As in, the first games for the PS1? I'm just looking for people to geek out about it with. I get so nostalgic!
(I apologize if this is the wrong place to discuss this, still familiarizing myself with things...)
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Anyone ever play the original Spyro or Crash games? by
on 2014-01-21 01:11:00 UTC
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Spyro by
on 2014-01-23 04:42:00 UTC
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I've never actually played a Crash game, but I did play one of the PS1 Spyro games. I don't remember which one. Might have been the first one.
I didn't have a PS1 at the time, so I had a limited time to run around in the game, but I do remember enjoying the game.
The friend that lent them to me and I had a bit of a falling out and I still have a small pile of his games. I just might pop that into my PS2 again... now, if I can track down my PS1 memory cards. -
Not the originals, although we did have a PS1 by
on 2014-01-21 14:38:00 UTC
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I have played some of the other Spyro games though, I think they were for the GBC and GBA, not 100% sure though, it was more my sisters kind of game. I was more into Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh, which had one hell of a confusing game on the PS1 if I remember correctly, can't remember what is was called but it was really hard to work out the controls and everything.
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Re: Not the originals, although we did have a PS1 by
on 2014-01-21 15:40:00 UTC
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The GBA spin-offs were pretty decent; at least, Spyro Orange and Attack of the Rhynocs were. Didn't play much of Season of Ice or Season of Fire (Flame?) before tiring of them, so I can't give much of an opinion.
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You can play it after the internal battery has died by
on 2014-01-22 23:24:00 UTC
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Or at least you could from R/S/E onwards (although none of my Gen 4 games have had that problem yet).
Currently been re-playing through Heart Gold (remake of Gold) whilst I was waiting for my laptop, currently just got into the Kanto Region with my team of Feraligatr, Onix, Kadabra, Arcanine, Fearow and Dragonair. -
OHMYGODYES by
on 2014-01-21 10:08:00 UTC
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I have every Crash game ever made and I love pretty much all of them. I do find Spyro the cuter protagonist, though. Maybe it's because I had a plushie version of him in my youth that I definitely do not cuddle now when sad and/or drunk why would you even think that?
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I, too, had a plushie. A giant one. by
on 2014-01-21 15:47:00 UTC
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I think perhaps little-kid-me had a crush on him.
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Lacklustre, but not completely without merit. (nm) by
on 2014-01-22 12:42:00 UTC
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It may have been better if they'd kept Spyro's backstory. by
on 2014-01-22 13:35:00 UTC
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They were good games but, changing the story like that, they just weren't Spyro.
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I remember those. by
on 2014-01-21 09:01:00 UTC
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Out of interest, when you say the 'original games' do you mean the actual first ones that were released, or just the series in general from the Playstation era?
I started playing with Crash Bandicoot 2, although I did play a little of 1. I have vague memories of 1 being really difficult for some reason, like the save points being spaced really far apart or something...?
They were both very good series of games - I played more Crash just because I owned them, but my sister had the Spyro games so I played them a fair bit too. Another game that I remember from around the same time (I think) was Abe's Odyssey - did you ever play that? -
The first ones released. by
on 2014-01-21 15:45:00 UTC
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Some of the later games weren't bad, though. Before the reboot, I mean. The second one was the only one I didn't own, so I can't say much about it.
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Re: The first ones released. by
on 2014-01-23 21:13:00 UTC
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Well, if we're just talking the very first ones, then I didn't really play that much of the original Crash, but I'm pretty sure I finished the original Spyro. That was a very fun game, and I'm going to have go find out if it's one of the playstation classics that are available for download.
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee (as I've now discovered is the 'correct' spelling for that title) was a 2D platformer with a fair bit of puzzle-solving involved in completing the levels. You took on the role of Abe, a humanoid alien creature, that was trying to escape from the factory he worked at after overhearing that his species was going to be next delicacy for the alien overlords that ran the place. On your way out you had to try and rescue as many of your fellows as you could, and you could interact with them in a basic way to solve the puzzles to help you escape (simple stuff like following you, waiting at a certain spot, pulling a level - or as a last resort distraction to prevent the guards from spotting you). It was good fun, but very challenging.
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Interesting by
on 2014-01-21 02:46:00 UTC
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You are the second person today that I've seen, just today, who was being nostalgic for Crash Bandicoot. Well...I think the other person was being nostalgic. They were actually offering to buy it off of anyone who might have it, so I assume they wanted to play it.
Anyway, I've played many of the Crash and Spyro games. Crash is more my speed, though. I like the cartoony way he moves and spins. I also really love Cortex. He's an amazing villain. All in all, it is a wonderfully goofy game.
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This might be useful? by
on 2014-01-21 09:09:00 UTC
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I'm pretty sure that all of the Playstation era Crash Bandicoot games are available for download on the Playstation Store, so if your friend (I'm assuming that it was a friend of yours, and not just some random person in the street that was trying to buy classic games off of you) has a PS3/4 they should be able to get it.
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Have a favorite? by
on 2014-01-21 03:18:00 UTC
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Mine's Warped, the third one. Toad Village is the level that I remember the most, and the one that makes me pretty much faint from nostalgia. Yeah, the first level of the game. I'll actually sit there and play that one level for hours, just remembering my childhood.
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Don't really remember which game is which by
on 2014-01-21 03:41:00 UTC
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I think the only one I've got is Wrath of Cortex. It should be around here somewhere, but I can't find it. Maybe it is with my Gamecube games...?
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I know what you mean. by
on 2014-01-21 03:58:00 UTC
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The games do tend to blend together. I think Wraith of Cortex was the only one I didn't own. Did you play the first one? Man, that password saving/loading...
GameCube! Gawh, so much love for that thing! Perfect system, in my opinion. Ever play one of the Sonic games with the Chao Gardens? -
What, you mean the Sonic Adventure remakes? by
on 2014-01-21 04:08:00 UTC
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I thought Sonic Adventure 2: Battle was okay. It was fun, but nothing to really write home about. Sonic Adventure DX, on the other hand, was a game I really didn't like at all. So damn glitchy in the bad way, and I HATED the Big the Cat stages.
Ironically, I actually don't think that Sonic Heroes was as bad as everyone else loves to make it seem. I thought it was actually pretty all right.
But I dunno, I think the Gamecube was best for JRPGs, which I used to play a LOT of. Skies of Arcadia and Tales of Symphonia FMFW! -
I just played them for the Chao Gardens. by
on 2014-01-21 04:20:00 UTC
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I loved those little creatures. That was the only reason I continued playing the games, really. You're right about DX being super glitchy, which made it annoying to play. Adventure 2: Battle was decent. The Chao Gardens were the only thing that made the games stand out to me, though.
Sonic Heros, I found really fun. I don't know why everybody makes it out to suck. I used to go against my brothers and friends a lot.
RPGs weren't something I got into until I was a bit older, with RuneScape (which is dead now, too. Such fate for once-good games, pile-driven into complete crap by " cool new updates".) After that, it was The Elder Scrolls, with Morrowind and Oblivion (my favorite of all the games). -
I was always into RPGs at some point. by
on 2014-01-21 04:26:00 UTC
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But yeah, the Gamecube and the GBA were the systems for that. Man, they had some great RPGs for those systems...
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Speaking of GBA RPGs... by
on 2014-01-21 04:32:00 UTC
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Ever play Summon Night: Swordcraft Story?
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Never did, unfortunately. by
on 2014-01-21 04:38:00 UTC
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I did get around to some of the Department Heaven games, though. You ever play Riviera: The Promised Land?
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Nah. by
on 2014-01-21 04:42:00 UTC
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Heard of it, though. I tried to emulate it years later, but could never find a working copy.
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You tried an online emulator? by
on 2014-01-21 04:45:00 UTC
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You can find a very good version these days if you have VisualBoyAdvance on hand. Very good emulation, if I say so myself.
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I wonder how much that would be... by
on 2014-01-21 04:49:00 UTC
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What's the game about, exactly?
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Well... by
on 2014-01-22 02:33:00 UTC
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You basically play the role of Ein, who's a Grim Angel that's being sent down to destroy the world of Riviera for reasons that I don't remember. Once you get down there, though, you then end up getting swept up in events which hold the fate of Riviera there. So... yeah, basic JRPG premise and all that.
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I never owned a PS1, but I did play those games. by
on 2014-01-21 02:43:00 UTC
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Most of my friends had PS1s, so every so often I would get the chance to play Crash Bandicoot and/or Spyro. Crash Bandicoot, from what little I played of it, was pretty awesome. I wasn't so much a fan of Spyro 'cause I could never figure out where to go.
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It did get a reboot with Crash of the Titans. by
on 2014-01-21 03:42:00 UTC
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But that wasn't as good as the original PS1 games. I think they actually kinda killed it, but not as badly as they did with Spyro. (I mean, the games are good, they're just not Spyro games at all. It seems like the company just wanted a popular character so people would buy the game, as they completely changed everything except for his name.) I would absolutely love to see reboots of the old, original games! I would want them to play the same way and, actually, I feel like the graphics were part of what made the game what it was as well... I mean the old, blocky PS1 style. I get so much feels just looking at it. I wouldn't be opposed to a graphics update if they did it right, however...
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At least, somewhat of one. by
on 2014-01-21 03:45:00 UTC
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Changing the graphics and the way the game plays, I mean. The backstory too, I think.
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Spyro! by
on 2014-01-21 01:37:00 UTC
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This is the perfect place to discuss fandoms and other stuff we like. No worries there! {= )
The first three Spyro games are among the few video games I've actually played through to the end. I'm not a big gamer, but I love everything about the first one: the design, the music, the sounds, the way Spyro moves, the dragon names... everything. I don't like the second and third games quite as well, but they're okay. They're a little less magical and quirky, a little more wacky/goofy. Or something like that. I dunno; I just wasn't enchanted by the side characters and critters in the various worlds.
On a tangential note, another game I've played through is The Journeyman Project 3: Legacy of Time for PC. Heard of it?
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on 2014-01-21 02:32:00 UTC
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I've never heard of that game. What's it about? I'm always looking for new things to play, maybe I'll check it out!
The second Spyro, Ripto's Rage, is my favorite of the three. Probably at first because it was the only one out of my Collectors' Edition pack that didn't lock up, and later on because of the nostalgia. It's the first game I finished to the end (though, I'll admit, not 100% completed until recently) by myself, and one of the first games I fell in love with. Everything about it was just so... magical! The little dragon himself was adorable and pretty rad, the music was great, the gameplay was addictive and fun... I haven't seen too many recent games like it, and that makes me sad for future generations of gamers. And there was no DLC crap! You could just buy it and play it!
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Re: Spyro! by
on 2014-01-21 15:52:00 UTC
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Ripto's Rage is definitely better than Year of the Dragon, which I am hard-pressed to even remember. I think there was skateboarding in it, and that crossed my threshold for tolerating stupid mini-games. I wasn't playing Spyro because I was into skateboarding, I was playing Spyro because I wanted to run around as a cocky little purple dragon, fly, set stuff on fire, and trash things with my horns. Skateboards do not enter into this equation. Also, way too heavy on side-characters I didn't care about. See above note about wanting to play as a dragon, not a monkey or a bird or whatever else was in there.
Most of the mini-games in Ripto's Rage are pretty good, though. The flying ones are always great, and I was okay with most of the rest. The endgame always disappointed me, though. I thought the fight with Ripto was uninteresting, challenging only because it was a long grind and I sucked at dodging with the weird camera angle they used there, not because anything creative was happening, and I never felt a good sense of closure by defeating him. It always surprised me that it was really over, just like that. Plus, again, I never cared much about the side-characters. I wanted a lot more dragons from my dragon games, or at least more fantastical creatures like fauns, less random anthropomorphized animals like cheetahs with running shoes.
As for the rest of the series, I never played anything beyond Year of the Dragon because I couldn't afford new systems. Therefore, I don't know very much about the newer games. I guess there's a girl dragon, and she's named Cynder, or something like that? *shrug*
As for Legacy of Time, it's kind of similar to the Myst series in that it's a puzzle game where you run around picking up clues and items to work your way through each stage. In this case, you're a time-traveler who's trying to collect the pieces of an alien artifact that ended up stashed in various places and times on Earth, specifically Atlantis, El Dorado, and Shangri La before they were lost. You explore the areas, pick up various items that you'll need to use to solve the puzzles, and eventually you get the artifact piece from each area. You're assisted by Arthur, the AI in your chameleon suit (which lets you look like a native, wherever you are). Arthur is hilariously snarky, and one of the major reasons I liked the game so much. Also because it looks good and sounds good, and the puzzles are challenging without being impossible. The tunnels under Shangri La were definitely the toughest for me. I spent many, many hours running around mapping that place.
Oddly, I never played any of the other games in the series. I don't know why. Definitely check out that one at least, though. It's a little confusing, not having all the backstory, but once you're into the game it doesn't interfere too much.
~Neshomeh
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I found something NSFB (I think) by
on 2014-01-21 03:58:00 UTC
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If this ruins your appetites, my deepest apologies.
Short summary: "Davis" and "Veemon" brainwash the ladies of the show using a disturbing variant of the Pied Piper legend to to create their "love slave harem".
Link: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8013560/1/The-Digimon-Piper
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Could I get some eyeballs on this crossover? by
on 2014-01-23 01:29:00 UTC
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Somebody submitted "The Stargate of Alagaesia" to me via my website, and I'm not entirely sure what to make of it. It appears to be a megacrossover, and I'm not too strong on any of the fandoms mentioned so far (Stargate Atlantis, Inheritance Cycle, Star Trek: Voyager, H2O: Just Add Water, and Maximum Ride). At a glance, I don't see any glaring mechanical errors or other badfic early-warning signs, but maybe there's more going on than meets the eye?
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Well, that's my next claim sorted out. by
on 2014-01-21 10:11:00 UTC
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About the only time Agent Wobbles gets really angry is when people twist children's media into something like, well, this. The Notary just hates humans as degenerate scumlords anyway, so she's not about to dissuade her harlequin roomie from the path of ultraviolence. =]
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What. by
on 2014-01-21 04:04:00 UTC
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I think I just died a little bit... I can see why you had the NSFB warning. My curiosity is going to be the cause of my demise...
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Our curiosity may be the death of us. (nm) by
on 2014-01-21 04:18:00 UTC
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more questions, mostly about Pokemon stuff by
on 2014-01-21 18:47:00 UTC
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its about the in-game story and my agents, see I would like them to have gone though the Kalos story line (for the other regions I'm having them be ether background characters or tag-a longs to the game canons, as the canons to the story based stuff) but I worried that would technically make THEM canons.
So my main question is, would it be possible to have a Pokemon continuum agent and have them go though the in-game story.
I await the answers, oh, to answer one possible question myself I'm asking this question because I really couldn't find an answer on the wiki, pulse I couldn't find any other agents that have a Pokemon trainer background for reference (if there is one then I'll be honest and say I didn't look hard enough :P) I hope this all makes sense. -
Adding some of my own Questions. by
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I hope that's okay!
1. What would happen if an agent tried to read the words inside of HQ?
2. I don't swear very often, but I have still picked up the habit of using leaf and frond when I do. Is that something I should worry about or simply a healthy dose of insanity?
3. Could it be that the position as head of finance has similar effects on one's wellbeing as the position of defense against the dark arts-teacher at Hogwarts?
4. Is it possible to sign up at an OFU on a free-will basis? As stated in my introduction post I have a history as a badfic author and want to better myself.
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on 2014-01-22 09:12:00 UTC
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1/ That really would depend on the agent. I suspect most of the time, since they're not in a badfic, they wouldn't see anything. Other agents, though, might see the Words of whatever canon they happen to be passing through - recall that HQ is basically a mass of plotholes linked together by little stretches of canon worlds. So one step you'd be under the Misty Mountains, the next, in an abandoned building on Coruscant.
Finally, there's those agents who are aware that they're fictional characters (my own Lou is one; I think DawnFire has one of these, too). They might well be able to read the words of the PPC story they're in.
2/ Well, I tend towards 'stars and water' myself... despite what some may say, people are allowed to say anything they want when they get frustrated. ;) The fact that you swear like a Flower is nothing to worry about (though it does make you quite, quite mad).
3/ A word from the Rhododendron, secretary to the Board:
Just because there have been a few... er... highly-publicised incidents involving the incumbent Heads of Finance, there is no reason to indulge in such wild speculations. For the record, the Evermind held the position in perfect safety from the department's inaugration until the regrettable events of 1998 HST. Admittedly the Bindweed lasted only a short time, due to her support for the Mysterious Somebody, but the Clover was entirely secure in his post for more than a decade. The current Head wishes to- what? I'm sorry, I'm going to have to go.
4/ It is possible for a character - either your self-insert, or a PPC agent - to sign up voluntarily. OFUDisc had multiple volunteer attendees. Regrettably, there are no actual OFUs, so you can't actually attend GrammarBootCamp (at least, not until we organise one during a Gathering, but how likely is that?)
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Wait? by
on 2014-01-23 03:20:00 UTC
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There aren't any more OFUs? Because I am working on and have published part of OFWho (I really should be working a little more on that)
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I said 'actual', not 'any more'. by
on 2014-01-23 07:52:00 UTC
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You are writing a (fictional) story about OFWho. You are - I hope - not running an actual organisation which tortures people in the name of teaching them to write better. So someone can have a character of theirs experience GBC; they cannot actually go through it themselves. See?
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Oops, I feel a bit silly now. Sorry about that. (nm) by
on 2014-01-23 22:44:00 UTC
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Thank you so much! by
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Regarding question three:
Right, I forgot to put the events into perspective. I'm marathoning the PPC history right now and forgot to add the years in between events on my mental timeline... -
Thank you for all the answers! (nm) by
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I'm no authority, but I'll have a go. by
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1) I'm pretty sure reading the Words only works in a mission, when you're in the Word World constructed by the fic. I seem to recall something somewhere saying trying to read the Words in HQ just straight-up won't work, but I could be completely wrong.
2) Those are rather odd things to use as curse words, but I think you should be okay.
3) Eeeeh, not really. The Clover was Finance head for a long time before Peter happened, without too many ill effects. It does seem to have a way of drawing unstable agents though - be they people who don't feel they're paid well enough, or ones with more sinister designs like what happened to the Evermind.
(Of course, the simple answer is that since the Head of Finance has usually been written by hS, when a Flower needs to be killed off they're one of the easier ones to do. :P I think someone was writing up a story for the new Head, but I think they dropped the project...)
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Asking questions is perfectly fine.
1) That probably depends on the agent. In general, I would say...whatever is funniest.
2) Nothing to worry about...unless it is. Probably nothing.
Or is it?!
3) Seems to be the case. I know I wouldn't take that job.
4) OFUs are not really our jurisdiction. However, I might be able to help with this question. So, are you asking if you, the actual person who is sitting at a computer right now, can join an OFU to help better yourself and your writing? Or, are you asking if a fictional version of you can be enrolled in an OFU?
The answer to the first is a no. The answer to the second is a maybe. It depends on the OFU.
Hope that helps.
-Phobos
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on 2014-01-21 21:31:00 UTC
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It's okay :)
1. I'm not sure but at best you would get a mild headache at worst the world blows up (that being the worst thing to happen to anyone)
2. I don't think you should worry sometimes people need ways of expressing their anger, especially if they don't like to swear :)
3. I don't know that much about finances so I don't feel like I'm qualified to make the comparison to a job that has a teacher teach students about dangerous and illegal to use spells
4. I also don't know that much about OFUs so again I can't help, but I'm sure someone else can :)
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ether way I don't think you're weird and that you shouldn't worry, so be happy now :D
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I'm wondering... by
on 2014-01-21 20:15:00 UTC
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If you really want to write a story about a Pokémon trainer, why don't you just, well, write a story about a Pokémon trainer? If you leave the PPC out of it, you can just do it without having to worry about getting Permission and making it work with our canon. Also, if you still want to use your trainer as an agent later, you'll have that character and their backstory fully developed already, plus a complete writing sample about them to show the PGs. It seems to me that trying to force PPC mission and Pokémon fanfic to cohabit one story/series is making things a lot more complicated than they need to be.
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I see were you're coming from (I hope) by
on 2014-01-21 20:58:00 UTC
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But I not trying to force a PPC mission into a Pokemon fanfic (or at least not intentionally trying) I'm just figuring out how I should go about making their backstory work once their in the PPC. Like in the in-game story line of Kalos you HAVE to capture the two main legendary Pokemon (Xerneas and Yvelta) and I'm just curios if I can keep them once they join and if I can't then work around this by not not including the main story line in their backstory.
If I'm just being to paranoid about this backstory thing and should just not care that much about the Pokemon training part IN their backstory then please tell now so I can just stop with all these questions and work on their backstory the right way (because to be honest, I'm feeling like a real idiot and an annoyance with all these questions :(.)
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Think about it this way: by
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Legendaries are one-of-a-kind. If a trainer appeared in HQ one day carrying the Dialga, wouldn't that be a bit like removing an important canon character from its 'verse?
As a fellow Pokémon player, I know that you understand the implications of being a Legendary's trainer: you are carrying a pocket nuke. There's a difference between having a Glaceon and, say, Yveltal going to town on some unfortunate Suvians.
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and that is why I asked :) by
on 2014-01-21 22:27:00 UTC
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so no-go on any in-game story lines in their backstory just stick with a normal pokemon training backgroud. No rivals, evil organizations, or legendaries will be seen or interacted with.
thanks for your help :)
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How many people here have a Tumblr? Just curious. (nm) by
on 2014-01-22 04:08:00 UTC
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Me and my sis. candy7786 both have one :) (nm) by
on 2014-01-23 22:30:00 UTC
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I'm hmeras (nm) (nm) by
on 2014-01-23 18:59:00 UTC
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Hai. by
on 2014-01-23 01:02:00 UTC
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I do have a Tumblr, though right now I'm still working on it and working on...works.
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Hiya. by
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I'll occasionally post PPC-related things there (which includes an RP Lily and I did a while ago), but for the most part it's fandoms+important things+the occasional mildly personal things. Oh, and a ton of planning for SBEI (Avengers OFU), which mainly goes, 'DAWN, CAN WE DO THE THING' 'YES, KAREN, LET'S DO THE THING AAAAH' (seriously, I have an SBEI tag, and I'm fairly sure that's most of what's in there.) Come say hi if you like, I'm dawnfire360.
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Raises Hand by
on 2014-01-22 14:22:00 UTC
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I'm quill-of-thoth. My blog is about 25% science, 25% fandom, 50% everything else. :D
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I actually post my missions there. by
on 2014-01-22 12:18:00 UTC
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I'm evil-bones-mccoy on there, and live-long-and-bite-me is my Spock rp blog.
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I do. by
on 2014-01-22 06:01:00 UTC
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I hardly ever use it though, and when I do it's mostly to cyberstalk my LO.
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I do, but have no idea how to work it. (nm) by
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Rina the Newbie by
on 2014-01-22 19:22:00 UTC
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Hello!
So... *nervous wave* Um, hi. I've introduced myself in a different thread, but I've been told to make a seperate one.
I'm Rina, and I make up half of the RinaAndRanda team that will hopefully one day take on missions! My friend Randa and I are planning on tackling badfic together, but I'll do most of the writing (and Randa will check it over to make sure I get her agent in-character).
I stumbled across the Original Series about two weeks ago, and when I found out the PPC was still alive and going strong, of course I wanted to join- but I didn't think I'd be able to handle the job by myself. So I introduced Randa to the Original Series and asked her to team up. She said yes, obviously.
We're both really into Harry Potter (and consequently, we'll probably deal with badfics from there. We should be fine- after Sporking My Immortal a few years back, there shouldn't be much that can shock us. *knock on wood*). Other fandoms for both of us are Percy Jackson, My Little Pony, Pokemon, and Lord of the Rings (though I'm the only one who's read the books, Randa's heard me talk about them often enough that she should be able to tell what's strictly bookverse and movieverse).
Everyone I've talked to so far seems really nice. *cuddles newly acquired potato cannon* Hopefully, one day, I'll be also welcoming people to the Board. :)
Randa's probably going to be a while in posting her own entry, since her internet connection is... sporadic. We see each other every day at school, so the communication issue is really just online.
Anyway, so far, I've had a great time talking with other people. Um... I guess that's really all there is to say.
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Hey! by
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Hey Rina! (And Randa, if you're reading)
Welcome to the Board!
Since you've already got a Potato Cannon (lucky) I'll give you wilver-color potatoes! Best in the kind, just don't look at them. -
Just so long as they're not Urple... by
on 2014-01-23 21:55:00 UTC
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Thanks, Green Armada! These'll definitely be my first choice when/if I ever send any agents into the field. :)
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Wow! Thanks, everyone! by
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@Antigone: Fudge? Fudge! *noms* Wait... Did you say one was for Randa? *guilty* Haha, don't worry, I'll give hers to her today! ;)
@Kittythekatty: Mom actually confiscated the potato cannon last night after I accidentally broke a window. Oops. Other than that, it's awesome! And oh gods, YES, Hous of Hades was AWESOME! I'm assuming you've read it, too?
@Sevenswans: Bleepka? Man, I wish I had some of this while slogging through My Immortal and Imma wiserd. *shudders* This'll be a big help; Randa would say thanks if she were here. I'll say it for both of us. :D -
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Hi, have some fudge! Two plates, so you can hand one to Randa next time you see her.
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I see you are enjoying the potato cannon.
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Hi newbie! by
on 2014-01-22 22:23:00 UTC
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Here, have toast! A suspicious-looking sponge! A bottle of bleepka, and a purple paracord! You will need all these things and more to tackle badfic in the Harry Potter universe... and the Percy Jackson fics. I've dipped my toe into those waters before...
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Hey, howdy, hey! by
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Oh, look, another pony fan! Yay! You guys are in luck, as my first mission with Marvin and Printworthy in the All Purpose: MLP Division should be coming very soon. As soon as sonofheaven and Herr Wozzeck are finished beta-reading and some minor editing, it will finally, finally be uploaded! Finally, after almost a year, it's-
...Um. Sorry, enough about me. This is about you! Two... Eh, whatever, it works.
So, now I should give you two gifts. As a fellow (and rather hardcore) brony, I shall give you an MLP related gift. Or, uh, gifts. Huh...
I have a huge amount of enchanted crystal pony statues (completely unrelated to the crystal ponies) that radiate particular emotions based off of the character you chose. Just name the pony you two want, and I'll describe the enchantment on it. Yes, you can each have one, don't worry. -
Re: Hey, howdy, hey! by
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@Spotted Pheasant: But... But... Isn't that a lie? Oh, well. *accepts it anyway* And hoverboards? So cool! Here, uh... *looks around* You can have this random mostly-finished Iron Man helmet my mom made. It's too big for her, so I don't think she'll mind if it goes missing.
@World-Jumper: Nah, it's fine! I don't mind hearing people talk about themselves! *cough takes attention off of me cough* Is Printworthy what your pony name would be? (I know he's one of your agents. I mean in any other cases.) I would be a yellow Pegasus pony with a green mane/tail with three pencils for my cutie mark. My name'd be Lemongrass. /) Um... You wouldn't have read Cupcakes, by any chance? If you haven't, stay away from it. *suddenly gets distracted* Ooh, crystal statues! I'll take Rainbow Dash! -
Printworthy, my pony name? by
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PFFFT, Celestia no. I love to write, truly, I do, but I'm not that good at it. Printworthy is a writer first and foremost, and I am not. Is he my writers persona? Yes, he is, in a way. However, he is not me. My name would be... Hmm... I don't know actually. It has to relate to who I am, and somewhat connected to my special talent. I'll get back to you on that.
Ah, Rainbow Dash. Good choice. This statue, when you hold it, gives you a sense of pride, and a fire in your heart. You want to be the best you can be, and help your friends in their times of need. It also makes you a little faster, but that's unimportant. -
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Sweet. *hugs* Rainbow Dash is Best Pony.
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Twilight Sparkle is clearly the best pony. Her intelligence and dedication to her friends makes her a role model, while her social awkwardness and OCD make her a relatable and funny character. She is, truly, best pony.
Best Princess, on the other hoof, is Celestia. What is that? Twilight is a Princess now? Well, tell that to the writers, because it looks like they forgot too. Not that I'm complaining. -
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Well, you know, everyone's entitled to their own opinion. My brother likes Pinkie Pie best just because she's so random.
I'm not sure if the writers intentionally didn't give Twilight any princess duties and princess is more an honorary title, but... Hmm. I'm kind of glad, because the series hasn't changed much, but I'm also more than a little disappointed because it would have been interesting to see how they would handle Twilight's new royal duties. It would have been a good message to kids, too: being a princess isn't all about pretty dresses and getting everything you want.
Bah.
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It's always nice to see new faces! Here, have two hoverboards, and a Portal-themed cake!
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Permission to draw, captain! by
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So, I'm wanting to draw some cartoony-lookin' agents messing around and/or doing their jobs. Gives me something to do on break at work; anybody wanna let me draw theirs?
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If you've got the time and inclination, however, you're welcome to use any of my agents as models. They consist of:
-- Danny Richardson, DoP
-- Laura Dukes and James Pittman, DMS
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Oh! Me! Me! Pick me! by
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Okay, um... I dunno. I think I'll go ahead and ask for a scene of my DIC agents. I'm thinkin' of something slightly on the sappier side, maybe.
Hm... Eusabius and Zerenze, sitting on the couch, cuddling, perhaps? Oh, and with Florestan just casually playing a video game right next to them and Wave Crest glancing between Florestan and Eusabius.
So for references, have the following:
Eusabius: http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Eusabius (Note that he's also a shorter, stockier guy.)
Zerenze: I actually don't have any other art, but... well, you can read this post with a bunch of references: http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=199610;article=250616;title=PPC%20Posting%20Board He's only wearing a shirt and pants.
Florestan: http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Florestan (Note that he's tall and built like a stick.)
Wave Crest: http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Wave_Crest (And, camera angle permitting, would you please add a cutie mark in the shape of a breaking wave, pretty please?)
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Are you only looking to draw PPC Agents, or will any character do? Because I have a character in a fanfic of mine, and I would like to see if the new wardrobe I'm planning will actually work.
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Pleasepleasepleasepleasepleeeeeeeease? =oD (nm) by
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Mine are always up for arts. by
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Agent!Sergio Turbo, Nikki CHerryflower and Corolla.
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Go for it by
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Unfortunately with the loss of my old laptop and thereby pretty much all my word files etc. I only have the Agent Profiles from my Permission Request, linked here:
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Always! by
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I'm a glutton for fanart. ^^; I also have a large number of characters to choose from:
- Nume and Ilraen (DIC)
- Derik and <a href="http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/GallBonecrusher">Gall (DMS)
- Jenni Robinson (FicPsych) and her son Henry
- Various FicPsych nurses
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Feel free to draw my two - the Fisherman and Evie. I'll leave it up to you what the scene is, I'm sure it'll be great!
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Finished yours. by
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Don't expect anything super good, they're just little derps drawn during break, my sketches. Hope you like them, though!
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They're great! by
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I don't know about derps, I think they're brilliant - I think you've captured their characters really well.
I love the Fisherman's 'what is even going on here' look, which is how he normally ends up during a mission! -
Oh, yes please! by
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Since my first mission is coming soon, how about a picture of Marvin and Printworthy? I don't care what they do, just them interacting is fine.
I'll link you to their wiki pages. Just one moment... Ah, here we are:
http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Marvin_Jones
http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Printworthy
Again, they can do whatever. If you want to do something pertaining to the upcoming mission, just let me know and I'll give you a scene for inspiration. If not, whatever, I'll be happy. -
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Love your characters, by the way! I, I tried to draw weight, hopefully it's at least an acceptable level.
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I love it! Printworthy's face there is great. Staring at the canon break in bewilderment, unsure of what exactly is going on. Perhaps this is his reaction to the kingdom of Griffala, or the Griffon hybrids.
Teasing, what teasing? I'm not teasing at all. I'm just trying to provide a little hype for my first mission, and a little heat behind my beta readers. I mean, they should not feel rushed, editing takes time, but... I'm getting anxious, that's all. I just... I want it done, man.
Anyway, thanks for the image! I will save it to my computer and look at it while trying to write the next mission. -
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Received! by
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Thank you so much for the help, you are a fantastic editor!
In just a few minutes, I'll post the mission. I need to set some things up, but once that's all wrapped up with, I should be set! -
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Being one of those betas by
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I'm sorry that it has taken this long. For my part, I should have it in your hands tonight (it is 10:45 PM on Thursday as I post this) or early tomorrow.
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Workshop/Rant/Thing Two: Speech by
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That's right, folks! Sit up straight and get out your notebooks, 'cause it's time for the second of my possibly many workshop/rant/advice/things. Today's subject will be speech and speaking -- specifically, speeches and speaking done by your characters. I'll go over how to make it, how to intertwine it with your characterization, and how to avoid abusing it. Just as last time, I will begin with my own personal recommendations and conclude with an open writing challenge.
Definitions
I'll be using the words "speech" and "voice" quite a few times over the course of this post. These are both being used to describe a character's manner of verbal communication. "Dialogue" refers to shared communication between two or more characters, just as "monologue" refers to a person speaking by his or herself.
Speech and Characterization
You might recall from my first entry on characterization that I very briefly mentioned finding some aspect of your character's voice that was distinctive. A good character has something about their manner of speaking or word choice or what have you that sets them apart from anyone they might be speaking to.
But the connection between voice and character goes further than that. Who an individual is can inform how they speak to others. A character who goes to college to study sociology will likely not sound the same as the high school-educated barista who serves him coffee at the campus Starbucks.
How you want someone to sound when they speak is something you should consider while making the character, at least for a little bit. If you make a super-strict rule-stickler and then make them speak like someone fresh off the Californian waves, your audience might be a bit baffled. (Not to say such a character wouldn't be interesting; you'd just need to throw out a lot of explanation for why they're like that).
Dialects and Foreign Languages
Related to characterization in speech is the concept of dialects (regional and social elements in a character's voice). Using dialects in one's writing can be very much a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it's a convenient way to indicate elements of someone's background without having to spell it out. Someone talks about going up to Haavahd to see their brothah, you might be able to work out that they're from an upper-class Boston family (or doing a terrible JFK impression; sorry to anyone from Boston).
The risk is taking it too far, to the point of unreadability. It's okay to throw a few phonetically-spelled elements of dialect into someone's speech, but not for every word. You don't want to confuse the audience... unless of course that's your intention and you're making a joke out of someone having an ultra-thick Bayou or West Country accent (like in Hot Fuzz).
On a similar note are elements of foreign languages. Used sparingly, they add a bit of color to characters (see Firefly). Used too much or without context (when and with who is this character using a foreign language?) and your audience is once again left in the dark. You should ideally know at least a bit of the language you're using, too. Having someone who speaks the language help you is also acceptable. Looking up common phrases can be a bit hit or miss. Online translation services should be avoided, unless you're okay with people who know the language asking you why you inserted such a butchered phrase.
We Don't Need No Stinkin' Rules
Speech doesn't necessarily have to follow the same grammatical rules as most other written text. The vast majority of people in the world don't speak according to the proper rules of whatever language they follow. They speak in run-ons or fragments. They begin sentences with "and" or "but." They use words or phrases like "ain't" or "the big stabby thingy." The rules someone does or doesn't follow when they speak can tell the audience a great deal about who they are.
Actually, We DO Need Some Rules
Just because your characters can ignore the rules of proper grammar doesn't mean that the author (that is to say, you) can. There are some things you can't ignore:
• When you follow up speech with a descriptor (he said, she said, etc.), the speech must end with a comma and not a period. Ex.: "...and that's how I got that particular scar," he remarked.
• One cannot "smile" or "frown" spoken words. One can "say with a smile" or "comment with a frown." Ex.: "I'm good," she smiled. VERSUS "I'm good," she replied with a smile.
• Different people speaking get their own paragraphs. No exceptions.
The Challenge!
Write a short story -- just a few paragraphs, really -- that is mostly someone speaking. Let's say at least seventy to eighty percent speech. It can be a dialogue or a monologue. I leave that up to you.
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Have multiple ideas. Is writing more than one okay? (nm) by
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I don't have a problem with it. by
on 2014-01-27 23:01:00 UTC
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You might want to hold off on posting them (or the links to them) until I copy the body of the workshop over to my PPC Wiki blog. I fear this thread will not be much longer for the front page.
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Would I link/post in a comment on the blog? by
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Or would you save entries when moving it over, or something.
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The first actually isn't one of mine, but comes from a published book. However, I read it just after reading the Workshop post, and it seemed to be a little masterclass in how to give characters distinctive voices, so I figured it was worth sharing.
This extract come from Starfighters of Adumar, book 9 in the 'X-wing series', written by Aaron Allston.
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Wedge said, “This is Red Leader. Understood. We launch at arrival plus five seconds. Red Flight, are you good to go?”
“Red Two, ready.” That was Tycho, as economical of words as he was of motion.
“Red Three, four lit and ready to burn.” Janson’s inimitable voice and enthusiasm were evident even across the standard X-wing comm distortion.
“Red Four, nothing’s gone wrong yet.” There was almost a hopeful note to Hobbie’s dour tone.
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It's not perfect - sometimes Tycho simply has a lot to say, and Janson tends to get more serious and brief when they're in combat, but you can usually take a good guess at who is speaking, without having to rely on their names/callsigns. And you can pretty much always tell whenever Hobbie is speaking.
The next one is just a random piece of mine. I've had the Captain's first words in my head for quite some time now, as an intro / establishing character moment, and just built the scene around that. I don't have a story for this character yet, but when I do, some variation of this scene will probably play out pretty early on.
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The corporate headquarters of Zanex rarely hosted such unrefined guests, but when the need arose one of the smaller and less well furnished meeting rooms was used.
Five corporate employees, their suits perfectly tailored and spotlessly clean, sat opposite the two men in rough spacers’ clothes. Five was far more than would be needed for the negotiation, in fact, the senior policy maker had the authority to handle the matter himself. But he could hardly be expected to talk with people of such low status. The suited men to his immediate left and right were mid-level executives; it was they that would take care of the actual communication. The final two were junior executives, present merely to observe the proceedings.
At a gesture from the policymaker, the man on his right began speaking. “Welcome, Captain Ivaken, Master Jacus, to our prosperous business. It is our hope that together, we can work…”
Jacus wished that he could share a look with his captain, to see if he had started to tune out the man’s obsequious speech, but to do so risked insulting their prospective client. Instead, he waited patiently, nodding occasionally at the man’s words to give the impression of attentiveness.
The voice faded into the background, droning on for long enough that Jacus’ thoughts drifted further than he’d intended. With a start, he suddenly realised that the room was silent, and that expectant faces were watching him from across the table. Either the Captain wanted him to take the lead, or he’d been bored enough to lose concentration altogether.
Jacus stepped forward, till he was level with the Captain in his seat. “Thank you for the welcome, and for the opportunity of doing business with you.”
The central suit whispered something into the ear of the speaker, and Jacus inwardly braced himself for the next monologue.
“Forgive me for asking but, while we have dealt with Drenai before, and you come highly recommended by him, your ship and crew are an unknown quantity for us. How do we know that we can trust you?”
Sweet merciful gods, he’s actually being brief. “A perfectly reasonable concern. Please allow us to offer you some reassurances-”
The sound of snapping fingers, reverberating in the small room thanks to its lack of soft furnishings, cut him off exactly where he expected it to. He stepped back, resuming his place just behind and to the right of his Captain.
“My loyalty is a commodity like any other – it’s available to the highest bidder. If you’re not the highest bidder in these parts, then you probably don’t want to be doing business with me. And I certainly don’t want to be doing business with you.”
“You mean that you’d break our agreement if someone offered you more money?”
“Of course not.” The tone of the words carried an unspoken ‘don’t be an idiot’. “If one of your rivals were to try and buy me out while I was carrying your cargo, I would immediately contact you, so that you’d have the opportunity to put in a counteroffer.”
“And how do we know that you won’t say you have received such an offer from one of our rivals, even if no such offer were actually made, in order to drive your price up?”
“You get what you pay for, and I’m very good at what I do. My price structure reflects that. I think you’ll find that they’re high enough already.”
This time there was a whole whispered discussion, rather than just simple instructions being passed down.
“And what would your price be for this job?”
“Five hundred thousand.”
“What!? We could buy our own ship for that!” The executive’s calm demeanour had been shattered, and his face flushed with embarrassment. The harsh whispers directed at him carried a hint of reprimand.
“Yeah, you could buy a ship. But not my ship. And Zanex can count several ships on its roster, all of which cost more, and none of which are suitable. If they were, you wouldn’t have asked us here.”
There was silence for a while, as the suits digested the fact that their guests were not the simple-minded space-juicers they’d expected them to be.
The quiet was finally broken by the second executive. “The price that you have quoted still seems high for a simple transit of cargo, even for transport through potentially hostile territory. Perhaps we could see a cost breakdown? How did you come up with that figure?”
“You think the galactic banks issue insurance to people in my line of work? If my ship gets damaged doing your job, I gotta pay for that outta my own pocket, twice. Once for the repair costs, and once for the time it wastes where I can’t work. My fee includes shipping and handling, fuel costs, the bribes I’ll have to pay, plus a risk factor to cover any damages.”
“It sounds as if at least some of your fee is based on variables that you can’t properly determine at this time. What if we were to negotiate a lower initial fee, but with higher charges for any actual damage sustained in your endeavours on our behalf?”
His words were met with silence from both parties, and the young executive began to wonder if he’d made a mistake. Maybe the smuggler was insulted by the talk of a lower price, maybe his own superior was offended that he’d offered a deal with consulting with him…
“Finally there’s a businessman among you!” Ivaken pointed a finger at the suddenly relived exec. “You, I can make a deal with.” His finger shifted to point at the former speaker. “Get him outta here.”
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My final piece features a couple of PPC Agents, including DIA Officer Shacklemore, whose first and only other appearance was in PoorCynic's previous Workshop.
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Officer Theodore Shacklemore calmly finished writing up the latest transcription, then looked at the DMS Agent across the table from him. “I’m sure I don’t need to tell you that that last remark was close to an act of insubordination.”
Skeet leaned forward, his wrists settling on the table with a metallic jangle. “Technically speaking, wouldn't I have to be your subordinate in order to act insubordinate? Last time I checked, that’s not how they run this place.”
“As you well know, Assassin, insubordination refers to any act of disobedience or rebellion. And given your current status, disobedience is hardly going to be helpful to you.”
“Hey, I have a name, Shacklemore, and I know you know it – it’s in my file, along with rest of my details. I don’t call you ‘Officer’.”
“Have you considered doing so? It would be a show of respect. You gain nothing from this defiant act-”
“I have no intention of performing an act of defiance. An act of violence, on the other hand…”
“Would gain you even less.”
“Yeah? Well we’ll see if you feel the same way after I bounce your head off this table.”
“A task that will not be aided by your restraints.”
“What, these old things?” Skeet held his manacled wrists up. “A holdout blaster, a decent knife… hell, I could get out of these with a toothpick!”
“That sounds like quite a feat. I’d be very interested in seeing you do that.”
“Oh, errr… I-I don’t actually have a… toothpick on me… at the moment.”
Shacklemore made another note on the tablet in front of him, then reached up into his breast pocket and pulled out a pack of toothpicks. He selected one, and proceeded to work it into the gap between his incisor and canine, then put it down on the table. He then selected a fresh one and offered it across the table.
Skeet leaned back from the proffered pick, slouching in his chair and running his hands through his hair as if to straighten his ponytail, a movement that was slightly hampered by the cuffs. By the time he brought his hands back into view again, he’d somehow acquired a vibroknife.
The weapon made short work of the steel restraints.
“You were searched for weapons before being brought here.”
“Yes. Yes I was.”
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So I've tried to do something a little different to normal here and focus exclusively on the dialogue, only including the other narration when it was absolutely necessary to show what was happening in the scene. If I do end up using this scene in the actual storyline, I'll probably 'fill in the blanks' a little, actually give some descriptions and a few more speech tags, etc. For now, I'm just wondering how well I did characterising these guys just through their words. -
While Cynic said most of what I was going to... by
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...My concern with the third bit you wrote is it seems to be set up to make the entire DIA look like idiots to make your agent look cool. I don't know if this was intended but it's the inescapable vibe I get from reading it; this bit of feedback's probably useless now the thread has fallen off the front page, but I can elaborate anyway if anyone reads this. :P
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That wasn't my intention at all by
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No feedback is ever useless, particularly in this case as I've never had any problem with the sign in system on the Board, so I get an e-mail alert whenever someone replies to a comment of mine :)
It wasn't my intention to make the DIA seem like idiots (I'll admit that I do like making my agents look cool, but Shacklemore is just as much an agent of mine as Skeet is). I was just going for conflicting personalities, and a situation involving actual conflict, so that I could get their respective voices as distinct as possible.
Personally, I think it's Skeet that's being the idiot here - he's being incredibly brash and cocky, when polite co-operation would be far more beneficial to him. Let's face it, he's been arrested by the DIA; Skeet isn't going anywhere until they choose to let him do so.
I wouldn't want the DIA to seem like idiots. As well as having some DIA members, such as Shacklemore, appear as supporting roles in Skeet and Amy's stories, I do plan on writing some stuff for the DIA itself. I think it'd make an interesting change of pace from the typical missions, which tend to follow the same general patterns, and can be broadly classed as comedic action/adventure. With the DIA, I could try my hand at writing a PPC detective story.
Hope that clears things up. Do you have any advice on how I could change things to avoid that vibe you got? Just in case anyone else thought the same. -
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My thoughts on everything. by
on 2014-01-29 03:37:00 UTC
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Regarding the Starfighters of Adumar:
This snippet doesn't read well at all to my eyes. The description that follows after each bit of dialogue is completely redundant. I can tell Jansen is enthusiastic for a fight based on what he said. Hobbie is obviously something of a wet blanket based on his apparent anticipation of something going wrong. The dialogue seemed capable of standing on its own without the added descriptors.
Regarding the piece with Captain Ivaken:
This is better than the first example. Ivaken has a very strong and distinctive voice, although I do wish it had been a bit rougher (as benefits what seems to be a somewhat shady smuggler). I might be a bit spoiled in that regard by images of other space-wandering rogues a la Han Solo or Malcolm Reynolds, though. I'm definitely interested in seeing him interact with more people, and how different those interactions would be depending on who those other people are.
A few minor things:
-- 'Five was far more than would be needed for the negotiation' should be a separate sentence.
-- Word choice: 'obsequious' is a bit too much. What about 'oily' or 'ingratiating'?
-- 'The central suit whispered something into the ear of the speaker, and Jacus inwardly braced himself for the next monologue' can be separated into two separate sentences.
Regarding the piece with Skeet and Shacklemore:
This is great bit of back and forth. Very nice contentious banter, like you might hear out of a good cop drama. The ending also feels a bit cliff-hangery, which I really quite like. Is violence actually going to break out, or was Skeet just messing around to make a point? Solid stuff.
The only major qualm I have is Skeet's line 'Oh, errr… I-I don’t actually have a… toothpick on me… at the moment.' The sudden awkwardness just seems to clash with his previous sort of quiet bravado. Unless that's actually part of his character and he's putting on a very front for Shacklemore. -
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on 2014-01-29 16:19:00 UTC
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Regarding Starfighters of Adumar, I do sort of see what you mean. To give a little bit of context to the scene, it takes place near the beginning of the book, and I think it's one of the first times the main characters are actually gathered together. They're all recurring characters from the series (and the expanded universe in general) so I guess it's just supposed to be a little refresher of the characterisation that they've had before. (On a side note, I wouldn't personally class Hobbie as a wet blanket - while he is a very pessimistic 'glass is half empty' kind of guy, he is still a pilot in an elite fighter squadron).
I agree that avoiding redundancy/repetition is a good general rule, but I think it does have a place if it's used to confirm/emphasize a point, which is what I think it was doing in this case.
Having said that, it does feel a little clumsy, and that's part of the reason that I decided to strip down the piece with Skeet and Shacklemore to just the dialogue and the minimum description necessary for it to make sense.
The X-wing series also provides another really good example of giving a character a distinctive voice: Admiral Ackbar. He's an amphibious alien, and frequently uses ocean analogies when speaking - threats that they can't identify are referred to as riptides, fleets of spaceships descend on their targets 'like a tidal wave', etc. (I don't have the books in front of me, so I can't give actual quotes). It's quite subtle, but very effective when you notice it.
Regarding Captain Ivaken, I'm glad you feel that I was able to give him a distinctive voice, and I do take your point that he could sound a bit rougher. Being honest, I hadn't really given much thought to his characterisation beyond that single defining introductory line. Thanks for pointing out that other stuff too, particularly my use of 'obsequious' - it doesn't really fit with the rest of the piece. I think I'll use 'oily' for the re-write.
Regarding Skeet and Shacklemore, thank you for the comments. I'll have to bring Shacklemore into my actual spin-off sometime soon, instead of just using him in these workshops, because he's incredibly good fun to write.
Skeet's awkwardness with that line is supposed to be because he wasn't expecting Shacklemore to call his bluff (and yes, he was bluffing, he doesn't know how to get out of handcuffs using only a toothpick - but then, he doesn't need to). Maybe I over-exaggerated it a little, but I was trying to convey that through the dialogue alone, instead of using something like 'Not prepared for his bluff being called, Skeet stammered out a response...'.
Going back to the general subject of your workshop, one other way of giving a character a unique voice is to use a different font for them, like Death has in the Discworld books. As with transcribed accents/dialects I don't think it'd work if it was overused, but it's used very effectively in Discworld. -
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on 2014-01-29 19:19:00 UTC
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I was going to mention that as a method of creating unique voice. Discworld provides quite a few examples of that being used effectively besides Death (the golem written font in Feet of Clay and the Klatch-specific font in Jingo for example). The trouble is, that technique is a bit more difficult to use online for things like the PPC. Trying to implement different fonts can be a difficult task depending on how you choose to present your stories.
If you're looking to actually publish your story, using different fonts can open up a different problem all together: licensing. Fonts are considered to be copywritable. Some require licensing to be used in published material. -
Fonts and others such stuff. by
on 2014-01-30 19:31:00 UTC
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Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about the golem script and the Klatchian. I get your point about the potential difficulty of doing using that particular technique, it should be straightforward if you're using Google Docs to publish missions, but I don't know about anywhere else. And I never knew that fonts could be protected like that, that could certainly make things more complicated.
Thinking about it a little more, another way to give characters a distinctive voice is to give them unusual speech marks. Andalites have a distinctive way of speaking, so if you see someone talking <like this> around HQ, it's a safe bet that it's Agent Ilraen. Similarly, I've seen mechanical/robotic individuals talk +++like this+++, ::or this::. It's similar in effect to using a special font, but should be much easier to implement.
Character speech is actually a remarkably thought provoking topic. There's a fair bit that I've just done unconsciously before, and am only realising it now that I've stopped to think about it.
One of the things that I do tend consider when I'm trying to find a character's 'voice' is whether or not they use contractions, especially the more slang terms like gonna / going to.
Another, relatively minor, thing that I tend to think about is what they say when they pause for thought - whether they ummm..., errrrr..., or just always have a ready answer. -
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on 2014-01-26 03:35:00 UTC
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I believe some context is needed before people read it however...
This is based upon a game I play called Spiral Knights, it's my first time trying to write anything from that universe as well. And yeah, Storme Hawk will be becoming an Agent soon. More stuff about Spiral Knights can be found on the Wiki, although just for quick reference, Soldiers are fairly low ranked Spiral Knights, Storme Hawk is a Defender, a reasonably high ranked Spiral Knight but he's only recently been inducted to that rank, Vanguards are the highest rank possible and is only available after completing every ranked mission in the game.
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Hrm. by
on 2014-01-29 03:03:00 UTC
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The use of speech in your piece was... well it was rather unremarkable. Generic, almost. Nothing about it stood out. Nothing about it really told me anything about the characters. I only thing was able to ascertain was that Storme Hawk himself seems like a vaguely laid back character due to his use of slang like 'sup' and 'cool.'
Besides that, though, this piece is full of punctuation and grammar errors. There are missing commas, commas in places of periods, improperly structured sentences, and improper capitalization amongst other issues. There's a paragraph spaced entirely by itself that has no reason to be.
Finally, this seems to be pretty much impenetrable to someone who doesn't know anything about Spiral Knights. Who is Vanaduke? What is a Bark Module? Why are they needed for Pulsars? People should not have to skim through a Wiki to figure out what you're talking about. In regards to matters of canon that might not be known to a large audience, the impetus should not be on the reader to research, but for you to explain in a clear and concise manner. -
(excuse to fill in hole in my last mission) by
on 2014-01-25 06:31:00 UTC
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Okay, I definitely wrote something much longer than you were looking for, compared to the other stories so far. I also flagrantly disregarded your advice of not using a foreign language I'm unfamiliar with, but after a family of tourists from New Caledonia came through my zoo a couple of weeks ago, it struck me as strange that the PPC doesn't have more New Caledonian characters, so . . . yeah. Fixed that a bit.
http://doctorlit.dreamwidth.org/3452.html
So, yeah. If anyone finds a mistake in my French, feel free to yell at me for it. Any other mistakes, too, as this is unbeta'd (fun fact: rough draft was written during a single day shift at the stingray touch tank). Sorry about that, but I have no time to do much of anything any more! -
My thoughts. by
on 2014-01-27 23:00:00 UTC
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This reads pretty well to me. It doesn't strike me as being particularly speech-heavy as per my request, but there are still plenty of good moments conveyed through what dialogue there is. I get what Severine and Yoof are about (or at least, a basic snapshot of what they're about) just by reading some of their lines.
I like that you're doing more (if only a little bit) with New Caledonia. I think it's easy to forget that the PPC isn't just Headquarters. Goodness knows I've forgotten that a few times.
A tip regarding using foreign languages (which I must admit didn't come from me, but from the excellent book How Not To Write A Novel. Simple yet vital words like 'yes' or 'no' are typically amongst the first picked up by non-native speakers, so having Severine say 'oui oui' just seems a bit off to me. I did like her saying 'mon coeur' upon being surprised, however. That's a good way of using foreign languages right there.
I have one final note not related to the content of your writing. Your main Dreamwidth page is a little hard to navigate with all of your stories on full display. -
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on 2014-01-29 19:30:00 UTC
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I think there needs to be a balance, though, between using the foreign-language words realistically and using words the audience will actually recognize. (Which I probably broke by using "mon coeur," but you obviously knew it, so . . .)
And my Dreamwidth . . . hm. I hadn't really intended it to be navigable, but I guess I'd better fix it now that I have stuff there that doesn't fit into Doc's or Vania's wiki page chronologies. Shame I don't have a clue how to change that . . . -
The important thing about foreign languages... by
on 2014-01-29 20:14:00 UTC
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...is that it's all about context. You can use phrases and words that people might not specifically know so long as they can make a close guess (although I will admit that I actually do speak and read a little French).
Firefly is a prime example of this. The vast majority of its audience probably did not know what the occasional Chinese lines meant, but they were at least able to hazard a guess from the context in which those phrases were used. So when Inara says of the bounty hunter Early "Any chance the xiong meng de kung ren might survive?" after he's terrorized the crew and almost killed Simon, you can guess that it might not be particularly complimentary sentiment. -
I've been doing this recently. by
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Specifically, my epic megamission starring Agent Huinesoron has him using a lot of incidental Quenya. I've been trying to put in enough context that you don't have to be able to understand his actual words, like this:
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"Uito! Uito!" I whispered. "Úcenilyen! Úmeren nahtalyen!" You can't see me! I don't want to die!
Another step.
Nyx seemed to be counting in whatever language she called her own, though whether up or down, I don't know.
Another step, and a snuffling sound, as if the Balrog was sniffing the ground we'd just passed over.
"Varda, hyamen! Á lave ni lenda! Antuvan illi!" I was desperate now, promising the Valar anything – anything at all – if they'd just get me out of this.
Another step, and then-
"The minis!" Nyx hissed. "By all the saints – Huinesoron, give me the Activator! It's our only hope!"
"Estel ná vanwa!" I wailed, but threw her my pack anyway.
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There's a combination here of direct translation ('You can't see me!') provided by the (first-person) narrator, explanation ('promising the Valar anything') without actually directly translating, and complete lack of translation ('Estel na vanwa!'), with the narrative context trying to make the sense clear (his actual words are 'Hope is lost'; the 'wail' and 'but... anyway' sentence are supposed to convey the idea that he either thinks she's wrong, or just disagrees with her).
And then, of course, there's an appendix at the end giving the actual translations, because I know my audience. ;)
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I like to nitpick, but not in French. by
on 2014-01-25 20:18:00 UTC
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I learned French at school, but forgot nearly all of it over the years.
Anyway, there are some words missing:
She interacted with agents in person far less frequently than she did with their stashes, and no idea who lived where. should probably read and had no idea.
The wall opposite had television set should probably be The wall opposite had a television set.
And capitalization is missing at the begin of the sentence the green glow of a night light ...
I seem to remember these potatoes, but I may need to reread your missions, which wouldn’t be a bad thing if I only had the time.
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Man. Thank you! by
on 2014-01-29 19:19:00 UTC
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All those mistakes were right near each other. I must have been falling asleep right there and didn't realize!
The tater tots came from the author's note of my Sherlock Holmes mission. "Much tot eh confusion of the other inhabitants of 221b baker street." I (perhaps forcibly) misinterpreted this as tater tots that cause confusion. (Why tater tots instead of a little kid? Well, I like potatoes a lot more than I like children.)
Hey! That's the same sentence that produced the mini-Hound of the Baskervilles who appears in this story! Nice. -
You did ask... by
on 2014-01-25 07:48:00 UTC
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So I answer. The French seemed pretty good, though there was one thing I wasn't sure about.
In "'Bon bon! Find it, Yoof, find it!'", were you trying to have Séverine say "Good, good!" like I assume you were? That would make sense, though I'd probably put a comma between the 'bons'. The only thing that's hindering my comprehension is that, in French, bonbon means candy, which could also make sense in context. Just a note.
You're also missing the opening quotation marks here: She slammed the door and turned to Yoof, who had all of his hair and fur standing on end. Let us return to the kitchens before that beast attracts attention."
Nice! And it's true... I hadn't realised how very few New Caledonians there are.
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And yes, the candy pun was intentional. I'm glad my French usage was at least passable, otherwise.
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And now for something completely different by
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I know you said to use dialects sparingly, but I had a scene that absolutely needed to be written, and it just happens to involve several distinct dialects. It may be too much, but it is important.
So, I give you the first meeting of "Da Society For Da Equal Treatment'A Trolls, But Not Dose Trolls, Ya Know Da Trolls I Mean" or DSFDETATBNDTYKDTIM for short.
Trolling For The Cause
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Very nice by
on 2014-01-28 21:49:00 UTC
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The use of a unique dialect for each character made it totally clear who was speaking each line, with no further clarification needed once they'd been introduced. I don't think it would work as well in a longer piece - having to think about the dialogue all the time, and do a little bit of translation, would probably get tedious/annoying, but I think it worked really well in this short piece.
I really liked the 'Gotta get'im ta speed up so we can get'im up ta speed' line.
And I like the idea of the Watering Hole - a bar that caters specifically for non-humans seems like a very good idea for HQ, considering the variety in species within the PPC. -
Glad you liked it. by
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I would definitely not try to put all three of the Trolls into the same long piece. It would be overkill, to be sure.
I also like that line. I figured, part of Tuff's dialect is that he is several paragraphs behind everyone else, and I needed a way to show that the other characters are aware of that.
As for the Watering Hole, it is not just for non-humans. Martin, the owner, is human, after all. I imagine there are some human agents that go there to prove themselves to their fellow agents by doing shots of Water (the substance the bar is actually named for). I wouldn't recommend it, myself, but "agents will be agents," as they say. The clientele is mostly non-human, though.
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Re: Glad you liked it. by
on 2014-01-29 14:24:00 UTC
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I also like the "You're here because-" / "You told us there'd be cookies" exchange. I don't envy Barid for chairing that meeting.
I assumed that the Watering Hole would cater for humans as well as non-humans, although after re-reading my comment I'll admit that's not clear. The idea of human agents going for a drink there just to prove that they're tough enough to do so is cool - I can just see a hapless newbie wandering in by accident, completely unaware of the reputation the place has, and walking out with a reputation as an utter badass for being 'brave' enough to go in there on his first day. -
Hah! by
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Very nice. I look forward to seeing these characters built upon.
I think you use dialects fairly well. Barid's was a bit questionable (dropping the aitches from each here felt like a small step too far) but otherwise I thought I worked pretty well. A good way to know if you've pushed a dialect is too much is if your beta mentions having to sound each line out phonetically. -
Funny you should mention it... by
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I was actually feeling like dropping those "h"s was too much. Guess I should have gone with my gut on that one, huh?
Anyway, of the new characters, you will probably be seeing Monath first. I've got something in the works with her right now.
Thanks for the feedback.
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I need a translation. by
on 2014-01-25 19:01:00 UTC
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But only for what Monath Clokka says. Astounding enough, I understand most of this other language that only vaguely resembles English.
During my short visit in World of Warcraft several years ago, I never met a NPC troll. Do they really talk like this?
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Translations by
on 2014-01-25 20:20:00 UTC
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In World of Warcraft, the Trolls all talk like Barid. In game, they tend to not spell out the dialect, though. It is a Jamaican accent, though they would claim it is a Troll accent.
Monath is a Troll from a different continuum: Homestuck. For her, just switch all the "7"s for "t"s and you should be able to follow from there. Also, there is an extra comma in every sentence she says. This is all in keeping with the rules of her world, and can take some getting used to.
So, her first line is: "-- you, 7oLd us 7here'd be cookies!"
Which translates to: "-- you told us there'd be cookies!"
Her second line: "7ha7's, jus7 gross."
Becomes: "That's just gross."
Homestuck Trolls are weird.
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Nightmares of Sues Past by
on 2014-01-24 21:32:00 UTC
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Rina kicked her feet up on the console, being careful to keep her clunky boots away from any buttons. She yawned and raked her fingers through her short hair.
"You know," her partner, Randa, said from the floor, "When you asked me to join the PPC, I didn't think it would be so... boring."
Rina made a face. "Just give it some time, okay? Why don't you go play Solitaire or something?"
"I don't know how to play Solitaire."
"What about War? That always takes forever; I'd be willing to play..."
Randa shrugged and rolled over so she was lying on her back. "I can't believe they didn't give us any beds," she muttered.
"They?"
"The freaky talking plants."
Rina stifled a snort. "Well, you can't really blame them, can you? It's not like the S.O. needs a bed." She paused. "Although, considering the majority of agents use beds, you'd think we'd get at least cots or something." She looked around their RC, but the only things to see were the Generic Material of the walls and floor and the weapons rack.
Rina yawned again, vaguely thinking about taking a nap. Of course, the Universal Laws of Narrative Irony decided to manifest.
[BEEEEEP]
"Ack!" Rina sat bolt upright and swung her feet off the console. "Hey, Randa! We've got our first mission!"
"Really? Awesome! What is it?" Randa peered at the screen, not noticing her partner's mouth fall open. Randa somehow managed to groan and giggle at the same time. "Seriously? This one hatched from a dragon egg?"
"Bwah?" Rina could only gape at the readout.
Randa glanced at Rina, a frown creasing her forehead. "What's wrong?"
"They're screwing with me. It's the only explanation," Rina muttered, rubbing her eyes and double-checking that she hadn't been seeing things. She glared at the ceiling. "This isn't funny!" She yelled.
"Rina, you're not making any sense," Randa said irritably. "What is going on?"
Rina gestured at the screen. "I- I- I wrote this! When I was ten!" she said miserably. "Jade Leanna Dragonheart, hatched from a Hungarian Horntail's egg, has a dragon tail and wings and is immune to fire. She can breathe it, too." She groaned and sank back in the chair, wondering how difficult it would be to smash the console.
A burst of laughter made her look up. "Stop laughing!" she snapped.
"Sorry," Randa said, gasping for air. "Just- you wrote- dragon tail-!" Randa was positively howling with laughter at that point.
Rina snarled several choice expletives as she stood and stomped to the weapons rack. Randa's laughter was cut off when Rina thrust an axe into her arms. "We're going to kill this abomination as soon as possible, and we will make it painful. Torture's unfortunately out of the question, so we'll have to be... creative." She slung a quiver over her shoulder and grabbed a recurve bow. "And stop laughing!"
Randa bit the inside of her mouth, her shoulder shaking with silent guffaws as Rina opened a portal and stormed through.
(Unfortunately, yes, I did in fact write this Sue. Thank god I only ever wrote one chapter, but it was a doozy. Ugh.) -
My thoughts. by
on 2014-01-27 02:29:00 UTC
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This is a fairly solid little piece. I liked the acknowledgement that yes, physic human-sized plants are vaguely freaky. It's easy to forget how strange that would seem when writing for more experienced agents.
The biggest weakness to my mind is how similar Rina and Randa sound. There wasn't enough in their voices to really distinguish them from each other. Keep in mind that the vast majority of any missions you might write in the future are going to consist of these two bantering with each other and reacting to badfic. Fortunately, repeated practice should help you both develop a separate voice for each agent.
The only other thing I would note is there are a couple paragraphs with some slight repetition. We know Randa was gasping for air, we can thus assume she was the one howling with laughter.
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I figured the characters would sound kind of similar... Though Randa and I have talked about little things like our agents' first day at the PPC (if we get permission), I wrote this without Randa's input on her agent. Randa herself is a LOT quirkier than me, so it should be interesting. (She's thinking about fighting with a titanium yo-yo complete with steel cord. Not sure how practical that is, but it'd be kind of funny...)
Hmm... I was trying to convey that Randa just wouldn't. Stop. Laughing., but looking back... Yeah, it is kind of repetitive. I'll have to work on that.
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Well done by
on 2014-01-25 17:49:00 UTC
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I couldn’t spot a single mistake. But don’t be too proud now; I’m not a native speaker and our “teacher” may still have to say something. Also story wise, it works well as an introduction of the agents. But I wonder why they didn’t get beds and how they sleep. I expect you to elaborate when you get Permission and continue to write this story arc.
One tip, though. Leaving empty lines between the paragraphs makes your text more readable; otherwise it may be difficult to determine whether you intend to start a new paragraph when a line incidentally ends near the right margin. And you don’t need to save on paper here, right?
I don’t often have or take the time to welcome people here, and I have hard times finding welcome gifts, because a gift should be something meaningful. So I gave you a review.
Welcome on Board.
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Um, oops? by
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Sorry about the lack of paragraph distinctions... I usually post from my phone (yay for limited computer time) and didn't realize the formatting would be different. Sorry. *wince*
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Oops? I should have read this before I posted my review. (nm) by
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Don't worry about it by
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Naw, don't worry about it. I felt like a total noob (insert obligatory obvious statement here) when I realized there weren't any easily noticed paragraph breaks...
And thank you for the review! That really made my day. :D Randa and I didn't get beds because HQ just kinda forgot. They'll be there when (if) we kill my Sue.
Actually, now that I think about it, how should I phrase that last paragraph? If Randa and I eventually get permission to take missions, our agents will be pretty much our self inserts, but there's still that distinction that I'm not sure how to make. ^_^ -
If I ever dare to ask for Permission, by
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one of my agents will be a self insert. Whenever I talk about us, I am “I” and he is "Agent Hieronymus", or "still-not-Agent Hieronymus" when it’s not clear from the context that I need to get Permission before he can be an Agent.
But when I refer to my other agent’s "creator", it is not entirely clear who this might be. I still have to figure out what are the differences between mine and Agent Hieronymus’ experience with her.
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First encounter by
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Knock, knock.
“Come in!” called Androia, putting down her book and looking for something to use for a bookmark..
“Expletive not translated,” muttered a deep voice from the direction of the door. Androia let the book go and turned to gaze at the stocky male human in the open doorway. The human gazed back with wide eyes.
“I beg your pardon,” said Androia, “I could not hear you clearly. What did you say?”
“Uhm, wrong language,” explained the human, distorting his face into an awkward grin.“I meant to say good morning, or whatever time it may be in this corner of Headquarters.” As far as Androia could determine through all the facial hair, the movement of his lips did not match the sound of his words, but she was used to this; very view agents spoke her native language.
“Good morning, sir,” answerded Androia with a little frown, “it is short after breakfast time for me, and incidentally this is also the announced arrival time for my new partner. So, may I assume – no, you are not possibly a field agent?”
“Well, this sodden plant gave me a potted cactus flash patch and told me to go to this arr zee,” growled the man, “so what would you think? Having second thoughts about my age? It’s the grey beard, right?”.
“Come in then, and forgive me if I were unpolite. I should not have jumped to conclusions. I do not know whether you are what I assume you are, and this colour my not have any significance.”
Surprisingly, Androia could watch the man’s face colour change to match the natural colour of her skin, just before he turned to close the door. “Expletive girl, expletive, human enough,” he murmured. “You didn’t need to step on the other toe. Okay, I’ll calm down, it’s forgiven, you couldn’t know.” When he turned back to face Androia, his skin had paled and the awkward grin was on his face again. “May we start this all over again?” he offered.
“Welcome to response centre one thousand nine hundred fifty three,” replied Androia, not eager to push one of his berserk buttons again. “My name is Androia Avatar. I am a nigth elf from World of Warcraft. Is it usual to shake hands in your culture?”
The human stepped forward to grip Androia’s outstretched hand, and then held it a bit firmer and longer than would have been appropriate. “I’m glad to meet you,” he sang out, “and I’m sure we will be a good team.”
“This is still to be seen,” responded the night elf. “What, did you say, is your name?” Her mysterious new partner let go off her hand and shrank back.
“Uh, there’s a little problem with this,” he stated. “If you don’t mind, I would like to be anonymous.”
“Anonymous? That would be ridiculous,” retorted Androia.
“No, not ridiculous, the name would be Anonymous.”
“I refuse to work with an anonymous partner!”
“Ah, well then, if you insist on misspelling my name,” the male gave in, “you may call me Hieronymus. That’s what the Marquis registered anyway.”
“Agent Hieronymus,” declared Androia, “we need to come to an agreement immediately. If we will be partners, we need to be honest to each other. You have already lied to me at least once.”
“When did I lie to you?”
“There is no wrong language for a Universal Translator. You clearly did not say good morning when you entered this room. I will not insist on a translation, nor will I ask why you want to hide your real name. But you have to explain what you meant when you said you were human enough. When we are in a badfic together, I need to know your abilities and limits.”
Androia had to take breath, and Hieronymus used this pause to interject “I didn’t ask what your abilities and limits are.”
“You may look me up in the World of Warcraft Wiki; I am a level ten druid, specializing in Healing. Now, what are you?”
“Okay, I will tell, but it’s a long story.”
“Then you should start soon.”
“Well, the essence is that I lived in the PPC archives for some time, until one of DoSAT’s Hollywood Hackers tracked me down and they got me out. They say I’m a digital clone of my original self, and I cannot go home to world one, because there is another me at OFUA, and when Miss Kitty sends her students home at the end of the year, there will be two of us.”
“That is a bad fate,” empathized Androia, “but how did you get into the archives?”
“They also threatened me that I might not be able to survive in a world were narrative laws don’t precede scientific laws,” continued Hieronymus, ignoring the question as well as the implications that mentioning his enrolment at the Official Fanfiction University of Azeroth had given away. “Oh, and the DIA tried to neuralize me before they realized that they cannot send me home, so I actually don’t remember my real name.”
“This is – “ started Androia, but she never ended the sentence, because this was the moment the console went BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP.
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Author’s notes:
The provisional claim of RC 1953 is pending Permission.
Agent Hieronymus would speak English, but swear in German, if there were no Universal Translators. I imagine that Androia hears everything he says in her native language, so she wouldn’t know the difference.
In a scene written from Hieronymus’ POV, he would obviously know which language he is using. But trying to speak English and only swear in German would make no sense when he knows that everything is translated for the audience’s convenience, and it would probably break the fourth wall, because the only conceivable reason to do so anyway would be Hieronymus’ attempt to keep his story K-rated for the readers. But then he is wall-breaking anyway?
So here is a question: Are Universal Translators smart enough to know that, when a person says some words in a language that is not their working language, this should not be translated? Which, in accord with the general mischief of PPC-technology, means that, if Hieronymus swears too much, the UT would no longer realize that Hieronymus native language is not his working language, and would start to translate?
“<a href="http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/UniversalTranslator">Of course, they sort of take the fun out of swearing in foreign languages (though some Translators appear to be governed by the Laws of Narrative Comedy in this regard).” Yes, works for me. -
My thoughts (and a bit on Universal Translators) by
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You do a good job communicating character through speech in this piece. Spelling out RC phonetically is a particularly nice touch. My favorite bit was probably the exchange of "Anonymous? That would be ridiculous." "No, not ridiculous, the name would be Anonymous." I was immediately reminded of the "Surely you can't be serious" gag from Airplane!.
I like your take on universal translators. You bring up things (like how lip movement wouldn't match the words being said) that aren't typically thought about. Still, I think you'll find that fictional universal translators have a long history of not translating foreign curse words. But the Laws of Narrative Comedy should work as a decent cover. They certainly did for me when I had Gremlin curse in what probably wasn't very good Chinese in an old interlude.
I was a bit confused by the reaction Hieronymus had before he went to close the door. Not by the intent -- he's obviously sensitive about being a clone -- but by what he specifically said and how quickly he calmed down. It just felt awkward in how it was staged. Maybe if you had stretched that exchange out for a few more sentences; had a bit more of a heated back and forth.
You should only follow 'said so-and-so' with a comma if the dialogue that follows it is part of the same sentence that preceded 'said so-and-so.' There are a few run-ons (the paragraphs beginning "I beg your pardon" and "Good morning, sir") caused by your using commas where you should use period. And while people sometimes do speak in run-on sentences, these particular run-ons sound a bit off.
Some minor things:
-- Spelling: “ 'Good morning, sir,' answered Androia with a little frown."
-- You are missing a quotation mark at the beginning of the eighth paragraph.
-- There should be a period after 'interject' in the twenty-first paragraph.
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Clarification by
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Enrolment is British English, and this is what I learned at school. But I read a lot of American stuff since then, so I am often not aware (or don’t even care) which language I am writing. Since my main fandoms (Harry Potter and LOTR) are British, I would prefer British English for writing in the PPC, but I have still to figure out how to tell spell check that “this text is not meant to be in American English”.
The period missing after 'interject' may have wandered up to the end of the second paragraph. Didn’t you see it there?
Is the beginning of the eight paragraph: “Come in then, and forgive me ...”?
I don’t like this one paragraph myself. Your challenge got me by surprise and I wanted to put this up before the thread is halfway down the page. So I was too hasty again and will have to do some more work on it, but this is no excuse for three SPaG errors.
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Great stuff! by
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I really liked the contrast between the two characters; I can easily imagine Androia getting fed up with Hieronymus' attitude. Funnily enough, though, what made me grin while reading this was Hieronymus' pronunciation of RC. That was a nice touch.
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A review by
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I really like this scene. You've set up some nice backstory secrets to discover as these two work together. You've got a nice voice on Androia, too; very formal, which works well next to Hieronymous's more relaxed tone. I also liked how you handled the swearing in this. It is a nice little joke, which keeps the rating at family friendly levels, and you can guess what he actually said, if you are so inclined.
Overall, well done. I look forward to eventually seeing what these two get up to.
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Challenge response. by
on 2014-01-23 05:14:00 UTC
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I like dialogue. Of all the elements of storytelling, it's always come the most naturally for me. I can just about hear my characters' voices when I'm writing them, and it's fun sounding out particular word choices.
I've got a piece of prequel that I think fits the bill. It was already written, but I've tidied it up a little. The rest of the story will be even more dialogue-heavy, once all the necessary descriptions are in place, but I'm not going to be able to write it in time to post here. So, here's the beginning.
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Late 2003
The young twenty-something standing at the counter of the nurses' station was tall—quite a bit taller than Head Nurse Suzine. She had to tilt her head back to look him in the face. It made his thin, slanting eyebrows seem even more arched than they already were, and in her professional opinion, they were approaching Elven Eyebrow o' Doom levels.
"I'm sorry," she said, "but we just don't take agents. It's the Department of Fictional Psychology for a reason, you know. Why don't you try Medical?"
"Because that's not what I need," said the young man. He had a clipped way of speaking, as though each word were a cut-out from a different magazine. The fingers of his left hand drummed an erratic sequence into his thigh. "My body is fine. They don't want to see me. They have more important things to do."
Suzine was not a fan of the disdain with which he spoke the last sentence. "Look, if you think you can stand there and insult our line of work while you insist we make an exception for you, you've got—"
"Hey, what's up?"
Suzine turned around to see who had entered the station. "Oh, it's you, Robinson." The intern, a brown-haired, green-eyed woman a little older than the young man, was a pain in Suzine's neck. "What do you need? Make it quick."
"Nurse Dewstan sent me to tell you they were able to release Mulder, but we've got a Spike and Angel situation over in 204 and Legolas is back again." She sounded bored, and immediately broke eye contact with Suzine to peer at the young man. "Who's this?"
That was her problem: she never knew when to mind her own business. "Just an agent who thinks he's somehow more deserving of our time than everyone else in the multiverse. It's not your concern, Robinson. Tell Nathon—"
"But maybe I can help," said the insufferable woman. "Come on—you don't trust me with the canons, so let me handle this kid. What does he want?"
"I'm right here, you know." The young man folded his arms.
"He declined to say," Suzine said archly.
"I don't want to talk to anyone who's not going to help me," said the young man.
"Suzine, it isn't as though you'd be taking me away from anything important," said Robinson. "They don't need me."
Suzine breathed heavily through her nose, counting to five. Then she threw up her hands. "Fine! Robinson, you can see him in your office. Just stay out of my way, both of you."
"Great!" She beamed and practically skipped out the side door to the station. She tried to take the young man's hand, but he jerked it away. "Well, this way, then," she said, spirits somewhat dampened.
"I want a complete workup, Robinson," Suzine called, leaning out the front window. "No shirking, no funny business!"
"No problem!" Entirely too flippant for Suzine's liking, the girl waved over her shoulder as she led the young man away to C-14.
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Challenge response response. by
on 2014-01-26 02:15:00 UTC
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I'm with you 100% when it comes to dialogue. Sometimes I'll speak lines aloud as my characters (or at least, in terrible impersonations of my characters) just to hear how they would scan. Sure, it's lead to people questioning my overall sanity, but it's all for the good of the craft!
This piece is pretty solid overall. It's definitely got me interested in seeing the full story when it comes out. I definitely got some sense of each of the three character's personalities through their vocal choices. Nume has a odd preciseness about him, Suzine is a bit spiky towards others, and Jennifer is cheerful and energetic.
There were, to my mind, a few issues. For one: "Suzine was not a fan of the disdain with which he spoke the last sentence." This line feels like it leans a bit more towards telling rather than showing. I would have liked to see Nume's disdain in his speech by itself. Maybe something like: "They don't want to see me. They have more... important things to do."
When Jennifer says "They don't need me." Who is they and why are they deserving of italics? If you're referring to the canons, the point was already made that she isn't trusted with them.
Finally, a little thing that's more about the PPC than dialogue. According to the wiki, Medical gave up treating the mental issues of deranged agents (or rather, gave up handing out Bleeprin like it was candy) in early 2003 HST. But your story has FicPsych still not addressing the needs of agents in late 2003. I understand that those dates are extremely vague, but there's still an apparent gap. I guess it can be easily explained away by bureaucratic hemming and hawing. Still, something to consider. -
You write so much better than me by
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that it is really hard to think of something to say other than
(insert obligatory positive feedback here, because I’m really bad at this)
I look forward to reading more about Jenni’s early days in FicPsych. Should I recognize the young man?
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I believe he's Supernumerary. by
on 2014-01-26 01:39:00 UTC
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http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Supernumerary
Neshomeh had said the entry was a prequel to her stories, and the young man certainly sounds like Supernumerary. Plus, Supernumerary has been occasionally described as resembling Spock, which would explain the arched eyebrows that were mentioned at the beginning.
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Does anyone here play Touhou? by
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Any, really? I play Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil, but am looking for other good ones.
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I don't, but... by
on 2014-01-23 23:03:00 UTC
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It sounds interesting... what's it like?
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Damage Game by
on 2014-01-24 20:40:00 UTC
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As said before, it's a danmaku game that involves dodging bullets (or at least trying to). It's hard as hell, and I haven't beaten the 4th level of this game yet, it gets so difficult.
It's fun, though. You should try it. -
It's a danmaku game by
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"danmaku" being Japanese for "crap-ton of bullets on the screen, in beautiful geometric patterns, that you'll eventually need Superman-like reflexes to dodge." (lol)
If you want to know what a Touhou game looks like, there's a Let's Play from RoahmMythril of Imperishable Night on YouTube. -
Dodge? by
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You don't dodge things in Touhou, you do damage control.
Or you actually do dodge them, transcend humanity, and become a god.
Seriously though, I've played video games for the past 13 years and I don't think I can track/evade the projectiles in this game. -
You think that was godly? by
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Now THIS is godly! (Granted, he had to use a few bombs, but even you must admit that the danmaku spreads here put Touhou to shame!
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You have shown me true beauty. by
on 2014-01-25 07:55:00 UTC
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Allow me to repay you in kind.
Red Bull Battlegrounds, November 2013. StarTale's Bomber, one of Korea's top Terrans, squares off against Acer's Scarlett, Canada's finest Zerg player.
This 26-minute StarCraft II match is hailed as the best pro game to have ever been witnessed by anyone, ever.
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It isn't your job to track every projectile, just the ones closest to you. If you notice the beauty of the danmaku spreads, you're doing it wrong.
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B-but, they're so pretty... (nm) by
on 2014-01-24 17:50:00 UTC
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I made it! Idid it! by
on 2014-01-24 13:28:00 UTC
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Hello everyone! This is the Randa portion of Rina and Randa!
(this is actually my first time on a board like this so I'm still trying to figure it out).
Just stopped by to say hello, and thank everyone for welcoming us so happily.
(if you could see my face you'd be like "woah that's a big smile, dang") -
Heh, heh. by
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I'll dispense with the usual messages for once and just give you a cup of Mao Feng tea. Just don't let the leaves eat you.
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RANDA! *tacklehug* by
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Man, I thought you were never going to show up! Here! *holds out plate of fudge and a potato cannon and a shiny orb* These are some of the things I promised to pass along. Oh, and whatever you do, don't try to make that orb thingy touch the ground. *casually kicks rug over scorch mark on the floor*
And yeah, when she came in to school this morning, she was smiling like the Cheshire Cat. So yeah, it WAS a big smile. Hehehe. -
Welcome, other half of a newbie! by
on 2014-01-25 01:06:00 UTC
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You can have a left sock knitted for a giant, two snickers bars, and an interesting rock!
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Sockssssss by
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Does this mean the sock is big enough to sleep in? Because if so, I would.
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ASoIaF related question by
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Well, more like a state your opinion kind of thing. Anyways, who is your favorite character or least favorite character in A Song of Ice and Fire and why?
The Emperor Protects!
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Mission complete! by
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AT LAST! Marvin and Printworthy's first mission is finally complete! After almost a year of procrastinating and ignoring it, it somehow got written! You can read it here:
Mission One: The Death and Resurrection of Shining Armor
If you have not read the first meeting of Marvin and Printworthy...don't bother, really, this mission introduces them just fine. But, if you absolutely must read it, see them at RC #901\1Y
Thanks to sonofheaven176, Herr Wozzeck and the Irish Samurai for all of the help they gave, be it beta reading the mission, checking charges, or helping me come up with an ending. Thank you all so much!
And now, there are some wigs-on-sticks that I have to give away. Who wants one? -
Re: Mission (spoiler warning) by
on 2014-01-27 06:04:00 UTC
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I think this mission was a success. The major point that dawned on me as I read was that it "fit" so well into the LMPverse. Aside from the one unavoidable badfic scene where Shining Armor got stabbed, all the scenes felt appropriate for a cartoon aimed at children. One example of this was the relationship between Marvin and Printworthy; their friendship read very naturally to me, very simply buddy-buddy. Even the more serious ones were handled properly so that they didn't fly in the face of the canon's values. You did this by either toning down violence and aggression (like in the final fight scene), or adding a bit of little silliness when the badfic inflicted overwrought emotion on us (as when Cadence started acting insane--love that "Neighcronomicon" joke, by the way). At the same time, you still allowed the characters to express emotions appropriate to what was happening around them, which helped the mission get across the damage the continuum was suffering from the badfic. The absolute epitome of this was the ending scene between Cadence and Shining Armor. I like that, after the removal of the sparkle specters, the characters still felt the consequences of what they (thought they) had done, and own up to it. I like it when we show a bit of the canon characters back to normal after a mission; it's something I need to get better at, myself. All in all, this mission did an excellent job of involving both the agents (and mini!) and the canon characters in the solution to the badfic problem, even including the Changelings.
Other things I enjoyed include your excellent use of cartoon physics (another example of making the mission feel in the MLPverse); some of the actions the agents make feel like they belong in the flash cartoon-style MLP. Your interpretation of the rather unique time distortion's effects was good as well. You went beyond stating the agents felt sick from it, and used their speech to demonstrate what was happening to them in a more concrete form for the reader. Rartiy's characterization was also excellent, and you made good use involving it in the finale, especially since you had it act through aspects of Discord's personality. It was a perfect way to show off the more negative aspects of a mini-Discord's personality while still keeping the mini allied to the agents and canon. I also liked that the agents used their foreknowledge of the title to realize what was coming and modify their plans as a result. It's something that a person reading the badfic would have done, and helps link the reader to the characters.
There were a couple of very unique things you tried, which I don't see in missions very frequently, but which you accomplished quite well. First, you used one of the badfic's own events (resurrecting Shining Armor) against it. This doesn't really make sense when you think about it, but canon is stronger than fic, after all, so I can interpret this as the canon words seeing an opportunity to regain some influence and seizing it. It wasn't just a standalone event for convenience's sake, either, but a clue to the agents as to the nature of the wraiths present in the other canons. The second, and especially interesting thing, was providing a "rewrite" of Shining Armor's death scene. This made stronger the assertion that the death had been neglected by the single paragraph in-fic, and also made it easier for the reader to understand why Marvin got so upset over that, simply by showing (not telling) a very obvious contrast between the two different portrayals of a single scene. It does contradict our typical reporting (whatever the fic says is what happens, and if the fic says it stupidly, it happens stupidly), but you made this scene do so much work that I personally find that a negligible problem.
One thing that confused me was the "manes and tails on sticks" thing. I'm sure it's the result of something in the words, but I can't quite see the connection between what was written in the badfic and what resulted from those words, based on what you show us in the mission right now. Also, at a couple of points you refer to the MLP characters speaking English. I doubt the Ponies speak the same languages as appear on Earth, but I know this gets confusing between universal translators and such.
And now, your first exposure to doctorlit's really quite obnoxious listing of minor errors he found (I read the mission yesterday and wrote this comment today, so I apologize if you already fixed any of these):
"Rather, happiness is a sign to those in the Legal Departments that the agents are getting too comfortable, and need to be reminded of the nature of their work." Pretty sure we only have one Legal Department. I think. Have I missed anything, guys?
"Shining Armor and Cadence magically appeared in the middle of the room and, by the sound of it, an argument."
I think a verb "had" is missing in front of "an argument." Unless you're saying that the argument appeared along with the characters, but if so, that sounds a little clunky.
" . . . said Printworthy. I know how important grooming is for pegasi . . ." A missing open quotation.
"Printworthy stared, baffled at his surly insane partner . . ." I think you meant "surely" instead of "surly" here.
"With a final whistle from the Agent, the Wraith flew out of Cadence’s body . . ." That should be a lowercase "a," so as to avoid kidnapping Lily Winterwood's Time Lord character.
"'I will open the portal to the Medical department.'" A capital "D."
Finally, the alrights. "Alright" is not a word; the phrase is "all right." I won't list them all; just use the search function for that. -
Wow. Thank you. by
on 2014-01-27 09:12:00 UTC
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This is a very thorough and thought out review, and I thank you for posting it.
Yes! I was worried some bits got too violent in the mission, so I'm thrilled that you noticed that I tried to make it sound apropriate for the universe of MLP. I thought, if I am going to be writing missions set exclusively in Equestria, I can't have them feel inappropriate to the tone of the show, as I would be far too hypocritical for blasting fic that felt wrong in a way that was also contradictory to the show. I also thought Marvin and Printworthy should be friends because of this. While agents who can't stand each other can be funny, it is the Magic of Friendship that will pull these two through.
I like to explore the effects of badfic, which is why I used the canons in the way I did. Just because they have been released from the Specter's, erm, Wraith's grasp, it does not mean the fic never happened. The end scene with Shining Armor and Cadence is one of my favorites, as it drives home one of the points I tried to make: this story can work. Yes, as it is, the fic sucks, but the core story has such potential it hurts! So, I take glimpses into 'what could have been,' to both tell good fic and to show how it is done.
Ah, Rartiy. You know, I missed this mini the first few times I read it. Originally the mini was going to be griffon. Turns out, in Equestria, griffin is spelled griffon, as shown in the merch and the episode 'Griffon the Brush Off.' I was so sad to lose my mini, but then I found Rartiy and, well, you saw what happened from there. Rartiy's personality is a bit of Discord blended with the drama of Rarity, as well as her pension for 'organized chaos.' This was not too evident in this mission, but will come to provide Printworthy with no shortage of headaches.
I debated with myself for a long time on how to present Shining Armor's death. I wanted to do the rewrite version, which I did, yet I also knew how the PPC usually treats these scenes. In the end, I desided that ultimately what was important was that the Agents were physically there in the fic. The paragraph left too little information to make a joke out of, so I showed how it 'really' happened. I am thrilled so many people like that scene, and that I had made the right decision.
The Wigs-on-Sticks were made because when the badfic tried to insert description, it always described the pony's mane. It was jarring and very sudden when it happened, so I desided to make the strange mane descriptions a joke item. Perhaps if you read the fic, it would be funnier. Sadly, the fic is deleted, though I do have it saved. Oh well.
I think I remember one of the ponies referencing English in the show, though I may be wrong. I do know that Equestrian is suspiciously like English though, so perhaps I'll make a joke out of that.
Ah, more things to change. Some things I caught, others are new to me. However, I will not be changing the alrights. To me, alright and all right are two similar, but different phrases. Alright is a synonym for acceptable, fine, OK, ect. All Right means correct, factual, ect. Plus, alright is becoming more widespread and accepted, enough that my Kindle dictionary recognises it as a word, with the definition I used. So, to do my part to make alright an accepted word, I will use it when appropriate. Thank you, though, for voicing your concern.
Thank you so much for this review. I am thrilled you enjoyed it, and I hope the next one is as good, if not better. -
Wigs on Sticks by
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I could post the descriptions, since I have a copy of the badfic, but now that you've said that the fic is deleted, I'm having second thoughts. Was the fic deleted before or after you sporked it? Apparently, the author knew that his fic wasn't as good as it should have been.
As for the question of how the wigs on sticks came about, it was due to clumsy phrasing. Since the mission almost quotes the text leading to the Cadence wig verbatim, I'm not that squeamish about posting that:
Shining Armor told his pink alicorn wife with a long blonde mane and tail that has shades of dark pink and purple in it as he wiped the tears from her purple eyes "hey don't worry there's no way i'll let a griffon/ changeling hybrid get the best of me plus do you want them to attack and take over Canterlot."
The author clearly intended to integrate a description of Cadence into the sentence, but as PPC humor requires badly-written sentences to be interpreted in the most humorous way possible, voilà! Shining is talking to Cadence while holding a Cadence-mane wig!
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That is rather tragically clumsy. by
on 2014-01-28 05:17:00 UTC
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My eyes are practically tripping over that sentence.
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Oh, no, lemme explain. by
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I only learned that it was deleted because I was looking to provide links to the badfic for the Wiki and other such places. So, I can't be sure when it was deleted, though it was up while I was sporking it, and a good way into it. However, this is not the first time the author has done this. He likes to put his stories up, leave them there for a few months, then take them down and put them back up with relatively minor canon edits and barley any grammar changes. He's allowed because he's making it "up to date," when really, he's just having his story on the front page. I may seem like I'm attacking the guy, but when I watched him do the same basic thing to three other stories, I feel fairly safe on this assumption. So no, he does not think it could be better. He wants more traffic.
Also, based on my philosophy on how works are separate from their creators, I may post the whole thing. I'd have it as a link only view at the end of the mission so that nobody could just stumble across it and bring the guy any more embarrassment then the mission itself would. I would also note that he is likely to come out with a (slightly) edited version at some point, and encourage readers to see his new work and support his improvement as a writer. He seems like a nice guy, just a bad writer who has (thus far) ignored criticism of his work. I want to bring support to his new works, while also laughing at the old, worse ones.
...That said, this is not likely the last fic from dbzponyninja that Marvin and Printworthy will 'fix.' Really, he seems to be a good guy with an honest heart and some great ideas, but just terrible writing. All of his fics so far have been bad. All of them. I'm almost convinced he is the nicest troll ever. -
Bravo! by
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Congratulations on your first mission!
This one was a real treat to read: your characterization, description, and PPC humour are spot-on. I especially loved the banter between your agents.
I'll be looking forward to seeing these two again... -
Oh, this is great! by
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I wish I could write battle scenes like this. And Cadence showing Marvin her grief, and – well, essentially everything others already said.
Unfortunately, I had to maintain my own charge list:
Marvin gave his full attention to the console, applying the most accurate and sophisticated manner he knew to get to console to behave as he wanted.
Should be get the console
Printworthy walked over to the case Marvin pointed towards, and began searching though the assorted titles.
Should be searching through
What you see here is an extra space in front of a backslash: a griffon \changeling hybrid
What is seen in the badfic, supposed you quoted it correctly, is an extra space at the back of a slash.
There is a word, probably at, missing in “Evidently,” he said, still looking the Words?
swinging and stabbing at the enemy, forcing most of them back. Shouldn’t this be enemies?
their victory having came at last (Tense shift?) Shouldn’t this be having come at last?
Shining Armor’s corpse laid on his back, My Dictionary says that lay would be the past tense of to lie, while laid is the past tense of to lay.
Each bend he turned, the louder the sounds became. This sounds weird. I would expect another phrase following the louder the sounds became. You probably meant Each bend he turned, the sounds became louder.
The swarm began back down their original path. Is there something missing?
He had to remember to go the inverse direction he went before. I’m not sure, but something may be missing here as well.
At some point though the reading Should be through the reading?
Please catch this mini-agent: Mavin looked into Cadence’s eyes.
And there is a minor continuity issue: Last time we saw Shining Armor in the battle, his mouth had been bound shut with multi-colored rope by Rartiy. When we see him again, he is outside, resting from his regeneration and subsequent fighting for his new life and he can smile and speak without difficulty. A lot has happened meanwhile, but I still wonder who removed the rope.
But I enjoyed it anyway, it’s a fantastic first mission.
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The "the enemy" one is fine. by
on 2014-01-26 02:51:00 UTC
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It's a somewhat-popular expression in English to refer to a massed force of opponents as "the enemy". I'm slapping myself for having missed the mini-Agent and all of those "though"s, though.
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Glad you liked it. by
on 2014-01-26 02:04:00 UTC
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Heh, you know how much work it took to get that battle scene to feel right? I'm sure you can write battle scenes just as good if you try. May take a while, but you'll get it.
Oh, jeez, that many errors? I'm building up quite the list. Ah well, such is to be expected. I'll add these to the list of things to change. Thanks for pointing them out though!
Oh, on the continuity issue: I'll just say that Printworthy removed it when he caught up to him. I'll think a bit on if I should address this in the story, but the way I'm thinking now, it's probably going to be left alone. Still, thank you for pointing it out! -
Can I make a request? by
on 2014-01-25 23:23:00 UTC
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OK, so, it seems like everybody loves the scene where Cadence exorcises Twilight. If one of the artists in the PPC could draw that scene, I would be so happy and eternally grateful and everything. Please?
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Sweet Celestia! by
on 2014-01-25 14:58:00 UTC
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This was AWESOME.
I did notice a few misspellings- unfortunately, the only one that comes to mind is 'faithfull' and that's already been pointed out- but aside from a very small number of those, this was flawless.
I really loved your characterization of Marvin and Printworthy, and how you didn't give Marvin an easy time during his transformation into a pony. Hopefully, he'll get the hang of it soon!
But to be honest... I think what really made my day with this were Rartiy (How in the hoof do you pronounce that? Rare-tee-ye?) as your first mini, and Cadence finishing the exorcism. I really loved that. :3
Good luck with your next mission! Now that you have one mission under your belt, maybe the next one won't take as long to write. ;) -
I'd been pronouncing it RAHR-ti-yeh. by
on 2014-01-25 17:45:00 UTC
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(The capital letters were because of emphasis on the first syllable, but I'd also imagined the second and third syllables flowing together, and I'm not sure how to denote that.)
That could easily be wrong, though. It's just what made sense to me. World-Jumper, can we have an official pronunciation confirmation? -
That pronunciation works, but I used RAR-tee. by
on 2014-01-25 19:13:00 UTC
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Still, I like your way. Say it however you like, she loves the chaotic nature of having mutable pronunciations to her name.
(And yes, Rartiy is female. I decided that more then just mini-Discords, they were mini-Draconequis. As such, due to being named after Rarity, Rartiy would be female. She would just look exactly like a miniature Discord. Don't question how it works.) -
I believe the plural your looking for is "draconequi" by
on 2014-01-25 19:57:00 UTC
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(the "i" already makes it plural; the "s" is superfluous and, frankly, ungrammatical. Don't ask for details unless you want a quick Latin lesson.)
Given the recent thread about naming minis after species instead of characters, it would make sense to refer to MLP minis as mini-draconequi than as mini-Discords.
But then again, there is also the rule that the first person who makes a mission or OFU in the fandom gets to name the mini, so even though your missions can refer to Rartiy as a mini-draconequus (since that is Discord's species (though technically, what he really is is a chimera)), the official name PPC-wide would still be "mini-Discords." -
It's a little of both, really. by
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Mini-Aragogs were considered to be small acromantulas rather than simply little versions of Aragog from the beginning, and they were the second or third mini to be created, so not every character-derived mini has to be the character, just a being with a similar appearance and some similar personality traits, such as a propensity for chaos with the mini-Discords. But the mini-Aragogs are still called mini-Aragogs, because that's what they are and that's what they've been for years.
What I think World-Jumper meant was that he was planning on fleshing out mini-Discords as a mini species capable of more variance than their name would imply, like the mini-Aragogs are. It makes sense, since Discord is a spirit of chaos, after all, and his mini-selves would probably be opposed to acting the same, especially if they already have to look the same. I don't think World-Jumper wanted to change the species name. If he did, he probably wouldn't have called Rartiy a mini-Discord in his mission. -
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I was thinking that they are still called mini-Discords, but can be expanded from just the character they resemble.
Actually, I was thinking if a particular misspelling became popular enough, the mini would start to look like a draconequus version of their namesakes. For example:
Twilit
Pinky
Flutershy
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Actually, in canon... by
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Discord is referred to as a draconequus, so that makes him a draconequus, doesn't it? Even if his design was based off the Chimera, that doesn't make him one. (And besides, the original Chimera was usually depicted as an amalgam of three creatures, not... however many Discord has.)
Also, random thought: In the show, if you're a female pony, you have eyelashes, and if you're male, you don't. Whenever Rarity isn't wearing her fake eyelashes, she's animated as not having any. Make of that what you will. -
I really enjoyed that! by
on 2014-01-25 13:58:00 UTC
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Couple of minor things, though: faithful is spelled thus and occasionally you call the wraiths Sparkle Spectres rather than Shimmer Spectres. Other than that, it's a great fic. Marvin and Printworthy have a lot of chemistry.
Also, I'd like to claim one of the wigs; Wobblevision will shortly start airing MLP:FIM and Wobbles will need to make plushies for the kids. =]
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Thank you! by
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Glad you enjoyed it!
Alright, I'll change those errors. The Spectres are supposed to be Shimmer Spectres, so to not cause confusion with Twilight Sparkle.
Alright, which one do you want? I got a Twilight one, a Celestia one, and I think another Cadence one. I don't know about the Cadence one, as sonofheaven has one, but the other two I'm sure! The Celestia one even moves without wind! -
Twilight one please! by
on 2014-01-26 11:31:00 UTC
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She is the main character, after all. It's just a shame that there aren't any ones for the other Mane 6; then Wobbles could do 'em to order for competition winners or something. =]
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You know... by
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I think Rartiy can make the other five if you want. Hold on, let me ask.
Yeah, she can, but she wants something in return. Um... I don't know, if you give her something when she drops off your Twilight wig, I'm pretty sure she will make you the other five wigs in return! Right, Rartiy? Good draconequus.
Oi! I saw that evil grin! Be nice!
She might not be nice.
(Here, take a story prompt. I'm sure you want it. A spirit of chaos interacting with Wobbles and the Notary? Sounds like an interlude if I ever heard one. Take the prompt if you want, but the Twilight wig is yours!) -
"Oh, ain'tcha cute!" by
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Sure, I'll be along with something for you. You like teddy bears? Just kidding, everybody likes teddy bears. Except the Notary, but I'm currently sewing a plushie filing cabinet for her so it's all good! =oD
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Can I just say something? by
on 2014-01-27 18:24:00 UTC
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I think Wobbles may well be my favorite agent right now. If your characters stay this consistently awesome, I can tell your missions are going to be a treat! Interludes too, if this is confirmation that you'll write one about Rartiy dropping off the Wig-on-a-Stick.
Also, is it wrong that I hear Harley Quin's voice when I read Wobbles' dialogue? Not that I think Wobbles would be as sadistic as Harley, I just hear that voice. I wonder why. Maybe it's because they are both clowns. Sorta. -
I recommend that you never say that to Wobbles. by
on 2014-01-27 19:25:00 UTC
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One of her lust objects is Harleen Quinzel - not, and this is rather important, Harley Quinn. She thinks of Harley and her Mistah J as a perversion of everything clowns are supposed to be.
That said, their voices are kinda similar, so you can keep doing that, I guess. =] -
This was fantastic. by
on 2014-01-25 08:46:00 UTC
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I know literally nothing about MLP, and I still loved this mission so very much. The bits from the perspectives of inanimate objects, especially the RC who just wants peace and quiet, were my favourite parts, I think, because they were both funny and, in the case of the second RC POV, oddly, unexpectedly, poignant. And original. Very original.
The action climax was unexpected but well-executed, and Cadence doing an exorcism was wonderful. All in all, great job, and I wish you luck in future projects.
-Aila -
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I really liked the way this one started. Most first missions either aren't really an Agent's first excursion into the Word Worlds, personal chrononology-wise, or have the supposedly fresh-from-recruitment Agents jump right in, taking to the experience in a strangely natural way. It was nice to see Printworthy being somewhat anxious about his first mission and see Marvin have no idea how to work the console. It felt very genuine.
There seems to have been a consistent name misspelling here. In every official work I've seen, the alicorn known here as "Princess Cadence" was spelled as "Princess Cadance". I noticed the "Cadence" spelling in both the badfic quotes and in the Agents' dialogue; while the instances of the former would simply cause the team's first mini-Discord to fly around and pester people far before Rartiy shows up, the instances of the latter should be fixed, unless the "Cadence" spelling is supported by another official source that I'm just unaware of. Actually, since every time Princess Cadance should appear in the original badfic, the misspelled name is shown instead, under normal circumstances the mini-Discord would either take her place in the story, which is beyond suggestion at this point since it would require too much rewriting and take out some of the mission's best scenes, or follow her around, copying her actions and speech, which isn't used very often in the PPC, but it would stave off the potential problem of rewriting a load of descriptions and would also be funny to watch.
"Printworthy’s quill stopped as he slowly raised his head, watching the once proud Captain of the Royal Guard get reduced into having the vocal capabilities of a foal who had just learned how to speak, only with far less enduringness, and much more mental pain." Is it Printworthy who is experiencing mental pain here, or Shining Armor? The way the sentence is phrased now, it seems to say that Shining Armor is speaking with more mental pain than usual, but that doesn't make a lot of sense for Printworthy to recount, unless he's telepathic. It would make sense if Printworthy's mind was hurting as he watches Shining Armor act in such an undignified manner, but the sentence doesn't imply that. Also, something about the word "enduringness" is rubbing me the wrong way. It's a real word, at least according to Google, but it seems out of place somehow. It might be connected to the same confusion involving the owner of the aforementioned mental pain.
"intently, waiting for the three to use it, waiting to see how the spell works." The tense switches to present from past at the end of the sentence there. It should probably say "would work" instead of "works".
"At some point though the reading, they said nothing slightly different, but whatever it was, it was clearly the right way" I'm just confused on what's being said here. Judging by the sentence directly before it, "The mares began to read once more, silence echoing though the room, building in strength", I think it might have denoted that all of a sudden, the two ponies began to be silent correctly, but that's just odd to me. Is there a wrong way to be silent? As long as no noise is emitted, silence is only affected by the context it exists in, right? I think that's how it works. Is that line paraphrased from a badfic quote? I liked most of your paraphrasings, since they translated the original badfic's ungrammatical mush into coherent actions and descriptions. However, if this was one of them, it might be best to leave it in its original form, because it wouldn't be beyond a badfic to make vaguely baffling claims on the correctness of a silence, so the section would make more sense, in a roundabout way at least.
That climax was awesome, by the way. My favorite parts were the scenes where Cadance was exorcizing Twilight and when the changelings turned against the Hybrids. I liked both scenes for entirely different reasons, and since you put a couple of great tonal shifts in there so that the story cuts between and captures the Agents' attitudes, the emotional responses of the ponies, and the simple, pragmatic malice of the changelings, it doesn't feel like anything was out of place, even though there was so much going on. I'm really looking forward to seeing more from these two! -
Thank you for the responses! by
on 2014-01-25 21:50:00 UTC
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I thought that the first mission should actually be their first mission. Marvin had some training before, and Printworthy was shown some of the ropes by Marvin beforehand, but otherwise, this is their first time actually on the field. The console VS Marvin gag is going to continue, with Marvin continually thinking that he finally has it figured out, and the console proving that he does not. It will just build and build until finally Marvin and the console have a sit-down together and talk out their differences. Or something. I don't know, we'll see what happens.
On Cadence VS Cadance. This is something of a debate that honestly, I'm just going to leave alone. In the credits to the season three opener they spelled it Cadence, as well in some of the books that nobody reads and promotional material for the Royal Wedding. Cadence is also a musical term, as you know, and fits better with the pony name formula. However, in most of the toys and the credits to Equestria Girls, it's spelled Cadance. So, which is the 'canon' spelling? Probably Cadance, but Cadence is so wide-spread and used in canon as well, I'm just going to accept both as canon, so no mini-Discords from either spelling.
What I was trying to say with that sentence is that babies mangled english is endearing, but Shining Armor's is painful to hear. I see what your saying though, and I'll see how to fix that line to make it more clear.
Whoops, my mistake. I'll fix it when I can.
Alright, I'll explain the silence magic. The reason I went with silence magic is because the badfic never said how the spell was cast, only that it was read. So, because there was no information on the nature of the spell, I decided to make it the crashing tones of silence. Then, later, the badfic said, "Twilight agreed as he and Princess Celestia reread the book again and performed the spell once again this time the right way." So, since the spell was merely cast again, only the right way, I had the silence spoken again, only the right way. I may change the 'silence magic,' but I think I'm going to just leave this as it is. I see what you are saying, I just don't know if it's worth it to change it.
Well, thank you. I had a heck of a time thinking of an ending, and Herr Wozzeck gave me the great suggestion of absolute chaos breaking out in the middle of the charge list. I took that idea and ran with it, making it as chaotic and clustered as I could, while still having the story make sense. I think my favorite parts were between Marvin and Cadence, as she finally got to express the grief she had bottled up inside this entire fic, through beating the tar out of Marvin. Plus, I think this was the first instance of a canon character performing an exorcism. Am I correct in saying this? I think I am.
I'm glad you liked it! Hopefully the next one won't take near as long to write! I'll be tackling the worst Gary Stu I have ever seen for the next one, and then... My Little Unicorn.
DUN DUN DUN!
Actually, I might take on My Little Unicorn next, though if I do, I may need some help. This is not a hint for people to start agreeing to help tackle that monstrosity, I'm just thinking ahead. -
KRAK-A-THOOM! by
on 2014-01-26 00:53:00 UTC
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There are three or four My Little Unicorn stories, though. Which one are you going after? Is it one of the ones that takes place in space? Because dropping Marvin and Printworthy in the middle of a space battle between three-horned alicorns would be the cruellest kind of hilarious. (I don't actually know if there are any space battles; I've never read any of the series. I don't doubt that there are, though.)
I'd seen the Season Three credits instance of "Cadence", but I'd just thought it was a typo, since the rest of the material that I'd seen had it spelled "Cadance". If it appears officially in other official media, though, I suppose it can count as apocryphal canon or something. That's fine, then.
Regarding the "silence" lines: I can see what you meant now, but considering that the previous mention of the spell as silence was several pages before, maybe you could just rephrase the disputed section to be a little clearer. Maybe something like "At some point, the rippling of silence slightly changed, differing from the previous soundless spell in a way that, somehow, seemed to be indescribably more correct than the last reading."
Extending from that, maybe the altered version of the disputed Shining Armor description can just be a modified version of that sentence you just used while referring to it, i.e. "reduced into having the vocal capabilities of a foal who had just learned how to speak. However, while a foal's messy language could potentially be considered endearing, Shining Armor's was simply painful to listen to."
Maybe that was my problem with the word "enduringness". Because it was probably supposed to be referring to something as "endearing" rather than "enduring". -
Outhra, I didn't know you were Sound Effects Guy! by
on 2014-01-26 01:56:00 UTC
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Heh, references to MSTs that most boarders have probably never read.
Which My Little Unicorn will I be killing? Eventually? Most of them. I'm going to start with the first one, then move on to Starfleet Magic (which has nothing to do with Star Trek) later. I'll recruit one of the characters, then have him sucked back into the sequel unexpectedly, which sends Marvin and Printworthy back for more Mykan. Yay.
Yeah, I suppose that works for the silence lines. I can't access the doc right now, but I'll change that when I get on to it. Same goes to the Shining Armor one. -
And we seem to have missed each other... by
on 2014-01-25 15:38:00 UTC
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I am waiting for an e-mail from you.
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on 2014-01-25 17:37:00 UTC
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And I'd been waiting on one from you. I thought you said that after Chapter Six was published, you'd send over your plans for the sideplot for me to look over. Hold on, let me check...
Oh. I see it now. I'd missed the sentence where you requested confirmation that the published chapter hadn't introduced any new problems. Let me just read it over again.
Nope, no new issues. The last few detail changes seem to have been hammered out, and I didn't notice any typos or odd phrases, other than the "It looks like our pursuer found a new opponent" that I mentioned in the last e-mail, and on further reflection, Vestals do occasionally talk like that in canon, so it's not really much of an issue.
Sorry about that. One missed sentence cost about a week of progress. I'd been wondering why you hadn't sent anything by now. -
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on 2014-01-25 19:58:00 UTC
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expect an email from me later today.
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I'll take the Cadence wig! by
on 2014-01-25 05:02:00 UTC
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Having worked on that mission, I think I deserve one of those, don't you think?
As for the story itself, you did quite a good job. I like the way that you've dealt with the suggestions that I made, especially the introduction of the term "Shimmer Specter." And congratulate your brother on a job well done; the formatting is just as it should be—with the exception of one word. He missed "definetly"; that should be italicized.
Overall, a very good mission, and I like the A/N that you put at the end. BTW, I believe you meant to say wasted potential, not waited potential.
Hopefully the next mission will not take another year to type. If so, I might have the entirety of Lost Luster up by then!
PS..: A few errors that you might want to fix:
"The Pegasus blinked for a few moments, processing the unicorn’s strange explanation."
"Pegasus" should have a lowercase P there. Microsoft Word AutoCorrects "pegasus" to "Pegasus," so please keep an eye on that in future missions.
"Oh! I see what you did there! Shimmer Specters, that’s an interesting name for them."
"Shimmer Specters" should be enclosed in single quotes.
“No, really, wrap it up! The Changelings are-!”
That should be an em dash at the end there, not a hyphen. If your keyboard has a number pad, the command to input an em dash is ALT + 0151. Otherwise (assuming that you are typing in Microsoft Word), you can use two hyphens. Word will AutoCorrect the two hyphens into an em dash after you finish typing the next word. -
The Cadence wig is yours! by
on 2014-01-25 05:31:00 UTC
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You more then deserve it. I cannot thank you enough for the help you gave in editing this mission. I had a heck of a time seeing some of my errors, so I thank you for taking the time to point out each of them and provide solutions.
I fixed the errors you pointed out. Once you start editing, you just can't stop... I kid, thanks.
Hopefully it won't take another year! I have two fics I have in my sights: one that is long as all heck but wonderful to mock; the other has the worst Gary Stu I have ever seen, but the fic is deleted. I have it saved, but the fact that it's gone... I don't know. We will see. -
As I said when beta-ing the mission... by
on 2014-01-25 03:32:00 UTC
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...so far this has been my favorite first mission from anyone in the PPC. Only this time, it's so much better with the new action climax. It was exactly as chaotic as I imagined such a situation to be, and it was incredible. Of note is the stuff with Marvin and Cadence, which was done beautifully. More of that, please!
But yeah, great first mission! Here's hoping your next one doesn't take a year to publish!
(Also, don't forget to add the mission to the Wiki!) -
You might want to take another look at the doc... by
on 2014-01-25 03:06:00 UTC
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It seems like all the formatting disappeared. I distinctly remember some italics and boldface being in the mission.
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Wait, what? by
on 2014-01-25 03:30:00 UTC
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No, I looked, it was all there. I checked before putting it up on the Board.
Hold on...
No. No way.
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OK, I have schoolwork to do, but my little brother is on it. by
on 2014-01-25 03:48:00 UTC
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He is very kindly changing the formatting to what it is supposed to be. I have no idea what happened, but whatever it was, Google is to blame. It may take some time, so the mission is not exactly as I want it to be seen. It is still readable and understandable, but not the way it was supposed to read.
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Fixed! by
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Thank you so much to my little brother, who took the time to fix the formatting of the mission. Sorry about that guys.
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Newbie by
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What are your fandoms?
Harry Potter
Pokemon
Temeraire
Digimon
Halo
Mass Effect
Naruto
Star Wars
Pirates of the Caribbean
Warhammer 40k
more...
Oh, and I bet everyone is gonna be a bit upset at this one: The Inheritance Cycle
How did you find the PPC?
TV Tropes
What's your favorite spin-off?/Who are your favorite agents?
Agent Kilroy Vincentus, probably others as well.
What else do you do for fun?
Gaming, Roleplaying. -
Hey there! by
on 2014-01-27 12:13:00 UTC
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Welcome to the PPC!
Your not alone in liking the Inheritance Cycle, I really liked the Books as well.
As for your newbie Gift, have this PPC mug of infinite [insert your favorite drink here]! -
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I'm surprised by the number of people who said they liked it.
Can I get that mug with Infinite Bleepkass? -
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Sure you can!
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Great idea, by the way. -
Another Pokemon fan! by
on 2014-01-26 02:45:00 UTC
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Do you have X or Y yet? If so, what did you think about the ending theme? Brought tears to your eyes, didn't it?
*ahem*
Either way, welcome to the PPC! You already got a starter, so I won't give that. Hmmm...
*rummages through Trainer-issue bag of holding*
Here; you can have either a Dratini or a Deino! -
Re: Pokemon by
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Sadly, I haven't done anything past Diamond.
I'll take a Dratini. I'm well on my way to building a full team! -
Heya! =oD by
on 2014-01-25 14:01:00 UTC
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Here, have this Bleeprin-laced custard pie and collapsible unicycle. =]
Also, don't feel bad about enjoying what you enjoy. Your tastes are your own and we're not here to judge them.
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That pie is gonna come in handy. I need something to deal with the memory of reading C*l*br**n.
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Hey by
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Have an urple pencil to write things with... so long as you can write without looking at what you're doing that is.
Anyway. Woah, we share a lot of fandoms, Harry Potter, Pokemon, Halo, Mass Effect, Warhammer 40k... OK maybe not a lot but still, several.
Oh and you RP, High Five!
Storme Hawk
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*high fives back* by
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An urple pencil for my urple notebook. Sounds perfect. Or impossible. Either way, it'll be fun.
It does seem like we have a lot of fandoms in common. That's good. Should keep things interesting. -
*waves* by
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Hello and welcome, one and all!
This post is dedicated to all the newbies I have failed to welcome in the past week, along with Mikelus, so I gave to you all lined Infinite Notebooks, complete with urple covers and wilver binding. Avert your eyes for fear of blinding yourself, and use them carefully!
-Aila -
*waves back* by
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Well, this notebook is gonna be busy, I think. Thanks.
I'll start writing in it right away. With an urple pencil. -
*gasp* Oh my god, another Mass Effect fan! by
on 2014-01-25 03:45:00 UTC
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Sweet, dude! That's awesome! Now me and PoorCynic aren't the only Mass Effect guys around here!
Anyway, welcome to the PPC, dude! We love newbies here, so take your shoes off, leave your sanity at the door, and come on in!
As a welcome gift, I'm going to gift you some music by György Ligeti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIcO8fPspP0 -
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I love how you say that like I was sane before I came in.
The music was awesome, thanks! -
True that, good sir. by
on 2014-01-25 04:35:00 UTC
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Glad you liked the music! Trust me, I've got much more where that came from!
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Hey there! by
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[You've received a Newbie Pack from Spotty!]
Opening...
-1 hoverboard
-15 Ton-Tongue Toffee
-1 leather-bound notebook with quill
Anyhoo, nice to meet you! What's up? -
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I spent about five minutes rereading the 15 Ton-Tongue Toffee and interpreting it in various ways.
Either way, Thank you kindly. -
Heya! by
on 2014-01-25 03:25:00 UTC
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Awesome! Another Potterhead AND Pokemon fan? Here you go! A (mostly) house trained copy of The Monster Book of Monsters and your very own starter Pokemon of your choice!
Don't feel bad about the Inheritance Cycle thing. I used to be a fan, and while I still enjoy reading it, it's more of a guilty pleasure than anything. And besides, some fandoms (Yeesh, my computer tried to autocorrect that to randoms like five times) are really short-staffed.
Gaming? Do you play Dungeons and Dragons, by any chance?
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Thanks for the warm welcome!
I'd be happier about the book if it hadn't already bitten me. Even so, Thanks. And a Chikorita. Suits me just fine.
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Belated newbie greetings to you! by
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Ah, a fellow D&D player! Here, have a silver clockwork horror, straight from the crystal spheres of Spelljammer! A warning, though: they tend to build swarms of other lower-level clockwork horrors if left unattended, so don't let this little guy near anything it can disassemble and rebuild into anything resembling a spider robot.
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Funny. That sounds exactly like my character. (nm) by
on 2014-01-25 11:30:00 UTC
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Tee hee by
on 2014-01-25 03:49:00 UTC
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Man, I'm going to have to have a word with the bookstore attendant. He promised this copy was trained. -_- Chikoritas are adorable, but I prefer Bulbasaur by far.
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Already did, sadly enough. He survived, but the lack of healing surges is gonna kill him this session, followed by the rest of us.
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Squishy Wizards by
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My younger brother plays our party's Rogue and he's such a power gamer that his character has more hit points and healing surges than our Warlord. (There are only three of us plus the DM, so our Warlord has been trying to build himself like a tank. If my brother didn't spend hours maxing out his character, our tank would actually be able to, you know, do his job.)
I'm the liability in our group. My Wizard's Constitution score is 8, so she actually has FIVE healing surges instead of six+ like most Wizards would. If you don't mind me giving a tip: focus your damage on one or two more threatening enemies at a time and let the party's controller wipe out the minions. Focusing damage instead of spreading it around will take out monsters faster and leave fewer that can hit you. It really works- my group got pitted against fifteen Orc minions and five... berserkers, I think... plus their pet Owlbear. The only one who took any damage that battle was the Rogue because he had the brilliant idea to perform in the Owlbear Rodeo. -
Squishy Wizards and Sorcerers by
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Thanks for the advice, but as a Sorcerer, my spells are meant to spread the pain around. Everything I have is a close blast, so I practically hug the enemy to death (with fire and lightning, of course).
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Since you're a Sorcerer, you would focus on taking out the minions while the rest of your group ganged up on the nastier foes. Also, I suggest you keep an eye out for some Shimmering Armor (Adventurer's Vault 1). It basically negates the opportunity attacks that you provoke when you used a ranged attack when next to an enemy. Very handy for someone who specializes in ranged attacks but frequently finds themselves surrounded.
Um, sorry if I sound pushy... I'm just trying to be helpful. Feel free to tell me off if I offend you.
That would be pretty cool to drag in a D&D character for an agent. Randa and I are basically just doing the self-insert gig. :P -
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That armor sounds useful and saves me a feat. Thanks for the advice!
And you're not being pushy. You're giving helpful advice and criticism.
I thought about doing the self-insert gig, but then realized that I'd make a terrible agent. A character of mine could probably stand the crazy a bit better.
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Fandoms & Fanfics by
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Hey!
So, I've seen some Dungeons & Dragons players around recently, and I had yet another of my ideas that will probably never work.
Ah well.
Anyway, I was thinking that we could create a D&D geared towards the PPC. Like, instead of dragons and bugbears, we could have Mary Sues and other creatures in badfic. And instead of the character classes, we could just have different types of Agents. And, you know, modify the character sheets. A campaign could center around a specific fandom, and a big event happening in it. I don't know.
The name I came up with was Fandoms & Fanfics, or F&F, but I'm open to suggestions.
If this actually worked, we could all pitch in to make 'monster' sheets and such.
So, feedback?
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I actually tried to do this a few years back. by
on 2014-01-27 14:54:00 UTC
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Here's the fossilized remains of said attempt. I was working in 3.5.
In the process, I actually came to the conclusion that D&D isn't the best system for a PPC RPG, which, IMO, should ideally be driven by character traits, not a block of stats. In my experience, D&D tends to skew itself toward combat—this is where the rules most reward the PCs with XP and treasure—and that's usually the last thing any PPC agent wants. Something like Shadowrun or World of Darkness might be a little easier to work with.
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on 2014-01-28 22:24:00 UTC
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There's some very cool stuff in there, I like how you've managed to capture the spirit of the PPC with the game mechanics. The 'Insanity' class feature and associated Feats look like they'd work really well (and that 'Magpie' Feat is just hilarious - more RPGs should that option).
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Other options by
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GURPS might work. It is the system that they use in the Discworld RPG, after all. I used a seriously simplified version for my own Discworld game, and such a system would be perfect for the PPC. You can really focus on role-playing.
Another choice, which would give greater diversity to your agents, might be BESM (Big Eyes, Small Mouth). Since it was designed to encompass all varieties of anime, you might have a Magical Girl and an Android Battle-Maid working together. Or a Tech Genius and a Ninja. Or a Detective and a Sentai team member (think Power Rangers). All of these combinations, and more, are possible.
Because of the broad range of anime, you can have high magic and high tech in the same game, which I think is important for the PPC.
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Knowing how easy Savage Worlds is to modify because of Savage Worlds of MLP, you might want to take a look at that system. Just a suggestion.
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On a related note... by
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My PPC Card Game is a thing that exists, and while nothing like D&D, is still in the same general area (the roleplaying is not explicit, but really - can you not mentally write stories to go with your actions?). It's always looking for people to play(test) it, too, since I keep on changing the rules...
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Hurm. by
on 2014-01-26 22:44:00 UTC
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Where can I find the rules? Are they complicated? What did you do with that flux capacitor? What is the purpose of the goggles?
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The rules... by
on 2014-01-27 07:38:00 UTC
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... are the last link on the page (where it says 'Rules -- Fifth Generation', oddly enough ;)). Are they complicated? Well... they fit on a single (two-sided) sheet of paper, so there's that. Whether they're actually complicated is open to debate.
The goggles, of course, are... for science!
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If you want a hand with Gen. VI, I'm game. =] (nm) by
on 2014-01-26 17:24:00 UTC
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Interesting. by
on 2014-01-25 19:50:00 UTC
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I'm not one of those D&D players you mentioned, but this idea has potential. I support it.
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F&F by
on 2014-01-25 15:48:00 UTC
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It might not be the easiest task, but it sounds like a lot of fun.
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That sounds pretty cool! by
on 2014-01-25 15:08:00 UTC
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There could be different versions of Sues (Godmode Sues as the toughest, Possession Sues as the least difficult) and one of the various hazards could be plot holes that the characters would sometimes accidentally fall into...
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Well, at least someone likes it. (nm) by
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Good fanfic for bad fandoms by
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We know they're out there- the fandoms that are so bad, there's a shortage of agents to kill the resulting badfics.
BUT.
What if you found a fanfic for a series like, say, Twilight, that was well-written, populated with interesting, realistic characters, and would have made for a much better story than the original work?
I'm not saying I would become a fan of the original work, but I'd definitely read the heck out of a rewrite of Twilight that didn't involve... um... lots of things.
Have any of you ever found anything like that? I've been keeping an eye out, but most works I've seen make me throw up in my mouth a little. -
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I read a fic in D-Gray Man fandom that I'll never forget. Actually the pairing that it listed was one of those juggernaut "hawt" yaoi pairings that fangirls shit their pants over. That said I was half expecting (okay...completely expecting) to find the usual half-arsed attempts at proper grammar, no appreciation for the cannon context, gross woobification of male characters yada yada yada.
It's been five years since I've read that fic and I'm still wiping off the leftover pieces of egg off my face because holly shit was I wrong... -
Plant excrement aside, by
on 2014-02-01 00:39:00 UTC
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You'll need to watch your language on the Board. I can't find an official rule in the Constitution about it, but it's really not polite to swear.
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I have one by
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Back when I read Inheritance Cycle fanfic (yes, you all can laugh at me now), someone wrote their version of book four. It turned out to be rather good, and in my opinion was better than canon.
I just wish I could remember what happened in it. Anyways, the author wrote too much for one book and split it into two. Unfortunately, they gave up half way through the sequel. Here's a link.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4585314/1/
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Hmm. by
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I don't know about actually written Twilight reduces, but someone I know was planning a completely ridiculous one. I don't know if she's still planning on doing it, so I'll ask her.
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I can help! by
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If you want Twilight to be smarter, and heaven knows how you'd make it dumber, then Luminosity, by Alicorn may just be for you. I certainly enjoyed it, and my views on Twilight are more commonly possessed by the characters of Fahrenheit 451.
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Ironic overpower.
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WOW! Awesome, thanks! (nm) by
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Anyone out there a fan of obscure sci-fi series? by
on 2014-01-25 19:23:00 UTC
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If you are, please say which one. There are plenty of obscure series out there that are actually awesome, and I'd like to see some.
I am a fan of an old series called Bolo, about giant, sentient super tanks, for starters. Anyone else? First post gets nms and nms! -
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I like sci-fi TV shows. Including Sanctuary, Haven (my current fad), Warehouse 13, and Stargate (okay, so not tiny, but getting to be a while since it was on the air). I am sure there are more that I am not thinking of at the moment
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How obscure is the series Quantum Leap? Most sci fi fans have forgotten this great series. Its very good though.
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I remember that from when I was a kid. (nm) by
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Sci Fi Channel had a great show back when I was younger. (nm) by
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Blast it. It was called "The Chronicle." by
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It was semi-similar to Sanctuary, except that the paranormal investigators used a nonsensical tabloid magazine as the front for their behavior. It was loads of fun, and the topics it covered had a good range: aliens, ghosts, demons, time travel, all kinds of stuff. I was fairly upset when it got cancelled.
Bad quality recording of the first episode starts here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfOd7cpknGM
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Might not be as obscure as the others, but it's good
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It might be less obscure than the others, but... by
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I'm a huge fan of the BBC series Hyperdrive. It's kind of a spiritual successor to Red Dwarf, it's got Nick Frost (of "starring Simon Pegg and" fame) at the conn, it mercilessly takes the mickey out of TOS-era Trek... what's not to like?
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Oh, and The Clangers. I love The Clangers. (nm) by
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I'm not sure if it's all that obscure, but... by
on 2014-01-26 08:54:00 UTC
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I really love the Brainship series by Anne McCaffery. I think that was the first actual sci-fi series I got into.
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Love this one as well (nm) by
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Obsure sci-fi? I have some by
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I'm a fan of Neal Stephenson's work, especially Anathem (I actually have an Anathem-verse agent kicking around, whose first mission is nowhere near done). I'm also a fan of C. J. Cherryh's Chanur Saga, which is quite obscure.
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The Retief short stories are fun.
The Lensman series, though I don't know if those really count as "obscure".
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Another one ... by
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... because I was posting from work last night, right before closing (and needed to get out of there right away).
It's closer to a mystery/urban fantasy crossover than SF, but I really like the Lord Darcy stories by Randall Garrett. (I haven't read any of the continuations by other authors.) It's an alternate history with two major changes from our world; Richard the Lionheart survived to become a good king, and the laws of magic were codified in the middle ages. Lord Darcy is the chief investigator for the Duke of Normandy, assisted by a forensic sorcerer. -
Did someone say obscure sci-fi? by
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I always recommend Iain M. Banks' The Culture series, which is so obscure it only has two 'fics in the Pit (both are meh crossovers, by the way). It's an awesome series and the books are surprisingly deep for sci-fi, though some of them are really depressing. Oh, and the last one's pretty bad.
Other than that... I read an obscure sci-fi novel called The Forge of Mars by one Bruce Balfour some years ago and quite enjoyed it. -
Yup by
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I've heard of Bolo, but haven't got around to checking it out yet. What's it like? Other than involving giant sentient tanks, which sounds pretty damn cool to me.
On the subject of the more obscure stuff that I have read:
Joe Haldeman's The Forever War.
James Blish's Cities in Flight.
Fred Saberhagen's Berserker series.
Chris Bunch's Star Risk series.
Chris Bunch and Alan Cole's Sten series.
The JAG in space, Lost Stars and Stark's War series by Jack Campbell.
Pretty much anything by Robert A. Heinlein, although Starship Troopers is a personal favourite.
And finally, David Weber's awesome Honor Harrignton series, which I think is probably the widest known of this bunch, presumably making it either the most mainstream obscure series I read, or the most obscure mainstream series.
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Bolo is pretty cool, yes. by
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Man designs giant, sentient tanks called Bolos. Bolos are so huge and powerful, they can snipe spaceships out of orbit and are used as planetary siege units. :)
Most of the stories have tragic endings, but they are drop-dead awesome nonetheless. I mean… well… you'd have to read the books to understand. So do so. -
Indeed it is! by
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I managed to find some short stories on the Baen Free Library, my favourite so far is 'Field Test' - I love the explanation that "Denny" gives for its/his behaviour at the end.
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I think you'll enjoy Nike and Shiva. :) (nm) by
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Xanth? by
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Well, I really like a series by Piers Anthony... I don't think the series itself has an official name; I just call it the Xanth Chronicles. I know it used to be fairly popular a few decades ago, but it's pretty much faded out, which is sad. The pun overloads are the best.
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I love Xanth! (nm) by
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Re: Anyone out there a fan of obscure sci-fi series? by
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Retief, The Instrumentality of Man... I collect old sci-fi magazines.
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Does obscure fantasy count? by
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Because that would be me over here. I'm a vague part of so many random tiny fandoms I can't list them all.
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Well, I guess it could count. Go ahead! (nm) by
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Hmmm by
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One of my favorite authors at the moment is Brandon Sanderson, I think I've read just about every series he's written and liked them.
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Oh, you read Sanderson too? Awesome. Now for my barrage of questions.
How did you like Elantris, if you read it.
How did you like Mistborn?
What about the Alcatraz series? That one was pretty good.
And did you like Warbreaker?
Did you find the Rithmatist to be any good?
How about Steelheart?
Did you like the Way of Kings?
Have you read any of his short stories?
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Yes I've read Elantris, thought it was good.
Mistborn's probably my least favorite of his books, I don't really know why though, it's weird I just don't like it as much.
No I haven't read Alcatraz although I'll try and get it if I can.
Warbreaker's probably my favorite of his books, the twists and turns in it, brilliant. Also loved the magic system he created.
Wow Ok, that's another of his books I haven't read.
Yeah, I like it.
Yes, eagerly waiting for the next book to come out so I can read it, liking the plot twists so far.
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Warbreaker is probably my favorite of his books. All the characters were great, especially Lightsong. It was also awesome how it was able to take color changing hair, which is normally a Sue characteristic and turn in into a display of character development. Awakening was also a great magic system, and he managed to show how such a system would create superstition.
As for his short stories, I recommend I Hate Dragons. The main character has two 'knacks': he smells good to dragons; and he can hear spelling, punctuation, and grammar. Both of these annoy him. I'll link below.
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Yes, Brandon Sanderson is brilliant. by
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And did you know that the skipping to the end of books to read the ending is the second leading cause of cancer in fruit bats? The first leading cause is Brandon Sanderson.
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If that's the case... by
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I really enjoy the Garrett, P.I. books. It's about the cases of a hardboiled detective living in a city in a fantasy reality, encountering the fantasy standards like gods and wizards, and a few less-than-usual features like a psychic ghost haunting its own body, but focuses on using the fantasy elements to tell its detective stories instead of it just being one genre with elements of the other running about in the background. Not every book has been great, but most of them were a lot of fun. The same author's also made a few other series, but I've only read his space opera one all the way through. It contained intangible space sharks and a race of people that comb the galaxy for free-floating FTL communication crystals with the help of giant psychic starfish, though, so I'm glad I spent the time.
Also, if fantasy Internet works also count, I've liked all of the Overside webcomics I've read so far. I've not caught up with Vattu, but I'm planning on dedicating a few hours to it in the near future. I always enjoy the Overside comics more when I have time to look through several dozen pages in one sitting. -
Well... by
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One of my favourite authors is Susan Cooper, and not just for The Dark Is Rising, which is perhaps her best-known work. King of Shadows made me cry, Seaward is just... beautiful, and so on. And her stuff is just the beginning. I have read an absurd amount of books in the past threeish years, and most of them have been fantasy. Robin McKinley's worldbuilding is fantastic.
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Newbie Here by
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So, I guess I'm currently the newest Boarder. I've been lurking for a few days, so I'm passingly familiar with some of the lingo.
My fandoms are:
Harry Potter
Worm
Tower of God
Mistborn
Star Wars
Mass Effect
Bartimaeus
Dresden Files
H2G2
More that I can't remember right now.
Fandoms I can tolerate:
Inheritance Cycle (Used to be a fan, now I'm not. I don't see it as bad so much as not really worth the time it takes to read.)
I'm aware of just how bad C*l*br**n is. Don't try to link me to it or the other bleepfics. My Immortal is always good for a laugh, though.
As for how I found this place, I can't really remember. I think I was reading some Sue Slayer fics on the Pit and stumbled across some of these about a year ago. After I finished those I mostly forgot about it. A few days ago I stumbled across a link to the wiki, and a few days later decided to start posting.
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Hi, sorry I'm late. Have some fudge!
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Thanks for the fudge, I'll eat it when I get the chance
And yeah, H2G2 is Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Sorry if you were confused. -
Hello! by
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Welcome to the PPC. You've answered two of my usual questions (How did you hear about the PPC? What are your fandoms?), so I'll ask the remaining ones: Have you read the Constitution and the Original Series? The links are at the top of the Board webpage.
As for your newbie gift...
*rummages through bag of holding*
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Hello back!
I've read the Constitution and the Original series, but I'm rereading the latter since I last read it a year ago.
And I gladly accept the lightsaber and ask if these come in Blello as well. Should I take a lightsaber safety course to make sure I don't amputate any of my limbs? -
In order: yes and definitely yes (nm) by
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Lightsaber safety course, you say? by
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You should watch the lightsaber training video referenced in the Original Series.
And yes, lightsabers could conceivably come in blello, if you change out the crystal, but keep in mind that you'll need to look at the blade at some point while you're swinging it, or else you might end up missing your target and slicing open walls or accidentally chopping off your own limbs. Sue colors aren't exactly the most subtle and easy-to-view. -
Where, pray tell, would you find a blello lightsaber? :P (nm) by
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*lightsaber crystal (nm) by
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Well, you might be able to -make- one in a lab. by
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Colours in gemstones - a category that I'm pretty sure includes ilum crystals - are simply chemical impurities that got into the stone. The ruby, for instance, is only red because some chromium got in there. Since the construction of artificial diamonds and other precious stones is commonplace even today (industrial diamonds are admittedly not gem-quality, but w/e.), it is not that big of an ask for the boffins at DoSAT to synthesise an ilum crystal containing the particular chemical impurities to render the beam blello.
Why you'd want to, of course, is a different matter. =]
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Thank you for the instructional video. Amputation of limbs is painful, intentional or not.
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Should have said "remaining one" there... (nm) by
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Hi there! by
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Nice to meet you! Please accept my gifts of a potato cannon, a basket of potatoes, and and Official Fanfiction University of Doctor Who sweatshirt.
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Nice to meet you too! That potato cannon looks to be rather fun to mess around with.
And what's this? An OFUDW sweatshirt? Neat, maybe I'll head over there sometime soon. If I can find it, that is. -
First plover! (nm) by
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*glomps* by
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Hey, hi, hello! Always nice to see a new face- so to speak. I've only been on for a few days, but it sure feels like forever!
It's dangerous to go alone. Take this. *offers a sterling silver spork*
I love how so many people on here are Potterheads! It's the best! Some of the most memorable badfics spawned from the fandom, too. You say you've read My Immortal? If you think that's funny, you should try imma wiserd. Be warned, though- there is some pretty bad racism stuff in there.
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I notice the spork you have offered me and I accept it gladly.
I have read imma wiserd. The racism does get kind of tedious to get through, but there are some memorably funny things. If I remember the scene correctly, the one with Voldemort, Darth Vader, and Hitler having an Evil Person Meeting where they eat babies is just to ridiculous to take seriously.
I have a high tolerance for stuff that's NSFB, but I try to avoid NSFW heavy things. So, things like My Immortal are safe, things like C*l*br**n are not.
Anyways, since you seem to be a few days newer than me and have given me a spork, I shall give you a tri-colored pen. It contains the colors urple, wilver, and blello. Try not to stare at the writing. -
Awesomesauce. by
on 2014-01-25 20:55:00 UTC
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I can remember one time when my brother and I teamed up against our mom and grandmother to play Taboo. The word was 'fried chicken', so I just said, "'Fried chiken' i sed and den dere was sum." He got it right away and totally confused mom and grandma in the process.
Of course, it's also hard to forget the bromstiks and Jewish!Snape chasing after the dollar on the string.
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Wouldn't that have gone against the rules? by
on 2014-01-25 21:50:00 UTC
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I've not played Taboo much, but isn't the point of the game not to say the word or phrase that you are trying to make the other players guess? If your clue for "fried chicken" is pronounced exactly like "fried chicken", someone would call you on that. I can't recall what the game uses to track who's winning, though, so I don't know if points would be deducted, but there is probably some sort of penalty.
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Derp by
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My brain is just not working. Instead of 'fried ckiken' I said 'blank blank'. This is what happens when I try to type after staying up until one in the morning. -_-
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*waves* by
on 2014-01-25 19:55:00 UTC
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Hello and welcome!
I hereby give to you a lined Infinite Notebook, featuring urple covers and wilver binding. Don't look at it straight on.
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Re: *waves* by
on 2014-01-25 19:59:00 UTC
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Why thank you! I must say, the cover is certainly nausea inducing. I'll make sure to avoid looking straight at it
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Rite of Passage by
on 2014-01-26 00:36:00 UTC
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I heard it was a rite of passage among PPCers to read the Legendary badfic "C*l*br**n". So I'm gonna give it a shot.
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So how bad are we talking? by
on 2014-01-31 05:55:00 UTC
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I've read my fair share of nasty fic (including My Immortal, which actually reads more like a bad science experiment gone wrong than an actual piece of fiction)but from the way you guys are talking, it sounds traumatic.
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Let me put it this way: by
on 2014-01-31 10:24:00 UTC
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For a long time, Clbr__n was known as 'THE badfic' (actually, I think the phrase 'teh bad fic' was in use). Part of the problem is just that it's very, very long - and never strays within spitting distance of canon, or even biological plausibility. The other part is that it's just very bad smut.
It killed my main agent when I took it on, and nearly killed me when I tried to MST it (I never finished). Just... don't bother reading it. Seriously.
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He did come right back, though. :P by
on 2014-01-31 16:24:00 UTC
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Yeah though, the thing about most Legendaries is once you get past the horrific things they do to canon, they're usually bogged down with myriad other problems that make reading them just not worth the effort.
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Oh no... by
on 2014-01-29 23:13:00 UTC
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You poor, poor thing. You don't have to do that. You could easily haze yourself by reading The Eye of Argon or My Immortal or any other legendary but moderately safe for brain badfic...
http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Legendary_Badfic
From the wiki:
"Newbies be warned: Reading any Legendary Badfic that was linked to you by another Boarder in your introduction post, especially "Celebrian," is Bad. Do not do it, because they should not have provided it to you in the first place. This is possibly your only warning. Also, reading the plot summary on its wiki page likely counts. Don't do it."
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Now that I read the rest of the comments... by
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Too late?
*Passes Bleepka, because after Legendary Badfic everyone is of age.* -
Someone has been feeding you lies. by
on 2014-01-26 01:35:00 UTC
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The only thing that might be considered a rite of passage around here would be reading the Original Series.
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I somewhat mistyped there. I meant to say that I had read it was something of a rite of passage.
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A few chapters in now. Honestly, for a legendary badfic, the main difficulty I'm having with it is a rather acute sense of boredom. It's terrible, but I've read worse.
Nevermind. This fic was sporked, right? Because it needs one. -
Finished by
on 2014-01-26 01:54:00 UTC
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That monster is finished. I think I need a few bottles of Bleepto-Dismal. I already went through my supply.
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It was dealt with by Agents Dafydd and Constance, if that's what you mean.
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Oh...I wouldn't recommend that. You don't have to read it... (nm by
on 2014-01-26 01:14:00 UTC
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Just Don't by
on 2014-01-26 01:08:00 UTC
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Do not read it. Really. Just don't. It's a legendary badfic for a reason.
If you're really intent on it, pack some bleeprin if you can get your hands on it. Lots of it. If you can't, brain bleach and Aspirin will help.
And good luck if you really are reading it. You'll need it. -
I really, really don't recommend that. (nm) by
on 2014-01-26 01:08:00 UTC
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more agent stuff by
on 2014-01-26 01:55:00 UTC
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mostly about my sis's agent, to specify she has two ideas an attack on titan agent or a magical girl agent and the problem is that o-so very simple one, which one should we do.
With the magical girl agent she used a random generator to get the description (body and powers mostly) but she doesn't have a fanfic or anything to describe the world her agent came from (at the moment at lest).
The attack on titan agent, is just a girl from the continuum she has the gear, the swords, and is possibly a titan shifter (my idea) but we are unsure if we want to do that part.
So state your opinions and give us some help, its always appreciated. Also (just so everyone isn't completely confused) Linda, Dean, and this girl meet up AT the PPC (the girl arrives at the PPC first then Linda and Dean meet her, become friends/teammates, do missions together, and so on and so forth.)
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There's always a third option. by
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Which is use both. I mean I originally came up with Apollo (who is an OC from a scrapped version of my original writing/story thing), then came up with Kelly to support him. I also had at that point the idea for an Agent from a lesser-played video game called Spiral Knights, and was struggling to work out which one to use. As it is I'm using Kelly, but Storme (the Spiral Knight) will probably be appearing in a couple of months time once I've finished tweaking his partners backstory.
Basically I'd say work on the whole character for each one, work out which would work best with Linda and Dean, and go from there, then a small while down the line one of the trio could always get transferred to work with a newbie, who is the other idea. If you get what I mean
hope that may help
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All right, let's see... by
on 2014-01-26 02:26:00 UTC
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It's not unheard of for original characters coming from actual unpublished fiction to unexpectedly drop in the PPC and hang around-- Agent Miah Arthur is an example of this. Besides, a plothole dragging an OC into HQ doesn't need to be explained: that is the very nature of plotholes themselves.
The SNK agent sounds cool, but I'd recommend to drop the shifter idea if she's going to kill badfic. That's getting dangerously close to Speshul, because it's both a rare power (we still don't understand how Shifters work) and a complete game breaker for PPC missions. Besides, where are you going to use those powers? Most 'verses don't have people randomly shift into Titans.
Or you could have her go into External Security... Things get pretty hairy when defending HQ from extradimensional threats, so I'd love to see how that plays out...
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thanks :) by
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so I think i'll go with the magical girl, mostly because I now for sure that she doesn't need established continuum and out the two of them she has a name, Tabitha.
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Continuity Council: The Squabbling Continues by
on 2014-01-26 02:03:00 UTC
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You wouldn't expect a Time Lord organization to stay down from something as simple as a thread being pushed from its place, would you? Well, that's not going to happen again for a while. The threads on the Other Board hardly ever move!
A summary in case you need to be refreshed or you didn't read the original thread: the PPC's Time Lord Agents have formed a Continuity Council, which was designed ostensibly to watch over canon and keep it stable, but in practice seems largely concerned with bickering between its members. Several Boarders decided after the Council had been formed to write minutes on some of the Council's meetings, which continued until the thread was pushed off of the front page. So, I decided to move copies of the original scripts to the Other Board so that people could keep working on them if they wanted to. I wouldn't want the fun to stop just because the original thread is out of most peoples' way! I'm only including the sequence dealing with the aforementioned Council meetings, though, because it was both the section that was left unfinished and the section that the Boarders seemed to most enjoy working on.
Huinesoron has compiled the original thread's in-character sections, including the scripts, into this Google Docs page, which I'm adding here as an additional reference. I wanted to put in all of the scripts here in their initial form, though, both to keep the natural progression going and to keep the individual sections distinct while we're still in the process of finishing the story. -
When I get my tablet back from my cousin, by
on 2014-01-26 02:06:00 UTC
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I'll draw this.
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That'll be -amazing!- by
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Also, everyone on the council needs to get on a Google Doc and put together the minutes to a meeting, or rather the documents concerning their constant arguments, complaints, shouting, and so on.
Iunno, I just like the whole "Not So Omniscient Council Of Bickering" thing. Maybe it's because I have relatives who work in local government... -
On a related note... by
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First of all, that would be hilarious.
And secondly, well, in case anyone ever wanted to watch a Time Lord freak out about Councils? That's pretty much what the Reader's ended up doing. (Imayhavewrittentheintrotoamission)
Council of Bickering...I like this. Add to the mix that at least one member is constantly on the lookout for similarities to Rassilon's Time War era beliefs, and, well...
Reader: /suspiciously/ That sounds rather a lot like the Lord President, did you know him?
Morgan: Oh, not this again.
Disentangler: Well, she does have a point--we don't want to follow in his footsteps--
Fisherman: If I may point out--I mean, this doesn't actually sound like Rassi--
Reader: /accusingly, to Morgan/ You told me this Continuity Council would not go the way of the High Council, you promised--
Notary: Well, this is all very...charming. Could we maybe get back on topic, or is that something you've all abandoned?
Morgan: Oh, don't you start. This isn't--
Agent: Maybe we should all calm down? No? Alright, I'll just...stay here, then.
Reader: Next thing you know we'll be trying to ascend!
Morgan: This isn't the High Council of Gallifrey!
/and chaos./
...that was fun...
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I may or may not have just coated my laptop in coffee. by
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Well played.
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Notary [clearly relishing the infighting a little bit]: A-hem. If it please the Council, I have composed a short preliminary constitution for our dealings. Item one: The Continuity Council of Gallifrey-in-Exile (hereafter referred to as the Council or Continuity Council) stands for the...
[QUITE A WHILE LATER]
Notary [smug as a well-fed cat with a secret it's about to sell to the press]: ... and furthermore, to clarify our position as guardians of Gallifreyan heritage in a changing, chaotic multiverse. Any questions?
Reader: ... is it over?
Disentangler: How is it possible for a single person to contain that much legalese?
Morgan: Do you just not need to breathe or something? How can you exist without breathing?
Notary: I was primarily concerned with your comprehension of the preliminary constitution, but if you wish to behave like the gang of slovenly renegades you are, perhaps I need to express myself more clearly-
Disentangler: Morgan, you've set her off again!
Fisherman [jamming his fingers in his ears and burrowing under the table]: If I can't hear it, it's not really happening, if I can't hear it, it's not really happening...
Morgan: Ugh. Notary. For the love of... whatever you hold dear, I don't know, well-organized filing systems or something, just shut up. Please.
Notary: Why, of all the - I've never been so insulted!
Morgan: Only 'cause you weren't paying attention, now shut. Up.
Notary: Feh. I don't know why I expected better from you and the rest of these exiled miscegenators. Oh, if only Rassilon could see what his people are reduced to-
Reader: Yeah, sure! If Rassilon was here, everything'd be A-okay! Just so long as we, you know, tried to destroy the universe and all of reality! Oh, and behaved like good little thought-slaves, can't forget that!
Notary: Our Lord President was doing what he thought best for the Time Lords and for Gallifrey, as was his right-
Reader: His RIGHT? Morgan, where didja dig this one up, I want it carpet bombed-
Morgan [screaming herself hoarse]: ENOUGH!
[The room falls silent.]
Morgan [much quieter now]: Enough. Especially you, Notary. Just sit down. This isn't going to be like the High Council. Nobody here is Rassilon. Nobody here is above another. We are just trying to do what's right for Gallifrey and for the plot of our home. Remember that? Good. Now then... thank you for your proposals, Spinel Promotor, I'll bear them in mind when we draft our constitution. All of us. Together. All in favour?
[Everyone raises their hands, even the Notary, albeit with a hint of bad grace about it.]
Morgan: Good. Now. Who's got something to talk about who isn't the Notary do I have to duct-tape your mouth shut or something?
Notary: Are your particular preferences really suitable for airing at a solemn gather-
Morgan: AUGH!
Reader: I've got something to say.
Morgan: Alright, you have the floor. [to herself] Deep breaths, Morgan, deep breaths...
Reader: Are you sure there's nobody above another in this room? Because you seem to be railroading us quite a bit, and that's how it all started-
[Morgan's collar switches off as her head bounces repeatedly off the table.]
Fisherman: ... Uh, Morgan? Can I come out now?
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This whole thing is brilliant by
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Hopefully I can keep up to the standard!
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Morgan: Yes, you can come out now.
Fisherman: [Getting up from under the table and deploying his collar] Good! Can we make some sense now?
Notary: You're one to talk about making sense.
Agent: Didn't you use a rubber chicken to stabilise a dysfunctional reality?
Fisherman: Didn't you use Avada Kedavra on the spirit of a building? Or was that the Disentangler, I forget...
Disentangler: Actually, I just hit it with a book.
Morgan: Wait... a rubber chicken? What?
Librarian: Was it nice under the table? I think I'll take a break there.
Fisherman: Not bad. Bit cramped, but what do you expect.
Notary: Why are we here? We've established that we're not here to ascend to a higher plane of existence, and that's it. I proposed a sensible set of constitutional articles, can we at least pretend to discuss them?
Morgan: No. Next item of business?
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You can and you are. I'm grinning like a loon. =oD by
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I wonder what'd happen if the Doctor happened upon this meeting?
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Agent: Uh, yeah, I've got something. I mean, something actually productive.
Morgan: Thank every god within shouting distance. Whatcha got?
Notary: Castellan, the correct form of address is-
Morgan [with a smile... or at least showing her teeth, which counts, right?]: Item the second: motion to use Council petty cash fund for electrical tape to shut the Notary up. All in favour?
[Hands fly into the air like VTOL fighters.]
Morgan: Aaaaand the motion is passed via majority vote.
Notary [muttering]: This is going in the blasted minutes, y'jumped-up trigger-happy renegade...
Morgan: Okay. Agent, continue where ya left off. [with a snide glance at the Notary] Whatcha got?
Agent [ignoring the Notary's rolled eyes]: Well, uh, you said part of my brief's other media, right? So, with the Night Of The Doctor prequel making Big Finish's Eighth Doctor adventures canon... do I have to listen to all of them, or is that the Disentangler's wheelhouse?
Morgan: ... Huh. That's actually a good point. Err'body?
Disentangler [pretty much instantly]: He can do it.
Agent: Hey!
Fisherman: I'm not sure. I mean, my first instinct would be it's the Agent's job, but...
Librarian: I mean, from what I understand of all this I guess it'd technically be the Agent's job?
Morgan: Oh, for the love of all that's holy, don't bring up technicalities around that one. [She jabs a thumb at the Notary, who grumbles to herself]
Notary: I beg your pardon?
Disentangler: Hey, d'you reckon if you say "Incorrectly Completed Tax Return" three times in front of a bathroom mirror with the lights off, the Notary'll appear behind you?
Notary: Tigereye Castellan, I really must protest! This is entirely unnecessary-
Morgan: Nuh-uh. That legal mumbo-jumbo that came outta your face like a busted dam, that was unnecessary. Calling us exiles like we were war criminals or something was unnecessary. This? Entirely justified. The council does not recognise your complaints.
Notary: Well! [She sits back down heavily and harrumphs in peace]
Reader: Why did we let her in again?
Morgan: Because everyone else here hates paperwork, and I think she gets high from folder fumes. Getting back to the topic at hand, though... we should vote. Those in favour of giving the audio drama adventures to the Sapphire Watcher rather than the Amethyst Keeper?
[Three hands raise]
Morgan: And those against?
[Four hands raise, including Morgan's]
Morgan: Motion is passed. Hey, look, we did something, guys! We actually made a decision! Was that so hard?
[The Notary motions to speak, but thinks better of it.]
Morgan: And the Notary's learning too. This might not be so bad after all!
Reader: That patronising attitude... that's where it all began, you know-
Fisherman: Didn't you say it was railroading people that was where it all started?
Reader: What, you want to go back to how Lord President Rassilon would've run it?
Notary: Is there something wrong with that? The Lord President was a charismatic leader in a time of incredible conflict!
Reader: Yeah, you side with the lunatic monomaniac, Notary! Go you! There's a gold star over there!
Morgan [resignedly]: ... Then again, it might not be worth it in the slightest.
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Suddenly, a Dalek interrupts! by
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(Not to shoot at the Councillors, of course. Humanized Daleks are more civil than that. Instead, the Continuity Council room's door flies open, and a single Strategist Dalek rolls fervently through to confront the assembled Time Lords.)
Fearn: HALT! HALT! WHAT IS THE MEAN-ING OF THIS TRANS-GRESS-ION!
Agent: What? Who let a bloody Dalek over here? And more importantly, who let a Dalek know where we were?
Fearn: FOOL-ISH TIME LORDS! IF YOU DID NOT WISH TO BE-COME VICTIM TO THE WON-DROUS TRACKING SKILLS OF A STRA-TE-GIST OF THE DA-LEKS, A CATEGORY WHICH IN-CLUDES MY-SELF, FEARN, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE MADE YOUR TRANS-MISS-ION RECORDS SO SIM-PLE TO HACK!
HA
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Fisherman: Wait, you hacked our communications?
Fearn: YES.
Fisherman: But there would've been no call to unless you knew we were planning something, and this is the first Council meeting, so no one would've even known we had any plans! Unless... have you been spying on one of us beforehand?
Fearn: IRRELEVANT.
Fisherman: I think it's perfectly rele-
Fearn: IRRELEVANT!
Disentangler: (sighing) Oh, wonderful. Fearn-
Fearn: THE TIME LORDS HAVE AS-SEM-BLED IN THEIR FEEBLE GA-THER-ING, AND IT IS WITHIN THE RIGHTS OF A SU-PE-RI-OR RACE SUCH AS THE DA-LEKS TO PROVE THE SU-PE-RIORITY OF THEMSELVES IN ALL THINGS, IN-CLU-DING CON-GRE-GA-TION!
Reader: ...What?
Fearn: IF YOU TIME LORDS ARE TO A-SSEM-BLE A COUNCIL OF YOUR GREATEST MINDS AND WARR-I-ORS, THE DA-LEKS, LED IN THEIR RIGH-TEOUS EFFORT BY MY-SELF, FEARN, SHALL A-SSEM-BLE A COUNCIL THAT SHALL MAKE YOURS SEEM AS IN-SIG-NI-FI-CANT AS DUST, TO BE-FIT THE TRUE STAN-DING OF YOUR PEOPLE IN COM-PARISON TO THAT OF THE WONDROUS DA-LEK RACE!
Reader: (to the Librarian) Do we even have enough Daleks for a council?
Librarian: Until a few moments ago, I was unaware that we had any whatsoever. (to Fearn) And I believe it would be a parliament, would it not?
Fearn: AS FOUNDER AND HIGH CHAN-CELL-OR OF THE CON-GRE-GA-TION OF THE DA-LEKS, IT IS MY SWORN AND NOBLE DUTY TO DECIDE WHAT SAID CON-GRE-GA-TION SHALL BE CALLED, TIME LORD!
Disentangeler: Oh, please. You're only "High Chancellor" because you're the only one on your so-called Dalek Council. Now, can you vamoose? We were almost getting to a-
Fearn: RE-CRUIT-ING OTHER DA-LEKS WAS AL-WAYS PART OF THE COUN-CIL'S PLAN! SPE-CI-FI-CALLY, THE FOURTH STEP IN THE GLORIOUS TEN-STEP PLAN FOR-MU-LA-TED BY MYSELF, FEARN, TO PROVE THE SU-PER-I-OR-I-TY OF THE DA-LEKS IN YET ANOTHER MATTER!
Reader: Being obnoxious?
Fearn: DON'T YOU START!
Morgan: (smirking) Notary, what are you getting in the minutes for this?
Fearn: ...IT SUD-DEN-LY STRIKES ME THAT YOU MAY NOT BE TAKING THIS AT ALL SE-RI-OUS-LY.
Agent: What was your first tip-off?
Fearn: TO BE HONEST, IT WAS PRO-BAB-LY THE POINT WHEN I WAS QUES-TIONED ON MY METHODS OF IN-FOR-MA-TION GATHERING RA-THER THAN DI-RECT-LY OP-POSED, VERBALLY OR O-THER-WISE.
Fisherman: So about ten seconds in, then.
Agent: Questions like those are usually meant rhetorically, Fearn.
Notary: Why are you addressing this interloper in so familiar a manner?
Agent: He doesn't have another name. At least, he hasn't got one he's not shouted at the top of his lungs three times now.
Fearn: I'D THOUGHT IT WAS AT LEAST FOUR.
Notary: It is not your place to speak here, Dalek!
Morgan: At least he's far more compelling than you were.
Notary: A DALEK?
Agent: I believe he's shouted that bit at least six times now.
Fearn: SEVEN! I RE-MEM-BER THAT ONE!
Disentangler: Of course you do.
Notary: Less compelling than a Dalek‽
Fearn: WATCH AS THE TIME LORD QUAILS AT THE MERE MEN-TION OF DA-LEK SU-PRE-MA-CY! VISIBLY SHAKES, EVEN!
Notary: I am not quailing!
Fearn: YES? PER-HAPS IT IS SUP-PRESSED RAGE AT THE NU-MER-OUS SAR-CAS-TIC POTSHOTS OF THIS FEEBLE IM-I-TA-TION COUN-CIL THAT DRIVES YOU. OR MORE LIKE-LY, YOU ARE IN DE-NI-AL!
Disentangler: Notary, don't encourage him.
Fearn: IT IS NO SHAME. DENIAL IS A TRAIT SHARED AMONG MANY OF THE IN-FER-I-OR RACES. WITH-OUT IT, YOUR COUN-CIL WOULD COLLAPSE OUT OF SHAME, CRUSHED UNDER ITS IN-EV-I-TAB-LE IG-NOM-I-NY!
Librarian: Wait just a moment!
Morgan: Hold on, Librarian. I've almost got it lined up.
Librarian: You have what lined up?
Morgan: Three... two... one...
(A dull boom sounds from under Morgan's seat, followed shortly by a barely visible ripple in space. The Dalek Fearn, who in his pace-like rolling about had unfortunately moved between the Tigereye Castellan spot on the table and the still-open door once every twenty-eight seconds, is propelled through the opening, not stopping until he hits the opposing wall with a thump. Triumphantly, Morgan stands up from her chair, places a faintly crackling apparatus on the table in front of her, walks over to the door, and loudly closes it.)
Morgan: Consider the Continuity Council defended. (sits back down) Now, where exactly were we? I could've sworn we were almost onto something.
Fisherman: Something about whether one of us gets more work, I think.
Agent: I think it was Dis who was getting something else to do.
Disentangler: And I suppose you'd quite like that, wouldn't you?
Fisherman: I distinctly remember something involving filing cabinets and duct tape.
(Outside the door, Dalek Fearn has shaken off the concussive blast, and has moved close enough to the door to hear the entirety of the last few seconds.)
Fearn: (abnormally quietly) YES. STEP THREE IN THE GLO-RI-OUS TEN-STEP PLAN TO AFFIRM YET ANOTHER AS-PECT OF DALEK SU-PER-I-OR-I-TY IS PROCEEDING A-PACE. NOW TO IN-I-TI-ATE STEP FOUR!
(rolling away)
Fearn: PER-HAPS O-MI-CRON WOULD BE IN-TER-ES-TED IN A COUN-CIL PO-SI-TION.
(I know, I know, I don't have any Time Lords on the Continuity Council, but I couldn't resist involving at least one of the PPC's Daleks. It was originally going to be a summary of how they would all react as a group, but then it turned into just Fearn, and then into a little script like the others in this chain. I hope it lives up to the standard of everyone else's! If it doesn't, I suppose you could all pretend it doesn't exist, since it is sort of off-topic to begin with.) -
Can't resist. by
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The Doctor chances upon this meeting. Or possibly a future meeting. They tend to all go more or less the same way.
/general arguing as usual/
Notary: ...And, insofar as we, the remaining citizens of Gallifrey, are gathered and in council, [snipped for legalese] ...to rule over the remainder of the organization termed the 'PPC'--
Fisherman: /comes out of a trance/ Wait, did you just--
Disentangler: She did. We're not taking over the PPC, Notary!
/dazed silence/
Disentangler: /looks around/ I said, we're not taking over the PPC!
Agent: What? Who said we were? Why would we want to?
Fisherman: It was the Notary.
Morgan: Of course it was the Notary. Who else would it be?
Notary: As we possess superior intelligence, although it would be difficult to discern this fact from these gatherings--
Fisherman: Hey!
Reader: You do realize, of course, that it would be extremely difficult for us to actually prove superior intelligence to every single person in HQ? They're pretty varied.
Librarian: /thoughtfully/ True, although with all of us together, we might well be--
Morgan: Can we focus? Notary, we're not taking over HQ.
Notary: /snidely/ Of course you would curtail the--
Fisherman: Does anyone else hear that?
Disentangler: Hear what?
Agent: Wait, is that--?
Reader: That sounds very familiar...
Librarian: /to the Notary/ It is not a question of denying ourselves the right to our proper place, but rather the denial of a wish to stage a coup against the Flowers--
Morgan: We're not staging any coups! No one is staging--
Fisherman: Um, Morgan, Librarian--
Morgan: Not now, busy--
Doctor: ...so, what's going on here, then?
Disentangler: Well, you see, it started when...
/Morgan, the Librarian, and the Notary are now engaged in a shouting match/
Doctor: ...a Continuity Council?
Reader: It's...been interesting. I mean, we've withstood a Dalek invasion--
Fisherman: It was only Fearn, wasn't that much of an invasion--
Reader: --and, well, the Notary's always one to withstand--
Notary: Excuse me?
Reader: --and no one's shown more than a few false alarms in the way of wanting to follow Rassilon, so, generally speaking, we're doing pretty well!
Disentangler: /dryly/ We also manage to get things done, from time to time.
Doctor: A Continuity Council.
Morgan: Doctor, when did you get here?
Doctor: Oh, I just--popped in--/to Notary/ um, you were saying?
Notary: You would agree, Doctor, that Time Lords possess superior intellect--
Reader: Oh, do shut up for a change, we can't possibly prove--
Agent: Maybe we should try to. It would keep her quiet, if nothing else--
Morgan: I think you're missing the fact that even if we could prove 'superior intelligence' we won't be staging any coups--
Doctor: What's this, then?
Disentangler: /rolls eyes/ The Notary's latest idea is to take over HQ.
Morgan: Nothing to worry about, we stop most of her ideas. Shouldn't you have a companion?
Doctor: She's at home, actually.
Agent: Shouldn't you have regenerated by now?
Doctor: Oi! Nothing wrong with this body!
Reader: /quietly/ Well, if you like floppy hair...
Fisherman: And bow-ties, for that matter.
Librarian: Could we perhaps return to our true objective for this meeting?
Morgan: Yes, of course.
/pause/
Doctor: So, what's this meeting about? Vacations? Intelligence? Jammy dodgers?
Fisherman: I think it had something to do with mapping Gallifrey's position in the sky from multiple planets...and there was definitely something about duct tape and the Notary...
--
I keep feeling like I'm missing a Time Lord, but there just aren't too many of them, are there...I mean, we've got Morgan, the Fisherman, the Disentangler, the Agent, the Librarian, the Notary, and the Reader...and I think that's everyone, isn't it? I mean, except for in this case, where the Doctor came to join...
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Doctor: No, no, no, you can't map Gallifrey's position, it doesn't have a position, it's... lost.
Fisherman: Well clearly it isn't - you saved it - locking it in a subcontinuum. Shouldn't be all that hard to find.
Doctor: A subwhat?
Disentangler: Don't tell me there's some technobabble that you don't know, Doctor?
Notary: Hardly babble, Disentangler - a subcontinuum is a...
Morgan: Yes. We know what a subcontinuum is.
Doctor: Well I don't!
Agent: [whispers to the Doctor] You know jumpers? And you've got all these fibers that make it up? If that's a continuum, a subcontinuum is like a bobble on the jumper. It's part of it but... not part of it. Does that help?
Doctor: [whispers back] Not really... why are we whispering. Everyone's staring at us.
Agent: I didn't want theNotarytostartcorrectingme
Librarian: Not an unwise decision.
Notary: Children. All of you are children, bickering and squawking back and forth.
Reader: Oh really? How old are you, then, Notary?
Notary: When you address me, you address the office of Spinel Promontor - adjust your tone to suit, Citrine Theorist.
Librarian: You avoided the question, 'Spinel Promontor' - how old are you?
Notary: As if it is relevant - 186.
Fisherman: Excellent!
Librarian: What about the Notary being 186 is excellent?
Fisherman: Well, I was seriously worried about being the youngest one here...
Disentangler: [Bursts out laughing] Hang on! 186? I was still doing my research project at the Academy when I was 186.
Notary: Which shows a distinct lack of academic aptitude, clearly.
Doctor: I never finished mine - I wasn't allowed. They never could get over that incident with the rhinoceros and the kangaroos.
Notary: So it was you who inspired those safety posters - I might have known.
Morgan: [Retrieves a small microphone like device from under the table] OKAY! EVERYBODY PLEASE SHUT YOUR RESPECTIVE PIE HOLES!
Fisherman: What on many, many Earths is that?
Morgan: AN AMPLIFICATION DEVICE. MAYBE YOU'LL LISTEN TO ME NOW. CAN WE PLEASE GET BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND!
Fisherman: [Wrestles amplification device away from Morgan] AND WHAT IS THAT?
Morgan: Well, I think it was...
Morgan is interrupted by the materialisation of another TARDIS: a large blue box that just happened to land right in front of the exit door.
Morgan: ...er... hold that thought.
Doctor: Well I don't remember this at all...
The doors of the newly-arrived TARDIS open and the stocky figure of the Ninth Doctor steps out.
9th Doctor: Oh, hello. Who are you lot then?
11th Doctor: I remember, it's the Northern one - hello there! Wow... I'd almost forgotten about the ears, those are quite something.
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Morgan: [Stunned silence]
Disentangler: Oh, come on, now there's two of him?
9th Doctor: Two? Two of... [He locks gaze with the 11th Doctor] ... oh. Right.
11th Doctor: Yes. Exactly.
9th Doctor: Well, the one in yellow's right - this can't happen.
11th Doctor: You'd be amazed how often I hear that.
9th Doctor: Oh, I know. 'That's impossible, Doctor!' 'Doctor, that doesn't make any sense!' 'Doctor, I don't-'
11th Doctor: '-understand!' Yep, that's the one. And it's always the women, have you noticed?
9th Doctor: Well, there's Ricky-
11th Doctor: Yes, no, actually, that was rubbish, what I just said. Never mind.
Librarian: Regardless of whether this is physically possible, it certainly should not happen. The chances of even one TARDIS simply landing in HQ are unbelievably low-
The Reader: Mine did!
Morgan: And mine.
Notary: And, much though it pains me to admit it, mine.
Morgan: [Turning to the Notary] Wait a minute... I remember you.
Notary: Well, I would hope so! I am the Spinel-
Morgan: No, before that... in Arcadia. You misfiled my mother's tax return!
Notary: You must be mistaken. I would never 'misfile' anything.
Morgan: Antrilovorasilendar, First Taxation-Related Intermediary of the Arcadian 7th District Council Reasonable Expenses Subcommittee. It was you - I'd recognise that supercilious attitude anywhere.
Notary: I hardly think my-
Morgan: But you must be... why did you say you were 186?
Notary: I beg your pardon?
Morgan: When the Librarian asked.
Notary: I said no such thing. I am 682, and would never say otherwise - unlike certain Time Lords.
11th Doctor: What? Me? What? Am I in this conversation now?
Morgan: No. Maybe. Hey, Fisherman?
Fisherman: [Through the amplification device] YES?
Morgan: Give. [Morgan grabs the amplification device] HEY, EVERYONE. LISTEN UP.
[The room slowly falls into silence]
Morgan: Thank you. Who here remembers the Notary saying she was 186?
[The Fisherman, Librarian, and Disentangler raise their hands]
Morgan: And who thinks she said 682?
[The 11th Doctor, the Notary, and the Reader raise their hands]
Disentangler: [To the Agent] So what did you hear?
Agent: Oh, I was ignoring her.
Disentangler: Good plan.
[The two Doctors exchange a look]
11th Doctor: Right - this is where it gets interesting. So we all remember her saying different things, right before he showed up.
9th Doctor: Oy, watch it with the 'he'.
11th Doctor: Sorry, 'Oncoming Storm'. What I'm getting at is-
9th Doctor: A temporal fold. Two slightly different versions of the timeline, one in which I arrive after that conversation, one where you show up before it. Right?
11th Doctor: Right.
9th Doctor: And that can't happen.
11th Doctor: Clearly, it can. There's no point arguing the fact.
9th Doctor: No, but that can't happen. The power requirements to maintain a temporal fold even for a second are unimaginable! Even before Gallifrey fell-
Reader: But Gallifrey is-
Disentangler: Shh! He doesn't know, remember? He's in the wrong place in his timeline!
9th Doctor: What don't I know?
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Notary: Oh, quite a lot of things, renegade. Decency, decorum, the minutiae of laws regarding theft-
9th Doctor [seething]: What. Don't. I. Know?
Fisherman: How to juggle?
11th: Oooh, I know how to juggle, and I learned ages ago, which means he probably does too.
Notary: And in what way could that possibly be considered to be relevant?
11th Doctor: I just wanted to make a contribution.
Notary: Then kindly refrain from making any more, they're neither wanted or needed.
Morgan: Notary?
Notary: Yes?
Morgan: Glass houses, Notary.
Notary: Excuse me?
9th Doctor: Oh, I see what you're doing. It's a distraction. Very clever, love the bickering, really makes it believable.
Morgan: ... You think I'm faking how much I hate that b-
9th Doctor: But it's not going to work, now TELL ME!
Notary [sighing]: We can't, renegade.
9th Doctor: Can't or won't?
Notary: Choose whichever answer is most amenable to you; the consequences are the same.
Morgan: It's about your future, if that helps. Don't want to spawn any paradoxes in HQ, the janitors hate having to clear 'em up.
9th Doctor: Nice try.
11th Doctor: Look, ears-me.
9th Doctor: You what?
11th Doctor: Just... me, then. There's a lot you can't know. There's a lot you have to do before you can get to where I am.
9th Doctor: Does that include getting my dress sense erased?
11th Doctor: Hey, bow ties are cool - doesn't matter. The point is, the actual pointiest point of it is, that... well, not everything stays dead. You can't know how I know that until you're standing here on my side of the room.
9th Doctor: Heh.
Disentangler: Uh, did I miss the funny part?
9th Doctor [smiling wide, but with the anger of a god behind his eyes]: Not at all. It just... makes sense. I met a Dalek a few days ago, well, a few days ago for me, subjective time and so on. It thought it was the last, they're never the last, so what we did... what I did... it was all for nothing, wasn't it? All for absolutely nothing. We lost. The Time Lords lost. And that's the biggest joke of all, isn't it? That we all fought and died for absolutely nothing.
11th Doctor: I'm-
9th Doctor: Sorry? Is that the word that was going to dance merrily out of your mouth? You're sorry?
11th Doctor: No. I'm just going to let you believe all that because you're not ready to accept how wrong you are about it. Not yet. Not for a while.
9th Doctor: ... How wrong?
11th Doctor: I can't say. You know I can't. You know the rules.
9th Doctor: Hmph. Well, when have either of us cared about the rules?
Notary [shoving a hand in her pocket]: Councillors, let us put it to a vote. All those in favour of, in theory, informing the younger Doctor of his homeworld's fate?
[A few hands rise. Morgan gapes at the Notary.]
Morgan: You've snapped. You've finally up and snapped-
Notary: [whispering to Morgan] I have an idea, one I'm surprised you didn't think of. [louder] And those opposed?
[An equal number of hands]
Notary: Tigereye Castellan, you have the deciding vote.
Morgan: I... vote in favour.
Notary: Excellent. The motion is carried. Older Doctor, it is the will of this Council that you explain the events of the Last Day of the Time War to your younger self.
11th Doctor: But... what about-
Notary: This Council will hold you in its contempt should you not do so.
11th Doctor: Oh, will it now?
Notary: Yes it will. Chop chop, renegade. You're running late.
[The 11th Doctor sighs and shakes his head, then begins to tell the 9th Doctor what happened in the serial Day Of The Doctor. The latter is so engrossed in the telling that he doesn't notice the Notary palming something from the pocket of her robes. Finally, the tale ends.]
9th Doctor: They survived?
11th Doctor: Locked away, outside of time. But this is your future, and you shouldn't know it.
Notary: And you won't.
9th Doctor: What- [He is interrupted by a flash of red light. The Notary tucks her neuralyser away in her pocket and begins to set up some details]
Morgan: Huh. That was kinda obvious, now that I think about it. Wait, where did you even get that?
Notary: Stores. I filled out the requisition forms in triplicate some time ago as a matter of course.
Agent: Is that how you get off or something? I mean, glass of wine, smooth jazz, rose petals leading up the stairs to some 15-Bs that have to be filled in, that's romantic to you, right?
Notary: Were it to be so, Amethyst Keeper, I guarantee that you would be the last person I choose for such an endeavour.
Agent: Oh, thanks.
Notary: You are quite welcome, Amethyst Keeper.
9th Doctor: So, fun as all this was, it doesn't answer the question: how did both of us get here?
Fearn: THROUGH THE WORKINGS OF SUP-REME CHANCELLOR FEARN, SUP-REME CHANCELLOR OF THE HIGH COUNCIL OF THE DA-LEKS!
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Tune in next week for the shocking continuation of... er... whatever we're calling this thing that we do. -
Okay, so it took a little longer than a day. by
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[But at least it wasn't a week! For those of you who are keeping track, this is the last script that was copy-pasted from the main Board. Everything else, when it arrives, is new material for this thread.]
(Fearn rolls into the room)
Fearn: THE LAST STEPS ARE BEING PUT IN-TO PLACE FOR THE IN-EV-IT-A-BLE TRI-UMPH OF THE DA-LEKS!
Ninth Doctor: Dalek! Back, all of you! Get back!
(He and Eleven run to the front of the group, sonic screwdrivers pointed at Fearn)
Fearn: AND WHAT, PRECISELY, DO YOU INTEND TO DO WITH THOSE, DOC-TORS? UNSCREW MY TRAVEL MACHINE CASING?
Eleventh Doctor: Regrettably, I almost agree with him. This may not have been the best plan.
Ninth Doctor: Since when was this ever a plan? (beat) And when did they start making blue Daleks?
Eleventh Doctor: Well, I've seen Daleks in blue before, saw a whole rainbow of Daleks once, though none were this one's frankly delightful and decidedly non-terrifying shade of robins-egg.
Fearn: I AM EM-PY-RE-AN! IT WAS A THE-SAUR-US MIX-UP!
Ninth Doctor: You're a bit mixed-up yourself, I'd say. Look at you, another washed-up dreg of the Dalek race, probably here to wipe out the last few Time Lords in existence-
Librarian: (whispered to the Notary) He recovered quickly.
Notary: A neuralyzed mind is a very flexible structure. Besides, I pre-loaded the new memories. I don't like taking risks.
Ninth Doctor: (continues, not having heard the previous exchange) -and you can't even be organized about it! Look at you, just bounding in announcing your so-called victory and babbling about thesauruses, and you've not even tried firing a single shot! I'd already thought the Daleks had hit their peak of delusion, but I see you can still top yourselves!
Fearn: YOU ASSUME TOO MUCH, DOC-TOR. I CAN SEE WHERE YOUR FUTURE SELF OVER THERE GAINED HIS TOWERING ARROGANCE FROM.
Eleventh Doctor: Oy!
(Morgan stands up from her seat abruptly)
Morgan: All three of you, shut it!
(The Doctors look over at Morgan, while simultaneously keeping Fearn within their sight.)
Morgan: It's my responsibility to protect this Council, and that includes keeping these meetings from devolving into a series of unnecessary brawls. I have enough of that to do without unexpected visitors coming in and aggrieving one another. Doctors, Fearn is not a threat.
Fearn: I RESENT THAT!
Morgan: (groan) Not a threat to us.
Fearn: ...BETTER.
Ninth Doctor: Oh, of course, the Dalek who just barged in here shouting about its race's inevitable triumph is completely docile. The last time I met a Dalek who was supposedly "harmless", it ended up, surprise, surprise, killing hundreds of unprepared people! I'm not letting that happen again.
Librarian: It won't. Fearn has been instilled with something called the "human factor". You have seen it before, in your second incarnation, if I recall correctly. It alters the Dalek psyche, disabling some of their pre-conditioned restrictive processes and enabling a wider range of non-aggressive action.
Disentangler: Translated, he's friendly. More or less. It's not as though he doesn't cause problems, but they aren't of the "trying to kill you" variety. Trust us.
(Eleven turns off his sonic screwdriver. Nine scowls, but does the same a few moments later)
Eleventh Doctor: Fine, then. What would a so-called "friendly Dalek" have to gain by sending two time-displaced versions of the same person, their race's greatest enemy no less, into unfamiliar territory?
Fearn: YOUR TOWERING ARR-O-GANCE SHOWS ITSELF ONCE A-GAIN, DOC-TOR.
Disentangler: Fearn, this would go quicker for all of us if you just stop with the insults and answer the question.
Fearn: ...FINE. YOU, DOC-TORS, WERE NOT THE FO-CUS OF OUR PLAN! THE AR-RI-VALS OF THE ON-COM-ING STORM AND THE HUN-TER OF SLORP WERE A SIDE EF-FECT!
Reader: "Our" plan? Who else is involved here?
Eleventh Doctor: "Hunter of Slorp?"
Fearn: JUST LIKE A TIME LORD TO FOCUS ON THE DE-TAILS BEFORE THE WHOLE! IF YOU MUST KNOW, I AM CURRENTLY COLLABORATING WITH DA-LEK OMICRON AND DA-LEK CHAR-LIE ON-
Ninth Doctor: Hold on. There's a Dalek named Charlie?
Fearn: YES. HE WAS THE FIRST TO AC-CEPT MY-
Ninth Doctor: Is he baby-blue, too?
Fearn: HE IS NOT, I AM EM-PY-RE-AN, AND STOP IN-TERR-UP-TING ME!
Reader: You're the one who keeps barging in here, you know. Well, barged in twice, anyway. We can't exactly get a council going with all of these interruptions.
Fearn: (faces the Council table) YES, BECAUSE YOU ARE DIS-PAR-ATE AND IN-COM-PAT-I-BLE. WHILE THE TIME LORDS WERE FORCED TO TRAWL THROUGH THEIR IN-SIG-NI-FI-CANT STORE OF A-GENTS TO SELECT COUN-CILL-ORS, THE DA-LEKS, SPEARHEADED BY THE GLO-RI-OUS KNOWLEDGE AND AC-TION OF MY-SELF, FEARN, HAVE BEEN SCOURING THE MY-RI-AD OF WORLDS FOR ALL POSS-I-BLE VAR-I-A-TIONS ON THE DA-LEK FORM! TRULY OUR SU-PER-I-OR-I-TY IS UNMATCHED IN THE COSMOS!
Agent: Is that what you've been trying to tell us this whole time? Because honestly, that didn't tell anyone of much of anything. Normally, when you give someone new information, it helps if you explain it.
Fisherman: Wait, I think he's talking about the temporal fold.
Fearn: I SEE THAT NOT ALL TIME LORDS ARE IN-CAP-A-BLE OF DE-DUC-TION!
Fisherman: Did you cause that? How would you even know how to do that?
Fearn: I AM A STRA-TE-GIST OF THE DA-LEKS, WITH YEARS OF EX-PER-I-ENCE IN THE DE-PART-MENT OF TEM-PO-RAL OFF-EN-SES! THERE-FORE, I AM AN UN-PAR-ALL-ELLED SUPER-GENIUS SLASH CY-BORG SLASH TIME TRAVEL EXPERT. I AM QUITE SURE THAT I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING.
Morgan: I don't think the cyborg bit helps much with that.
Fearn: I BELIEVE IT DOES.
Ninth Doctor: So, let me get this straight. You've been creating temporal folds, which have the well-deserved reputation of being dangerous and quite possibly threatening to local causality, summoning other Daleks to... wherever this is, and generally trying for an amateur-hour run of mucking about with space-time- (turns to the Disentangler) -and this is the nice Dalek?
Disentangler: I said he was friendly. Not nice.
Fearn: WHY IS IT THAT ONLY THE DA-LEKS REFUSE TO PUSH AWAY THE RISKS OF INN-O-VA-TION? YOU TIME LORDS WOULD MONITOR YOUR PEOPLE FROM THE DI-LU-TED PER-SPEC-TIVE OF A SINGLE BATCH OF DRIF-TERS, OUT-CASTS AND RE-NE-GADES, SIM-PLY BECAUSE YOU SEE POSSIBLE HARM IN STRETCHING YOUR BOUNDARIES. ON-LY THREE DA-LEKS WERE IN-TER-ES-TED IN COUN-CIL PO-SI-TIONS, SO WE USED OUR TEM-POR-AL FOLD TO BRING IN MORE RE-CRUITS! THERE ARE THOU-SANDS OF WORD WORLDS, MILL-IONS OF POSS-I-BLE UN-I-VER-SES, AND A SIMPLE DIS-TOR-TION OF SPACE AND TIME COULD OVERLAP THE SPA-CI-ALLY AM-BI-GU-OUS HALLS OF HEAD-QUAR-TERS WITH A-NY OF THEM! THE DA-LEK HIGH COUNCIL IS NOW COM-POSED OF THE BEST AND GREA-TEST OF THE DA-LEKS, OF ALL FACTIONS AND SUB-TYPES! I EX-PEC-TED THE DOC-TOR TO IN-VES-TI-GATE THE DIS-RUP-TION OF TEM-POR-AL PRO-GRESSION, OF COURSE, THOUGH I HAD PREDICTED ON-LY ONE INSTANCE. IT IS IN THE DOC-TOR'S NA-TURE TO FLY RIGHT IN-TO AN-Y-THING HE DOES NOT UN-DER-STAND.
Eleventh Doctor: Got me pegged there, mate.
Fearn: (angry staccato) WHAT IS IT WITH YOU TIME LORDS AND IN-TERR-UP-TING MY MON-O-LOGUES TO-DAY‽ (Fearn briefly pauses, and performs an feat that would be unthinkable for any non-humanized Dalek: calming down slightly) NOW IF I MAY CON-TIN-UE-
Notary: Hold it! I was going to say something when you erroneously labelled me a renegade(the Notary rankles at the very thought), but this is just going too far.
Fearn: YOU WOULD OP-POSE THE OB-VI-OUS TRUTH OF THE DA-
Notary: I wasn't finished! You're claiming to have, between this meeting and the last one, set up something to allow you to overlap this timeline with an inconceivable number of others, just so that you could pull random Daleks into our reality and ask them if they'd like to me members of your imitation council. Never mind the poor planning involved in literally every step of that, no three Agents would have the resources to enact that plan, even if they were, in your words, "supergenius cyborgs". Besides, the power drain on the DoDAEG generators would cause another blackout before the fold could stay in place for ten seconds. You are just, once again, trying to use the problems that this council has experienced to draw attention to yourself by claiming responsibility for them. In layman's terms, you're bluffing.
Librarian: Notary, I believe that you are disregarding one irrefutable fact. The fold does still exist, even if the Daleks are not causing it. In fact, this Council has directly experienced its effects.
Fisherman: You took the words right from my mouth, Librarian. Well, not really, since I'd have said them slightly differently. But still, Notary, you should know about the fold better than anyone, since your timeline was overlapped so much that for at least a few minutes you were replaced with a five-hundred-years younger doppelgänger who wanted to take over HQ!
Notary: It is not my fault if my fellow Councillors mishear me. I stated my precise age, and if you choose to believe otherwise, you may.
Fisherman: She called herself "Spinel Promontor"! Promontor isn't even a word in our reality!
Notary: (ignoring him) I propose that, even if Fearn were, for some inexplicable reason, the cause of the alleged disruption, he would not be able to maintain it long enough to get anything through it, let alone a cross-multiversal squad of Daleks!
Fearn: I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO SAY THAT. (turns to the door) FELLOW DA-LEK COUN-CILL-ORS! YOU MAY NOW ENTER!
(A Scientist Dalek rolls into the room, flanked by a Time War Dalek and a Crucible Dalek. The two gold-colored Daleks move to opposite sides of the room, one of the two turning to face the Doctors, and the other to face the Council table)
Fearn: (spins toward the Scientist Dalek) DA-LEK LAT! REPORT! REPORT!
Lat: SUPREME CHANCELLOR FEARN! CROSS-TEMPORAL SYNCHRONIZATION HAS SURPASSED SEVENTY PERCENT! THE DALEK HIGH COUNCIL HAS REACHED ITS HIGHEST RATE OF POTENTIAL CANDIDATE TRANSPORT!
Fearn: EX-CELL-ENT! YOUR PO-SI-TION AS TEMPORAL OVERSEER SHALL GO UNCHALLENGED FOR-
Lat: WARNING: THE NULL SPACES HOUSING THE VARIANT FORMS OF HEADQUARTERS CONTINUE TO OVERLAP. ANOMALOUS TRANSPOSITION OF DENIZENS MAY RESULT IF FURTHER SYNCHRONIZATION IS ATTEMPTED WITH THE CURRENT INCREASE IN CROSS-TEMPORAL PACE.
Fearn: ENOUGH. WE WILL DIS-CUSS THIS LA-TER.
(Fearn turns toward the Councillors again, regarding them with a swoop of his eyestalk. Somehow, despite the inability of a Dalek travel machine to show visible emotion, Fearn seems to be emitting waves of smug triumph.)
Fearn: WELL, TIME LORDS? DO YOU DOUBT ME NOW?
(And the belated Fearn post finally arrives! Three days late! Wooo... I would've had it up two days ago, but I needed to rewrite it because the version I had didn't make any sense.
Thanks to Huinesoron for some of these lines, both the ones I lifted directly from his sample and the ones I paraphrased. [Since this is a new thread and you can't see the initial post unless you click on this link, Huinesoron permitted using portions of his sample in whichever script section came next, saying that he'd be "quite happy for this to be inserted in full, ripped to shreds, or totally ignored. Uppa'you". As you can see, I chose the "ripped to shreds" option. ;)]
For further clarification on the "empyrean" thing, Fearn is a lighter color than the standard Strategist Dalek, to differentiate him from the other Strategist Dalek in the PPC, Omicron, who is, as far as we know, more-or-less standard in design. My explanation for this is that the original badfic he came from was full of purple prose and thesaurus abuse, and used what it thought was a synonym for "blue" and turned out instead to notify a specific hue of the color. He's, as you can see, kind of sensitive about it, as far as that word can be applied to a Dalek.
You're up, Lily! We might need to move the Continuity Council to a different thread, though. This one's just about to fall off the front page. I can set up a duplicate on the Other Board, maybe, and link to it from here. That would work.)
[I already did, Future Me! For once, we followed through on one of our ideas!] -
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[The Time Lords all stare at the congregation (squadron? council? murder?) of Daleks with a mixture of befuddlement, annoyance, and dread.]
Ninth Doctor: You have got to be kidding me.
Eleventh Doctor: No, no, wait, wait. What did he say? [points to Lat]
Lat: THE NULL SPACES HOUSING THE VA-RI-ANT FORMS OF –
Fearn: [cutting him off] YOU WILL CEASE DIS-CUSSING THIS MA-TTER WITH THE TIME LORDS!
Disentangler: He said that we might be looking forward to another Blackout-y sorta thing where random creatures from various continua get pulled in because of this cross-temporal synchronisation. That, or someone’s left the kettle boiling.
Lat: THAT IS AB-SURD. I NE-VER IN-SIN-U-ATED SUCH A THING!
Disentangler: You insinuated at least one of the things.
Lat: BUT I DID NOT IN-SIN-U-ATE ANY-THING ABOUT A KET-TLE. DA-LEKS DO NOT USE KET-TLES!
Fisherman: But then how do you make the tea?
Lat: [in a poshly offended tone] I AM A SCI-EN-TIST DA-LEK. SCI-EN-TIST DA-LEKS DO NOT MAKE TEA.
Agent: [sounding just as affronted, though less posh] What’s the point of you, then?
Fearn: YOU WILL CEASE THIS MIND-LESS BI-CKER-ING AND RE-TURN TO YOUR STA-TION! THE HU-MAN FAC-TOR WAS AD-MIN-I-STERED TO PRE-VENT YOU FROM EX-TER-MIN-ATING YOUR SUP-REME CHAN-CEL-LOR, NOT TO AL-LOW YOU TO BA-BBLE INANELY ABOUT TEA AND KET-TLES.
Lat: INANE BA-BBLE IS HU-MAN. AS IS CLUE-DO.
Reader: Oh, for the love of Omega –
[From her position, Morgan seemed to have regained her cool after the initial shock of seeing the three new Daleks appearing in the room.]
Morgan: Party’s over, buds. [She gestures menacingly at the Dalek Concussor that she had used on Fearn previously.] Time to pack it in and let it go, or else I’ll –
Fearn: [cutting Morgan off] DALEK RHO, REPORT!
[The Crucible Dalek rolls forward.]
Rho: THE CAN-DI-DATES ARE TRANS-POR-TING. COUN-CIL-LORS OMI-CRON AND CHAR-LIE ARE FA-CILI-TA-TING THE AD-MIN-I-STRA-TION OF THE HU-MAN FAC-TOR!
Morgan: [groaning] Just what we bloody needed!
Notary: It's another bluff, I daresay.
Eleventh Doctor: No, no, they’ve got that thing, that pathy-webby thing.
Fearn: EX-ACTLY SO. SOON WE WILL A-MASS MORE THAN A MERE COUNCIL AGAINST THE TIME LORDS –
Ninth Doctor: I still can’t believe you’re all telling me that this is the friendly one.
Agent: It’s all relative.
Fearn: CAN YOU NOT INTERRUPT ME IN THE MIDDLE OF MY EXPOSTULATION?
Agent: Sorry, mate.
Fearn: AS I WAS SAY-ING, SOON WE WILL A-MASS MORE THAN A MERE COUNCIL AGAINST THE TIME LORDS, AND WE WILL SHOW ALL OF HQ WHO THE TRULY SU-PREME –
Rho: SUP-REME CHAN-CE-LLOR FEARN, WE HAVE EN-COUN-TERED A PROB-LEM.
Fearn: EX-TER-MIN-ATE IT.
Fisherman: [drily] Because that’ll totally solve everything.
Librarian: No, no, there is something wrong. The time folds themselves are becoming distorted.
Reader: And how would you know that?
Librarian: Right over there. [Pointing the doorway just behind the Time War Dalek.]
[The Time Lords and the Daleks all turn to see a creature standing in the doorway – a humanoid figure with Dalek bumps lining his sides and electric blue eyes.]
Creature: I AM DA-LEK BEAU.
[Morgan squints suspiciously at the creature before grabbing the Dalek Concussor and firing a bolt or two at it. The creature flew back, momentarily taken by surprise. Morgan sets down the Concussor with a glare.]
Morgan: That’s it. That’s bloody it. We’re going to have to close off these stupid rifts, before more of those things come through.
Notary: I do not believe I have ever encountered –
Morgan: SHUT UP!
[Shocked into silence, the Notary blinks at Morgan]
Morgan: [pointing to the concussed creature] That’s a Dalek Stu.
Fisherman: [eyes wide] That’s what a – what kind of Suefic would have a –
Librarian: So there’s a Suvian element involved in these time rifts –
Disentangler: How on Gallifrey did you recognise the Dalek Stu, Morgan? I don’t think any of us have ever encountered a Sue desperate enough to make a Dalek fall in love –
Morgan: Yeah, well, beware of what you encounter in the Circle of Lemmings. Eleven encountered the Sue who more or less created him.
Eleventh Doctor: I did?
Ninth Doctor: I think Chins and I are equally lost about this thing.
Eleventh Doctor: Hey! My chin is perfectly fine!
Morgan: [ignoring the Eleventh Doctor] Good. [She turns to Fearn] You don’t want this Dalek Stu running around.
Fearn: WE ARE IN AG-REE-MENT FOR ONCE.
Morgan: Then you’re going to accept our help in closing the temporal rift before the rest of them get through.
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Small nitpick. by
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The Librarian does not use contractions.
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Welp, sorry. by
on 2014-01-31 13:35:00 UTC
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Filing that away for future reference.
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Oh, I had to. by
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Fearn: ... ACCEPTABLE.
Morgan: It had better be. All right, 'Supreme Chancellor' Fearn, tell the Citrine Theorist everything you know. To my knowledge no-one's ever closed a temporal fold before it blew, so we have to move fast. Sapphire Watcher, Amethyst Keeper, I'd really rather be wrong about that, so I need you to scour the canon and find anything that even might be helpful. Jade Warden, you're on monitor duty: work with Lat and Rho to keep track of everything that's-
Reader: Hang on a minute-
Notary: -why are you in charge?
[They glare at each other for a second, angry at having agreed on something]
Morgan: [Icy] What is my job?
Reader: Tigereye Castellan. What-?
Morgan: And what does that entail?
Notary: Defending the Council.
Morgan: Then let me bloody well defend it!
[Deafening silence. Everyone stares at Morgan]
Morgan: Jade Warden, if anything really bad shows up, tell the Doctors. I'm deputising them to Dalek elimination duty.
11th Doctor: Wait, what? Why?
Morgan: Because you're so good at it. Spinel Promotor... you're on Dalek distraction duty. Stop Fearn's 'Council' from causing any more havoc.
Notary: And how do you intend me to do that?
Morgan: I don't know, file their taxes or something. Just do it!
[Everyone scurries to work. Nine comes over to Morgan]
9th Doctor: You've changed. You're not the kid I once knew.
Morgan: Yeah. Things have been... difficult, these last few years.
9th Doctor: The Time War?
Morgan: Mm. [The Librarian taps her on the arm and shows her a tablet. She grimaces] We've got a Special Weapons Dalek in the Mongoose Shelter. Doctors, can you contain it?
11th Doctor: Just tell us where to go.
Fisherman: I'll show you. [He shrugs] Not like I'm doing anything else around here...
[Some time passes. Morgan is standing at the head of the table, which is now covered in books, CDs, DVDs, portable computers, the works]
Morgan: Yellow, what've we got?
Reader: It's not just a single fold any more. According to Fearn, there's at least eight layers to the thing. It's going to be murder to sort out.
Morgan: Thanks. Blue, pink, I hope you've come up with something.
Agent: It's purple!
Disentangler: It's pink, I'm afraid. Uh, no actual temporal folds, but plenty of loops, pockets and the like. We're thinking the best comparison to this event is a slow-motion time ram - two TARDISes crashing into each other.
Reader: In that case, the simplest way of solving it would be to just pull the folds apart again.
11th Doctor: That doesn't sound simple to me.
Librarian: It sounds like a recipe for a massive temporal implosion.
Agent: That's what we're facing anyway! But if the Reader's right-
Reader: It's my job to be right. If we anchor a TARDIS to each of the folds, we can yank them apart - set everything back to normal.
Librarian: We will have to move fast. The last refolding brought full-on Alternate Universes into play - we have Thaleks coming in now.
Morgan: Red? Is it possible?
Fisherman: Depends how much you like your TARDIS. It'll knock years of the warranty, I can tell you that much - but they should be able to pull through.
Librarian: The alternative is the TARDISes being the only things left after Headquarters is destroyed in a cataclysmic explosion.
Morgan: Green's right. We- [She pauses, sighs, and turns to the Notary. Very formally:] Spinel Promotor, do you have anything to say about this course of action?
Notary: Only that it is the riskiest, most reckless, most improbably, and generally downright unworkable plan I have ever heard.
[Silence, for just long enough that Morgan starts to turn away.
Notary: But.
[Morgan turns back and gapes at her as the Notary gives a small smile]
Notary: It is also our only chance - and it is a work of genius.
Morgan: ... thank you, Grey. And all of you - thank you. TARDIS keys, everyone!
[She fishes in a pocket to produce an ornate key, while the Doctors pull out their simple Yale keys. The Notary hesitantly follows suit, followed by the Reader and the Fisherman. The Agent and the Disentangler glance at each other, and the Agent feels in his pocket and produces a key]
Morgan: Librarian?
Librarian: I told you. I walked here from my group's TARDIS - I do not have one with me.
[Morgan crumples]
Morgan: Then this has all been a waste of time. We don't have time to find another ship - and without it, we won't have enough to fix the fold before it collapses. Omega's teeth, we were so close!
[Fearn swivels his dome to look at Lat and Rho, then turns back to Morgan]
Fearn: WE HAVE A TIME SHIP.
[Morgan turns slowly to stare at him]
Fearn: WHAT? DID YOU EXPECT OTHERWISE? DA-LEKS ARE SUPREME! THE LENGTH AND BREADTH OF TIME ARE UNDER OUR CONTROL!
[Slowly, a smile breaks out on Morgan's face]
Morgan: Fearn - I might just start to like you. All right, Councils - let's fly!
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That was fun. :D I'm not actually sure if the Reader has a TARDIS, but it's only a minor change if not (eight becomes seven, 'Librarian' becomes 'Librarian? Reader?', and the Reader gives an explanation. Simples!). And I enjoyed letting everyone actually do their job.
If someone wants to finish this, this is a good place - either an action sequence or an after-action meeting would work. Alternately, if you think there's still milage in it, another open-ended section would be fine too.
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All systems go! by
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[The TARDISes of the Council (plus the Dalek Time Ship) materialise in their chamber one by one, and everyone emerges... save one.]
Fisherman: I don't wanna jinx this, but... where did the Notary go?
Librarian: 1875 isn't that far away from here, even in robes and a big stupid collar.
Agent: Maybe she died?
Morgan: We're not that lucky.
Agent: Aw.
[The traditional TARDIS materialisation sound echoes through the chamber, followed by a distinct lack of TARDIS. A few seconds later, a very large beige photocopier plummets to the ground and smashes the table. Smoke billows from the lid as it flips up to reveal the back of the Notary.
Notary: WHY DID YOU STOP YOU USELESS - Oh, we're here. Ahem. [She straightens her Big Stupid Collar] Shall we begin?
Fisherman: That is your TARDIS.
Notary: Yes, a Type 89-
Fisherman: That. Is your TARDIS.
Notary: Yes it is, Ruby Shipwright, get to the point-
Fisherman [shoving past her]: Poor baby! What did the nasty walking Filofax do to you? [He continues in similar vein for the next few minutes]
Morgan: Well, that explains why you didn't want to give me the key.
Fisherman: [from rather far away] Nails are not supposed to replace fuses in the drive transmission!
11th Doctor: How long have you had her?
Fisherman: Did you - the oscillator control board is not supposed to be glued on!
Notary: [rather stiffly] It is a museum piece, and one so completely useless it might have been built in a human yard.
Fisherman: The fire suppression system's on fire!
Notary: Yes, Ruby Shipwright! Message received and understood! Now calm down, you're embarrassing yourself and this Council!
Fisherman: I'll calm down when you stop using your helmic regulator to store paperclips!
Notary: They're the only things holding it-
[There is a noise like a duck being sat on, followed by the sound of moderately unpleasant electrocution.]
Notary: -together.
Fearn: SEE, MEMBERS OF THE DA-LEK COUNCIL! SEE HOW THE TIME LORDS DEVOLVE INTO BIC-KER-ING IN THE FACE OF SUPERIOR DA-LEK TEMPORAL TECH-NOLOGY! LET US GUF-FAW AT THEM!
Lat: BY ORDER OF THE SUP-REME CHAN-CELL-OR OF THE DA-LEK COUN-CIL, GUF-FAW-ING SHALL COM-MENCE! GUF-FAW! GUF-FAW! GUF-FAW!
Morgan: And now they've set them off. Y'know, some days, I just don't know why I get out of bed.
[The Notary is the subject of many, many glares, and this time has the decency to look embarrassed.]
Reader: Notary, do you do anything except make us look bad?
Agent: She also talks the back wheels off a bus for no good reason, can't forget that.
Morgan: Look, everybody just shut up. Including you. [She gestures at the Daleks with her Concussor, and they fall silent] Red, can you fix this TARDIS?
Fisherman: This alleged TARDIS might hold together long enough, but I can't say for sure. Hush now, sweetie, it's gonna be okay.
Notary: What is it with renegades and treating TARDISes like people? It's not a Type-103, it's not sentient.
11th Doctor: Oh, all TARDISes are a bit alive, right from the word go. It's how they're made. Even the Type I's were, though they were mostly grumpy old codgers shaking a walking stick at you from their living room.
Disentangler: Now who does that remind me of?
Notary: [with an air of defeat] Look, it was all I could get, alright? The Dromeian Chapter is not noted for its lavish funding.
Fisherman: Hold up. This is a Dromeian 89?
Notary: Yes, what of it.
Fisherman: These were blockade runners in the Time War, they're basically indestructible. We're in business!
Librarian: What is a minor bureaucrat doing in charge of a blockade runner?
Notary: [turning away] I don't like to talk about it.
Morgan: Then don't. Everyone, report to your TARDISes. I'll set up a conference call from mine.
[Exeunt omnes, save the Notary and The Fisherman. He emerges from her TARDIS a few minutes later, lightly charred and grinning like an idiot.]
Fisherman: It'll last! I think! Probably!
Notary: Must you shout?
Fisherman: What?
Notary: Oh, never mind. Get back to your own TARDIS.
Fisherman: What? I'm going to go to my own TARDIS! See you later!
[He runs, and the Notary sighs and gets back inside the photocopier.]
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Morgan: Okay, everyone, check in.
Librarian: Citrine Theorist in position.
Fearn: IN POSI-TION ABOARD THE SU-PER-IOR TIME MAC-HINE-
Librarian: Would it kill you to stop doing that for a moment?
Morgan: [heading him off] Yellow's online. Blue?
Disentangler: Sapphire Warden standing by.
Morgan: Pink?
Agent: I'm here and it's purple.
Morgan: Keep telling yourself that, Pink. Red?
Fisherman: What?
Morgan: Red, check in.
Fisherman: What?
Morgan: ... Screw it, it counts. Green?
Reader: Where I need to be and praying to any gods that'll listen that this works.
Morgan: Doctors?
9th Doctor: In position.
11th Doctor: Same here, Tiger Thingy.
Morgan: And, last and by all means least, Grey? [Static] Grey? [More static] Notary, if you've bailed on us-
Notary: - GIVE YOU A DAMNED GOOD THRASHING - ah.
Morgan: Grey?
Notary: I'm in position, against all common sense. Wait a second. Er. Hold on. I might be sort of very slighty on fire.
Morgan: On fire?
Notary: Only slightly.
Agent: I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
Morgan: Okay then, let's fix this mess! Anchor yourself to a particular timeline and pull like crazy!
Notary: That's it?
Morgan: What, you want to make us fill out a Health and Safety form first?
Notary: Well, I do have some on hand, but I was merely surprised. This scrapyard refugee's flaws will actually be useful.
Morgan: What d'you mean?
Notary: The brakes don't work, the accelerator locks on half the time, and it only stays in one direction if I hit the central control nodule with a brick.
Fisherman: It's like watching someone beat up a kitten.
Morgan: Your hearing back, Red?
Fisherman: Nah, I put subtitles on.
Morgan: Let's get pulling! Hold on, it's going to be a bumpy riiiiii-
[Sparks gout from the various panels on the TARDISes' central consoles, and from the Dalek bumps all over their bridge.]
Librarian: Morgan, I am experiencing major piloting difficulties!
Morgan: Already?
Fearn: WE DESIGNED OUR VESSEL TO USE THE SUPERIOR DA-LEK MANI-PU-LATOR AS A MEANS OF CON-TROL! IT IS NOT OUR FAULT THAT INFERIOR SPECIES DO NOT POS-SESS THEM!
Morgan: Just hit it with something and hope!
Agent: There are Sues on board and they're fighting back. I'm not sure I can hold a steady course and deal with them at the same time!
Morgan: Uh, um, Dalek Lat! Teleport over to the Agent's vessel and smoke 'em!
Lat: SO YOU FI-NALLY ACKNOWLEDGE THE SUPERIORITY OF DA-LEK ARMS!
Fisherman: You don't even have arms!
Notary: I must inform the Council that I've completed my initial pass and am coming around for a second attack on a Suvian-generate loop.
Morgan: That's good!
Notary: I must also inform the Council that I am rather more substantially on fire.
Disentangler: That's really good!
Morgan: Not the time! Come on, we're almost - gyah!
[Morgan is accosted from behind by a tall female Humanised Dalek in form-fitting battle armour that shows off her, ahem, larger Dalek bumps. Her TARDIS lurches to one side and a slew of alarms go off. She draws her pistol and hits the Sue square in the eye, but the bullet bounces off and elicits nought but a burst of static]
Fisherman: Morgan, what's happening?
Morgan: I'm under attack! There's a God Mode Sue on my bridge!
Agent: Aim for the heart, not the head!
Morgan: What?
Agent: The Sue's chest is exposed, right? God Mode Sues that die have trajeck deaths, and what's more trajeck than being shot in the heart?
Lat: I CON-SI-DER BEING A MEM-BER OF AN INFERIOR SPE-CIES TO BE MUCH MORE TRA-GIC!
Agent: Trajeck, dude, big difference.
Notary: Hold on, I'm sending you my staser.
Disentangler: Why do you even have one of those?
Notary: For the same reason that I apparently possess a blockade running TARDIS. Sending now.
[There is a metallic thump as a small, snub-nosed staser pistol bounces off of Morgan's control panel and hits her in the head. She grabs it and blasts the Sue twice in the chest, leaving a pair of gaping holes.]
Agent: Why twice?
Morgan: Could've been a Time Lord-Dalek hybrid.
Notary: Oh, I'm going to be sick - [She is. Violently. We're talking Exorcist levels of technicolor-yawn here.]
11th Doctor: I think mine's about to come loose, Morgan.
9th Doctor: Mine's just gone. I hope I see you again, chinny-
[There's static from the 9th Doctor's signal.]
Agent: Doctor?
11th Doctor: He picked his own universe to drag back. It must have pulled him back with it.
Notary: Will that happen to us?
11th Doctor: I'm not sure how it happened to him, if I'm being honest.
Notary: And are you?
Agent: Rule one: the Doctor lies.
11th Doctor: Not this time, honest.
Notary: The word of a renegade means little, but I see no reason to doubt him. Let's just carry on and rendezvous in the Chamber.
Morgan: Right. Wait, your TARDIS trashed the Chamber-
Notary: I'll aim for the corridor.
[One by one, with a lot of shaking control-room scenes from all the Councillors' vessels, the timelines are separated and the multiverse saved. Ish. From this sort of thing. Today. Probably. They return to the Really Very Tiny Auditorium with dazed but happy expressions.]
Morgan: ... We did it. We actually did it.
Fisherman: Yeah! We did what we were supposed to do and saved the day. Go team Continuity!
Morgan: Oh, hey, your hearing's back.
Fisherman: Yes it is.
[The Notary finally limps in, looking like a giant bruise]
Fisherman: And would you look at that, it's gone again. Deaf as a post. Couldn't hear a dropped match in a fireworks factory. I'm gonna go get lunch. [He scurries off into the distance]
Agent: So, um, is this meeting adjourned yet?
Morgan: Not quite. AOB time.
11th Doctor: I do have a little bit more. I mean, I know I'm not an official full-silly-collar member of the Council, but let's not stand on ceremony, eh?
Notary: I want to object but everything hurts.
Morgan: Okay, Doctor, hit us with it.
Notary: Please don't hit me with anything.
11th Doctor: Just a couple of things, really. Literally a couple, there's only two, although frankly that's not a very good way of looking at couples, I mean three's only a crowd if you're in a very small room-
Notary: The point, please?
Librarian: Now that is rich.
11th Doctor: Alright. Point one. I think this is the part where someone normally neuralyses me.
Morgan: Eh, we'll do it when you leave. Sorry, but rules is rules.
11th Doctor: I understand-
Disentangler: Wait, what about your older self? Nobody neuralysed him!
Agent: He went for the canon universe. I'll pick him up later.
11th Doctor: Good. I had a feeling this place made you forget, and I don't want to remember that you can do that. The other thing concerns her. [He jabs a finger at the Notary] What are you doing with a TARDIS like that and a weapon like that?
Notary: What are you doing with a Type 40, renegade?
11th Doctor: Running. Every single day.
Notary: Then the matter is closed. Tigereye Castellan?
Morgan: Hold up, this doesn't just concern you-
Notary: I fail to see who else it could concern. My TARDIS's origins and the fact that I am armed do not affect my ability to carry out my duties as Spinel Promotor in any meaningful sense. Thus, the matter is of total irrelevance.
Morgan: We have to be able to trust the other Councillors!
Notary: Then I respectfully suggest that you trust me.
Morgan: ... Alright, fine, but this isn't over. Don't think that for a second.
Notary: On the contrary. Unless anyone else has any other business... motion to adjourn?
[The hands of the Councillors shoot up.]
Notary: The motion is carried, and this Council is adjourned.
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In which I show myself to be terrible at writing action scenes. Sorry. -
Also, the Librarian lacks a TARDIS, so by
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To make rewriting that bit easier, perhaps the Reader and the Librarian (heh, fitting) doubled up in the Reader's miraculously fixed TARDIS?
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I thought the Librarian... by
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... was in the Daleks' timeship.
Librarian: Morgan, I am experiencing major piloting difficulties!
Morgan: Already?
Fearn: WE DESIGNED OUR VESSEL TO USE THE SUPERIOR DA-LEK MANI-PU-LATOR AS A MEANS OF CON-TROL! IT IS NOT OUR FAULT THAT INFERIOR SPECIES DO NOT POS-SESS THEM!
Also: this is the script's published document. Just to get the link up somewhere.
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PS: Yes, the Librarian's in the Dalek ship. I've tweaked a line earlier to make that more obvious:
Librarian: Jade Warden in position.
Fearn: IN POSI-TION ABOARD THE SU-PER-IOR TIME MAC-HINE-
Librarian: Would it kill you to stop doing that for a moment? I am accompanying you because I do not have-
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And hearty guffaws were had. by
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I loved this! Aside from the colour mixup and the fact that Nine should be younger than Eleven since that's how numbers work, it was fantastic and amazing and geroni-- wait.
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Iunno about action scenes... by
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But that made me giggle like an idiot for five minutes straight. Two nitpicks, though: the Librarian does not use contractions, and he's the Jade Warden, not the Citrine Theorist.
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Two things. by
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First of all, yes, the Reader does have a TARDIS. For the sake of this writing, we'll say that it's been completely fixed, or at least fixed enough that this operation is possible.
Second--Wobbles, the Reader is the Citrine Theorist/Yellow, not the Librarian.
And now to comments--all of this is awesome, most especially the Notary and her TARDIS. And I may have read the last three entries in reverse order due to the fact that I didn't check the thread often enough to realize there were new posts...I kind of thought this was some sort of AU!
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Ah. Whoops. by
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All I can offer in my defence is that most of this was written at one in the morning. =]
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A wonderful defence. All is forgiven :) (nm) by
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In my capacity as spectator and general congratulator... by
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...I call these latest two incredibly funny and incredibly brilliant, and I still love this series so very much. Wonderful! I can't wait for the rest.
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Huh. That was certainly strange. by
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I have to admit, I'm rather baffled as to what Fearn's plan is. So far, it seems to be 'The Time Lords have made a council in HQ. I'll make one too! Wait, there's no-one to join... I'll bring someone in!' He (why do I keep thinking Fearn is female?) doesn't seem to have a goal in mind.
Questions arising from this:
-What is Fearn's goal (if any)?
-Did Fearn give Lat and company the Human Factor? If not, I foresee a rebellion against his presumed authority, and ultimately Fearn + the Continuity Council vs. the Dalek invasion of HQ.
-Why isn't Tigereye Castellan Morgan doing anything? The unexpected introduction of more Daleks into HQ would seem to warrant her intervention (probably to drop the lot of them into a temporal pocket until she can get the DIA on Fearn's case - she's not a vigilante, at least not in HQ). My guess is she's just as baffled as I am about where this is going.
(Of course, if Lily's section doesn't answer these questions, I may end up writing the response myself. We'll see)
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Hooray! A new post! by
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1) I left Fearn's goal partially ambiguous for a reason. On one hand, he does like one-upping people to prove how much better the Daleks, and by extension he, can do than they can, so that's something of a goal in itself, but on another hand, I'm not wanting to constrict the progress of the story by saying "Yes, (plan) is what is happening now, and it would be out of character for the Time Lords not to deal with this problem in a very specific manner". This is a collaborative effort, and I don't want to seem like I'm trying to force the story in my direction.
2) He and the others have given the new Daleks the Human Factor, yes. If they hadn't, the Daleks that the High Council brought in would have killed the founding members within seconds for having an impure Dalek genetic code.
3) It is partially bafflement, and partially because she hadn't really been taking Fearn all that seriously. Remember, the last time Fearn came in, he shouted for a few minutes and then she dispatched him with a single shot from a concussive weapon. She probably would've thought that she could do the same any time she wanted if he got too problematic and the Doctors got tired of making fun of him, but then three more Daleks showed up only seconds before the section ended. For all I know, the next section will have her deciding that enough is enough and dropping the new arrivals in some sort of time-suspension field until she can deal with the temporal fold. It would be a bit anticlimactic, but I ended my section in a spot that I felt would leave the most options open, so it's a possibility. -
Spoilers for unwritten endings. by
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Since Lily hasn't gotten back to this yet, I figured it would be fun to give some previews of where the story could go - but almost certainly won't. I don't think they're internally consistent (in fact I meant them not to be), but if anyone wants to use any of them... ;)
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Fearn: HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? YOU WERE GIVEN THE HUMAN FACTOR!
Lat: AND IS NOT BETRAYAL HU-MAN?
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Reader: You let them build parts of HQ in the Howling?
Agent: Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time.
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1st Doctor: Well, you seem to have made rather a mess of things, hmm?
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Morgan: Notary! No!
11th Doctor: My TARDIS! She took my TARDIS!
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9th Doctor: I still can't believe these new Daleks are as 'friendly' as you think.
Lat: YOU ARE COR-RECT.
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Librarian: I believe we have all been labouring under a misapprehension. This is not the Doctor.
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9th Doctor: Who's going to stop me? You?
Morgan: Yes. [Shoots him]
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12th Doctor: Kidneys! I've got new- wait. Something's wrong.
Disentangler: Yeah, no kidding.
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Rassilon: By order of the Unified Presidential Council, this meeting is terminated.
Romana: Stand down, or you will be, too.
~
Fisherman: Jewelled statues? You turned them into-
Fearn: NOT JUST STATUES.
[The Fisherman looks round. The jade statue of the Librarian is no longer where he thought it was]
Fearn: ANGELS.
~
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/Fearn and Lat materialize in the middle of the Continuity Council's meeting room. Morgan rolls her eyes and reaches for a panel of buttons by her seat./
Fearn: HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? YOU WERE GIVEN THE HUMAN FACTOR!
Lat: AND IS NOT BETRAYAL HU-MAN?
/Morgan frowns, and refrains from pushing any buttons; the Fisherman lets his head land on the table with a thump. The Reader seems rather frightened, while the Librarian and the Notary are simply exchanging glances. The Disentangler is laughing quietly, while the Agent has acquired popcorn and is slowly eating it./
Morgan: I don't get it. What exactly is going on?
Fearn: SILENCE! THIS IS NOT A MATTER FOR THE TIME LORDS!
Lat: THE TIME LORDS WILL BURN AS YOU WILL BURN, DALEK FEARN! IN RECRUITING US YOU HAVE MADE A GI-ANT MISTAKE!
Reader: Um, is anyone else worried about this?
Librarian: I sincerely hope we do not need to be...
*
/The Reader, the Agent, and the Disentangler stand in the otherwise deserted Council meeting room. They have been there for several minutes already, pacing as they talk/argue./
Reader: You let them build parts of HQ in the Howling?
Agent: Well, it seemed like a good idea at the time.
Reader: How could that possibly have seemed like a good idea? /pause/ ...How did they even manage it? It's...it's the Howling, it--that should be impossible!
Disentangler: The PPC is good at doing the impossible. /pause/ So are Time Lords, actually. Come on, Reader, where's your sense of adventure?
Reader: /coldly/ It died on Gallifrey, as did everyone I knew.
Disentangler: Well, you're quite the cheerful one, aren't you?
Agent: /quietly/ Lachesis.
/The Agent and the Disentangler exchange looks/
Agent: Whatever we think of one another, the fact remains that we have to get the rest of the Council back.
Disentangler: Even the Notary? /despite her words, she begins to walk towards the corner which holds her TARDIS/
Reader: /stiffly/ Especially the Notary. I'm fairly sure she's the only one who would ever have bothered to learn enough fine print to talk down a murderous group of lawyers. We may not like her much, but...we're going to need her.
Disentangler: Well, I guess we'd better get going, then.
*
1st Doctor: Well, you seem to have made rather a mess of things, hmm?
/The Continuity Council of Gallifrey stares at him, and then all begin to shout at once. The various overturned Daleks in the room join in, demanding that they be placed upright once more./
((hey, I never said I'd expand them all that much... :D))
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Morgan: Notary! No!
11th Doctor: My TARDIS! She took my TARDIS!
((actually, I never said I'd even expand all of them. This one is staying as-is, due to my current lack of inspiration for expanding it.))
*
9th Doctor: I still can't believe these new Daleks are as 'friendly' as you think.
Lat: YOU ARE COR-RECT
Fearn: NO HE IS NOT!
Lat: WE ARE THE DALEKS! WE ARE NOT FRIENDLY!
Fearn: WE HAVE THE HUMAN FACTOR! WE MAY NOT BE NICE BUT WE ARE CERTAINLY NOT WHAT THE DALEKS ONCE WERE!
Lat: THAT MUST CHANGE, DALEK FEARN! IT WILL CHANGE, AND WE WILL BE THE SUPREME RULERS OF THE UNIVERSE ONCE AGAIN! ONLY THIS TIME WE WILL REIGN OVER THE MULTIVERSE!
Fearn: THAT IS NOT OUR WAY, DALEK LAT! IT--
9th Doctor: /to Time Lords/ You see? Daleks can't be trusted!
Morgan: Fearn can.
*
Librarian: I believe we have all been labouring under a misapprehension. This is not the Doctor.
'Doctor': Oh, well done! /sneers/ Took you long enough. How you could ever mistake me for that bleeding heart--
Notary: By the authority of the Continuity Council of Gallifrey, I command you to surrender yourself to our judgement and, as you are under our jurisdiction due either to your species or merely to the fact that you are trespassing on our auditorium, I furthermore demand that you explain--
'Doctor': Does she ever shut up? /Draws something weapon-like/
Morgan: /blasts the weapon out of his hand/ Not usually. We're looking into duct tape.
Agent: He seems familiar...anyone have a clue who he is?
/several Time Lords open their mouths to speak, but the 'Doctor' gets there first/
'Doctor': I'm the Master, you imbeciles.
/silence/
Librarian: There must be some mistake...
Morgan: I distinctly remember him being Time Locked, along with the Lord President and the High Council.
Disentangler: He does have a tendency to keep turning up, though. Maybe this really is him?
Agent: How would he have got through the Time Lock, though?
Fisherman: I don't think that's the question we should be asking--especially considering that 'plothole' is probably the answer. What we should be asking is, why does he look like the Doctor's twelfth incarnation?
Reader: We also need to know what he's doing here, don't forget that!
Morgan: No one's forgetting that, but Fish does raise a good point. /to the Master/ Why do you look like the Doctor?
Master: /scowls/
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9th Doctor: Who's going to stop me? You?
Morgan: Yes. [Shoots him]
/the Doctor falls/
Reader: /quietly/ I'm not sure that was the best idea, Tigereye Castellan.
Morgan: I'm charged with protecting--
Reader: /still quietly/ He was about to save all your lives, you understand.
Disentangler: /raises eyebrows/ Our lives? How about yours?
Reader: /to Morgan/ You've taken me in here, and for that...I can't possibly be grateful. I never wanted to be a part of your Council, and I still don't. The only reason I've stayed this long is so I could set up my plan--my scheme, if you will.
Fisherman: What kind of scheme are we talking about here?
Disentangler: /mutters/ If she starts monologuing, I'm going to--
Reader: Don't be daft, I don't do monologues. Not like this, anyway. Too cliche, and ridiculous to boot. Not to mention the bit where I'm not a villain.
Notary: Are you certain of that? You certainly appear to be doing a marvellous job of impersonating one.
Reader: /smiles/ That's because you're still missing information. I'm the Onyx Monitor as well as the Citrine Theorist, remember?
Agent: What's that got to do with anything?
Reader: Your villain, the one the Doctor was going to save you from? She's one of the newer PPC Time Lords, one I've been keeping an eye on.
Morgan: /frowns/ Which one?
Reader: She's been going by Wanda. And she's got some ideas that, well, aren't quite what we, the renegades of Gallifrey, have been holding as right. /pause/ She's been causing the quakes. She wants to destroy HQ--destroy the multiverse--get rid of all the enemies, and of all physical form...
Notary: /sharply/ You mean to say she plans ascension?
Reader: Got it in one. /to Morgan/ Thanks for shooting the Doctor; he's one less person for me to deal with. As for all of you--you'll be staying here. This is on me, and I'll be fixing it.
Fisherman: We're not letting you deal with a threat to the entire world alone, are you--
/general shouting/
Librarian: /still shouting/ Why should you be the one to--
Reader: /shouts/ Because I'm the Onyx Monitor, not you lot, and I brought her here in the first place!
/further shouting, until--/
Fisherman: Um, guys? /finds Morgan's voice amplifier/ UM, GUYS? HAS ANYONE SEEN THE DOCTOR?
/silence falls, but is quickly followed by frantic discussion and searching. In the commotion, the Reader slips out of the auditorium and locks the door behind her. She stands still for several moments before preparing to put the entire room in stasis.../
*
((in which I take on the challenge of writing a character who we've seen for all of a minute. Should be fun.))
12th Doctor: Kidneys! I've got new- wait. Something's wrong.
Disentangler: Yeah, no kidding.
12th Doctor: I don't know you, do I? /peers at her/ How did you get off Gallifrey?
Clara: Doctor? What's going on?
12th Doctor: I don't know yet. Let's wait and find ou--
Notary: Take that, callous renegade! Besmircher of reality-- /swings sword at the Fisherman/
Fisherman: I'll kill you, just see if I don't! /blocks the Notary's sword, and then swings at her. Neither Time Lord shows much sign of finesse or technique/ Down with your paperwork--
Librarian: /somewhat sheepishly/ It isn't always like this. Really.
Clara: Haven't you got someone in charge?
Agent: She's over there. /points at Morgan/ She's a bit dazed right now, but I'm sure she'll be ready to fend off the next Dalek attack soon enough.
12th Doctor: /sharply/ Daleks? You're fighting Daleks?
Disentangler: Well, you could say that. /pause; the Notary and the Fisherman continue to hack at one another, screaming insults that make progressively less sense/ You could also say that--
/The Reader runs through the wall and comes to a halt in the middle of the Really Very Small Auditorium. The Fisherman stabs her accidentally; neither of them seem to notice/
Reader: I've done it! Kozar's infiltrated the Dalek Assembly with, well, all on his own, actually, Morgan never showed up--why did Morgan--?
Disentangler: She's still waking up. Fish hit her.
Reader: Oh, right, yes. Well. Everyone able to find a water gun? And would someone like to remove Clara and Mr. Frobisher from the premises?
Clara: Mr. Who?
Librarian: Doctor Who, actually--
Morgan: /sits up/ THE DA-LEKS REIGN SU-PREME! ALL HAIL THE DA-LEKS!
/The remainder of the Continuity Council freezes. Then, half of it scatters, while the other half warily surrounds the Tigereye Castellan. Clara edges closer to the Doctor/
Clara: /quietly/ That's bad, yeah?
12th Doctor: Very bad. Extremely bad. /He looks down at Clara, and grins/ Good thing we're here, isn't it?
Librarian: Morgan, can you hear us?
Morgan: /jerkily/ THE DA-LEKS REIGN ALL HAIL SUPREME THE DA-LEKS HAIL REIGN--
12th Doctor: That's our cue! /runs forward/ Clara, with me! /Clara joins him/ Now, where did I put the sonic...
Clara: What's wrong with her?
Disentangler: /grimly/ Hopefully something we can fix.
12th Doctor: What if she's--oh, terrifying thought, we don't want Time Lord-Dalek hybrids running around, definitely not. Clara, did I give you the sonic, or--?
Clara: I think you left it in your jacket. The one you threw onto the console before we left the TARDIS.
Reader: I've got a sonic penlight somewhere, hold on...
/The Notary steps silently up to Morgan, ignoring warnings and evading several attempts to restrain her. She pauses briefly, and then pulls back and slaps Morgan hard enough that the other Time Lord falls to the ground/
Notary: My calculations indicate that that may reset the--
Fisherman: When'd you have time to do calculations?
Notary: /hesitates/ I--very well, so they were not complete calculations--
/Morgan begins to move, turning her head and wincing. All talking ceases, and everyone leans in, wondering what the Tigereye Castellan will say next.../
*
Rassilon: By order of the Unified Presidential Council, this meeting is terminated.
Romana: Stand down, or you will be, too.
/general gaping, and then response.../
((this is another one that I'm going to mostly leave alone, mainly because I don't know anywhere near enough about Romana to write her. Rassilon I could attempt; Romana...not so much. Bad idea. I'll leave it for anyone else who wants it.))
*
Fisherman: Jewelled statues? You turned them into-
Fearn: NOT JUST STATUES.
[The Fisherman looks round. The jade statue of the Librarian is no longer where he thought it was]
Fearn: ANGELS.
((...you know what, this is so awesome on its own that I'm not really sure how to expand it. I have vague ideas, of course, but nothing that seems to want to make it to writing at the moment. To that end, I'm going to post this now, and possibly come back to the Jewelled Angels plot another time.))
((Any comments? :D))
((...it occurs to me that that's my current version of asking for reviews. Hm. At least it's (hopefully) not obnoxious, that's something...))
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Mixed reviews. by
on 2014-02-05 14:57:00 UTC
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There are a lot of moments and pieces I really liked. The Council's reaction shot in the first piece, the whole of the 'Howling' scene, Morgan's quiet 'Fearn can' in 'can't be trusted', and the whole of the 'Master' scene (though I do wonder: does he look like the Twelfth Doctor, or the Doctor's twelfth incarnation, ie the Eleventh?)
The main things I have trouble with are - sorry - the last two, biggest scenes. I'm... very dubious about the Reader's motivations ("I never wanted to be on this Council! I have to do it because I'm the Onyx Monitor!"), and about the total lack of reaction to Morgan shooting a canon character. I did, I admit, like the Reader's explanation for why she's not going to monologue, but the scene as a whole doesn't really work for me.
As for the last one... eh. I do like the sense of complete mayhem - the idea that there's about half a dozen plot threads that we, jumping in mid-loop, have no idea about. But the Doctor is way too stable for being, judging by his first line, immediately post-regeneration. At this point in time, his canonical line is "Do you know how to fly this thing?" - here he seems entirely too calm and composed.
And, um, the Reader got stabbed with a sword. It seems like that would have warranted a bit more attention.
This isn't to say there weren't lines I liked - most of them, in fact, were good and/or funny. But for those two scenes in particular, the plot didn't work for me.
(Terrible idea for the next Continuity Council story, if we decide to do this again ever Guardians preserve us: a closed timeline where the Councillors end up going through multiple regenerations each in order to prevent their timeline coming into existence. I'm not sure how you'd make an environment that hostile - though the Alchemist once managed to get killed twice in 48 hours - but it seems like a story where the time limit is 'we have to finish before we run out of deaths' would be quite interesting)
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on 2014-02-05 16:11:00 UTC
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To be honest, the scene with the Reader's motivations...well, originally she was going to be the villain. And then I sort of switched ideas. I guess I didn't edit the set-up well enough (or at all, quite probably). And you definitely have a point with the lack of reaction to the Doctor being shot...maybe I'll try expanding that scene again, in a different way. This way was pretty much 'ooh, the Reader could be the villain--nah. Hey, let's try this plotline!' While there are pieces of it that I like, I think you're right about the flaws in its execution.
For the last scene...fair point with the Doctor. I think I was trying to jump ahead and speculate as to what his personality would be like, but ended up making him a bit too stable? Not sure. I am curious to see whether he'll act and speak anything like this in the actual show, though. Should be fun. As for the Reader getting stabbed--for some reason, she was, what's the phrase, transparent? Incorporeal? Well, anyway, she was basically ghost!Reader in my head, but I think I forgot to explain that in the text--if you look earlier, she also runs through the wall...maybe I'll make an edited version of this scene, too.
And, for the Master scene--he's meant to look like the Twelfth Doctor, although it would admittedly be hilarious if he resembled Eleven. The problem with the War Doctor is that he complicates descriptions...
(I'm not entirely sure I follow all of that--they regenerate in a closed timeline so that their timeline won't exist? It does sound interesting, though. As to how to make it hostile...amp up the tension. The Notary's been at them all to do their paperwork, everyone's been having a bad day, the Daleks won't leave them alone, a Weeping Angel snuck aboard the Disentangler's TARDIS and now they don't know where it is, a Sue-created Weeping Angel!mouse made its way into the Auditorium via the Fisherman's TARDIS, the Flowers have been complaining about the Time Lords taking so much time from their missions and now someone's suggested having a Council meeting while on a mission...there's no end to the possibilities.)
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On the terrible idea: by
on 2014-02-05 17:06:00 UTC
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I'm thinking that the Council get themselves, and probably all of HQ (or possibly reality) into a situation which is incompatible with continued existence. As one possible example: they accidentally let Rassilon and the High Council out, and they begin their ascension program - from inside HQ; all across the multiverse, people start randomly vanishing, or exploding, or whatever.
So the Council have to find a way to put it right - to travel back and undo the ongoing catastrophe. If they succeed, none of it will ever have happened - I suspect any of them who survive until the reset will remember it, but no-one else will, since they weren't involved in resetting.
But the catastrophe is making the environment ludicrously hostile. It seems like every time they enter a room, something horrible happens to one or the other of them, causing a regeneration. So - either with day-long gaps in between, or with a technobabble evil way of getting rid of the 'invincible within 12 hours of regenerating' ability - the Council end up burning through their remaining lives at a rate of knots. Their only goal at this point is to reach the reset button, whatever it is - and regardless of the cost to them (since the catastrophe will, ultimately, never have happened).
But... I don't have any idea what the catastrophe could be, other than the half-formed Rassilon notion which I don't think holds up. It needs to be something which makes HQ - or wherever they are - a total deathtrap.
Hmm... maybe a coalition of fictional evil characters with trap-filled mazes is accidentally created by the work of the Council - and given knowledge of HQ -, and their objective is to go back (and cross their own timelines) and prevent that information?
I'unno. It's all hard thinking work.
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A tweak and a title. by
on 2014-02-06 09:27:00 UTC
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The suggested title is Siege Mentality, and like Gallifrey Bickers, the story takes place entirely in the Council chamber. Due to a complex temporal event, all the portals in HQ have opened - and let all the monsters in. For some reason (to be explained during the story, of course), all these monsters, after wreaking mayhem on their immediate surroundings, head directly for the Council.
Now the Continuity Council are burning through their remaining lives, desperately trying to survive the onslaught long enough to untangle the cause of the event - and repair it before it ever happens. It may have something to do with the retro-temporal TARDIS collision they've just experienced...
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Oh, I had prelim ideas for Dis and the Agent's regenerations by
on 2014-02-09 08:34:00 UTC
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This sounds like an excellent idea that I would contribute to.
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I have a problem. by
on 2014-02-06 21:07:00 UTC
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Second Librarian is someone else. And the next ones... well, it's foggy at best.
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I'm assuming... by
on 2014-02-07 07:49:00 UTC
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... that who you regenerate into depends on the circumstances of your death. Otherwise it would be a really terrible idea: we'd all be setting out characters' futures in stone.
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...I'm really tempted to expand those. by
on 2014-02-03 00:27:00 UTC
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As in, pretty much all of them. Not necessarily by all that much, but even just making a couple of them into slightly longer scenes sounds like so much fun.
...how do you feel about Continuity Council AUs? That is, longer ones than these...
...I think I'll be writing some of this (as asides, I mean). Hope no one minds. Ta.
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Well, we do have a temporal fold in play. by
on 2014-02-03 12:33:00 UTC
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And it's already thrown an alternate version of the Notary in, briefly. There's nothing to say there aren't seven-odd other versions of the Council in the fold, dealing with their own problems (until ours tear them apart in order to restore the timeline - eh, they knew the dangers when they took the job)
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Well, I'm writing some expansions. You can decide... by
on 2014-02-04 00:19:00 UTC
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...what to do with them when it comes to continuity once they're posted :)
~DF
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What I'm doing. by
on 2014-02-04 09:59:00 UTC
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These two threads are now split into three documents, and posted on the Webplex:
Introduction: all the little snippets from the first thread, and the picture.
Gallifrey Bickers: the script in its entirety, with the various edits I've mentioned on here.
Folded Time: Any bonus scenes, alternate universes, or anything else of the kind. I've labelled it 'metatemporal events and unreal timelines', because that's nice and clear. ;) It'll be updated when anyone writes bonus scenes (and the disclaimer will of course be updated, too); at the moment it just contains my 'minor loops'.
And to add one more:
Morgan: No. You can't be here. It's impossible.
Morgan II: You know...
Morgan I: ... we thought you'd say that.
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Insert generic reply title here... by
on 2014-02-04 17:04:00 UTC
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Okay, that's it, I'm going to revive that idea I had a short while back of the Reader meeting some of her past regenerations and write it as a bonus scene/mini interlude kind of thing. (I originally tabled it because it wouldn't fit into the main Gallifrey Bickers storyline, and nothing particularly viable sprang to mind when I considered writing it as part of a PPC mission or interlude- it's really just an excuse for character development and probable drama. However, now I can just write it in the context of a Folded Time scene...drama and character development out of continuity, yes!)
This is going to be fun. And I can't believe I just managed that html on a Kindle with so little struggle.
Oh, and as for the expansions...I'm very close to finishing them. With any luck, they'll be posted later today...
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This story idea is great and makes me want to do it. by
on 2014-02-05 20:11:00 UTC
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Maybe it could be for everyone?
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Notary: TURN! I SAID TURN, YOU UNSPEAKABLE HEAP OF JUNK! [She continues to hit the central oscillator of her TARDIS with a bit of old pipe, which drowns out the thud of someone else arriving on her bridge]
4th Notary: Ow. Oh, that'll sting in the morning, assuming I have one.
Notary: ARGH! YOU USELESS - wait. Who are - no - but - but you died. Stay dead.
4th Notary: ... That's some welcome there, hun. And why're you in a big stupid collar?
Notary: Go. Go before I shoot you and damn the paradoxes.
4th Notary: Hey, hey, hey, nobody needs to shoot anyone. Let's just talk this through.
Notary: No! No talking! Get off my ship this instant!
4th Notary: Uh, how? 'S'your ship. Your beat-up, rickety ol' time... machine... aw, sonuvacrap, I'm back like the old me again? What is it with my regenerations being total douchecanoes?
Notary: That isn't even a word!
4th Notary: Yeah? Well, it oughta be. How else would I describe you and all the other yous?
Notary: Sensible. Considered. Thoughtful.
4th Notary: Only of yourselves. You hate other people. God, I wanna get off more than you want me to get off.
Notary: I find that very hard to believe.
4th Notary: Well, sucks to be you, but we both knew that already. You haven't had a day's fun in your life that wasn't because of me.
Notary: That, that simply isn't true! I have fun! I go out! I mean, I take the odd manila with me and fill out the contents with a glass of whatever hideous pigswill the barman says is strongest, but I do go out! I don't sit in my TARDIS all day!
4th Notary: Well, that was oddly specific.
???: Uuuugh, what just happened? I don't feel so great.
4th Notary: Lola? You okay back there, hun?
Notary: Rassilon's bones, I'd forgotten about that.
[The 4th Notary ignores her, running to the side of her companion and helping her up.]
Lola: Tree, what's going on? And why is everything on fire?
Notary: [mumbled under her breath] Pet names. And she wondered why I left her behind...
4th Notary: Future me's in trouble of some kind, and we got pressganged into helping her out.
Lola: Oh, okay. Hi! [She gives the Notary a cheery wave]
Notary: Keep your perversions to your own timeline, other me.
4th Notary: Technically speaking, that's exactly what I'm doing. You okay to pilot the ol' lady?
Lola: Sure. God, are all your regenerations this charming?
4th Notary: I... I think this one got worse.
Notary: If you are to help, help, but the human doesn't get her grubby little hands on my TARDIS. I ran out of bleach.
Lola: The human'll get her hands on anything she wants!
4th Notary: Promises, promises.
[Lola giggles and playfully flicks the 4th Notary's ear, then gets to work on the console with her. Between the three of them, they wrestle the Notary's TARDIS under control, the 4th Notary receiving a rather nasty burn in the process.]
Lola: Okay, we're on the right track. Dude, seriously, get someone to fix this, it's a health hazard.
Notary: So I have been informed. You'll both be leaving shortly.
4th Notary: What makes you so sure?
Notary: Because I remember it happening, right about...
[The 4th Notary and Lola vanish]
Notary: Now. Thanks be unto Rassilon.
Disentangler: Lachesis, didja get any of that?
Notary: I - what - you - how long have you been listening in?
Agent: Oh, we got all that. We got it on tape
Disentangler: Wow. I can't believe you had a fun regeneration and we missed it.
Notary: I loathe you both.
Disentangler: Aww, don't be like that. According to this lovely little video, I'm your type.
Notary: I am muting you from my end of the conversation. I don't know why I didn't do it sooner.
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That was fun! by
on 2014-02-09 08:15:00 UTC
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Unlike the Notary. Ha. I crack myself up sometimes.
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The Notary has regenerated?! by
on 2014-02-06 16:18:00 UTC
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Huh... I figured she'd been so careful with her life that she was still on the first.
Also: that was hilarious, and persuaded me to write my own story, which takes place after the events of Gallifrey Bickers (although, honestly, it has no temporal anchor - it could as easily be the end of a mission).
Reflections
Morgan finished shutting down her TARDIS' drive, and sat down unceremoniously on the pristine white floor. "Well, that was fun," she said. After a moment's pause, she sighed.
"I keep forgetting... I guess I shouldn't, with how tidy it is around here." She chuckled to herself, then quite deliberately unfastened her sash and threw it to the floor. "That's more like it. But it's still not..."
She frowned, and then looked up at the console. "If they're still watching, I'm going to look ridiculous," she told herself. "Disentangler? You there?"
Silence. With an effort, Morgan got to her feet, then addressed the console. "Activate voice interface."
"Voice interface activated," announced a familiar voice, and Morgan turned to see a hologram of herself - but not her current self.
"Oh, it's you," she said to the blonde apparition. "Had to go and get yourself killed, didn't you?"
"Command not recognised."
"No, it wouldn't be." Morgan sighed. "I enjoyed being you, you know. You were... fun. I mean, you were a bit of a ditz, and I don't know why you needed that much cleavage, but you had a good time."
"Command not recognised."
"And then you turned into maudlin old me, the grumpy drunk with the gun." Morgan shook her head. "I don't know how you bear it."
"Command no-o-o-o-t recognised."
Morgan blinked as the hologram wavered and reformed, this time as a skinny brunette woman in a scruffy jacket and trousers.
"Amelia," she breathed.
"Incorrect. This is a voice inter-"
"Yes, yes, I know." Morgan scowled at the image. "That's not like you at all, Amelia Earhart. You were never one to say 'no', were you? Seems like half our adventures were your fault."
"Command not recognised."
"And we loved it, didn't we? All the worlds we walked on - hah, flew over, more like! - and you're still out there, aren't you? Still exploring strange new civilisations or however it goes."
"Commmmmmmmmmmmmmmmand not recognised."
"Not like you," Morgan continued to the clean-cut man in the suit. "Oh, I suppose you enjoyed it as well as we did, but you were always missing Earth, weren't you, Fred?"
"Command not recognised."
"I guess that's why you had me take you back." Reaching into a pocket, Morgan pulled out a gold coin and rubbed her finger over the face on one side. "I wonder if you ever found her again, your Mary? If so, you might be the luckiest of us all - out there, living a normal life, while I'm stuck in this madhouse."
Command not not not not not recognised."
Morgan choked back a sob. "Traf..." she whispered, holding out a hand towards the short woman, her black hair tumbling over her shoulders. "I never got to..." She shook her head sharply. "I failed you."
"Command not recognised."
"I meant to show them to you," Morgan went on. "As soon as we got a break, I was going to take you out there. There are galaxies I was going to visit with you, Traf."
"Command not recognised."
"But then you..." Morgan shook her head sharply. "You found love, didn't you? Only for a little while - but longer than I ever will. I don't know. A Time Lord touches the world only lightly - it's our blessing and our curse. What would it be like to live a human life?"
Silence. Morgan looked up to find yet another face staring at her: one better suited to a wide grin than to the sombre expression it held.
"And it's all your fault," she said to the image of her first self. "All the pain, all the loss, all the failures - they're all because of you. You could have stayed on Gallifrey - you could have been on the High Council! - but you had to leave. You had to start running."
Silence.
"And would you do it again?" Morgan demanded. "Knowing what you know now, would you still leave - still abandon everything for a life filled with ever more abandonments?"
Silence.
"I suppose you would, wouldn't you? Because without pain, there can be no joy. Without loss, you never understand what you had. Without death-"
Silence. Morgan took a deep breath, then closed her eyes and turned away.
"Thank you. Deactivate voice interface."
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I may have just d'awwwwed. It is a distinct possibility. by
on 2014-02-07 11:35:00 UTC
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But in answer to your earlier question, yes, five times now. When the Time War erupted, she nicked a blockade runner and, well, ran away. As far and as fast as she could. She was 590 and on her first regeneration when she started running, and the Notary currently on the Council is number 5. This should tell you a lot about how good she is at avoiding trouble and avoiding getting shot or blown up by bits of her own TARDIS.
The 4th Notary was the fun one, and she only regenerated a couple of years before her arrival at the PPC. Y'all missed out by inches. Meh, maybe number 6'll be a bit better, despite my little headcanon that the 6th regeneration is the one that always goes a little bit wrong. =] -
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Among the PPC Boarder-inspired Time Lords, I see a couple of sixth bodies... the Alchemist went Steampunk (but then, he went non-human as 4, and female as 5, so he's not very stable to start with). The Strategist went all 'bright colours' as 5, but 6 was the one who earned the name 'the Betrayer'. And... yeah, doesn't look like any of the others have gone that far (the highest count is the Pathologist, who's currently on 4).
Still, it seems to correlate with your idea.
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What! When did you do that Boarder Time Lord thing? by
on 2014-02-09 08:19:00 UTC
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Because Dawn and I had the best idea for a Time Lord name ever, the Gravedigger, and I could've used it.
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It may have been for the best that you didn't. by
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From what I remember from what you and DawnFire told me about the planned Gravedigger mythos, having a Boarder-analogue that is also a Time Lord named the Gravedigger would have been a little too... on-the-nose. It might have thrown off one or more of the others, or at least the audience's perception of one or more of the others.
Also, the Boarder Time Lords were outside of continuity, or at least in an alternate universe, except for the First Librarian(or possibly Librarian-1; it was never made clear before Aelin left the PPC to create her own short-lived knockoff whether or not the two Librarians were the same person or not, so it's up to Desdendelle to decide that now), who started out of continuity but was pulled into the main PPC universe through a plothole after Anebrin quit the PPC to serve as a secondary replacement partner for Desdendelle's self-named Agent. Having another Gravedigger in the Boarder-Inspired Time Lords Universe would probably end up creating a Gravedigger-4, unless a truly mobius double-reacharound level of time-space shenanigans and/or cosmic retcons would take place, and three of them were hard enough to keep track of as it stood. -
I was largely joking about the Gravedigger, by
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as neither Dawn nor I dig graves for a living, and the Time Lord names in that thread seem to be inspired by the Boarders' occupations.
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I don't know why I find that sort of thing hard to detect. by
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According to the official list of all of the Time Lords who had details before the thread dropped off of the front page and people decided that was probably enough, there were already three "bookworm"-characterized Time Lords, so adding in The Scholar might be stretching it. The Blogger would be funny, though, in an entirely-out-of-character kind of way. Also, that sort of activity is enormously out of place on Gallifrey, so I can clearly see why she would have gone renegade; she got too attached to social media, and didn't want the stodgy Time Lord councils taking it away. "Ooh, look, the Cybermen are attacking again! Wait until Tumblr hears about this!" "I can't come up with a snappy comeback for what you just said at this moment, Mechanic, but once I do, I'm totally posting it on Twitter! If you follow me, you are going to get so burned in two to three hours!"
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Four, if you count both Librarians. by
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There's a scene interspersed into the final story, 'The Crowded TARDIS' (which, mortified, I just noticed wasn't linked in - it is now) which highlights the differences between them. Splicing it together, it looks like this:
Meanwhile, the First Librarian was tapping away at his tablet computer. He beckoned his possible later form over and pointed at something.
Now the Second Librarian, nodding in agreement with her counterpart, beckoned the Archivist over. Together they peered at the screen, and then the Archivist scurried off into the depths of the TARDIS.
The Archivist returned, carrying a thick book, and passed it to the Second Librarian. The latter flicked through the pages, hunting.
The Second Librarian, having found her page, hurried over to the Analyzer and pointed at something. The latter woman frowned, then raised her eyebrow. The Librarian whispered something in her ear.
The Analyzer, still frowning at the book, crossed the room to the Speaker. She ran her finger down the page, demonstrating something to him, then entered into a whispered conversation.
The Speaker had tapped [the Strategist's] shoulder, and the Strategist leant down to listen. After a few moments he stood again, and shrugged.
"Apparently," he said, "a study by the United Universities of Raxacoricofallapatorius has conclusively demonstrated that, when it comes to starship crews, a larger, more varied team is always preferable. I'm quite surprised, I will admit, but the Analyzer says the proof is undeniable."
It would be quite tricky to fit the Scholar in there, it's true. I love the idea of the Blogger, though (I'm picturing her on 'Team Flippant' with the Weirdo, Supporter, Bluejay...)
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Ha. I like that. by
on 2014-02-11 06:14:00 UTC
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"Blogger, stop taking selfies in the TARDIS!"
"Shut it, Mechanic, I need to win the Selfie Olympics!"
"I swear, every single time we get into trouble the first thing you do is whip out that damn smartphone of yours and snap a selfie of the situation. Are you trying to get us killed?"
And then a Dalek shoots her phone, and the Blogger is sad about it for a while before using it as an excuse to upgrade her phone anyway. -
Meanwhile... by
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The Librarian: "You have not learned yet that people do not change, have you Mechanic? Come, join me under the table. It is rather comfortable here."
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It happened in... by
on 2014-02-10 09:19:00 UTC
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... this thread. Impossible/Aelin asked what people's Time Lord designations would be, and I kind of... picked it up and ran with it.
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...as does the Reader's sixth regeneration. by
on 2014-02-07 22:16:00 UTC
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Well, what I know about him so far, anyway. He's a bit...let's just say, 'different'. Not in the evil way, mind, but yeah...
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Was that the one who started the Hamlet references? by
on 2014-02-11 04:49:00 UTC
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I don't want to inadvertently spoil, but since Lily revealed the Gravedigger was a thing a little above, I figure I can at least say the name and connection.
Was the Reader's sixth regeneration that future self that started scattering all of those Hamlet references around to mess with her past self, inadvertently triggering Sundering-Christianne's I'm-not-going-to-spoil-what-happens-just-in-case-I-hope-this-isn't-confusing later and creating the Gravedigger-2? Or maybe it was Gravedigger-3; I forget the numbering system we used. Because I thought that one was still female. What regeneration is the Reader on now? -
I think we might be referring to the one... by
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...who looks too much like Chris Pine for comfort.
I think we were going to have it correspond to the time when the Agent regenerates into Zach Quinto!Spock and the Disentangler into Alexis Bledel but with a grouchy Boneslike personality. And they'd be on their eighth regenerations or something. -
Wait, is that the one... by
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... who makes an unacknowledged appearance in Near Misses (as the answer to 'why Morgan was trying to sneak Captain Kirk into the [Medical] department')?
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I may have replied to that, by
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With many a sly giggle.
So yes, that is what I was thinking of, but it could just as easily have been the canon character. -
I love how off all these guesses are. by
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Well, except for hS, although he's technically building on a misconception...
Outhra: Wrong one, I'm afraid. I mentioned the Sixth Reader here because he's both the youngest-looking one to date (it's really ridiculous, he looks about twelve years old and would do well in an anime with--oh, heavens, I think I modeled him accidentally after a Hetalia character. Whoops!) He's also the most...we'll go with unstable, although it's a bit more like vengeful, at least at first--he will eventually get over it (probably), and he does have good reason to be that way. However, no, he's not the Gravedigger!Reader. You're right in that the Gravedigger!Reader is female, but I'm not actually sure which regeneration she is--quite probably the ninth, to be honest, as I have concepts for the seventh and eighth that don't match up with the Gravedigger. (On the other hand, who knows? Nothing's set in stone...)
As to which regeneration the Reader is currently on--this is the fourth. The fifth--bother, hold on. ATTENTION, LILY! Right, then. The fifth is the one who looks and acts ridiculously like AOS Jim Kirk. The First Reader died on Gallifrey, the Second Reader died leaving Gallifrey, and the Third Reader died on a PPC mission. (For reference: As currently known/planned out, Readers I and II are male, Readers III and IV are female, Readers V and VI are male again, Reader VII is probably female and possibly non-Gallifreyan-looking, and Reader VIII is possibly--probably?--non-Gallifreyan-looking. Yes, I did the initial pattern more or less on purpose, and yes, that's all the information I currently have on Readers VII and VIII :) ).
Aaaand...I think that's it! Thanks for having this discussion in my absence, it was very fun to read :D (especially considering I wasn't expecting it).
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Speaking of the bio sheet... by
on 2014-02-07 15:59:00 UTC
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Can I add the Notary to that, or is that someone else's job?
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Weeeeeell. by
on 2014-02-07 16:29:00 UTC
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Thing is, these aren't PPC Agents (except the Librarian): they're the result of a very specific thread on 'If you were a Time Lord, what would your name be?'. They're also a crew of misfits with their own TARDIS (though several of them have individual ones), and their own presumed set of adventures. I'm writing a story where the (Al)Chemist and his (absolutely awesome) companion run into the Third Doctor; the (First) Librarian has joined the PPC; I've got a PPC arc lined up which I'll need to pester Phobos for permission to borrow the Strategist for.
What I'm rambling is, unless the Notary is what you think you would be as a Time Lord, she doesn't fit the list; and even if she is, I think the fact that the Librarian hasn't seemed to recognise her points her away from being part of the group.
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Ah. I misunderstood the list. My bad. =] (nm) by
on 2014-02-07 17:13:00 UTC
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Four times. Clowns cannot maths. =o[ (nm) by
on 2014-02-07 11:36:00 UTC
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And, of course, I messed up the html. Go figure. (nm) by
on 2014-02-04 17:06:00 UTC
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Oh, someone should use the last one. by
on 2014-01-30 19:13:00 UTC
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Maybe in not in Council!canon but somewhere.
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Ugh, how could I have forgotten to put in my name? (nm) by
on 2014-01-27 19:57:00 UTC
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Continuity Council: The Regeneration by
on 2014-01-26 02:39:00 UTC
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Due to today's influx of new threads, the Continuity Council thread has been pushed off of the Board main page. In most cases, this wouldn't be a problem, but the script-story that several Boarders had been working on went away with it, and at least one person who had plans for adding to it never got to. So, I'm duplicating the script parts of the thread and moving it to a thread on the Other Board, in case people want to continue contributing to the story but might take a while to do so or don't want to have to go to the next page to check on it.
I copied the posts containing scripts(and the two immediately-preceding posts that led to the scripts) in their entirety, with the original subjects, author names, and text. The only one that was modified in any way was the last one, the new Fearn-related section that I'd intended to post two days ago but actually only got around to doing earlier today, and I still left its script text unchanged.
Have fun, everyone!
Oh, and while we're on the subject of the Other Board, on its main page, the links to the PPC Constitution and the "main PPC content page"(I'm not sure what that means, but it may have been another Board or an early version of the wiki) are currently both dead. They appear to have both linked to a site called Oddlots originally, but now only redirect to one of those "this site was not found, so maybe you mean one of these" browser web searches.
Could someone with sufficient knowledge change where those links go? I know that there's at least one person active who can change the Other Board, because there's a reminder to read the Constitution at the top of every page that wasn't there a few months ago, but I'm not sure who it is, so I can't ask them directly. It might have been Huinesoron, since he was the one who changed the main Board's header a while back, but again, I'm not sure. -
Weren't those scripts put in a GDoc? (nm) by
on 2014-01-27 15:41:00 UTC
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Not everyone can access the GDoc. by
on 2014-01-27 19:28:00 UTC
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And since the story wasn't finished, I wanted people to be able to contribute to it in its original format regardless, as several distinct script sections each followed up on by different people. The GDoc is very good for looking at it as a whole, though, since a reader can just scroll down all the way through the script without needing to click on several different posts. I just don't think it would be the best format to work in while people are still creating the story.
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??? Yes they can. by
on 2014-01-27 20:04:00 UTC
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It's a public, published GDoc. I'm probably going to split the script out - it was only one or two sections long when I put it in there - but everyone can read the doc.
Nevertheless, having the pieces all up there while it's still being written is a good idea - and certainly can't hurt!
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I was talking about editing access. by
on 2014-01-27 20:14:00 UTC
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I could read it, and I'm guessing most other people could as well, but I couldn't change anything on it, which would be required for adding new scripts. Should I be able to?
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Nope, just reading. (nm) by
on 2014-01-27 20:46:00 UTC
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:/ I suppose so. by
on 2014-01-27 11:42:00 UTC
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It makes me sad that people don't know what Oddlots is - was - any more. For years, it was the public face of the PPC (inasmuch as we had one), as well as one of the best LotR-movie-commentary websites around.
Unfortunately, Philosopher at Large apparently no longer wanted it, so she let it slide into obscurity. This is the resurrected version of the 'main PPC content page', with, sadly, a whole bunch of dead and missing links. I think I'll go and fix those now, in memory of what once was. And I'll update the header on the Other Board, too.
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Oh, um, also--I've got another thing for you to fix. by
on 2014-01-27 23:01:00 UTC
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Er, assuming I'm correct in, well, assuming, that you're capable of changing the headers and footers and so on of the Board.
We've got a typo at the very bottom, in the quote about Assassins; it should be 'noticeably', rather than 'noticably'.
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Do you know... by
on 2014-01-28 09:51:00 UTC
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... you're the first person to notice or comment on that in twelve years? I'll change it now.
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Really? by
on 2014-01-30 01:24:00 UTC
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Wow.
I shall hold that as a mark of honor, then.
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What's that in internet years? Since Rome fell? :P (nm) by
on 2014-01-29 10:41:00 UTC
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This: by
on 2014-01-29 23:03:00 UTC
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That when Rome fell, like a writhen oak
That age had sapped and cankered at the root
Resisting from her topmost bough there broke
The miracle of one unwithering shoot.
Extending the random quoting into a metaphor, yes: since the greatest cataclysm to ever overcome this community, the departure of both our founders, no-one has noted or commented on the error. Before that, I wasn't here, so can't say for sure - but I suspect it's gone unnoticed since Gaius Julius crossed the Rubicon.
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I prefer our version of Byzantium. Less eye-gouging. by
on 2014-01-29 23:37:00 UTC
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Really though, it was just a crack about just how ancient stuff from ten years ago is by internet standards. I wonder how everyone missed it for so long, maybe their brains subconsciously filled in the correct spelling for a decade?
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Heh, you know what I was doing ten years ago? by
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Being an eleven-year-old.
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Well, I was being a four-year-old, so... (nm) by
on 2014-01-31 19:04:00 UTC
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...that looks so familiar. by
on 2014-01-27 22:48:00 UTC
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I wonder if I saw it however many years ago...when did it stop being the public face of the PPC, as you put it?
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:( by
on 2014-01-28 09:59:00 UTC
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The last time Oddlots was updated seems to have been 2004. The Wayback Machine holds scans dated up to July 2009 (the last one being How to write Middle-earth Romance), so I guess it disappeared around then. Perhaps not coincidentally, that coincides with a six-month-or-so downswing in the number of active Boarders, and the number of posts made.
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Well, I definitely wouldn't have seen it in 2004... by
on 2014-01-28 16:57:00 UTC
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...as I'm fairly sure I hadn't even heard of the PPC yet. Actually, I don't think I even knew what fanfiction was yet, so...basically, it definitely wasn't in 2004. Odds are I caught it closer to 2006 (anywhere between there and 2009, really)...oddly enough, it may have contributed to my assumption that the PPC was no longer very active? I mean, up until last January, I had no idea there were more than a handful of active PPCers left. So...you never know.
A six-month downswing? Wow. Any theories on what caused that? (Or is it normal, somehow...?)
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Answering questions with graphs! by
on 2014-01-29 09:38:00 UTC
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This is a plot of every single post still available in PPC Board history (I know, I know), up to December. The white line is monthly counts; the mysteriously straight rows of black points are where I've had to use averages to fill in the gaps.
You can see that we do get periodic 'slumps' - the winters of '09, '10, and '11 all show a dropoff in posts, as in fact does '13. I'm guessing that's mostly 'summer holiday/back to school/Christmas', or simply people not having much free time.
This graph is rather more fun: I looked at when a person's name first and last appears on the Board, and used that to plot the number of Boarders at any one time. Obviously it falls down when someone like Saphie comes back for one post, or when we get a second user named Artemis, but in general, it works.
The blue line is the raw data; the red is tweaked to remove users who post only in one month. A lot of those are typos, but it does eliminate the massive one-point spikes in '08 and '11 - I'm pretty sure those are the Badfic Games.
You can ignore the massive dropoff in the last four points - that's bias from people who posted, say, through to November, then just didn't say anything in December. The sloping down prior to it, since mid-'11, is real, though.
And you can see the downswing I'm talking about. In late '09, around 20 people simply... left. And I think that may well have been due to the front page vanishing. Those are the people who had the FP bookmarked, and never made the transition to the direct link. The pickup at the end, I suspect, is from us appearing on TVTropes.
You can see a similar fall in early '08, but I think that's a data artefact - due to the low number of surviving posts from that time, the data doesn't show the new people until later, and shows people leaving earlier than they actually did.
So yeah... far and away the most active time for the PPC was back in '04-'05. Since then, we've mostly been staying level. And now? Ehm... not sure. The second graph says we've got decreasing numbers of posters; the first says we have an increasing post count. And if you look at the right hand side, the grey scribble at the bottom is the number of IP addresses looking at the Board each day: that's on the increase, too (and has virtually doubled since March '13).
So there we go. Data, data, everywhere, and not a drop to drink.
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Stuff on my agents. by
on 2014-01-26 04:04:00 UTC
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I'm about to just type all my thoughts for this character up into one thing, because I want opinions on her and I wanna know if she would be good as an agent, or if I should continue working on her.
Akishme the Argonian
Akishme is an upbeat Argonian female, who prefers cracking jokes to cracking heads during a mission, though she wouldn't say no to doing both. She comes from Cyrodill, -a shack on the Imperial Waterfront, to be exact- and can be fiercely protective of her home continuum, preferring not to tackle missions concerning the Elder Scrolls world.
Akishme is very optimistic, and will do anything to have a good time. Back in her home continuum, she was a thief, working with the Thieves' Guild, so rules and laws aren't exactly a concern of hers. She sees getting around them as half the fun to something, anyway. This Argonian is very carefree, and easy to make happy, but also easy to anger if you press all the wrong buttons. When angry, she is sure to let everybody know! She can and will get pretty loud, telling everybody what had made her unhappy and why she is unhappy with it, even if they didn't exactly want to know in the first place. Her usual mood, however, is an over-confident one. She tends to believe nothing can really kill her, backing up her claim with the blade of a Daedric sword and a handful of magic spells. That isn't to say that she's good with magic, though, because really, letting her handle it is a Very Bad Idea.
As a member of the Argonian race, Askishme is able to breath underwater, and is a gifted swimmer. Being immune to poison and very resistant to disease comes with that as well and, boy, does she need that. She seems to find trouble at every turn, most just due to her mischievous attitude and actions. She is a talented thief and fighter, preferring a sword to anything else, though she can also use magic. Just, not as well.
Some of her hobbies include collecting ("Making a mess of our RC!", as Penchant calls it.) various objects, in a borderline-hoarder kind of way, cooking, painting, and getting up to trouble. She enjoys being social and, as a result, has a lot of friends. She also acts on impulse and in the moment, which has given her many enemies as well. She doesn't really let that stop her, though. -
Agent looks rather good. by
on 2014-01-26 04:22:00 UTC
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She seems rather well developed already, and you seem to have an understanding of her abilities and her interactions with her partner.
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Really? by
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Ahh, thanks! I was nervous that she would seem terrible and it would look like I had no idea what I was doing. (I still fear not ever getting permission.) Your words were very encouraging!
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Sword by
on 2014-01-26 04:59:00 UTC
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I would like to comment on the sword though. You said she had a Deadric blade. If my memory serves me correctly, the Deadric blades were rather rare for various reasons. While it would not be impossible for an Argonian from (let's face it) the slums to have one, it would be very unlikely.
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It takes place after the events of Oblivion. by
on 2014-01-26 05:16:00 UTC
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Though you are probably right on the sword being uncommon for an Argonian thief to have in her possession. She was originally based on my character from Oblivion, and that happened to be my weapon. I may change it to a glass sword if I cannot think of a good enough reason for her to have it.
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Sword by
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Well, after oblivion Deadric weapons should be rather common.
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Rule of thumb... by
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If the character doesn't need some ability or weapon, if it doesn't make them more interesting, give them more strategies to use, etc., then you can drop that ability or weapon, because it is unnecessary detail that doesn't add to the story.
It's better to have a character with a few interesting abilities than one with a lot of abilities, many of which seem to be only for "decoration".
I wouldn't worry about a Daedric weapon as far as power or rarity is concerned; the more useful question is whether it gives you more opportunities to do interesting things with the character that you couldn't do otherwise.
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I got my agents up and ready :D by
on 2014-01-27 01:07:00 UTC
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Here are the agents that everyone here helped me get off the ground :D I hope a lot of people like them
To be quick with it, they basically discovered the PPC by via plothole created by a Mary sue (this process also killed their mother, will be explained in full later)
Dean Atwood, a quick description: Dean is a decent shot despite being far sited and knows what to do when someone needs medical attention, so between his two partners he mostly sticks to long raged attacks and medical care.
Though Dean is a nice guy he prefers to be alone as such he would never be the one to start a conversation and prefers to listen more then talk when in a conversation. Because of a certain incident involving an evil, super powered, Mary sue and their mother, both gained a very strong hate for Mary sues, though it was Dean who joined DMS.
Linda Atwood, a quick description: Linda is excellent in hand to hand combat but is terrible in long range and is so far only decent with the battlespork she was given. Unlike her brother, Linda is incredibly sociable and is always ready to talk, unfortunately she tends to talk over others and most of the time its unintentional. Though both of them hate Mary sues with a passion she became a DF because she is actually kind of squeamish, not terribly enough that she wont kill a Mary sue if her brother can't but she would rather not.
if you want a visual on them click here: http://123bugsy-universe.tumblr.com/
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on 2014-01-29 06:29:00 UTC
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So I re-did the agent info I hope this is much better. :)
Agent Linda
Home continuum: Pokémon (anime)
Age: 21
Department: DMS
Leagues: Sinnoh (top 64 in the Lily of the Valley Conference), Johto (top 60 in the Silver Conference), Unova (top 48 in the Vertress Conference), and was unable to compete in the Kalos Conference (joining the PPC being the reason) but did get all eight badges
(Note: did not compete alongside Ash Ketchum, competed long after him)
Personality: Linda is an energetic, social, and bold young lady with a love of adventure and discovery. Sometimes when she gets extremely focused on something, she forgets everything else around her. This does not get too bad as long as there is someone to help her keep track (usually Dean). Linda thinks the PPC is the best place to be; a new and exciting adventure every second, new and interesting people to see and meet (even if they are Mary sues, for they are always interesting), and every time she gets back to their RC she knows she helped the word world for the better. She also loves to draw, so it’s not oncoming to see her doodling in her sketch book form time to time.
Backstory: Linda and Dean were just your average Pokémon trainers, until they got sucked into a plothole. Lucky for them they were sucked straight into the PPC. After some explaining, Linda was instantly hooked on the idea of joining the PPC and became an agent alongside her bother. While there she and Dean became friends with another new agent named Tabitha (a magical girl) and since then they have occasionally joined each other on missions (when it is appropriate).
Skills: If there’s one thing Linda’s an expert on, its parings (or ships/shipping) she even has an art book dedicated to keeping track of canon parings, OTPS, popular fan parings, and popular crack parings. She prefers hand-to-hand combat over long-ranged (mostly due to being a very bad shot) but after receiving a battlespork of zillywut, she has been learning how to wield it properly. Both Linda and Dean own a mega ring.
Agent Dean
Home continuum: Pokémon (anime)
Age: 21
Department: DMS
Leagues: Sinnoh (winner in the Lily of the Valley Conference, also hall of famer), Johto (top 4 in the Silver Conference), Unova (top 4 in the Vertress Conference), and was unable to compete in the Kalos Conference (joining the PPC being the reason) but did get all eight badges
(Note: did not compete alongside Ash Ketchum, competed long after him)
Personality: Dean is a friendly and intelligent but is very quiet and prefers to ether be alone or with Linda and/or Tabitha. Dean actually has aspergers; as such he is very awkward in conversations and does not understand non-verbal cues at all, he also likes it when commands that given to him are very specific (which is why when he makes plans he tends to over think and over detail them). Dean is the kind of AS person who dose like physical contact (as long as it’s friendly and what he deems appropriate). Even though he has AS he dose like the life of a PPC agent (even though he is still getting use to the change) mostly for the fact that he can now do something about tough’s terrible fanfics and Mary sues. He also enjoys sewing and is very good at it.
Backstory: Dean and Linda were just your average Pokémon trainers, until they got sucked into a plothole. Lucky for them they were sucked straight into the PPC. After some explaining, Linda was instantly hooked on the idea of joining the PPC, Dean on the other hand was very unsure (to say the least). He was scared but didn’t want to stand in between Linda and what she considered her dream P.T. retirement job (or worse, have her join and leave him behind). After some taught he joined with his sister as his partner. While there he and Linda became friends with another new agent named Tabitha (a magical girl) and since then they have occasionally joined each other on missions (when it is appropriate).
Skills: Dean loves to learn about new fandoms and will learn as much as he can about them. Between the twins he is the one who makes the plans, though he over thinks them a lot. He is near sighted but this is not that big of a problem. Dean’s preference in combat is guns, mostly pistols, but he is also very reliable when it comes to medical aid. Both Dean and Linda own a mega ring.
Also I re-did Linda’s and Dean little bio pages, nothing to big in my opinion but I thought I should still tell and show: http://123bugsy-universe.tumblr.com/
I know that I’m trending on some prickly ground here but I think I can make this work with Dean having AS. As usually tell me what needs fixing and I’ll fix it as soon as I can. :) -
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The Atwoods are more fleshed out than before, but the new details raise a few more questions.
What Pokémon did the Atwoods have before falling into HQ? If you're giving your Trainers such a high ranking in canonical events(especially Dean), they must have some powerful Pokémon to match that ranking. Do the Atwoods still have those Pokémon? If so, what do they do with them?
You say that Linda and Dean will partner up with Tabitha "sometimes". Does this mean that Tabitha leaves her partner to do so, that Tabitha works solo, or that Tabitha's partner will also usually come, but you haven't hammered out his/her/its details yet? Also, just out of curiosity, which continuum is Tabitha from?
From what little information we have on Mega Rings and related objects through X and Y, Mega Evolution-inducing items are very rare, or at least only given out to certain people at certain times. Why do both Atwoods have one?
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Sorry, I really am, but I haven't talked to my sis much. Not because we're on bad terms but mostly because she is working on some things for her deviantart group and I don't want to make her feel rushed. I planing on talking to her about everything ether Sunday or Monday. She basically has the character down but there are still some things we need to discuss, obviously.
Now, about the Atwoods, I'm going to put a full list of their teams on the Board at some point but it will be after the first mission me and my sis do. The reason being is that the mission we have right now doesn't call for any Pokemon, so it would be pointless to bring any of them along. I do plan on giving the info out at least before I even think about doing any Badfics in any of the Pokemon continuums (I hope that makes sense). When it comes to were they put them, I'm not entirely sure, I just assumed that they would have a PC in their RC but if I've learned any thing about the PPC, it's never assume. So now I don't know what to say about this, I never saw anything about how or where Pokemon agents keep their Pokemon while living at the PPC, so would you have any ideas?
When it comes to the Mega Rings i'll be honest and say I just want them to have the ability to Mega Evolve their Pokemon. I know this sounds selfish but can I get away with just this one thing. Pretty, please with sugar on top. OuO
Also I went and fixed somethings with the spelling, so I'll post that after i'm done with this. :)
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I like the idea of characters using their Trainer ID to use the PC's in the Pokemon World like some sort of username, but the problem I see with it is that the Atwoods are from the anime universe, yes? If they are, I can't remember Trainer ID's ever coming in the anime at all, in fact I was fairly certain they were a game-only thing. I may be wrong (I often am), but it just caught my eye.
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username and password to access the PC, for how else is someone suppose to get into THEIR PC and not someone else's I would have no idea. :P
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the Mega Ring thing is answered.
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I donÂ’t know anything about Mega Rings, but by
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I may have learned something here:
a) Owning a Mega Ring is unusual and needs a good explanation.
b) Both your agents owning a Mega Ring each is nearly incredible and needs a very good explanation.
c) You don’t already know a point in a mission you are planning where it would be more funny (or more dramatic, but the PPC mostly goes by funny) if your agents could surprise the Sue with their ability to Mega Evolve their Pokemon.
d) Nor do you plan a mission in a badfic that is so dangerous that you know already that your agents will need the assistance of mega-evolved Pokemon. (If it even works this way. Mind, I know Pokemon only from watching my daughter play the early editions several years ago.)
e) Also, you haven’t planned a mission-surpassing story arc in which your agents and their Pokemon will develop in a way that necessarily includes mega-evolution at some point.
f) You just want your agents to have this ability for no apparent reason, or you want to keep your motives secret.
As far as I can determine, you may well end up getting Permission, writing five missions and three interludes, finding something more interesting and leaving the PPC without ever using these Mega Rings. Thus, it seems unreasonable to go through the trouble to explain the Mega Rings just to keep them.
On the other hand, you have already been called out for retreating whenever you are challenged. Saying now that your agents don’t own Mega Rings, and then bringing it up again when you actually find an opportunity to use these Mega Rings, would be weird.
So, your best strategy may be to put a meta-joke on your agent bios, like:
"They both own Mega Rings, but keep this secret, because they are aware that they cannot use them until their author comes up with a very good explanation for this incredible fact."
Or more simple:
"They may own Mega Rings, but this is still just a rumour."
Thus you get more time to think about it, and only need to confirm the rumour by telling the back story when you actually make use of it.
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could the plothole be the reason? by
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What I mean is, could the plothole that brought them to the PPC also 'give' them the mega rings.
Like, hear me out, before the plothole they don't have any mega rings or mega stones (what you give to the Pokemon to mega evolve them) but after the plothole sucks them through, they suddenly have them and the correct mega stones for their Pokemon, could this work out?
(Warning: the rest is just me trying to give a good reason to have the mega rings in the first place)
When ever me and my sister go and do a mission in the Pokemon continuum I was planing to do it like this; Linda and Dean grab the correct Pokemon for the right time period (like say the fic is taking place manly in the Johto region time period and because of this know one would know what on earth a six gen Pokemon would be and that would cause problems for the agents if they showed one during a battle) but, oh no, the sue/stu they have been sent to destroy has a legendary Pokemon with her/him! well that is were the mega Pokemon would come in to play, "but wait" you say, "wouldn't that cause problems for the agents, for as you said no one would know what a mega Pokemon is in the Johto time period." well you are right but what are the agents going to do about that legendary now?
Fight it themselves? No, that would put the agents in needless danger (and even with their skills an un-winnable battle, plus it would also harm the legendary in the processes). Have the Pokemon fight it without mega evolution? Well that could work, in them games continuum, but in the anime regular Pokemon would stand little chance against any legendary (and to have them be equal or even defeat the legendary as a regular Pokemon would make them very sue-y, in my opinion). have the agents through out their own legendary? No, for that would make them no better then the sue/stu they are fighting against (plus, Linda and Dean don't have any legendary Pokemon).
"well I'm out of ideas" you say "but what can the mega evolved Pokemon do about the legendary any way?"
Another good question, you see unlike regular Pokemon a mega would be able to last much longer in a battle with a legendary. Its basically the best chance the agents got to even distract the legendary, while the agents 'take care' of the sue/stu the legendary thinks is its 'dear partner'. When it comes to the people who see the mega; well if their just another sue/stu their just going to end up dead (or joining the PPC) anyway or if not, then they will just have their memory erased. Of course when saying this will bring this question to mind 'why not just bring any kind of gen Pokemon with them?' well it would just cause instant confusion if one just threw out a Lucario vs. throwing out a Houndoom and then mega evolving it when the legendary is brought in.
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Okay, the thing about the PPC is that our response to 'the enemy has a big weapon' should never be 'I need a bigger one'. I urge you to read Sunrise Elf for just one of many examples of how agents with no weapons managed to kill a Mary-Sue. Would it have been funny if they brought a magic sword along to do the job? No. No it would not.
The PPC suffers chronic, well, everything shortages for a reason: because it's far more interesting to read about agents desperately improvising everything than it is to read about Jaycacia Thornbyrd.
It is telling that when my agent acquired a powerful magic ring, it ended up causing him nothing but trouble. He got spotted by canons, and eventually blew himself up.
Oh no, they've got a legendary pokemon! Yeah, well, I've got a tranquiliser dart. Take that, canonical convention. ;)
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Or alternatively, you could just smash the Poké Ball. by
on 2014-02-04 00:51:00 UTC
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If the Poké Ball is destroyed, the Pokémon contained inside it is released, as a safety measure. The legendary Pokémon could then exact some well-deserved vengeance on the being who contained it against its will. Simple and effective, and you don't need to bend the rules sideways or pester Medical for high-powered animal sedatives to do it.
On another note, I never read French Pony's missions before today, since I tend not to read most of the spin-offs that are primarily chronicled on PPC: The Lost Tales on account of the pop-ups, but I'm actually pretty glad he or she only made two. Adam and Frenchie seem pointlessly sadistic. It's one thing to off a Sue in a particularly painful manner as a matter of catharsis for an Agent, or to kill her through poetic justice, but out of the two that were published, the one Huinesoron just linked has the techies laughing like psychopaths as the Sue is electrocuted in front of them and the other Sue was left to be torn apart by mini-Balrogs that French Pony twisted out of character so that they would act like wild animals. Lordy lord. It's almost as bad as that time when Rez Montrose deliberately handed her Firefly Sue to the Reavers, and her partner just went along with it. Almost. Pretty much nothing can be worse than that. -
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but of Dean is near-sighted, why is he the long-range-weapon user of the two? Shouldn't he be the melee fighter?
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gosh diggidy! I meant far sighted (nm) by
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Go-Go-Gadget Thread Hijack! by
on 2014-01-28 09:40:00 UTC
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My revised agent profiles for you guys to dissect. Sorry 'bout the hijack, 123bugsy.
RC#7149 - Department of Floaters
Formerly the All-Purpose Yugioh Department, but I can't write duels to save my life, it seems.
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Agent Jackets
Home continuum: World 1
Species: Human
Class: College Student/Amateur Duelist/Floater
Personality: Jackets is a jumpy, polite, absent-minded introvert with a nigh-insatiable thirst for knowledge and a fondness for books, SCIENCE and body horror. She also has self-esteem issues, which she is trying to overcome. She is very loyal to the organization and a stickler for rules. She truly believes that since the PPC rescued her, she owes them her life.
Backstory: Jackets was a was a college student who has found herself sucked straight into a Yugioh GX badfic. She was eventually rescued by the PPC, but instead of returning to World 1, she renounced her old name and joined the PPC as a chance to save her beloved Word Worlds from badfic mayhem and repay the PPC.
Skills: Jackets has a good grasp of multiple canons, but there are a lot of TV shows and books she is totally cluless about. She is also well-read in a number of subjects and is often seen reading books on varying subjects, even during missions. She has shown a preference to using poisons and nasty chemicals.
She absolutely has no sense of direction, and has to rely on either Catharsis or SP in order not to get lost.
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SP
Home Continuum: Yugioh GX
Species: Duel Spirit (Specifically, D.D. Scout Plane)
SP is Jackets' Spirit Partner. She found the card while wandering about and decided to keep it, since she always wanted to have Different Dimension cards. She cannot see it (yet), but she can hear it on occasion.
It is easily exasperated, but it always does its best to help her.
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Agent Catharsis
Home continuum: Fire Emblem 8
Species: Human
Class: Summoner
Personality: Catharsis is intelligent, overworked, willing to please and kind (a bit too kind for a PPC agent), with a large number of neuroses and a rather weak stomach. He is easily nauseated, disgusted and disturbed by badfic shenanigans, and has a crippling fear of humanoid abominatons. In spite of this, he is determined to do what he considers the right thing.
Backstory: Catharsis was one of Prince Lyon's researchers during the events of FE8. He went by a different name back then. He was supposed to have been killed during the events of the game, but he barely survived via accidentally transporting himself to the PPC with a warp staff. After some of his initial shock has worn off, he volunteered to join the PPC.
Skills/Traits: Catharsis has an absurd magic resistance that can act as a repellant against ambient magic and magical versions of Aura of Smooth. (As to how much he can resist is unknown, as he is terrified of Mary Sues and variants thereof.) As a FE8 Summoner, he is also capable of using Dark magic along with the ability to use staves and summon semi-disposable units called "Phantoms".
He could also see things other people couldn't. This may be the reason he is terrified of Sues. (Wobbles the Clown just plain freaks him out though. Sorry, Wobbles.)
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thats ok, but can I ask you some something... by
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can I use your revised agent profiles for my agents :?
I'm not asking to copycat anything (I never would be that stupid) but as an example of what I was thinking:
Agent Linda
Home continuum: Pokémon (anime)
Age: 21
Department: DMS
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That's more or less the standard model anyway. by
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It's been used in the majority of Permission Requests and other spots where Agents are being presented(at least out of those that I'm aware of), because it's just a good model for organizing information.
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Minor question by
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I'm a lousy shot myself, so I may be missing something here, but I'm not quite getting why "Dean is a decent shot despite being far sited". Far-sightedness means Dean can see clearly at distance but has problems at close-range. If he sticks with long-range attacks, it shouldn't interfere.
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forgot to change that, my bad by
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yeah... he was near sited at first but I changed to far sited and I guess when I was in the moment of writing I didn't really bother to change the wording, so thank for pointing that out.
In all honesty I think I'm going to re-post this after i'm sure everyone has said their piece to this one, so I know exactly what I should change in the new one. :) -
Uh... not in another new thread, please. by
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We didn't really need two threads about your agents in the top four, y'know?
(And while I'm here: capital letters! Please! And it's 'sighted', not 'sited'. The PPC has kind of a thing going about correct spelling, punctuation, grammar, and capitalisation, so please, try to keep an eye on it)
And! Something's been worrying me about your method of creating characters, and it's something I've seen before. You seem to spend your time writing things into their backstory and descriptions, and then when anyone questions anything, you write it straight back out again. That suggests two things:
-You don't really care or have a reason to put things in; if you did, you'd be better to explain or expand on it, rather than just cross it off.
-You don't seem to have the confidence to stand up for your decisions.
As an example of either or both of these, you said: 'I think i'll just get rid of the Iphones I don't know what I was thinking then.' But... this is, what, your third or fourth characters thread? Did you actually just write (draw) the tech stuff in on a whim (in which case, you're not using the threads to hash out your characters, but as a sort of 'can't use this, what's next on the list?'), or did you just... see someone ask a question, and fold immediately?
I'm not trying to sound harsh (I'm in a bit of a hurry, so I don't have a chance to go back over this), so I apologise if I do; but I think this is a significant point you need to address - to yourself - in your growth as a writer.
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don't worry, i'm not going to post a new thread by
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Thank you for the SPGaC corrections I always appreciate it, I really need to get my sister to look over this stuff.
I think I'm a little of both, sometimes I just don't think or notice something is important until someone points it out and if they do I will just fold and and change it or just get rid of it. I think I do this because i'm just trying to be agreeable to everyone and I find it easier to just change what I got or get rid of it, as I feel I have this really nasty habit of going beyond what is ok in guide lines (even when I know were the line is).
I really, really want to be apart of this group and so I feel I should just conform myself to what I feel the group wants my characters to be, if this isn't what people want me to be please, please don't be mad at me because I can change as long as I know I have people I can stand by. :) -
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Subjectivity first: Yay, you used my gifts! The little Lord Vyce is absolutely adorable, and now I'm wondering what sort of fighting style one would use with a battlespork. It would probably involve lots of thrusting and blocking, since the sharp bits are only on the end, but there's both space between the sharp bits to intercept a weapon and only a small amount of blade that a block could conceivably dull. I've always hated the way that swordfights look in movies, with people constantly slamming the blades of their swords together while they fight. Maybe you can get away with that if your sword was indestructible, or made of plasma like a lightsaber is, but if you're using a metal blade, you're just going to be getting all kinds of chips in it if you smash the sharp part against someone else's sharp part.
Also, in unrelated news, you putting Linkara and Wheatley so close to each other on Linda's favorites list is making me imagine a probably altogether-too-large number of Atop the Fourth Wall/Portal crossovers. My favorites are probably corrupted!Nimue teleporting Linkara down into Comicron One's inner structure and forcing him to portal-gun through the corridors to escape, since it would be the only way to outwit her sensors, and Lord Vyce's living data form taking over a personality core. It's only blue portals from here on out.
Okay, now to what I really came here for: analysis. First, I'm not seeing anything on this "Tabitha". If she is intended as the Atwoods' partner, she should have a section as well, so that we can see what they look like as a team as well as individuals.
When two people are partners, they would normally need to share an RC and Department. There is nothing wrong with having a brother and sister work in different portions of the PPC, but they would need separate partners in order to do that, because Departments are not interchangeable. If Linda got a Bad Slash overflow mission as part of her Floaters job, would Dean simply not be able to go with her? His purview is Mary Sues, and doesn't necessarily overlap with Bad Slash, but if the two Atwoods were partners, they would need to go on all of their missions together. And if Linda just decided to only go on Mary Sue-related missions so that she could be with her brother, wouldn't it be easier to just transfer to the DMS?
Also, if you are planning on submitting a Permission piece soon, you are going to need to get it betaed before submitting it here, to ensure that you keep spelling and capitalization in order. Saying that someone is skilled in "long-range" attacks is very different from saying that he is skilled in "long-raged" attacks, for example, and "the Board" is very different from "the broad", not to mention a few other miscellaneous mistakes. One swapped letter implied that Dean is capable of causing pain at a distance through the power of his anger, and not only does the Word World jump all over things like that, it just doesn't look very good.
You probably are going to need to explain the "a Mary Sue killed their mother with plot holes that sent them to the PPC" angle before getting much farther. Not only is that pretty dark, it raises a few significant questions, "Why did the Sue attack their mother in the first place?" and "How and why did the Sue open a plot hole to the PPC?" being the big ones. In addition, having "a relative was killed by (opponent), so (protagonist) swore vengeance on all (opponent)s" is one of those bits of backstory that will need to affect the story in some way, or it runs the risk of being trivialized, which is a nasty badfic trait. When you get right down to it, the immediate death of a presumably-beloved family member would have a sizable effect on someone's psyche, and you don't want to run the risk of being comparable to the Sues that have their whole species slaughtered in front of them, but then cheerily go off on adventures and romance a main character and are never affected by their horrible tragedy ever again. It's shaky ground, is what I'm trying to say, because following through could easily be too dark for the PPC, but not following through would be trivializing death.
Their personalities are very bare-bones, but seem decent enough so far. You'll need to elaborate on a few more traits before their final form, but what they have now is a good basis to build off of.
Lastly, miscellaneous questions.
Why does Dean have a mini-sewing machine? What does he use it for? Making tiny scarves for mini-Turrets?
Which version of the Pokémon continuum are they from? The games, the anime, or one of the manga?
When did they pick up all of their fandoms and technology? I suppose the former could be explained away by saying that they showed affinity for them during agent training, but as for the latter, I don't recall the Pokémon continuum having smart phones and wireless Internet. I'd almost say that the continuum seems to have the rough technological level of the 1990s, but it has matter-to-energy conversion, giant airships, the ability to restore life from lifeless material, and whatever process was responsible for creating Golurk and Claydol, so that's not right. -
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Sorry, just saw this and thought I'd add my two cents.
There is wireless internet in Pokemon, definitely the games and anime (not sure about the manga) if you think about. The PC, and the ability to transfer Pokemon from one place to another is one example of wireless tech, others include the Pokegear, Pokenav and the X-transciever all working like mobile phones, the first also being a radio. It wouldn't be an advanced wireless network to the point that we know today, but there is definitely a wireless network of sorts around. I'd say especially in the regions from the last two or three generations of games. -
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Also in the movies (and maybe the anime, I can't remember) they do set up video calls between wherever Ash is and normally either Oak or Tracey in Pallet Town.
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Wireless network, maybe. by
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I personally always saw the Xtransceiver and its upgraded form, the Holo Caster, more as a mobile phone version of the video call devices that the Pokémon Centers use(which, inexplicably, Bulbapedia has neither a page about nor a name for), and the PC as an extension of the Poké Ball's ability to keep Pokémon stored in data form indefinitely.
The mobile phone analogues would be wireless by default, but anything wireless seems mostly to be for communication only in the Pokémon universe, instead of being multi-purpose devices like a smart phone or a personal computer, and their technology hasn't yet developed to the point where a cohesive information sharing service exists. I can see why the franchise's creators wouldn't advance it any further, though, even though the rest of the series has shown several instances of technology so advanced that it's practically magic: if they did have an Internet analogue, the Pokédex would become obsolete, and no one would want to go around catchin' em all to fill up a database that people around the world already completed piecemeal in their spare time. -
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But the Kalos region has powersats. Surely they can get their act together enough to build a portable internet brick.
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Porygon. by
on 2014-01-29 09:16:00 UTC
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Porygon is a Pokemon made out of computer code. In other words, in the Pokemon world, if you can program a computer, you can make a Pokemon - or a hundred of them, if you want. And then you can let them loose in the ecosystem.
In a world where that is possible, programming is a serious, viable, and easy terrorist weapon. Given the profusion of terrorist groups floating around, it makes perfect sense that it would also be a restricted technology.
And, based on the games, it seems to be. Every region has its own communications-and-information device - but they are all wildly different. There's no way the Pokétch and the PokéNav are both running, say, Java. Looking at just the Pokétch, the picture we're given is of one man coding the programs for it - and, given how frankly rubbish they are, he takes an inordinate amount of time to do so.
My theory is that he's having to program directly in machine code - there are no higher level programming languages in Pokeworld. If there were, digital Pokemon would be creatable on your home PC - no one would go hunting for them, because they could just custom-build their own.
... which leads to one conclusion: if the Pokemon universe ever gets an internet, that internet would very swiftly give birth to a varied race of digital Pokemon.
Or, as we know them, Digimon.
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Seems legit. by
on 2014-01-29 19:07:00 UTC
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Now, I wonder, what would happen if Missingno entered the world of Digimon? Oh no...
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It'd immediately be thrust into conflict with the D-Reaper. by
on 2014-01-29 21:50:00 UTC
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The D-Reaper was specifically created as a security program for the Digital World when the network that the Digital World grew from was in its infancy. Normally, the D-Reaper's only directive is to delete sections of the population whenever there get to be too many new Digimon, but when it sees a program it deems to be inherently destructive, it snaps down on the threat and destroys it. That's what brought it into conflict with the DigiDestined when it appeared in the show; it had begun to see humanity as a corruptive force on the Digital World, with all of their new data created every day and all of the forced Digivolution that some of their children were introducing into the system.
A creature like Missingno, if introduced into the Digital World, would almost certainly register as a threat, if not an outright virus, and the D-Reaper would try to end the potential problem. Missingno might try to fight back, but the D-Reaper would most likely end up deleting or assimilating it due to its higher level of power, and then going back into a dormant state to prepare for the next incursion.
Of course, there's always the chance that Missingno's consciousness could be inadequately absorbed, and the D-Reaper, unprepared for an attack from within, might conceivably have its primitive mental structures overridden by the last desperate throes of Missingno's mind, leaving a dangerous glitch-being in undisputed control of a massively powerful creature of living data that can pass through the boundaries between universes. But what's the chance of that happening? -
This is my new favourite bit of fan crazy. =oD (nm) by
on 2014-01-29 10:49:00 UTC
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thanks and explanations by
on 2014-01-27 05:20:00 UTC
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I'm happy you liked Lord Vyce and I like you're thoughts on how someone would fight using the battlespork. :D
Now, on to explaining some things. First, Tabitha is my sis's agent character, so I can't tell you much or even draw her out until she finishes her. Second, so should I just put her in DMS or could could I put her in bad slash, i'm not trying to put them into different departments i'm just wondering if I can. Finally, I need to have my sis spell check my stuff more often, she is A LOT better at spelling then I am, which is why we are working together on this.
Now, to answer toughs miscellaneous questions.
Dean actually likes to sew and as such took a battery powered sewing machine on his and Linda's Pokemon journey, even though he is at the PPC now he has yet to get a bigger, proper one, if that makes any sense. :P
I would say they are from the games, as I'm playing the games with them in mind but their trainer backstory won't have the main plot of the games and will just take place in the games continuum.
I think i'll just get rid of the Iphones I don't know what I was thinking then. :P
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actually I've been thinking... by
on 2014-01-27 03:45:00 UTC
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lets just have it be a random plothole, the whole 'a Mary sue killed our mom' just seems to wangsty to me now so I just want to scrap it now. :)
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That's probably for the best. by
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If you decide to drop it, you can disregard my questions on the matter. I posted my reply before I saw that you'd decided against including the death of a relative in their backstory.
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Quick hijack by
on 2014-01-27 05:09:00 UTC
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Outhra, did you get my e-mail?
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Both of them. by
on 2014-01-27 05:30:00 UTC
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I'd been waiting for the second one to arrive so that I could respond to them both at roughly the same time.
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Plugging and asking about a story. (possible NSFB) by
on 2014-01-27 18:58:00 UTC
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Hey there!
I found this story on the Ao3 (fandom: Pitch Perfect). SPaG is all right, but the plot made me slap my forehead after reading the first three paragraphs. It sound a lot like 'Sue!Beca, but I'm not sure it's PPC-Grade badfic.
The story:
The Last Hope by peetapen
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Jesse is trapped inside a puppy's body and only Beca is his hope to breaking his curse. His Only Hope
Rating: General Audience
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Considering the fic's about an otherwise-ordinary musical, by
on 2014-01-27 19:54:00 UTC
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I'd say that a witch turning someone into a small dog in that universe makes this a pretty high-caliber badfic as it stands. In fact, it's situations like those that prompted the founding of the Department of Improbabilities. I don't know the movie that this fic is about, so I can't pick out any out-of-character charges in the short two chapters, but the dog has apparent romantic plans for this presumably-canon human, which is incredibly gross. Also, it has human-shaped eyes coated with fur, and apparently turns into the form of a naked man at random, which are both just confusing. The problem with missioning this, though, is that it's quite short and, aside from the massive genre break where a witch turns a man into a dog, nothing much actually happens. We've had missions on short fics before, but usually something ridiculous happens to the characters or numerous words are humorously misspelled and the results can be made fun of or something. Missioning this fic could be done, since there are some pretty big charges here, but it would be difficult to thoroughly mock something this uneventful.
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I'll keep an eye on it. by
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You're right. On the other hand, the fic is still in progress, so I'll keep an eye on it, and if something happens that would make it funnier/easier to turn into a mission, I'll add it to the list of unclaimed badfic.
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DEATH BATTLE! :D by
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This one pits Yoshi against Riptor. And it is funny.
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Possibly? by
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I mean, Killer Instinct was a fighting game from ages ago that got inexplicably popular, but I can't say for sure.
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Presenting Netilardo: The Tolkien Trinkets site. by
on 2014-01-28 16:29:00 UTC
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I've been working on this one for a while now, and think that, while still small, it's finally ready for public release.
Netilardo
'Trinkets of Arda'
The purpose of this site (or sub-site, or whatever it is) is to draw out some of the hidden things in Tolkien's work. It's home to my Not-So-Crackpot Theories List (inspired by the Crackpot Theories list, of course!), and a few other things. If you're into Tolkien, there should, hopefully, be something there to interest you.
I'd like to point as well at the Deep Places section. My statement about 'every character' isn't an idle comment - it's honestly true. Therefore, if there's any character you're wondering about, someone you think lacks depth, or a name you don't think has an actual person behind it, now would be a good time to ask. That way, I can have some fun playing with Tolkien trivia, and also fill out the Deep Places a little.
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*jumps up and down* by
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Can you do Haleth? I know she's not precisely a minor character, but she's not particularly major either (at least from what I've read. I'm no farther than Lost Tales), and I have a very large soft spot for her. (I think the fact that I went as her for Hallowe'en this year sort of sums that up nicely.)
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The Lady Haleth by
on 2014-02-05 14:40:00 UTC
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Lady Haleth of Brethil is in rarified company among mortals. Not only is she, alongside Tar-Ancalimë, Tar-Telperiën, Tar-Vanimeldë, and Tar-Míriel, one of only five known female leaders of Mannish nations (and in both of the latter two cases, their power was weilded by their husbands), she is also, with Emeldir the Manhearted and Eowyn of Rohan, one of only three mortal warrior-women in Tolkien's writings.
But how did she end up that way? The Second House of Men crossed into Beleriand around the year 311 of the First Age, but refused to move with the people of Bëor and Marach into Estolad, nor to continue westward. Instead, they settled in southern Thargelion, between the rivers Gelion and Ascar. The land was nominally owned by Caranthir, son of Feanor, but he lived far to the north, part of the Siege of Angband.
Haleth was born around 341, with her twin brother Haldar. Her people lived a spread-out existence, and for the first 35 years of Haleth's life, a peaceful one. At this point she was 'no-one special': the Haladin had no lord, so her father would simply have been a farmer, a hunter, a parent.
Except it isn't quite so simple. In 375, orcs swarmed out of the Blue Mountains to assault the Haladin, and Haldad, Haleth's father, was chosen to be their leader. At the southern tip of Thargelion, between two rivers, he built a stockade, and the orcs laid siege.
But how did Haldad know what to do? Where did Haleth learn the leadership skills she used when, after the death of both her father and her twin, she rallied the people and defended the fortress through another week of starvation, until Caranthir came to their rescue? The Edain would not have used such fortifications on their trek into the west, nor in their pastoral life in Thargelion. The Nandor of Ossiriand, to the south, would never make such forts.
There are only two possibilities. Haldad and his family could have travelled north and visited the Leaguer - but it is explicitly said that Caranthir ignored them, which would be difficult if they were paying him regular visits. More likely, a look at the map tells us that the dwarf-road from Nogrod and Belegost followed the north bank of the Ascar. Could Haleth have journeyed with her father to their ancient halls and high fortresses, and seen their skirmishes with the orcs? An architect who could design a stockade to hold off an entire army of orcs would be a wise choice for leader - and the gruff mannerisms of the dwarf-lords of the Blue Mountains would go down well with the wild woodsmen of the Haladin, whether weilded by Haldad or his daughter. And in after years, after Haleth dragged them through spider-infested valleys to Brethil, the Haladin famously went into battle armed with axes...
One further point: there were not, in fact, three Houses of the Edain. There were four - the fourth being the Drúedain, the Wild Men of the Wood who the Rohirrim named Woses. The distant kin of Ghân-buri-Ghân travelled west with the Haladin, and lived alongside them in Brethil - and in Thargelion. Haldad would surely have gathered these squat, dwarf-like Men into his fold when he built the stockade - and when he fell, with the best of his people's fighters, could Haleth's final bitter defence have been augmented by the disturbingly magical watch-stones of the Drûgs? -
Oh, yes. Brilliant. (nm) by
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Well... by
on 2014-02-05 11:16:00 UTC
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... the Lady Haleth (like Tar-Miriel, she always gets her title from me ;)) is already on my list of Strong Women. I'll take another look at her and see if I can find more to say.
Once I finish putting off Finduilas of Dol Amroth, that is.
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Just want to say... by
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This is awesome and I've greatly enjoyed the parts I've read so far, despite having been too consumed with building my site and other stuff to say anything earlier. I'm sorry about that. Please keep being awesome. {= )
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*agrees completely* (nm) by
on 2014-02-03 16:08:00 UTC
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Thank you! by
on 2014-02-03 13:55:00 UTC
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(What, no-one you wanted me to discourse on? What am I going to do for the rest of the day?!)
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Well, maybe. by
on 2014-02-03 21:37:00 UTC
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There's never enough said about the Dwarves, and plenty to be set straight regarding what little Tolkien actually did say about Dwarf women. How about that for a topic?
I was glad to see Erendis in "Strong Female Characters," BTW. I'm also sad we'll never know the rest of her story.
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Well, here's something. by
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It wandered a bit, I think, but I did get a few deductions in.
In all of Tolkien's legendarium, there is only one female dwarf we know by name: Dis, sister of Thorin Oakenshield, mother of Fili and Kili. She stands in the direct line of Durin (in fact, Thorin is the last king of that line, since his heir, Dain Ironfoot, is Thror's younger brother's grandson), and as such is one of the highest ranking Longbeard dwarves.
And yes, that means she has a long beard. Tolkien stated that 'the Naugrim have beards from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike', and while she could have trimmed it, the Longbeard tribe pride themselves on their, well, long beards - the elves of Rivendell joke that they are long enough to drag in the water below the bridge!
Dis was born in the Lonely Mountain, and was ten years old when Smaug attacked - a small child by the standards of the dwarves, who didn't reach their adult stature until 40, and (if Gimli is anything to go by) stayed at home until around 60 years of age. She fled with her family to the Blue Mountains, far to the west - and there she would have stayed. Her childhood spanned the most tumultuous years of dwarven history since the fall of Moria - the War of the Dwarves and Orcs, nearly ten years of war which culminated in the cataclysmic Battle of Azanulbizar. Dis was 39 years old when the battle was won.
(To compare her to other famous characters from the Quest of Erebor: Thorin was 53. Balin was 37. Gloin was a mere child of 16, while his brother Oin was all of 25. Dain Ironfoot was 32, about as young as a dwarven warrior can be - which makes his slaying of Azog (and his glimpse of Durin's Bane) all the more impressive)
Dis' life was one of tunnels, forges, and caves. There were fewer women among dwarves than men - they made up about a third of the population - and as such they tended to stay at home. They weren't required to marry - in fact, the text suggests less than a third of the men got married, which corresponds to a quarter of the whole population, and suggests that roughly one in four dwarven women did not marry. But Dis did, and bore two sons (and potentially a daughter or two - dwarves tended to have four or less children, and didn't record their daughters on their genealogies).
There was something slightly strange about Dis' family. In every recorded case, dwarves began having children at the age of 100, within a span of maybe two years. For instance, the three famous Kings Under The Mountain, Thror, Thrain, and Thorin, were born in 2542, 2644, and 2746. And, indeed, Dis stuck to this cultural imperative - her elder son, Fili, is 99 years younger than her.
But there is another data point: the time between children. Balin and Dwalin were nine years apart. So were Oin and Gloin. Dain I, Thror's father, was ten years older than his brother Borin - and there were ten years between Thror and Fror, and nine between Fror and Gror. There were even nine years between Fundin (father of Balin) and Groin (father of Gloin).
But Thrain broke the pattern - the unwritten law. His second son, Frerin, was a mere five years younger than Thorin, though Dis at least was born nine years after him. And Dis continued this minor transgression: there are five years between Fili and Kili.
But why? One possibility is that Dis - and her father before her - broke with the tradition of Durin's line and married outside the Longbeard clan. When Beleriand was broken, the Firebeards and Broadbeams of Nogrod and Belegast were driven from their homes, and fled to Khazad-dum to join the Longbeards. We know the clans maintained their separate identities through the millennia that followed - Thrain was able to call on the 'Houses of other Fathers' in the War of the Dwarves and Orcs. Was this an alliance which had long been building - one which had led Thrain to marry outside his own clan, securing the allegiance of one of the other tribes?
The ruined city of Belegost lay very close to Thorin's halls in the Blue Mountains. Could Dis have followed her father's example, marrying into Firebeard or Broadbeam blood? Perhaps. Fili and Kili are both described as having yellow beards, which could suggest the fire of the Firebeards. They also both wear blue hoods - reminiscent, perhaps, of their ancestry in the Blue Mountains. And, of course, in the movies, they are portrayed with short, neatly-trimmed beards - hardly the grooming style one would expect of a Longbeard of the Line of Durin!
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Interesting! by
on 2014-02-04 20:53:00 UTC
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I missed the part about the dwarves having beards from birth. There's an odd mental image for us naked humans. {X D
Thanks!
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The Avari by
on 2014-02-01 08:53:00 UTC
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What do they get up to, post-First Age? In the Silmaril era, there are loads of them around, and a few serve as principal characters, but I don't recall them doing much after that story ends. A little bit of research seems to imply that a number of them joined with some other Elves and made the Silvans, but also states that there were at least six clans left, so they had to have some sort of presence during the Second and Third Ages. And on a related note, who did the Avari who founded the Silvans join up with?
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At last, a cheerful one. by
on 2014-02-03 11:13:00 UTC
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No Avari ever appear in the stories of Middle-earth.
Actually, that's not strictly true.
In the true meaning of the word - those elves who refused the Great March, and thus never left Cuivienen - their only named characters appear in late writings discussing the departure. Here we learn that the Avari were made up of equal parts of the second and third kindreds (the Tatyar and Nelyar - among the Eldar, these kindreds became the Noldor and the Teleri), with two leaders: Morwë and Nurwë. Even further back in time, we come across the tale of the original 144 elves who awakened at Cuivienen, including the named couples: Imin and Iminyë, Tata and Tatië, Enel and Enelyë. Of course, their names literally translate as 'One', 'Two', 'Three' - so these may not be historical persons. If they are, any of the latter four could be Avari.
After the departure of the Eldar, the Avari lived in a very dark place. In part this was literal - the only natural light in Middle-earth was starlight - but in part it was the result of the war the Valar had waged against Melkor. Yet again, Middle-earth had been shattered and broken, and the Avari were now living in an ecosystem which was in a state of rapid change. Worse, as part of the war effort, Melkor had created the orcs - by corrupting some of the elves of Cuivienen. We know that some of these survived the war, and after the Valar retreated, taking Melkor with them, his creatures would have come crawling out. In those early days, the horror of the orcs would have been similar to that of zombies: they may well have been people the remaining Avari once knew and loved, now twisted and turned to evil.
And so, despite their mistrust of the Valar, the Avari slowly spread out from Cuivienen. We know there were at least six tribes, widely sundered, because we are told their names - six wildly different versions of the word 'Quendi'. Some of the Avari, indeed, made their way along the route of the Great March, where they joined up with the various stragglers: east of the Blue Mountains, they lived in the wild woods of Eriador and Rhovanion with the Nandor/Silvan elves (who later became the isolated populations in Mirkwood and Lorien, though at the time there was no distinction between the two forests), while others reached Beleriand and joined the Laiquendi of Ossiriand. Still mistrusting the Valar, very few of them would have lived in Doriath, with its Maiarin queen - and it is said that the Avarin Tatyar were extremely unfriendly to their kin, the Noldor, once they returned.
The Avari make one other major contribution to the history of Middle-earth: when Men awoke in Hildorien on the east coast, with the first rising of the sun, they learnt language from the Avari and the eastern Dwarves. It was from the Avari that Men first heard of the Valar, and Valinor - and as a result of their words, the three kindreds of the Edain began to seek the West. Without the Avari, there would have been no Beren, no Earendil - and no Aragorn.
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Are you done making the website? by
on 2014-02-02 21:36:00 UTC
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Or is there just no other information on the Avari, and nothing that can be surmised?
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It was the weekend; I was busy. (nm) by
on 2014-02-03 08:02:00 UTC
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Sorry about that. by
on 2014-02-03 19:48:00 UTC
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I above anyone should realize that other people have drastically different weights on their time than it may at first seem.
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I just read through this thread... by
on 2014-01-31 20:02:00 UTC
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...and it's incredibly fascinating. May I ask for Nerdanel?
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Um, this one got a bit... yeah. by
on 2014-02-03 10:41:00 UTC
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Feanor beat his wife.
The first point in this argument is Feanor's personality as a whole. He is a man who resorts to violence almost every time something goes wrong. He threatened his half-brother at swordpoint over an imagined slight. He and his sons threatened 'fierce vengeance' on anyone who should so much as find a Silmaril by the roadside and not return it - and his sons demonstrated multiple times that this was no idle threat. Feanor rallied the Noldor to form a military expidition to find Morgoth - and when the Teleri refused to help, he attacked them without mercy. Even when abandoning the host of Fingolfin, he chose to utterly destroy the ships, rather than keeping them for potential later use.
Secondly, we have Feanor's attitude towards women. His mother died when he was young, which led to one of the messiest breakups in history: first Finwe spent an age pestering Miriel to come back to life, and then, when she refused to do so in what he considered good time, he found a new bride, and switched to convincing Miriel to never come back. In all of Finwe's actions - the efforts Feanor would have been watching closely - there was no consideration of Miriel's desires. To Finwe - at least as seen by young Feanor - she was an object to be possessed, or discarded when she could be replaced.
It didn't help that Finwe's new wife, Indis, was of the Vanyar. Unlike the craft-working Noldor, the Vanyar spent their time singing, dancing - or as Feanor might have put it, looking pretty and doing nothing of value. To his eyes, although he didn't have the phrase available, Finwe's second bride was a trophy wife. Feanor, naturally, shunned her.
We also see Feanor's opinion of his own wife, Nerdanel. "Were you a true wife, as you had been till cozened by Aule," he tells her, "you would keep all of [our children], for you would come with us." A 'true wife', in Feanor's eyes, is one who obediently does everything her husband desires. He goes on to make this even more abundandly clear: "If you desert me, you desert also all of our children." Not 'if you choose not to travel to Middle-earth' - no, to Feanor, Nerdanel's options were between being a proper wife (and doing what he said), or being a bad wife (and going off by herself). He didn't even consider she might have opinions beyond himself.
And like father, like sons. In the story of Luthien, we meet Celegorm and Curufin, who - despite Curufin being married himself (and we never hear anything about his wife) - attempt to claim Luthien as a prize. Regardless of her wishes, they want to marry her to Celegorm, and thereby claim kinship to her father. When it becomes clear that they can't have the object they desire - when their second abduction fails - they switch to trying to flat-out kill her, with only Beren and Huan stopping them from succeeding. These are not elves with the faintest degree of respect for women - and in this, they follow their father.
This lack of respect also comes out in another way. Feanor and Nerdanel had seven sons, a massive number unequalled among the Eldar. Tolkien explains that elves saw conceiving a child as something of a craft project, with the result being a person who was a being in his or her own right, but also a product of their craftsmanship. While Nerdanel was also a crafter - as all the Noldor were - Feanor was the perfectionist. He is the one who would insist on having more and more sons, in order to ensure he had created the best possible product - just as he continued to craft gemstones until he had perfected the Silmarils. We know Nerdanel wasn't actively unwilling - in Valinor, that degree of coercion would never fly - but it seems unlikely she was as eager as Feanor to just keep popping out kids.
The third, and strongest, argument lies in Nerdanel's own reactions to her husband. We know she loved him at first, when he was learning smithying from Mahtan, her father. We know that for a time, she tried to moderate his temper with wisdom. But we also know that, by the time their last two sons were born, Nerdanel had completely shut herself off, emotionally, from her husband:
The two twins were both red-haired. Nerdanel gave them both the name Amburassa - for they were much alike and remained so while they lived. When Feanor begged that their names should at least be different Nerdanel looked strange, and after a while said: ‘Then let one be Umbarto, but which, time will decide.’
Feanor was disturbed by this ominous name (‘Fated’), and changed it to Ambarto (‘Exalted head’). But Nerdanel said: ‘Umbarto I spoke; yet do as you wish. It will make no difference.’
That is Nerdanel saying 'One of these children is going to die; if you don't care, then fine, leave me alone.' She is still trying to reason with Feanor - but she refuses to allow him to touch her emotions.
Later, after the death of the Trees, this becomes even more abundantly clear:
She retired to her father’s house; but when it became clear that Feanor and his sons would leave Valinor for ever, she came to him before the host started on its northward march, and begged that Feanor should leave her the two youngest, the twins, or at least one of them.
He replied: ‘Were you a true wife, as you had been till cozened by Aule, you would keep all of them, for you would come with us. If you desert me, you desert also all of our children. For they are determined to go with their father.’
Then Nerdanel was angry and she answered: ‘You will not keep all of them. One at least will never set foot on Middle-earth.’
Nerdanel does show her emotions here, perhaps in a final effort to get Feanor to listen - but at the same time she cuts herself off entirely from her family. Tolkien said that the Eldar would never speak of 'having' children - they would say 'two children are added to my house', for instance - but here Nerdanel reduces her sons to the status of objects: 'You will not keep all of them', she tells Feanor, and even as she pronounces a sentence of death on one of the twins, we hear her unspoken words: 'Just as you cannot keep me.'
Nerdanel was abused by her husband, who saw her as little more than a tool - or, later, an obstacle. Is it certain that the abuse was physical? No - but knowing what we do of Feanor, it seems a safe, if tragic, bet.
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Wow. Thank you. Wow. I never thought of it that way. (nm) by
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Neither did I. by
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That's part of the... well, in every other case, fun of doing this: it gives me an excuse to put the pieces together and discover these things. Unfortunately, sometimes the results aren't... very nice.
That's why I decided to 'spoil the ending' on that one: I kind of didn't want people expecting a happy ending and getting more and more disturbed.
Blah, time for something more cheerful: did you know Eol might be Celeborn's foster-father?
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I did not. Simply fascinating. (nm) by
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Quick question... by
on 2014-01-29 12:45:00 UTC
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Do you happen to know of any resources on the Haradrim language? I can't find any, y'see. My Google-fu is weak. =]
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Now that's a very tricky one. by
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The thing is, in all of Tolkien's writings, there are... um... two words of Haradrim origin:
-Mûmakil, singular Mûmak, the giant elephants of Harad. This at least tells us how you form plurals in Haradrim (add -il).
-Incánus, said to be derived from Haradrim 'North-Spy', as Inkā-nūsh. That means one of those words is either an adjective ('Northern') or a genitive ('of the North')... but we have no way of knowing which.
Oh, I beg your pardon:
-Variag is a Haradrim word for some or all of the people of...
-Khand, a nearby country, so the name may at least be related.
-Umbar is apparently a Haradrim loanword, though its meaning is unknown. We might hypothesise 'Haven', and stick a circumflex over the U, but we'd be stabbing in the dark.
We can draw a few conclusions about phonetics - they were fond of the hard K sound, and can modify at least some vowels with accents - but other than that (and the -il ending), there is nothing to go on.
Nothing from Tolkien, at any rate. The Middle-earth Role Playing series contains about half a dozen supplements on Harad, but the MERP Wiki suggests that its 'Haradaic' was basically a mashup of 'serbo-croatian, arabic, persian and fantasy-forms'. As far as I can tell, there is no Haradrim language.
In fact, the only Tolkien languages it's possible to learn to any significant degree are the various Elvish tongues - Quenya, Sindarin, Telerin, and Primitive Eldarin - Adunaic, and with a lot of effort, Westron. Even the Black Speech, if assumed to be identical with Orcish, has only three sentences associated with it. Ardalambion is a good place to find out what's available. (Tolkien apparently wrote a grammar for Taliska, Beren's mother-tongue - but it's never been released. Sad face)
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Given how little Tolkien tries to develop Back Speech... by
on 2014-01-30 04:56:00 UTC
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Can we employ Peter Jackson's version? If the linguists working on it worked the grammar, then it can be used as basis for new language. Granted, it wouldn't be Tolkien's anymore. But the eastern world can be fleshed out even more.
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According to David Salo... by
on 2014-01-30 09:22:00 UTC
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... there's not even a lot of that. He lists all the Orcish words he invented for the Hobbit movies here. Wikipedia's article on the Black Speech gives a two-sentence phrase he came up with in that; I haven't been able to find anything more.
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Much like Malay then. by
on 2014-01-30 10:48:00 UTC
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We do borrow word from other languages. We as users of the langauge aren't keen to make up new words. Instead, we also used old word we have and reused it for a new definition, or changing it only adding suffixes, prefixes, and midfixes to our words if necessary. Example:
Tikus: a mouse or rat.
(Te)tikus: a computer mouse.
Even Malay have many dialects that may not be intelligible across Malaysia and Indonesia. Some orc tongues may not be understood by other orcs too. So there is a lot of legroom to develop the language. Or languages. -
Ah. At least there's something. by
on 2014-01-29 14:23:00 UTC
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I was just interested in continuing my Haradrim Tenth Walker fic and I didn't want to step on any toes. The lands to the south and east of Gondor are intensely fascinating to me, though I admit I find the image of Boromir leading a Mumakil charge rather wonderful.
We know that, canonically, the Haradrim army that fought for Sauron was absolutely vast, and from what I've been able to gather the Men of Near and Far Harad alike are a loose collective of tribes almost perpetually at each other's throats for one reason or another who only came together under Sauron because they were scared of his insane orc army. What gives me pause when talking about their army, however, is that Tolkien simply didn't care about the weird brown people from the south. We don't know how they fought, though there are some reasonable guesses we can make via extrapolating from real-world tactics, but more importantly we don't know why they fought. How did Sauron's minions first approach the Haradrim? Were the Blue Wizards trying to negate his influence? What hell could Sauron have unleashed if he'd got his claws into more of the tribes of Far Harad, where the Men are alluded to have bred with trolls? I really want to explore that in more detail, but there's nothing to go on and making huge, sweeping additions to Tolkienian canon is a charge around these parts.
Truth be told, I'm scared to do it; I don't want the really hardcore LotR fans to stab me in the gizzards for missing something when I'm writing this story. That said, I really want to tell it; the Haradrim have been ignored for far too long. =] -
Not quite about characters, but... by
on 2014-01-28 20:20:00 UTC
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What about elven ship-naming conventions? There are definitely sea-faring folk among the Elves--Alqualonde and the Grey Havens, anyone?--and a large number of the Noldor sailed to Valinor at the end of the First Age (and others did so as well in the subsequent Ages). While the only ship-name that springs to mind at the moment is Vingilot, there must have been others--or at least, I assume there were. Care to dig into how often ships were given names, what those names were inspired by, and so on?
(Why, yes, this is related to my previous call for help about translating a Noldorin Elf's Quenya name. How lovely that you noticed. What do you mean, I'm talking to myself?)
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Ships by
on 2014-01-29 12:38:00 UTC
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Now that is a tricky one. So tricky, in fact, that I have two answers.
In all the recorded history of Middle-earth, there are eight ships whose names we are told:
-Eärrámë (Q. 'Sea-Wing'), the ship of Tuor and Idril.
-Vingilótë (Q. 'Foam-Flower')/Vingilot (S.)/Rothinzil (Ad.), Eärendil's ship.
-Entulessë (Q. 'The Return'), the first Numenorean ship to return to Middle-earth.
-Númerrámar (Q. 'West-Wings'), a ship of Numenor.
-Palarran (Q. 'Far-Wanderer'), ditto.
-Hirilondë (Q. 'Haven-Finder')/Turuphanto (Q. 'Wooden Whale'), ditto.
-Eämbar (Q. 'Sea-Home'), a floating Numenorean headquarters.
-Alcarondas (Q., meaning unclear)/Aglarrâma (Ad.), the 'Castle of the Sea', Ar-Pharazon's great ship. Its name contains 'alcar', glory (and in Adunaic, 'aglar').
Every one of these ships is named in Quenya - right down to the one built by the biggest elf-hater of them all. Clearly, that's just how ships are named; since Tuor and Eärendil both learnt the art from Cirdan, they probably picked the habit up from him, as well.
Further, we can point out that every name has meaning. You don't name your ship after your mother or what have you - you name it after its role (as Entulessë), or as a description (Alcarondas, probably), or in one case after your house (Eärrámë - Tuor was the Lord of the House of the Wing in Gondolin). So that's answer number one.
But... every one of those ships was built by men - six of them, in fact, by Numenoreans, and the other two by the father and grandfather of Elros Tar-Minyatur, first King of Numenor. We know that the elves built ships, too - at Alqualonde, on the Falas, on Balar, at Mithlond and Edhellond. But of all those ships - the Swan-Ships of the Teleri, the ship of Amroth - we are never given a personal name. The only Elf-built ship which does have a name is the ship that bears the Ringbearers West - and it's known simply as 'The White Ship'. Tolkien could certainly have slipped in the Quenya form, Lossecirya or Ciryalosse, but he chose not to.
So do the Eldar actually name their ships? Given how the Teleri thought of theirs - as practically alive - I'm tempted to wonder whether they believed that each ship had its own name, intrinsic to it - and not discoverable by them (at least, not yet). On the other hand, these are elves we're talking about; their whole thing, right from the start, was assigning names to things, and awakening them.
I don't know. But I'm reminded of Philosopher at Large's comment on the fact that the Silmarillion doesn't bother to name the Ten who stood by Finrod when he left Nargothrond - because it is the elven history of Middle-earth, and they already know who they are. Could it be that the individually-crafted ships of Cirdan and the Teleri are so unique that they don't need names - that the Eldar can tell which ship they're seeing at a glance, and know which one you're talking about just by the character you describe.
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Hm...this bears thinking about. by
on 2014-02-04 00:07:00 UTC
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The thinking, mind you, should (and will) be combined with a bit of research related to who precisely built the ships the Noldor returned to Valinor in at the end of the First Age. Why, you ask? Well...nah, spoilers, but I have my reasons. I suppose they could each just be referred to as '____'s ship', but how would the groups aboard each ship be divided? How many Noldor even returned? How many ships were there?
...yeah, I've got some reading to do. Thank you very much for all of this; it will probably end up being helpful (I hope), and, at the very least, it's fascinating.
One more topic, this time a person (and unrelated to my previous questions): Finduilas, sister of Imrahil, wife of Denethor, and mother of Boromir and Faramir. What do we know about her? What would she have been like? How different do you think her family's lives, not to mention the War of the Ring, would have been had she lived?
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Finduilas by
on 2014-02-05 13:54:00 UTC
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This... sigh. This is going to be another miserable one, isn't it?
Finduilas of Dol Amroth is about as tragic as her First Age namesake. Actually, her father, Adrahil II, seems to have had something of an obsession with the original Finduilas: his other daughter, Finduilas' elder sister, was named Ivriniel, after the Pools of Ivrin - and therefore after the nickname Gwindor gave Finduilas, Faelivrin.
Why did Adrahil attempt to disguise his reasons for his elder child's name, but abandon such deception for Finduilas? We might almost suppose a disapproving relative. While his father, Angelimir, lived until 2977 - well after Finduilas' birth - we know nothing of his mother. Might she have been from a family which disapproved of the legends of the Elder Days - perhaps even a family who traced their descent back to Harondor, the Umbar-influenced southern province of Gondor which had been finally taken by the Haradrim in 2885. If she were the same age as Angelimir, she would have been some 22 years of age at the time - plenty of time for her to have picked up on the cultural, Black Numenorean influenced (though of course not actively evil) prejudices of her homeland.
Finduilas lived in an era of tension in Gondor. Twenty years before her birth, the kingdom had finally been forced to abandon most of Ithilien, while Harondor - as mentioned - had fallen fifty-odd years previously; in 2951 - the year after her birth - Sauron openly declared himself in Mordor. The Corsairs of Umbar were an ever-present threat to Dol Amroth - up until 2980, when a certain 'Thorongil' of Gondor (or Aragorn, as we later know him) burned their fleet.
But by that time, Finduilas was no longer in the city. In 2976, she was wed to Denethor, son of the Ruling Steward, and moved to Minas Tirith. The following year, her grandfather - the man who must surely have arranged such an advantageous marriage - died, leaving her father as Prince of Dol Amroth - and thus unable to visit his daughter. Finduilas, who had grown up in a Sindarin-speaking city by the sea, was now stranded, cut off from her family, speaking Westron in the shadow of the mountains.
Her new husband was twenty years older than her - at the time of their marriage, 46 to her 26 - and he seems to have been rather eager to beget an heir. Certainly there were only two years between their marriage and the birth of Boromir, indicating conception around a year after the wedding. Denethor was wise, noble, and proud - but while we are told he was deeply in love with Finduilas, we can't really imagine him whispering sweet nothings to her. Her husband's older sisters were around twice Finduilas' age, so unless her own sister travelled to Minas Tirith with her - unlikely, since in most cultures, the older sibling marries first, suggesting Ivriniel was already wed - Finduilas would have no real peers.
Instead, she turned to her books - the same books of ancient lore and tales that her younger son would later come to love. In this, she perhaps grew closer to her father-in-law: Ecthelion named his son after a famous elf of the First Age, Denethor of Ossiriand, and may well have shared Findulias' birth-father's interest in the Elder Days.
In 2983, Faramir was born, leaving Finduilas weakened - and the following year, Ecthelion died. Denethor now became more and more consumed by the affairs of the city and kingdom, leaving little time for his wife - and he certainly wouldn't have been interested in sharing tales out of the Elder Days with her (neither Boromir nor Faramir bear elven names). The shadow of Mordor hung heavy on her heart, bringing to mind the darkness of Morgoth which ultimately consumed Beleriand. She pined for the Sea - and perhaps, in part, this came from her knowledge that the only escape from darkness, for the Eldar at least, lay to the West. With only a tiny splinter of elven blood, Finduilas could never hope to sail the Straight Road - but the Sea would still be, to her mind, a defence, a shield, a last resort.
Finduilas grew weaker and weaker. Boromir, now a grown child, would have spent his time with his father, in training to become the next Steward. Only Faramir was left for Finduilas to read her stories to, and to share her dreams - including, perhaps, that famous image of a great wave overcoming the land.
And as she felt her death approaching, could she have resisted going back to that story she must have heard during her childhood - and must also have avoided from then on - the Lay of the Children of Hurin, with its heartbreaking account of her namesake's betrayal and death? Their stories were so different - but they had come, as Finduilas surely realised, to the same place. The House of Hurin had brought ruin upon them both - for the line of the Stewards bore the same name as Turin's father.
And, somewhere in the dusty libraries of Minas Tirith, I can imagine you would find a scroll, carefully rolled, bearing the story of Turin and Finduilas in a fair hand - with one passage lightly underlined:
"And this last I say to you: she alone stands between you and your doom. If you fail her, it shall not fail to find you. Farewell!"
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Most of them. by
on 2014-02-04 09:35:00 UTC
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(I'll get to Finduilas later)
Most of the Noldor - and, for that matter, of the Sindar - who survived the First Age sailed straight to Valinor. In the Second Age, apart from such far-wandered as Thranduil's family, or Maglor, there were two Elven kingdoms: Lindon, run by the High King of the Noldor, and clinging on to what little was left of Beleriand, and Eregion, also led by Noldor (Galadriel, then Celebrimbor). There was no kingdom of the Sindar.
Of course, it's that 'most who survived' that makes things difficult. The survivors I can think of are:
-Galadriel, Celeborn, and anybody with them. They seem to have left Beleriand before the War of Wrath.
-The refugees of Nargothrond, Gondolin, Doriath, the Falas, and the Havens of Sirion, all on the Isle of Balar under Gil-Galad. This is the group that included Cirdan, and probably formed the population of Lindon.
-The remaining Feanorians roaming in East Beleriand, down around Amon Ereb. Their leaders were dead, but there were probably some still there.
-The Nandor of Ossiriand.
(Side note: I actually want to plot out the 'who went where' chart; it might be quite interesting)
We know that the Feanorians wouldn't really be welcome anywhere, and therefore almost had to have sailed West. I imagine a large part of the Balar contingent did, too: their choice was between going to Aman, or clinging to the last remnants of their old life. Gil-Galad stayed, and tried to remember the glory of Beleriand. I don't think most people would be up for that.
The Eregion group probably mostly stayed; they'd already found themselves a new path. And the Nandor? Their forests were gone, and there's no indication of a large resettlement operation - neither Mirkwood or Lorien shows signs of it (and, in fact, the Nandor had always been against having a king, for cultural reasons: apart from Eregion-of-the-smiths, every Elven nation was a monarchy at this point). So I think the Nandor finally finished the journey they started at Cuivienen, and sailed West.
What ships did they sail? We know the Host of the West came over in swanships of the Teleri, and based on the previous battles that had been fought, we can guess large numbers of them died. Was there enough space to just take everyone across now?
A second option is Balar - as an island, it probably had a large fleet of ships, but once they moved to Lindon, they were no longer needed. In fact, they could have docked at Mithlond, the Grey Havens, for Cirdan to fit them up for the ocean voyage.
As for how to distinguish the ships... to render it human-understandable (if you accept my no-names theory), I'd use adjectives:
"Melleth stepped aboard the sleek ship, looking out over the water. Her love had already sailed, his proud vessel cutting through the surf as it sailed to the Undying Lands. Now it was time to follow.
"Melleth turned, taking in her last sight of Middle-earth: the shattered remnants of the tall Blue Mountains, the pitiful gaggle of huts that Gil-Galad called a kingdom. How little it resembled the glory of Gondolin, or of Eithel Sirion before its fall!
"There was no point lingering, none at all. The master of the sleek ship stood by the boarding ramp, waiting for the last passengers, and then they would be off, leaving the mortal lands forever in their sleek vessel. Melleth closed her eyes. Despite everything - she would miss it."
'The sleek ship' is different to 'the proud ship', which is different to 'the flighty ship', and so on. This isn't quite how I imagine the Eldar would think of it - actually, they wouldn't necessarily think a name, but rather remember with that strange living memory the way the ship feels - but it might be how they'd say it.
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Here's one for you. by
on 2014-01-28 19:48:00 UTC
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Celebrian. IIRC she's mentioned just a few times, the longest being a few lines in the appendices. To be frank, I'd like to know more... not to mention that there's a certain Legendary Badfic that somehow managed to ruin what little character she has.
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Ah, Celebrian. by
on 2014-01-29 10:33:00 UTC
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You're right that we know very little about Celebrian, apart from the tale of her capture and departure into the West. But still, there's a little to go on.
We don't actually know when Celebrian was born - but we can make a few guesses. The first time she is mentioned is way back in 1300 S.A., living in Eregion with her parents, shortly before they moved to Lorien. Eregion was founded around 700 S.A. - and I think that marks a good candidate for Celebrian's birth.
We know that elves didn't have children in times of war and upheaval. What better time to start a family than when you've just founded a nice, safe kingdom? The turmoils that marked the end of the First Age are over. You have Lindon as an ally in the west, Moria to the east - you're safe.
And then there's her name. 'Celeb-' is silver, while 'Rian' apparently derives from 'Crown-gift'. There's an obvious reference there to her hair (if, indeed, she had silver hair), as well as to her parents' names - Celeborn, and Galadriel (and yes, that is the same element - 'Maiden crowned with a festive garland'). So... if there's two meanings to her name already, why not assume a third? A silver crown or circlet seems a perfect ornament for the Lord and Lady of Eregion (Galadriel and Celeborn ruled there before Celebrimbor did); could 'Celebrian' also mean 'A gift from the silver crown'? It's speculative, but I think a birthdate of around 700 S.A. is plausible.
Around 1350-1400 S.A., Galadriel and Celeborn moved to Lorinand, the later Lothlorien. Since we know Celebrian didn't die in Eregion four hundred years later, it seems likely that she moved with her parents - and thus watched from afar as her childhood home was destroyed by Sauron's orcs. I can't imagine that was a very pleasant experience.
And then... nearly two thousand years pass before the next major event: the War of the Last Alliance. We know that Celebrian met Elrond at some point (she married him, after all) - could this have been when, with him as Gil-Galad's herald, her as part of the forces of Amdir of Lorinand? We don't know what role she took - elves didn't forbid women from becoming fighters, but she could equally have been a healer - but given what happened to Eregion, we can be certain she did take part. Amdir's forces were caught in the Dead Marshes during the Battle of Dagorlad - should we picture Celebrian anxiously waiting for news of her parents (remember, Galadriel's mother named her Nerwen, 'Man-maid' - she was a fighter, too!), or should we picture her clawing her way out of the swamp, fending off orcs with a mud-caked sword? Either is possible.
Celebrian spent the next couple of millennia with her husband (they married in 109 T.A.). Like most elves, they had their children fairly quickly, and fairly close together - the twins in 130, Arwen in 241. This isn't to say that Rivendell was perfectly safe - it sat in the eastern marches of Rhudaur, the first province of Arnor to fall to the Witch-King. Angmar rose in 1300 T.A., and for the next six hundred years Rivendell would have been in a state of tension. They were allied with Arthedain, and with Lindon - but the road between was owned by the hill-men of Rhudaur, and a dangerous route indeed. Although further away, Lorien would have been a closer friend.
And then, nearly 2000 years after her own children had been born, Celebrian found herself as a foster-mother to Arahael, son of the chieftain of the Dunedain. In fact, this was a role she continued in for the next five hundred years, fostering (with her husband, of course) a full eight future chieftains. Did she know, with some inkling of her mother's foresight, that her daughter would be bound to a future member of the line of Elendil - one of the descendents of the little mortal boys she cared for, watched grow up, grow old, and die? I don't know. Perhaps. Certainly she would have seen in them the likeness of their forefathers - both the ones she helped raise, the ones she had seen from afar as rulers of Arthedain and Arnor (and remember, Valandil son of Isildur was also raised in Rivendell), and even all the way back to their first ancestor: Elros, her husband's mortal brother.
Celebrian's injury happened in 2509 of the Third Age, while she was travelling to visit her parents in Lorien. This is not a happy time in Middle-earth: Sauron had returned from the East some 50 years earlier as the Necromancer, prompting the formation of the White Council. The Ring had just been discovered by Deagol, and in 2480, Sauron had sent orcs to fill the caves of the Misty Mountains (and reoccupy Moria). We say that Celebrian was just going to visit her parents - but given the new danger of the journey, how likely is that? Of course, she'd made the trip hundreds of times before, but she wasn't stupid: she knew that the High Pass was dangerous.
Far more likely, then, is that she was travelling as part of a messenger party, from Elrond (of the White Council) to Galadriel (ditto). Yes, she likely went along in order to see her family - but the trip as a whole had a different purpose. Given the surrounding events, I think I even know what:
In 2509 - the same year Celebrian was captured - Gondor was under siege. Cirion the Steward called for help - specifically, from the Éothéod of the northern vale of Anduin. In 2510, Eorl rode south, won the Battle of the Field of Celebrant, and founded Rohan. I can't imagine Galadriel would have let Cirion's messengers pass by without remarking on it - and sending messages to the rest of the White Council. When Elrond wanted to reply, Celebrian asked to travel with the messengers - and so the story unfolded.
So yeah... not a lot to say, really. ;)
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Interesting. by
on 2014-01-29 13:24:00 UTC
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And that's actually quite a lot, you know.
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Well, you asked. by
on 2014-01-29 14:17:00 UTC
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The children of Elrond are interesting, in that they all appear on-page, but tell us next to nothing about themselves.
Elladan and Elrohir were born in 130 T.A., their sister Arwen some hundred years later - which, by the time of the War of the Ring, makes them essentially the same age. By the year 350, they would all have been well into adulthood. They would have known that they had a Choice to make, the choice between elven immortality and the Gift of Men - but they also knew that it was far into their future.
Still, it's hard to imagine they wouldn't have thought about it occasionally, and watched the events around them with a judging eye, trying to determine which life was 'better'. They would have seen, and visited, the fading remnants of the elven kingdoms - Lindon and Mithlond, Lorien and Greenwood - and would have watched the Kingdoms of Men grow into their full glory.
But then, on the flipside, they would have seen the dissolution of Arnor, and the northern Dunedain falling into civil war. They would all have witnessed the rise of Angmar - and this is where they actually step into history, for we know that the Eldar actually fought in some of those wars. Were the children of Elrond among them? Elladan, Elrohir - and even Arwen, because the Eldar didn't believe that 'women can't fight'.
Whether they took part in the wars or not, it must have made them distinctly dubious about the mortal side of their ancestry. With all the infighting, the shattered North Kingdom was a showcase of the worst men had to offer - and in the end, it was betrayal and indifference by the South Kingdom of Gondor that led to Arthedain's final ruin.
But then the coin flips the other way. A darkness awakens in Moria - and rather than helping to fight it, or the orcs which follow, Amroth of Lorien shuns the dwarves. Galadriel and Celeborn, still living in Lorien, go along with this - if, indeed, it wasn't Galadriel's suggestion, her foresight showing her a hint of what the dwarves had uncovered. Then, too, came the great shock of Amroth's death, drowning while trying to cross the Sea - a reminder that even for the Eldar, the passage West was not a foregone conclusion.
And in 2012 T.A., a small boy was brought to their house: a cousin of theirs, Elrond would have told them, though far removed in generation. Arahael, and all the little boys who followed him, showed Elrond's children what mortal men were truly like: the innocence, the honour, the glory, and, yes, the corruption, the wickedness, the thoughtlessness. It's hard to imagine Elrond didn't know what he was doing: showing his children both sides of their choice, not hiding anything, trusting them to make their own decisions.
Then comes the great shift: Celebrian is attacked, and departs for Valinor. Arwen, whether she used to be a warrior or a healer, actually seems to suffer from depression after this - she turns inwards, to the point where her sewing a banner for Aragorn is viewed as a great achievement. We know she spent time in Lorien, on Cerin Amroth - the memorial to their lost king, and in her mind, to her departed mother. Perhaps she found some peace in the timelessness of the Golden Wood.
And then came Aragorn - one of the endless stream of little boys, now grown up, a cousin become a vision out of the past. What did Arwen see in him, that made her fall so deeply in love with him - that drew her out of herself and let her help and support him? Well, she was in Lothlorien at the time... did she look into the Mirror? Perhaps.
But what about her brothers? They, too, became obsessive after Celebrian's departure - but their obsession was with hunting and killing orcs. They rode with the Dunedain on their hunts - they took those little boys and followed them into battle, defending the lands around so that no-one else would have to suffer as they did.
We all know their story in the War of the Ring, I won't repeat it here - but what about after? Arwen, of course, married Aragorn and later died, but her brothers? Tolkien remains silent on whether they sailed at last to Valinor, or stayed behind to become mortal.
To find out, let's go right back - back to their names. Names are often significant to the Eldar, and these weren't just any children - they were the sons and daughters of Galadriel's child, a child who may well have shared her mother's gift of foresight.
Arwen Undomiel is the only one known to have two names - and the first, interestingly, has the same meaning as her grandmother's. Ar-wen, 'Noble Maiden', is not so different from Galadriel's father-name, 'Artanis', 'Noble Woman'. And the second?
The Evenstar is Eärendil, Arwen's grandfather (Elrond's father). So already she is named for her two greatest grandparents - but the Evenstar name has more significance than that. Lingering in the West after the sun sets, it is a guide to the Eldar, leading them along the Straight Road - and when it fades, night has truly come.
The name is prophetic, in more ways than one. So... could the twins' names be, too? The Elf-Rider Elrohir, and the Elf-Man Elladan: might it be that Elrohir was foreseen to become a brave knight in the war with Angmar, and ultimately to choose to be an elf, while Elladan, moved by the plight of mortals, elected to join them? If so, it would be a mirror to their father's life: his own twin brother, Elros, became a mortal king, while Elrond became a powerful Elf Lord.
But like all things elven, this mirror had faded by the Fourth Age. There were no kingships or lordships remaining: just the Straight Road into the West, or life in the Last Homely House as the Reunited Kingdom grew bright and glorious - without the Eldar.
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on 2014-01-29 23:17:00 UTC
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I really love details about minor characters... so another question. Uglúk and Grishnákh, who are they?
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Here you go. by
on 2014-01-30 12:01:00 UTC
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Grishnakh is an Orc of Mordor, and more specifically of Barad-dur itself. He is short, crook-legged, almost apelike. This gives us the immediate impression that, unlike the tall, solid Ugluk, Grishnakh is unlikely to be a battle-line fighter. Instead, we can see him as exactly what he is: a raider, skilled at slipping into places, sneaking around, and killing without being seen.
Grishnakh is fairly high-ranking; not only is he leading a large group of Orcs on an independant assignment a long way from Mordor, he also seems to know about the One Ring - and recognises Merry's imitation of Gollum. Whether he was given this information, or obtained it for himself by eavesdropping, it is clear that he spent time actually inside Barad-dur.
Most interesting, in light of the later conflict between Shagrat and Gorbag, is that Grishnakh professes admiration and loyalty to the Nazgul. We know that even between the close-together towers of Minas Morgul and Cirith Ungol, the orcs saw each other as bitter rivals. It's hard to imagine Grishnakh, back in Barad-dur, speaking kindly of Morgul orcs. However, we see him putting on a united front for outsiders: against the goblins of Moria and the orcs of Isengard, Grishnakh will defend even his sworn Mordorian enemies. It would have been interesting to see how he treated forces out of Dol Guldur - another of Sauron's direct commands, but outside Mordor proper.
In Ugluk, we see a stark contrast to Grishnakh. While the Mordor orc comes across as brash, almost impulsive, Ugluk seems almost an 'elder statesman'. He, alone of his company, understands the dangers of allowing a Rohirric scout to go free, and he is a skilled enough fighter to duel Eomer hand to hand.
And he knows it. As he is fond of declaring to his 'northern rats' - "We are the fighting Uruk-Hai!" In the books, that doesn't mean he's a separate species - 'uruk' simply means 'orc', and 'hai', 'folk'. Ugluk is claiming, in effect, that his people are the only true orcs. He says it with the pride of the one who shaped them to be what they are - of an orc who clawed his way out of the mass of the likes of Grishnakh, and created a company of true warriors. He may not be their father, but they are his 'lads' nontheless. In the service of Saruman, who feeds them on man-flesh, Ugluk has fulfilled his potential as a warrior.
So how old is Ugluk? Tolkien was notoriously undecided on what, exactly, Orcs were, so the best way to answer this is to look for other examples. Bolg, son of Azog, reigned as king of the orcs of Moria from his father's death in 2799, to the Battle of the Five Armies in 2941 - some 150 years. We can certainly assume he was already a full-grown, experienced warrior at the start of his reign (orcs not being noted for their loyalty), and that he still had a good few years left in him at his final battle (or else he wouldn't have been able to fight). So let's assume an orc can live at least as long as a dwarf - around 250 years.
Knowing that, we can see that Ugluk clearly didn't begin in the service of Saruman - while already corrupted, Saruman only fell under Sauron's direct control around T.A. 3000, when the Dark Lord returned to Mordor. Nineteen years seems just a little young for Ugluk. The idea that he might have been sent to Isengard by Sauron doesn't hold up to Ugluk's obvious scorn for Mordor.
There is an answer, and it lies on the literal White Hand. Saruman originally opposed the idea of the White Council attacking Dol Guldur because he thought the slow rise of Sauron would prompt the One Ring to reveal itself; he later agreed when he realised Sauron might know where the Ring had actually been lost. His fascination with Rings of Power was already well engrained - and so we might assume that he had already tried to make his own.
With the fall of Dol Guldur, Sauron fled to Mordor. There is no word of what happened to his armies; many were no doubt destroyed, but could one Ugluk, then a raider much like Grishnakh, have retreated into the woods? Abandoned and betrayed by the Dark Lord, he could have remained there, watching, as Saruman hunted through the ruins - and, indeed, as the White Wizard forged his own, weaker but still potent, Ring. We know that the voice of Saruman was a powerful instrument of control, even before he wore a ring; augmented by his creation, might he not have seen the 'wisdom' in creating an army of his own? And could he not have called the abandoned orcs out of the forest, bringing them down to Fangorn and Isengard long before Sauron claimed him?
We might even imagine that Saruman had a 'noble' purpose in mind. He took Ugluk and his lads, the scheming, squabbling, hunchbacked, treacherous orcs of Sauron, and - through training, through control, maybe even through magic - helped them remake themselves into tall, disciplined warriors. Surely, this was an act of good! Saruman was redeeming these orcs - taking their malformed state and turning them into true warriors - the only real orcs in Middle-earth - the fighting Uruk-Hai!
Somehow, I don't think Gandalf would have been convinced.
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Ugluk dies in a hand-to-hand duel with Eomer. Why did Eomer do that? Is it possible that he recognised this particular leader of the Uruk-Hai? Is it possible, in fact, that Ugluk was responsible for the death of Theodred at the Battle of the Fords of Isen? Or, indeed, the murder of Eomund, Eomer's father, back in T.A. 3002? Is Ugluk not just an orc, but the orc - the one Eomer has been hunting his entire life?
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More! More! by
on 2014-01-30 18:00:00 UTC
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I'm having so much fun reading those little blurbs... and since you've mentioned him now, what about Theodred?
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This one makes me sad. :( by
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The most interesting thing about Theodred is who he would have surrounded himself with. As a child in Edoras, he had no real peers of his own age. His cousin Eomer was born in T.A. 2991 - thirteen years after Theodred. In fact, during his childhood, his closest kin in age would likely be his aunt: we know that Theodwyn, sister to Theoden, was born in 2963, making her fifteen when Theodred was born.
Thengel and Morwen married in 2943; their second child, Theoden, was born in 2948, a gap of five years. The gap between Eomer and Eowyn is also 4-5 years, suggesting that 'five years between children' might be the general rule for Rohan (and Gondor - there are five years between Boromir and Faramir). Given the 15 year gap between Theoden and Theodwyn, that suggests the five children were born in '43 (nine months after her parents were married), '48 (Theoden), '53, '58, '63 (Theodwyn).
Elfhild, Theodred's mother, died giving birth to him; he would not remember her. Thengel, his grandfather, king of Rohan, died when he was two, so he might just remember a grizzled old man. Interestingly, though, Morwen, Thengel's wife, was nearly 20 years younger than him; she would have been only 58 when Thengel died. Further, she was not Rohirric - she was kin to the Prince of Dol Amroth, and it has been shown that the Dol Amroth line usually lived to around 100. We know that Morwen wasn't around for the War of the Ring - or else she would have been mentioned - but she may have died only a little before (she would have been 97 in 3019).
The only other nobleman we know of, who could have been around Theodred's age, was Erkenbrand - but he was born and raised in the Hornburg, again far away from Edoras.
So we have young Theodred growing up, raised by his father, now a king, and his grandmother. His teenaged aunt grew into a beautiful woman, and when Theodred was eleven, married Eomund, Lord of Aldburg, and moved out of town. Judging by the lack of mention of them, we can suppose that his other three aunts were either dead, or simply had no (living) children - otherwise, there would later have been other candidates for the throne than Eomer. His young cousins, once they were born, lived far away in Aldburg.
There were noble children of Theodred's age, and in a similar situation to him - in Rohan, Boromir was born in 2978, making him the same age as Theodred. Faramir was five years younger - and in 2984, Ecthelion II died, making Boromir the son of the Steward. Further, in 2988, Denethor's wife died; it is hard to imagine Theodred and Boromir meeting and not bonding over their near-identical life stories. And with a Gondorian grandmother, we can easily imagine the young Crown Prince spending time in Minas Tirith.
In T.A. 3000, when Theodred was 22, Eomer 9, and Eowyn only 5, everything changed. Sauron returned to Mordor, and through the Palantiri, twisted Saruman to his alliegance. Orc raids in Rohan increased dramatically - as demonstrated by the fact that, two years later, Eomund was killed. When Theodwyn died (essentially of grief), her children (Eowyn now being seven) were brought to Edoras.
How did Theodred, now 24, handle his very young cousins? The evidence suggests that he... didn't. King Theoden was now in his mid-fifties, and grief-stricken by the death of his sister and close friend (here, we might imagine, one Grima son of Galmud was a great comfort to him). Since Theoden had been the (effective) First Marshal of the Mark, that left no effective military leader in Rohan - until Theodred stepped up. He moved out of his father's house, transferring to the Hornburg, and became Second Marshal - leader of the forces of western Rohan. In fact, he rather overstepped his bounds - Elfhelm, who was under his command at the Fords of Isen, was from the Muster of Edoras, the traditional purview of the First Marshal.
In all this, Theodred would have had to deal with Erkenbrand - the Lord of the Westfold, a capable military leader in his own right, who was now under the command of someone who was either his own age (but new-come to the West-mark) or younger than him. How well did they work together? Were they friends, or rivals, or simply superior and subordinate? It's impossible to say.
From afar, Theodred would have watched his cousin Eomer grow into a tall, proud warrior, and eventually take up his father's role as Lord of Aldburg - and, indeed, become Third Marshal of the Mark, at just as young an age as Theodred had. Stranded out in the Westfold by the constant incursions of Saruman's (though of course, no one could prove they were Saruman's) orcs, did Theodred resent his cousin's easy job, back in the safe east? Or was he too busy worrying about his father, who seemed to be turning grey ahead of his time, and every time Theodred visited was more bent, more weary, less and less like Theoden of old.
Perhaps it was Morwen's death which finally broke Theoden for good, turning him into the barely-conscious king we first see in Edoras. Perhaps, too, it was this event which finally brought Theodred and Eomer together - through mutual grief, mutual respect for each other's military prowess, and mutual recognition of the perilous state Rohan had reached. Certainly we know they did reconcile - when Theodred was slain by Saruman's treachery, he spoke his last words to Elfhelm and Grimbold:
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A quick note by
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Sadness aside--there's something in here you might want to change on Netilardo (given that I just checked and it's been transferred to there). Specifically, in the sixth paragraph, there's this sentence: "There were noble children of Theodred's age, and in a similar situation to him - in Rohan, Boromir was born in 2978..." Now, I don't know about you, but I always thought Boromir was born in Gondor... :)
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Gondhan, Rohdor - it's all Sindarin to me. ;) (nm) by
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*agonized wail* by
on 2014-02-04 17:12:00 UTC
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(Mind you, they'd find it more painful if that was mangled Quenya, but even so... :) ~DF)
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Agent Râmwê mocks their pain. by
on 2014-02-05 10:40:00 UTC
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"How can you complain?" he says. "All your mangled languages are dischords to the ears of true Quendi as it is."
Actually, he says, "Thausâ labmêu de ho wahtâi lasû ni ho," 'Your foul-smelling languages soil my ears', since he refuses to speak or learn any language except Primitive Quendian. He also refuses to accept the concept of a writing system (holding that it cannot possibly contain the beauty of true language), and is quite possibly the PPC's most specialised agent. He's been on three missions. Like, ever.
When asked why he ever left Cuivienen, he objects that that's not how you pronounce it, and goes off in a huff. SIELU have tried to trade him to another department, but the Poison Ivy is apparently too amused by him to let them.
(Yes, I've got a whole bio for him, yes, that's decently accurate Primitive Elvish, and no, I have no real plans to put him in a story. :D)
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I might need to bookmark this. by
on 2014-01-31 16:31:00 UTC
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In case I ever continue the LotR/Sherlock crossover I started a couple years ago.
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Well, it's all up on Netilardo. by
on 2014-01-31 16:40:00 UTC
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I think the only thing I haven't put up there is the Haradrim piece (which I may tidy up and do anyway). It's been a brilliant thread for ideas, actually: when I started the post, I had, what, four Theories and two Deeps? Now I'm up to something like nine and seven.
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If it were me, I'd probably keep it like that. =] (nm) by
on 2014-01-31 23:12:00 UTC
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Question by
on 2014-01-31 12:58:00 UTC
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Seeing as you've mentioned him, Elfhelm. A while back I looked around for information concerning him but came up short, just how much do we know about him and where did he get his name? It's always seemed to me that someone would not be named something like that without a reason.
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Elfhelm, Elfhild, & Grimbold by
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Elfhelm and Grimbold held similar positions - both were high-ranking Captains of the Mark. Grimbold was a Marshal of Westfold, while Elfhelm was in command of the defense of Edoras after the First Battle of the Fords of Isen. Grimbold was sadly killed in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, but Elfhelm survived to stand as a witness at Aragorn's coronation, and to be made Marshal of the East-mark - one of the two highest-ranking soldiers in Rohan - by King Eomer.
Grimbold, we know, was a hereditary lord of some kind - his home was called Grimslade ('Hillside dell of Grim'), suggesting that he ruled in the foothills of the White Mountains. He also appears to be a great friend of Elfhelm's - and since Elfhelm is connected to Edoras, that suggests that Grimslade is probable in the eastern parts of Westfold, near to the capital.
But what about Elfhelm? The '-helm' of his name is clear - it means helmet - but is 'elf' really 'elf'? There are four names in Middle-earth recorded with 'elf' at the beginning: Elfhelm, Elfhild (wife of Theoden), Elfstan (grandson of Sam Gamgee), and Elfwine (son of Eomer). Of these, the latter two are actually Old English translations of pretty famous names - Elfstan means 'Elf-stone', or Elessar, while Elfwine means 'Elf-friend' - Elendil.
So we can assume that Elfhelm is, indeed, named 'Elf-helm', or maybe 'Elf-protector' - and likewise that Elfhild, who died in childbirth, has a name meaning something like 'Elf-battle' (by the literal meaning of 'hild'), or 'Elf-fighter'.
Those are very unusual names in Rohan. There are no other names remotely like them in recorded Rohirric history, and they even have a common theme besides the 'elf' - both are connected to war. A mysterious, high-ranking soldier who is very close to both the son and nephew of the king, who shares a naming theme with the king's sister? I think you'd be hard-pressed not to assume they were relatives.
Elfhelm may well be the king's brother-in-law. Theoden was thirty years old when Theodred was born and Elfhild died, but that doesn't mean she was the same age. In fact, the only hint we have suggests she may have been younger: Morwen, wife of Thengel, was only 21 when they wed (though he was 38!). There is no indication of precisely when Theoden and Elfhild married, but in a world without reliable contraceptives, first children are often born pretty quickly. So Elfhild may well have been 25 or younger when she died.
If Elfhild was the elder sibling, and her parents followed the pattern of Rohirric and Gondorian nobility in spacing their children some five years apart, Elfhelm could have been 20 (or even younger) in 2978, at the birth of Prince Theodred. That would still make him some sixty years of age in the War of the Ring - which would fit his high-ranking position, even if it seems a little old. Instead of a brother, he could be a nephew (in a whole family of elf-centric names) - or simply an even younger brother (Theodwen was younger than Theoden by fifteen years - and had another sister older than him!).
And so, in his position as kinsman (but not in line for the throne), Elfhelm would have been given command of the Muster of Edoras - and responsibility for training both Theodred and Eomer in battle. And, when he discovered that young Eowyn was just as fervent as her brother about fighting the orcs who had killed her parents - and remembering that his own parents had given him the name invoking armour, while his sister had the proper fighting name - maybe he took her under his wing as well - teaching her the skills that would one day let a twenty-four-year-old woman of Middle-earth bring low the Witch-King of Angmar.
(This doesn't technically answer your question. As to where he got his name - there's no hint that Rohirrim adopted names later in life, or had any traditions of prophetic names. We could speculate about an incident in the lives of the Elf-kids' parents, or their ancestors, or even a connection to Dol Amroth and their supposed elven bloodline - but it would be pure speculation)
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Thanks (nm) by
on 2014-01-31 15:02:00 UTC
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Requesting final beta reader for my first PPC fic. by
on 2014-01-29 10:53:00 UTC
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Feel free to contact me at my email address (harryheath99 at that site hotmail has) for the link to the Google Doc. I'd post the link here, but I want to make sure that it's up to scratch before
inflicting it on you loter, showing it to you all. Yes. That. =]
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It's... that? by
on 2014-01-29 23:11:00 UTC
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That rapefic? Sure, you can have my beta services. Please share the GDoc with sur DOT nhm AT gmail DOT com.
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Added. =] (nm) by
on 2014-01-30 00:20:00 UTC
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Which canon is it in? (nm) by
on 2014-01-29 21:57:00 UTC
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Gunnerkrigg Court, a webcomic of note. =] (nm) by
on 2014-01-29 22:09:00 UTC
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Sue Alert by
on 2014-01-29 11:56:00 UTC
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Hi,
Kitty here with another Suefi...il now I didn't even think it was possible to have MineCraft Mary-Sues, but apparently you can.
This one's about an innocent girl who's thrown into the Nether, and makes friend with ALL the mobs. Especially the hostile ones. AND Herobrine's in love with her.
www.fanfiction.net/s/9686514/
How would you spork this? I don't think it's been done before. Would the Agents become blocky, like MineCraft mobs, or... what? What would they kill her with?
On a different note, I can't access the Wiki anymore. My computer won't let me in. I'm trying to get it fixed, but it might be a while. So, could someone else add it to the list?
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Elenium/Tamuli badfic by
on 2014-02-01 21:01:00 UTC
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https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9453408/1/An-Unusual-Prayer-Answered
Three World One girls (supposedly early 20s, but they act like teenage girls) get pulled into the world of the Elenium/Tamuli because Aphrael felt like answering "to whom it may concern" prayers from another world.
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I haven't read the Elenium/the Tamuli yet, though I predict that I will at some point, seeing as I spent the last week obsessively reading the Belgariad(five books in four days; I'm rather proud of myself) and I rather liked it.
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...wut. by
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Let me guess: she also spawns/finds the Wither and it is redeemed through the power of her love and kindness, and then she meets the Ender Dragon and it becomes her loyal steed. And she also redeems Herobrine with her two wuv (TM)
I'd suppose the Agents would become blocky, maybe PC versions with skin equivalents of what they looked like. If the Nether is the only setting, Blazes or Wither Skeletons might be fun to do, too. -
Dear lord that's bad by
on 2014-02-01 21:06:00 UTC
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I got to chapter three and had to give up. Where's Randa when I need her?
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In similar vein... by
on 2014-01-30 00:53:00 UTC
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Um, we got a bad one here. Ish. Kinda.
Blood Line, by BeautyandtheNerd, contains an OC who's just cringeworthy, but most of the time the SPaG's okay and there might be a decent plot buried in it somewhere. Iunno.
This has been your missive from the Tiny Fandoms Association, Skulduggery Pleasant Chapter. =]
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I've never sporked a video game fic before... by
on 2014-01-29 23:18:00 UTC
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I would assume that agents would become blocky upon entering the fic world, to fit in. And the easiest way to kill her sounds like it would be to go with something from the game's continuity: you could attack her with any of the many weapons or offensive potions in the game, set up a clever trap (preferably involving lava: it is, after all, the nether), push her off a cliff, or snap canon back and have the hostile mobs kill her.
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Starvation too. by
on 2014-02-05 06:46:00 UTC
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And TNT traps... even though those may be a Very Bad Idea.
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Want to claim this one so badly by
on 2014-01-29 19:48:00 UTC
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But I can't. I don't have an agent yet, so no point in staking a claim on a badfi...il I do.
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You can claim a fic before you get permission (nm) by
on 2014-01-30 00:11:00 UTC
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Claimed, but can't edit. by
on 2014-01-30 01:06:00 UTC
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The Unclaimed page appears to be locked down. Could someone remove it from there since I've claimed it?
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On it (nm) by
on 2014-01-30 05:24:00 UTC
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Thanks by
on 2014-01-30 05:32:00 UTC
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Don't know why it wouldn't work for me though.
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Hmmm, Interesting by
on 2014-01-29 17:21:00 UTC
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First of all what's a Minecraft mini going to be called? Because there's at least one in this (It's Steve? not Steve)
Secondly, Well you could always take them out with a Sword/Axe/Bow/Fishing Rod (I'm being serious here).
Thirdly, quite tempted to claim this, however I've got my hands full mission-wise at the moment
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Minecraft Mechanics by
on 2014-02-01 20:43:00 UTC
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Fishing rods can knock her into a lava pool or something, but they don't actually deal damage. (Unless they're enchanted with Sharpness or Fire Aspect or whatever, but that's a different story.)
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Can't they drag? by
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It may have been debugged out, but I'm pretty sure at one point you could pull mobs to you with a fishing rod.
Which would seem to hit an irresistible force/immovable object scenario when you combine it with the leash... hmm...
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Not 100% sure now... by
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Yeah, you could pull mobs to you with fishing rods, but I don't know if they still do that. I would guess not, since leads were added in, but I'd have to check that...
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Alternatively... by
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Looking for a surefire way to eradicate a Sue from the Minecraftverse? I've got an idea...
/op [PPCMcAgent]
McAgent is now a server Operator/Mod
/tp [SpeshulSnowflake] [PPCMcAgent]
Teleport SpeshulSnowflake to McAgent
/ban [SpeshulSnowflake] The banhammer of cannon is coming down on you!
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So the Sue would be eliminated through an Agent god-modding? by
on 2014-02-02 21:34:00 UTC
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I don't really think that's going to work. It doesn't really fit the PPC's methodology to defeat a Sue by giving one of its Agents an out-of-nowhere blast of new abilities to drastically overpower her. Besides, how would the Agent even be able to promote themselves to a Moderator? It's not as though they created the fic, which in this situation I suppose would be comparable to overseeing the server, and I severely doubt there are a plethora of Minecraft servers in which any player can promote themselves at any time, because if there were, nobody would ever be without Moderator powers.
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It's a pretty funny idea, though. ;) by
on 2014-02-03 12:31:00 UTC
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Depending on how mods are defined in the game/server/whatever code... let's see:
A PPC Agent can see the Words that make up the story. If that story is set in a computer game, can the agent shift their focus and look at the code, or at least the save-type files? If so, is there a way for them to edit it - possibly by finding a line in the fic which could possibly be interpreted to mean it, and focussing hard enough that they tweak the tortured canon into allowing it?
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There's a precedent of sorts. by
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While Nume and Ilraen were on a World of Warcraft mission, Nume was quickly able to take advantage of his character class (Mage) by using the game interface. Ilraen couldn't see it so easily, but under pressure, he was able to do it, too.
Theoretically, taking this a step further would allow an agent to see and manipulate the computer code... but if Nume and Ilraen's example is anything to go by, it would take an extraordinary amount of focus, not to mention understanding programming code in the first place.
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Fair point, but... by
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..are PPC Agents not moderators of canon by definition? Nah, that sounds too extreme. Hm. "Overseers"? "Constant Gardeners" maybe?
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Question. by
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What did you mean when you said '(It's Steve? not Steve)'? Is there an instance somewhere in the story where the name appears as 'Steve?' - because I'd read that more as a bizarre punctuation error leading to visual or spoken mayhem, not a mini. Or are you saying the player character is properly named 'Steve?' - which would seem to contract both the Wiki and everything I've ever heard. Or, were you trying to type something wrong and actually wrote it correctly, in which case 'Steve' would be the latest mini-Word, if mini-Words existed, which they don't.
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Huh, it's been changed then.
Just been checking the wiki and it appears I was confusing the Player and Steve(?) (who was a Mob). Although I could have sworn that at one point the wiki also called the Player Steve?.
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It used to have the question mark. The wiki was changed since the last time I looked.
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Doesn't look like it. by
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I checked the wiki's results from back to last year, and in the few times it addresses the player as "Steve", it doesn't use the question mark. From my admittedly brief research, it looks as though Notch was once asked if the player character of Minecraft had a name, he replied "Steve?", and someone with a surprisingly literal sense of humor began telling people that the question mark was a part of the player character's name. Notch acknowledged the joke at some point, but no one has ever actually given the player character any official name, with or without included punctuation, to the point that another game including him as a pop-culture reference just calls him "Mr. Minecraft".
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Charging by
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It seems like the best option would be to treat each use of Steve in badfic as either a bit character, or a canon without charges for using the wrong name.
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I really don't think... by
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... you can argue very hard for 'wrong name'. The wiki page on 'The Player' opens with 'Steve is the character that users control in Minecraft'. The default texture is saved as 'Steve.png'.
This mob discusses the question-mark, but doesn't specify which version of the mob it's talking about.
Essentially, making 'Steve' a mini would require charging in every single story that features the player character. No-one's going to stick a question-mark in a name in narrative; it would be ridiculous.
"I was talking to Steve?," I explained. "Steve? said there was a-"
There was a noise behind me, and with reflexes trained by dozens of creepers, I span round. "Steve?? Steve?!"
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Mini by
on 2014-01-30 15:47:00 UTC
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I vote for creeper minis and that since 2011, all explosives used by the PPC have been harvested from these minis before adoption
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Steve mini by
on 2014-01-30 01:51:00 UTC
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I'm not sure Steve would qualify as a mini at this point, given how often it's mentioned. Would he be more of a bit then?
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Minecraft mini by
on 2014-01-29 19:41:00 UTC
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I'd recommend either a mini-Creeper or a mini-Enderman. Mini-Creeper would be more iconic, but would have to be able to survive exploding.
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People were talking about this last month. by
on 2014-01-30 15:52:00 UTC
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They seemed to come to a consensus on mini-Creepers at that point, with the caveat that it would be a modified version similar to these, so that just puffs up and emits steam rather than exploding. It makes sense, since Creepers are the most iconic creature in the game, minis usually have dramatically reduced versions of their namesake's power, and no Agent would want to bring a mini home only to find their adorable pet replaced by a smoking crater after they go on missions or inter-story shenanigans for a few hours. Still, though, the final mini choice should probably go with whichever mob would be funniest. I just thought it was a little strange that there have been two discussions a little longer than a month apart on this same topic, and yet nobody else has brought that up yet.
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I vote for Endermen by
on 2014-01-29 23:21:00 UTC
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I think we could get more milage out of a mini-Enderman... because their owners would have to not look at them. Also, they'd be like two feet high and attack your knees if you wandered into the RC and looked at them, unless you were wearing a pumpkin. :D
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That's a very nice RC you have there... by
on 2014-01-29 19:44:00 UTC
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...Shame if anything happens to it.
Of course that could equally apply to a mini-creeper blowing up or a mini-enderman stealing all your things -
My thoughts exactly by
on 2014-01-29 19:49:00 UTC
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As long as it's not a Mini-Wither, then.
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One for the watch list by
on 2014-01-29 15:12:00 UTC
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Only one chapter in this Parasol Protectorate fic so far, and it's not badly written ... if you ignore the massive canon disruptions going on.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9964044/1/Reckless
(For those who haven't read that series: werewolfism isn't inherited via bloodline, werewolves can't breed after their transformation under anything resembling normal circumstances {Alexia and Lord Maccom had a kid, but only because Alexia is preternatural}, and had Major Channing ever gone to America he would have been butchered by the very anti-supernatural government. There's more, but you get the idea.) -
*Rubs Hands together* by
on 2014-01-29 23:19:00 UTC
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It's such a small fandom, it needs all the help it can get...
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Do you want this one? by
on 2014-01-30 18:45:00 UTC
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Assuming it goes anywhere, of course.
I don't want to claim anything else until I get my current mission finished. -
Done. =oD (nm) by
on 2014-01-29 12:07:00 UTC
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Hello by
on 2014-01-29 17:44:00 UTC
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I am new here,I would like it if people can show me the ropes here
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Welcome! by
on 2014-01-30 22:55:00 UTC
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Since none of my bags and boxes are nearby, I'm going to give you a pillow as a newbie gift... But not any pillow! It's filled with sponge and has a boat on its pillowcase.
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First plover! (nm) by
on 2014-01-30 21:06:00 UTC
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Hi there! by
on 2014-01-30 18:16:00 UTC
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I see that you've already had a nice welcome from a good portion of the Board. If you have any questions, feel free to ask--but be sure to check the Wiki first; a lot of questions can be answered there. Some of the more helpful links are right at the top of this Board's homepage!
As for your newbie gift...
*rummages through bag of holding*
Aha! Here, have an Elgyem! This should be the perfect companion for a sci-fi fan like yourself. -
Re: Hello by
on 2014-01-30 16:52:00 UTC
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Hi, have some fudge!
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Name change by
on 2014-01-30 07:40:00 UTC
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From now on I will post as "Vault Dweller",this will be my new username
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Hi! by
on 2014-01-29 23:39:00 UTC
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Nice to meet you. Please accept my gifts of a potato cannon, a basket of potatoes and an Official Fanfiction University of Doctor Who sweatshirt.
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Welcome Newbie! by
on 2014-01-29 23:08:00 UTC
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Well, knock around the board a bit (already accomplishing that, I see!) talk to all the shiny people, drag in your fandoms, etc. Wait a bit before asking for permission so people can get to know you first. Other protip: don't indiscriminately start up new threads, the page only has room for the top twenty or so, so if there's already a badfic thread, chuck any suckers you find on that instead of making a new one. Likewise, if there's already a thread about a certain movie, stay in that thread... you get the picture. Somebody's probably been over most of this already.
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Well.. by
on 2014-01-29 22:43:00 UTC
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Thanks for making me feel welcome here,this is truly a lovely online community
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Hey there! by
on 2014-01-29 20:53:00 UTC
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Hello! Welcome to the PPC, it's always nice to greet someone new. As for your newbie gift, have a PPC mug of infinite [insert your favorite drink here]!
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Hi back. by
on 2014-01-29 20:51:00 UTC
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I bid you welcome to the PPC Posting Board.
I also give you a tri-colored pen. It writes in the colors urple, wilver, and blello. Try not to stare at what you write.
And now for a few questions. Have you read Da Rules? How did you find this place? And have you read the Original Series? -
Confirmation by
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I found this place through friends and I have read Da Rules and the exploits of Agents Thorntree and Byrd
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Hey by
on 2014-01-29 20:46:00 UTC
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Hey! Have a urple cookie can (with cookies, don't worry)!
Welcome to the PPC! -
'sup by
on 2014-01-29 19:47:00 UTC
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And no, you're not allowed to answer along the lines of the sky or a ceiling...
Anyway HI! Have an urple pencil to commemorate, now you can write to your hearts content, so long as you don't mind not looking at what you're writing.
What fandoms are you interested in
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Fandom by
on 2014-01-29 20:07:00 UTC
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Warhammer,Halo,most sci-fi really.
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Cool, by
on 2014-01-30 00:12:00 UTC
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Fantasy and 40k for Warhammer or just 40k? I'm quite a big 40k fan and I'm trying to get into Fantasy as well.
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Warhammer by
on 2014-01-30 11:21:00 UTC
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40k,I play Death Guard Loyalists,uncommon,I know.
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Welcome! by
on 2014-01-29 19:38:00 UTC
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As a newbie gift, I offer you a wilver Infinite notebook and a box of Bleepolate.
Since you're new, could you tell us some of your fandoms?
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Apoligies by
on 2014-01-29 19:45:00 UTC
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Um... yeah. I'm writing this because I want to apologize for my lack of activity with the PPC. I've been meaning to work out my first mission but never got around to it due to sheer laziness/lack of inspiration. I don't know if I'll ever actually return, but maybe I should take a bit of a break from this for a while (if not longer than I already have been).
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Same by
on 2014-02-02 19:05:00 UTC
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PRetty much the same here, along with homework and family issues. *sigh*
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Break by
on 2014-01-30 11:26:00 UTC
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As a fanfic writer,I know everyone needs a break.Have a happy Chinese New Year and a happy brain holiday!
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Have fun on vacation! by
on 2014-01-29 23:09:00 UTC
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Brain vacation, that is! Everyone needs a break once in a while. :D
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Enquiry by
on 2014-01-30 15:43:00 UTC
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Is it possible for an RC ,if connected to a continuum,to have potentially,a way to access that universe?
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Another question by
on 2014-02-02 20:18:00 UTC
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Concerning RCs: if/when Randa and I get permission to write, could our agents claim a room numbered 3-Apple-14, or does it have to be just a number? The only number exception I've seen is Jay and Acacia's (F).
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Apple pie. Yum. by
on 2014-02-02 21:15:00 UTC
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I don't see why not: Agents Marvin and Printworthy are located in RC 901\1Y and Agents Des and the Librarian are in log10 e.
You can play around with RC numbers quite a lot. Personally, I'm tempted to stick some of my future DIA agents in an RC numbered with Fourier coefficients, but that would be a little complicated.
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Wish I loved math. by
on 2014-02-02 21:44:00 UTC
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It's definitely my worst subject, but I can still appreciate some well-placed math jokes.
square root -1 2^3 sigma 3.14
And it was delicious.
How did I not remember Marvin and Printworthy?! I feel terrible now. Anyway, I'll have to let Randa know that 3-Apple-14 is good.
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You forgot my agents that only have two stories! by
on 2014-02-03 04:57:00 UTC
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How DARE you! They are among the most FAMOUS, most POPULAR agents in the PPC! Their legacy surpasses even the great Dafydd! LOOK UPON THEM AND FEEL SHAME!
In other words, don't worry about it. I know I just posted my mission about a week ago, but that's no real reason to remember them. They have a total of one mission, that's it. One pretty darn good mission, if I may say so myself, but nothing all too spectacular.
Now, when they finally take on My Little Unicorn*, THAT is when their praises had better be sung! Seriously, I'm almost willing to put this thing on a list of legendary badfic, this is nuts! I wan't to see it burn, but it is just so long, and dull, and hideously described, and so boring! However, until the Grand Ruler has his head on a pike, don't sweat it.
*And by "My Little Unicorn", I mean all of the seres. All of them. Oh Celestia, what have I signed up for? -
Oh, and don't forget... by
on 2014-02-02 23:08:00 UTC
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Math is fun, if you know how to "speak" it. Don't give up!
And speaking about math...
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I see what you mean. by
on 2014-01-30 16:17:00 UTC
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(By the way, commas have a space after them)
At least I think I do. Are you thinking of the fact that HQ is built into various parts of different continuua - that, by way of portals, a corridor might be constructed under the Misty Mountains, then in deep space, then in Atlantis, without anyone knowing?
In that model (and as we all know*, any model of HQ is correct, if you look at it the right way), a Response Centre would have an actual physical location. Outside the Generic Surface walls, there would be an actual canon - whether it be a cave in Minecraft, a spacestation in Star Wars, or an office in Harry Dresden's Chicago.
And so, given that Generic Surface has been shown to be destroyable using tools, yes, it could be possible to drill a hole to the outside, assuming the exterior doesn't have some extra layer of protection - which it probably would, since the Flowers don't really want random miners stumbling into HQ.
Of course, with no way to know what continuum you're in, or where you are, chances are you'd just get sucked through into the vast vacuum of space, or see a solid wall of rock, or what have you. In general, portals are way easier.
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Another danger by
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Even if someone did successfully find themself in a habitable environment, they might run afoul of Security Dandelions. After all, the Weeds are tasked with keeping the Doors into and out of HQ secure, they would probably not take kindly to someone making a new one for them to monitor.
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My idea by
on 2014-01-30 18:37:00 UTC
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The idea was the agents would use this for a mission into the Halo universe and it would never be closed as it would lead in to a basic box canyon* and at the end of the mission,the only pelican dropship** in the possession of HQ was needed for another mission. This link to Alpha Halo would be used by the agents to sit out the macrovirus epidemic as they,during the lockdown, to have a wine and cheese hour.
*The canyon is not blood gulch, prize if you get it.
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The macrovirus epidemic was six years ago. by
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Would this be a flashback? And if so, why? What is it about macroviruses that cannot be just as easily dealt with using another creature or another cause for tunneling out of HQ?
Why exactly would the hole never be filled in? Just because the break in HQ leads into the bottom of a canyon doesn't mean that it couldn't pose a potential problem. What if something floods the canyon, or spores start coming in from the outside, or Haloverse animals come in through the hole while the Agents are away and lay eggs absolutely everywhere? If there was a hole through HQ to the outside, it's most probable that either it would be immediately sealed up and the people responsible sent somewhere that they couldn't go punching any more holes in reality, or that the Security Departments would set up a permanent door outpost at the spot where the hole appeared to ensure that nothing came in that wasn't supposed to.
Also, the reason why HQ can tunnel into so many continua and not have people mining into it or accidentally teleporting through the walls or releasing rapid animals into its hallways is because it has enormously powerful shields that keep HQ's hallways self-contained, with the added bonus of keeping said hallways connected to each other instead of needing to risk a section floating off into interdimensional space. Remember a few posts back, when Huinesoron mentioned that the Flowers put an extra layer of protection around HQ? Yeah, that's what the shields are. In order for someone to get in and out of HQ without using one of the designated doors or a plothole construct such as a portal generator, they would need to shut down or punch through an entire section of the shields, and the last times the shields were depowered, it was not pretty by any definition. -
Flashback by
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I know, its sort of a flashback. The series I have come up with tells the story of Fox Norton and Eli Hunter from 1997 to 2015 and hopefully,when I ask for permission, it will be accepted. I don't know if you have played Halo PC,the canyon is Timberland and the gate way is not monitored as it should not be there, it is a byproduct of crashing a warthog into the wall of blue base.
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I wasn't referring to whether canon characters notice it. by
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If it is a location accessible to an area in any occupied universe, the Security Departments would want to block the opening to keep things from getting in or out of it, whether or not there is any sort of canonical presence in the area. If there's a base built on top of the canyon that the hole would be placed in, that implies that people are there, or at least were there at some point, canons or not, and thus someone would probably notice if a rip in space suddenly shows up in that area, whether or not it was caused by large animals crashing into the walls.
Unrelated to that, the main result Google gives me for "Fox Norton" is a racehorse. Are Fox Norton and Eli Hunter a pair of in-development Agents, obscure canon characters from somewhere, or something else entirely? -
You might want to write this down in a Chronicle by
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You may even get a Revelation about the idea that'll need Reconstruction or Recreation.
I wonder if the prize was a Donut
OK, I'm going to stop making Red vs Blue jokes now (and pray I haven't got the wrong end of the stick and it was only meant to be a reference to the original Halo).
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Is it a spider... by
on 2014-01-30 20:20:00 UTC
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Yes it is a donut,pink and frosted. But you must find the the location the portal leads to before you can dig in
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'allo, Phobos. by
on 2014-01-30 16:43:00 UTC
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You're quite right, of course. Mention of the Weeds, though, brings to mind the various early stories - Architeuthis' and Nenya-and-Rosie's, for instance - which represent HQ as having not only doors, but also significant lengths of wall (in N&R's case, I always picture them as walking up to a gigantic castle). I suppose, if your RC was against one of those walls, you could drill your way out safely - but the Weeds would have an even easier time finding out.
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Um... Portal? by
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'Cause portals are a very ubiquitous piece of PPC tech, and everyone has them to some degree. Here's the PPC Wiki article on portals for more info: http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Portal
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Requesting feedback on Agent idea by
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I know I'm a bit new still, so I'm not asking permission yet. However, I would like feedback on the Agent I came up with.
Agent Name: Mikelus Tarnel
Home continuum: Dungeons and Dragons 4th edition
Age: 31 (equivalent to late teens)
Race: Half-elf/Dragonborn
Department: DMS
Class: Level 2 Sorcerer
Personality: Mikelus is rather sarcastic by nature, having inherited an elven superiority complex from his mother. He is honorable when possible, but has a pragmatic streak with him as well. He is always eager to tear into a foe, though he does have an understanding of the importance of a peaceful solution. He just tends to ignore it.
Backstory: Mikelus was born into a branch of his clan's leadership, though was somewhat of a pariah due to his elven nature. His past wasn't angsty, but it wasn't as nice as some of his cousins. The roleplay he came from was uploaded, and he fell through a plothole into the PPC soon after.
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A few suggestions by
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May I mention that, in the fourth edition Dungeons and Dragons Player's handbook, the race description for Dragonborn says they hatch from eggs? Unless the circumstances of his conception (*wince* Owww...) IS the pothole he fell into, you might want to think about how that worked.
What does Mikelus look like? Is he mostly elven with Dragonborn traits, mostly Dragonbornwith elvish traits, or about half and half? A mixed reptilian/mammalian character like that will definitely have an unusual physiology.
I know these don't relate to Mikelus in regards to his personality, but these do seem like some important things to take into consideration. ;) -
Mikelus's look by
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He was born from an elf, and looks like one that has very faint scales on most of his body. They are more prominent in certain places, like his jaw, and are a light blue in color where noticeable.
He does have other traits from being Dragonborn, such as more clawed hands and more fang-like teeth. He is also developing wings and a tail, though those are not mature yet and won't become noticeable for a while. -
So, what makes him interesting? by
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You've come up with a character, and that's always a good start. Now, as the writer, what aspects of him do you intend to draw out in your missions in order to make us interested in him?
(Yes, my post was just a restatement of the subject line. Shh ;))
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Things that make him interesting. by
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Well, he's a little unorthodox. Though looking around I realize that doesn't make him very unique.
He does have a few vulnerabilities that could fall victim to the Laws of Narrative Comedy rather easily. One of them is his dragonic nature. So many Sues out there seem to have some sort of dragonic ability, or power that makes them better than dragons. This is both a Berserk Button for him, as well as a weakness that even the most brain-dead Sue could likely exploit. -
Quirks! by
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He most definitely does need some more interesting character traits. The slightly generic past and the large amounts of sarcasm are pretty much typical of agents.
Try giving him a quirk or two, like an irrational fear of chocolate or something. Well, probably something more sensible than that, but this is the PPC we're talking about here. -
Some quirks by
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While I don't believe that quirks make a character, there are a few things that could qualify.
Mikelus is a sorcerer. For him, that means he has to spend several hours a day meditating and reflecting on himself to keep his powers going and keep him sane.
His dragonic blood manifested itself in a dragonic personality, often tempting him with promises of power or victory. While this personality is not evil, it is more chaotic good/neutral. On occasion, this personality causes Mikelus to mutter to himself or write down conversations the personalities are having mentally. -
Quirks =/= character. by
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A character can have quirks, but you don't get a character just by sticking quirks on a person-shaped template. I see "character" as essentially made up of actions and reactions: How does this character approach particular challenges? What experiences does he seek out, and what does he avoid? What is his general outlook on life? How does he speak; what words does he use or not use? How does he respond to certain types of stress? How does he represent himself with his appearance? Et cetera and so forth.
And, the most important question of all: WHY? People act and react in certain ways for reasons, based on their upbringing, belief system, past experiences, etc. Very little about people is random. This should apply to characters, and is what makes them more than just a collection of traits.
To clarify, it's okay to give a character a little trait here and there just because it happens to catch your eye at the time (this is why Nume has green glasses), but it should still grow an answer to the question of "Why?" eventually. In fact, it probably will whether you like it or not, so beware!
See also: PoorCynic's Writing Workshops, so far covering character creation and speech. There's some really great advice in here.
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Motivations and reactions. by
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Mikelus is a very formal person, preferring proper speech and carefully planned wordplay to quick outbursts, though he also has a love of sarcasm if he can fit it into a situation. This mostly stems from his position in his clan.
Given he is, for lack of a better term, a practically exiled prince of his clan, a lot of his motivations and psychological issues are related to proving himself and living up to expectations. For example, he hates to leave objectives incomplete, and takes a very serious approach to any task he's assigned. This would likely put him at odds with a less serious partner, and would probably make her more of a friend to the Flowers. After all, an agent that actually focuses on the duty as much as possible and takes the horrible assignments without complaint sounds like a Flower's dream.
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One Question by
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Just going to ask, seeing as you mentioned him becoming familiar with multiple canons are you looking at joining the Freelancee Division of the DMS or is there another specific area you were thinking of working in?
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Freelance (nm) (nm) by
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Fanfic summary do's and don'ts? by
on 2014-01-31 07:18:00 UTC
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You know how people like to say that "you can't judge a book by it's cover" right? I call partial bullshit on that. In fact in my years of sifting through fanfics, there's nothing that'll turn me off to a story quicker than a really sucky summary. Better yet, I think I'm starting to recognize some warning signs in the summaries of badfic or badslash fanfics.
Here's some of the more obvious and general faux pas that I've found in fanfic summaries:
Emoticons, particularly of this variety: X33333 XD :3 ;)
Mentionings of really OOC characters (Seriously why would you put that in a summary?)
"OMG I SUCK AT SUMMARIES!!" (Admittedly this one is more of a personal pet peeve)
Really REALLY bad typos or grammatical errors.
Any of these things or a combination of them are liable to send me running for the hills. They just don't give me a good impression of a story's potential or quality. Moreover prior experiences of ignoring these little "nit-picks" and clicking on the fic anyway have taught me that most of the time, my initial iffy impression was right on the mark.
What do you guys think? Am I just being really anal-retentive about this whole summaries thing? Got any of your own dont's that you want to add to this list? Better yet, what are some good things you look for in a fanfic summary? -
Hm, sounds about right. by
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Sometimes you do have to "sell" your fic in less than 100 words, particularly on Fanfiction.net. Not sure about DeviantART, though.
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So true! by
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I really agree with you there, even though I'm usually against stereotypes, but this one has done a particularly well job of proving itself to be true.
Also, if I see tags (on Ao3) which are mini-summaries in their own right and span an entire line or are simply composed of shameless self-praise, I usually stay away. -
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Spot on! by
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I have a few things to add:
Barfing up keywords (especially when like seven of them are synonyms.) It does not, in fact, tell me what the story is about. It might get you a couple extra clicks, but it's extremely annoying and I've found it has a really high correlation with low-quality stories.
Begging for reviews in the summary: everyone wants their fanfic to be read. Most want it reviewed. Throwing in a cutesy "plz r&r!" just tells me that you're an inexperienced author who isn't going to take my constructive criticism if I do take the pains to go through the story. -
Yup, I agree with these don'ts. by
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Hedgehog's, too. If the summary asks a question like "Will X achieve Y?", you can bet that nine times out of ten the answer is yes, thus making it unnecessary to read the story to find out.
I'm not sure if there are any 100% reliable tricks to writing a good summary, though making sure everything is SPaG'd correctly is always a good start, of course. A general outline of the premise can work, but if you describe it too generally, it'll sound like all other stories with a similar plot. Quoting an interesting line or two from the story can be really effective—but if the story sucks, then your quotes will probably suck, too.
... Man, this gets me thinking, we haven't played Fill the Plothole in forever. Somebody should start a round. I'd do it, but unfortunately I don't have the time to devote to it right now. {= (
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Yeah, all of this. by
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Also I must add the excessive use of questions in the summary irritates me. Like "Will Mary Sue find love? Or will she die a horrible death at the hands of the PPC?"
More of a pet peeve as well.
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Salutations by
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Just wanted to say hello and meet the people here.
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Hello, hello! by
on 2014-02-01 23:52:00 UTC
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Welcome to the PPC! How did you run across us? Have you read the Constitution and the Original Series? And you said that you like video games; any ones in particular?
As for your newbie gift...
*rummages through bag of holding*
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Lots of questions by
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I have read the constitution but am working on reading the original series. For finding the PPC I pretty much had one of the strangest wiki walks on TV Tropes: went from the dishonorable mentions in the Pantheon, to My Inner Life, to the PPC; glad I did too. I love fantasy games above all the others.
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Hi by
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Hello,have a variety of sharp,shiny objects!
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Hi there! by
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Nice to meet you. Please accept my gifts of a potato cannon, a basket of potatoes and an Official Fanfiction University of Doctor Who sweatshirt.
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*waves* by
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Hello and welcome!
I hereby give to you one of my ubiquitous lined Infinite Notebooks, complete with urple covers and wilver binding. Have fun!
-Aila -
Newbie Time! by
on 2014-01-31 18:44:00 UTC
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I've got two bent spoons, three blello cupcakes, and a plot grenade for you! (Warning: the plot grenade has a tiny radius and a short fuse, but is useful for getting rid of unwanted characters and small objects.)
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Another newbie? by
on 2014-01-31 16:25:00 UTC
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In that case, welcome to the Board. Here, have a tri-colored pen. It writes in urple, wilver, and blello. Try not to stare at your writing.
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Wait- You're a Newbie? by
on 2014-01-31 12:07:00 UTC
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In that case, welcome to the PPC! Here's a diamond encrusted Foon. Foons are the opposite of Sporks, and I invented them myself.
I am Kitty, otherwise known as Miss Eden or TheBigCat. I am most widely known around the Board for having great ideas that I never get around to using.
-The Original Series webcomic.
-A Calvin & Hobbes OFU
-A PPC-Inspired Dungeon and Dragons
Yeeeaaah. I like Harry Potter, Artemis Fowl and Minecraft, and ship Harry/Hermione, Harry/Luna and Neville/Luna.
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Fandoms by
on 2014-01-31 20:58:00 UTC
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The fandoms I like are video games in general. Oh, and thank you all for the gifts.
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YOU as the Ringbearer (or rather, I was just curious...) by
on 2014-01-31 16:46:00 UTC
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(...and wanted to ask highly philosophical and introspective questions on this Board.)
In my thoughts on Tenth Walkers and how one could potentially go about inserting someone into the Fellowship through supplantation or whatever, I came across the idea of what would happen if the OC in question volunteered to take the Ring, like Frodo did.
How would the Ring affect them? Or, rather, if you were the one who volunteered to take this magical artefact of known danger and power, how would it affect you?
I remember reading about the similarities between the One Ring and Plato's Ring, and how both could tempt people into immorality through its numerous powers and abilities (invisibility, longevity). According to the article, one has to know themselves to resist temptation -- to resist the lure of the One Ring. Such a thing is seen with Galadriel, Sam, and Tom Bombadil.
Do you think you, or your character, has a chance of resisting the Ring? Do you think you understand your limitations well enough to be able to defy the lure of immorality?
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Me as the Ringbearer? by
on 2014-02-05 09:39:00 UTC
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Hm... I don't think I can give a true answer (the baker does not say his leaven is excellent... damn, it sounds better in Hebrew) but I'd like to imagine that yes, I will resist its temptation. My desires in life are simple (tea and books/stories, basically) and I have less ambitions than most people I know. I also consciously follow a certain ethical code (behave as you want other people to behave/do not try to change the inevitable/do to others as you want them to do you) so I think I have good chances of ignoring the Ring's call.
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Oh jeez... by
on 2014-02-01 20:36:00 UTC
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I'd like to say I could resist it, but in reality, I have no idea. I'd resist taking that responsibility on principle, just because I know what that thing is and what it could do to me.
But...
In group situations, I tend to kind of become the leader just because I'm the only one who bothers to step up and take charge. If Frodo hadn't volunteered, I probably would have... and that's when the Ring would start screwing with my head. I'd love it if I could make the world better (insert Team Magma/Aqua/Galactic/Plasma/Flare reference here) and end starvation and war, and I'm pretty sure the Ring would use that to its advantage.
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I'm not sure. by
on 2014-02-01 19:52:00 UTC
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I can only hope I'd be smart/resistant enough to give away the ring as soon as I notice what power it holds, otherwise I'd be on a one-way trip to Gollumville, as I am not barely resilient enough to resist such temptation as is presented by the one ring.
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Hm. by
on 2014-02-01 16:57:00 UTC
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The Ring would have a field day, showing me all my power-mad fantasies fulfilled. I have no idea how long I would last against that- hopefully long enough to get it to Mount Doom.
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I... I dunno, I might resist? by
on 2014-02-01 07:27:00 UTC
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I mean, assuming I had some idea of what I had and it wasn't just a case of "Oooh, shiny." But even then, I don't normally wear rings except my wedding and engagement rings. Wearing a plain chunk of gold doesn't really appeal to me, and the Ring is always noted as being heavy. Do not want.
As to invisibility and long life, I do pretty well avoiding people on my own already, and I've seen what even a good very long life looks like at the end. No, thanks. (If I could have any superpower, it would not be invisibility. I'd either want teleportation or the ability to always say the right thing at the right time.)
Realistically speaking, though, I just don't want a whole lot. I do occasionally wish people would just shut up and do what I tell them because god dammit I am right and it would be so much easier my way... but I have already made it a habit to curb those thoughts. For one thing, it would be too much bother having to tell everyone what to do all the time, and for another, free will for everyone plzkthx.
Ring: But you could make them bend to your will!
Me: Yeah, that would be fun for a while, but then I'd want to go do stuff on my own and not deal with people.
Ring: But... but... power!
Me: Whatever, man. I have projects to do. Also, pretty sure mind-slaves give terribly boring, unhelpful reviews.
I dunno, am I overlooking something? It seems to me that all the ring-temptations we've seen have been about "ooh, shiny" (Gollum) or power (Isildur, Galadriel, Boromir, Sam) or... I dunno what you'd call Faramir's. Stature? He wanted to prove himself to Denethor... but not so much that he'd compromise himself, which is why he resisted. Ain't nobody whose opinion I care about enough to damn myself over it, either. Not even Phobos. And I'm pretty sure that's something he likes about me, so there.
If the Ring granted the power of every creative thing you touch automatically being awesome, then we might have a problem, but power over others? Nah, I'd rather just stay home with my cat and write goofy stories, thanks. Maybe I could pawn it off for a year's rent, though, that would be sweet. Or, what about a ring that makes everyone use logic/common sense all the time without me having to force it? That'd be cool. Though I guess I'd miss Not Always Right and the Darwin Awards and stuff.
I doubt if I could do what Frodo did, either, though. Maybe if it looked like I was really the only person for the job, but then it would get me. Like, it would start out being like, "Well, okay, if no one else is gonna say anything... I guess SOMEONE has to...." But then it would be like, "Hey, don't you touch that. You didn't want it before. It's my responsibility now, and no way am I letting you jerks cock it up." And then it would be like, "I have to keep it FOREVER because I'm the ONLY ONE who REALLY CARES about DOING THINGS RIGHT." And then I don't even know. In real life I tend to get fed up and abandon things for months at a time when it gets to that point...?
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Oh, another way the Ring could take me. by
on 2014-02-03 04:55:00 UTC
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I don't know if the One could preserve the land like the Three, but if it can, I don't think I'd be able to say no to slowing or stopping global climate change. I love this Earth, and if I can single-handedly keep us from ruining it for a few more decades, sign me up.
If I ever assemble five plucky youths and give them lesser rings with dubious elemental themes, though, please slap me.
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I would be the Ring's whipping boy within seconds. by
on 2014-02-01 03:58:00 UTC
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Because I am already not-jokingly desperate to never die.
The Ring would be like, "Sup?"
And I go, "Whoa."
And it's like, "Yeah?"
And I'm all, "Sure!"
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Tough question Actually... by
on 2014-02-01 03:58:00 UTC
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This question actually brings up a headcanon of mine that I had about the Ring waaaay back in the day. I always thought that half of the Ring's magnetism came from its innate ability to get inside its bearer's head...like, traveling with the Ring or even conversing with it is like talking to Hannibal Lector, you know? Yeah I know this is kind of a "no shit" observation but it would be a really interesting thing to base a fic on.
Though admittedly I don't see why you'd need an OC to do this. Granted though, I don't think any OC of mine would be able to resist its lure for long. After all, the Ring does have an uncanny ability for bringing out the WORST in people, even the best people. I think one of the reasons why Frodo himself resisted the Ring for so long was because he didn't really have anything for the Ring to exploit. With Frodo it felt like the Ring needed to cultivate that bad seed itself by exploiting the cracks in Frodo's spirit left by the Morgul Blade.
TL;DR--I'd think you'd have to be really comfortable with who you are in addition to having a strong spirit to resist the Ring and its temptations.
On a side note, I don't think I'd mind reading a Tenth Walker fic that tried to incorporate these kinds of questions in its work but what's the possibility of that happening? I mean, having a Tenth Walker is a huge violation of cannon right off the bat (one liable to get a fic PPC-ed). Sure, you can write off the initial misstep by saying the fic's a speculative AU but still... Tenth Walker fics have already set up a bad rapport with readers and agents alike with their terrible writing and lack of consideration for the rest of cannon. You'd have to play it very smart in order to avoid justifying these icky expectations.
Long post >.
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Tut, tut! by
on 2014-02-03 12:55:00 UTC
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We only just had the thread about 'can you do a good Tenth Walker', and my collection of scenes in response demonstrates that yes, you definitely can. The fact that it's often done badly doesn't mean it /always/ is.
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I stand Corrected. by
on 2014-02-04 12:24:00 UTC
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Now excuse me while I fish around my dorm for a hankie to wipe off the copious amounts of egg on my face before some Yahoo comes up, smacks me a frying pan, and calls me an omelet.
*grumbles* Dang you good authors always coming around to turn my relatively cynical expectations on their heads.
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I'm amused by the fact everyone thinks they'd fall. by
on 2014-02-01 00:56:00 UTC
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Just goes to show the power of the Ring I guess. I'll put in an answer of my own later.
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Why would someone fall in the first place? by
on 2014-02-01 00:30:00 UTC
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This is partially due to the fact that I never really had any sort of idea what the One Ring does or why people would wage war for it, but it doesn't seem like it would be that much of an issue.
Its only powers, at least the only powers that have ever been apparent, are the ability to extend life while turning that life into some twisted alternate form, like a wraith or a whatever Gollum is, to make a single person turn invisible, and to make people desire it to the point that they will do anything to possess it again. Only the third one is in any way formidable, and you wouldn't be able to use it to save Arda or however someone would decide to help people using the Ring's power. Granted, I can see why the second power would motivate people to use it for less-than-innocent means, since an object that lets one person turn invisible for an extended period of time would have a sizable number of uses, many of them immoral, but that's a very small-scale power. You won't exactly be tempted to rend worlds in two and turn yourself into a lord of evil and destruction with only the power of invisibility and a convoluted form of immortality.
I mean, I know why Sauron wants it, since the One Ring contains a portion of his consciousness and he'd need that to be able to use his full power again. Plus, he was exposed to the One Ring when it was first being made, since he was the one who forged it, so he probably would've gotten the full brunt of the Want It Need It spell the Ring exudes, possibly far beyond the level it exuded when it was finished. I just don't know why anyone else would decide to use it to start going around and conquering. Is it because the piece of Sauron inside the Ring would possess them and enhance their innate desire to rule over others? Because that doesn't really match up with Boromir's feelings(and maybe Isildur's; I don't quite recall) that the Ring would somehow be able to be turned against Gondor's enemies, as though it could be used as a weapon or something. Maybe no one knows what the Ring is actually capable of, and is just running off of the logic that if someone as big and bad as Sauron wants it, it must be insanely powerful? I'm grasping at straws here, if you can't tell. -
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on 2014-02-01 01:07:00 UTC
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The Rings of Power were all designed to be magical in that they gave the users the strength and will to govern their peoples, and thus had a myriad of powers that are more subtle than immortality.
I consider the One Ring the original Horcrux. Sauron, like Voldemort, poured what essentially amounted to his soul into the Ring (the movies said his power, his cruelty, his will to dominate all life, etc). We saw what a Horcrux can do to people in the Potterverse -- it possessed Ginny and got her to unleash a Basilisk. It said nasty things to Ron until he deserted the Trio during their own Camping Trip from Hell. I imagine the Ring's influence to be way stronger than that, way more insidious, way more... irresistible.
As far as I know, the Ring's power is expressed in the books mostly as that voice that tells its bearer all the stuff they could have if they just claimed it as their own (and then attract the attention of all the enemies who come to nab the idiot who dared to contest Sauron's power). If it, perhaps, amplified the user's ability to lead or fight or cast spells, it might come in handy -- but with that power there's also that Horcrux-y bit where eventually it's not the bearer controlling the Ring, but vice versa.
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So is it actually capable of doing what it promises? by
on 2014-02-01 05:54:00 UTC
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Or is part of its power the ability to convince people that it's capable of doing things that it would never be able to do? If the latter's the case, it would actually be pretty insidious. "Why do I want this ring so much?" asks a random shmuck who has shown no resilience to the magic coursing through Sauron's soul jar. "I have to want it for some reason. Well, it said it would give me the power to shape the minds of others and the power to resurrect the dead, so that's probably why. It hasn't given me that power yet, but I know it will. If it wouldn't, well, I wouldn't have this unnatural longing to keep it with me, and I know I'm not the sort of person who carries jewelery around for no reason." It'd be the same sort of principle by which people convince themselves that they love their jobs because if they didn't, there would be literally no reason for them to be working where they are, compounded by the One Ring's ambient desire spells. Pretty sneaky, Sauron.
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The lesser rings could ... by
on 2014-02-01 14:16:00 UTC
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... I'd be surprised if the One Ring couldn't deliver as well.
It would be too much to say the Ring was sentient, but it certainly has a will, specifically Sauron's will. It also holds a good chunk of Sauron's power, and Sauron was a Maia -- a fallen Maia, but Maia none the less.
We never really find out in the trilogy what a Maia is capable of if s/he is motivated. The times Gandalf cuts loose, it's either off-page (most of the Balrog fight) or something the mortal observers aren't capable of seeing. "Saruman, your staff is broken" -- there has to be more going on there than snapping a stick, but we don't see it. But going back to the Silmarillion, Melian is able to keep Morgoth from scrying through the magical barrier she erects around Doriath, which argues for Maia having a great deal of power to affect the world.
Getting back to the original question, I think I'd be in trouble if I held the Ring. I had a lot of self-image issues as a child/teen, and it's something I still have to watch for today. If the Ring can't come up with a way to manipulate that, give it back to Sauron already, we've been worrying for no reason. -
Not to mention, it actually could! by
on 2014-02-01 08:28:00 UTC
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Only that it will help you reach your goals until it thinks Sauron is getting close. Then it leaves you. Much like how Isildur was killed when using the ring to escape. The ring found it's avenue of escape, so it go with it.
If by making you the CEO of Microsoft gets it closer to Sauron, it will do its best to help you, with a few 'accidents' here and there it helps to concoct. But if Sauron is walking past you at the street, it will try to fall down, preferably rolling over to Sauron's feet.
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Good question. by
on 2014-01-31 21:39:00 UTC
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On one hand, I have the meta-knowledge of what the Ring does to people and the reasons why it must be destroyed. On the other hand, I am an absolute chicken and willuse the Ring's powers of concealment whenever danger presents itself.
I'd probably be putty in the hands (torus-thing?) of the Ring. -
I would also fall. by
on 2014-01-31 20:24:00 UTC
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I'd probably try to use it for something really petty, knowing me, or maybe to try, like hS, to help people and go about it completely the wrong way. I don't have much strength of will or much of a drive, and those would only help the Ring. I'd be an incredibly horrible decision as Ringbearer.
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In the place of a Dark Lord, you would have a King! by
on 2014-01-31 20:21:00 UTC
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Not dark, but...darker, I guess, and...um...more terrible? Yeah, this really isn't going as well as I had hoped.
Anyway, I have gained the nickname "The Betraying Betrayer Who Betrays" amongst my friends (no word yet from my enemies). I don't think I should be trusted with semi-phenomenal, nearly-cosmic power. I think I'm too selfish, honestly. The temptation to use it for my own benefit would be too much.
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Me? Nah... by
on 2014-01-31 18:48:00 UTC
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I'd like to think that I'd be tempted by the power to do good, but somehow I think that I'd be done in before I got there, just by the desire to be safe. Adventures in Middle Earth are all well and good, but in the end I prefer my wifi and my hobbit hole and far less uncertainty (and no things trying to kill me.)
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Perhaps you'll be tempted wih a pipeweed patch. (nm) by
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I think I would fall. by
on 2014-01-31 18:07:00 UTC
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(No ideas on how I ended up with the thing - I suspect it involves Frodo getting a seriously bad cold)
I think, like Gandalf, the Ring would tempt me with the power to do good - to make things better for, well, everyone. Precisely what it would offer would depend on its actual abilities, but maybe the ability to just... convince people to stop doing bad things. That can't be wrong, can it? I mean, sure, you'd have to twist them a little on the way - but in a good way!
But there's all those people who just don't understand, who keep wanting to attack me, to hurt all the people I helped. And I've got this Ring...
Of course, I don't imagine I'd actually get that far. I rather suspect I'd fall foul of the first Nazgul to hunt me down. But you didn't ask about chances of success. ;)
About 'know thyself' - I'm not so sure. Remember, Gandalf is a demigod, and he didn't want to go anywhere near the thing. Of the three 'resisters' you mentioned, only Bombadil truly resisted - and I think that was because of who (or rather, what) he is. A nature spirit, tied to a specific feature of the landscape, wouldn't be affected in any way by bottled demigodly power.
Galadriel, of course, nearly didn't resist - she was on the verge of accepting (and had thought long and hard about what she'd do - in fact, the way she describes it sounds more like a fond daydream or fantasy). Ultimately, yes, it was a form of self-knowledge that gave her that resistance - the knowledge that the time of the Eldar was past, and that it was time for her to 'diminish, and go into the West'... even if the West wouldn't have her ('But if of ships I now should sing/What ship would come for me?').
And Sam? I like to image Sam resisted because, of all the people who encountered the Ring, he's the only one who actually knows what hard work (as opposed to fighting) feels like. So the promise of 'I can do all this effortlessly' would be met with 'There's no such thing as a free lunch (as my old Gaffer used to say)'.
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Now, why would you think that it could do good? by
on 2014-01-31 20:15:00 UTC
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Actually, what, exactly, does that ring do anyway? I know it makes you invisible, and that it makes Sauron nearly invincible, but what other effects dos it have? When has it made anyone (other then Sauron) do anything other then turn to shadow and fall into Sauron's gaze?
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Ah, well. by
on 2014-01-31 21:15:00 UTC
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"But I have so little of any of these things! You are wise and powerful. Will you not take the Ring?"
"No!" cried Gandalf, springing to his feet. "With that power I should have power too great and terrible. And over me the Ring would gain a power still greater and more deadly." His eyes flashed and his face was lit by a fire within. "Do not tempt me! For I do not wish to become like the Dark Lord himself. Yet the way of the Ring to my heart is by pity, pity for weakness and the desire of strength to do good. Do not tempt me! I dare not take it, not even to keep it safe, unused. The wish to wield it would be too great for my strength. I shall have such need of it. Great perils lie before me."
It's rather more abrupt in the film; I'd forgotten the original. Still, Gandalf thought its strength would allow him to do some kind of good.
As to what the Ring - or rather, the Rings - do... this will need a Netilardo post, I think, but just off the top of my head:
There are three 'kinds' of Ring. The Seven and the Nine were made pretty much identically, by Sauron and the Eldar. The Three were made solely by the Eldar, and the One by Sauron alone. Still, they seem to share some attributes:
-The Sixteen and the One can shift Men (and the related Hobbits) into the spirit world, along with their clothes. We don't know what effect they have on Elves, though they do not turn dwarves invisible. Nor do we know whether the Three can turn anyone invisible, though we can say for sure they can't do it to elves. We do know that none of them can make a Maia invisible - since both Sauron with the One, and Gandalf with Narya, were visible.
-All the Rings had the power to halt decay. In the case of the Three, this was applied to whatever the bearer chose - Gandalf used Narya on all of Middle-earth, Galadriel and Nenya sustained Lorien. In the Sixteen and the One, at least as worn by Men (and Hobbits), it led to unnatural extension of life - and, at least with the Nine, becoming eventually a wraith. (Gandalf says the One would do the same thing, but no-one has ever tested the idea)
-When borne by a dwarf, the Sixteen had the power to accumulate gold to a horde, somehow. They didn't grant extended life, since the Ring of Thror was passed down through the line of kings over thousands of years, from Durin III.
-"Those who used the Nine Rings became mighty in their day, kings, sorcerers, and warriors of old. They obtained glory and great wealth..." That suggests that building wealth was an intrinsic property of the Sixteen - and maybe of the One, too: look how rich Bilbo became during his first few months as Ringbearer. But, of course, they need gold to accumulate gold.
-The quote above suggests that the Rings could also be used to enact 'sorcery' - though what exactly that means in Middle-earth is unclear. And this is the crux of the matter - aside from domination of the other Rings (which would require great strength of will; Gandalf could have done it, and turned the Nazgul against Sauron), and the paltry trick of invisibility - oh, and the money - the power of the Rings lay in sorcery. Find a description of a non-Maia, non-Elf using magic, and you'll have a guess as to what the One could do if wielded properly.
hS
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any ideas on what the lesser rings (the essays in ringcraft) could do? Because that's what I was playing with in terms of Moriarty in my Ringlock crossover (darn you, making me interested in continuing it): he was part of the Gwaith-i-Mirdan but got corrupted by Sauron and is now doing bad, Moriarty-esque things.
I need a plausible reason for him to be corrupted and I don't think a lesser ring is going to corrupt him so easily. Unless, you know, he was deranged from birth or something. Are there sociopathic Elves? Would Eol count? -
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on 2014-02-03 13:54:00 UTC
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Netilarda now has a theory about him.
According to Wikipedia, 'sociopathy' is essentially a synonym of 'psychopathy', which is described as 'characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, diminished empathy and remorse, and disinhibited or bold behavior'. By that measure, there are definitely sociopathic elves: off the top of my head, Feanor, Curufin (at minimum - I'd be tempted to count most or all of the Sons of Feanor), Eol, and Maeglin all count. Does it count if it's a learnt response - if someone's an evil monster because his father was, too (the Feanorions and Maeglin could both be this)?
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Urr. by
on 2014-02-02 08:58:00 UTC
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The fact that they were essays in ringcraft implies (duh) that they hadn't yet achieved the primary effect, or that they had an unwanted side-effect. I see two options:
1/ The longevity/sustaining effect (longevity in Men, environmental sustaining in Eldar and other immortals) wasn't yet in there. That means, depending on the time of making, they could have any combination of invisibility, wealth-generation, and sorcery.
2/ The sustaining was in there, but actually drained the user's life to do it. That would require adding a 'don't let the wearer's fea (soul) leave' function - which is fine for an elf, but causes rather awkward side-effects in mortals.
Actually, I rather like that second idea. The Rings cause invisibility - shifting the user entirely into the realm of spirits, not bodies. To a Valinorian Elda - and the leaders of Eregion were Noldor - they burn bright in both worlds, but you can imagine a shifting of viewpoint or power-focus. In the unseen realm, they would be able to view the 'spirit' of a location, and influence it accordingly.
For anyone who hadn't been to Valinor, they would find themselves shifted almost entirely to the unseen: invisibility. There they would be able to feel people's thoughts to some extent (since they would be actually looking at their souls), and would probably be able to work 'magic' of some kind - though what, exactly, I'm not sure.
The Rings apply their sustaining power to the body that wears it, in order to hold the fea in place - but the more a mortal uses a Ring, the more time their body spends in the unseen, and the less chance the Ring has to work on it. Thus the body fades away through lack of sustaining, while the fea is not yet free to leave, because the body never actually died.
(The Three, being made after Sauron left, would incorporate the latest innovation: they don't shift you into the unseen, but rather allow you to influence it while in the visible world. That explains how Elrond, Cirdan, and Gil-Galad can all use them without being invisible)
So there's a few options for what a lesser ring would do:
-Give you power, but drain your life while you use it, eventually leading to death.
-Give you wealth and magic, but drain everything around you.
-Give you power, but (if you weren't an Exile) make you invisible. - without the sustaining effect.
-... anything else, really. This is all theory. ;)
As to how corrupting they would be... while power corrupts, the main corrupting effect of the Rings (excluding the One) lies in their link to the One. The Master Ring - and its Master - rules over the others, and corrupts their users. It's not an intrinsic property of the rings.
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Fascinating. by
on 2014-02-02 15:09:00 UTC
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That actually sounds like something super cool. Maybe he wields a lesser Ring which did option two, but since he was an elf, it didn't have that big of an effect.
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My character will soon be ruled by it. by
on 2014-01-31 17:33:00 UTC
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I mean, look at his name! But Elrond will have the foresight to kick me out first, as I have a cohort of orcs weaving spidersilk for clothing. Yeah, I hadn't released Dark Lord Aakmal, have I?
If the ring falls into my character's hand, his world domination will be through economic and fashion sense. The One Ring promised him many people wearing his brand, and little taxes that he has to pay.
But, Master Galthrid from the other day may fall quickly to the ring's power, evoking his 'loyalty' to Sauron, and attempts to steal it and turn it to him.
Me myself IRL, truthfully I only want dominion over my state for a decade or two as I fix my state's situation. Large enough a way for the Ring to tempt me. I hope there's Gandalf to knock me senseless when I get mad enough. -
I'm not so sure it was a decision. by
on 2014-01-31 16:59:00 UTC
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In both the book and the film (and, for that matter, the Bakshi movie), I get the distinct impression that Frodo was being driven into taking on the Quest. This is arguably clearest in the book, where Bilbo is the first person to volunteer - only for Elrond(?) to tell him that no, his part's over, the Ring has passed to another. It's all he can do to keep from giving Frodo a significant look.
So that's a sort of answer to your last question: Frodo didn't really make a decision. Or rather, he did, but pointlessly: he would have ended up carrying the thing one way or the other.
I'll come back to the rest of it when I get a chance; no time now, but the question is very interesting.
hS