and Bess are each one of them.
Here's another that I just made up:
When it's hot I am cold
When it's cold I am dead
I peek through the window
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Sigh.
Anyways:-
Each mark the grave of frittered sun
Each mark that shows what has been done
Each hill is scattered; not beyond
The ken of those whose eyes abscond
To those far-flung and hidden glades
Beneath the hanging dark of shades
Each mark the grave of frittered sun
Each mark to show what has been done.
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By any chance... by
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... is it freckles?
[[Agent Freckles: What? Me? Huh?
Agent Sandra: No, not you. Shh.]]
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Well, that was pointless. by
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Yes. =]
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Well, my first thought... by
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Was an air-conditioning unit, like a fan or something.
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Huh, that one's changed in the last century. by
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It shows up in Pygmalion in slightly different form, but with the meaning preserved.
And the answer, of course, is: all of them, because the police take a dim view of budding ecoterrorists.
Or: none, because after taking an egg, why would you stay out in the woods?
^_~
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They threw them back and recaught them. by
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Or one of the sons was three. "Well done, Jimmy! You caught that fishy all by yourself!"
One of them was dynamite fishing, and 'caught' the fish one of the others had on his line.
One man is the son of another, and has his own daughter - though she's not present. The other is a son (obviously!) of another absent couple.
One of the fish got away. ^_~
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Why don't we make it a logic puzzle chain? by
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Because, I cannot get enough of these things.
Here's a classic:
Three missionaries and three cannibals need to cross a river. They come across a boat that can carry two at a time. At least one person must be present to row the boat and if at any time the cannibals outnumber the missionaries on one side (including any in the boat), they will eat them. How can all people present be ferried safely to the other side? -
Swim. ^_~ by
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Or build another boat - the fact that there's both missionaries and cannibals present implies we're in some kind of 'primitive' society, which suggests the cannibals know how to build boats of some kind (that being a pretty important skill).
Or side with the cannibals and just let the missionaries get eaten. Down with cultural imperialism!
Walk upstream until the river is narrow enough to ford. This clearly isn't a meticulously-planned journey, since they didn't have a way to cross the river sorted in advance.
Track down the person who owns the boat and ask if they have another. I'm shocked that these missionaries were planning to steal it!
Tie a rope to the back of the boat and have the four who can't fit in hold onto it and be towed across.
Leave the wolf. Why did you have a wolf?
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Game Theory? Not exactly my strength. by
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But here it goes:
1. M,C cross. M returns. C remains.
2. C,C cross. C returns. C remains.
3. M,M cross. M, C returns. M, C remain.
4. M,M cross. C returns. M,M,M remain
5. C,C cross. C returns. M,M,M,C remain
6. C,C cross. No return. M,M,M,C,C,C remain.
Problem solved.
Or find a bigger boat. -
For the next game... by
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There are three cups A, B, and C. The rules are simple: All three cups must be right side up. Or in other words, capable of holding a liquid at the time. You must turn two cups at the same time. Cup B is upside down. You have six moves. Turn all Cups right side up.
1: Means right side up
0: Upside down
A=1
B=0
C=1
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Go get a fourth cup. Turn it and B over. by
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Distract the person setting the rules and turn the cups over while she's not looking.
Using a hacksaw, cut the 'bottom' off Cup B, and slide a piece of thin wood covered in glue under it. Wait half an hour, and ta-da! It can now hold water.
Point out that Cup B can already hold liquid - it's got a reasonably watertight seal against the tabletop.
Point out that the starting conditions break the rule that 'all three cups MUST be right-side up'. Modify the starting condition so that this rule is met.
^_~
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Under the given conditions it is supposed to be impossible (nm) by
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Nonsense. I just did it five times. by
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Well, four, if you discount the one which is 'cheat'. It's not my fault if you refuse to think outside the box for your think-outside-the-box logic puzzle.
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Its supposed to be mathematically impossible by
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Unless I set it up wrong
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Yes, I know. by
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But you didn't ask me to do it mathematically: you asked me to take three cups arranged like this:
u n u
And turn them into three water-holding cups. Which I did. Five different ways. The real world ain't a maths puzzle.
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Though Math does touch everything in some, way, shape, or form.
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I've heard versions of this one, and I never understood them (nm by
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Easy peasy! by
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Hiding with enters:
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It's a little boy, his father, and his grandfather, but you're right.
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Unfortunately... by
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The enter thing doesn't work here. It just skips the paragraph breaks and displays your message in its entirety.
Fun Fact! I started this post to present an even easier peasi...er solution, but I realized ST probably didn't mean there were three fish in the lake in total. -
Here's another riddle-story. by
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The Emperor of China decided to test his staff to find the wiser ones, so he put them into two groups. Both groups were put in separate rooms, and both received a wide round table of the best food and drink, but the catch was that each man had to sit three feet away from the table. This was because they all had to eat the food with chopsticks that were three feet long.
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So many options. by
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The first room was dark.
In the first room, one of the men quickly threw a tantrum and tipped over the paper.
The Emperor didn't sort the people at random: the people in the first room were the ones with allergies. Guess what the food was.
The first room had a table big enough that they couldn't do the feeding-each-other thing, because they couldn't reach.
The men in the second room cheated. ^_^
The first room's food was soup.
The men in the second room, quite sensibly, snapped the excess two feet off their chopsticks.
The men in the second room ordered in pizza and, since it wasn't included in the original edict, ate it with their hands.
No-one bothered to tell the men in the second room the rules.
Honestly, I think 'the first room was dark' is my best one here. Though I do like the cheating, too.
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My guess by
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First group tried feeding themselves, second group worked together.
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Yes. First group fed themselves, second one fed each other. (nm) by
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Bingo, Overlord! Well done! Here's another... by
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How can a baby fall out of 12-story building and live?
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Ooh, I know this one! by
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Though the variation I heard was a 'thousand story' building.
It's a library. Though a pretty poor excuse for a library if it only has a thousand stories. ^w^ -
It's a baby spider. ^_^ (nm) by
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Well...Babies Bounce... by
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Seeing as it only says a 12 story building and not the window of the 12th Story, I would have to say fell out the first story window, probably on to a nice patch of grass maybe about three feet or so from the window. Falls from a window onto a balcony.
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Yep, he fell from the ground window. Here's an actual riddle by
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Give me food and I will thrive, give me drink and I will die. What am I?
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Ooh, I know this one! by
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Elphaba, Thropp Third Descending, heir to the Eminent Thropp of Munchkinland, and occasional rebel against the Emerald City government. She is, after all, allergic to water... ^_~
"They say her soul is so unclean -- pure water will melt her!"
What?!
"Melt her! Please, somebody go and melt her...!"
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Except she isn't. by
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It was all a ruse. Assuming you chose to subscribe to Wicked's interpretation of the events.
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She is in the bo-ok. by
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Which is where the Eminent Thropp is found; in the musical, her father is the noble one, which says interesting things about the producers...
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Gotcha by
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When you quoted the musical, I just assumed musical. I have never had the opportunity to read the book. So my only exposure is the musical.
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Hmm. by
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Fire. If one throws wood (food) on a fire it will grow. If one throws water (drink) it will expire.
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Unless it's a grease fire. by
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If you throw water on one of those? BOOM.
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Short
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On average, 'board'. by
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It becomes 'boarder', which is only 28.5% tall letters, rather than a full 40%. ^^
Also, 'elope'. Add x and d, shuffle the letters around, and watch it explode. Guarantee it'll end up shorter once the bits hit the ground.
I'm still trying to find a chemical which has five elements in it, and is only two atoms shy of an explosive chemical... no luck, sadly.
Oh, and also the thing you're thinking of, which is a nicely out-of-the-box answer. ^^
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Your answers never cease to amuse me. by
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Okay, say I have three crates of fruit: one apples, one oranges, one apples and oranges. BUT, the labels are mixed up. Reaching into ONE, and ONLY one box, how do I solve the problem of which label goes where?
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Which doesn't even bend the rules as stated.
Weigh all three boxes. Since you haven't stated that they're all the same size, I'll also measure them and calculate their volumes. From their masses and volumes, I can calculate their density.
Apples and oranges are roughly the same size; we can therefore assume that they will pack in 3D space in virtually the same way, and that a mixture of the two will do so as well.
Apples and oranges have a different density. Therefore, our three boxes will have three different densities: the one in the middle will be apples+oranges, while the most and least dense will be homogeneous.
I suspect that the apples will be densest, but we don't need to make that assumption: take a single piece of fruit from the densest box. The least dense will be the other variety.
And that's how a scientist would go about it. ^_^
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Oh, can I do one? by
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I cannot see what you let in. Because of me, neither can anyone else. Who are we?
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I CAN look inside all of them. by
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You never told me I couldn't, just that I can't REACH into more than one.
Alternately, I throw two boxes away, and check to see what I've got left.
I shake all three boxes. One of them will make a horrible squishing sound as the apples smash the oranges. I then check one of the other two and label all three correctly.
I leave the crates for a week and sniff them. Rotting apples and rotting oranges smell totally different.
I slap the labels on at random. Well, you never said you wanted them on the corresponding boxes at the end.
Ehm... given that you've implied the labels are currently on the boxes and are all 'mixed up', that suggests no box is correctly labelled. I check one box. Let's say it's apples. I take the label off the box that's labelled apples and stick it on there. Then, since I know that the labels are all wrong, I take the remaining label off its box, stick it on the one I just cleared, and stick my spare on the last box.
I make up three labels saying 'FRUIT', stick them on, then reach in and have myself a snack. ^_^ All this labelling is making me hungry! (Man, I hope it's an orange...)
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Mathematics. by
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That guard from the 'one tells the truth, the other lies' after a few too many people have gotten angry at him.
A deaf, dumb, blind and honest person.
The sentence 'This is a sentence.'
Radiocarbon dating.
A heavily-weathered statue. Everything it 'tells' an archaeologist will be true. ^_~
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((Sorry for disappearing...)) by
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((Internet went kablooey a while ago, using a backup connection.))
The Mage and the Drone ignored the Notary. Pointedly, some may say. “No, we have not met. I am Navare and this is my partner Amris.” The Mage inclined his head while the Drone bobbed in the air. “DF-ESAS. We have received a message from one Desdendelle,” he told Rina, “he mentioned a certain need for… sane company, and asked us to… drop by… if we would chance upon you.” -
((Did they have any kind of reaction to Kala's moment?)) (nm) by
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New Mission! by
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In which Rina and Zeb head into Doctor Who for the first time. Coincidence? Probably not.
This is probably going to be my last mission out for a few weeks, seeing as how spring break is coming to an end. It was fun while it lasted, though. :D
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You know whatÂ’s coming when you see my name. by
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Zeb hesitated, but handed to her.
Missing Word.
Rina’s eyes widened a bit at hearing that, but then laughed to herself.
The image is hilarious, but since there are at least two eyes involved, shouldn’t they have laughed to themselves?
Reconsidering this, there may just a word be missing again.
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Hmm... by
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Was "there may just a word be missing" intentional? ;)
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I donÂ’t understand. by
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(Sorry, I’m not a native speaker.)
Are you calling me out for bad grammar?
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...maybe? by
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I really didn't know if it was intentional or not. I'm guessing it wasn't, then? In which case, yes, probably.
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I still donÂ’t get it. Can you explain? by
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What is wrong with this sentence? Did I unintentionally say something ridiculous or rude?
What would be a better way to say "I suspect that the second part of the sentence doesn’t really refer back to Rina’s eyes and that a pronoun or something may have been left out there"? Well, that may be better, but it is a bit long-winded.
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Lemme try. by
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"there may just a word be missing again" could have been better worded as "there may just be a word missing again".
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Thank you! by
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Apparently English word order is my great weakness, and MS Word Grammar Check doesn’t help me there.
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No problem. ;) (nm) by
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HG, you're awesome. (nm) by
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Yes. Yes I do. ;) by
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I'll fix those ASAP, thank you.
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"She can't regenerate in space"? by
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I don't see why the Sue couldn't regenerate in space.
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Yep, have a link! by
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TARDIS Datacore Wiki! Look under "Limitations".
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Ouch. by
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I... am not sure that's the sort of death I'd wish on even a 'sue! Then again, this one was pretty bad.
So... does that mean that a Time Lord's body tries to fit itself to its new environment on regeneration, and that some environments are too extreme for that to work, like in outer space? Would you grow gills if you died by drowning and regenerated? -
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where the Tenth Doctor perma-died from drowning. His body (or what little we were shown of it) seemed humanoid enough, but I guess it's possible his body tried growing gills. Who knows?
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Good work! by
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I like missions taking on multiple fics, because they are good at showcasing just how ridiculously similar the Sues can be.
And your Agents had really good interaction. And some good jokes. I loved the "Is that some kind of bird?" "Yes, let's just go with that" part. -
OT: I sent you an e-mail. (nm) by
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Thanks! by
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I actually found Ella Smith on the Pit the day before I went trawling the Unclaimed Badfic section on the Wiki and found Lily Smith, and I had to double-check to make sure they weren't the same story.
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The Rose bashing in the second one is really egregious. I mean, I don't care for her much, but I was completely disgusted by the way the Sue was treating her.
I really like the way you're handling Rina. One thing that I think is hard with Time Lord characters is making their regenerations have distinct personalities, but still having them be the same person. With Rina, I feel like you've hit the right balance. -
I'm rather fond of Rose. by
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Though it did get annoying when the writers kept bringing her back after "Doomsday". She's gone, let her go already!
But yeah, the Rose bashing was Not Cool.
Rina should start developing a slightly more different personality eventually. She /is/ still learning what she likes and doesn't like, never mind how she reacts to badfic. But thank you. :) -
Good luck! (nm) by
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Uh, thanks? But the mission's already done. (nm) by
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"Good luck dealing with the inevitable insanity afterward"? (nm) by
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You work too hard. by
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It's not early April yet. You need to slow down. And probably stop eating so much chocolate/coffee/other stimulant. :-p
Also: yay, new mission! ^_^
Also also: *sigh* Why's it always 'oh I'm [insert canon here]'s daughter and I'm a speshul snowflake *glitters*'? -
No, I just have a weird idea of fun. by
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*shovels more chocolate in mouth*
These two Sues were so alike it wasn't even funny, man. Actually, it was hilarious. :P -
Wait.... weren't you supposed to be resting? by
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*sigh* Here, have a Lava Cookie for each Agent, now off to rest with you!
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Eh, I can't sit still for long. by
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You know, metaphorically speaking. Besides, I gotta make the most of my free time while I have it!
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Heh, I know what you mean. XD (nm) by
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((The chain with 'Hey I go on tangents'? Sure.)) by
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((This is turning out to be a real Time Lord-fest: skipping though threads, splitting them apart, rallying at arbitrary points, the works.
*Looks at thread*
Derp. I completely forgot that the Guardsman had already asked about Rina's age. Let's ignore that and carry on, shall we?))
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Another new mission, but with a new team! by
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I really should stop making promises I can't keep. *sheepish grin* Enjoy, guys!
Introducing my new Bad Slash team, Arinellya and Kalen! For anyone wanting a visual before their profiles are up, have some pics.
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I Want To Say You're Working Too Hard, But... by
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I just love all these missions. These guys seem like they'll be a bunch of fun, so I'm already looking forward to the next mission.
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Thank you! by
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And like I said, writing missions is my main form of entertainment these days. Can you really blame me for doing it a lot?
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So thatÂ’s the draenei Androia could have met at RudiÂ’s. by
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We never talked to a draenei, since I only played the basic version of the game. But I’m still avoiding the other board. I have homework to do.
The replacements disentangled himself...
There is only one "replacement" to disentangle himself, the other exploded.
Kalen called in frustration, turning all the pockets inside out in frustration.
Should I call the Repetitive Department of Repetition or the Department of Redundancy Department?
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An interesting start. by
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First off, huzzah! Always nice to see more Bad Slash agents.
As Neshomeh previously said, I would've liked to see more exorcising and less killing. I know that sometimes having to get rid of character replacements is unavoidable in Bad Slash (speaking from experience), but even given that I feel like Slashers should try to avoid just acting like Assassins who have to put up with smut.
The character interactions between Arinellya and Kalen were good, if a bit limited. I think part of that was just due to the limitations of the story you chose to spork. I'm hoping to see more depth out of these two in future missions.
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Next story I pick will involve exorcisms. by
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If only to mess with Kalen a little. >:)
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It's nice to see a new DBS team. They're so underrepresented. I hope there's less killing and more exorcising in their future, though.
I like this line in Kalen's profile:
Kalen likes three things: Fighting, drinking, and looting.
Now I want to see him meet the PPC's Nac Mac Feegle clan. They ought to get along splendidly. ^_^
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Yeah, his player was a bit of a Munchkin. by
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I don't know how often these two will be getting out. Lots of fun to write, but Bad Slash isn't nearly as interesting as Sues.
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Just finished. by
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That was really good. Hope you do more stuff with this team in the future!
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I'm excited for these two. by
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Kalen, especially. He's a lot of fun to write.
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They look awesome! (nm) by
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Still working on the cleanup, I swear, but new mission! by
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We're still on the planning stage of that post-Rose Potter interlude, but we'll get it done. We promise. Eventually. Anyway...
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1) “Wait, who’s turn was it last time?” said Sarah.
"Whose", not "who's".
2) The terrified ex-Sue plot-holed away, and [MUTO] smashed into another building and killed 23 more people.
Generally, numbers should be spelled out. However, I'd like to have someone else weigh in on this as well, since it's clear that you're mocking an earlier line from the badfic.
3) Seizing his long snout with one clawed forepaw, he proceeded to rip into the struggling replacement’s furry chest with the other to get him to stop moving. Then, grabbing his mouth, he forced it open, the glow already starting to spread to the plates on his back.
This paragraph confused me. In context, I can tell what you're going for, but the paragraph itself has a few issues:
a) Seizing his long snout with one clawed forepaw, he proceeded to rip into the struggling replacement’s furry chest with the other to get him to stop moving.
It's clear from context that the mini-Godzilla is supposed to be the actor here. However, I doubt that Sonic's snout can plausibly be described as long. Couple that with the massive amount of pronouns, and this sentence can be a pain to muddle through. I'd suggest deleting "long" and replacing the "he" with the mini's name.
b) Then, grabbing his mouth, he forced it open, the glow already starting to spread to the plates on his back.
Common sense would dictate that the mini would have to let go of MUTO!Sonic's chest so that he could use both hands to force the replacement's mouth open. However, the sentence structure implies that the mini is holding on to MUTO!Sonic's chest and forcing the replacement's mouth open at the same time--a physical impossibility. Consider this fix:
The mini-Godzilla then grabbed the replacement's mouth and forced it open, the glow already starting to spread to the plates on the mini's back.
4) Speaking of minis, one more question: How is "Cloverfield" a mini? Not knowing the canon, it looks correctly spelled to me. -
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1) Fixed.
2) The satire of the badfic dialogue was intentional on my part. I'll probably keep the numbers as-is to drive the point home.
3) These two sentences have been changed to the following: Seizing MUTO’s snout with one clawed forepaw, the angry mini proceeded to rip into the struggling replacement’s furry chest with the other to get him to stop moving. He then grabbed MUTO's mouth and forced it open, the glow already starting to spread to the plates on his back.
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House-sized Minis of skyscraper-sized monsters? Ouch! by
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Your agents are very brave. I have no idea who these monsters are (besides Godzilla), but I liked what you did there.
May usual nitpicks:
Around ten minutes minutes later...
Too many "minutes".
...wishing he’d bought his Angel Bow.
I suspect you meant "brought".
...his jagged spikes began to break the surface even before he even began lifting his great bulk out of the sea.
Aren’t these "even"s a bit repetitive?
...he curled up into a ball and attempted to roll over the Lapis.
Should this "the" really be there?
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I had the crazy idea while writing this to grow the minis up to the size of Godzilla himself to deal with MUTO!Sonic as is, but shrinking him directly would've resulted in less collateral damage. Uh, relatively speaking. XD
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ConCrit? I think? by
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Look at me, writing (what I think is) ConCrit. I do apologise if the tone's a bit harsh, I've some problems with not saying things bluntly.
First things first, the exposition about Godzilla's moral is a bit ham-handed, it could be toned down with no loss of interaction or characterisation.
Second, I'm uncomfortable with Sarah and Lapis mentioning their author. Most PPC Agents don't know they're characters. There's a reason Swan's Egg is a big deal, after all.
Third, capitalisation minis are frowned upon, as far as I'm aware.
Fourth, I think that missions don't need soundtracks. Those notes just throw you out of the story, and anyway a good story stands on its one even without attaching music to it. A story isn't isn't a movie.
Fifth, Lapis' rant near the start of act two could use with some toning down – that's Excessive Emphasis right there.
Sixth – I mislike Cupid's sudden Genre Savvy. Isn't he a ditz? That simply doesn't fit.
Seventh – urm, I think if a Stu throws an agent OOC, they'd be under the Aura of Smooth and generally dizzy, not up-and-about...?
Eighth – I hope Lapis using her Sue powers will have consequences later on. Agents aren't supposed to rely on Sue powers.
Ninth – I'm pretty sure it's meant to be “Excuse me” and not “Excuse you” (near the start of the post-mission part). -
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I don't think it's fair to say that agents recruited from a fic shouldn't be aware that they were characters in a story. In fact, given that terms like "ex-Sue," "bit character," and "semi-fic blip" are common classifications, it seems unlikely they'd be able to avoid it. However, in PPC terms, that doesn't make them any less real. Directly referencing authors is a step farther than most take it,
I haven't read all of Swan's Egg, but based on Huinesoron's comments, it's about agents discovering the PPC is fictional. And while we know that the author they mention is the same one who is writing them now, in-setting only the first level of metafiction is available. -
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Some responses. by
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I'll fix up all the stuff tonight or tomorrow; I have to study again.
Anyway, yeah, I'll concede that I overdid Lapis' fangirling over Gidzilla - it was a bit of foreshadowing for her adverse reaction to the fic, though a few less sentences could do.
Sarah was told of her author by Falchion near the end of the mission where she was recruited, and Falchion discovered that he was an author's persona before then. As for Lapis, well... I'll answer that in due course. ;)
My beta didn't thiunk the no-caps justice league wasn't valid as a mini, but I'm not sure if the capital mini thing is a case-by-case basis or a general principle.
The rant could do with some de-emphasis, but the core element - Lapis losing it more than the others expected. The dialogue in general can also be patched up here and there, so my agents don't go OOC (especially not under the Aura of Smooth).
IIRC, Lapis accidentally plot-holed the agents into a wall on her first mission (though that may have been due to Cupid distracting her in the process). I'll try to find a way to deconstruct it in later missions. I hope. -
*pockets mini-Boarder and walks off whistling* (nm) by
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I can (mis)spell, me. (nm) by
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Um, you have me listed as a beta. (nm) by
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Fixed! (nm) by
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Thought I'd share this... by
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...it's a website where you chat as a fictional character. It's called ShamChat (www.shamchat.com).
So far I've mainly impersonated Doctor Who characters (Ace, Bernice Summerfield, Clara) but I was Hermione at one point.
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I think i'll check this out by
on 2015-03-29 14:27:00 UTC
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Might try Gilan from the Ranger's Apprentice.
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I may try this with some of my Smash Bros. faves. by
on 2015-03-29 04:20:00 UTC
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Because any opportunity to RP as Pit would be too fun to pass up. XD
Other choices I'd think of are Rodan, Violet Parr, Hiro Hamada, Aang, Jack Frost, and maaaaybe Hiccup Haddock III or Monkey D. Luffy.
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I think literally anyone's allowed. by
on 2015-03-29 07:58:00 UTC
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I talked to the reincarnation of Hitler yesterday.
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Just when I thought Monster Musume was safe... by
on 2015-03-29 04:35:00 UTC
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I find this. NSFW, by the way.
http://archiveofourown.org/works/3483839?view_full_work=true
I cannot emphasize how much is wrong with this. MonMusu is my favorite manga, and this is happening to it! It BUUUURNS, precious! -
AO3 is a strange, strange place. by
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As I shall prove below.
WARNING: NSFW, NSFB, NONCON, UNDERAGE, OTHER STUFF I'M NOT SURE IS EVEN LEGAL FOR ME TO BRING UP. THIS IS NOT A HAPPY PLACE.
The Domination Of Taylor
Apologies for the capslock, but this is a) a Bleepfic in excelsis and b) takes one of my favourite characters in the whole of fiction and subjects her to a parade of horrible indignities. Longtime viewers will know how much of a fangirl I am for Worm: a big part of the reason why is Taylor Hebert, because Taylor Hebert will kick your arse with butterflies. I'm not averse to shipping Taylor. I am averse to... well, to what happens in this.
Do not read unless you are possessed of an extremely strong stomach.
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As in Taylor's Dad?
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That was my reaction too. by
on 2015-03-29 20:14:00 UTC
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Well, it wasn't, but the Board would automatically censor my reaction and nobody wants to read five million ellipses.
The author's also written something called Naked Sex World. It is set in Worm. It is paedophilic to sufficient degree that I refuse to link to it directly. Vista - Vista - is one of the most sexually active characters in the fic. And no, she's not aged up.
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...ing HTML... (nm) by
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Betas requested by
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So I just wrote another mission.
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Is this that AO3 fic? by
on 2015-03-29 23:08:00 UTC
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If so, wow you write fast. I'll take a look at it if you want. Though I can't quite recall if you have my email or not...
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Indeed, it's the right fic. (nm) by
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Happy to take a look! =] by
on 2015-03-29 18:00:00 UTC
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I don't know Monster Musume, like, at all, so all I can do is check for grammar. On the plus side, I'm pretty much unsquickable, so that's nice.
Contact me at harry heath 99 at that email service where the mail is hot dot com. =]
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((Er, I don't follow.)) (nm) by
on 2015-03-29 18:39:00 UTC
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((I somehow added an apostrophe-S.)) by
on 2015-03-29 19:08:00 UTC
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((Made it look like Rina was hugging the Guardsman's hearts. XD ))
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"Well, there's a bit of a problem..." by
on 2015-03-29 18:42:00 UTC
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"See, if I did get my hands on an escafil device, which would be a feat in and of itself, I'd have to either have fresh blood or directly touch my old self. Gotta have living DNA for it to work." Rina looked at the Guardsman, her eyes welling up. "Would it be possible to— to time travel back and I could get a sample? Old me wouldn't have to know, I can even neuralyze her and I wouldn't have any memory!" She clapped her hands together. "Yes, that could work! ...Couldn't it?"
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"Well, portals can open..." by
on 2015-03-29 19:41:00 UTC
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"...almost anywhere in time and space," said the Guardsman, "so going back a few weeks ago in the PPC isn't totally out of the question. Besides, time works weirdly here. You're covered on that end. As for the device..." He scribbled an additional note his his booklet. "I can maybe place an equipment request though the DIA's Quartermaster. I'm gonna have to explain why I want a morph cube, yadda, yadda, yadda, but it's not totally out of the question. We'd need a morph-capable agent ready to operate it, though. I don't know any who are in HQ right now."
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"Well, there's Ilraen." by
on 2015-03-29 20:00:00 UTC
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"Ilraen-Aroline-Fothergill, Implausible Crossovers. I met him when I first came here and looked up his reports afterwards. Oh, this is just perfect!"
Rina was about ready to start cheering when a thought struck her. "But then... I mean, if something happened again... It's be nice to have the backup, you know?" She bit her lip, suddenly looking uncertain. "Um, this is a lot to think about." -
((Replying to both.)) by
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The Guardsman facepalmed. "Ugh, of course. You know when I said Time Lords had 'total recall'? Well, I'm an embarrassment to the entire race now. Hooray. Anyways... yeah! It seems like you got yourself a nice, convenient way out of your predicament. Maybe too convenient."
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"Oh, you just had to say that!" by
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Rina smacked the Guardsman lightly on the arm, but her brow was furrowed. "Can you see others' timelines? Is it possible to pull this off? There's no 'fixed point in time' crap going on?"
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"It's tricky but doable." by
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"Doubly so because this is the PPC. It's really, really vague because you're seeing all of these potential timelines at the same time but you can get a gut feeling for someone else's future. For example..." the Guardsman scanned the pub. His eyes settled on a nondescript young man sitting alone at a table. "The kinda ugly bowtie guy over there. Look at him. Think about his future. Can you see where he will be in one week's time? One year? Now, can you feel his far future bunching up like a bottleneck? That is a fixed point."
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then looked back at the Guardsman, shaking her head. "I'm sorry, I don't know what I'm doi—" She glanced back and suddenly felt it. Her mouth fell open. "Oh my god, that is weird."
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"Neat, eh?" by
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"He doesn't look like it but somehow this guy is at the centre of a fixed point in time. If you plan on sticking around the PPC for... thirty-odd more years then I highly suggest you talk to him. If not, then forget him."
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"Maybe I will later." by
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"I mean, I've got quite a lot to catch up on. Canons to reread. I don't know why, but not all my memories copied over properly." She scowled down at the table. "I can't remember the last time I forgot something. Ironic, isn't it?"
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"Then this is a perfect time for making memories." by
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"So long as they're Notary-free, of course. I seriously need to start watching my back around her: I'm sure that she'll try to strangle me in red tape now that I know that she had a friend at some point in her life." The Guardsman shrugged. "I'll deal with it when it will happen, I guess. But for now..." He picked up a menu on a nearby table. "Let's see. All of the sandwiches are off-limits... Hrm. Got any recommendations?"
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"I'm probably not the best person to ask." by
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"I mean, my old self used to love the tomato soup. Dunno if I still do or not. Might as well give it a try, I guess. I mean, who can hate tomato soup?" Rina grinned. "Seriously, though, thank you so much for just letting me talk. It's nice to be able to ask questions without worrying about having my head bitten off."
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"I'm not overly fond of tomatoes on their own..." by
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Vallon looked mildly sheepish. "I kinda prefer when they're tossed in with a bunch of other stuff, like in salsa. Straight-up tomatoes, though? Not my thing."
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"Hey, food is food," said the Guardsman. by
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"And anything is better than the old nutri-pills I used to swallow three times a day. Let's see..." The Guardsman waved down a passing waiter. "Excuse me! Yes, hello. I'd like to order... the tomato soup, a large meat lover's pizza, the barbecue wings, one basket of garlic bread-- no, make that two, please, the eggplant casserole, the large salad, balsamic vinegar on the side, please, and just water to drink." The Gallifreyan looked at the other two agents. "So, what are you guys having?"
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Rina stared at the Guardsman for a moment. by
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"Um, I'll take the tomato soup as well, and, eh, a cup of Earl Grey. No Bleep, very allergic. Oh, and can you get a basket of Sweet Poffins for the Luxray at that table?" She pointed at Zeb.
Looking back at the Guardsman, she grinned. "Nutri-pills? Man, I can't blame you for wanting to eat everything you can."
She shifted in her seat. "Look, I've been thinking about how to ask you, but I figure there's no point beating around the bush, so I'm just gonna say it. You're a real nice guy, and I'm brand-new to this whole Time Lord thing. Would you... I mean, would you be willing to, y'know, show me the ropes? Even if I did manage to read every book on the subject, there's still a lot of stuff I'd need help with..." She swallowed, hearts pounding as she looked hopefully at the older Time Lord. "...Please?"
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"Yeah, sure." by
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"I not sure what you want me to teach you about Time Lords: I mean we just breathe, walk around, and are mind-blowingly awesome compared to humans," said the Guardsman, "but yeah, I'm game. If you got any questions for me just head on down to DIA central and ask for me at the reception. If I'm not on duty I'll swing by and see what you need. If you don't have time for a visit..." The Time Lord scribbled a series of instructions on one of his notebook's pages. He ripped it out of the notebook and give it to Rina. "Just type this little line of code into your console's terminal window. It will activate a little subroutine that should get one of my partners' attention. Good old TB will take a message or patch you through to me lickety-split."
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Rina took the paper with a trembling hand. by
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"Oh, thank you, thank you so much," she said, laughing with sheer giddiness. "I know a lot of this stuff is probably second nature to you, but I haven't the faintest when it comes to telepathy, and time sense, and probably a lot of other stuff I don't even know about." Her voice jumped up several notes and she grinned abashedly. "And regeneration aftereffects like you mentioned..."
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"Any sense of time is better than mine." by
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"I couldn't tell you if it's been half an hour or five of 'em. I also couldn't tell you the difference between fifty and twenty feet, so spacial awareness is probably a good thing to have too, assuming Time Lords get that."
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((No, he really doesn't.)) by
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"Steady on there, young lady. You're going to start hyperventilating if you keep this up," said the Guardsman. "Oh yeah, I totally forgot to ask: who's your partner? I suppose that they were the hero that turned you into a Time Lord, right?"
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"He's the blue and gray lion thing over there," Rina said, p by
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"And where in the name of all the authors he got the idea, I don't..." Her mouth suddenly fell open. "Oh my god, he actually remembered?" She began to laugh. "Sorry, it's just that fairly early into Rose Potter, I made a Doctor Who reference, and he didn't get it because he'd never seen the show before. I told him the basics, and mentioned that werepenguin guy. I had no idea he'd remember that!"
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"Oh, that guy I know of." by
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"I heard stories of him running around HQ. His reports are actually quite interesting," said the Guardsman, "but he left HQ four years before my arrival so I never got a chance to talk to him." The Guardsman studied Zeb from a distance. "So lion-boy over there... is he one of those Pokey-men? I saw a guy in Patrol command a quartet of them."
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((My mom's beaten the Diamond E4.)) by
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((It's nice because she actually understands what my brother and I are talking about when Pokémon comes up. XD ))
"Yes, he's a Pokémon, a Luxray, to be exact." Rina caught Zeb's eye and he nodded at her, then returned to his companions. "So, how long have you been an agent? I have no idea when the werepenguin guy was here, so..." She shrugged. "I've been here for a little over a year." -
"Been here for nearly two years." by
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"I fell into HQ a couple of days after the initial run of Day of the Doctor, " said the Guardsman. "My future partners found me smouldering at the base of Big Tree. I regenerated in front of their eyes, had a chat about where I was, and they hauled me to Medical. Naya and Terabyte both decided to show me the ropes and I've been hanging around ever since. Speaking of origin stories, where did you live on Earth? I already told you a bit about Gallifrey so why don't you tell me a bit about yourself?"
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"America. Indiana, to be exact." by
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"Twenty-first century. I was a pretty average kid. Started reading to myself at three, but otherwise very normal. Liked reading, writing. Never imagined a place like the PPC existed until I fell in. No idea what happened— L-space, maybe?— but one morning when I was getting ready for school, a hole just opened up beneath my feet and I was dumped in the Cafeteria. Ilraen asked me if I was alright and I kind of fainted at that point."
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"Ooh, a fellow Hoosier!" by
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Valon's undivided attention was suddenly on Rina. "Have you ever been to Holiday World? Have you ever seen the Lazy Muncie video? How big a fan are you of Garfield?"
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Rina recoiled slightly at the enthusiasm. by
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"Uh, yes, several times, no, and I prefer Calvin and Hobbes." She gave Valon an uncertain smile. "You from World One, or somewhere else?"
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"Aye, Cap'n!" by
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"I prefer C&H myself, but I just think it's funny that I once lived a couple hours away from Jim Davis. Course, when I joined the PPC, I lived an hour or two away from Bill Watterson. I've lived all over the place: Indiana, Maine, Arizona, Ohio, an omnidimensional accretion nexus..." On saying this, he looked around. "Huh... I wonder if I could find the Inventory here. I'd love to play poker with Sam and Max."
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The Guardsman sat at the table next to Rina's... by
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...and half-listened to the conversations around the pub. His eye caught Gaspard's from across the room. The spy returned the look and raised three fingers of his left hand, then pointed at himself. Meeting in three hours at his RC. The Guardsman discreetly nodded. Gaspard, satisfied, returned to his drink.
Eventually, the food arrived. Five waiters burdened with food made their way to the Time Lord's table and arranged the food around him. The Guardsman thanked them and promptly loaded his plate with a monstrous slab of pizza and a generous portion of salad. As he drizzled the greens with the vinegar, he asked Rina: "So... I know you're probably sick to death of having to retell your story but I really need to know. How exactly did you mission get to the point where you engaged the Sue and she tore you a new one? I thought DMS' unofficial motto was 'sneaky-beaky-like'. Was she just plain overpowered or were you trying to kill her with a paperclip?"
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Rina paled even further. by
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"Overpowered doesn't begin to cover it," she mumbled. "I don't know why the Flowers picked us, but we were sent into— into Rose Potter." Rina took a deep breath, trying to steady her shaking hands. "Zeb and I had killed her other five fics with no problem, but the last time, she caught us off-guard. Teleported in before we were ready. She kicked Zeb into a wall and..."
The memories came rushing back and Rina shuddered violently, wanting nothing more than to curl up in a ball under the table. "I— I got hit. Puncturing Curse right here." She gestured with a trembling hand, blinking hard. "A-and then there wasn't a whole lot of anything for a while. The next thing I remember is Zeb screaming about a remote and then suddenly I was regenerating."
She left out the part where she could remember bleeding out on the floor, never mind seeing her own intestines. People were trying to eat, after all.
Rina was fighting the urge to burst into tears. She was not a cryer, not in any regeneration. Not a cryer, not a cryer—
It was no good. She put her face in her hands, furiously wiping away the tears that she couldn't seem to stop.
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...but stopped short. He didn't know if Rina would want a hug.
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Sumisu burbled a bit. by
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The mini-Suu, apparently oblivious to Rina's freakout, started nuzzling her foot. Sumisu looked up expectantly at her.
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"Oh. Oh, dear." by
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The Guardsman immediately made his way towards Rina, taking care not to set a foot on the little goo mini that was gurgling by her feet. He put a hand on her shoulder and leaned in. "It's all right, child," he said, patting her shoulder. "Let it out; everyone gets the Shakes every now and then. This Rose girl-- she got you good but you came back stronger. That's how it is: they will try and they will fail. And... I'm sorry for bringing it up. It's a bit too soon, right? I'll shut up about it. There, there. You're with friends now and she's six feet under. You're okay."
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"Mmvrrppmmrrd Svvvs?" by
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Valon gulped down a slice of his Buddhist pizza and reiterated his question. "Overpowered Sues? Considering what we killed cleaning up the mess, I'm guessing that yes, Rose was overpowered. And I know what overpowered Stus are like. I had to kill a replacement of a character who canonically survived a nuclear warhead. In a continuum that didn't have the materials to take him down. On my second mission. Yeah. Sure am glad that there was a slime nearby."
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Valon started singing again. by
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"I loved a maid as fair as summer, with sunlight in her hair.
I loved a maid as red as autumn, with sunset in her hair.
I loved a maid as white as winter, with moonglow in her hair.
I loved a maid as... uh..." Valon paused. "... dammit, George R. R. Martin hasn't shown the whole song yet. Oh well, I'm pretty sure that the maid has flowers in her hair in the spring verse." -
"Pizza pizza pie?" by
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"I'll have the Buddhist pizza, please."
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"Hm..." by
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"Isn't Rayner's partner a shapeshifter?"
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"Who?" by
on 2015-03-29 19:53:00 UTC
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"And more importantly, did they acquire their shapeshifting abilities though the Andalite device? If not, they can't use the cube to give others the ability to morph."
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Valon blinked a few times. by
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"Andalite? I think there actually is one of those here. Isn't he partnered with that cranky DIC agent?"
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Worst fic you've ever seen. by
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I'd like a short synopsis, plus a link, if you have one, to the worst badfic you have ever seen. Just a little way to let off some steam, you know? It doesn't even have to be NSFW/NSFB, just bad. Of course, if your most hated fic happens to be those things, don't hesitate to post!
Now, to reward you all for doing this, I dug this up. Enjoy! (Prototype goodfic involving kittens.)
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Well, this was... quite informative. by
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Sounds like I have some new things to read, if I'm ever overcome with morbid curiosity. Which is quite often, sadly.
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Worst fic... Hm. by
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Well, I have read a lot of bad fanfic before. Sadly, the worst I have ever read no longer exists. Here is the basic rundown:
A Red and Black Alicorn OC (tm) becomes such after making a deal with the Devil. No, not some pony Devil, our Devil. He broke through the Fourth Wall, and came to our world, summoned Satan, and became a demon. Sort of. In reality, he has a demon trapped in his hooves. No, this is not a metaphor. It is quite literally trapped in his hooves.
So, now with a massive gash in time and space, religion comes to Equestria. Satanism and Christianity to be precise. Absolutely no other religions come over. At all. Now because of Christanity coming to Equestria, same sex marriage is banned in most places except Ponyville. Because. Reasons. Also, modern military weapons and tactics come to Equestria and they are now at war with:
a. griffons
b. changelings
c. another pony race
If you guessed a, NO DUH! It's always the griffons!
So, Gary Stu is a Modern Major General, who threatens to gut people with his katana if they misbehave. He is the most skilled swordsman ever in pony history. His katana was his cutie mark before his deal with the devil. Now it has 666 behind it.
Oh, this is all just beginning though! Turns out Pinkie is possessed by a demon. You get one guess as for what demon!Pinkie does. If it was anything other then make Cupecakes, you do not know MLP badfic. Turns out, ponies know she kills ponies and makes them into baked goods! It's OK! That's. Just. Pinkie!
No, let me rant some more. Those three words are used everywhere. Gary Stu hunts down Pinkamena, but most ponies don't see it as demonic possession. They see it as Pinkie just being Pinkie! Yep, crazy Pinkie Pie, always throwing parties, making balloons appear out of nowhere, and killing ponies to eat! That's just her, you know!?
And Gary Stu, oh, Gary Stu has the seventh Element of Harmony. Whoda think, there was another one. Turns out, element number seven, the mission element that represents an aspect of Friendship amongst others? DARKNESS! Because that's what we need!
This fic is one of the worst, on so many levels. The Stu is so OP he makes Rose Potter look weak, the religion bashing is over the top, almost every character is OOC, and it tries so hard to be funny but it just FAILS!
Reading back over this, this is just a huge rambling rant on my part. I am going to leave it the way it is. I hate this fic. Yet, at the same time, I wish it was still around. It was perfect mission material, and not because of how much I hate it. I saw so many gags, moments for character interaction, exploring how Pinkamena could exist after the Cupcakes mission, just... So many wonderful things to mission in here. But now, it is gone. I still have a copy. Perhaps, if I get very bored, I might mission it anyway, for myself. It is such a shame you all will never be able to read the worst fic I ever read:
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Good... Good God. by
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That's definitely some epic mission material right there. I hope someone has a copy or backup of this 'fic somewhere.
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I have a copy. by
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And it really is prime mission material. It was like some unholy mixture of every single bad MLPfic trope, brewed in the deepest darkest parts of the Pit. It was like the author looked at a list of what not to do in fanfiction, and used it as a checklist! PC, I can feel you glaring disapprovingly, but I swear, I'm not just saying this out of anger. I had so many gags, exploration of characters and themes, everything! It was going to be epic! But...
Well, it was deleted. And it's just darn rude to mission a fic that was taken down for a reason, you know? Still...
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Best rant I've seen all day! by
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Now that right there was a nice rant. I hope you spork that thing someday, because it certainly sounds like mission material!
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And there is just so much more to complain about! by
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Like, for example, the fact that Gary Stu marries Twilight Sparkle, despite her friends all saying he is a bad influence, and how (I think, can't quite remember) HE HITS HER!
Or how Gary Stu wants to kill Celestia, becauseLUNA IS DA BEST ERMAGURD LUNA LUUUUNA!!!he is evilz, brah.
Or how Gary Stu is an alicorn but HATES being called one. It really rustles his jimmies.
Or the fact he calls "going into a murderous rampage because people pointed out I have wings and a horn," rustling his jimmies.
Or the fact others call his rampages "rustled jimmies."
Or the fact I'm still talking about rustled jimmies!
Or how Gary Stu was The Doctor's companion, because. Reasons.
Or how Celestia is totally OK with literal spawns of Satan living among her people and marrying her favorite student!
Or how Devil Worship is totally allowed and totally cool, yo.
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I would read the buck outta that mission. (nm) by
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I don't know. I might do it. by
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MLU first, though. Need to get that done. Then, perhaps, I take on the Pink Shadow.
I mean, I practically have a charge list already! I mean, it's going to be twice as long, but I have half of it already, right? That counts for something.
By the way, MFW I read this thing:
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I count myself fortunate. by
on 2015-03-30 19:45:00 UTC
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For I have never read anything truly horrific or disgusting, that wasn't intended to be.
I've read confusing ones, like My Immortal and HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, but nothing that was just soul-sucking "Oh my god, who would DO this!?" bad.
I take the Legendary Badfic warnings at face value. The most masochistic I get is playing stupidly hard video games. And eating food so spicy that I temporarily lose my sense of taste. -
Thirty Hs never fails to make me giggle. by
on 2015-03-30 23:19:00 UTC
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If only due to the sheer absurdity of it all. I mean, groinsaws? Moonbases that aren't on moons? Guitars named F*ckslayer? Dumblecop with cursed mummy armor and a leg made out of pistols that he uses to kick planets in half? Vampire cavemen on Mars? You can't get much more hysterical than that.
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And that's why I shall never consider (H)30 "bad". by
on 2015-03-30 23:57:00 UTC
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That author knew exactly what (s)he was doing.
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Can you be a fan of a fanfic? by
on 2015-03-31 00:02:00 UTC
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Because Thirty Hs was so far beyond simple crackfic that it roasted my brain in a good way. If that's possible. Seriously, that is my favourite fic!
- People have written fanfiction of Thirty 'H's. by on 2015-03-31 00:07:00 UTC Link to this
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Thank you for this! (nm) by
on 2015-03-31 00:48:00 UTC
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There's also an MLP one... by
on 2015-03-31 00:55:00 UTC
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but the original 'fic is no longer accessible. Google "PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP" or "29 P's".
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Oh, oh, there's also Dipper Goes to Taco Bell. by
on 2015-03-30 18:19:00 UTC
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Basically Cupcakes, but with Gravity Falls characters.
There's a rather infuriating Doctor Who one I'm planning on tackling for my next mission. Basically, when Rose looks into the Time Vortex, the TARDIS turns her into a Time Lady and the Doctor's "bonded mate". Three guesses what they had to do to complete the bond. -
Three guesses? by
on 2015-03-30 22:45:00 UTC
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- They had to reverse the polarity of the neutron flow?
2. They had to unmeld the technoblasm from the kamilion branch?
3. They has to the Hokey Pokey?
a. Turn themselves around?
b. That's what it's all about?
- They had to reverse the polarity of the neutron flow?
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Oh, don't I wish. by
on 2015-03-30 23:27:00 UTC
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At least you gave me something giggleworthy to think about while I spork that scene. :)
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Could have been worse. by
on 2015-03-30 23:32:00 UTC
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I could have made a Walk the Dinosaur joke.
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...you just had to go there. >.> (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 23:41:00 UTC
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Sorry. :( by
on 2015-03-30 23:46:00 UTC
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I'll just be going now.
*Opens the door*
*Gets on the floor*
EVERYBODY WALK THE DINOSAUR!
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How did "had to do" become "has to"? (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 23:16:00 UTC
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That's a hard choice by
on 2015-03-30 17:03:00 UTC
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I've read so many. I mean, I think we can all agree that My Immortal wins the award for worst on a technical level, y'know SPaG and stuff, but I think Sweet Apple Massacre is the one that made me cringe the most. I'm not linking it, because that would require to go look for it again, but a short synopsis is that it's a MLP fic where Big Mac does VERY BAD THINGS to the Cutie Mark Crusaders.
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Would it be possible to just say "All MLP Shockfics"? by
on 2015-03-30 17:27:00 UTC
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Seeing as they're all, you know, kind of interchangeable?
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Speaking of MLP shockfics... by
on 2015-03-30 21:06:00 UTC
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There's this one, which I had mentioned before, and it's among the worst fics I've actually read. WARNING: NSFB, both literally and figuratively.
I think I'm gonna claim it, though I don't really know how I'll hide my agents (well, not exactly agents at the time, but SPOILERS) in a well-lit small room with a Character Replacement. -
Is this thing following me!? by
on 2015-03-31 02:47:00 UTC
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Seriously, I found this one back when it was first posted! One of my brony friends showed it to me. They couldn't even get through it all.
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SON OF A WERECHIHUAHUA, WHYYY?! (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 21:52:00 UTC
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I dunno by
on 2015-03-30 20:47:00 UTC
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I mean I only read Cupcakes, which was meh, and SAM. I've basically avoided most pony fics because I just don't wanna get sucked back into that fandom.
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101 Days of Blueblood by
on 2015-03-30 14:45:00 UTC
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I believe I've mentioned before that I well and truly loathe MLP shockfics, as they're incredibly pointless and don't really exist for any reason other than to offend people.
101 Days of Blueblood is a shockfic, but it's also so unbelievably long and so unbelievably boring...
Link goes to a riff. Don't even give this author views.
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Twow is insane for taking this on. by
on 2015-03-30 23:43:00 UTC
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He has my eternal respect for making it through the entire fic. most drop off after the first chapter. Go ahead man, ship yourself with Fluttershy. After what you went through, you deserve what comfort you can muster.
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If anyone wants to mission this... by
on 2015-03-31 10:59:00 UTC
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Tough luck. I'm doing it after I finish Suicidal Nightmare.
What? Can't let Iximaz do all the bleepfics, now can we? =]
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The one thing that continues to BOTHER me about that 'fic... by
on 2015-03-31 00:02:00 UTC
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Is that while most of the characters have occupations roughly similar to their canon ones and slightly modified to fit the author's weird regency romance medieval fetish, Rainbow Dash is inexplicably turned into an assassin. And a nun.
She'd have a better home in HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, I'm sure of it. -
Don't you mean 120 Days? (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 14:55:00 UTC
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I subconsciously wanted to make the 'fic shorter... (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 14:59:00 UTC
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*snerk* I can't blame you. (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 15:58:00 UTC
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Naruto Veangance Revelaitons (sic) by
on 2015-03-30 12:36:00 UTC
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It may be a troll fic, but the author is WAY to good at making it bad:
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Well... by
on 2015-03-30 03:52:00 UTC
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https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6254959/1/Memoirs-of-an-OC-Outsider-Character
Here's this. I've never fully read it because It's 41 chapters and that, to me, seems too long. Also the author of this fic wastes two chapters to explain her fic (uses a big chunk of it to defend her oc) and to explain the Japanese words she uses, both of those chapters were unnecessary. -
Weeeeell... by
on 2015-03-30 03:38:00 UTC
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...let's just say that I've got hideously gruesome plans for, well... this.
There's a reason the link goes to the TV Tropes article. Read it... if you dare. >;) -
Why. by
on 2015-03-31 00:56:00 UTC
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I feel dirty just by reading this. I'm 100% that this is a masterfully designed trollfic but that doesn't make it any better.
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*hands over Bleepka and Bleepolate* by
on 2015-03-31 01:01:00 UTC
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*shortly followed by Pink Stuff*
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*E.V.L. screaming in the distance* by
on 2015-03-31 02:26:00 UTC
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Same here, buddy. Same here. *pats shoulder*
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Wow. by
on 2015-03-30 23:30:00 UTC
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It's like the mirror universe version of Chatoyance's fics. I... Don't know which is worse. Both? Both.
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... Wow. Just... Wow. by
on 2015-03-30 19:55:00 UTC
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I think I'm gonna call trollfic on that one. I want to believe that no one would write that seriously.
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What did I even read??? by
on 2015-03-30 18:04:00 UTC
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I pity the TVTroper who had to try to write a comprehensible summary of... whatever that was.
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*shakes head* by
on 2015-03-30 03:58:00 UTC
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I wish that my morbid curiosity didn't get the better of me so easily. I now have to read that fic, which I will most likely regret. Well, wish me luck!
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Oh god by
on 2015-03-30 03:32:00 UTC
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TSAB: Downfall.
God. That fic just drives me incoherent with rage. It's almost blatantly some guy who thinks that because the Nanoha-verse has themes about friendship and understanding your enemies it's lame and needs to be EDGIER.
Fun fact, I actually wrote the execution to that fic right after I finished reading it, on a bus, in the Notes app of an iPhone, in like an hour. And I pretty much never write scenes out of order, I was just that angry. -
This. So much this. by
on 2015-03-30 04:41:00 UTC
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Yeah, let's take the Nanohaverse and make it about trivialised mass murder, it's the right thing to do, no?
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I only read the sporked version. by
on 2015-03-30 11:08:00 UTC
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It still disturbed me, and I know nothing about the continuum in question.
Let's see, other than Rose Potter, which is a given, I'd have to go withFifty Shades of Grey120 Days of Blueblood. It's about Prince Blueblood from MLP: FiM doing unspeakable things to the Mane Six. The first chapter alone (involving Rarity, Sweetie Bell, and their mother) made me feel ill while reading it. -
I made Ix read that and I'm a horrible person. =] by
on 2015-03-30 11:49:00 UTC
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That said... well, funnily enough, it's probably 120 Days or anything by AO3 ostensibly-person Axxor for me as well. I refuse to link to them on grounds of basic human decency.
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If you made Ix read what I think you made Ix read... by
on 2015-03-30 23:37:00 UTC
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What is wrong with you!? 120 days? Really! You made her read that!?!
I barely read through the Riff of it! And she got sick at Cupcakes! What the heck, man?
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Y'all are adorable. by
on 2015-03-31 11:25:00 UTC
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To put it in context - I don't get squicked out at stuff. I just tend to get angry more than anything else, and sometimes I forget that other people don't react the same way to more, ahem, outré pieces of fiction. I've read The 120 Days of Sodom (what of it de Sade completed). Mostly, I find it fascinating what the human mind is capable of. Also that we desire balance so much - compare the rash of MLP shockfics to the festival of kittens and snuggles that is (my experience of) the PMMM fandom's outpourings - but that might well be confirmation bias on my part, Iunno. =]
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Nah, she didn't. by
on 2015-03-31 00:11:00 UTC
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And I discovered Cupcakes when I was an innocent little 12 year-old. Now it just makes me roll my eyes and go 'ew'.
She just linked me 120 Days (with all the warnings it entailed) and I read it out of a kind of morbid fascination, wondering just how depraved it could get. The only thing that got me through it was the knowledge that the author deliberately made it a grimderp shockfic. -
Oh. Good. by
on 2015-03-31 00:54:00 UTC
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Sorry Scapegrace. I misunderstood.
Just curious, how far did you get? Because, much as it fulls me with disgust, the last chapter almost makes the fic into something I almost want to professionally analyze. I suppose you all don't care about spoilers to a (unofficially) Legendary Badfic, do you? Good.
In the end, Trixie leads a revolution, and wins! All of the royalty involved in the sick things that occur in the fic are put to be executed. How? By having them turned to stone by a cockatrice, then killing the cockatrice. This does not kill them, per se. Rather, it traps them as living statues, unable to move, unable to act, and forced to watch as the world continues without them. They have no mouths, and they must scream.
I won't lie, that last chapter was very cathartic. The evil people were defeated, and punished severely for it. Is it enough for what they did? No. But it is almost as close as you can get. Yet... why is it that torturing and killing these people is morally justified, while everyone else's deaths were seen as the worst acts of humanity? The entire point of Blueblood's little club was taking part in all of the possible pleasures that we deny ourselves because of "morality." We say, these people are monsters. Rightfully so, might I add. And yet, how did I feel when they killed Blueblood? It was darn near erotic. My soul was so full of justice, I could burst! It was an almost sexual pleasure. Now, wait a minute...
I don't know, maybe I'm insane, but there seems to be something of value here in this piece of garbage smut. Something worth analyzing, and taking a second look at. If I could muster a second look, that is. -
I read the whole thing. The whole thing. by
on 2015-03-31 00:58:00 UTC
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And I'd have to agree, a psychologist could have a field day with this piece of... work. Or a well-armed sporker.
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You have my sympathies. by
on 2015-03-31 01:04:00 UTC
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Here, I think I have an ancient druid's ritual to help calm and clear the mind. It'll just take a moment...
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*sends you to the MOOOON* (nm) by
on 2015-03-31 01:09:00 UTC
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No.There's an awful lot of babanas up here. by
on 2015-03-31 01:23:00 UTC
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Obligatory link Reminder that there is foul language here.
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*noms babana* by
on 2015-03-31 01:26:00 UTC
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Tastes a bit like a snozzberry.
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... Wow. That is an epic amount of fail in one post. by
on 2015-03-31 01:24:00 UTC
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Teach me to hit that enter key too soon.
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RC 211 Mission 2: Of Timeline Butchery by
on 2015-03-30 03:29:00 UTC
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bBv3aInS8ZzW8E0Fu3odXU4JJVeAa9xcqCAbGrZWRks/pub
In which Kala and Valon stop the lemons before they start. And I finally get to show off what Kala can do.
This happens after the Rose Potter cleanup, even though that hasn't been fully written yet. -
Typo? by
on 2015-04-02 15:47:00 UTC
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...just with a bit a flirting from Rachnera.
Shouldn’t this be "a bit of flirting"?
I don’t know Monster Musume, so my only comment is: read it, didn’t understand half of it, liked what I did understand, find nothing else to say.
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Good work! by
on 2015-03-30 19:05:00 UTC
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A little shorter than I'm used to, but not every mission has to be forty-something pages, y'know?
I liked the bit at the end where Lala's head landed in Valon's lap. XD Does that happen in canon, her head landing wherever the joke demands? -
Not really, but... by
on 2015-03-30 19:13:00 UTC
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It's more or less how she's introduced.
See, her body finds Kimihito, but she's lost her head and can't find it in the dark. The rest of the chapter is spent headhunting. -
Aaaand all the wiki editing's done! I work fast. (nm) by
on 2015-03-30 04:03:00 UTC
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Advice on my future agents by
on 2015-03-30 15:31:00 UTC
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I know I've only been here for about a week, but I've already come up with the two agents I will use when I do get permission. I want them to be really good when it happens, so can some people leave their emails so they can "beta" them for me? Be as honest and brutal as possible.
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I can also take a look. by
on 2015-03-30 20:08:00 UTC
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My email is poorcynic(at)me(dot)com.
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I'll take a look by
on 2015-03-30 19:14:00 UTC
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My email is riderranger 47(at)gmail(dot)com
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I'll take a look or three. by
on 2015-03-30 15:39:00 UTC
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Email is sur DOT nhm AT gmail DOT com.
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[Plug][Beta] Palaven's Dogs: A Mass Effect RR fanfic. by
on 2015-03-30 17:26:00 UTC
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I posted this a while back, but it immediately got buried under three or four megathreads, so if nobody minds I'll go ahead and repost it now that things are a bit quieter:
As I have recently dragged myself out of an enormous pile of college, I thought I'd share something new I've started to work on (with an actual real live coauthor!): Palaven's Dogs, a Mass Effect 'fic set in the universe of College Fool's Renegade Reinterpretations essay-fic. It's still in a relatively rough draft at the moment and updates will be slow, but I'm ready to request betas for the first few chapters.
The 'fic, or at least a Google Doc of the 'fic, can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w-7OHvD7OGKpx2KHP9P7Gknv65VVvnuuY1A_PZqrwkU/edit
Happy reading!
(You should be linked directly to the Prelude, with editing permissions, the other chapter linked from the first with a little MSPA "==>" thing just before the closing A/Ns. If that doesn't happen, notify me here.) -
Notification by
on 2015-04-02 15:52:00 UTC
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Apparently following the link to the other chapter requires login.
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Should be fixed. by
on 2015-04-02 18:01:00 UTC
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Thanks.
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Ok, NOW it should be fixed. (nm) by
on 2015-04-02 18:32:00 UTC
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Question (spoilers for Higurashi) by
on 2015-03-31 03:51:00 UTC
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So. There's this series, Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni.
In this series, a lot of the crazy going around town is caused by a disease, Hinamizawa Syndrome, that induces psychosis, paranoia, anxiety, and ultimately leads to victims clawing their throats out, due to a sensation of insects crawling under their skin.
The disease has something to do with entering the town itself.
Question: Wouldn't this make it really freaking dangerous for agents to work in the When They Cry continuum? Especially if an infected agent reaches Level 5 of infection. At that point, the patient is a danger to themselves, because that's when the tactile hallucinations come in and prompt the throat-clawing. -
Uh, wow. by
on 2015-03-31 23:21:00 UTC
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I was not expecting to provoke this much discussion!
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Clarification by
on 2015-03-31 19:28:00 UTC
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Here's the article on Hinamizawa Syndrome from the When They Cry wiki. Read only if you don't care about spoilers.
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I've thought about this before... by
on 2015-03-31 16:43:00 UTC
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...although not in this particular context. Specifically, my concern when the idea first came to me was how agents might be protected from zombie plagues ('cause they don't all spread through bites, you know). It then expanded to more conventional diseases as well as chemical weapons and exposure to radiation.
While I never actually wrote anything up (apart from a mention of Laura going through a decontamination process after suffering an open wound in the Fallout universe), I have a few theories/suggestions. First, the aforementioned decon process. Agents that have been exposed to something nasty would be immediately shunted to Medical when they portal back to HQ. They go through a chain of showers, genetic scanners, and medical tests before being certified as clean.
Secondly, perhaps their disguises offer some measure of protection against biological unpleasantness. How? In the same way that Bleeprin erases bad memories. Don't think about it, or else it'll stop working. Not very interesting, but it gets those concerns out of the way.
Finally, as other people have mentioned, there are always artificial/non-human agents that can be sent in. Perhaps the Flowers have specific teams for ultra-hazardous continuums.
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Does this disease affect nonhumans? by
on 2015-03-31 05:05:00 UTC
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If all else fails, you could send in a purely synthetic agent, right? I'm not really familiar with this continuum, but as far as I know, diseases don't generally infect other species, and an agent with a completely different biochemistry would be nearly impossible to infect with a virus from earth. Though it sounds supernatural, this is just my two-cents on the matter. Again, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, as I said I only have a passing familiarity with Higurashi.
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Er, not really. by
on 2015-03-31 11:16:00 UTC
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If that was the case, then War Of The Worlds ends really badly for humanity and the quarians are just staying in their hazard suits because they like the aesthetic oh God I'm an idiot send in the quarians.
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Unless its Supernatural by
on 2015-03-31 23:11:00 UTC
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Then the suits may not matter.
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Bioware's guide to making fantasy race names: by
on 2015-03-31 22:22:00 UTC
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- Make funny noises. Any will do. Quem. Quil. Quin? Quar?
2. Add genaric "people" suffix, such as -ian, or -an, or even just -i.
3. Once you come up with one race, (Let's say... Qunari)change one letter and swap out the suffix for the SciFi race! (Qunari - Qunari - Quari - Quarian!)
- Make funny noises. Any will do. Quem. Quil. Quin? Quar?
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Yes. Yes, it does. by
on 2015-03-31 04:25:00 UTC
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What is the disease's transmission vector? Is it airborne? Waterborne? Transmitted via contact with contaminated body fluids? Or is it completely supernatural (people just suddenly become infected)?
In any case, a regular NBC suit and a full decontamination process when re-entering HQ is in order. The real question is: "is there actually any badfic in that particular continuum"? If not, then we stay the heck away from that scary disease. -
I don't think it's revealed by
on 2015-03-31 04:33:00 UTC
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The fact that it's purely geographical, and keeping visits super-short can avoid contamination, I'm guessing that it's either air- or waterborne.
Also... there is Higurashi fanfic. This means that, somewhat inevitably, there will be badfic. I'm just not brave enough to hunt it down, When They Cry is scary enough as it is.
And I haven't even seen the show; I've just played the first visual novel. How something can be so terrifying without visual details, I have no idea. The sounds might have had something to do with it. -
I hit the Wiki by
on 2015-03-31 05:57:00 UTC
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Seems to indicate that it is actually parasitic in nature. The lore also includes a prophylactic vaccine C-120. This, from what I read, seems to be able to prevent it from taking route. Though that would conflict with the Parasite. In other words I am not certain. But acquiring C-120 would probably be the best bet, short of the Hard Suits I mentioned in my other post.
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This is the point where I bring in a Tau agent, isn't it? by
on 2015-03-31 11:13:00 UTC
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For the uninitiated, the Tau from Warhammer 40,000 are the closest thing the setting has to good guys; a young empire focused on technological might and combined-arms warfare that's only just figuring out how completely out of their depth they are in a universe of insane gods, xenophobic humans, and giant robot skeletons with weapons that literally strip you down to your component atoms in layers.
Now, a Tau Stealth Suit operator (XV15, before you ask, wouldn't do to be too OP) is actually a very good and very balanced agent. Why? Because the Tau despise the entire concept of melee combat. XV15 stealth suits are actually pretty rubbish as far as armour goes, relying on - big surprise - their stealth systems to keep them in check. The XV15s were used as scouts by the Tau, especially when equipped with a markerlight - which meant you got even more shot by the guns which are better than bolters. Between this, the fact that they're very vulnerable to magic/psionics, and the melee-hatred, I think a Tau Shas'ui in an XV15 would be a pretty interesting agent. Though the burst cannon would probably have to be swapped out for something else on numerous occasions. Not every continuum can handle plasma gatlings. =]
But yeah, XV15s - like all Tau batlesuits - are NBC hardened because Plague Marines are a thing, and I think a suit-jockey would actually want to volunteer for a mission like this. If the entire multiverse is under threat from nightmare abominations (well, more so than usual for 40K), then it surely serves the Greater Good to aid the struggle as best they can.
Of course, this hypothetical Tau agent would have to be paired with someone like a Klingon or similar Proud Warrior Race to balance out the team and give internal conflict. I'll get back to you as far as that's concerned. =] - I don't think they realise how much the Tau suck at mele. by on 2015-04-01 11:08:00 UTC Link to this
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#NotAllTau by
on 2015-04-01 17:01:00 UTC
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The Ethereal caste does these mock honour-duel things with big stabby knives (occasionally on sticks) so fast they break the sound barrier. And they still have rubbish WS. Oh, 40K. Never change.
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#YesAllEldar by
on 2015-04-01 18:47:00 UTC
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Breaking the sound barrier? In Warhammer terms, that's practically swinging a wooden club at a tank. Well, no, that's not fair. Swinging a claymore at a tank. That's better.
You know, tomorrow, I think I'm going to try something. I think I'll call it, "better know a continuum." I'll introduce a fandom, give the basic lore, and try to answer as many questions as I can. 40K being the first one. I would do it today, but, you know. Cegorach's Day and all. -
That's what the Krogan partner would be for. (nm) by
on 2015-04-01 16:35:00 UTC
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A Krogan perhaps? by
on 2015-03-31 19:11:00 UTC
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First that might pair well with your Tau Agent. But more to the original question, Krogan (from Mass Effect) are incredibly resistant to almost anything. Off the top of my head:
1. Incredibly resistant to environmental hazards including toxins
2. Redundant biological systems, including a secondary nervous system, which should be able to mitigate the effects of the condition in question.
As a third note, they are reptilian, and while Human-Animal parasitic transmission occurs, it seems to me that it would be harder if for instance it was say, Fish-Human. Though I am only passingly familiar with immunology. -
Well, it would be hard for them to pass as human... by
on 2015-03-31 20:56:00 UTC
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And disguises aren't an option here, since they change the whole body and it's biology, not just the appearance. Though I guess they could be used to disguise agents into something that canonically resists the disease.
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SEP field? by
on 2015-03-31 21:05:00 UTC
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That might work. Disguise the Krogan, keeping the Krogan, well Krogan.
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*sigh* This is why I don't like SEP fields. by
on 2015-03-31 22:02:00 UTC
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They render disguises pointless. As long as you have a strong enough SEP field, you could drag Cthulhu into the middle of the Imperial City and people would not even notice him. Why worry about how the agents are going to stay hidden from Sues and canons, or how they can adapt biologically, if they can just send mass broadcasts of don't look at me, don't look at me, don't look at me... to everybody in a 100-yard radius!
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Trying to come up with a way to have a Krogan and still get the benefits in this context of being a Krogan.
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No, you're fine. Just me grumbling again. by
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By all means, an SEP field is a perfectly viable method of achieving that goal. I just think it's cheating, that's all. By all means, ignore me. The fields have been around before I joined, and will continue to be a thing long after I stop posting.
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Actually... by
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The SEP field only works if you don't draw attention to yourself. If someone dropped Cthulhu in the middle of a city, people would definitely notice. If a Krogan kept its head down and didn't go making a scene, I doubt anyone would care.
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Krogans aren't exactly known for subtlety by
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Though that would be kind of funny. A Krogan randomly appearing in a sleepy village, that could definitely be entertaining.
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Well, I don't know the first thing about them. by
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*Googles*
Oh, huh, so that's what they are.
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It could be a bit of a cop out by
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But with certain style agents, it may well be required.
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Best thing I can think of is something like an Alliance Hard Suit from Mass Effect or something else capable of withstanding a vacuum. That should minimize the risk.
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Or, LOTR elves, they're inmune to diseases after all. (nm by
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But it seems to be a parasite by
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A parasite is not a disease per-se, just because a species is immune to disease does not necessarily mean they are immune to parasites.
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If by "parasite," you mean the maggots... by
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That's a hallucination. The reason victims claw their throats out is because of a tactile hallucination that there are insects crawling underneath their skin.
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No by
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What I was reading on the Wiki seemed to indicate that the exact cause was unknown, but that parasite was the leading guess.
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But from that link by
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It does say manifestation of Demon Spirit, which means it would be supernatural in nature, which means it could be spread. But I cannot tell the transmission vector at all though.
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Ambiguity is death. by
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If we don't know how it's transmitted, there's no safe way to go about When They Cry missions.
There is both a supernatural element and a scientific element to everything in When They Cry. There's no telling which causes Hinamizawa Syndrome, as it seems to have both a scientific basis and a supernatural one. If it's scientific, anybody with a track record of shrugging off diseases should be fine. If it's supernatural, then the safest thing to do would be to quarantine the continuum, even if technically it isn't one. -
If it is Supernatural... by
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Then I think we may be back to Time Lord. Regeneration should take care of it. Or alternatively go supernatural back. Maybe a true vampire out of Hellsing. Or might need to go with Shinigami from Bleach. That could theoretically work. Or artificial life, such as a Droid.
So taking a supernatural base off the top of my head:
1. Homunculus from FMA, but by nature of it would have to be a reformed Sue.
2. Droid from Star Wars Continuum. Worst case scenario decontaminate the droid then wipe the memory. Or absolute worst case scenario, just scrap it.
3. Android from Star Trek. Same idea as droid.
4. Fade Spirit from Dragon Age. But this would most likely be looking at another reformed Sue.
5. Supernatural Entity, say a vampire like Alucard from Hellsing, or whatever Anderson is. Problem going this route, runs the risk of creating a Sue. Their power levels would need substantial curtailment.
6. Related to number 5, a Soul Reaper/Shinigami from Bleach's Continuum. Seeing as they are spirits that should provide some degree of protection from a supernatural disease.
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Yeah... Emergencies... by
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We've had enough of those, haven't we?
Unless it was an AU, because Hinamizawa Syndrome would spread like wildfire. It'd be really bad once it got to the DMS; that's where we keep the psychos. The disease getting into HQ would probably be the end of the Protectors of the Plot Continuum.
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Yeah, emergencies generally=BAD. But AU Emergencies? by
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That could potentially be doable, though the fact that it's AU (or, presumably, a dead-end timeline) might take out the
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I like it. by
on 2015-03-31 23:27:00 UTC
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But I would kind of want to have permission first. I want to be able to fully participate.
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A few might survive by
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Like Krogans. Granted they would have to be in a perpetual state of Blood Rage. Which would be unhealthy, they might still survive. And artificial life forms. Though they might get killed and eaten by the Blood Raging Krogans.
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And undead. Don't forget those guys. by
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Even if they did get to the formication stage (that's the scientific name for clawing out your throat, by the way), it wouldn't really hurt them much.
Hell, at least one agent would be immune because she doesn't have a physical body: Gloom/Doom. She's a ghost, so there's nothing corporeal to hurt. -
Fair point by
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A PPC with Insane Krogan, Zombies, a Ghost, and other Undead. You know that might actually play out as entertaining for a while.
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The only thing sure is that it only affects humans. (nm) by
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Except... by
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That is not necessarily true. If it is natural/biologic then it would be hard to transfer to non-humans, though not impossible. Disease crosses species all the time. If it is Supernatural, then there is no telling if it would be limited to humans or not. And I would err on the side of it could affect non-humans.
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Well, in that case, send in the Sparklepires. by
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Seems like nothing can hurt them except another vamp,
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You know, I kinda feel bad for Twilight vampire agents. by
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You know that they never, ever hear the end of it by their co workers. I imagine they get no end of death threats by people who want to see Twilight burn to the ground, and nobody ever gives them any respect.
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They could be even more overpowered... by
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Like Alucard from Hellsing. Basically an Eldritch Abomination in humanoid form. He can even spawn a massive undead army from all the souls he consumed over the centuries. He is so overpowered that he basically is erased from existence, then only takes 30 years to get back.
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Speaking of Alucard... by
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LilacLielac and Riese took out a replacement of him. The agents involved were Tanya Carter (I think that's her last name) and Mike de Bergerac (who got me intrigued and interested in Fate/Stay Night).
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That sounds insanely difficult. by
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I will have to read that to see just how Agents take down Alucard.
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Well... by
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First: it was the television version of him, not the OVA version.
Second: One of the agents is a Heroic Spirit from Fate/Stay Night, and would honestly do well in DoGA with all the burn burny burn she does. Of course, it almost killed her, but she was powerful enough to take down Replacement!TV!Alucard. -
Ah I see. by
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Yeah, TV!Alucard is not quite as tough as Manga/OVA Alucard. I may have to look to see if there is a Replacement!Manga!Alucard. Finding a way to take him down would be entertaining.
Shinigami with Bankai would have a decent shot. Or the real deal. Though two Alucards might cause the continuum to implode on itself. Or kill everything in the continuum.
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Can I link to one of my favorite spin-offs? by
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Caleb Cooper, Twilight-verse vampire. And no, he never can quite live it down. The purple eyes from drinking Sue blood was a nice touch, but I don't know if that was PitViper's idea or someone else's.
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They're not vampires, they're blood-powered diamond golems! (nm) by
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Vampires shouldn't sparkle. by
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*Twitch, twitch*
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Where's PitViperOfDoom? by
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That's the only PPC writer I know of that has a diamond golem agent: Caleb.
The fact that their other agent is ALSO undead is quite helpful. Jack the Left 4 Dead Hunter, for those not in the know. -
Drat, you beat me to it. (nm) by
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Just a reminder kids, that elves are Better Than You. (nm) by
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Oh gosh, thanks so much. (nm) by
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Call for Editing/Beta Reading by
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I have a few pieces of original fiction that have been sitting on my hard drive for a while. I plan on doing something with them, there should not be too much, but I am always looking to improve. I am thinking about creating a site to host all of my fiction, and I want the best product available.
I will be honest though, I may also look at publishing through Amazon. Just figured I would let you know what you might be getting into.
They are two short stories. The first is a High Dark Fantasy Story that features a rhyming headless horseman. The second is Military-Political Thriller featuring an Irish Mercenary working for the Russians.
There is also an in-progress/abandoned Harry Potter Fanfic, and two legal papers (EU Patent Law and 1st Amendment respectively).
Ratings advisory: The original fiction hovers around PG-13/R, language and violence mostly. The fanfiction at this point is K/T at worst. The legal papers are well, legal papers. I will say this, I really want to protect my rights in the original fiction.
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I think I'll take both original fics. by
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My associate over here (let's call her Emily) will take the fantasy one, I'll take the military one. I could give you some feedback on the Irish side of things, at least, and my associate always has her head in some fantasy novel. If you want, I could go over the fanfic too.
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Decided to withdraw the Fantasy Story. by
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I am just not really satisfied with it. It does not help that I lost most of my revisions of it. Being sent now.
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Ah, well, in any case, thanks for the other story. (nm) by
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Stoner agents? by
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Before I even consider asking permission, I need concepts. One of said concepts was a stoner agent. Is that allowed? I am assuming so, as long as they don't do heroin or something else stupid. It seems odd to allow for gruesome (and satisfying) assassination, but not stoners. Still, felt it best to ask.
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Whatever you do, make them a realistic character... by
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Not just a mouthpiece for your opinions about drugs or drug abuse.
They're more than just "a stoner". They use drugs (pot, I'm assuming) for a reason. Is it because they enjoy the high, or because they're trying to escape something? Do they want to stop? How does it affect their life? And who are they, without the drug habit? If there's not a real, three-dimensional character left over when you take away the drug habit, then you're in bad-characterization territory. -
This is the important part. by
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Forget the debate over whether or not people should take mind altering substances. People do, and that is important. If you want to write a character that takes some of these substances, think about and explore a little why. Ask yourself these questions while writing, and be careful to not write atop a soapbox, and we should all be fine.
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Speaking as someone who's been hurt by drug abuse... by
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Oh, wait, you probably thought I meant illegal drugs. I'm talking about alcohol, the one that's 100% omnipresent and accepted in society, and even still allowed to be advertised on TV. The one that people write about their characters indulging in with nary a second thought because pretty much everyone does, in fact, do it.
Actually, I'm cool with agents drinking, and I don't have a problem with agents smoking a joint every now and then. I know plenty of people who smoke pot to varying degrees. They're generally pretty okay. It's just another potentially-addictive thing people can choose to do responsibly or not, IMO.
Just, y'know, please avoid basing a character solely on stereotypes. That's a bad idea regardless of what stereotypes you're using.
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I know how to write stoners in such a way that they are not just "generic stoners" but three dimensional characters.
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Thanks. {= ) by
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... You know, the way you said I don't have to go into details makes me feel oddly compelled to do so. I'm not sure if you've discovered the most perfect method of asking for more information while pretending not to, or if you really don't want to know. {X D
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On stoner agents. by
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(By "stoner," I'm assuming you mean one who uses marijuana. I mention this because that is what will inform the remainder of this post.)
I don't have a problem with the idea in theory. We have agents who drink, we have agents who smoke tobacco, and we have agents who engage in other bad habits. Based on the research I have read and the evidence I have seen, marijuana use is hardly going to destroy the PPC.
That doesn't mean I have concerns. First off, would this agent be someone who noshes on a hash brownie after a mission to relax or a full on Tommy Chong/Seth Rogan "blaze it up 4/20" dude? If it is closer to the later, I should point out that being that stoned would probably interfere with one's duties at least a little bit.
Secondly, I should point out that "stoner agent" really isn't much of a concept. It tells me nothing about their personality unless you intend to follow the traditional stoner stereotypes (which I would advise against, due to how dull and hackneyed it could be). You can't really base a fleshed-out character solely around the fact that they use drugs. It should be a facet of who they are, not the crux. -
Personally, I'm not comfortable with that. by
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Drug use is a serious problem for both the (ab)user and the people around them. It's one thing to write about tired, manic, and bloodthirsty agents but a completely other thing to write about agents who are tired, manic, bloodthirsty, and hopped up on psychoactive substances. Most of them are addictive and cause behavioural disorders-- even the "softer" ones.
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I have to agree with SeaTurtle here. by
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I've worked with drug users and people recovering from drug use in the past, and they made it quite clear that even things considered to be softer, like marijuana, could have pretty nasty effects and were quite addictive. It's really not something that I would consider a good thing to have as part of a portrayed agent. Mentions of people who use drugs off-screen would probably be okay.
I recall one agent in the past who was always trying to get high but never succeeded, and that was due to her characterisation as something of a stoner in her original universe before she was recruited. The point is she was still doing her job without mind-altering substances coursing through her brain and making her (more of) a danger. (In case you were wondering, it was Agent Paddlebrains.) -
Just Say No, Agents! by
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I'm afraid I completely disagree. Yes, psychoactive drugs are dangerous. What they aren't is dangerous to the degree presented by the world's litany of scaremongers. And frankly, I'm not all that surprised you found recovering addicts harping on about the dangers - there's no preacher like a recent convert, after all.
I would not be one bit frelling surprised if more agents turned to something that hits a little harder than booze or a couple of Woodbines than let on. Bleeprin, as we've seen countless times before across the history of the PPC, doesn't work on everything. Every agent has their own damage - it's almost a requirement for the position - and some people are going to try and self-medicate. So I'm in full support of an agent visibly using drugs, and I urge you in turn to please, please, please leave your Puritanism at the door where it belongs.
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Out of line, Scapegrace by
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You are well within your rights to disagree. However, your tone and rhetoric are over the line. You owe SeaTurtle and Cassie an apology for the Puritanism comment and that last line, at minimum.
Keep it civil, people.
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Disagreeing with your disagreement. by
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*Inception horns*
The way I see it, it's not so much Puritanism as not wanting to see people's lives destroyed by substance abuse. It's part of the social contract: people shouldn't consume mind-altering substances because it puts a strain on everyone around them-- why should others pay the price of the selfish individual's actions?
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You're conflating use with abuse. by
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Use is not abuse.
I cannot stress this enough, and it's the trap that you and every other person falls into. Use of drugs is not the same thing as abuse of drugs. This is just flat-out wrong. It's also the fallacy at the heart of American drugs policy, which destroys countless thousands more lives than it purports to save or protect.
It is my firm belief that drugs should be treated like cigarettes - you know, those things people smoke to get a chemical fix - or alcohol - that liquid people take to get a chemical fix. They should be legal, but misuse should be cracked down on and help should be made available for those who are addicted. It should no longer be driven underground; instead, it should be open, but very tightly regulated for purity and such so that they are safe for the users. You also kick lumps out of the funding for criminal activity, but that's really just a side benefit compared to the humanitarian issue here.
And if you seriously belief that adhering to an inflexible, doctrinaire system that harms far more than it helps is part of the social contract, then I don't really know what else to say.
Sorry about calling you a Puritan, though. It wasn't justified, and was intended only to mock and denigrate your position. That's not what an argument about an issue as serious as this should descend to. -
That's kind of the crux by
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I think it can cause a lot of internal conflict within the user. I also think it can set up a good story, the agent and his partner, particularly if the partner is drug adverse. This can set a very realistic element, and something that is not that far-fetched in my opinion.
I mean look at it this way, these agents are slogging through some of the worst things on the internet. That's enough to cause the need for self-medication. As an example, look at many attorneys in real life. They see the worst humanity has to offer, and many turn to drugs, alcohol, etc.
But I will say that while I think it is doable, maybe fitting the tone of the PPC would be hard unless you resort to the traditional stereotypes. I would also contend that it needs to be carefully done. It seems like it would be very easy to turn a character like that into an author soapbox. And I do not think anyone really wants that. -
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Well put. by
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I agree with [EAI]UO's comments. (BTW, you wouldn't happen to be acquainted with a Farmer MacDonald, would you?)
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I see what you did there by
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Not completely sure it would work by
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An agent with a stoner personality might work, but them actually being a drug addict might be a touchy subject matter.
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Whoah, dude. by
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"Do you ever just think... Like... None of this is real, man?"
"Well, yeah. We fight to protect fictional characters. Well, mostly fictional, anyway. So yeah, I'd say things aren't the way they seem."
"No, man. More like... Like, the PPC is not real. Like the flowers and stuff... Like, none of them are real, man."
"Whoah... No way."
"Dude, check it. There's this funky letter here, man... Wanna roll it?"
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Anyway, as far as I know, it's fine. However, Internal Affairs may not have the same feelings. Many neurotics are either banned or heavily restricted. Still, a stoner agent trying to hide his drugs from DoIA might be interesting. Could have a Inspector Javert like relationship with a DoIA agent trying to bust the agent for his illegal drugs. Just, try to keep it to the general strength of Marijuana. There are a lot of drugs throughout the multiverse that could mess up a lot of agents real bad. There is a reason why the DoIA is strict with its rules. -
I've said this before, a while ago... by
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But I think the DIA would turn a blind eye to uppers and crack down hard on downers. Consider the practice during World War II of hopping up tank crews on cocaine and MD to keep them sharp during a battle - with access to the collected narcotic mind-sharpeners of the entire multiverse, I think the Flowers wouldn't actually mind, as long as they don't have to pay for it. Individual DIA agents, on the other hand, may feel differently about the whole thing. Just spitballing here. =]
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The way I've always looked at it is pretty simple. by
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They don't care about low grade stuff like marijuana, unless an agent is hitting the stuff so hard they can't do their job, but they're most definitely stepping in against stuff like crack, meth, slab, heroin, whatever. If you're dealing stuff that'll cook your brain inside your skull like an egg or turn you into a drooling vegetable, or has literally lethal withdrawal symptoms (see: a lot of the fictional drugs on the forbidden substances list), they're cracking down on you. Just like they'll arrest somebody for getting in a drunken fistfight where someone gets their head busted open, but not for drinking the alcohol in the first place. If you're a user, you're probably not going to be thrown in their jail just for that, unless you've done something else illegal (hurt another agent, destroyed or stole PPC equipment, threatened the Flowers, whatever), most likely they make you cool your heels in their equivalent of the drunk tank or go to Medical to get the stuff out of your system and deal with any dependencies built up.
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Well, addiction is not unheard of, among Agents... by
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...buuuuut, I think that would depend on to what is the Agent addicted to. There's stuff that's forbidden in HQ, so those are right out. For other substances... well, I'll let more experienced members of the community decide on those.
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On a sligtly different note, the banned substances list... by
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The list seems rather... Basic. The information provided about the substances is sparce, and even has some direct falsehoods. For example, it says that crack is another name for cocaine. Crack cocaine and cocaine are two very different substances. Cocaine is refined coca leaves, made into a power form and snorted. Crack is made of battery acid, drain fluid, and all other nasty things. The two are administered the same way, but are very different drugs.
I think an effort to update the list and expand on the information provided might be a good idea. I am no expert on drugs, (despite my defense for people taking them if they choose, I, myself, choose not to) so I am probably not the best guy to take on the project. However, if somebody else would take it on, I would be very thankful. -
It Would Probably Safest to Use Bleeprin. by
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Most of the Agents seem to be just a little too into it anyway.
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Yes, but Bleep isn't actually addicting. by
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The only reason agents practically worship the stuff is because they're exposed to so much badness. Take away the bad, take away the need to Bleep.
And I'd have to agree with SeaTurtle; unless this subject is handled very, very well, I'd strongly advise you not go this route. It's very easy to slip into accidentally misrepresenting/glorifying substance abuse— not to mention, it can be a serious trigger for some people. -
But what is the difference, really? by
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Most people start smoking because they need to relax. The psychedelic nature of the drug helps to make the world a little brighter for them, at the moment. It is near impossible to become physically addicted to marijuana, though a mental problem can arise. For most people, it is a recreational drug they take every once in a while to make the troubles of the world lessen for a while.
Then, we have bleeprin, a substance that targets bad memories and removes them, with an aspirin kicker to remove the physical pain too. Some of the most addictive substances are pain killers, and bleeprin is, in many ways, the ultimate pain killer. It not only sooths the physical pains of badfic, but removes the memories of what caused it to begin with! We know bleep is far from medicinal, because we mix pseudo alcohol to wash away the pain even more effectively! And what is to stop people from taking it for other mental pains? What about a bad break up? Just pop some pills, and have that that piece of dead weight you lugged arround just wash away. Or the death of a loved one? Now they are not dead. They're just... gone for a while. A long while. Long enough you'll never be able to see them again... hold on, just a few more pills.
Yet, how do we justify it? Well, it's not addictive. So it's OK. Right, sure, keep telling yourself that. So, perhaps it's not physically addictive. Does that mean it's not able to be abused? Far from it. It is a mind altering substance, somebody is addicted to it. Heck, we joke about how much agents take, trying to make the pain go away. Medical being out of bleep causes riots in the halls! I see time and time again, people joking about how much they abuse this drug. However, once it turns from bleep abuse to cannabis abuse, now it's a problem? I'm sorry, I just don't see the real difference. One is fictional, the other is real. And? People can still pick up ideas about what is or is not appropriate behavior around drugs from fictional substances. I see no real difference. -
We joke about it because it isn't right. by
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Agents are on the run from everything: Suvians, punishments from Upstairs, Squick, their own unhinged partners, and so on. So when they reach for their favourite Bleeproduct we can laugh and say: "that's no way to live!"
And it really isn't.
Furthermore, "smoking to relax" is a huge joke. My grandfather who died from cancer sure as hell wasn't smoking to relax when he was coughing his tar-filled lungs out: he was a slave to the nicotine. His addiction also killed his wife, who died of cancer caused by second-hand smoke.
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on 2015-03-31 18:28:00 UTC
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I'm confused. Are trying to say that making jokes about Bleeprin, a fictional substance, is okay, but making jokes about marijuana isn't? If so, why?
Or are you saying we shouldn't even joke about Bleeprin?
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I see it as some sort of dark humour. by
on 2015-03-31 19:28:00 UTC
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Bleeprin is essentially consumed in the same context as real-world drugs: it's a temporary escape from reality. It's completely outrageous that agents have to wipe their own minds to cope; it contributes to the hellish living conditions agents have to put up with. It's pathetic, inhumane, and just so over-the-top it becomes funny at the end.
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All that this tells me... by
on 2015-03-31 22:05:00 UTC
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Is that HQ needs a support group for Bleep addicts. Perhaps a sub-division of Medical and FicPsych that comes together to try and help agents get off their Bleep habits. And before anybody says, "how could that be funny," have you seen any AA meetings in comedy? They can be hilarious! It's all about the extreme contrast of characters coming together to try and help themselves with a serious problem that nobody else takes seriously.
Also, I disagree that these issues are no laughing matter. We, as a society, seem to find stoners, alcoholics, and serious smokers very funny. Heck, as a community, we have agreed substance abuse can be funny. You see a lot of the same humor between agents that take Bleeprin and people that drink copious amounts of alcohol to "wash away the pain." Is substance abuse serious? Yes. Are there consequences for it? Yes. Can we joke about it? Absolutely. -
Eh, I disagree with the last bit. by
on 2015-03-31 19:43:00 UTC
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I get uncomfortable when people start saying "Jokes about X subject are not allowed." Some kinds of jokes about certain subjects are guaranteed offensive, sure—sensitivity and good taste should never be left at the door—but humor in general can actually serve to be enlightening and make people think about the issues in new ways; plus, humor can make the subject more approachable to people who might otherwise be afraid to talk about it. Therefore, it seems to me that banning whole subjects from humor makes the problems worse, not better.
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My main concern... by
on 2015-04-01 03:14:00 UTC
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...is that people will portray drug use as something legitimately "fun" and "safe" when medical evidence clearly shows that is not the case. It's not funny-- it's a major health issue.
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I'd say it's jumping to a bit of a conclusion, yeah. by
on 2015-04-03 05:48:00 UTC
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Just because something can be handled badly doesn't mean we should ban writing about it in any way, shape or form entirely under the assumption it will be. If we start banning people wholesale from even mentioning a thing in writing, where does it end? Portrayal isn't the same thing as trivialisation.
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on 2015-03-31 21:19:00 UTC
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There's also the probably-not-so-minor fact that most psychowhatsit drugs - alcohol and nicotine excepted - are illegal in a lot of places. And while agents obviously do things to fictional characters which would be wildly illegal done to real people, I've not got the feeling we want them doing illegal things to each other or themselves.
And no, obviously they're not in any jurisdiction; I'm talking about what we want to see written, not what they should be 'allowed' to do.
I don't have an opinion myself, but I thought I remembered previous conversations on that theme.
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Yes. But it is also legal in many places. by
on 2015-03-31 22:14:00 UTC
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I can understand why that would cause an author to hesitate before writing a character doing something illegal, but not how we as a community should encourage or discourage behavior of Agents. There is a list of banned substances. Anything that is not on that list, theoretically, is allowed. We, as a community, should offer caution towards characterization. If part of that character is that they are a teetotaler or a druggie, either is fine. What matters is why, and thinking about why, to make a three-dimensional character.
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The list of banned substances... by
on 2015-04-01 07:48:00 UTC
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... at one point came within inches of including 'every real-life illegal drug'. Which was sort of the point I was trying to make: that at a previous time, a lot of people thought legality was an important point to consider. As I said, I don't care a whit.
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The real life legality of an action... by
on 2015-03-31 22:17:00 UTC
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Should not really have any bearing on whether a character in a piece of fiction can do something. My real cautions on it are 1)Can you actually make it fit tonally with the PPC without trivializing it and 2)Can you do it without getting the Soapbox. My opinion is if you can do both, I see no reason why not.
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I agree with World-Jumper here... by
on 2015-03-31 17:36:00 UTC
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A little Google searching got me to people who claim being addicted to Aspirin! Heck, you can get addicted to things that aren't substances, like: exercise, food, TV, even physical pain! The brain sees no difference, as long as you give it what it wants.
(Dopamine, that's what it wants)
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"Uh... er..." by
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Valon took a deep breath and started talking, surprisingly coherent. "You beat her. Even when she threw everything she had at you, you still beat her. She died, and, well... I suppose that makes YOU the girl who lived. And if it's any comfort, I know how scary powerful Sues can be. I got lucky on my second mission. You have your partner and his quick thinking to thank, not the gods and overpowers rolling the dice.
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Rina's shoulders shook harder. by
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And then she began to laugh. "I guess I am," she said. She sniffled and wiped her eyes on her jacket. "Aw Zeb, bless his heart. He really deserves another basket of Poffins."
Rina looked at her companions and gave them a watery smile. "Sorry about the meltdown," she said, wiping her eyes again with a now very damp sleeve. "Shoulda known better coming here just the day after Rose." -
The Guardsman shook his head. by
on 2015-03-31 18:27:00 UTC
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"No, don't be sorry. You gave us a scoop on the Notary's life, you learnt of a way to become human again," he pointed at the pocket which held his notebook, "and you've got a friend in us. Always keep moving forward, Dives. No regrets."
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Valon clapped his hands a few times. by
on 2015-03-31 18:37:00 UTC
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"Amen. I feel honored to have met you!" He whistled a few notes, before singing again.
"Here's to us, here's to love
All the times that we messed up
Here's to you, fill the glass
'Cause the last few days have kicked my ass!
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"No regrets," Rina echoed. by
on 2015-03-31 18:37:00 UTC
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"I... I think I can do that." She brushed a strand of hair out of her face. "Might as well start getting used to things being like this for a while. No telling how long it'll be before I can become human again, so do you mind if I come by later? I know it's a bit sudden, but there's no telling when some obscure Time Lord thing might come in handy in the field and we've already been sent on one mission already."
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"Hmmm..." by
on 2015-04-01 00:31:00 UTC
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"You know, I've been wanting to ask this. Do Time Lords get hiccups?" Valon seemed sincerely curious.
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The Guardsman arched an eyebrow. by
on 2015-04-01 03:05:00 UTC
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"Of course we do. We have diaphragms too, you know," said the Time Lord. "And what about you, human? I've heard from some people that you have this thing called 'love'. What is it and where do you find it?" he asked in the most deadpan way he could. "I've seen the movies. It's apparently the one thing that humans have that aliens don't."
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"Actually, from what I've seen..." by
on 2015-04-01 03:17:00 UTC
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"We— uh, I mean, humans tend to be portrayed as the most adaptable of species." Rina bit back a laugh at the Guardsman's remark. "Or the most tenacious. Or both; it varies occasionally, but not often."
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"Exactly." by
on 2015-04-01 03:29:00 UTC
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He gripped Rina's shoulder and leaned in to look at her face. "You humans-- yes, you too: you said this was only a temporary thing-- you have this joie de vivre that we aliens do not. We are old, inflexible, bound by arcane and outdated laws that we follow with laserlike precision, and masters of a decrepit and decaying empire. You are young, vivacious, occasionally hedonistic, and the best soldiers. Teach us, Ô great human. Teach us the meaning of life as you trek across the stars. Or something."
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Rina wasn't sure whether he was joking or not. by
on 2015-04-01 03:43:00 UTC
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At least up until the end, when she just giggled. "I don't know about all that. I mean, humans are just as capable of being inflexible and bound by outdated laws. Besides, if people believe they're supposed to act a certain way because of species, couldn't it become a self-fulfilling prophecy?"
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"Yeah, that's the problem with regeneration." by
on 2015-04-01 03:55:00 UTC
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The Guardsman laughed. He made his way back to his seat and lifted his monster piece of pizza to his mouth. "Though I have a saying: when in doubt, turn to bacon." He wolfed down his pizza in ten seconds flat. "Well, I only came up with that saying a week ago when TB was grilling stuff as part of a motor skill test. You've had bacon before, right? Food of the gods, that is. Wash it down with a pot of black coffee while you're at it. Lemme tell ya, it really gets you going in the morning." He licked his fingers and looked at his BBQ wings. His eyes drifted towards Rina's soup. "Hey, are you gonna eat that?"
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"Want a slice of my pizza?" by
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Valon offered a slice to Rina. Exactly where the rest of it had disappeared to couldn't easily be explained. "It's got everything! Bacon, ham, pepperoni, sausage, peppers, pineapple, I think there's some olive in there... I kinda regret asking for everything now, I hate olives." Obviously, this much was true: all that remained of Valon's pizza, aside from the slice he was offering Rina, was a big mound of olives on his plate.
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Rina pushed her soup over to the Guardsman... by
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and eyed the giant plate of olives. "Those look really good," she said. "May I?"
To the Guardsman, she said, "Never used to eat bacon before I came to the PPC. Vegetarian, but I found out pretty quickly you can't afford to be picky, especially when it comes to Generic Food. That was one of the only nice things about Rose Potter. She plagiarized the hell outta the books, so the food was excellent." -
"Knock yourself out." by
on 2015-04-01 14:59:00 UTC
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Valon pushed the plate of olives in Rina's direction.
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((Guess I'll go ahead and continue.)) by
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Rina pulled the olives to herself and began picking at them with long fingers. "Awesome, thanks!" She swallowed and sighed happily. "Oh, that is good stuff."
To Valon, she said, "So, talk to me. What are your fandoms?"
To the Guardsman, she asked, "So, who's this TB you mentioned?"
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"TB stands for Terabyte!" by
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"AKA, my partner who-is-a-computer-program. It's a geth from the Mass Effect continuum: a collection of intelligent processes that form one cohesive entity. It's also been beefed up with some DoSAT software upgrades and... er... technology of a spoilery nature. It usually lives in my other partner's suit computer but it can use a robotic combat platform to move around and fight. Of course being a geth..." his voice trailed off. "Let's just say that it being a machine is a big part why it thinks it can get away with stupidly dangerous maneuvers. Naya and I are practically fixing its body on a daily basis!"
The Guardsman rummaged around his pockets and pulled out a photograph. "Here you go. This what TB's combat platform looks like. Neat, eh?"
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"Okay, that looks pretty cool." by
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Rina examined the picture for another moment before catching on to what the Guardsman said. "Other partner? Desdendelle mentioned a quarian or some such. Is that him? Or her? Or it, I suppose I should add."
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"Naya is the quarian." by
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"And she'd very much object to being called an 'it'!" said the Guardsman, laughing. "Only TB goes by 'it'. Quote-- 'I am an artificial life form. Biological sex or gender has absolutely no meaning for me'." The Guardsman mowed through a basket of garlic bread before speaking again. "Like I said, TB usually lives in Naya's enviro-suit computers. She's a quarian-- a humanoid race that comes from a planet named Rannoch. Unfortunately for her race, their immune systems are extremely weak compared to other life forms. Now, there's two reasons for this. Firstly, Rannoch has no insect life. This restricts how viruses and diseases can spread so everything evolved to be symbiotic: quarians adapt around diseases instead of fighting them head-on. Secondly, they've been living in aseptic environments for hundreds of years. There was a big geth uprising on Rannoch-- the geth were used as slaves but their AI eventually gained sentience, see-- and the quarians lost the Morning War. Since they couldn't just colonize any old planet because of their weak immune systems, they travelled around the galaxy in a massive armada while living in bacteria-free suits. A minor infection could actually spell doom for them," explained the Guardsman. He took a big gulp of water and poured himself another glass.
"Fortunately, Terabyte and Naya get along very well. It lives in her suit, making minute adjustments to the atmosphere she's breathing to slowly build up her immune system. According to their numbers, Naya should be able to roam HQ without her suit in five to six years. That being said... I've never actually seen Naya's face. It's really weird to say this, but that's the truth. She wears an opaque visor over her face; you can only kinda see her eyes glow behind it. It's so weird. "
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Rina held up her hands in apology. by
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"Sorry, I'm totally unfamiliar with Mass Effect," she said. "I really ought to look into it, though, I've heard it's good."
She finished off the olives and watched sadly as the garlic bread disappeared into the Guardsman's mouth. "But wow, five or six years? That's..." She was about to say 'a long time', then realized she would probably sound naive. "Um, not bad? Ooh, it kind of reminds me of War of the Worlds! Have you ever read it? I found it a couple of years ago and loved it. It's..." She frowned. "Huh, that's... odd, I don't remember." -
The Guardsman's brow furrowed. by
on 2015-04-04 18:48:00 UTC
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"Hmm.. that title tells me something. It's the one with the tripod mechs with heat beams that are eventually defeated by bacteria, right? That's an advertisement for bacteriological warfare if I've ever seen one," said the Guardsman. "Funnily enough, the combat walkers actually sound like a Reaper and its magnetohydrodynamic gun."
The Guardsman took another gulp of water. "And you should definitely pick up Mass Effect if only to learn more about their weapon tech. They have these guns which are essentially mass accelerators and they fire bullets the size of sand particles at hypersonic velocities. I head the concept is catching on in DIA: we received a crate of fifty M-8 rifles a couple of days ago and they're selecting Special Response officers to field test them. You should pick one up too-- if you've got the money. Those things handle really well: my partner has an older model but it's unlike anything I've ever shot before. Great accuracy, hits like a truck, and the fire selector is just right for left handers." He waved at Rina with the hand in question. "But... it's still not as good as the Time Lord stuff. We've got lasers."
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"Ooh, I do like lasers." by
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Rina grinned. "Especially sharks with frickin' laser beams and automated laser monkeys. Those are fun. Shame I tend to get missions in fantasy continuua; I've never worked with anything more dangerous than a bow. Mind you, I'm pretty good with them," she added.
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"Pfft. Bows." by
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"You get absolutely no armour penetration with a primitive thing like that," said the Guardsman, "unless you're using a super-heavy pull. Go for a crossbow instead: a quarrel can easily punch though mail or plate. Alternatively, just use a good old-fashioned gunpowder weapon if canon allows it. Well, you did say 'fantasy continua'... Probably no guns then. But seriously: learn how to shoot. I don't know about you but I'd rather have my good old staser rifle in my hands rather than a bow if push comes to shove. It's literally the difference between life and death in our line of work. Hey, if you ever need a weapon recommendation, I'm your man."
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"Well, Sues tend to not wear armor." by
on 2015-04-05 12:48:00 UTC
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"And even if they did, my longbow's got a ninety pound draw to it. There's not much it can't pierce."
Rina did look thoughtful, though. "I do know how to shoot guns thanks to my dad, and I was actually pretty good at it. Might not be anymore, though. I'm a bit out of practice. And the Flowers sent us on two Doctor Who missions a few hours ago, so it might be worth looking into getting a staser... I'm assuming there are different models, right? Which would you recommend?" -
The Guardsman cracked his knuckles. by
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He was waiting for someone to ask him this question. He pulled his trusty notebook from his pocket again and opened it to a dog-eared page labelled "D.E.W". He carefully turned a few pages and stopped once he reached a page marked with a hand-drawn seal of Rassilon. The Gallifreyan solemnly turned the page and showed Rina a sketch of a staser rifle.
"Staser rifle, mark seven," said the Guardsman in a reverent tone. "The Time Lords' answer to the Dalek gunstick. Single, three-round burst, and automatic fire modes. Integrated flashlight, foregrip, and compatibility with a standard-issue Gallifreyan army helmet HUD. Near-infinite power source tucked inside-- but that's classified information. Lethal to all forms of organic matter and capable of punching though a centimetre thick Dalekanium panel. Also features a stun function if you need less-than-lethal rounds. Rugged, accurate, and powerful. Truly the pinnacle of weapons technology." The Guardsman sighed to himself. "Unfortunately, these things are rare in the PPC. As far as I know, the only way you can get your hands on one is picking one up from a Time War badfic or acquiring one from the DIA armoury-- but you need to be a patrol or SR officer to do so."
He turned the page. "Staser machine pistol, mark four. While not as powerful as the full-blown rifle-- it can't penetrate Dalekanium-- it's an effective anti-organic weapon with an automatic fire option. We call it 'the unsewing machine'. It relies on battery packs for power so make sure you have a couple of 'em on hand if things get dicey. This thing also has a stun function. Once again, very difficult to find here but much less so than the rifle. Big Murphy sells some for an insane amount of cash."
Flip. "Staser pistol, mark two. This is the one that was issued at the start of the Time War-- I think this is what Antrilovorasilendar carries. Double action only, battery pack powered, stun or lethal settings. Nothing to write home about but this thing is widely available in the PPC. If I were you, I'd get one of these." -
"Staser pistol, mark two," Rina repeated. by
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"Gotcha." She looked longingly at the picture of the staser rifle, mark seven, making a mental note to keep an eye out for one anyway. That sounded pretty sweet. It would certainly be nice to have something like that for backup. "Like I said, don't know how often I'll get to use it, but thanks a ton."
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"Ugh. Long day." by
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The Guardsman picked at a chicken wing. "Naya, Terabyte, and I were called on four times today. The first three were pushovers but the fourth one was a real piece of work. She was this ninja-Suvian that had somehow gotten herself into the Courtyard and was trying to tame Agent Alice for use as a noble steed in her one-woman overthrow of the PPC. When we get there, the Courtyard's stable is really, really quiet. TB picks up one non-equine life for hiding in there so we move in really carefully, yeah? As soon as we clear the door," the Guardsman mimed something falling on him, "she jumped on my head, tried to slit my throat on the way down but missed, and rolled out of the way. So she then she pulls out these throwing stars out of her ninja outfit and manages to hit Naya with all four of 'em but they bounce off her suit's shields. Naya pulls out her Carnifex, takes a few shots at her but she leaps high into the air and then lands on TB."
The Guardsman made a ripping motion with his hands. "Ninja-Sue freaking pulls TB's spinal cables out and then looks at us. Now, we're crapping out pants now because Ninja-Sue just ripped the strongest, most reinforced cable in TB's platform with her bare hands. So we rush her-- if she crushes Terabyte's hard drives it's game over-- and she pulls out a short sword and goes for the mêlée kill on us. She opens with a stab on me, I knock it out of the way with my rifle, and Naya goes for the Omni-tool stab but misses. And then she did this," he twisted his arm, "and grabs Nana's arm and breaks it. I can't even describe it; that move shouldn't even be possible but... Suvians, amirite? So she then turns to me and dashes over before I can even shoulder my rifle. She picks me up with one hand-- one hand mind you-- and throws me out of one of the stable's windows. I land outside and by some miracle I'm still holding my mark seven. I push myself off the ground and run to the window. I peek inside and Ninja-Sue has Naya pinned to the ground and is just going ham on her, like, bare-fisted." The Guardsman mimed raising a rifle and firing a shot. "Boom. Just like at the range."
The Guardsman reclined in his chair. "So that's one dead Sue, Alice inconvenienced but OK, TB's body out of commission again-- thank the gods its hard drives were still intact-- Naya in Medical with a broken everything, and I was defenestrated." He grinned. "Defenestrated. I always wanted to use that word! So yeah, that's my day at work. How about you?" -
Rina's mouth was open through the Guardsman's story. by
on 2015-04-06 03:44:00 UTC
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"Wow, and here I thought field agents had it rough," she said, shaking her head. "There go any future plans of joining the DIA after the DMS gets too rough. At least in the fics, you can anticipate when's a good time to attack."
She readjusted her goggles. "Anyway, not much has really happened since getting back from R-Rose Potter—" She stumbled a bit over the name. "—other than getting sent into two Doctor Who missions one right after the other. I swear, the Sues were all but identical. Both claimed to be the Doctor's daughter, both were carrying laser spanners, both swere supposedly two hundred years old, both claimed the surname Smith, both started in "The Empty Child", and both tried to suck Captain Harkness into Twu Wuv. Only difference was that one had an ice gun and the other suggested throwing Rose out the airlock. At least they went down fairly easily, but lemme tell you, the first time, my partner was more nervous than a turkey on Thanksgiving. Thought the Sue would explode on him, though to be fair, I did kind of destroy the Gryffindor sixth year girls' dorm, so... yeah." She grinned. "Pretty easy stuff considering what we got back from yesterday." -
"I hope you looted that tech," said the Guardsman. by
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"Seriously. Laser spanners are rare but useful-- and that ice gun sounds totally sweet. And what are the odds, eh? Two near-identical Suvians, two near-identical plots... All of this happening right after your debacle, hm? The Flowers aren't making this easier for you, right? You poor, unlucky sonnova gun." He drummed his fingers on the table. Surely there had to be some other way he could help this girl other than just being available for a talk. She-- and her partner by extension-- were probably in a bad place physically and emotionally right now. What could he possibly do to help? An idea came to him. He clapped his hands together and grinned.
"You know," he said, "speaking of tech... did you keep the laser spanner? If you're thinking of using it as a mêlée weapon, it's rubbish. Don't do that. What you need is a proper Gallifreyan weapon..." He leaned towards the junior Time Lady. "Agent Dives, may I interest you in a mark four pistol instead? I'm sure you'll find it very useful against the Suvians Upstairs seems to throw at you. It might take me a few days to scrounge up the cash but I have a DIA discount at Big Murphy's and some tech to trade in. Whaddya say?"
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"Knowing this place, the odds are pretty good." by
on 2015-04-07 03:33:00 UTC
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"I did manage to nab one of the laser spanners and the ice gun, but I gave them to my brother. He's in the DoSAT and loves that kind of stuff, and I was kind of hoping it would make breaking the news a bit easier."
Rina was temppted to accept the Guardsman's offer, but from what he said, it sounded like it was expensive. "Well... I don't know. I appreciate it, I really do, but I'm sure the Flowers will stop sending us into Doctor Who once they think we've learned our lesson." She didn't bother trying to hide the bitterness in her voice. "Besides, I don't know when I'd be able to learn how to use it effectively."
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"Hope you have a lot of time on your hands..." by
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"Because the list is bloody long."
Valon took a deep breath and started down the long list he'd mentally prepared.
((Go ahead and check out my user page on the Wiki for a full list.))
"... and I just recently started Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha and Gravity Falls. I've seen three episodes of each, so no spoilers please." He bared his trademark grin. "Super-sparkly girly power is really fun to look at. So much flash." -
"I've never seen either of those, sorry." by
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"But hey, at least it means I can't spoil you on accident! I mean, last time I talked to my parents, I accidentally spoiled the ending to Farscape for them. I totally forgot time flows differently there."