I must now ask this question:
Your Agents (or Agents-to-be) suddenly have access to Disneyland (whatever iteration of Disneyland that you're most familiar with, at least).
What would happen?
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Because I spent the day at Disneyland... by
on 2013-05-21 02:40:00 UTC
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Poor things by
on 2013-05-21 23:03:00 UTC
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Well... (spoilers ahead, but it's not like anyone cares :P) Probably get thrown out for trying to charge and execute Cinderella.
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Oh, gods yes. by
on 2013-05-22 02:26:00 UTC
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We could get into a whole debate about the Sue-ishness of each Disney princess, but I rewatched a lot of them recently and the only one that really screamed "Sue!" to me was Cinderella. That movie is so overhyped. Poor brainwashed little girls. (That was not me, Belle all the way!)
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I liked her a lot better in Cinderella 3. by
on 2013-05-22 04:56:00 UTC
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She actually had a bit of a personality.
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on 2013-05-22 12:58:00 UTC
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Cinderella 3 blew my mind. It should have been horrible because it was a sequel to Cinderella, but it was actually pretty good.
Ah, good, now I know not to rewatch Cinderella 2. I don't remember liking it much as a kid anyway. -
Ouch. by
on 2013-05-21 19:31:00 UTC
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Given my ideas for agents? Their day would *not* go well at all.
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DIDNEY WORL! by
on 2013-05-21 17:46:00 UTC
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Or, for those who cannot tell what the heck that was, Disney World for me. Let's see,
Marvin would have a blast just going around and seeing all the fun things. I cannot tell what his favorite park would be. I think he would enjoy all of it (except the little kiddies rides) and just generally have a blast. He is a big kid at heart, and having opportunity to let it all out would be exhilarating for him.
Printworthy would have fun at most of the parks, but would be more interested at the opportunity to study human culture and entertainment first hand. As such, his favorite park would probably be Epcot as well, but for different reasons. Seeing how an untamed planet works, without having to go into the Everfree Forest would be amazing for future works and his own curiosity. Then, going to all the human culture exhibits and seeing how different people act based off of location and history would be exiting. Besides that, the Animal Kingdom would be interesting to watch him go through, as he tries to communicate with all the hoofed animals and it does not work. It would be funny to read about at least.
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What a fun question. ^_^ by
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My frame of reference is Disney World, so let's go with that one.
Jenni is all for this idea, seeing as she has a young child who would be massively entertained by all the age-appropriate stuff (until he got tired). She and Henry might have to bail on Disney and go hit up Universal Orlando for the Wizarding World of Harry Potter, though.
Ilraen would get a kick out of pretty much everything, though if he's in human morph instead of a disguise (which would make the better story), he might have to be kept on a leash—all that enticing theme park food, you know. He might have to avoid the more popular attractions, since being stuck in line for more than two hours would be a Very Bad Thing for him, but he'd be pretty happy just gawking at everything. Really real reality is a bit of a novelty for him in and of itself.
Nume would not enjoy the large crowds and screaming children, and I can't imagine he's much for rides, but Disney World pretty much has an attraction for everyone. Epcot is more his speed. If they have adults-only days, that would be ace in his book. Realistically, though, he'd probably get dragged around by Jenni and/or Ilraen and just have to suck it up.
Derik and Gall would most likely be confused and overwhelmed by everything, which is pretty dangerous in both their cases. Derik has some sense and can generally keep it together enough to stop Gall from doing anything stupid, but one bad mood swing and that's the end of that. I wouldn't trust them by themselves, personally.
If I didn't have a million other things to do, I might have to write this. {= D
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Doc would probably have the most fun finding and reading all the little bits about the history of Disneyland. "Great Moments With Mr. Lincoln" would probably be his favorite thing of all. Of course, he would also need to hit the shops for any interesting biographies about Walt (even he/I need to read a little nonfiction sometimes).
Vania would be riding the "good" rides over and over: Haunted Mansion, Pirates of the Caribbean, Big Thunder Mountain, Indiana Jones Adventure, Star Tours. Over and over and over and over. And over. She would probably drive the guests around her nuts with singing along to any song that catches her ear. Especially when she tries to join in with the Dapper Dans. Any stages musicals would be right up her alley as well. Vania would go shopping too, but for music rather than reading.
Although, if this is happening after my upcoming mission to Epic Mickey, they may have unsettling flashbacks to the Cartoon Wasteland's creepy, run-down versions of the rides . . .
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Wellllllllll. by
on 2013-05-21 06:50:00 UTC
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I may or may not have gotten this idea from riding that Buzz Lightyear shooting ride thing, because I imagined this mass vacation day when the PPC just swamps the Happiest Place on Earth (many agents would have to be disguised as humans, so the park workers don't turf them out under the assumption that they're dressing up or something). And there'd be agents trying to beat each other's highscores on the Buzz Lightyear ride and making snide comments at the droids on the Star Tours ride and singing "It's A Small World" incessantly.
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I smell RP potential. by
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Although I have no idea what Disneyland is like.
Then again, having Sophie drag her father up and down the park is a pretty cute mental image... It might be worth revisiting. -
It's like other Disney theme parks. by
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Well, at least it's like the Magic Kingdom in Disney World. And if the Disney parks in Europe and Asia have Sleeping Beauty's Castle and the Matterhorn and Space Mountain, then it'd be like them too.
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I was actually writing something kinda about this by
on 2013-05-21 06:33:00 UTC
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Because I wanted to see how they'd act in a relatively normal environment/setting, doing normal things and so on.
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Same here by
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Disney World is the only incarnation I've been to. So.....
Cass: Would probably show her whimsical side and end up *everywhere*, especially anywhere in the Magic Kingdom and Animal Kingdom. I imagine she'd enjoy the water parks, as well. and she'd be keeping an autograph book too. She'd enjoy everything, especially the cute and extreme rides. Also, I think she'd like the cultural relevance of Epcot. She'd also beg Sol to let her try out for "The American Idol experience". She might also drag Sol to character breakfast.
Solstice: Probably wouldn't enjoy herself that much in Magic Kingdom. Would be dragged around by Cass on every cute ride there is, multiple times, and stand in line to get all character autographs, staring daggers at Cass every so often. She would probably hate Peter Pan, try to find the off switch for "It's a Small World" before being dragged away by Cass (but not before purchasing one of those "I survived 'It's a Small World'" t-shirts). She'd probably hide the fact that she likes the extreme rides, and would most likely enjoy Epcot. When Cass would ask to try out for AI, she would crack eventually. I think her favorite thing would be the rocket ride, but it might make Cass dizzy since it relies a lot on a screen.
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Disneyland, you say? by
on 2013-05-21 03:38:00 UTC
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Well, I have a pair of potential agents I've been creating for if I ever apply for Permission (read: when I feel like my writing isn't terrible anymore), so I shall answer your question.
The girl from World One whose name may or may not become Zoë would probably briefly look up from her book, find a bench or a quiet corner, and then go right back to reading. Seriin, the elf from one of my original worlds, Rhel, would probably look around, be overwhelmed, and then start talking and asking questions at Zoë without breaking for breath, like she tends to do when she's excited. Zoë would growl "Shut up!" and then pointedly ignore her partner. Seriin would wander off, get lost, realize that Zoë has the RA, and curse the Narrative Laws of Comedy while trying to find her partner by navigating Disneyland as though it were HQ.
Meanwhile, Zoë would look up from her book, realize that Seriin's not there anymore, and go chasing after her-- as well as she can while also holding her book open to the right page because she lacks a bookmark and doesn't want to bend the corners. When they finally find each other, they would be relieved for a small instant before getting annoyed at each other again, and then someone would spot the knife that Zoë was fingering and call security while the Agents escape through a portal to their RC.
Sorry, was that too long? They don't even exist yet!
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Oh, and I've never actually been to a theme park, so... by
on 2013-05-21 03:40:00 UTC
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...if any of this seems off, blame it on my lack of experience.
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Disney World, in my case. by
on 2013-05-21 03:22:00 UTC
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Hey, when you live five hours south of a theme park, what's your school to do for long field trips, y'know?
Florestan: Well, Florestan would probably run straight for all the "mountains" that are all over the place. He is a fan of things that go fast, after all.
Eusabius: Definitely up for some Haunted Mansion fun times. I imagine he's also the kind of guy who would spend tons of time in Tomorrowland and Adventure Land as well.
Anneli: Fantasyland girl all the way.
Xanthus: Now Xanthus... Xanthus is much more of an EPCOT kind of guy, what with having a curiosity for Earth and all that. He might be disappointed to find that there's no dextro food, and that indeed there aren't that many rides, but I think he'd appreciate it nonetheless. Besides, Test Track is a pretty awesome ride...
Cindy: Poor Cindy would probably be dragged around by Anneli. Not that she minds, but Cindy might start complaining after being on "It's A Small World" for the eighth time.
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You know, if Cindy wanted to be dragged around by someone other than Anneli... *points to her post above*
~Neshomeh, frantically shooing plotbunnies (and not doing a very good job). -
Well, in that event... by
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Cindy could always use the excuse to break away from Anneli, LOL. Or maybe Anneli could start dragging Ilraen behind them as well. I dunno: either way, Anneli would react with usual perk and craziness:
"Wait, you mean you totally don't want to go on the Peter Pan ride for the eighth time? It'll be fun!"
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Things I Am Not Allowed to Do at the PPC Part XXVI by
on 2013-05-21 16:18:00 UTC
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- Under no circumstances may Tortuous Convolvulus be recruited.
- The resulting discord and infighting would certainly destroy the PPC.
1840. I may not brew the Hearts and Hooves love poison.
1841. I will not nuke Barad-Dûr.
1842. I will not nuke Annuvin.
1843. Rose Potter is not a suitable role model.
1844. Singing "Go Down, Moses" in Terahnee is liable to get me killed.
- It's about the freeing of Book-Worlders, after all.
1845. I may not throw Tarkin into the sarlacc.
1846. I will not attempt to practice the Art of the Forest as Natty Bumppo and Chingachgook do.
- Most 'verses do not operate that way.
1847. I will not ask Agent Takua if she's good at Kolhii.
- Under no circumstances may Tortuous Convolvulus be recruited.
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Test This Out by
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Okay, let me take a crack at this.
-Orochimaru is not ever, ever, ever allowed to meet the Doctor. Ever. It only gives him ideas.
--Or any Time Lords.
--Or Jack Harkness.
--Or anyone who has ever come back from the dead (This including Gandalf, Kara Thrace, and roughly half the Marvel Universe).
-I am not allowed to make a ˆTerminatorˆ joke to a Cylon.
--They never get the joke, and you end up dead anyway.
-I will not give Agent Snapshot a cupcake.
-I will not put Juugo and Bruce Banner in the same room and make them angry.
--While the resulting fight would no doubt be epic, the reason that it is a bad idea should be obvious. -
A Few More by
on 2013-05-28 02:38:00 UTC
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Shang Tsung. Dementor. Just no.
I will not scream and cry out, "Scootaloo!" if I see another agent eating chicken.
I will not taunt Nightwolf from "Mortal Kombat" by asking him is he knows Jacob from "Twilight". His wolf form is his Animality, not lycanthropy. -
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Addendum to the Nightwolf one:
- Nor will I taunt Fenrir Greyback this way. -
A few more. by
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- If I am in possession of a mythril necklace, I will not leave it on top of my console.
-especially if the console is prone to screaming words instead of [BEEP]ing.
-I will not leave the necklace on top of someone else's console, either.
-In fact, if I have any inanimate object capable of speech, I will not leave it on top of another inanimate object capable of speech, especially if the latter object is or has a function similar to a CAD or a console.
0. I must not portal Captain Jack Harkness into the 50th Anniversary episode of Doctor Who.
-No, not even though John Barrowman says it would be a travesty for him not to be in it.
-Using a TARDIS instead of a portal is right out.
0. I must not create and/or spread rumors that Lenore Snow is the reincarnation of Agent Len.
-Agent Len might not even be dead.
-Who's Lenore Snow, anyway? We can't find a single agent or PPC civilian going by that name.
-Just don't have anything to do with those rumors, alright?
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I really do hope Jack turns up anyway. And I'm sorry if you're offended, Lenore--that's not how I meant this...
~DF
- If I am in possession of a mythril necklace, I will not leave it on top of my console.
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Re: Things I Am Not Allowed to Do at the PPC Part XXVI by
on 2013-05-25 13:20:00 UTC
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X) I will not gather together all of the fictional versions of Excalibur (or any other similarly ubiquitous weapon with multiple incarnations) just to see what happens.
- If I ignore the previous instruction, I will definitely not melt down all the different variations of the sword, and attempt to re-forge them into one Sword of Pure Awesomeness.
-- If I ignore that instruction, I fully accept that such a sword would undoubtedly be confiscated from me.
X+1) I will not attempt to re-forge Narsil, no matter how badly my LARP blacksmith character needs the practise.
X+2) Even if I have just ‘accidentally’ acquired an army of minis, I still can’t go on a rampage throughout HQ (unless I file the appropriate paperwork with my Department Head first).
X+3) I will not ridicule the theory that Slorps are capable of reproducing via mitosis, nor will I attempt to get agents to consider the implications of the phrase ‘meatloafslash’. -
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-I will not point out any Freud-ness in Reinforce's new Device
-I will not try to figure out how Bardiche's Zanber form's proportions seem to be as fluid as a swimming pool
-I will not introduce the Movieverse Chrono and Yuuno to the Liese twins
--Chances are that Chrono still knows them, anyways
-I will not try to set up a deathmatch between Walpurgisnacht and the Book of Darkness' berserk defense program
-Introducing the Wolkenritter to Servants, the Holy Grail's corruption and the berserk defense program, or in any way letting Book of Darkness and Holy Grail War creations come into contact is strictly prohibited
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-I will not introduce Dark Sakura to Emperor Palpatine. Nothing good will come out of this.
-I will not use 'Reinforce Zwei in a box' as an exclamation near Agent Corolla.
-I will not give Archer a TARDIS.
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Addendums by
on 2013-05-24 21:26:00 UTC
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To the Corolla one:
-- Not even if she actually hid in a box to try and scare me.
To the Archer one:
-- Neither I will give him the Delorean.
-- Homura Akemi's shield is right out.
--- Besides, she would kill me.
(Yeah, I know. I'm making more addendums than actual entries.) -
Isn't the plural 'addenda'? I know it would be, in Latin... (nm) by
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Latin and I don't mix. (nm) by
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Oh, this should be fun. by
on 2013-05-23 00:30:00 UTC
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- If I see Agents Jacques Bonnefoy and Luxury together, I will run.
-I will not approach them.
-I will not talk to them.
-Staying to watch is right out.
-Yes, even if they invite me.
-Why aren't you running yet? Do you not understand the amount of Bleepka you're going to need?
0. I will not use 'Glaurung' as a swear word anywhere in the general vicinity of the Calaquendi agents (especially Naergondir).
-'Glamdring' is not an acceptable substitute.
-'Gondolin' is right out.
0. I will not tease the Disentangler about her planet having a beige sky.
-She'll only tell me it's beige because it's morning, anyway.
0. I will not tease the Agent about this either.
-Teasing Agent Morgan is right out.
-In fact, don't tease any of the Time Lord agents about this odd addition to their canon.
0. I will not use the phrase 'Beige sky over Gallifrey!' as an exclamation around any Time Lord agents.
-It may sound authentic, but it doesn't exist and is likely to get you strangled or thrown into a TARDIS' Eye of Harmony.
0. I must not portal lampposts into HQ.
-It's not funny.
-People are still traumatized from being tied upside-down to lampposts during the Blackout.
-FicPsych has more than enough work already.
-Seriously, just don't do it.
0. I will not keep a lamppost in my room/the corridor and tie Sues to it upside-down.
-Yes, even if the Sues deserve it.
-Canon characters are right out.
-In fact, I am not Batman and Sues/possessed canon characters are not Gotham's criminals, and I must remember this.
0. Robin did not get lost in HQ during the Blackout. This is a false rumor.
-No, Superman did not come looking for him.
-Batman didn't either.
-These are all lies, and I must not perpetuate them.
-No, not even if I found their notes.
-In fact, would you mind looking this way, please? *flash!*
0. I really should avoid tempting the Laws of Narrative Comedy.
-Yes, you probably know this, but it bears repeating.
-Taunting the Ironic Overpower is right out.
-Trust us; we know what we're talking about.
0. I must not shove Dean Winchester and Castiel together and tell them, "Now, kiss!"
-I also must not do this with Arthur and Merlin.
-Even though that one's practically canon.
-Actually, both of them are practically canon.
-It's still not a good idea, though.
-Doing this with Sherlock and John is right out.
-Yes, we know they're practically canon too. We know what good shipteasing looks like.
-We'd add in 'don't do this with Spock and Kirk (any incarnation), either' but we assume you already know this.
-They are considered the fathers (grandfathers?) of slash, after all.
0. I must not confuse the names of Uriel and Ariel.
-One is an Archangel. The other is the personification of Jerusalem and may have the head of a lion.
-Yes, Ariel could also be the Little Mermaid.
-Just don't confuse them, alright? It's embarrassing, and leads to awkward situations.
0. I must not invent de-Horcruxing rituals (or any rituals) that invoke the wrong angel.
-Especially in continua that never prove the existence or non-existence of such beings.
-It's really awkward, and may pull in canon characters from Supernatural.
-Not all of them are friendly.
-If you must write such rituals, please realize that naming Harry Potter as Raphael's vessel is right out.
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For anyone curious about what Calaquendi agents I'm going on about, they should be up and introduced within the next day or two. I just wanted to post all of these together so that I wouldn't wind up forgetting anything.
~DF
- If I see Agents Jacques Bonnefoy and Luxury together, I will run.
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Re: Things I Am Not Allowed to Do at the PPC Part XXVI by
on 2013-05-22 21:46:00 UTC
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[SPOILERS FOR STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS]
I will not introduce the BBC version of Sherlock Holmes to the Star Trek reboot version of Khan Noonien Singh.
-The resultant amount of British supergenius would probably destroy the world.
-And attract far too many fangirls.
I will not blind people with lens flare.
-Unless I am J.J. Abrams.
-No, you are not J.J. Abrams.
I will not introduce Cinderella to Captain Janeway.
-Or Hermione.
-Or any other well-rounded female character with weapons.
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Things I should probably never do in HQ or out by
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- No matter how much I want to, I am not to lock Spock, Sherlock Holmes, and Tony Stark in a closet, with or without a box of scraps.
- I will not build scale models of Annuvin, Barad-Dûr, Isengard, the Aperture Science Labs, or any world from the Myst franchise and attack passing agents with a DORKS set to "lilliputian" in order to populate them.
-- No, not even if the agents just complained to me about needing a vacation.
- Selling my handmade "THE SLORP: because evil is hammy" pins in front of the cafeteria is likely to get me attacked with a spatula.
- The Slorp and the Horta are not long-lost cousins.
- Trying to compare the direct similarities between The Mortal Instruments series and The Draco Trilogy is too long and utterly thankless of a task even for a PPC agent.
--- [For those of you who want to know, I've barely finished chapter 2 and I've found two direct paraphrases and two suspected Buffy quotes. And I'm bored.]
- Sledding down the stairs in the PPC on a trashcan lid, shooting ahead of me with Dr. Horrible's freeze ray, is a very stupid recreational activity that is likely to get me sent to ficPsych, if by some miracle I don't end up in Medical.
--That thing is prone to backfiring unpredictably.
- No matter how much I want to, I am not to lock Spock, Sherlock Holmes, and Tony Stark in a closet, with or without a box of scraps.
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SLORP: Evil is Hammy. by
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Sounds like one of those Unfortunate Shakespeare Adaptations where Hamlet investigates his father's death and suspects that his father's meatloaf ate him...
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That would be Shakespeare's finest work. by
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It would be improved even more if Hamlet, still speaking with typical Shakespearean vocabulary, monologues as he fights the Slorp-iteration in his father's throne room.
When Claudius walks in, all ready to be political and slip poison into things, he sees his nephew in pitched battle with a towering meat-creature and sneaks inconspicuously back into the hallway with a remark of "Forthwith, I shall show myself out." -
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT. by
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"TO BE," cries Hamlet, "OR NOT TO BE - THAT IS THE QUESTION FOR YOU, O FOUL MURDERER AND EATER OF MY FATHER!"
"GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRGHLE SPLORT-DINGLE-WINGLE!" screeches the meatloaf in reply as Hamlet stabs at it with a foil once more.
And meanwhile, off to the side, Laertes stands there with his own sword, feeling a bit left out and wholly unavenged.
(This needs to be a production by the PPC's own A Troupe By Any Other Name. Well, after they do Mac----, anyway. -
Spock, Sherlock Holmes, and Tony Stark in a closet by
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I love you. That is the best
ideathing ever. Although your other things never to do are awesome as well.
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Re: Things I Am Not Allowed to Do at the PPC Part XXVI by
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n. I will not imitate Wheatley around Evie in order to get a sarcastic reaction.
- I will not imitate Wheatley around Evie for any reason.
n+1. I will not test Sue assassination methods on Evangelion-verse Angels.
n+2. I will not put Leeloo, Alice and Violet Song jat Shariff in a room together 'just to see what happens'.
- Recording what does happen is right out. -
Mwahaha. by
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-I will not attack a Weeping Angel with a sledgehammer.
-I highly doubt it works, and if it doesn't, one blink and you are one very very dead agent.
-I must not be in the general vicinity *ever* of a bodiless Makuta searching for a vessel.
-I will never play tag with a Creeper
-No, seriously. Bad Idea.
Eh. Not all of these may be good, but I certainly like the one about playing tag with a Creeper. -
Some more... by
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Addendum to the Weeping Angel one:
-Jackhammers are right out.
-Seriously, one of the ones we had to deal with during the Blackout survived two plasma grenades. After being shot at with an anti-materiel rifle. Leave. Them. Alone.
And now, some original ones:
- I will not ask Technician Corolla to make my console sentient just to have it scare my partner.
-- The fact that Corolla would be very willing to help with such a prank is not a valid justification.
--- Is there any prank she isn't willing to help with?
-- Besides, she already made more than enough sentient consoles. DoSAT is already working overtime to fix all of them.
- I will not try to grow my own miniature Slorp by hiding a Sue-meat meatloaf under my bed.
-- Aside from the smell, I would end up being its first meal, and The Doctor isn't always avaible to save the PPC.
- I will not put a bee nest into a Flower's office to see if they can make honey out of them. That's disgusting.
-- Besides, if it happened to be possible it would end up in the Cafeteria. With all the unfortunate implications of that. -
Shouldn't that be an anti-MATTER rifle? (nm) by
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Nope. It's an actual thing! by
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Anti-materiel rifle.
For use when you don't have enough gun. -
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???. The C-14 Gauss Impaler Rifle is not an acceptable substitue for a nail gun.
???. I will not have a Weeping Angel and a Silent fight to the death in an arena for my own entertainment.
- I put an Angel and a what now into an arena? I can't remember.
???. We shall never talk about the Travelocity gnome incident ever again.
???. I will exercise restraint in the presence of Khalisah al-Jilani.
???. New Caledonia is not "Party Town."
???. Patrol Officer Taldaris is not afraid of the mini-Slorps.
- His cloak is not named Mister Snugglies either.
???. Rocket jumping. No.
???. I will not use my (unwitting) partner as a Jarate manufacturer.
???. I will leave the Aegis of the Immortal in its home canon of DOTA.
-Roshan will probably turn me into purée anyways.
-- The cheese is totally worth it, though.
???. Killing magical Suvians does not make me an Anti-Mage.
???. Zen gardens do not belong on Shakuras. -
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(I can't keep up with the numbers at this point.)
- I am not allowed to steal the magic notebook from Maxwell.
-- No good could come of it anyhow.
- I am not allowed to address the First and Forsaken Lion with, "'Sup bra."
-- They don't call him a DEATH knight for just any reason.
- In a similar vein, I am not allowed to attempt a high-five with Arthas.
-- Mainly because he'd kill me, and also because he's too tall.
- It is almost certainly a death wish to yell "LOOK AT ALL THESE UGLY F***ERS!" in Silvermoon City.
-- Or anywhere primarily frequented by blood elves, really.
- Gandalf is not some conjurer of cheap tricks, and I must remember this.
-- It's also probably a bad idea to do magic fingers in front of Saruman and go "haminah haminah hooo!"
-For the love of all things, DON'T EVER FIRE A RED BIRD AT THE S.O.!
-- Getting fired would be the LEAST of my worries then.
- Introducing Commander Shepard to his Gary Stu clone in Parallel Realities will likely get me punched in the throat, at the very least.
-- I'd personally like to not think about what the would do at the worst extreme
- Let it be noted: streaking in front of Samantha will only make the zombies want to kill me more.
-- You just can't be a drunk enough Russian to get away with that.
- Oh, by all means, let's just piss off a Charizard on Giant Pokemon Island, I'm sure nothing bad will happen.
-- On a related note: Let's never introduce Lucy from Elfen Leid and MewTwo to each other. It was hell enough for their respective series to deal with them escaping captivity and to notch security. -
Ah, fun. by
on 2013-05-21 22:37:00 UTC
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Cafeteria meatloaf is not a toy.
-Nor is it a scientific specimen worth resurrecting ala Frankenstein.
-Slorp was bad enough; we don't want zombie Slorp running around the place.
Asking about Agent Eledhwen and Christianne's relationship is liable to get me maimed.
-Especially if it's about sexual things. They're not like that.
-Seriously. No matter what Lux says.
The Travelocity gnome is not a Weeping Angel.
-No, not even if it's creepy as heck.
Not allowed to break into DoSAT to steal a TARDIS.
-Seriously, it was only cool when the Doctor did it.
Not allowed to attempt to neuralyse a Silent.
The Eye of Harmony is not a toy. -
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on 2013-05-21 21:45:00 UTC
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-Antimatter is not a toy.
-I am not allowed to pit Thrawn against Creed in any strategy game. Ever.
-If a Sue uses Car-Fu, Tank-Fu is not the correct countermeasure. -
Re: Things I Am Not Allowed to Do at the PPC Part XXVI by
on 2013-05-21 19:40:00 UTC
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I will not introduce a Blocker to the Witch Wall.
I will not encourage Lord Fear to try to gain access to the internet.
I will especially not give Lord Fear a copy of the Evil Overlord List in any way, shape or form.
- No, not even indirectly. -
Re: Things I Am Not Allowed to Do at the PPC Part XXVI by
on 2013-05-21 17:14:00 UTC
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- I will not ask agent Desdendelle if he's a fungus.
1850a. Nor will I ask him if he is in a relationship with a vampiric tree.
1851. I will not let Kha-Beleth, the Demon Sovereign, meet with Sauron. Nothing good will come out of it.
1852. I will not attempt to fuse Armageddon's Blade with the One Ring.
- I will not ask agent Desdendelle if he's a fungus.
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Re: Things I Am Not Allowed to Do at the PPC by
on 2013-05-21 17:02:00 UTC
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I will not introduce Shang Tsung from "Mortal Kombat" to Sauron.
-Nor will I ask Shao Kahn if he knows a famous starship captain James T. Kirk.
The Andalite Escafil device is not a toy. -
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on 2013-05-21 17:00:00 UTC
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I will not introduce Shang Tsung from "Mortal Kombat" to Sauron.
-Nor will I ask Shao Kahn if he knows famous starship captain by the name of James T. Kirk.
The Andalite Escafil device is not a toy. -
Sorry about the double posting. (nm) by
on 2013-05-21 17:03:00 UTC
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Verification request: Interview link. by
on 2013-05-21 17:13:00 UTC
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http://www.englishchick.com/badfic/msinterview.htm
It appears to make quite a bit of sense, but how correct is it really? To which extent can it be made to conform with the PPC 'verse? -
Nice! by
on 2013-05-21 19:40:00 UTC
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I don't know that I can comment on the "correctness" of the piece, since everyone's definition of Mary Stu, canon, and where the two intersect, is different - but it is a helpful dialogue, and a useful one for writing. As far as PPC canon goes, I don't know that it could be made to conform with the PPC 'verse, but I don't think that makes it any less interesting, or important, or even correct - we're hardly the arbiters of everything right about fanfic.
(Having poked at their main site, I must say I also rather like it overall. Interesting stuff!) -
Glad to help. by
on 2013-05-21 19:46:00 UTC
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And to gain the attention of one of the site's local Old Ones, eh.
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Bu lr tbqf V ubcr abg. by
on 2013-05-21 21:40:00 UTC
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(Or at least, two of them, since Neshomeh has been around far longer than me. :P)
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What. by
on 2013-05-21 19:12:00 UTC
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What is this.
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Please elaborate. by
on 2013-05-21 19:21:00 UTC
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Quite exactly what the title says, else I can only give you directly obvious answers.
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An enjoyable read. by
on 2013-05-21 18:22:00 UTC
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I laughed in a few spots. {= )
I think the main problem with it as far as meshing with the PPC definition goes is that we don't define Mary Sues as necessarily being author-inserts. Sure, they might be, but making the accusation means making assumptions about people we've never met based on a piece of fiction, which is kind of not cool and also debases our claim that our problem is the writing, not the author. If we can't separate the Sue from its author, how do we expect the author to do so?
Also, not all author-inserts are necessarily Sues, which I think the article demonstrates without meaning to. A self-insert that keeps to herself and doesn't muck with the plot or characters, as seems to be the case with Ophidia, is not a Mary Sue by our definition. In fact, she seems like an interesting original character to me.
By the way, I don't think I've seen you around before. Are you new to the Board?
~Neshomeh -
In a way. by
on 2013-05-21 18:45:00 UTC
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I've been lurking, reading every material I could find (except, of course, the badfics themselves - sanity is wanted intact), and will later be attempting to convert some of my own OCs into prototype agents to acquire Permission for.
On something rather different: Modifying the main canon line by extrapolation is difficult, but has goodfic potential.
Writing AU might be easier, but also has goodfic potential.
What about writing EU (just in case: Expanded Universe)?
Asking this mostly for my own use, since I've created a relatively large group of characters that exist in a 'verse without making contact with the protagonists (one of which, by the way, happens to be my agentification candidate, simply because he recognises that remaining in a 'verse where the author's wish fulfillment concerning hugs, kisses and nookie with an obscure, AU main character LO conflicts with his characterisation as psychotically unemotional and therefore is likely to lead to filibuster.)
That was a chunk of meta, I fear. Haven't been writing much self-deprecation as of recently, so forgive the practice attempt.
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In that case, welcome. {= ) by
on 2013-05-22 16:26:00 UTC
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Have a bumper sticker! It says, "Got Bleepka?"
I think exploring what's going on somewhere else in the world has great goodfic potential. Most stories have a lot more people in them than just the main protagonists, after all; we just don't always see them or know their names.
As for agents, "psychotically unemotional" is not something that we typically want to see in a permission request, but I think I saw something in your actual introduction thread about putting him in FicPsych until he learns to be a human being, so that's reassuring. Agents are our proxies in the missions, so they need to be somewhat relatable, and most of us have some emotion regarding badfic. {= )
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Well, hello in any case! by
on 2013-05-21 22:21:00 UTC
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One of my agents is a background character in Lord of the Rings; if you watch the coronation scene in the film of Return of the King she's supposed to be somewhat behind Legolas.
So yeah, characters-that-exist-in-a-'verse sort of agents aren't exactly new around here. :'D And I know the Time Lord Agents I've got have some backstory details that pull from the Doctor Who expanded universe, so yeah.
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Introductory statements. by
on 2013-05-21 23:48:00 UTC
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First off, this particular writer is from a most reviled corner of the Internet, namely, the intersection of the brony and furry fandoms (or at least this author personally reviles said corner). Be warned: He has seen almost everything, and cannot accurately judge how squicky it is to the uninitiated.
Second, he has an odd tendency of third-person-personing himself, as if trying to evoke the feeling that in fact he is writing his own characterisation.
Third, he's fully capable of fan-dumb doublethink: Rabid in one direction, capable of absolutely detesting overzealous fans at the same time, all the while making fun of them as well as himself.
Well, that should have led to a few people closing the tabs, so it's time to drop any semblance of formalities.
I'm here primarily for the purpose of learning to write a god-damn plot (which, so far, I do not believe I can even without divine damnation), and for the chance to spork (as mentioned above, humorously hypocritically) the odd badfic that manages to catch my eye.
Well, that's all for now. Let's see how well I can blend in. -
Welcome! by
on 2013-05-22 21:39:00 UTC
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A fine welcome to you! Enjoy the Board! Have some yummy cake. Don't eat it all at once. *assaults with cake*
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Welcome to the PPC! by
on 2013-05-22 18:43:00 UTC
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Don't worry, you're blending in quite well already. Third-person is no crime, nor is being a brony or furry (or both!).
Have some cookies and have fun with the PPC! -
Salutations by
on 2013-05-22 15:40:00 UTC
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Welcome, welcome!
Looks like we share a couple fandoms, Lord of the Rings, Artemis Fowl and Avatar (the cartoon series). :)
Welcome gifts! Since you're reading Lord of the Rings now, how about a Sam approved camping kit, a pair of pint glasses and a small ball of fur that when it waked up will either by a kitten or a puppy, depending on your preference. Welcome again! -
"Depending on my preference" by
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Will likely mean the opposite of my preference, knowing the Item Delivery Genie.
Therefore I'll turn it into Schrödinger's Furball, if you do not mind. -
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on 2013-05-22 20:29:00 UTC
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I would say drat that Genie! But hey, you get a much cooler pet out of the deal so I guess we should thank him... this time... :D
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@Demon Firen by
on 2013-05-22 12:20:00 UTC
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Salvete!
Writing a plot would, in fact, be a helpful skill to learn, although writing a well-structured one might serve you better than a god-damned one. Kudos to you for going after your amitions!
I proudly (proudly because I am also fairly new here) bestow upon thee a potted slughorn mushroom, and with it a superb method by which to blackmail your neighbors. I also give you this antique lapiz lazuli urn, just brimming with half-rotten tangerines. Because you never know what life will bring.
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Good to have you a-Board! by
on 2013-05-22 06:37:00 UTC
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Greetings, new friend! Have an unwritten novel!
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Welcome to you doom by
on 2013-05-22 05:03:00 UTC
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Have a voodoo doll made out of wire.
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First plover! (nm) by
on 2013-05-22 04:30:00 UTC
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Heyo! Welcome to the board! by
on 2013-05-22 04:16:00 UTC
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I'm Pauline, but everyone calls me Paulie.....no, I'm joking. No one calls me Paulie. Pauline suits me just fine (as you might have noticed, I'm also not particularly funny)
hmm.....gifts....bleepolate ice cream, sound good? Looks like you'll need it. -
That actually kind of made me giggle. by
on 2013-05-22 03:14:00 UTC
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That had to be one of the cheekiest intro statements I've ever read, well done.
I am a creature of an odd and eccentric nature who fully enjoys writing stories, drawing pictures, and mocking bad stories on the basis of, "because I feel like it." On the flip side, I am also prone to helping people who recognize that they need the help, because at my center I really am a good-meaning protagonist. Like, to the point where being a jerk in video games makes me cringe unless that was the point of the game.
Cram that all together, and you get SC!
Who now delivers a gift of: BleepNerds! Sweet, tangy, small, and brain bleaching for your convenience! -
I fear... by
on 2013-05-22 03:24:00 UTC
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That by this time I am immune to brain bleach. I have seen things, orifices, chemicals and actions the likes of which you would not even wish to imagine. Comes with being a furry, perhaps.
Some of these are so bad that I wouldn't even want to go in and spork them. My sanity would suffer severely, and that's bad for someone who's only just arrived.
That, and I wouldn't be able to eat anything non-vegetarian for weeks. Possibly fear the colour red. -
All good. by
on 2013-05-22 03:27:00 UTC
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I have the industrial strength mental hammering-flavored kind as well. It might leave you dazed and giggling incoherently about pretty ponies, and that means it's working.
Failing that, I'll just give you an ACTUAL hammer to mentally adjust with against the awful.
Failing that... Well, shit. -
Best to mind your language on-Board. Ta. (nm) by
on 2013-05-22 10:22:00 UTC
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I sowwy. by
on 2013-05-22 17:12:00 UTC
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Been snarking at too much badfic. Forgot my manners.
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Alternative to "Well, shit." by
on 2013-05-22 03:29:00 UTC
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How's about Bleepphene? It should do the trick, along with some neuralysations.
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That might work. by
on 2013-05-22 03:32:00 UTC
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I'm fairly certain I can snag a perscription or two from FicPsyche
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Oh, well. by
on 2013-05-22 03:50:00 UTC
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I'll be sending one of my planned!Agents there, anyway. Complete unemotionality that is only dispelled (and violently so) when his LO is near is an unhealthy condition after all.
Especially if it actually consists of emotional repression. -
Ah, emotional repression. by
on 2013-05-22 04:41:00 UTC
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How you eventually fail in spectacular fashion, likely in the worst possible way.
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Precisely. by
on 2013-05-22 14:43:00 UTC
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Unless, presumably, sufficient amounts of therapy are administered and the LO is kept at least two 'verses away.
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Or if they happen to know a good hypnotist. by
on 2013-05-22 17:10:00 UTC
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In which case, it's just a swinging pocket watch, some soothing words and a snap away from being not a problem.
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Memory alteration? by
on 2013-05-22 17:20:00 UTC
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Michael (the guy's name) is a character from the Star Fox 'verse, and at least psych-backups are known (Andross used them to resurrect himself, by copying one into his clones), so it would seem likely that other kinds of alteration are possible as well.
My guess is he's had them during his tour with the military, as sooner or later he'd slip up during standard med-psych examination. Still, since he'd eventually deserted (judging that, after barely surviving the Lylat Wars, the military would not pay enough for the risks he had to take) the therapy may be incomplete. -
...A REALLY good hypnotist? by
on 2013-05-22 19:16:00 UTC
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I'm pulling straws at this point.
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Well... by
on 2013-05-22 19:23:00 UTC
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You wouldn't happen to have an agent in FicPsy at this point?
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I had two DISCHARGED from FicPsyche. by
on 2013-05-22 22:21:00 UTC
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They have a crippling fear of pillows due to an incident in Yon Locale Pub, and may potentially never recover.
(RP only because I missed the mark with Permission, then lost interest for a second round.) -
That incident seems fascinating... by
on 2013-05-22 22:30:00 UTC
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...and a little more comical than my char's Freudian Excuse, perhaps?
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Oh, I could tell you stories. by
on 2013-05-23 00:59:00 UTC
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No, seriously, it's in the forum archives. Look up "All HQ Extra Vicious Pillow Fight" for details.
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I also forget my own name, sometimes. by
on 2013-05-22 03:16:00 UTC
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Yeah, that's a thing.
Ooh, look! I spawned a mini-Boarder!
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Well, hello thar. Again. by
on 2013-05-22 01:41:00 UTC
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Have some lemming repellent! And I'm not entirely sure what you mean by plot - plot of a story? Plot of a mission? Plot-arcs between multiple mission instalments?
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Well. by
on 2013-05-22 02:39:00 UTC
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By plot I mean the literary term, or, as TVTropes puts it: "A fictional(ized) series of events that have some connection."
I am not referring to the backside of an MLP-verse pony, although I certainly cannot write those, either.
As for the lemming-repellant, I'll spray some on my monitor when playing a certain game. Thanks! -
Introductory questions by
on 2013-05-22 01:07:00 UTC
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Welcome! I hope that you like what you see at the PPC.
Since no one seems to have asked the usual newbie questions yet, I it seems that it falls to me to do so:
1) Have you read The PPC Constitution and The Original Series?
2) Have you checked out the PPC Wiki?
3) How did you run across the PPC?
4) What are your fandoms?
Since you seem to be a brony, allow me to give my favorite brony gift:
*rummages through bag of holding*
*Pulls out a Pokeball*
Have a Rapidash, which I have had a good authority tell me resembles a certain angry Twilight Sparkle. -
Answers, laconically due to tab overcrowding. by
on 2013-05-22 01:24:00 UTC
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Yes and reading.
Yes.
TVTropes.
Covered here: http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=199610;article=243753;title=PPC%20Posting%20Board
Appreciated. I never caught one of those buggers myself, for some reason. I positively detested the place to find them, at least in Blue. -
Oh hai there! by
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Welcome to the PPC! We love newbies here, so come on in and leave your sanity at the door!
Here, have some music by Helmut Lachenmann as a welcome gift: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYKkZrPz13s -
Allow me to retort with Ligeti. by
on 2013-05-22 01:22:00 UTC
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Here, have some mind-bending choral: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iVYu5lyX5M
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Oh my God, another 20th Century Music enthusiast! by
on 2013-05-22 02:45:00 UTC
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Finally! I've been looking for a kindred soul forever!
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Not specifically focused, no. by
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Merely familiar. I pick what I like from where ever I find it.
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Well, you still know who Ligeti is, so you're close enough. by
on 2013-05-22 03:01:00 UTC
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Still, though, it's awesome. You need to get yourself used to more composers that were involved in similar kinds of things that Ligeti was doing, you really do.
*rubs hands together*
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I say... by
on 2013-05-22 03:04:00 UTC
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Anywhere but Webern and Penderecki, because I quite obviously already know those two. Cage, of course, I've heard of (he's almost memetic), but not exactly listened to.
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Well, then I'll get you started then. by
on 2013-05-22 03:15:00 UTC
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Since you mention Cage, I'll go ahead and link you to a short piano piece of his. You might find it sounds very strange, though, for various reasons that you'll see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUTXNxFvjDw
One guy you don't sound like you're familiar with would probably be Edgard Varese, who was a French composer who came to America in the 20's. He's known particularly for stuff like Ionisation, but he wrote a ton of other things. Like this, for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxJttYJt6Ks -
Hm. by
on 2013-05-22 03:22:00 UTC
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Now this is a piece I will not be able to play on my instrumental rig out in the corridor.
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Hello there! by
on 2013-05-22 00:50:00 UTC
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Welcome to the Board! Have some of my world-famous hydrophobic water to commemorate the event. Don't worry if it is trying to escape out of the canteen: it's supposed to do that.
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As someone who did Chem A-levels... by
on 2013-05-22 00:53:00 UTC
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Should I laugh or should I wince? I honestly do not know...but, the sentiment is appreciated.
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Laughing is always better! by
on 2013-05-22 01:03:00 UTC
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Sit back and enjoy watching the superfluids flow...
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*waves* by
on 2013-05-22 00:27:00 UTC
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I seem to be the first to greet you, so...
Greetings! *bows* Welcome to the Board of the PPC! And we're all at least partially insane here, so don't worry. As long as you don't go flamethrower-crazy, we're happy to have you.
Now, for thy newbie gift... *rummages around in pillowcase*
Here, since you haven't announced your fandoms, I shall give you one Lined and one Unlined Infinite Notebook, complete with urple covers and wilver binding. Beware your eyes!
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Do not worry. by
on 2013-05-22 01:21:00 UTC
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I am currently writing up pony-flavoured uburple for later distillation and mixing with DEM-grade DubeLube.
Fill this inside a casing and you have a most effective weapon against Sue-controlled canons - just be sure to use a canon-appropriate delivery system (from flasks to balloons to chem grenades) and clean up afterwards, thoroughly so as to not defile canon yourself.
Well, since you've brought it up...let's list the universes I can dispense some information about. DON'T QUIZ ME, you do not want to hear me ramble. Or...read me ramble.
Literature:
Inheritance, yes, it was gad, or bood.
Black Magician Trilogy. Surprisingly fun.
Harry Potter. Been a while.
Lord of the Rings. Reading it now, in fact. Don't ask me details, somehow my memory suffers.
Artemis Fowl. Oh, yes.
1984, Animal Farm. Who hasn't?
A modicum of Perry Rhodan. Not very much remains in memory.
Film:
Independence Day, distantly.
Star Wars, naturally.
Minority Report, notably.
Avatar, casually.
Reign of Fire, hilariously.
A few others, unremarkably.
Television:
MLP:FiM, as mentioned in my introduction. Nightmare Moon and Windigo fanboy. Celestia tastes like diabetes, old seasons were better, yadda yadda. Force me to watch through the S3 finale and put me in a boiler, you'll have superheated steam coming out of the pipes.
That other Avatar, I quite enjoyed it. Those guys did their research - I like. The shipping wars I do not get and will delightfully target if asked to.
Video Games:
BIG Star Fox fan. LO's from the pre-64 canon, known as Fara Phoenix (kudos if you remember the comics.)
I know my Mass Effect. In love with the research they did.
Also into Homeworld. (THE KADESHI DID SURVIVE...totally did.)
Mega Man Legends fascinates me, but is likely not important.
Fallout I've played. Comically serious and seriously comical.
Elder Scrolls...the lore overwhelms me. It is fun.
Music:
Old stuff. Old from Led Zeppelin over Ink Spots to Bach.
Right now it is Bach, in fact. Little Fugue, G minor. 578, BWV.
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A Question by
on 2013-05-22 05:04:00 UTC
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I was looking at the Blackout page on the Wiki a few days ago, curious to see whether there were any interludes I hadn't read, and I found DawnFire's "Meanwhile, in that RC with the open door...", which I really enjoyed.
I was just wondering whether there were further parts written than the three that I could find. If there are, would someone point me to them?
Thanks!
-Aila -
The Time Engineer is correct :) by
on 2013-05-22 23:20:00 UTC
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Also, hi! I'm so flattered (and happy) that you enjoyed my Interlude, especially so much that you went looking for more of it!
Part 4 is currently in the works, although it does seem to be going ahead, and (if you're curious) it looks like there are going to be quite a few more parts after it. Or possibly three or four really long parts, I'm not sure. It's definitely grown a lot in terms of plot, though.
Thanks for the good review! I'm quite happy to get it :)
(Thisinterludeissoconvolutedyoudon'tevenunderstandit'sridiculous)
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I can't wait to read them! And so much, too! (nm) by
on 2013-05-22 23:49:00 UTC
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It's going to be a crazy ride... by
on 2013-05-22 23:58:00 UTC
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I'm glad you're excited, though :) I'm excited too, honestly--just kind of overwhelmed by the sheer amount of plot.
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Part 4 by
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To my knowledge, part 4 is not out yet but is currently in production
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Ah I see. Thank you very much. (nm) by
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Thoughts go out to anyone affected in Oklahoma (nm) by
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/beams happy thoughts towards Oklahoma (nm) by
on 2013-05-23 03:14:00 UTC
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God bless! (nm) by
on 2013-05-23 01:19:00 UTC
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Best wishes for recovery (nm) by
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Mine as well, and thank you by
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My thoughts and prayers go out to the families affected by both Sunday and Monday's storms. Fortunately (though I'm sure they don't think so) there was only one casualty Sunday night, and Monday's storm only claimed 24. I say only because Monday night the news was saying 51 with the possibility of more. Though so many more have lost their homes.
I also appreciate those thoughts and prayers, it looks like it may be a rough tornado season, and while we (I live in Stillwater (which is right between the path of both storms. One went just North and the other just South) and there is family in Carney (about 25 miles South of Stillwater and around 45 miles North of Monday's tornado) haven't been affected by these two storms, there are more to come I'm sure. -
Re: Mine as well, and thank you by
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Guess I was wrong, Carney actually was hit, but there was no damage to family holdings 3 miles outside of town, so I hadn't realized the town actually did have some damage done to it.
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Thanks by
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We had to shelter last night, but we weren't in the storm path. We had a warning, nothing happened. That actually happens a lot. The county we're in gets hit quite a bit, but we physically don't....does that make sense? Apparently we're in between two rivers....or something....that's what we were told when we came here.
And apparently we just won the record a couple of weeks ago for the longest time the state's been tornado free. How ironic :/ -
I wish you luck (nm) by
on 2013-05-22 19:50:00 UTC
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I also add my thoughts and good wishes to the pile. (nm) by
on 2013-05-22 14:46:00 UTC
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Another writing question. by
on 2013-05-22 16:08:00 UTC
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Is it possible to subvert a trajeck past (ex: becoming an orphan, grandparental abuse, running away from home and ending up in the worst possible situation on the streets yet still somehow removing oneself from there) in a way that leaves the result as halfway acceptable character?
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The trick is in the execution. by
on 2013-05-22 16:38:00 UTC
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I think you'll find the trick in writing is always in the execution...
Anyway, the series of events you described is not impossible, or even implausible, really. It only becomes trajeck if it's written in such a way as to seem shoehorned in as a cheap means to make us sympathize with the character and otherwise has no bearing on their personality or behavior. Someone who went through all that is going to be deeply affected by it, so if they appear to be getting along just fine until the plot demands angst, it's not gonna work. However, if they're shown throughout the story to have (for example) trouble trusting people and forming close relationships, and tend to react to stressors like they're still on the street rather than "normally," and have to do actual work to overcome these issues rather than magically getting over them when their LO appears, that's a real character.
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It does, yes. by
on 2013-05-22 17:09:00 UTC
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The example I haven't pulled out of thin air; it is in fact the prototype backstory for one of my characters - his self-preservatory instincts command him to not recognise emotion in order to reveal no weakness:
First, any mistake he had made or confessed in his grandparents' presence they had perceived as insult to the memory of their daughter - of which he is the only remaining sample, genetically - and as such punished with the harshness ultra-traditional grandparents are infamous for (at least if I remember my own Gramma, and that one friend of Gramps'.)
Second, less emotionally, more rationally: Showing emotion may lead to showing weakness, not good if you're only sixteen, on the streets, cutting down free time (note: he has no concept of this, therefore will integrate well into the PPC) and sleep in order to both survive after the first break that caused him to run away from a psychologically awful, but materially sheltered life and somehow acquire enough of an education to join society as something other than underpaid worker (it was the military he'd signed up with when he grew of age, and also made use of their education program in exchange for twelve years' service.)
Combining this with my intended portrayal of him as someone who respects only usefulness in people, makes "friends" specifically to exploit them, consciously buries his issues and primarily focuses on survival, not living...I hope to have created a woobie of the Jerkass/Iron persuasion (that is, defying his own woobieism, lacking all moral integrity, but provoking maternal instincts in the unlikely case his backstory is discovered) who will allow you to hug him so long as you carry no pointy instruments and serve a certain purpose. In the literal case of hugging him: Meatshield.
I'm having alignment troubles with him, though. Lawful Neutral seems logical, as it grants a certain level of freedom (in the good/evil direction) while still providing stability.
Teal Deer:
Harsh past, coped with it at one point using Anger (cf: Five Stages of Grief!), this ended poorly, so he overworked himself to make things better (Bargaining) and eventually ended up semi-subconsciously ignoring the issues altogether, realising that the situation was not, in fact, actually going to improve (somewhere between Denial and Acceptance, on the Denial side.) Ironically this helped him acquire the peace of mind necessary to not get slapped with his universe's equivalent of Section 8. -
@Demon Firen by
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I think that this back story, if well-written and continuously holding actual consequences for your character, would not be bad at all. The only part that catches my eye is the concept of grandparents who blame him for errors simply because his mother is deceased. This seems as though it could be either quirky and interesting or pointless and, quite honestly, Stu-ish. Generally the difference between tragic and pathetic is breached by the true repercussions for the character, which I think you have thought through nicely, and the whole "It's not his fault..." thing, which I think you could improve on. That bit rubs me the wrong way a tad. Hope this helped!
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Again, "do keep in mind that" by
on 2013-05-22 22:27:00 UTC
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This backstory I've created I've mostly tried to narrate from an entirely neutral point of view, the details as distorted by the perception of a character - him - I will only expand on if he is questioned in this direction in FicPsy. As it is it's only a glorified excuse for him to behave as he does.
As far as the grandparents bit goes...I hate to say I took this bit from myself and extrapolated: Gramma was - if I recall - never totally content with me and Mom contently living and used to bring up Dad's death on every occasion, often trying to make me experience guilt. I think I wrote her into Michael's backstory there.
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Writing from personal experience brings up an entirely different point, then. I think that drawing from your own knowledge and emotions will do well to make your agent's backstory more convincing and less cliché. At the same time, using him as an outlet for your feelings may evolve back into the sort of pity-party vibe that you want to avoid. Keep it classy, though, and it should work out fine.
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Oh, not that bad. by
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She didn't start out like this - and neither will his grandparents, of course.
I remember her initial form as that of a short, distinctively traditionally dressed, enormously inconspicious woman with an outstanding talent for apple strudel. As Father died and mother moved on (and remarried, which we had to hide from Granma lest she blow her pacemaker) things grew colder. Situation alleviated by only calling her once a year or twice and not coming over to visit anymore.
Not much of a pity-party vibe to be had, the entire relationship was simple alienation.
I'm writing Michael because I was able to ignore her presence. I want to find a plausible way of getting out of the sticky situation arising when you can't G.T.F.O. or simply keep away. And, yes, I want to torture the little bugger a bit. No no-sells permitted, after all they say only Sues are coddled.
Idea, update on his characterisation. That unemotionality bit? I'm dropping it for his job, since I've written him to develop into a consummate survivor - and that means, by extension, a consummate professional.
Being married to the job should mean not taking kindly to being yelled at on said job or quality of one's work, and also satisfaction when successfully overcoming obstacles - providing something to relate to, especially when the obstacle is the presence of a Sue's head or similar. -
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Oh, this is your prospective agent again? by
on 2013-05-22 19:59:00 UTC
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In that case, a couple additional points:
1. I repeat, agents need to be relatable. I don't see myself relating to an agent who goes through missions exploiting his partner and not having emotional reactions to stuff. That is creepy, psychopath, Do Not Want territory.
2. Missions need to be fun and funny. A very serious character trying to keep it together in the face of absurdity can be funny, but that's not the vibe I'm getting here (see above). Maybe it's just your very formal writing style, but if so, that in itself will need work if you want to write PPC stories.
3. ... Wait, why are we even talking about this right now? You just got here. Sit back, relax, make yourself at home. Agents can wait until we've gotten to know you better.
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Keep in mind that. by
on 2013-05-22 20:52:00 UTC
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I've explicitly mentioned him sitting through a lot of FicPsych. He'll be all right, but occasionally drift into bathos - it may cause him pain, yes, but don't we all suffer for comedy alone by reading the badfics we're going to spork?
During therapy, expect him to overemotionalise, then put on an air of forced calm (again, I'll be practicing writing the comically serious) while likely clenching his fists and rummaging through storage looking for flamethrowers...only to be caught by some doctor or another and subdued using Bleepphene.
Soon as he's stabilised he can be sent on missions.
[Deity] help you if you send him after his LO, though, as with his emotions flowing more freely he may show more enthusiasm than is healthy to protect canon rather than defile it. -
Section 8? (nm) by
on 2013-05-22 17:14:00 UTC
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As copied from Wiki:Section 8 (military) by
on 2013-05-22 17:16:00 UTC
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"The term Section 8 refers to a category of discharge from the United States military when judged mentally unfit for service. It also came to mean any serviceperson given such a discharge or behaving as if deserving such a discharge, as in the expression, "he's a Section 8". The term comes from Section VIII of the World War I-era United States Army Regulation 615-360, which provided for the discharge of those deemed unfit for military service."
Basically he pulled himself together to not get tossed out of whatever job he was going to find (by then it was already clear that he'd join the Cornerian Navy) on the grounds of being batshit insane, quietly so. -
Interesting backstory by
on 2013-05-22 18:51:00 UTC
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Might I ask why his grandparents punished him for "weakness"?
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Rephrasing. by
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I doubt I have worded it the way I've been quoted, but allow me to rephrase in any case:
As they saw in him the last living memory of their daughter as well as the reason for her death (reason: Born to a scientist father and terraforming mother on Fichina, before Climate Control was installed; a blizzard knocked out the energy systems and consequently also the medicals, he and his mother barely survived long enough for help to arrive - he was recovered, she didn't make it) they expected no less than perfection of him - a traumatising experience for a child. Naturally he failed to deliver, as such, was put through hell in an attempt to force him to do better. -
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Yeah, I prolly didn't quote you right.
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Another symptom of dysfunction. by
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Grief leads to the desire to see the thing grieved over return, whole and healthy.
He was expected to be said...return...of his mother - a living time capsule of her character. Of course this is highly illogical - he barely knew her from the outside.
Failing that he should be a non-disgrace - which to the already severely disappointed elderly couple assigned the mission of raising him meant venting this disappointment at him at every opportunity.
Their sentiment towards Michael is a bit like the Dursleys' view of Harry in the Harry Potter novels (at least initially): They can't stand him, they view him as biological insult to the family, but they have to raise him. Naturally they treat him like crap.
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Kindle Worlds - licensed fanfiction by
on 2013-05-22 16:46:00 UTC
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So, it seems that it will now be possible for fanfiction authors (in a handful of canons) to submit their works to Amazon and possibly get them published. http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?docId=1001197421
So far, there's nothing at all about who will decide what to publish (The author? Someone from the publishing company of the original books? An underpaid intern?) or how they will decide. There are some very general guidelines, but I refuse to believe they will publish any 100.000 words Damon Salvatore/Mary Sue epic romance, that doesn't contain porn and have halfway decent SPaG. I simply refuse.
This, of course, raises two questions (and yes, I know it's way too early to say anything definite, but we can still theorize).
A) How canon are these new stories?
B) Are we allowed to spork them if we think they deserve it?
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Not entirely sure I like where this is going. by
on 2013-05-23 06:37:00 UTC
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"Very careful must we be. Down a dark path this line of thinking may take us."
Well said, misquoted Yoda. Applying the adjective "licensed" to one subset of fanfiction automatically categorizes the remainder as "not licensed." I worry that this might lead to a situation where the owners of intellectual properties wield more power over when and where fan works can be created/posted anywhere. I prefer the ambiguously legal, homogeneous mass of fanfiction as it currently stands.
A. How canon? Exactly as canon as the original creator says. Note I said "creator" and not "publisher." The author/whatever is the one whose head found the story, and they (to me) are the only one(s) who should be able to declare canon or uncanon anything written by another author.
B. Are we allowed to spork? Quite frankly, I'm going to be optimistic and assume that, even if it is merely publishers and not the original author who makes the decision of what gets published, that they will still weed out anything bad enough to be sporked in a PPC mission. Don't forget, folks: we spork the terrible of the bad, not just so-so stuff. Just because a mediocre-fic gets published this way, just because it doesn't perfectly jive with canon, doesn't suddenly make it mission-worthy.
Let's maybe watch and see what gets published before we have big, divisive arguments over what we can do with that material, maybe, please, hm? >.> -
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We have to step down and wait until the actual stories come out. Arguing over possibilities is going to bring us nowhere.
Sorry, Huinesoron, if yesterday's post sounded like I was willing to go fandom police. It's just... Hard to think that what is still called fanfiction by their author and publishing medium is to be considered a canon ppc-wise.
La notte porta consiglio, we say here in Italy, and so I realized that I can use whatever other method of sporking I come up with if I find anything really deserving (which, if the guys at Amazon do their work well, is fairly unlikely). -
Arright. by
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And for the record: it's not that I consider these stories will be in any way canon. I don't think anyone is actually arguing that. But they are published and paid for, which is where I feel the distinction lies.
Anyway, obviously I wildly disagree about the value of arguing possibilities (hey, what if the Queen is really Stalin in disguise? Imagine how... completely non-changing anything... that would be!), but sure.
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Not the "arguing possibilities" so much . . . by
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. . . as us not really having enough info to go on yet. We should wait to see the form this project takes so we can properly discuss it.
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But can we argue random possibilities as well? by
on 2013-05-23 15:34:00 UTC
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I mean, it's possible that you are actually a representative of a secret organisation which is following an agenda set by aliens who are themselves followers of a secret religion founded in the future by me, so where does that leave us?
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Where that leaves us by
on 2013-05-23 16:11:00 UTC
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Armored (but not armed) conflict that spans whole square feet of battlefield. All of that comes to a tipping point when we get hungry and go for lunch. It is then, in the Holy Sandwich Shop, that the peace talks begin. The peace talks, in this case, being debate about which Captain from Star Trek is the best. This only serves to reignite the conflict; continuing a weekend of war.
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Janeway is best captain. by
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Nightmare Moon is best pony.
Smeargle is best Pokémon.
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Picard is best captain.
Luna is best pony. (Do we agree? I don't think we do.)
Scyther is best Pokémon
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Silly boarders. by
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You are both wrong.
Jack Harkness is best captain. (Captain of what you never specified)
Twilight is best pony, but Celestia is best princess. What is that? You say Twilight is a princess too? Well, I must disagree. She is a unicorn, no wings here. Nope. None at all.
Mudkips are best Pokémon.
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*DYNAMIC ENTRY* by
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So I herd u liek Mudkipz
My opinion, whether you like it or not:
Captain Picard is best captain, but Kirk is... the... most... memorable. Forsomeunspecifiedreason.
Applejack is best pony.
My Rattata is top percentage!
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Just to throw the apple of discord... by
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Sisko is best captain and Fluttershy is best pony.
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Reynolds for Captain! (nm) by
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Re: Reynolds for Captain! by
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Due to what I'm attributing to a series of memory-filing errors, my brain constantly refers to Nathan Fillion as Captain Malcolm Hammer. I even had to look up what his real name was on Wikipedia so that I could make this post.
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'Scuse you. by
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John Watson is the best Captain and Doctor Whooves is the best pony. No clue who Millie is, but obviously Slowpoke is the best Pokémon.
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Why are my internet friends so uncultured? by
on 2013-05-24 06:33:00 UTC
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Now all shall listen to Sutton Foster's voice AND DESPAIR.
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That was me. by
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Apparently, it logged me out in between opening the reply and fetching the YouTube url. INTERNETS!
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Then let them eat pretzels. by
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I came not to bring peace, but a rabbit - with great big pointy eyes. Look on my works, ye mighty, and boogie.
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Oh, no no no no. by
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I. Don't. Boogie!
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Boogie! by
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Re: EVERYBODY DANCE NOW! by
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Pfffhahahaha all of the Star Trek characters look like they've lost something important and are flipping out trying to find it. I love this.
Except that one jumping redshirt on the far right. I don't know what he's doing.
What's your deal, random crewman?
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eh... by
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Fanfiction today really is "not licensed", though. There really isn't that much ambiguity to it, and what ambiguity there is (read as: fair use) is unchanged by some works licensing with some venues. If anything, I think that this is a step in the right direction - it's getting more authors to think about letting people other than themselves play in their worlds.
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I know fanfic is already unlicensed . . . by
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. . . but so far it's kind of been coasting under the radar for the most part? And making this distinction for some of it might make the technically not strictly legal aspect of the rest more obvious?
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On legality. by
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This has been argued back and forth a lot (see: The Battle of Goldberg). My understanding - and back when we had a resident lawyer (Jocelyn), she gave this interpretation - is that since fanfiction is non-profit, and is presented in such a way that it is impossible to assume it's the work of the original author, it is not a breach of copyright. If one attempts to charge money for (unlicensed) fanfic - such as that girl who tried to sell her Star Wars novel Another Hope on Amazon - then you're into 'you're taking money which might otherwise go to the creator' and 'people will think this reflects the creator's wishes'. Those are copyright violations (more the former, I think - the latter may be more of a moral objection).
This has been, as I say, argued back and forth a lot. I don't think there's a definitive legal ruling as yet - and to be honest, what that ruling turns out to be will probably depend on whether the copyright holders have heaps of money to throw at the case (since they will, presumably, be against fanfic - otherwise they wouldn't start the case in the first place!).
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It's that last paragraph I'm worried about. by
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I don't think I said it well before. I just wish this whole situation hadn't come up. Now "fanfiction" and "licensed" are being used in the same sentence, and I'm worried how potential court rulings might end up if the unlicensed fanfics start being scrutinized more closely by the copyright holders.
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Well... by
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In my mind, fanfic is fanfic and canon is canon. Altering one variable (in this case, formal publication vs. online display) should not change that.
As far as badfic, that's at the chooser's discretion, and the amount of badfic published relies solely on who that judge is and how they filter the stories. If each fanfiction is actually weighed for their merit, edited, proofread, and commented upon before publication, I don't imagine the PPC will have much to worry about. If every fic passes muster, then we'll have a lot on our plates. -
Hmm... by
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Well, it looks like stories will be moderated, so I guess that only decent enough stories will be published. Most of the worst charges are already forbidden, so I am hoping that we'll have decent stuff.
Of course, considering that the Inheritance Cycle, Twilight, and Fifty Shades of Gray got published, there might still be stuff deserving sporking.
About canonicity, I'd say that we need Word of God here - we need to know what the authors of the original works actually think about the Worlds.
As a rule of thumb, though, every story is probably going to be a subcanon of its own.
In fact, this initiative kinda reminds me of Japanese doujin works - in Japan the copyright and royalties riles are more lax, and fanmade novels and mangas are actually allowed to be sold in limited amounts at fairs like Comiket as it is viewed as free publicity for the main franchise.
This doesn't mean that I think that the PPC is out of jurisdiction here, just like it isn't about doujin works. Unless the author of the original canon themselves say that the story is canon or a official subcanon, it will stay as fanfiction for me, published or not. And so I will feel entitled to mission it if is bad enough.
It isn't probably going to happen, though - not only I would have to buy the story from Amazon, and I never bought anything from there at all, but I kinda doubt that anime or video game canons (the ones I'm active in PPC-wise) are going to be included in this initiative.
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I kinda agree? by
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I mean, I don't think I'd mission anything published via World (mostly because I don't know the fandoms involved), but that doesn't make me incapable of mocking it if it needs mocking. MSTing, dramatic reading, blow-by-blow sarcastic reviewing...
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A good point by
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I hadn't thought about it, but of course we have other ways to show our disapproval.
Have you seen this review of Fifty Shades? (Probably NSFW) http://www.goodreads.com/review/show/340987215 A pair of agents armed with diamond mauls couldn't smack that story around more than she does in that review. -
Do you consider... by
on 2013-05-22 21:10:00 UTC
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... that you are entitled to write a mission into, for instance, a Star Wars Expanded Universe novel? Or a published novel set in a video game world - either a novelisation of the game or part of a series attached to it?
Because that seems to be what you're saying. I'd like to hear your response, though - and what the distinction is, if you see one.
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The distinction is... by
on 2013-05-22 21:52:00 UTC
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That the Star Wars Expanded Universe and the video game novels are meant to be canon or sub-canon since the very beginning. Their authors are choosen or at least accepted by the owners of the rights.
(Some of those works, though, are apparently in dire need of a sporking - I heard that the Mass Effect novelization was a disaster. But for those there are other sporking means, such as MSTs.)
The "problem" with Kindle Worlds is in their status: "published fanfiction"
They are sold, but they're fanfiction. The work of a single fan, that goes unchecked until it is sent to Amazon for publishing.
Tell me, what would be the difference between this and FF.net if they actually enforced the latter's rules about quality?
That we pay for one, and not for the other.
Now, if Fanfiction.net started making the users pay to read the fanfics on it, would that mean that all of those instantly become "published canons"?
No. Because they're still fanfiction.
If an author decided to collect the best fanfictions about his work(obviously with their authors' consent) and publish an anthology, would it be a "published canon"?
No, because it would be a published anthology of fanfiction.
That is, unless the original work's author specifies that he considers the plot of those canon or an existing alternate universe (sub-canon). Only then it would be out of PPC jurisdiction, IMHO.
The point I want to bring home is: publishing alone doesn't make a fanfiction into canon or a subcanon.
I can be missing some distinction somewhere, though, so feel free to point out any flaws in my reasoning. -
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Is it bad that I want the BBC to allow Sherlock onto that list? Or any of the other fandoms I've written novel-length fics for?
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All those negatives... by
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are confusing me. Are you trying to say that you believe that they will NOT publish Suefics, or are you saying that you believe that they WILL publish Suefics?
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I think... by
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E.A. believes they won't...with some conditionals attached that I haven't quite figured out.
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Spork away. by
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Canon is, I think, defined by the original creator(s) of a 'verse.
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But this is licensed. by
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That puts it on the same level as the Star Wars EU, the Doctor Who audio dramas, and the Star Trek novels. That makes it un-sporkable, even if not necessarily canon.
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What had me wondering by
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Is the fact that it still says fanfiction right there on the tin. Even Amazon calls it that. Actually they call it 'fan fiction', but same difference.
But I suppose there's no reason not to err on the side of considering it all licensed and thus harmless.
After all, IIRC the reason the PPC do not spork published derivative works, even if they are bad, is that they form their own separate canons and can longer hurt the original story; thus there's no reason to kill them. (Other than personal loathing. I would still want to see Pride and Prejudice and Zombies burned to the ground.) -
Have you seen Lost in Austen? by
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I mean, at least PPZ doesn't seem to have a blatant Trans-Dimensional-Hopping-through-her-bathroom-wall Mary Sue.
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Nope by
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I've heard the rumours about how bad it is and I felt no need to go look for myself. *shudders*
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Oh, stars, not Losty Nosty... by
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I saw some of that. There was... I think one character I believed? Total?
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I saw the first episode, read the Wikipedia article, by
on 2013-05-23 08:20:00 UTC
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and said "all aboard the nope train to Effthatville."
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Depends on the intention with which the license was given. by
on 2013-05-22 18:28:00 UTC
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I'd say... by
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...one key point to consider is the use of the word "royalties" in the description. If people are getting paid for their works, then wouldn't their works technically be on the same level as things like "50 Shades of Gray"? Pretty sure we're not allowed to spork that story.
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In this case... by
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... it's being given to people whose work will be published for sale by an actual publisher, and who will receive royalties for it. That's pretty close to 'professional'.
And, of course: why would anyone in the PPC /pay/ for a badfic to spork? There's enough of them around for free, believe me.
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Plenty around, yes... by
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...but sometimes one of a particular nature just cannot be acquired for sporkification by any other means.
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What hS is getting at is... by
on 2013-05-22 19:15:00 UTC
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...if it is an official story (which these would be if they are published and sold) then the PPC has no jurisdiction. So, it doesn't matter if we think it is the worst fanfic to ever be written, the publisher has made it official and that is the end of it, as far as the PPC is concerned.
hS, please correct me if I misinterpreted you.
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According to the link, however... by
on 2013-05-22 19:22:00 UTC
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...those stories are still classed as fanfic, not officialised but only licensed. It appears to be a gray area and demands semantics.
Ideally they're enforcing quality control and we're not needed. If this is not the case (which it is likely to be, says the pessimist that is me) then I can imagine some people sending in their agents independently, Busman's Holiday-style. -
I don't see a gray area. by
on 2013-05-22 19:49:00 UTC
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I see the word 'licensed'. To be licensed is to be officially allowed, by a governing body, to do something. In this case, they are officially recognized, by the publisher, to write stories and get paid for them.
That is clear cut, to me.
I don't care if they want to license someone to write Kirk/Spock PWP Slash. It is the publisher's decision to make. They are official. We are not.
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What I see... by
on 2013-05-22 20:02:00 UTC
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Is the phrase "getting fanfic officially published". Published by Amazon, who take care of the formalities required to avoid copyright lawsuits, but not of the actual canon integration. The difference stems from my persception that a work's legal status does not reflect its canon status.
I, for one, take this as license to spork - and perhaps take shots at Amazon's quality control, since supposedly they will be enforcing such a thing. -
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You are arguing that if it isn't canon, then it is fair game. That would include the right to spork the Star Wars Expanded Universe, the Doctor Who audio dramas, and the Star Trek novels, some Warcraft works, and some Battlestar Galactica works, all of which are legal, licensed, and published, but are not canon. That is something that the PPC does not do.
The PPC does not spork licensed works. The PPC also does not take shots at publishers. End of story. Full-stop.
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That, good sir, is why I've explicitly suggested to be doing this in an agent's free time - the time where they are not affiliated with the organisation.
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You're missing the point. by
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We're not talking just about what the fictional agents do - but what we, the PPC community, do. And what we do not do is spork published works.
If you - or anyone else - wants to write a critique, deconstruction, MST, or downright evisceration of a published, licensed work, you are free to do that. But you are not free to attach the name of the Protectors of the Plot Continuum to that writing.
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I have already comprehended this. by
on 2013-05-22 21:24:00 UTC
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Please take note that explaining seemingly apparent facts may cause irritated reactions in some people, however.
Either way, my opinion more or less is identical with Sergio's. Without Word of God stating that a spin-off is canon or subcanon I consider it noncanon. -
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I'm having a bit of trouble following your posts. Would you mind summarising them?
Just to get this sorted out, what I think is being said to you is that:
1) these fics would be published professionally
2) the PPC does not spork things that are published professionally
3) therefore, the PPC does not spork these fics, whether they are good, bad, canon, non-canon, or indifferent
4) they do not spork them even if they are off-duty, since that would still be the PPC (as a community) sporking the fic.
(sorry if I got any of that wrong, hS and Phobos, I'm having a bit of an "off" day >.
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on 2013-05-23 01:56:00 UTC
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...all those points are fairly moot, since only the publishing is done professionaly, and the fics still remain fanfics in nature and intention. Sergio Turbo put it better, I guess, his opinion is more or less mine.
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Okay, but that doesn't matter. by
on 2013-05-23 05:47:00 UTC
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The PPC policy is not to touch published works, entirely regardless of their nature. Therefore, all the arguments in the world that this is different, you don't trust Amazon, it doesn't count, etc, are actually moot points, because PPC policy says "We don't do that." Therefore... we don't do that. Absolutely, you and Sergio should feel free, as stated above, to do what you like under your own name, as is and should ever be your right. But the PPC is not in the business of mucking with published works. It is just that simple.
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...That doesn't render them moot. by
on 2013-05-23 03:21:00 UTC
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Y'see, the issue is that the PPC does not mission works that have been published in a professional capacity. This is because, wellm there's a few reasons.
1) you'd have to pay for them. Half the fun of missions is reading the original badfic! It's a bit difficult to do so if you have to pay to see it!
2) Whether it's explicitly canon or not, this has been published by people who have the rights to the original works. I can't speak for anybody else, but that's far more of a grey area than I'm willing to work with.
3) Since it's been published by those who have the ability to do so, I'd argue that it's an optional canon. If you don't want to accept it, that's fine, but there still might be those who'd go "Oh, yes, this works perfectly!" It would be a sort of semi-canon fanon, if that makes sense.
If you reply (or if anybody else has an issue with these!), it might be a bit easier if you label stuff as you address it, just to keep everything tidy.
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on 2013-05-24 00:50:00 UTC
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Re: What I believe is that... by
on 2013-05-23 03:18:00 UTC
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"the PPC does not spork things that are published professionally"
"...the publishing is done professionally..."
I want you to explain to me how those two sentences don't conflict. Just those two, nothing about the nature of the term fanfiction, or anything else. Those two lines alone. I honestly am somewhat confused that this continued as a discussion for as long as it did.
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You probably shouldn't take shots at Amazon. by
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Even if they are letting bad stories get published, it seems unkind to make fun of them for letting people put their stories out there. Do we insult the fanfictiondotnet mods for letting its bad stories get out there?
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Well, the difference is: by
on 2013-05-22 20:26:00 UTC
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One appears to be making the claim of planning to check every single submission posted. The other has no screening process.
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Even then. by
on 2013-05-23 02:00:00 UTC
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It just doesn't sit well with me.
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That's what I'm saying. (nm) by
on 2013-05-22 19:17:00 UTC
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An idea is tossed unceremoniously into the crowd... by
on 2013-05-22 22:33:00 UTC
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...And bonks a couple agents on the head as it goes.
So Kitty and I were gigglesnorting over how badly movies from our childhood abuse our feels, and I suddenly came up with a potential thing:
A therapy clinic for abused feels.
Is that covered by FicPsyche already, or could this potentially become a thing in future missions for people?
*Idea gets up from the ground, dazed and bruised, and attempts to stumble away.* -
We hijack your post to bring you... by
on 2013-05-23 02:38:00 UTC
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...quite possibly the greatest human incarnation of an egotistical badfic author that cameras could ever record.
No, really.
Apparently, after the episode aired, it blew up the social media like crazy, to the point where I feel it may become a meme soon, if it isn't already.
It's people like the two represented in this video that reminds me why I so greatly enjoy MSTing badfics.
Because people like this REALLY DO EXIST, and their reactions to the littlest things are just amazing. -
This woman makes badfic authors look modest and rational. (nm) by
on 2013-05-25 12:43:00 UTC
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Myeah. by
on 2013-05-25 18:28:00 UTC
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She's basically the badfic author akin to that of My Immortal, only in real life.
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Yikes. by
on 2013-05-23 20:21:00 UTC
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Yeah, I can remember the days when I was a fresh little nut job set loose on Fanfiction.net. The first critical review I got sparked a reaction somewhat like this.
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Being able to take criticism could save financial lives and reputations, amongst other things.
Good to start early, yes? -
Certainly. by
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I don't want to end up attempting to actually injure my critics!
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And they're in Scottsdale. by
on 2013-05-23 06:39:00 UTC
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I wish I could say I were surprised.
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Let's see... by
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John Taffer's done a bar rescue in Scottsdale - twice, I think -
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A. The bum crack of Arizona.
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I should expect news of the whole town just imploding within the next four years?
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Have you seen the Tumblr? by
on 2013-05-23 03:08:00 UTC
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I'm not sure if it's a troll or not, but it's hilarious. And extremely offensive. And makes me, as a hostess at a fine restaurant myself, cringe in horror.
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Worse - I saw the twitter feed. by
on 2013-05-23 03:43:00 UTC
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ABC Amy's Bakery something-some-odd, it was a long username.
It's like a twelve-year-old who can't handle trolls going on a rampage, man.
I'm not even employed (yet) and I can practice better business operations than these two worms. (Heck, sometimes I have to, given how wacky my mom's office can get!) -
Can you imagine PPC Agents going there? by
on 2013-05-23 03:48:00 UTC
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"Gosh, I'd take the Cafeteria meatloaf over this cr*p."
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Careful. by
on 2013-05-23 05:02:00 UTC
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The owner might get offended and make meatloaf.
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAUGH. by
on 2013-05-23 05:23:00 UTC
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SLORP 2: NOW WITH THE ATTITUDE OF AN OBNOXIOUS FANBRAT!
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Can we make this happen? by
on 2013-05-23 05:39:00 UTC
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It could be like a special Halloween RP or something, with an appropriate horror movie title:
"The return of the son of the bride of the nephew of the cousin twice removed of the grandfather of the mother of the niece of the brother of the sister of the grandson of Slorp." -
AKA: Everyone bring some butterfly nets and a grenade. by
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And call the Doctor if you can.
Or, even better, the Doctor's indisposed because he's in FicPsych (again). -
Better-better: by
on 2013-05-23 06:36:00 UTC
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Commander Strax.
With his scissor grenades.
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Oh yes. by
on 2013-05-23 06:43:00 UTC
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Just make sure the ...descendant... of Slorp doesn't get anywhere near the Cafeteria again. Maybe DoSAT can rig the containment field or something, if there's going to be one.
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Slorp Juniors could be like a recurring infestation. by
on 2013-05-23 06:56:00 UTC
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They undergo mitosis every once in a while as long as there is food nearby, so you can never truly be free of the infestation so long as there is one still left alive.
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That'd be an excellent Cafeteria Worker story arc. by
on 2013-05-23 06:58:00 UTC
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Nerys Carpenter and Elysa Webber in: The Hunting of the Slorps!
In which our intrepid Cafeteria ladies embark on the dangerous quest to rid HQ of all possible questionable foods that will spawn Slorps!
Maybe the Cafeteria food will actually become edible after their efforts! -
Oh no... what have you done? by
on 2013-05-24 12:37:00 UTC
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"Just the place for a Slorp!" the agent cried,
As he ladled meatloaf with care;
And lifted each scoop on its perilous ride
To be sure it went here - not there.
"Just the place for a Slorp! I have said it twice:
That alone makes it better than stew.
Just the place for a Slorp! I have said it thrice:
What I tell you three times is true."
(With sincerest apologies to Lewis Carroll - although I suspect he'd be amused)
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Hey, if we're gonna be starting THINGS now... by
on 2013-05-24 15:00:00 UTC
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We might want to start a new thread for convenience's sake. XD
Also, how in the world did a conversation about crazy Amy spawn the Son Of Slorp? What, was everybody watching old Friday The Thirteenth films or something? -
Some people just have to drag Slorp into everything. :P (nm) by
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Feels like it'd just run the Slorp thing into the ground. (nm) by
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I think it'd work as long as it's just a few people doing it by
on 2013-05-24 01:48:00 UTC
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Slorp's only shown up once in the PPC stories proper, so if he, or his progeny in that case, gets a sequel, it would just be an extension of that story, and it would probably still work in a narrative sense.
Then again, if everyone and their mini starts writing stories about finding Slorp or Slorp derivatives in everything, then it would get old really fast. Once or twice, and it's still a novelty. If it gets to ten or twelve times, people would have gotten tired of seeing it long ago. But I don't think writing one more story's going to make Slorp overplayed just yet. -
Dubious meatloaf is fine, yeah. by
on 2013-05-24 02:10:00 UTC
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Sentient meatloaf monsters, on the other hand.....
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Seems to kinda lose the charm if done repeatedly, no offence by
on 2013-05-24 04:27:00 UTC
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Plus the Slorp thing's kinda dominated the past couple months, so yeah. :P
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...Can we weaponize it? by
on 2013-05-28 01:21:00 UTC
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Mary Sue? Apply Slorp directly to forehead.
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No. (nm) by
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Wholeheartedly agreeing with Ekyl here. by
on 2013-05-28 02:25:00 UTC
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Even if a prospective weaponsmith does manage to get a Slorp sample, which would involve a probably-unsanctioned form of timestream-crossing, throwing it onto a Sue or otherwise using it to destroy a Sue would just give the Slorpling more biomass.
Slorp is made of Sue-flesh. Slorp is capable of subsuming other creatures and gaining their abilities. Those two points, when combined, would make a Slorp-weapon a bigger danger to the continuum than the Sue would have been by herself. At least a Sue usually won't run around devouring anything in its path. And gods help us if the Slorp-copy starts subsuming canon characters!
So, yeah. Slorp-launching weapons=Bad Idea. -
In that case, we've gotta start watching out for evil Jello. (nm by
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;P (nm) by
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Or maybe everyone would starve o.O (nm) by
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DO EEET (nm) by
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Oh, the SO's gonna be pissed when he gets word of this... by
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Be prepared for unusually and extremely harsh punishments if it comes to pass.
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What, for making HQ safe again? by
on 2013-05-23 08:07:00 UTC
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Cafeteria workers doing what the DIA could not accomplish FOR GREAT JUSTICE.
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No, no! by
on 2013-05-23 08:13:00 UTC
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He'll be pissed when he hears about Slorp's return!
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Given that half of the PPC thinks... by
on 2013-05-23 08:23:00 UTC
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that Slorp was a Flower conspiracy, it may be for the best for the SO to appear angered by the return of the PPC's new foul-smelling nemesis.
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Why doesn't it surprise me... by
on 2013-05-23 08:26:00 UTC
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That the agents who highly dislike the Flowers would call this a Flower conspiracy?
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Because anything at the PPC could be a Flower conspiracy. by
on 2013-05-23 08:28:00 UTC
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I'm pretty sure that if they weren't so sure that they were going to get mauled by other agents those conspiracy theorists would imply that a lot of the PPC's past emergencies were Flower conspiracies.
Okay, some of them could have involved Flowers, but that doesn't mean all of them were in on it. Right? Riiiiiight? -
I'm willing to excuse whoever runs slash. by
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They're probably, er... Preoccupied, at the moment.
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I'm half willing to excuse the Foxglove Official. by
on 2013-05-23 17:02:00 UTC
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After all, only half of his personalities were in on the plan anyway.
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Did...did I just... by
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Did I just spark the Return of Slorp?
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Yes, and you should be ashamed. by
on 2013-05-24 00:59:00 UTC
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Don't enough agents suffer in the cafeteria already?
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It appears so! (nm) by
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Looked it up. by
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I...I do not think so. Doses of Bleepesteem should be cure enough, though.
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Character modification. by
on 2013-05-22 23:21:00 UTC
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Since my agent candidate has had a most tragic past (which I hope to never have to mention in depth and in story, as I believe it may lead to wangst or trajeck that promptly satirises itself in large doses, despite being quite logical in short bursts) it seems indeed logical to give him a certain cautionary instinct when dealing with other people - resulting in, yes, a lack of emotional display.
When occupied with his work, however, these restrictions should fall: Post-runaway (after recovering from the euphoric high brought about by being free of the parental-repression-from-hell that every teenager fears, which in his case was on crack, Pink Stuff and Deathsticks - snark) he focused all his attention on establishing his chances at a regulated life, becoming a survivor.
As he realised survival was going to hinge on successfully working a job he became a consummate professional, which became especially noticeable during his early military days where he would refuse to socialise with the rest of his unit and seemed most alive on missions - reserving, as some of his fellows sneered, more feelings for the enemy and the shots exchanged than them.
In his future at the Agency this will likely mean that unless FicPsy show themselves ready to take a good long look at him he will be a most boring RC-mate and a potentially overzealous mission partner.
I think it's becoming evident that while I can't wait to combat-spork some Sue I very much enjoy psychological banter.
Anyway, that was the second revision. Bicker away! (Useful bickering only, please. I need to keep my own hypocrisy rates up.) -
Hold your hippogriffs! by
on 2013-05-23 00:16:00 UTC
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As Neshomeh said earlier, you just got here. You don't need to come up with some agents right away (time to Permission is about one month), so sit back and enjoy the Board's mayhem!
Personally speaking, I feel a bit iffy about this proposed character. I've always seen PPC agents as pretty normal people who just wind up in crazy scenarios and do silly things to cope with the madness, and not so much as I've-been-through-twenty-seven-kinds-of-nasty professional grim hitmen.
In pictures:
More of this
and not as much this
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On a related note...questions? by
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How would you suggest handling a PPC Agent with an origin as an Evangelion alternate-universe OC? Would I be better off not doing it?
If it helps, her reaction to trauma (like her reaction to most things) is usually to put up a cheerful front, so she shouldn't come off as excessively gritty or grimdark. In her original story she actually didn't do much of note except try and make friends/get the other pilots to get along. (Without much success in the second)
That probably sounds a bit Suish from the description, combined with some of her other character traits, but it'd be more a case of her hiding her problems well (they started to stack up towards the end) and basically using cheer as a defense mechanism. Her being silly or bantering would make perfect sense given her personality.
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And the fact that I hate the Rabbids more than anything else in existence only makes me even more angry now that you reminded me that those horrific things exist.
I'm sorry. -
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Nothing deserves to be compared to those brain-dead abominations from the bowels of bad-idea land.
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But the Rayman series still lives on... by
on 2013-05-23 01:30:00 UTC
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...though that fantastic reboot that was Origins. Did you see the new trailer for Rayman Legends?
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Don't care by
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Raving Rabbids was UNFORGIVABLE.
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Aren't you being a bit melodramatic about it? (nm) by
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You likely wouldn't... by
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...but I couldn't stand with your opinion of RR being unforgivable anymore because of your violent behaviour.
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"I feel like viciously attacking everything you said[...]"
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I hate saying "as I've stated earlier" by
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I really do. Therefore I'll be coming up with something I haven't yet said. Or, eh, written.
As far as my reading of the original series has shown: PPC agents are anything but normal. They approach normal, they resemble normal, but they most definitely are not normal.
They are in sanity's uncanny valley, which creates their comedic capabilities - they act similarly to normal people, but have, for instance, far greater aggressive tendencies (and consequently, violence tolerance).
Next item on the list: I will be using the term FicPsy because my keyboard is about to fall apart and two characters are enormously significant to its continued existence.
This isn't true, but I'm stubborn like that, so fire away.
I will also be sending my guy to FicPsy (ha!) in order to have him turned into an uncanny-normal person, his de-crazyfication will be executed in a comically serious manner in order to provide the spirit required.
Or he'll just waltz out of there with everything already fixed because things will be like just now and I'm too tired to write up the necessary backstory.
For some reason I am under the impression removing his restraints actually may be more likely to turn him grim. I can't logically comprehend this, so I'll just ditch it and go to bed.
Anyway, don't you guys worry. For whatever way you've found he could conflict with PPC canon I have a workaround that guaranteedly will leave someone unhappy! (wait, wasn't that supposed to read "leave everyone happy"?) -
Re: I hate saying "as I've stated earlier" by
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I think people have already told you that you should hold your equines in terms of Permission. You don't need to do anything now.
And I've got to agree with SeaTurtle in terms of trajeck (or not) past. Adding backstory later on works, but I'm not sure about starting out 100% grim and making fun of his dire situations (since that can also be seen as trivialization).
Not to mention that I'm not sure how FicPsych would "de-crazify" him or "turn him into an uncanny-normal person." That sounds like brainwashing to me.
Also, I think I'm going to call you Demonfriend. It's not how you spell it. My fingers just refuse to type it like any other way. This isn't true, but I'm stubborn like that, so fire away (ha!). -
Aha. by
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That is fine by me.
Anyway, I was not quite in control of my memories the other day, and therefore rather than mentioning (incorrectly so, indubitably) the precise procedures of psychotherapy required employed generalisation.
Since space-time isn't uniform in HQ he could spend quite a while in Medical being treated (and I'm certain he will require it), brainwashing is likely not needed if you have plothole-powered time distortions and highly trained professional doctors.
As to why I'd have him sent there in the first place...
I simply feel compelled - if not forced - to include this whole bit about changing his state of mind since I can at this point not easily rewrite his backstory in the 'verse he came from, neither can I accept a humourless and crazier-than-myself person as my potential representative.
Anyway, not doing anything seems awfully...can you offer a meaningful tautology here?
There has to be something I can do. The suggested month hardly is a required stretch of time to pass doing nothing at all here before posting a certain request, it has to be used for something. -
What the time before asking Permission is for. by
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Notice that I don't say "the month before." It's not actually a month; it's however long it takes for you to settle in with the community. Some people have waited multiple months or even years before asking for Permission.
What that time is for is to interact with us, to get to know us and let us get to know you so we can all see if we actually get along, to talk about whatever subjects interest you (surely you're interested in something besides your own characters?), and to learn our ways and established conventions.
That last bit is important. If you're going to ignore the advice of other members and throw our conventions out the window because you're "just stubborn like that," you will not be on the road to Permission any time soon. I have a particular fondness for FicPsych, so if you specifically want to annoy me, by all means keep spelling it wrong, and make sure you go "ha!" every time so I know you're being deliberately disrespectful.
On the other hand, if you actually do want Permission at some point, you could try taking the good advice people like SeaTurtle and Ellipsis Flood are giving you, and you could own up to the mistakes you make instead of, for instance, blaming the forum in all-caps.
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Do not, please... by
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...judge me as deliberately sociopathic-slash-immature.
It tends to strain my ability to not take the entirety of the world, including myself, seriously.
Either way, I do not think that as non-acknowledged part of the organisation I can mention anything other than my own creation. After all I am not officially involved, it would cause a metafictional breach. Surely you will not be interested in yet another plothole in the form of, say, medicaton invented by no one at all. -
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You're not a non-acknowledged part of the organisation. The organisation, Protectors of the Plot Continuum is fictional, as are the written parts of it.
The PPC Community is made up of real, live, factual people, geeky friendly writers who enjoy writing meta-fanfic in a comedic style. What we're asking you is to get to know us, the authors of the (continuing) organisation, as a fellow-author and part of the group. And in that sense, you're not a non-acknowledged part, you are a functioning member.
We prefer functioning members of the group to react respectfully to fellow members, and talk about things other than their characters. If you need a refresher, check the Constitution for a basic guide on community social norms, and suchlike. Don't think of us as a focused office of people trying to organize our Serious Business! We're more like a room with a bunch of people hanging out and talking, while writing and doing other stuff as well. -
Perhaps... by
on 2013-05-23 19:21:00 UTC
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Perhaps the issue lies in a simple misunderstanding?
DemonFiren, the PPC board is not actually a part of the PPC universe. The agents are not aware of the board (mostly)* nor are the people who post here posting as their agents (again, mostly)**. Yes people post about their missions here, ask for betas and advice, you can seek permission here after a while and once you have permission (or are close probably, but I wouldn't swear to that) you can ask for help tweaking your agents. But mostly it's a place to socialize with other people who have similar fandoms and interests, much like most forums online, and a place to commiserate about bad fic with people who feel the same about it.
*There was that one (or couple) time(s) which kind of ended less than ideally for the agents involved. If you would like to read about what happened when they did find us, Huinesoron chronicled it here
**Sometimes there will be an RP thread pop up and people RP as their agents, but not as their agents on the board, just as if it were happening in HQ.
After all I am not officially involved, it would cause a metafictional breach. Surely you will not be interested in yet another plothole in the form of, say, medicaton invented by no one at all.
I'm not sure what you mean by this, but if it's because, as I was thinking you maybe weren't aware the board was not a part of the PPC universe, then have no fear, it's not! So as
As Neshomeh said hang around, ...interact with us, to get to know us and let us get to know you so we can all see if we actually get along, to talk about whatever subjects interest you, and to learn our ways and established conventions. I've hung around since February and I don't have agents yet,unless you count the less than fleshed out one that will be based on a friend that was only named on the LiveJournal mini-Balrog adoptions because my friend who the agent will be based on wanted her agent to have a mini-Balrog.Regardless, I've been posting here and there since February and haven't got any agents, nor have I applied for permission yet due to the amount of posting I've done, I feel I need to participate a while longer (or much more actively for a shorter period) before taking that step. And I don't believe I've created plotholes by existing. (Please someone tell me if I am, and therefore am doing something wrong!) The point is, you don't have to have an agent or more to hang around and talk to us, so relax, be active, get to know us and vice versa and maybe try bringing these things up again in a month or two. :)
I apologize if I'm wrong and you already knew all this, just thought I'd toss it out there in case. If you were already aware of this, I shall leave you to continue working it out as you see fit. :) -
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That you're incapable of talking about your fandoms with other members, or giving someone else's story a review, or anything not to do with your character? Really?
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on 2013-05-23 17:06:00 UTC
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...I've yet to find a thread, or someone willing to listen.
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Perhaps... by
on 2013-05-23 19:19:00 UTC
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If you feel you're lacking the opportunity to interact with the threads open at the moment, you could hang out in the IRC? The link's right at the top of the Board. It tends to move quicker than the Board does, and if there's nothing really going on (like at the moment), it's not really an issue if you start a conversation -there's no threads to bump!
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Wow that kind of scared me! by
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I post a reply of the same title at the same time, I wondered how on earth you could be replying to it already! XD I think I need more sleep...
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Get to know the people.
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This should've gone in an earlier thread. by
on 2013-05-22 23:57:00 UTC
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Specifically, this one, which you started earlier today, is still active, and is on the exact same topic. Each new thread started pushes older ones further down the Board and finally off the front page, so double-posting is rather frowned upon.
Repeatedly emphasizing Permission-related topics such as agents when you just got here is also frowned upon, which I believe I mentioned in one of my replies to that thread.
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Addressing that. by
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I was not quite aware that mentioning potential post-Permission plans counted as "Repeatedly emphasizing Permission-related topics", as for that other thread, I was quite unaware of its existence.
Continuing from that second point: consequently I must blame the structure of the board. GET A PROPER FORUM >:O Or, eh...something. -
Not to be rude... by
on 2013-05-23 00:58:00 UTC
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But I'm a little confused. How can you be unaware of the existence of a thread you started?
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Uh, no. by
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I was only not aware of the existence of a thread that has been mentioned and linked to by...whoever first replied to me. Memory failing there.
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Looking at the timestamps, that was Neshomeh by
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So yeah, I think we're talking about the same thread?
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Too tired to think, remind me to reply later. by
on 2013-05-23 01:11:00 UTC
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Or I'll find my way around this board's mechanisms and try to get it to remind me. There's got to be a checkbox around somewhere.
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You can get the board to send you emails. by
on 2013-05-23 01:12:00 UTC
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All you have to do is fill in the email field on your YourWebApps account.
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The subject of a forum has been brought up. by
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It has been the source of a big contentious debate and honestly, I'd rather not have that one again, myself.
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That is more or less precisely why I wasn't serious. by
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Or at least tried to signal that I wasn't.
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Some questions about minis by
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Yes, I have two questions about minis:
1. What happens when a Suethor misspells the name of one of her OCs (that is not a Mary Sue)?
2. What is the mini of 'The Rise of The Guardians' movie? I think it would either be mini-nightmares or mini-elves. (Mini-yetis, maybe?)
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Mini Answers by
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I've seen it happen two ways:
1) it creates a mini based on the minis for that continuum, but slightly different in some way. Example: In one of KittyNoodles's missions, a badfic OC organization was mis-capitalized and created a mini-monster(basically a toy car), that was a different color from the others.
2) Or, a mini based on the appearance of that OC appears. I know I read a mission with 2) sometime in the last week, but I can't find it right now. The mini-OC in that mission was a small humanoid with washed-out colors due to the OC being humanoid and the poor descriptive quality of his fic of origin, but the washed-out colors may not be universal for all smaller-OC-style mini-OCs. I'd need to find another example to make sure.
Second question: a person who creates the first mission in a continuum comes up with the mini on their own. If there are no missions in that continuum, but there is an OFU, that OFU's minis are treated as the minis for the continuum unless that OFU's minis were transformed somehow to be better or more uniform guards, which actually happens considerably more often than I thought it did when I first found out that some OFUs did that. -
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Hi everyone! by
on 2013-05-23 10:52:00 UTC
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How's the PPC doing?
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Welcome back! by
on 2013-05-25 16:44:00 UTC
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We're chugging along, for the most part. The latest excitement is the Blackout event that grew organically from an April Fool's prank into a fully fledged Thing That Happened, with several writers contributing their own takes on it. This, in my opinion, is the best way to Make Things Happen. {= )
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I'd like to thank the Academy... by
on 2013-05-26 10:35:00 UTC
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...well, I'll have to give kudos to everyone who started the Blackout RP, who decided it'd be a good idea to sic Weeping Angels onto HQ, and who decided it'd be an even better idea for the Doctor to get dragged in afterwards (I think that was Ivan-the-Not-So-Terrible).
And then I'll have to thank the Boarder (most likely SeaTurtle) who suggested that sentient Cafeteria food could be the monster the Doctor finds in the Cafeteria. SeaTurtle, I confer responsibility of the Slorps onto you. ;) -
Thankee. by
on 2013-05-27 02:55:00 UTC
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Though I have to admit I immediately regretted throwing the Angels in there shortly after hitting the "post" button.
It was one of those cool ideas you get on the spur of the moment and then just blurt it out and then think: "Oh pooh, I forgot the only permanent way of getting rid them is to throw the lot into a breach into the space-time continuum. Now who's going to clean that up?"
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Love it, but... by
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I thought the PPC was moving away from Events?
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Emergencies, not Events. by
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The difference is, Emergencies are "Hey guys, I just wrote a story that has something affecting all of the PPC whether you want it or not! You gotta deal with it!" and Events are basically something notable happening, but without forcing everyone in HQ to do something about it.
It's still a big deal, but it's not mandatory to get involved, and if the Blackout is a prime example of an Event, it can be looked at in many different ways. That's what makes the Blackout interludes so much fun! We can have rampaging monsters, scheming overlords from canceled children's shows, a search-and-remove mission to Aperture Science, and I'm almost certain there was another completed interlude I'm forgetting about. -
Eh, I think it's a bit more complicated. by
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Events and Emergencies are quite similar, and yes, we were trying to move away from them for a few years, because they got out of hand and were becoming problematic. If the Blackout had popped up four years ago, I rather doubt it would have received such a warm welcome.
But everyone seems to be enjoying this, and it's fun and has leeway, and those of us who aren't particularly interested (like myself - many apologies, but I like writing in the Cafeteria partly because it isn't prone to Big Things Happening) can just sort of... work around the whole thing. Which is nice, and quite considerate. But mainly, we're out of that awful cycle in which everyone was trying to out-emergency/event each other, and we had a new crisis every month. So the occasional Event is quite welcome. -
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Ahh, I'm sorry! I purposefully set the main events of my interlude in the lesser-written-about departments and places so that it wasn't all focused on the Action Departments; I didn't know you weren't all that psyched about the action happening mostly in the Cafeteria. And now the Cafeteria's probably going to need restructuring because of the meatloaf and stuff...
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Nah, is fine! by
on 2013-05-27 07:34:00 UTC
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I sorta went "...bwah?" when I noticed what was going on, but it's not like I own the Cafeteria - as with all the PPC, it belongs to all of us! Aside from which, it's good to be taken out of one's comfort zone, and this gives me the opportunity to throw new and exciting variables at my team, which could be very good - I'll have to go through the archives and figure out how.
(And I imagine dealing with the aftermath - not least, including throwing prone Agents out of the kitchens on their ears - will be rather fun to write. As well as all of the griping about the restructuring - it will be interesting! I'm just more interested in writing about the aftermath than the main events.) -
I hope you didn't mind Jof's cameo too much. by
on 2013-05-27 08:11:00 UTC
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I imagine he and Nerys have some animosity issues to work with in future instalments. :'D
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...um. by
on 2013-05-27 08:51:00 UTC
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Actually, that I kind of do mind. The Cafeteria is not mine, and is, as all HQ, common property. But... my agents are my own creation, and it kind of upsets me that they were used without asking? I'm usually pretty agreeable to Jof being used when people ask, as long as he stays in character (which is sorta my main-er beef - he's not, really, which is a bit frustrating*), but I would really, really, really prefer that people ask, in the future. I believe my email is available through the Wiki, and if not, it's just my username here at Gmail. So - please ask, in the future.
*Jof is agreeable, very quiet, and has a translator from DoSAT, which comes in handy, as he occasionally has about two or three words to spare when necessary. He tends to view his auto-cubing as more of a vague handicap than something that must be emulated. -
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Well, he didn't have any lines; he just was in the Cafeteria, and my character Nerys tried blaming him for Slorp but got shot down by her coworker Lisa.
I'll make sure to ask if I write more stuff set in the Cafeteria in the future, sorry. -
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It would be greatly appreciated.
Yeah, I looked it up. I should really post that last 'fic of the team, it's been done for months. I can hardly complain about people not knowing his character when I haven't really posted the illustrating works yet. -
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on 2013-05-26 15:39:00 UTC
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...is the fact that almost anything can be dragged into HQ, and anything can happen. As long as they don't contradict already established events, of course, but still that leeway is huge.
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*takes a bow* by
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As one of those same writers--
...sorry, I think I'm still in the mindset of snarky fake-oldbie. I'll stop now.
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Welcome back! by
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Hello!
I'm somewhat new here so... I'm Len.
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Welcome back! by
on 2013-05-23 22:51:00 UTC
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Have some bleepolate ice cream for your welcome back to the board present!
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Salutations! by
on 2013-05-23 19:50:00 UTC
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And welcome back! Have some pie, since you've already received a cookie and gummyblees I figure pie's good, and everyone needs pie! :D
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Allo allo! by
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I don't think we've met! I'm Karen, have a cookie. ^_^
Welcome back aBoard and have some Bleepolate! -
Nice to meet you all. (nm) by
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Have a welcome-back plover! (nm) by
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Well, you were far before my time, but... by
on 2013-05-23 15:48:00 UTC
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Welcome back anyways!
Here, have an urple gel pen.
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Hello there, returning Boarder! by
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Help yourself to anything off of the table of welcome-back pastries!
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Pretty well, thank you! by
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Er, not that I'm claiming to be the entire PPC, or anything, but...
Hello! Nice to meet you! Are you new around here, or just returning?
Either way, have some Gummyblee Enterprises as a gift! I got my hands on some in an attempt to remind myself to see the new Star Trek movie, but it hasn't worked yet, and now I've got them all over the place, so...here. I'm sure you'll find a use for them (badfic tends to provide that...)
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Welcome back! by
on 2013-05-24 21:52:00 UTC
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As a relative newbie, I'm curious: What agents did you write?
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Pfffff. by
on 2013-05-25 22:31:00 UTC
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Oldbie that I am, I shall now attempt to remember the answer to your question and tell it to you in my old and creaking voice.
Er, I believe...that once upon a time...I wrote an agent. Her name was Dawn. There was a cohort of other agents...in fact...
The agents came down like many wolves on a fold
Their cohorts were gleaming in wilver and gold...
Er, but I'm getting ahead of myself.
Young man (or so I assume by your screenname), in my day, I wrote not one, not two, but tens of agents. Not only that, but I, yes I, wrote fake missions and posted them on April Fool's Day. Why, I was even the author of the second Blackout Interlude! Yes, my (apparently very young) friend, in my day, I kept company with great Boarders. I wrote SBEI, with my dear brain twin, Kaz...er, Karen. I collaborated with such people as...*falls asleep* *audience fell asleep after the first sentence of this paragraph, and so doesn't notice*
(Er. Yes. Haha.)
(So, I saw your correction. But I couldn't resist. Hope you enjoyed the snark; I sure did! XD)
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Oops by
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Obviously, that was meant for our returnbie, not for you, DF! *facepalms*
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Can someone who's neither the returnbie nor DawnFire answer? by
on 2013-05-24 23:23:00 UTC
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If not, you may want to shield your eyes, or at least not click on either of these wiki links.
It looks like Ugolino created them, got Permission, and never wrote any stories with them. Of course, Ugolino's return means that they might have an appearance at some point, which would give them more to link to on their wiki pages than just the Livejournal where their missions might have gone, which would definitely be a good thing. -
Actually, I wasn't happy with the quality of their stories. by
on 2013-05-24 23:40:00 UTC
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They did have stories at one point (5 or 6 if I remember correctly) but thanks for the link. I'll be sure to try my hand at writing again, though maybe with different Agents.
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I wouldn't mind at all, myself. by
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So, are those two Agents that you already created going to be removed, or transferred, just abandoned, or what? Actually, since the human appears to have no information about him and the Mandalorian doesn't seem that bad, maybe you could just rewrite the parts you disliked and feature them in other stories. That's a practice that's saved several characters I made.
What precisely did you dislike about them?
And like I said in the title, I would like to see some of your character ideas, though admittedly if you make any more based on Star Wars EU, I'm not going to be as much help as I might otherwise. Star Wars EU was never one of my fandoms, though I suppose I could look up some relevant details on its Wikia site. Would you like e-mails from me and the other Boarders you plan to show ideas to, or would you just post the ideas in a topic somewhere? -
Ideas by
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I suppose I didn't have clear characterizations in mind for either of them, so they may have come off as a bit bland. I have a rewrite of the Mandalorian and a different agent as works in progress. I'm thinking a pretty standard "odd couple", with one bubbly (though given badfic, she'd be more "forced cheer" towards the end) and the other a resigned deadpan snarker.
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I like the idea of a bubbly and forcibly optimistic Mandalorian. It goes against their Hat of "graar, we are the warrior race" without going so far to make it look like you're trying to force it. It's like a Klingon collecting stamps. There's potential for comedy there.
The PPC has a lot of deadpan snarker humans(which assumes that you're still talking about the human here, and that assumption may well be incorrect), but most of that is the result of 1) people like writing about human Agents more than any other species and 2) deadpan snarking is how their writers would like to react to living through a badfic. It could still work, conceivably, but it's been done a lot.
Odd couples are always good, though. They keep the banter between the agents interesting, and can help with development of both members.
If the second person was a different agent than the human, who is it? Not a name, necessarily, because I'm not wanting to rush you if you don't have one, but species, brief history, and the like wouldn't hurt. I'd just like to know what I'm analyzing.
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It was more the other way around to be honest... by
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But you've just given me a very, very interesting idea. Thanks!
Agent #1 is bubbly cheer, Agent #2 (Mandalorian) less bubbly but still fairly cheerful. I'm probably not expressing myself well, but I'm thinking of Firefly-style chatter from the Mando for some reason.
And to be completely honest, I'm not sure where my old missions went. I'll check later, but I'll definitely write up some ideas/profiles/random babbling for the new two and maybe some experimental banter. -
Glad I could help! by
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I've only seen one episode of Firefly, but I've seen enough of Joss Whedon's other work to know what you're talking about. Banter is fun, especially when it is well-written banter. There is no questioning this.
Oh, is the new agent that Evangelion native you mentioned further down on the Board? What happened to the other guy? Is that his new backstory(though you mentioned the Evangelion native as a "she", so that's not likely), or is he being retconned out of existence, or what exactly?
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He was frankly too boring to consider writing again. by
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I can't even remember what his personality was. I'll write something up later for the new pair. (Agents Stopgap and Fallow, I'm thinking...)
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*incarnation by
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Oh, and also, don't hesitate to randomly babble about your ideas like you said you might. That's one of the best ways to figure out whether something's good.
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Much appreciated! by
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Technically, I'm returning, as I tried my hand at writing PPCfic a while back. Thanks for the welcoming gift.
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Ah, I see. Well, you're welcome, and welcome back! (nm) by
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These have amused me for a while so I wondered... by
on 2013-05-23 19:49:00 UTC
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... if anyone here had seen them before?
DeviantArt user Glittercandy has several satire tutorial comics, all of which are pretty darn funny, but of particular significance are her Creating aMary SueBest character ever! tutorial, Creating the best everGaryStud parts one and two and similar to those the How toruin anbe a sexy RPG god! (which includes how to create agoodRPG character.)
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Haven't seen them before, no... by
on 2013-05-24 12:54:00 UTC
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...but I'm now about halfway through them, and I keep getting random ideas to subvert. Also, there's a line that completely suits Jack Harkness halfway through the Mary Sue one, and it really amuses me...and it uses the word 'regenerate', which amuses me even more.
Thanks for sharing!
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Only problem for me... by
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Is that they're too large for my phone to properly render, so I can't read them. :
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Only problem for me... by
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Is that they're too large for my phone to properly render, so I can't read them. :
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Oh no! by
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I wish I could help that! (really let me know!)
I'm glad everyone else is enjoying them :) And I've got a picture for all those MST'ers out there who need to express the depths of Sue-telligence! -
Funny you should mention... by
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Because I happen to be known on the board for an MST of a Narnia badfic.
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:O by
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Loverly XD
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*pops out of hibernation* by
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http://wankershimsdoodie.tumblr.com/post/51194252340/insomniasleuth-thedoctor-wearsconverse
I'm sure the stress of going through exhaustive badfic and hunting down Sues and Author-Wraiths is mighty stressful, so sit back, click play, and relax.
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RE-LAX-ATION SUCC-ESS-FUL! by
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ENJOY! ENJOY!
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Aiee. by
on 2013-05-24 06:04:00 UTC
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There's a Dalek telling me to calm down *hyperventilates* Oh my Doctor, there's a freaking Dalek telling me to calm down! I think I'm gonna faint- *faints*
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Where has this been all my life. by
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I think I need this on a 10-minute loop so I can listen to it every night before bed XD
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Too busy laughing to relax. This is the best! (nm) by
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I think it's having the opposite effect... (nm) by
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*blinks* by
on 2013-05-24 03:17:00 UTC
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Those silly pit vipers and their link-posting. How do they do that with no arms, anyhow?
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S'a pit viper of doom, SC; those can do anything. (nm) by
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Oh, yeeeaaah... (nm) by
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Cyba's Blackout Interlude by
on 2013-05-24 03:56:00 UTC
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For those who have not stopped by the PPC Wiki in a while, Cyba Zero recently posted a Blackout interlude in the Knightmare continuum. The links are on the Wiki, of course.
For those of you not in the know (and I was of your number), Knightmare was a British TV series. Think of a cross between a tabletop RPG and a game show.
That said, I hope you're reading this, Cyba, because I have a question for you: What made you decide to write the interlude in the Knightmare continuum? Note that I'm not saying that that was a bad thing, mind you: you've gotten me interested in the series! -
*Is indeed reading this...* by
on 2013-05-24 19:28:00 UTC
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Glad you like it!
Why did I decide to write an interlude in the Knightmare continuum? It was something I loved when I was little, and it is a shame it was discontinued. I also thought the spellcasting mechanic was too good to miss, especially given my agents being in the Department of Technical Errors. Knightmare would definitely fall under the rare fandom catagory - so rare, in fact, that I don't think there is any real badfic to spork. As such, an interlude was my only chance... and the Blackout was the perfect opportunity.
If you're interested in the series, this website has some information: http://www.knightmare.com/. -
If you don't mind my asking by
on 2013-05-24 21:50:00 UTC
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being that I was not yet a Boarder when you joined, what part of the UK are you from? And how did you run across the PPC in the first place?
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Well... by
on 2013-05-25 09:10:00 UTC
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I'm from Kent, and I discovered the PPC on TV Tropes while researching the definition of 'Mary Sue'.
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Oops.... by
on 2013-05-24 05:00:00 UTC
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Sorry about that. Thanks for the link.
*Follows link*
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This is the ultimate showdown, fought in the PPC! by
on 2013-05-24 06:35:00 UTC
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Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for an Ultimate Showdown! Jumper
stoleborrowed the What-If Machine, and asked what would happen if all of HQ broke out into a massive fight to the death. If you are not familiar with the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny, just look here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwBK31tC5QM
Now, we are going to make a PPC parody of it. I'll start us off, and provide the chorus, the Board fills in the rest a line or two at a time. Bring in your agents (more well known ones would be the best) and try to keep it funny. I do ask that no canon characters be dragged into this. This is a battle within HQ, not the multiverse.
Here we go:
The Sunflower Official was sitting around,
Keeping agents busy so they wouldn't burn him down...
Chorus:
This is the Ultimate Showdown, fought within the PPC,
Agents and Flowers and Minis,
As far as the eye can see,
And only one will survive,
I wonder who it will be?
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Let's give this a shot! by
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Excuse my poor filking skills in advance.
The Sunflower Official was sitting around,
Keeping agents busy so they wouldn't burn him down...
When suddenly Len burst from the shade
And hit the Flower with some defoliant spray
The Official called security and began to attack
But didn't expect to be blocked by Fearn
Who proceeded to open up a can of Skaro-fu
When Architeuthis came out of the blue... -
I'm in. by
on 2013-05-24 09:51:00 UTC
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"The Sunflower Official was sitting around,
Keeping agents busy so they wouldn't burn him down..."
When suddenly Len burst from the shade
And hit the Flower with some defoliant spray
The Official called security and began to attack
But didn't expect to be blocked by Fearn
Who proceeded to open up a can of Skaro-fu
When Architeuthis came out of the blue...
And she started beating up the Fern Official
When they both got hit by the Len-mobile
But before it could make it back to the RC,
Agent Acacia popped into the scene
She took a poison-arrowed orc bow out from hammerspace
And fft! Len away with a thwack shunk shank
But she ran out of arrows and she ran away
Because agent Luxury came to have her way (with everybody) -
Okay, here's my bit... by
on 2013-05-24 16:11:00 UTC
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"The Sunflower Official was sitting around,
Keeping agents busy so they wouldn't burn him down..."
When suddenly Len burst from the shade
And hit the Flower with some defoliant spray
The Official called security and began to attack
But didn't expect to be blocked by Fearn
Who proceeded to open up a can of Skaro-fu
When Architeuthis came out of the blue...
And she started beating up the Fern Official
When they both got hit by the Len-mobile
But before it could make it back to the RC,
Agent Acacia popped into the scene
She took a poison-arrowed orc bow out from hammerspace
And fft! Len away with a thwack shunk shank
But she ran out of arrows and she ran away
Because agent Luxury came to have her way (with everybody)
This is the ultimate showdown, fought in the PPC
Agents and Flowers and minis,
As far as the eye can see,
And only one will survive,
I wonder who it will be?
This is the ultimate showdown fought in the PPC.
Official kicked the snot out of Luxury
Like the agents want to do Ebony
Then Fearn came back covered in a tire track
But Caroline jumped out and landed on his back
And Len was still injured and trying to get steady,
When Acacia came back with a poison-laced machete
But suddenly something caught her leg and she tripped --
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I know I haven't formally created my agents yet, but... by
on 2013-05-25 02:22:00 UTC
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67.187.147.59
"The Sunflower Official was sitting around,
Keeping agents busy so they wouldn't burn him down..."
When suddenly Len burst from the shade
And hit the Flower with some defoliant spray
The Official called security and began to attack
But didn't expect to be blocked by Fearn
Who proceeded to open up a can of Skaro-fu
When Architeuthis came out of the blue...
And she started beating up the Fern Official
When they both got hit by the Len-mobile
But before it could make it back to the RC,
Agent Acacia popped into the scene
She took a poison-arrowed orc bow out from hammerspace
And fft! Len away with a thwack shunk shank
But she ran out of arrows and she ran away
Because agent Luxury came to have her way (with everybody)
This is the ultimate showdown, fought in the PPC
Agents and Flowers and minis,
As far as the eye can see,
And only one will survive,
I wonder who it will be?
This is the ultimate showdown fought in the PPC.
Official kicked the snot out of Luxury
Like the agents want to do Ebony
Then Fearn came back covered in a tire track
But Caroline jumped out and landed on his back
And Len was still injured and trying to get steady,
When Acacia came back with a poison-laced machete
But suddenly something caught her leg and she tripped --
Dead (the agent) took her out with her whip!
Matters were beginning to deteriorate
When should a disembodied voice in Swahili susurrate...
Then- "Witchcraft!" An accusation from the metaphorical podium
At this the halls erupted into pandemonium
And a lonesome pair of urple boots did the grapevine
Swahili always fooled these gullible swine!
(No offense meant, of course. I needed a rhyme.)
Clover Cress her tattered nails now fletcherized
It was swiftly that she met her unfortunate demise
Five agents down, ramping up the intensity
When suddenly through the smoke should the warriors see... -
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on 2013-05-24 09:54:00 UTC
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Meant to type "Poor Old Fearn", not Fern Official.
Sorry!
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What did you think of Star Trek Into Darkness (Spoilers) by
on 2013-05-24 19:21:00 UTC
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What did you think of STID?
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WAS THAT MICKEY SMITH AT THE START. by
on 2013-05-29 00:32:00 UTC
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So what I got from this was that Mickey Smith had a really sick daughter and Sherlock Holmes offered to help him in return for him becoming a domestic terrorist, and the Enterprise (plus Lara Tyler, the beloved of the Tenth Doctor before he ran off with Merida) is sent after Sherlock in response to the terrorism?
...well, then.
Since I've absolutely no actual knowledge of Star Trek I liked it well enough. I mean, I hear that the roles of Spock and Kirk were switched in regards to the warp drive scene and my friends and I all laughed at the 'KHAAAAAAN' shouting (mostly because I have friends who will shout that anyway, out of the blue) and enjoyed the occasional lens flare, but yeah. I'm pretty okay with the film despite it not passing the Bechdel test and stuff and I'm not entirely sure where the Cumbershower scene was supposed to come in (He doesn't look like he's enjoying it very much).
So.
That being said, I'm not sure how it played out in the Wrath of Khan but I feel like Benny!Khan was almost a parody Stu at times. Could've been that line when he said he was better at everything, could've been his special blood, could've even been the Single Tear. But I get the feeling that if anyone wanted to write a Sue-villain in anything in the future, they could easily refer to Benny!Khan. -
Re: Bechdel Test by
on 2013-05-29 21:28:00 UTC
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I regret to inform you that probably none of the Original Series episodes passed the Bechdel Test, and I don't think any of the movies did either. So I suppose, as this movie is based on the Original Series, it is continuing in that...tradition.
I would be able to tolerate that, if I didn't know Star Trek could do better. Three of the other four Star Trek series - The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager - had two or more female regulars and probably passed the Bechdel Test more than half the time. Voyager probably passed it every episode, since it had a female captain and several other strong female characters. So the treatment of women in NuTrek is one of my main problems with it, because I feel like if you're going to make a reboot, then you should try to fix some things about the original that are outdated.
Such as always using sexy women for fanservice. I'm sorry J.J., but Kirk shirtless for a couple seconds is not equal fanservice to a lingerie scene where she practically strikes a pose. Besides, it's Kirk. All the fangirls like Spock. Now, if they'd kept the Cumbershower scene...
They should really know by now that females love Star Trek. In fact, Star Trek has never been the male-dominated fandom it's made out to be. The fan who organized the letter campaign that kept TOS on the air in the Sixties was a woman.
So yeah, I agree that while I mostly liked the movie, it did have some flaws in that area. -
My thoughts(Spoilers! Duh!) by
on 2013-05-27 16:05:00 UTC
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I really liked it. My only issue was that the pacing was bad. All the intensity was at the end. Kahn is a fantastic villain, but there wasn't enough set up for his evilness before he started helping them out. My mother thought they should have set up the guy with the sick daughter near the beginning a bit more, as it would emphasized the whole "doing anything for your family" theme. Plus a few of the characters were a bit underused.
Good things were much more plenty, however, and that sold it for me. Lots of jokes and nods to the prime universe kept me spurting random giggles throughout the film. I was kind of freaking out, because as soon as Kirk went thought that glass door, I was thinking "Oh, goodness, it's going to be like Wrath of Kahn. Only with Kirk on the opposite side of the door." I almost yelled "KAAAAAHHHHNNN!" with Spock. But people in the theater would have gotten mad.
Anyway, now I want to go watch Wrath of Kahn again. *loads up Netflix* -
*collects mini-tribble Kahn* by
on 2013-05-27 19:14:00 UTC
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Everyone wanted to yell "KHAN!!!", I think. Anyone who'd seen the original. That was one thing I loved about the movie...it really appealed to the old fans, with the references and the themes of "crew is your family" and "peaceful is best".
I introduced a friend of mine to Trek through this movie, and now I have an excuse to rewatch "Space Seed" and Wrath of Khan. I will convert her. -
Whoops. *hides in cardboard box* (nm) by
on 2013-05-28 21:22:00 UTC
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It's okay. It happens to everybody. by
on 2013-05-28 22:37:00 UTC
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Here, you can take the KAAAAAHHHHNNN-mini. Every time he goes missing, you can yell KAAAAAHHHHNNN!! as much as you want. Fans of shouting will be so jealous of you.
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I was pretty disappointed (spoilers) by
on 2013-05-25 04:03:00 UTC
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To start with something positive, as a complete and total Trekkie, I also enjoyed the references to various TOS things (I love me some tribbles). I also enjoyed just about everything in the movie until the big reveal. I think Benny Cucumberpatch did very well with what he was given.
Now on to my (what will probably become very long) opinionated review.
Honestly, this movie proves to me that I can't trust JJ Abrams to give us nice things. I loved the 2009 movie because it was completely original and started fresh with the TOS characters. Keenser and Scotty will forever skip off to a rainbow sunset while holding hands. Anyways, on to Into Darkness. I like that we got to see Kirk get some rather serious consequences for his actions. (And we can ignore the painfully bad science with regards to 'stopping' the volcano.) I always enjoy seeing Pike because I love the original pilot (ignoring the ridiculous sexism, etc). His relationship with Kirk makes me go all fuzzy inside and his death really hit me. Go JJ for that one, I guess.
I like the mystery surrounding John Harrison. Kirk does his usual hint-of-Wesley-Crusher for the movies by noticing random things during the meeting after Harrison blows up the Archives. People have pointed out that there were some women in that meeting, but JJ obviously didn't spend enough time pointing the camera at them for me to notice. This is one of my huge issues with these movies- the lack of women. We get Uhura, whose only purpose seems to be to whinge about Spock while having occasional awesome moments (such as her interaction with the Klingons and later when she helps recapture Harrison). Carol Marcus was only 'useful' for an unnecessary scene in her underwear. I mean, they even wrote Bones hitting on her after she disarmed the torpedo. Way to undermine what she just did. I would have liked it if the writers put more thought into her character and let her have some interaction with Uhura (that isn't a conversation about men). I also grew fond of that one navigator who took over for Chekov. She seemed pretty cool for all her 30 seconds on screen.
Still on the topic of Carol Marcus, I knew that Khan was going to be involved because Marcus was only in The Wrath of Khan. I was hoping that it wouldn't be true, but of course it was. The writers could have used the opportunity of the AU to get really creative, but they decided to rehash an already great movie and whitewash it some more in the process. Look up some of John Cho's interviews where he takes every opportunity to slam JJ about the lack of PoC in the movie and you will see what I mean. Others have written about this issue, and probably even more eloquently, but I just about flipped when I heard Benny say he was Khan. Ricardo Montalban is Mexican, so of course in the sixties they did the all-the-brown-people-are-the-same crap, but at least Khan was an intelligent villain who happened to be a PoC. Many reviewers on the internet have commented about how intelligent villains are rarely PoC and you can probably find those on LJ among other places.
There isn't much to say about the plot because most of it was already done in Wrath of Khan. The random cameo of Nimoy!Spock really threw me out of the movie and didn't seem necessary. I suppose Admiral Marcus was an interesting villain. His death was gruesome and fitting to Khan's feelings about his betrayal. The contrast between a warmongering admiral and a largely peaceful Starfleet makes for interesting conflict and I think Marcus could have been the villain for a completely different story. I mean, this plot could have been done with many tweaks without Khan. One thing about Khan that is so interesting is his relationship with Kirk and how the events of Space Seed affected Khan and lead him to want to get revenge on a character that we actually care about. I think a problem with the movie is that I don't care about Marcus and there isn't really much between Kirk and Khan besides some manipulation.
What was up with the Klingon design, though? I mean they looked something freaky.
TLDR; the whitewashing, lack of women, and a thrown away opportunity to do a new story really make this movie a disappointment. They should have just repeated the deleted shower scene on a loop for two hours. -
Having just tonight seen the movie... by
on 2013-05-28 04:33:00 UTC
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Yeah. Really, all I can do right now is quote Ian Malcolm: "You stood on the shoulders of geniuses, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it and packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunch box, and now you're selling, you're just selling."
So disappointed.
May follow this up with a proper angry Nume-channeling rant.
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That, pretty much. (spoilers) by
on 2013-05-25 04:35:00 UTC
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I was also hugely disappointed by how tiny outer space felt in the movie. Khan bails out of a gunship by teleporting to Qo'nos, for pete's sake. The Enterprise warps there, sends people down to the surface, and then warps back in a single day. It's against the basic premise that I expect from Trek, which is that Space is really, really big.
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Qo'nos by
on 2013-05-26 03:38:00 UTC
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Did you notice how they misspelled the name of the Klingon Homeworld as Cronos?
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Technically... by
on 2013-05-26 07:43:00 UTC
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It was "Kronos" in movie VI, and most of DS9 - it's one of the more common spellings, and the generally accepted english transliteration of the Klingon name.
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Oh, I've been waiting for this thread! [More Spoilers] by
on 2013-05-24 20:35:00 UTC
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Because I loved it! I mean, seriously loved it. After it was done, I fell to my knees like a religious person after they'd gotten a revelation from their God. (Yes, I just compared Star Trek to religion. It's not like the fandom is anything like a cult, right?) I nearly cried. You see, I had such high expectations: a Star Trek movie with Benedict Cumberbatch, supposedly an iconic TOS villain, and I had been so afraid that it wouldn't meet my expectations.
And it did! It was everything I hoped and wished, and...
I should probably stop gushing and actually say what I loved. It's just...it was a profound experience.
I too loved all the references to prime universe Trek. They helped me feel like this was Star Trek, the universe I was used to. Rewatching the first reboot after watching lots of prime universe Trek, it took until McCoy's "Dammit man, I'm a doctor, not a physicist!" line to make me feel like it was Trek. This one, it was pretty early on when they mentioned the Prime Directive. And just catching all the references made me feel smart...let's see:
-Offhand reference to Gorn
-Tribble
-KHAN!!!
-Section 31
-An evil admiral
-Scotty's a miracle worker
-Sulu being captain
-Redshirt
I'll probably get more after I see it again tomorrow evening.
Also, I loved how the main moral of the movie was that Starfleet was exploration, not military. Most of the previews before it were apocalypse movies, and it was wonderful to see it affirming Star Trek's vision of a peaceful future.
And Benedict Cumberbatch, is, as usual, fabulous. The only thing I can say is that he doesn't look much like Ricardo Montalban, and most reboot characters look like their prime counterparts. But he acted well, as expected.
And speaking of acting, I think that the actors were getting closer to their TOS counterparts. Dare I say, Chris Pine plays Kirk better than Shatner - the same character, but with less...scenery chewing and...excessive hamminess. And random...pauses. But everyone was much closer to their original counterparts. My theory is that they tried to lure in new Trekkies with the first reboot, which was not as close to original Trek. Now, they know they've converted people, so they're making this one closer. Or the actors have had more time to study up.
Also, TOS didn't develop characters other than Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, and this seems to be going towards developing them more. Special mention goes to Scotty and his heroism. I'm much more of a Scotty fan than I was.
Sadly, no movie is perfect. There was one thing I didn't like, and didn't like about the first one: Spock/Uhura. It lacked development, which made it feel very strange. Like, a female character can't just be a well-rounded, interesting person. She has to be the love interest just because she's the one female main character? Deanna Troi and Riker end their relationship because they're serving on the same ship. Wouldn't Spock see the same logic? Uhura as love interest is a step back for Star Trek. You go from B'Elanna and Tom, whose relationship developed over several seasons of Voyager, to this. It makes me sad to think that there's still this prevalent idea in our society that male characters can stay single, but female characters must be the love interest. And don't get me started on Carol Marcus's blatant fanservice. You know, writers, Star Trek fans aren't all straight guys anymore.
But I hate to end on that note, so I'll end with how this is the first Star Trek movie where I've really understood where the Spirk shippers are coming from. I'm pretty sure it's just my squicked out reaction to shipping anything with Shatner, combined with my dislike of Spock/Uhura, but for some reason the reverse scene to the one in Wrath of Khan felt much more slashy this time around. I really felt the depth of their feelings for each other much more than I did when I had to wade through Shatner-speak. That scene choked me up in the best possible way.
Overall, it was awesome, and I'm looking forward to seeing it again tomorrow night.
And now anyone reading this is probably glad I'm done rambling. -
OK, be honest... by
on 2013-05-24 23:11:00 UTC
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When Khan was first introduced in the film, who else mentaly (or physically) shouted KHAAAAAAAAN!! Because I did, and then waited for Kirk to let one loose. When Spock did it, I shouted with him. In my head.
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Yes, I did. by
on 2013-05-26 04:39:00 UTC
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Mentally. Both times I saw it. One of those was probably a half an hour ago. Not sure, it's rather late right now...
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The death scene? by
on 2013-05-24 21:35:00 UTC
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I personally thought that the scene in the Radiation Chamber was one of the worst done in the movie. It was basically taking dialogue from Wrath of Khan and altering it so that it would be mirrored. The reason that it worked in Khan was that Kirk and Spock had a 20 year long relationship, and Spock wasn't even the one showing emotions! To have Quinto's Spock explode emotionally over a man he had known for only a year... just was too OOC. Aside from that scene, I didn't have many problems with it.
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I suppose I wasn't clear. by
on 2013-05-24 22:31:00 UTC
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I meant that the scene felt more slashy, not that it was better than Wrath of Khan. I can see how you got that impression, since right after it I said I could feel the deep connection more. I was just referring to the movie overall. Bad communication on my part.
You're right about having Spock do the whole "KHAN!!!" thing. At the moment, I was too caught up in the reference, but looking back, it is kind of like they did it just for said reference. While new Spock is more…how do I put it…breakable than old Spock, that was still excessive. The tears, since they were very restrained, worked better, and I did cry at that scene because Spock was crying.
Then again, I always cry when good guys die. Even if I know they're going to come back. Heck, even if I didn't like the character, I still cry if the other characters are sad. So it could just be me.
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How do they rise up, rise up, rise up high? by
on 2013-05-24 21:10:00 UTC
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I'm currently on holidays in NZ and it's bright and early on the Glorious 25th of May here, whatever the Board timestamp may say, and so let me be the first to wish you all a frabjous Geek Pride Day.
For those that have forgotten, today marks at least 3 major canon milestones:- The establishment of the People's Republic of Treacle Mine Road ("Truth, Justice, Freedom, Reasonably-Priced Love and a Hard-Boiled Egg!") in Discworld
- The day the Earth was destroyed by the Vogons in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy ("Towel Day")
- The anniversary of the release of the original Star Wars movie in 1977
Plus possibly others that I can't recall / am not aware of?
Make sure you remember your towel!
Elcalion, delurking to celebrate - The establishment of the People's Republic of Treacle Mine Road ("Truth, Justice, Freedom, Reasonably-Priced Love and a Hard-Boiled Egg!") in Discworld
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I'm ashamed to say that... by
on 2013-05-25 21:32:00 UTC
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...I haven't gotten to the Discworld book in which the Glorious 25th of May is mentioned, but I shall celebrate anyways.
I can't find any lilac, though. *sulks*
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(passes Ailavyn Siniyash some lilac) by
on 2013-05-26 15:05:00 UTC
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I would've posted yesterday, but Gen/Geb stole my lilac towels line. That doesn't mean I can't help people trying to celebrate! Or, well, I guess these are Internet lilacs and not "real" lilacs, but it's also the 26th of May and not the 25th, so the disparities may or may not end up not mattering.
Oh, and the book featuring the People's Republic of Treacle Mine Road and the Glorious 25th of May was Night Watch, from the Watch Series. It's another really good one, so I won't say anything else about it to you too keep out unintended spoilers. -
Thanks for the lilac! by
on 2013-05-26 19:13:00 UTC
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And please, call me Aila.
Yes, I don't believe those disparities matter in the least, do they?
And I shall read that, I shall! By next May, at least. I really want to...
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Earth: Most harmless by
on 2013-05-25 18:40:00 UTC
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Or maybe not...
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Don't Panic by
on 2013-05-25 16:23:00 UTC
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They rise eyes up, eyes up, eyes up by
on 2013-05-25 16:13:00 UTC
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Alas, our lilacs have already been and gone for the year, as usual. They just don't last very long. {= (
However, this marks about ten years of being a PPCer for me. I started counting from this holiday, since I can't remember when I actually joined but I do remember being thoroughly confused the first time I encountered a thread like this. ^_^
I'll probably end up celebrating by doing laundry, since that's where most of my towels happen to be at the moment.
Cheers, everyone!
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They rise knees up, knees up by
on 2013-05-25 14:58:00 UTC
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Hooray! I need to go find me some lilacs. Pity it's so wet out over here.
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All the little angles rise up high! by
on 2013-05-25 13:43:00 UTC
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Happy 25th of May to everyone, and may the odds be ever in your favour... hang on, I think I've got confused again.
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Share and enjoy! by
on 2013-05-25 09:45:00 UTC
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Fittingly enough, I've spent the last week nerding about Hitchhiker's Guide. *waves towel in celebration*
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Don't panic! by
on 2013-05-25 04:07:00 UTC
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I like to combine things by carrying around a lilac towel. I'm not sure how I will fit Star Wars into it this year...
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omg by
on 2013-05-25 16:39:00 UTC
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It took me until now to realize I misspelled my own name. XD
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They rise up feet up, feet up, feet up by
on 2013-05-24 23:21:00 UTC
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Glorious 25th of May to all! *wears lilac and carries a lightsaber and a towel* :D
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All the little angels rise up, rise up! by
on 2013-05-24 22:04:00 UTC
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We're actually going to be celebrating the glorious birth of the People's Republic of Treacle Mine Road tomorrow! Well, sort of. We're going to rent and watch the new Les Miserables - which for some reason (can't think why) seems vaguely familiar...
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... did Victor Hugo visit Ankh-Morpork?!?!?
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Your subject line is making me sad about Supernatural. (nm) by
on 2013-05-25 03:15:00 UTC
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Ooh, a fellow Supernatural fan! by
on 2013-05-25 04:01:00 UTC
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Shiny.
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Hey, two fellow SPN fans! by
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*stares at all the shinies*
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I hear the new one isn't very good... by
on 2013-05-24 23:11:00 UTC
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Happy May 25th though! I've been planning something for it, been wondering about making a board RP of it if there's interest...
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Well, we enjoyed it. Not quite finished yet, though. (nm) by
on 2013-05-25 21:30:00 UTC
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Glad you did! Just what I've heard, sorry. (nm) by
on 2013-05-25 21:31:00 UTC
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They rise heads up, heads up, heads up by
on 2013-05-24 21:20:00 UTC
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And the same to you! It's still the twenty-fourth, here, but the reminder is much appreciated. I think there might actually still be lilacs in bloom somewhere around here, which would mark the first time ever that I've actually been able to wear a lilac, rather than scrounging up a vaguely purple flower.
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See the little angels rise up high! by
on 2013-05-24 21:37:00 UTC
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Cheers to Pratchett, Adams, and Lucas!
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A Question Regarding Sues by
on 2013-05-25 02:10:00 UTC
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I personally don't think much of Mary Sue litmus tests, as they're more a list of common symptoms than an actual assessment of Sue-ishness. But I can't help noticing that one of the major ways to rack up some Sue points is to write an OC relating to canon characters.
I'm currently working on a fanfic for the Hobbit fandom, and my narrator Risa is, not very originally, the daughter of Thorin Oakenshield. I have tried very hard to keep her out of Sue territory, and she is deeply flawed in numerous ways, but I'm concerned that even just by being related to a central canon and by breaking the canon, she's already beyond hope of salvation.
Does breaking canon and being the child of an existing character make an OC a Sue? How can I be sure that she doesn't become one- other than piling on the flaws, which I don't think is particularly effective?
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Flaws =/= non-Sue. by
on 2013-05-25 05:24:00 UTC
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"I have tried very hard to keep her out of Sue territory, and she is deeply flawed in numerous ways,"
More often than not, unless the flaws in question actually effect the character beyond giving them a shield against critics in the form of "Mary Sues are flawless, so my characters can't be Sues because they have flaws", it really only adds fuel to the Sue fire.
What works better is having the character discover these flaws as they go along. It's more realistic then, and gives a more human feel to the character - makes them relatable, if you will - and doesn't end up seeming like a preemptive defense against potential critics like the "Oh yeah, and I have such and such things wrong with me" approach does.
For my character Iris, terrible misfortune is her flaw, and it's because of one instance where she had the misfortune of running head-long into a dragon and all she had was a bow and a hunting knife. From there, it developed into the full symptom of not being able to do hardly anything without something bad happening to her, such as her boyfriend Drake chucking a pebble and knocking her out of a boat from the force of the throw. -
@SpectacularSC by
on 2013-05-25 13:13:00 UTC
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Okay, let me rephrase that bit. What I meant to say but apparently only telepathically typed (I do this sometimes when it's late.) was that I realize Sues have less to do with the number of flaws than with the consequences of those flaws and how the plot and other characters bend around them, and so even though she is flawed, I am still concerned because of the canon-breaking and genetics, and am wondering if anyone has tips on how to write an AU and significant canon relative without turning it into a Suefic.
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I've written fics where... by
on 2013-05-25 18:22:00 UTC
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The main cast were directly, but indirectly (they were there but didn't do much) involved with the main plot, and were more for interaction with themselves, the main cast and other people.
I say this a good deal when I'm writing new material - it doesn't necessarily have to be a huge, overarching plot of good versus evil, that's just what sells for big bucks, and understandably so because people enjoy watching a moral smackdown. Good stories can also be written about simplistic things.
There was one I wrote, or tried to, a few years back that focused on a defecting soldier and his romance with an artist. The worst violence that ended up happening was the skirmish that he bolted from in the first chapter (but only because I ended up abandoning the story because I didn't know my materials all that well. I was twelve, keep in mind.)
I'm just saying, if you need to write an AU relationship without the Sued-effects (see what I did there?), you could just craft the plot around that primarily, and everything else as just a side plot for the sake of keeping with a specific timeline. -
Re: I've written fics where... by
on 2013-05-25 21:02:00 UTC
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I've also worked on plots with a similar sort of idea.
That's not quite what I had in mind with this one (although the concept of more emphasis on the characters and less on the combat and salvation of the realm is the same basic mindset) but I definitely like the suggestion! At this point I think it would be easiest to swap out the setting and race, as the plot can probably stand just fine on its own without the quest. -
That's actually what I was getting at. by
on 2013-05-26 01:27:00 UTC
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That was the idea I was trying to offer, so I consider this a job will done on my part.
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In that case... by
on 2013-05-26 14:23:00 UTC
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¡Dicho gracias más para tí, amigo!
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Il n'ya pas de quoi. (nm) by
on 2013-05-26 21:06:00 UTC
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Sorry for double post, hit reply early. by
on 2013-05-25 05:27:00 UTC
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In conclusion, you can definitely place flaws on your character - goodness knows that Tolkien's characters are flawed, after all - just be sure to do it believably. Write the character as realistic to the setting as you can, don't just make her super great and then tack on downsides after the fact.
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on 2013-05-25 15:08:00 UTC
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Thanks!
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And I feel suddenly self-centered... by
on 2013-05-25 04:24:00 UTC
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...because this immediately morphed into "A question regarding my character and plot."
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Clarification by
on 2013-05-25 15:15:00 UTC
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Since I suspect your feeling this way may be my fault. >.>;
Talking about writing questions that involve stuff you are working on is not bad at all! As you can see, many of us are happy to discuss all manner of fanfic- and writing-related topics. What I recently took issue with was a newbie starting multiple threads seemingly for the sole purpose of discussing their potential agent and refusing to drop it when asked, i.e. obsessing over Permission before it's even remotely appropriate. That's totally different from what you're doing here. {= )
To address the actual topic, I would just ask one semi-rhetorical question: Why is it important that the character be Thorin's daughter? And its semi-rhetorical corollary: Why can't the story be told any other way?
I say semi-rhetorical because I don't necessarily need to know the answers, and there aren't any guaranteed right answers. It's more of a "search your feelings: you know it to be Sue!" (or not-Sue, but that doesn't fit the quote) sort of deal.
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Actually... by
on 2013-05-25 16:11:00 UTC
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Before I noticed your reply, I addressed this with a post aimed at another user, who had said that Dwarves were immune to disease, which is an absolute roadblock to the storyline, as it calls for an outbreak of septicemic plague. Which got me thinking that I either had to re-outline the second half of the fic or switch races- and thus, setting and family. Which in turn inspired me to wonder why it was even important that she be a Durin, and while I'm sure there was some reason those months ago when I dreamed up the idea... I can't for the life of me remember it.
So it's exactly what you said: I have no clue why it was important.
That clears up my issue, then, because by switching out her race for human, getting away from the canon relatives and the breaking of canon (by existing and by following the Company), I can now concentrate on the character herself. Focusing just on characterization should drastically decrease her chances of Suedom, and I won't have to fuss over the AU, since it won't be.
And the point of the story all along was the character development and the hardships each character has to go through, not the reclamation of Erebor, so changing the setting won't be a huge problem. -
Know what'd be cool? by
on 2013-05-25 19:05:00 UTC
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Have her live in Lake Town during the quest. How does she react to Thorin and Co lording it over her people? Would she believe they are delusional, or con men (Dwarves?), or what?
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This is why Arda is so cool. by
on 2013-05-25 21:21:00 UTC
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Unlike virtually any other canon I've read, there's just so much stuff - and all of it interconnected. For your idea, we know exactly how this character lived - how her home supported itself (trade with Mirkwood), what sort of perils they faced (mostly a certain dragon), the major trials (the Thorin Incident), and what ultimately happened to her (either died peacefully, or lived through/died in the Siege of Erebor during the War of the Ring).
And I love that... sense of world-out-there. The fact that, to take a random example, Shelob might once have spun her webs between Treebeard's herds - back when she was in Nan Dungortheb with the rest of Ungoliant's spawn, and he was:
To the pine-trees upon the highland of Dorthonion I climbed in the Winter.
Ah! the wind and the whiteness and the black branches of Winter on Orod-na-Thon!
My voice went up and sang in the sky...
It's just... connections all the way, back into the deeps of time (and where was Fangorn when Durin awoke for the first time in the forested heights of the Misty Mountains...?). Love it.
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Lake Town by
on 2013-05-26 00:33:00 UTC
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I was considering having her live in the Blue Mountains near where the Dwarves settled, but I love the idea of Lake Town.
I may have to write that.
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Re: A Question Regarding Sues by
on 2013-05-25 03:19:00 UTC
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You are correct; Mary-Sue litmus tests tend to test for symptoms. This is because there is unfortunately no uniform definition for Mary-Sue across all of fandom, but we think we know it when we see it. However, I believe that if you can pass the PPC standard, you can pass anybody's standard (unless your critic is a purist who hates any OC, much less any female OC).
The PPC Wiki page on Mary Sues gives an adequate definition, but I highly prefer the one given by Neshomeh in a not-so-recent discussion: a Mary Sue
"A. does not behave like a believable-for-the-context person, B. does not get believable-for-the-context treatment from others, and C. is successful just because the plot says so."
That said, the mere existence of a relationship between your OC and Thorin Oakenshield is not, in and of itself, a sentence of Suedom. What is important is that the OC look like she belongs in Middle-earth. So, a few questions:
1) Did you explain how your OC could possibly be the daughter of Thorin Oakenshield? E.g., Does Thorin has so many children that your OC could presumably have been one of them (but was never centrally figured in the canon story), or are you just trying to shoehorn her into the Oakenshield family?
2) Does she act like a daughter of Thorin? Thorin being a dwarf king, does she act like a canonical Tolkien-verse dwarf princess would act? And if not, did you create a plausible reason why not?
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Well, it all depends on the circumstances. by
on 2013-05-25 03:03:00 UTC
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A canon's-relative OC isn't necessarily doomed to become a Sue, but they would have a harsher start than most other OCs that just start out with tangential connections like being from the same clan or homeland as a canon character.
You'd need to adequately explain the canon character's past history in a way that allows for the character's presence without distorting the sequence of their past life enormously(assuming you aren't going for a full-on AU here, because those have different standards for what does and does not constitute acceptable changes to history), and you'd need to come up with a plausible reason why the OC would never have been mentioned by the canon in their journeys.
In Thorin's case, this would be especially tricky, since he's said to be among the last of his line of Dwarf Lords and there would probably be a big to-do about him having a child, but it's not impossible.
And it's not all about piling on flaws, even though giving a character flaws is a big part of making them seem realistic. It's about piling on what makes a character or circumstance interesting. Not what makes them "good", because there's a distinct difference there. I'd object to the term "piling on" as well, but I'm not going to start dissecting word choice here.
See, one of a Sue's main problems is that she forces the canon characters to feel bad for her, or love her, or be interested in her, but the readers are not. If a character is interesting and well-formed enough, a canon's reaction to their situation should be something that would be a logical reaction based on their character and how well they know the OC.
While a Sue would cause someone to fall in love with her or sympathize with her immediately just because she's "different" or some such, a more well-rounded OC would cause such matters to happen gradually, or at least logically, based on the characters she's affecting and their personalities. People don't get suspicious with Mary Sue, they don't get angry at Mary Sue unless it's set up to make her look better, and they don't ever second-guess her or make her pull her own weight. A well-rounded OC, on the other hand, should be susceptible to the same problems that a canon character in their situation would undergo, and would thus possibly have to deal with all of those.
I'd say the first of those three especially with a Thorin's-daughter OC. Where did she come from? the other dwarves would think. Why did Thorin never mention his past relationships? Does this mean he's got a lover somewhere? They'd see the strange occurrence as what it was, and react accordingly, and this would probably make your OC uneasy, and she would react. That might actually place seeds for a character arc for someone there.
In addition to what I said before, you need to make the events plausible within the world you created or are using, you need to have setup and buildup, and everything needs to lead together. If something starts happening seemingly "just because", you've got a problem. If reactions become overblown or too unrealistically subdued, that's another problem, etcetera etcetera. As long as you keep in mind what you want to do with the story and what to stay away from getting there to keep the characters from getting Sue-d, there's nothing keeping a canon's-duaghter OC from becoming a decent and well-rounded member of a cast of characters. -
@son of heaven176 and Outhra by
on 2013-05-25 04:05:00 UTC
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Thanks for the advice!
As it so happens, the story does evolve into total AU, which is part of what worries me. Far as background goes, there weren't any particularly strange occurences. I did my best to keep it plausible, although it's certainly a breach of canon anyway. Through an arranged marriage, Thorin and a fairly well-respected dwarf maiden bore three children- one son and two daughters. He and his wife had a cordial, ordinary relationship until the Smaug incident. After the dwarves were driven out of Erebor, Thorin's wife and youngest daughter died of illness and starvation. His eldest son was killed during the struggle at Moria, leaving only the autistic middle child, Ri, who is the MC.
From there the story follows the plot of the book and movie, with added character development and, of course, the additional character herself. (She has mild separation anxiety and tried to follow the Company to the Shire.) However, at the audience with the goblin king things go horribly awry and after that it is almost entirely AU.
Also, I think it's worth noting that I did not, in fact, choose her family just to write about Fíli and Kíli, although they are influential in the story. Honestly, I have a soft spot for Bofur.
I guess I'm concerned about the cliché elements of the exposition and the major breaks of canon. I have never written an AU before, so this is a new experience for me, so if anyone is more seasoned in the art, I'd gladly listen to any suggestions.
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Ah, but... by
on 2013-05-25 08:59:00 UTC
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It says here that Dwarf women marry once and for life or not at all, either because of their work, their fancied one already being taken, or their simple lack of desire to marry. That can be interpreted to say they have free will in spousal choice, so an arranged marriage seems a bit out of place. Personally, I think that free will is a huge deal amongst the Free Peoples of Middle-earth, and with that comes the ability to marry for love (for life).
True, since Thorin is Dwarvish royalty he could have been pressured somewhat to continue the family line, but could he not have found an eligible Dwarf lady on his own?
I mean, I'm not telling you to do anything, really; I'm just voicing my disagreement with placing an arranged marriage into a culture where an arranged marriage might not necessarily make sense. -
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on 2013-05-25 13:18:00 UTC
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Ahh...
Did not know that.
Now that I think about it it does make sense. It wasn't brought up in the book, so I was ad libbing a bit with the marriage traditions, but you have a logical point there.
Luckily, it hasn't actually been brought up in the story yet, so I can tweak that a bit. Thanks!
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Some quotes! by
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(I have always found the History of Middle-earth to be invaluable in writing stories)
"The Naugrim [Dwarves] were ever, as they still remain, short and squat in stature; they were deep-breasted, strong in the arm, and stout in the leg, and their beards were long. Indeed this strangeness they have that no Man or Elf has ever seen a beardless Dwarf - unless he were shaven in mockery, and would then be more like to die of shame than of many other hurts that to us would seem more deadly. For the Naugrim have beards from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike; nor indeed can their womenkind be discerned by those of other race, be it in feature or in gait or in voice, nor in any wise save this: that they go not to war, and seldom save at direst need issue from their deep bowers and halls. It is said, also, that their womenkind are few, and that save their kings and chieftains few Dwarves ever wed; wherefore their race multiplied slowly, and now is dwindling." (HoME XI, The War of the Jewels. These are described as being the words of Pengolod, an elf of Gondolin in the First Age. There's no indication that he'd actually met any Dwarves)
"In their own tongue the Dwarves name themselves Khazâd; and the Dark-elves called them the Naugrim, the stunted. Which name the exiled Noldor likewise took for them..." (Same source)
It should also be noted that the race of Dwarves descending from Durin are called the Longbeards, 'for their beards swept the floor before their feet'. None of the other races of the Dwarves are known to be extant in western Middle-earth, but they do exist. More specifically, the Firebeards and Broadbeams may be extinct, having lived in the mountains of Beleriand before it sank. The Ironfists and Stiffbeards, Blacklocks and Stonefoots awakened much further east. (Summarised from HoME XII: The Peoples of Middle-earth)
"Such dealings with their dead [burning the dead after the battle of Azanulbizar outside Moria] seemed grievous to the Dwarves, for it was against their use; but to make such tombs as they were accustomed to build (since they will lay their dead only in stone not in earth) would have taken many years. To fire therefore they turned, rather than leave their kin to beast or bird or carrion-orc. But those who fell in Azanulbizar were honoured in memory, and to this day a Dwarf will say proudly of one of his sires: 'he was a burned Dwarf', and that is enough." (Lord of the Rings: Appendix A - Part III. Irrelevant, but a nice bit of lore)
"They [the Dwarves of the Blue Mountains, ie Thorin's people] had very few women-folk. Dís Thráin's daughter was there. She was he mother of Fíli and Kíli, who were born in the Ered Luin. Thorin had no wife." (Same source)
"Dís was the daughter of Thráin II. She is the only dwarf-woman named in these histories. It was said by Gimli that there are few dwarf-women, probably no more than a third of their whole people. They seldom walk abroad except at great need. They are in voice and appearance, and in garb if they must go on a journey, so like to the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other peoples cannot tell them apart. This has given rise to the foolish opinion among Men that there are no dwarf-women, and that the Dwarves 'grow out of stone'.
"It is because of the fewness of women among them that the kind of the Dwarves increases slowly, and is in peril when they have no secure dwellings. For Dwarves take only one wife or husband each in their lives, and are jealous, as in all matters of their rights. The number of dwarf-men that marry is actually less than one-third. For not all the women take husbands; some desire one that they cannot get, and so will have no other. As for the men, very many also do not desire marriage, being engrossed in their crafts." (Same source again)
Also from Appendix A:III, the largest attested family size is three children: Thráin II's two sons (Thorin II Oakenshield, Frerin) and one daughter (Dís).
"They are a tough, thrawn race for the most part, secretive, laborious, retentive of the memory of injuries (and of benefits), lovers of stone, of gems, of things that take shape under the hands of craftsman rather than things that live by their own life. But they are not evil by nature, and few ever served the Enemy of free will, whatever the tales of Men may have alleged. For Men of old lusted after their wealth and the work of their hands, and there has been enmity between the races." (LotR: Appendix F)
"Dwarves of different 'breeds' vary in their longevity. Durin's race were originally long-lived (especially those named Durin), but like most other peoples they had become less so during the Third Age. Their average age (unless they met a violent death) was about 250 years, which they seldom fell far short of, but could occasionally far exceed (up to 300). A Dwarf of 300 was about as rare and aged as a Man of 100.
"Dwarves remained young - e.g. regarded as too tender for really hard work or for fighting - until they were 30 or nearly that (Dáin II was very young in 2799 (32) and his slaying of Azog was a great feat). After that they hardened and took on the appearance of age (by human standards) very quickly. By forty all Dwarves looked much alike in age, until they reached what they regarded as old age, about 240. They then began to age and wrinkle and go white quickly (baldness being unknown among them), unles they were going to be long-lived, in which case the process was delayed. Almost the only physical disorder they suffered from (they were singularly immune from diseases such as affected Men, and Halflings) was corpulence. If in prosperous circumstances, many grew very fat at or before 200, and could not do much (save eat) afterwards. Otherwise 'old age' lasted not much more than ten years, and from say 40 or a little before to near 240 (two hundred years) the capacity for toil (and for fighting) of most Dwarves was equally great." (HoME XII: The Peoples of Middle-earth - 'The Making of Appendix A')
"It is then said that Dwarves marry late, seldom before they are ninety or more, they they have few children (so many as four being rare), and continues:
"To these they are devoted, often rather fiercely: that is, they may treat them with apparent harshness (especially in the desire to ensure that they shall grow up tough, hardy, unyielding), but they defend them with all their power, and resent injuries to them even more than to themselves. The same is true of the attitude of children to parents. For an injury to the father a Dwarf may spend a life-time in achieving revenge. Since the 'kings' or heads of lines are regarded as 'parents' of the whole group, it will be understood how it was that the whole of Durin's Race gathered and marshalled itself to avenge Thrór.
"Finally there is a note on the absence of record concerning the women of the Dwarves:
"They are seldom named in genealogies. They join their husbands' families. But if a son is seen to be 110 or so years younger than his father, this usually indicates an elder daughter. Thorin's sister Dís is named simply because of the gallant death of her sons Fili and Kili in defence of Thorin II. The sentiment of affection for sister's children was strong among all peoples of the Third Age, but less so among Dwarves than Men or Elves among whom it was strongest." (Same source. Italics indicate a comment or summary by Christopher Tolkien)
"Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!"
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I'm guessing that that line at the end is Dwarvish... by
on 2013-05-26 04:49:00 UTC
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but being that I (and most PPCers, unless I am mistaken) are not fluent in the Tolkien languages, could you please provide a translation?
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If I remember correctly... by
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Khazâd = Dwarves, so it's something like "The axes of the Dwarves! The Dwarves are upon you!" Unless I've got it backwards, or I'm confusing it with another battle-cry. Or I'm completely wrong.
But really, only Dwarves are fluent in Dwarvish. They're very secretive about their language; even the names we know for them aren't the ones they use amongst themselves.
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That's the one. by
on 2013-05-26 08:36:00 UTC
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"Yet in secret (a secret which unlike the Elves, they did not willingly unlock, even to their friends) they used their own strange tongue, changed little by the years; for it had become a tongue of lore rather than a cradle-speech, and they tended it and guarded it as a treasure of the past. Few of other race have succeeded in learning it. In this history it appears only in such place-names as Gimli revealed to his companions; and in the battle-cry which he uttered in the siege of the Hornburg. That at least was not secret, and had been heard on many a field since the world was young. Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu! 'Axes of the Dwarves! The Dwarves are upon you!'" (Appendix F again)
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A Revelation by
on 2013-05-25 15:57:00 UTC
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...and they have already proved it.
My plot calls for an outbreak of septicemic plague later on, and although I was aware that Dwarves' immune systems were unusually strong, being impervious to disease... won't work.
Thanks for calling this to my attention!
I outlined the story months and months ago, and while I'm sure there was some logical reason for the character being a Dwarf of that family... I can't remember it.
So it should be relatively easy to switch out the setting and race- simpler than rewriting the second half of the plot, anyway.
That should also clear up any misgivings about the canon relatives, breaking canon (which can now co-exist with the fanfic), and Dwarvish customs, so I can focus on the character herself, which is much more managable and less likely to veer into Suedom.
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on 2013-05-25 21:12:00 UTC
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Something I would like to see someone do - I may end up doing it myself - is writing a completely canon-friendly story of a Dwarven woman. It would probably be set during the First Age, when the Dwarves of Belegost and Nogrod had traffic with those of Khazad-Dum - and with the other two-or-four realms far to the east.
In fact, if I were writing it, I think it would be the tale of the fall of Gundabad - awakening-place of Durin, central meeting place of all seven races - to the Orcs... hmm. Plot-Nuzgul are dangerous things...
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Is that a mini-Balrog I spot? by
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"Nuzgul" does not look like any Tolkienverse name I know. The closest I know is "Nazgûl."
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Nuzgul are from OFUM. by
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They were rabbitlike creatures, born of a typo of some sort, like the Fodfather from HFA.
Plot-bunnies+Arda+PPC=Plot-Nuzgul. Though I can see where your assumption was coming from. -
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And that, I think, is why beardless Dwarves ought to be a charge.
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Unless, of course... by
on 2013-05-25 18:49:00 UTC
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Maybe, instead of being a beardless Dwarf, or something to that effect, the character could have shaved his/her beard out of deep (really deep) shame or the extreme need to go into hiding.
Maybe the character was taken prisoner and shaving facial hair was a necessity in prison. I dunno.
But, whatever the cause, a beardless Dwarf would have deep emotional scars, which, handled properly, would make for a great character. (Now theres an idea...)
Not sure why I said all that. Probably just a need to let off some hot air. -
Sues rarely take that into consideration. by
on 2013-05-25 18:51:00 UTC
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Ergo if a Dwarf Sue lacks a beard and the requisite shame for lacking a beard, it would be a charge.
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Dwarf Sues are a thing, I swear. by
on 2013-05-25 21:43:00 UTC
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And there are an alarming number of beardless Dwarf Sues on the Pit (and presumably in the Circle, but I don't dare take a look in there). Since it's mentioned earlier that a Dwarf's beard is their pride and joy and that cutting or shaving it would be shameful to them, naturally a beardless Dwarf would feel great shame in a lack of beard.
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I'm not sure we can even blame the movie for lack of beards. by
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Er, not that you mentioned it, but I thought I'd bring it up.
I don't know if it actually made the movie, but if you do a google search, you get pictures of female Dwarves who...well, they do have beards. Just...very thin ones. But the beards are there! So the Sues have no excuse: they should either have full beards and be unrecognizable as being different from male Dwarves, or they should have thin beards and...well, they should have thin beards at the very least, let's leave it at that.
Although, again, I'm not sure if that even ended up in the movie. It could just be promotional stuff.
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Yeah, no, the Dwarf females have beards in the film. by
on 2013-05-27 18:11:00 UTC
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They were spotted at the beginning of the film, when the Dwarves were first exiled from Erebor.
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Proper beards? by
on 2013-05-27 18:23:00 UTC
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Also, boo, Sues. You literally have no excuse whatsoever. Er, unless you haven't seen the movies or read the books, in which case, why are you writing fanfic of them??
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Where does Tolkien address the whole beard thing? by
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Just out of curiosity from how people've talked in this thread.
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Right over yonder. by
on 2013-05-26 20:47:00 UTC
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I swear I'm not as dumb as this makes me look. (nm) by
on 2013-05-26 20:49:00 UTC
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A classic case... by
on 2013-05-25 22:53:00 UTC
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Of the Suethor applying modern cultural standards to a fictional culture. I recently read a Star Trek Suefic where the Sue complained that she had purple eyes. Because in the 24th century, non-humans are totally rare and never join Starfleet.
Blame Thorin and Fili and Kili. They made dwarves look attractive. I maintain that Sues decide to be the prettiest looking race. -
I submit this short mockery for your approval/amusement. by
on 2013-05-27 12:31:00 UTC
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(for reference, this is AOS. Even though you've said it was the 24th century. Hope it's still funny...)
"Oh woe is me, for my eyes are a depressing shade of violet!" the woman wailed.
Jim Kirk gave her an odd look. "Uh, right. I'll just be over here, okay?" He turned and quickly walked over to the nearest crewmember on the bridge. "Uhura, help!" he hissed. "She's at it again."
The Communications officer rolled her eyes. "Is it the red-and-blue hair this time, or the purple eyes?"
"The eyes," Kirk replied, glancing back at the Cardassian Ambassador's aide. "I don't get why she thinks they're so unusual, we were just on a planet where everyone had them--shit, she's coming over here!"
"How couldst thou ever love one such as me?" the woman in question cried. A single tear slid down her cheek. "For I have amethyst eyes and glittery skin and crimson-and-cobalt hair--"
"Spock!" Kirk called. "Put that picture on the viewscreen, will you?"
Spock complied, and Kirk turned the woman to face the viewscreen.
"Look," he said. "See those people?"
The woman gasped. "But--but--"
"They look exactly like you," Kirk said. "Uh, except for the skin, but that's probably added--uh--right. Look, we were just on a planet where everyone had that coloring. So you can stop whining about it, and maybe even, I don't know, do your job." He let her go, and walked down to the Captain's chair.
The woman stood frozen for a short five minutes, during which the bridge operated normally (with perhaps a few added snickers). Then, the relative silence was broken.
"Woe is me," the woman wailed, "for I have naturally shimmering skin! How couldst thou ever--"
"Please get off the bri--"
"--love one cursed--"
"Get off the bridge!"
"--with such an afflic--" The woman's voice stopped mid-sentence, and most of the bridge crew breathed sighs of relief.
Kirk grinned. "I knew there was a reason I keep you around," he said to Spock.
The Science officer raised an eyebrow. "I was merely removing a disruption," he said calmly.
"Pay up," Sulu whispered to Chekov, and the Navigator complied.
"I cannot believe ze keptin did not crack first!" Chekov muttered.
Uhura took one more look at the unconscious woman lying abandoned on the floor, and turned back to her station, smiling.
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I really need to see the new movie. I've missed these guys a lot.
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*laughter* by
on 2013-05-27 19:07:00 UTC
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I imagine TOS characters to be particularly used to Sues, and therefore expert at dealing with them. What makes this particularly amusing, though, is that this is the segment of fic I was complaining about:
Two things were off about my appearance, my eyes were completely purple, everything expect my pupils was a bright purple, and my wildly curly black hair naturally had random streaks of brown, blue, green and bright red.
It's like you knew that she also had colorful hair.
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*bows* by
on 2013-05-27 19:39:00 UTC
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Whoa, wait, she has no whites? Weird. But still, not very strange for an alien.
Heh, I see everything. /is bricked/ Well, no, I don't. It was a lucky guess. And I think I needed something to add, because just having purple eyes is kind of random.
I'd have to go to a lot of trouble to see it in theaters--I'm currently kind of far away from places that have them--but I'll catch it online at some point. Probably soon, since I'm starting to get mild spoilers and I want to join in with the Board discussion...
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Ugh, why. by
on 2013-05-25 22:58:00 UTC
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Western ideals of hairless beauty do NOT belong with the Dwarves for Glaurung's sake. I've ranted about this on Tumblr many, many times.
But Thorin and Fili had beards. Kili just had some stubble. Dammit Kili. -
movie!Kili looks like movie!Aragorn. by
on 2013-05-27 12:14:00 UTC
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To me, anyway. Perhaps they're related? /bricked
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Shoot me now. (nm) by
on 2013-05-26 00:34:00 UTC
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@Huinesoron by
on 2013-05-25 13:35:00 UTC
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Thank you! I'm sure these will be most helpful.
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^That was my post. Just so you know. (nm) by
on 2013-05-25 16:22:00 UTC
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A book I just read by
on 2013-05-25 22:10:00 UTC
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So, I just finished The Book Thief by Markus Zusak, and I was wondering if anyone else here has read it?
If you haven't, you should. The writing is absolutely beautiful, it's narrated by a sympathetic and snarky incarnation of Death, and did I mention the pretty metaphors?
---spoilers below---
I was crying so much at the end, and even though Death spoiled the ending halfway though, I just-- Rudy! And the scene with Liesel kissing him, finally, finally, but it doesn't work and the accordion, and the books, and Max, and the epilogue where our narrator gives The Book Thief back to her.
Sorry about that, I had all my feelings bottled up and I needed to get it out. But the last thirty-or-so pages were the definition of heartbreaking.
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Oh, yes! by
on 2013-05-27 13:34:00 UTC
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I read it a while ago, but one of my close friends is in love with that book. I should probably read it again, it was really awesome.
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@Ailavyn Siniyash by
on 2013-05-27 01:35:00 UTC
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I loved that book!
The kissing scene-- I have no words. :')
Although I must say, reading it taught me a valuable lesson in quality over quantity regarding metaphors. While there were plenty of gems in there- 'specially the colors- sometimes it seemed like a desperate grope for poetic devices, such as the cabinets that were the shape of grief. Almost (dare I say it?) urple phrases every now and then.
Apart from that nitpicky complaint, it was one of the best novels I've read.
I found Death as the narrator beautiful, creative, amusing... and oddly frustrating. (Frustrating as in, I can't believe I didn't think of that first, darnit!)
And the bomb drills... *reverent sigh*
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I honestly liked the metaphors. by
on 2013-05-27 02:19:00 UTC
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This version of Death is very sensory, and it almost seems like he's got some sort of synesthesia.
Although I think I have more of a tolerance then most for urple writing, so that might just account for it.
Yes yes yes to everything you said about Death.
I think one of my personal favorite bits, or at least one of the ones that stuck with me most, was Max painting the dripping sun and rope of clouds on the basement wall.
And you're welcome!
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That was a beautiful scene. One of many. :) (nm) by
on 2013-05-27 02:21:00 UTC
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Oh my god, I love that book by
on 2013-05-26 16:02:00 UTC
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I also really, really loved the colors. And thinking about the end has me tearing up a lot, thanks a lot.
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Oh, yes, the colors by
on 2013-05-26 18:27:00 UTC
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And you're welcome!
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Oh my gosh! by
on 2013-05-26 05:36:00 UTC
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Wow, I just read this a few months ago! I have no idea where it came from, but a friend of mine was reading it and it sounded intriguing so I stole it during the times she wasn't actively reading it. I knew that title looked familiar, when I first read it I thought for some crazy reason you were trying to refer to "The Thief Lord" by Cornelia Funke, but when I read the description, I realized what you were really talking about. ^^;
Such a great book! I little weird at first, but once you get used to it being Death narrating his observations on the character's lives, it's a great read, and an interesting view into Nazi Germany during the war.
Guess I'll do this too, just in case :D
---Spoilers!---
Oh I was sobbing when her dad died! And Rudy! I loved the basement readings, how her dad was spared over a seat, them standing up to the Germans during the Jew walks. The mayor's wife ended up being so sad and so cool. Such wonderful metaphors too, you are absolutely right! -
The ending hurts. And Max and the concentration camps. by
on 2013-05-26 18:27:00 UTC
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It took a couple chapters for me to get into the writing style, but I love it so much. It's so original.
-Aila
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I guess you have to deal with a new member by
on 2013-05-26 02:16:00 UTC
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Hi, I guess.
I'm a guy, I'm 15, read and write almost exclusively anime stuff, am obsessed with Lucky Star for some reason, and I'm probably nowhere near as good at writing as any of you guys. And I basically have no idea what I'm doing. ._.
I think that there's too much yaoi/yuri out there, even though I've written a little of it myself. I'm guilty of not proofreading my fics, but I'm too overconfident in my spelling/grammar ability for that >
So I guess there isn't that much more for me to say about myself. If you have any questions (probably not since I don't really stand out), I guess, ask. -
Alloo! by
on 2013-05-29 00:38:00 UTC
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I'd tackle-hug you, but I dunno how you are about physical touch, so I'll just offer you a cookie instead.
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Velcome, Velcom, to our humbil board. by
on 2013-05-27 21:36:00 UTC
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Vast von moment... *spits out vampire teeth* Ah, much better. Sorry about that, I was just playing Dracula yesterday and forgot to drop the voice. Anyway, welcome!
Ah, an Anime fan I see. Well, I must admit, I am not a huge fan of the art style, but feel free to enjoy what you will.
Now, by custom I have to give you a gift. Let's see... Do you like Fullmetal Alchemist? Well, here, have a cheap copy of the Philosopher's Stone. Use it's powers for good and mild amusement. -
Ello to you! n_n by
on 2013-05-27 16:27:00 UTC
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Aah. Welcome gift, welcome gift... Here. One ice box filled with cookies of your choice. Don't ask why they're in the ice box.
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on 2013-05-27 20:53:00 UTC
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Do I also get the ice that was originally in the ice box?
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Yeah sure, why not? (nm) by
on 2013-05-29 18:32:00 UTC
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I guess another gift is to be given. by
on 2013-05-27 13:41:00 UTC
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Here's a virtual penumbuk padi. Useful to punch rice, but don't ask me why we like to punch rice. We Nusantaraeans just do.
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Welcome! by
on 2013-05-27 13:31:00 UTC
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Well, hello there and stuff. Take this pen for proofreading! It may or may not contain glittery Sue blood. But doesn't everybody correct things with red ink?
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Eh, we like new members. by
on 2013-05-27 12:04:00 UTC
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We really do. We like to eat them with bleepolate sauce--
Sorry. I think that's the lousy part of my sense of humor talking.
We really do like newbies, though, although we do tend not to eat them. Actually, I don't think there's ever been a record of us eating them... *looks around shiftily*
Anyway! Hi, welcome to the Board! I'm DawnFire, as you can probably guess. We seem not to share any fandoms, but don't worry! I can still give you even more bleeproducts (you seem to be gaining rather a lot) as a Welcome Gift! Here, have some Swiss Bleepolate and some Gummyblee Stars (which can be ironic if Lucky Star has nothing at all to do with stars, and appropriate if it has everything to do with stars). They're quite useful for reading badfic...
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Records of eating newbies. by
on 2013-05-28 09:40:00 UTC
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Of course there aren't records; we're not supposed to write it down if we do eat one. That's just common sense.
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Does that mean... by
on 2013-05-28 17:24:00 UTC
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...One of you is plotting to eat me?
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WHOEVER IT IS, I'LL HAVE YOU BEFORE YOU HAVE ME, DAMMIT! -
Stand still! by
on 2013-05-28 19:06:00 UTC
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You'll go well with rice and soy sauce!
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Welcome! by
on 2013-05-27 09:25:00 UTC
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Welcome, welcome to the PPC! Here, have an Odd Container as a welcome present!
Odd Container
Item Level 1
Chance on Opening: Receive one huggle OR one spray of confetti -- your choice.
[This container is perfectly spherical and fashioned from glite-painted wood. Its weight changes at odd intervals, and you can't shake the feeling that opening it may prove hazardous to your health]
...Ignore the flavor text, it doesn't like me. -
Hazardous? by
on 2013-05-27 13:25:00 UTC
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...*points the lid at you and begins to open it*
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So it seems... by
on 2013-05-27 06:46:00 UTC
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Welcome to the PPC. It seems that most of the standard questions (Have you read the Constitution?/read the Original Series?/seen the Wiki?) have all been asked or alluded to already, leaving but one left: How did you run across the PPC?
Either way, I hope that you find your stay here to be pleasurable. As SpecstacularSC said, guiding people with writing issues tends to be our thing. Why, we recently helped someone concerned that she was writing a Suefic because her OC was slated to be related to a canon character!
But enough Serious Business; time for gifts! So...
*rummages through Pokemon-trainer-issue bag of holding*
Aha!
*pulls out item*
Have a Spirited Away poster! Hope you like it! -
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on 2013-05-27 13:27:00 UTC
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I actually came across PPC from TVTropes; on the "lemon" page (don't ask) there was a link to the Citrus Scale on the wiki.
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Welcome! by
on 2013-05-27 01:50:00 UTC
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I feel so seasoned! Two newbies since I joined! (Which would be a whopping week ago. -.-)
Indulge in this delectable platter of marinated loon liver. No, not the liver, the platter. Don't be disgusting. Who eats loon liver anyway?
Also, have a dysfunctional peashooter. It works superbly for launching green beans at high velocity, but I can't get it to shoot a single darned pea...
And because you don't think anyone would bother with questions...
What's your favorite color?
Do you like Cane toads?
Which would surprise you more, an acrobatic komodo dragon swinging from your ceiling while spewing black jellybeans out of its tarnished oboe... or Superman sneezing?
Name one of the emperors who reigned during the Visigoth ocupation of the Roman empire.
What is your great-uncle's middle name?
Do you spontaneously burst into giggles whenever someone mentions deceased puppies?
Would you rather eat hummus without pita bread or pita bread without hummus?
You say your are confident with your spelling and grammar skills... but are you confident in your ability to intimidate a honey badger? O.e
I'm Len, by the way. Nice to meet you. -
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on 2013-05-27 13:33:00 UTC
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That's a lot of questions...
1. clear
2. no
3. I guess the komodo dragon thing
4. Sir Cookie Monster III
5. all of my great-aunts and uncles are in another country so I wouldn't know
6. ...maybe
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And that's a lot of answers. by
on 2013-05-27 18:49:00 UTC
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1.) Sweet! -.-
2.) Well, few people do. But I can't help feeling bad for them. So unloved...
3.) Really? Huh.
4.) *disapproving head shake* No, darling, that'd be Carthage you're thinking of.
5.) That's too bad, and then again, cool at the same time.
6.) Nothing to be ashamed of, friend! I... may do that sometimes.
7.) I'd go for the hummus without the pita, personally. Meh, your opinion.
8.) That would be really freaking awesome, seeing as they do not experience the emotion of fear. Must be quite the arsenal you've got yourself. -
*face palm* by
on 2013-05-27 01:57:00 UTC
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I had just begun to formulate the flattering theory that we're getting so many new members because I simply radiate magnetic awesomeness, which draws people in like moths to a particularly shiny flame...
...when I realized that I spelled "you" wrong in that last post...
...and also that my classy joke about eating a metal platter did not work AT ALL.
So much for self esteem. Sigh. -
I would... by
on 2013-05-26 14:17:00 UTC
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...share some of my chemical supplies, but there's the problem that I don't have any.
I hope you've received enough Bleep* to last, though. -
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on 2013-05-26 06:51:00 UTC
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Welcome, fellow newbie, I'm Kitt! Have a bar of Blip Blap!
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Welcome by
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Be sure to ask questions. Trust me, you'll need to.
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Good to have you a-Board! by
on 2013-05-26 05:53:00 UTC
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Greetings, new friend! Have a auto-sweat drop emitter!
And, not to worry! We'll have that overconfidence knocked down in a jiffy! -
*heavy sigh* by
on 2013-05-26 05:37:00 UTC
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Always with the new members and the-
Ha haaa, I can't take myself seriously enough to finish that.
Just messing with you - welcome to the board! No worries about your issues, we're here to help you fix them. It's kind of the PPC's whole deal, really.
Well, that and general wackiness.
As a welcome gift, have some BleepNerds, I have an excess stock of this stuff anyhow. Brain bleach and tiny, tangy candies combined into sweet tooth bliss against bad fanfiction! :D -
*waves* by
on 2013-05-26 04:23:00 UTC
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Ooh, a newbie! Hi!
And th'art not boring, really, even if I don't know any of your fandoms. I'm a fantasy book girl, mostly.
As for a gift, hmmm... Oh! Here, have one (1) Lined Infinite Notebook, featuring urple covers and wilver binding. Open the package at your eyes' own risk.
And since no one else has asked, have you read the Origial Series?
-Aila -
Hello! by
on 2013-05-26 03:44:00 UTC
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You mentioned Lucky star, but do you have any other anime fandoms you can think of? Or books, movies, videogames, other cartoons, or live-action TV? A list of fandoms tends to be appreciated, especially since it can let people know what gifts to give you.
Oh, also. Wiki link. That's The Board Constitution, in case you missed it, and it connects to the main wiki, to catch you up on the spin-offs.
Let's see, do I have anything anime-related in my gift bags... (rummages) Ah, here we go. Have a spiky-haired wig! Shock the barber! Convince your friends you're a manga protagonist! Roast marshmallows on the pointy ends!
Also, you created a Naruto mini down there, so I will also present you with Naurto, the mini-Kurama! Also called a mini-Kyūbi, but nobody's keyboard has that weird ū letter, so people who call it that will approximate it to Kyuubi in missions and such. -
Re: Hello! by
on 2013-05-26 04:08:00 UTC
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As far as fandoms go... not actually a whole lot, usually when I watch an anime I watch it for a few episodes and then suddenly find something else. Things that I've really gotten into would be Lucky Star, Initial D (oh yeah, I'm a car nut as well), and Angel Beats. I've been into Mirai Nikki a.k.a. Future Diary at one point, as well as Dog Days. I've also finally started watching Sword Art Online, and I've been meaning to start watching Baccano again (as Mirai Nikki distracted me from it less than two episodes in).
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I guess we have to welcome you aboard! by
on 2013-05-26 02:23:00 UTC
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Don't sell yourself short; we all start somewhere. As for writing talent, you're probably better than you think. Why not link to samples of your writing?
Have a fountain pen (urple ink so use it sparingly) and welcome to the PPC! -
Neat! First reply! by
on 2013-05-26 02:20:00 UTC
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Welcome! It would appear that I'm the first person to welcome you to the Board. (I'll leave all the jokes for the vets.)
But, yeah. In case you haven't already, check out the Wiki and the Constitution and all that shtuff.
As for your obsession with Japanese animation and illustration, do you follow Naruto? Ever heard of Studio Ghibli?
But enough questions for now- everyone else will ask plenty. Have a fluffy velociraptor! -
Raptors... by
on 2013-05-26 03:01:00 UTC
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Aren't I normally supposed to run from raptors? ._.
Naurto? No, I'm not a big fan of fighting anime; I prefer lower-tempo stuff. And yeah, if someone tried to guess just from my anime interests, they probably would think I'm a girl.
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Not if it's FLUFFY! by
on 2013-05-27 00:01:00 UTC
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Yup- by fluffy velociraptor I mean a small stuffed velociraptor with lots of fuzz. Very cute.
No Naruto? Aw. But at least I got this neat Mini-Kyuubi, Naurto!
As for Studio Ghibli... what do you think of the stuff you've seen by them?
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Any other Mau5ians here? by
on 2013-05-26 07:06:00 UTC
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I found a fic you might 'like' hehehehhahahah oh wow
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8262988/1/Running-Colors
No just really...
I'm not even done it but look. It's awful. I know her from tumblr, and she's a good artist and all, but just...
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I have struck gold. by
on 2013-05-27 01:58:00 UTC
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Witness a perfect example of Poe's law in all of its plotless, grammatically incorrect glory.
The Quest for the Holey Grail
Harry Potter x Lord of the Rings x Arthurian legend
Enjoy with moderation.
For those who can't stand reading it, let the manwithoutabody's soothing voice guide you through the story. -
Aw yeah! Manwithoutabody! (nm) by
on 2013-05-28 23:54:00 UTC
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Woah. by
on 2013-05-27 13:39:00 UTC
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21 chapters... he's actually taking this seriously.
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Ahahaha... (it's laugh or cry, believe me) by
on 2013-05-27 11:56:00 UTC
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"Sudden a night carged into the room and yelled "Aurthur! We know were the Holey Grayil is!""
That's it, I'm gone. This is hilarious, or it will be until my brain comprehends the senseless slaughter of King Arthur and his knights...
Seriously, I haven't made it past the first chapter, and this looks like it might be Legendary Badfic material. What say you?
Second chapter: NO.
Third chapter: Hm, I like how Arthur has nights rather than knights. It's a very interesting mental image.
"It was a man made of blood."
AAAAAUUUUGH!
Go back to the nights, I like the nights!
Fourth chapter: ...this fic is entirely composed of minis, isn't it.
That's all I can take for now, but I'll see if I can get through the rest of it at some point...
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For my sanity's ... by
on 2013-05-27 15:07:00 UTC
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I'm calling parody.
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I hope you're right. by
on 2013-05-27 15:28:00 UTC
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I adore the dramatic reading, though.
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*sanity's sake. (nm) by
on 2013-05-27 15:08:00 UTC
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Anyone else... by
on 2013-05-27 11:36:00 UTC
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mentally reading these lines as narrated by the cast of Monty Python?
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Pro Tip: Do not watch in public. by
on 2013-05-27 07:08:00 UTC
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Unless you have no problem with people staring at you because of your regular outbursts of laughter.
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Re: I have struck gold. by
on 2013-05-27 05:20:00 UTC
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Yeah how about NO. Just why.
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What the hell did I just read. (nm) by
on 2013-05-27 03:47:00 UTC
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I've got a theory... by
on 2013-05-27 04:03:00 UTC
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...that what we're actually looking at is the Meaning of Life, but our brains cannot grasp
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Huh? by
on 2013-05-27 00:02:00 UTC
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What's a Mau5?
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Re: Huh? by
on 2013-05-28 05:55:00 UTC
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Deadmau5 fandom, aka 'The Horde'
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Oh... Yeah... by
on 2013-05-28 23:53:00 UTC
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...That giant mouse head I keep seeing everywhere...
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Aaaand I'm pretty sure the Pit doesn't even allow RPF. by
on 2013-05-26 10:22:00 UTC
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Also, I'm just as pretty sure that the category is referring to this: The Producers
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Re: Aaaand I'm pretty sure the Pit doesn't even allow RPF. by
on 2013-05-26 16:10:00 UTC
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Ah well. I just thought I'd show you for shits and giggles.
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They don't. by
on 2013-05-26 12:46:00 UTC
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Not that the most ravid fangirls care about that.
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on 2013-05-26 16:09:00 UTC
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Yeah. I don't know why they post things in the wrong categories. It really annoys me.
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People keep asking me to write more TCDA stuff. by
on 2013-05-26 17:55:00 UTC
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(The TCDA being the Transfictional Canonical Defence Authority, a Steampunk PPC created by Pieguy and run away with by me)
Some time ago I considered what it would be like if the Internet was a Victorian concept.
Lily has recently mentioned the idea of AU PPC Boards.
a + b + c = The Board for the Appreciation of the TCDA, where many erudite souls discuss their affection for the Forces of Literature Conservation.
It's clickable! (Zoom-ins open in new windows or tabs)
And for bonus points, with the exceptions of Lacksidacksical (my 'generic newbie' from previous discussions) and KinemaFantastik, everyone on there is (loosely!) based on a Boarder... how many can you spot?
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Oooh! by
on 2013-05-28 03:13:00 UTC
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Which reminds me I had a plan to write a mission for the Organisation... Also I spotted Phobos (Deimos) and... I think that's it.
I almost want to see an Electropunk fic, though I fear that many metalevels might cause our internets to escape again.
Also I didn't spot myself on there, but then again I might have not clicked on enough bits (and I haven't been on the Board in a while, sadly). I wonder how firemagic would even translate - combustionwitchcraft, perhaps?(KarrinBlue could probably be something like HekateAzure) -
Then you are fortunate indeed! by
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For our very own Aikaterine has toiled day and night to render the complete manuscript of her electropunk TCDA - or 'PPC', as it is termed - report, featuring bizarre analogues of our own beloved founders, the great Janet and Acacia. Featuring familiar TCDA devices and undertakings seen in a fundamentally altered light, as it were through a kaleidoscopic mirror!
Follow this thread to read the report.
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I actually think that "electropunk" is supposed to be us. by
on 2013-05-28 20:09:00 UTC
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And about the names, I'm pretty sure I am not there too.
Besides, what would Sergio Turbo become? Serafino De Bollitore? Serafino is an Italian name that fell out of use and now feels outdated, and "bollitore" is the Italian term for boiler, a core component of steam engines, with the vestigial preposition "de" before it. ("De" is roughly an equivalent of "of", and is a retail of the formal naming scheme "Serafino of [the] Bollitore [house/family]") -
I actually meant that the "Electropunk AU" is the PPC (nm) by
on 2013-05-28 22:08:00 UTC
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Re: I actually think that "electropunk" is supposed to be us. by
on 2013-05-28 20:58:00 UTC
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Nope, Aikaterine is Karen, and PastryGentleman is Pieguy.
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Aikaterine is Kaitlyn, actually, (nm) by
on 2013-05-28 22:45:00 UTC
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Nicely done! by
on 2013-05-27 17:15:00 UTC
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Very entertaining, although I must admit to being slightly disappointed that it isn't another actual TCDA story - which is what I'd been expecting from the subject line you used. However, this was still good fun to read.
I'm pretty sure I spotted myself on there, and I managed to identify a few others.
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That is wonderful in so many ways. (nm) by
on 2013-05-27 13:25:00 UTC
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I must say, hS, you have me down perfectly. by
on 2013-05-27 11:05:00 UTC
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Although it did take me several seconds to understand what a 'flawlit' was.
Also, I'm now very tempted to either change my screenname to Eos'Flame, which sounds very nice, or else to write something set in that Board AU (which is more likely to happen).
Also, lovely use of threads.
Electropunk TCDA. ELECTROPUNK TCDA. That is wonderful and amazing.
Who's Professor Challenger? I feel like I should know, considering that Eos'Flame has just written a report set in his world, but I have no idea.
And hey, goodbye anonymous posts! Handwriting is all we need...:D
All in all, wonderful. Although who, I wonder, is the Unnamed Academian?
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Zhe links! by
on 2013-05-27 16:48:00 UTC
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Professor Challenger
The Unnamed Academian
And, of course, it is worth noting that 'anonymous posting' is kind of difficult on the Board... we can all see your IP, after all.
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Steampunk Doctor Who? by
on 2013-05-27 18:07:00 UTC
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Yes, please.
...and that means that that particular 'action I am forbidden to undertake' was the result of a Steampunk Blackout! Would Electropunk Agents get tossed into that?
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Tekeli-li! Tekeli-li! (nm) by
on 2013-05-28 01:18:00 UTC
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...RUN FOR YOUR LIFE! by
on 2013-05-27 19:52:00 UTC
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Steampunk Slorp? Oh, wow. That's a scary mental image.
And Christianne and Eledhwen would totally come through XD
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True, but how often do we sit around matching up IPs? by
on 2013-05-27 17:23:00 UTC
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Ahh, that makes a lot more sense. And I've seen that Unnamed Academian story before! Not sure when, but it's nice to see it again.
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When someone posts anonymously? by
on 2013-05-27 18:25:00 UTC
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Specifically when they're doing so to be inflammatory? Pretty much every time.
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Oh, well, if they're not doing it accidentally. by
on 2013-05-27 18:28:00 UTC
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I mean more if someone posted a serious reply to a serious questions, and my point is completely moot, isn't it? I think I just tend to find these anonymous posts after the writer has identified themselves or been identified.
I also just misspelled that as 'indentified'. I wonder what that would look like?
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The accidentally anonymous posts... by
on 2013-05-28 20:36:00 UTC
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... usually get "claimed" by their authors just seconds afterwards, so you have to open the page at about the right time to find one without a "claim".
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A little question... by
on 2013-05-27 04:27:00 UTC
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In the list of Actions in which I am Forbidden to Undertake at the TCDA, there is an item about the Great Detective deducing the true nature of the Citadel.
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The Citadel = Steampunk!HQ. by
on 2013-05-27 08:08:00 UTC
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There's a mention somewhere in the stories, but I can't track it down right now.
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I got a few. by
on 2013-05-27 04:16:00 UTC
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Eos'Flame = DawnFire - Eos is the Greek goddess of the the dawn, and flame = fire.
Daisy Snowbound = Lily Winterwood - Flower first name, winter/snow. Also a liking for the works of "the Great Detective".
O'Ershadowed Eagle = you, hS, but that was mostly because of "Davillo and Serenity". Otherwise, I'm not sure how it fits.
Aikaterine = Karen - this took some thought, but Katherine is the short, Anglicized form of Aikaterina, and Karen is further a shortened form of Katherine.
Deimos = Phobos - Simple mythology reference. Also the two moons of Mars.
Psyche = Neshomeh - Nesh has stated that her name means soul, and Psyche means soul in Greek. Also, "Psyche" is in charge of a reference tome, and Nesh does a lot of the wiki organization.
Great Auk = Tawaki - The response to the newbie thread involved a "First Dotterel" - aside from the phrasing, a quick search on "dotterel" revealed it to be a bird in the plover family.
SlyWitch = VixenMage - took some thought, but now that I see it it seems obvious.
Unknown Graphologist = Nameless Admin
I'm confused on the identity of A, though. PPCers usually have complicated, creative names.
This made me want to read the TCDA, and while I have difficulty understanding some of the AU terminology and don't know some of these agents' prime counterparts, I find the imitation of Victorian writing really accurate and the stories entertaining and clever.
I confess, I've never been a fan of the Victorian era. Too...proper, and the female fashions have never appealed. But against my prior judgments, I do like the TCDA, and may try to write in it some time. -
A is probably just "Anonymous" by
on 2013-05-28 02:03:00 UTC
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Aw, I'm not in there anywhere, though not like there'd be much to work off. Seeing the board's real fun though!
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Ooh, very good. by
on 2013-05-27 08:13:00 UTC
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Only one mistake - Karen may well be a short form of Katherine, but if you run through Greek > French > Irish > English, you get a different derived name...
(Huine = 'shade', Soron = 'Eagle'. It's a direct translation from the Quenya)
And Lily's right that 'A' is Araeph. I like to think she's got some long, complicated name that she can't be bothered to write out.
As to female fashions - I agree. But dress sense in the TCDA tends to be more, ah, creative. (See image)
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Well it's not "Anonymous" at all! Oops! by
on 2013-05-28 02:05:00 UTC
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Teach me not to read a whole thread before I post.
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I was close. by
on 2013-05-27 15:24:00 UTC
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Karen and Kaitlyn are related names.
Ah, now I know where your username comes from.
After careful thought, I will say that my AU username is "Athene of Baker Street". My username can be simplified to "[strong female character I admire] of [canonical location]". Both Greek Mythology and Sherlock Holmes would be popular during the Victorian era, and like my current username, you can imagine the character visiting the location. According to the Percy Jackson series, famous historical figures were children of various gods - Sherlock Holmes being a son of Athena would not be too far fetched.
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Could be Araeph? by
on 2013-05-27 04:55:00 UTC
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Maybe it's because it's an A in red pen. Or maybe someone on the Board has admitted to liking the Scarlet Letter, and I wasn't around to see that.
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Ooh! by
on 2013-05-27 00:04:00 UTC
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Lackadaisy!
Awesome webcomic with anthropomorphic cats in 20th century America!
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I found a few! by
on 2013-05-26 21:33:00 UTC
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Not me, though... But, I wasn't too hopeful, since I haven't been on in a while, and how would my username even translate in Victorian speech?
(Astounding Bespectacled SC, I guess?)
I did find, however, DawnFire, the Admin, and I think Tawaki. -
/Genteel chuckles. by
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I get the feeling that I'm Daisy Snowbound on there. And Swordsman of Hibernia is probably the Irish Samurai, and Deimos is Phobos, isn't it?
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Oh, that's brilliant! by
on 2013-05-26 18:39:00 UTC
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I especially liked how they were writing Jay and Acacia.
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Hurrah! by
on 2013-05-26 18:24:00 UTC
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You're a credit to the Authority, sir.
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So I'm gonna be in Seattle in 3 weeks for a few days (nm) by
on 2013-05-27 00:39:00 UTC
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Fun!! by
on 2013-05-29 20:13:00 UTC
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I might be there, if I can convince parental units that my fellow PPCers are not evil nutsos (not sure about that, actually). But have fun anyway, guys!!
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Shiny! by
on 2013-05-27 05:25:00 UTC
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I will be here!
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Hi Dann! by
on 2013-05-27 11:39:00 UTC
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Hope you guys have a fun meeting.
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...I assume this was a Gathering proposition! by
on 2013-05-27 01:23:00 UTC
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I'll probably be back at school by then, which is a few hours East of Seattle, but it might still be doable! I know the population density of Seattle-based PPCers is growing fairly quickly!
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You assume correctly. by
on 2013-05-27 03:23:00 UTC
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I would've said as much, but my phone, from which I send this, is misbehaving.
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Is anyone else obsessively into ancient history? by
on 2013-05-27 02:06:00 UTC
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*looks around for someone to engage in geeky blather with*
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Might as well step in... by
on 2013-05-30 07:21:00 UTC
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...even if I'm a little late.
I like to read pretty much anything on ancient history, but for some reason nothing really sticks. Does anyone have any interesting historical events to share?
As for me, I specialize in the First World War era, a period that is often overshadowed by the rest of the twentieth century. -
Well... by
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There's always the Senator Joseph McCarthy debacle in the Cold War era.
Guy was an early example of a troll - anybody who disagreed with him was a communist, according to "proof" he somehow always had. It always stuck because of the whole Red Scare going around.
And then he made his own investigation firm, which was pretty bad at its job, but still won cases on the basis of "OHMAHGAWD CAHMYOONEESUM!"
Until they tried to sue the military for being Communists.
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Mass hysteria. (nm) by
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Mythology, in particular. by
on 2013-05-29 15:39:00 UTC
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I'm probably not obsessive, in the true sense of the word, but I like to think that I am.
I do, however, know a lot about Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Norse, and Chinese mythology and the Arthurian legends. Likewise, I know most Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Norse, and Chinese history as well as some of the history of Britain.
The advent of civilization, and the cities involved, is kind of my thing, though, so I can answer most questions about Sumeria, Mesopotamia, Alexandria, and the like.
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I'd be interested in any of it, although my own knowledge is somewhat more restricted.
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*raises hand* by
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All history interests me. But if you will talk with me about ancient history, you may own my soul.
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That's an intimidating thought. by
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Well, right now I'm kind of into the Black Death, since I'm doing a research project on it for school. Did you know that, although people will tell you its "proper" name was the bubonic plague, that the Black Death IS its real name? And that the bubonic plague was only a third of the actual pestilence, which was made up of a septicemic, a pneumonic, and a bubonic plague integrated into the same pathogen? I didn't until recently, not being a very scientific person, but I thought it was a cool trivia nugget.
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The Black Death, you say? by
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I didn't know much about it until my reading-comprehension prep for state testing last year, in which one of the paragraphs was all about it. Before that, all I knew (or thought) was that it had something to do with rats.
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Well, if there's anything you'd like elucidation on, I'll do my best to help out!
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Not ancient history, no. by
on 2013-05-27 18:29:00 UTC
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More WWII-ish history.
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I can't say I know much about WWII either. by
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The best claim I've got as far as World War 2 knowledge is reading a few novels that took place in it.
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I've read several novels set in WWII time. by
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My current favorite, however, is Princess Elizabeth's Spy, a great mystery novel set in and around Windsor Castle. It's the second book in a series, and I seriously recommend it.
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It's my cup of coffee. by
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I read a lot about that, but recently I didn't have much time.
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Ancient Greek by
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I just love how bizarre the mythology and customs can be and then see how weird our customs would be from their point of view.
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So true. by
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Like tapping on a flat, oddly glowing boxy... thing... to make funny little runes jump around on it and finding that entertaining.
Or putting "hashtag" in front of every noun we say.
Or UGG boots in summer.
Or dystopian novels.
Or worrying about environmental impacts.
Or, in warfare, running around pell-mell making bent sticks make banging noises and thus magically causing enemies to fall down dead via some sort of telekinetic witchcraft instead of marching with honor in straight lines like "ordinary" folk.
Or pants.
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Heh. You remind me... by
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... of my brief analysis of the legendary beast known as the 'lion', and how the symbolism of it changed through to the late 20th Century.
I also once read a book which described an archaeological dig of an ancient Earth temple-racetrack, complete with discussions of their monetary system and ritual transportation devices...
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This made me laugh so hard. by
on 2013-05-30 03:36:00 UTC
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Especially the part about warfare. ;)
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Oh, thank goodness. I was feeling very un-witty right there. (nm by
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I am! by
on 2013-05-27 10:45:00 UTC
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Well, sort of. I'm probably not obsessive, per se, but I do know a lot of random details and like to talk about them.
I should still remember a lot about Ancient Egypt, some bits about Greek and Roman mythology and history, Arthurian legends, a bit of Norse mythology (which I must improve, considering that I'm co-writing the Avengers OFU), some Medieval stuff, Native American tales, and a whole lot of Jewish history, thanks to the efforts of most of the schools I've been to. Past that, the list goes on.
Any of that interest you? If so, let's converse! If not, let's find something that one of us knows about and the other wants to learn about, and converse anyway! :)
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@DawnFire by
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I'm the same way. As in- doing research at school and having to relate it all in story form to my best friend, whether she cares or not. I also tend to exhaggerate, so maybe "very much intrigued and enjoying to rave about it" would be more accurate than "obsessed."
Well, out of those, Greece and Rome would be common ground. I've learned bits and pieces of Jewish history, but not in much detail, and I know next to nothing about Arthurian legends and Native American mythology. They sound fascinating, though. -
Let's see... by
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Ancient Egypt history, ancient Greek history, ancient Japanese history... also various mythologies (Ancient Egypt, old Norse, Japanese, the Arthurian myth, Welsh myths, Irish myths)...
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Norse myths by
on 2013-05-27 11:54:00 UTC
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are fairly fun to read in a good translation. I can't recommend "the Norse Myths" by Kevin Crossley-Holland enough, who makes up for his lack of creativity with titles with his prose and accuracy of translation.
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Wow. by
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So what's Japanese mythology like?
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Well... by
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There's a genre of anime/games/what-have-you called Widget. Its name comes from WJT, Wierd Japanese Thing. Let's say that that weirdness had to come from somewhere. It contains such things as Japan being created from blended sea-foam, gods being born from drops of water dropping from another god's face when he ritually bathed in a river to cleanse himself (the story goes that, after he defeated the Three Ugly Women of Hell his sister Izanami sent after him, and since he's been to Hell, Izanagi needed to cleanse himself. He bathed in a river. Amaterasu-Omikami, the sun goddess, was created from a drop the fell from his right eye, Tsukuyomi, the moon god, was created from a drop that fell from his left eye, and Susa-no-o, the god of storms, was created from a drop the fell from his nose), gods thinking the best prank ever is to drop skinned foals through the roofs of other gods' rooms, the sun hiding in a cave and only being lured out again via a combination of an erotic dance and a mirror, etc.
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You should play Okami. It's based on Japanese mythology, some very distorted and some hardly at all, and the art style is like brush paintings and it's my favorite video game and this is a run-on sentence.
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I have heard about Okami. However, I do not possess a console (my PS3 is long dead, buried in a closet, and not coming back), nor do I plan on buying one.
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Oh. That sucks. by
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There is at least one Let's Play of it on Youtube, though, if you want to have some sort of experience of it, but, well, the problem with LPs is that, while entertaining, you're not playing the game. Someone else is.
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Much of what we considered low humour is in there. by
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Read it if you have the time. How Amaterasu is convinced to peek out of the cave where she's sulking, Izanagi's and Izanami's marriage, Izanami's death, et cetera.
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That certainly sounds interesting! (nm) by
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I'm a big fan of Ancient Egypt. (nm) by
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I can't say I know too much about Egypt. by
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Feel free to monologue! I'd be interested in hearing about it. :D
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Oooh, which continent? by
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I'm obsessively into pretty much all history! But ancient history is especially fascinating. What region are you most into?
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Not very original, but... by
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... Europe, mostly. Minoans-Middle Ages type stuff.
This year we've been studying western civilization, and I tend to get absurdly involved in research projects, then feel the need to retell anything I read to my friends, whether they're interested or not.
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I'm more obsessed with mythology... by
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Especially polytheism of Norse culture.
Being a fantasy writer, though, I do have to study into workings of life from certain eras, so I guess you could say I HAVE to be obsessed with history. -
Makes sense. *nods sagely* by
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I end up doing a decent amount of historical research for writing projects as well. For my current one, I've had to look into autism, septicemic plague, the runic alphabet, Old Norse, and Viking woodcarving. (Looking at that, you'd think it was a more interesting story than it is.)
I'm not bad at Greek mythology, and I know a bit of Roman, but Norse isn't really my territory. So, uh... Do you have a favorite myth? -
Favorite myth is the tale of Sigurd. by
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And how Odin gained his powers, but mainly the tale of Sigurd.
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Yes! by
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I absolutely LOVE ancient mythology! (Almost even more than raspberry tea!)
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I'm not particularly obsessed with it, by
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but I'm perfectly happy to listen to people talk about it; it's very interesting. Especially when it has to do with mythology.
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Obsessive, no. by
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But I would like to think I know my Roman and Greek bits, if that's sufficiently ancient.
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Hmm... Do you know Emperor Trajan's story? by
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...I could smatter on for ages about that guy. :)
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Please do. by
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I'd love to hear about him, since I'm not that familiar with the era.
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Trajan: The Extremely Basic Summary by
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All right, here's the abridged and unedited version for your reading pleasure. I'm going off memory, so I don't guarantee perfection.
Basically, after the Punic Wars, Rome took Spain as a sort of victory prize and made it into a province. Spaniards were not well thought-of at the time. They had no rights, no status, and no respect from the Romans. It was into that situation that Trajan was born in 53 AD.
The emperor at the time, Domitian, was generally a poor ruler- arrogant, abusive of power, and an all around jerk. Despite this, he did initiate some reforms regarding provincials that allowed them to enjoy some citizen-only priveleges such as joining the army or participating in the local government. Trajan's father, a poor farmer, took advantage of the reforms and became a member of the province's council, but Trajan himself wanted no political power or personal glory, only to have contributed toward the glory of Rome and the wellbeing of his homeland. So he did the logical thing for a teenage guy and joined the army as a low-ranking legionary.
He served in the military for most of his life, from when he was about 12 to age 45. Trajan proved himself a talented and intelligent soldier, and after a short while was placed in the rear of the marching formation, with the most skilled fighters. The back were beasts. He slowly worked his way up the battle hierarchy, from a literally expendable footsoldier (the Spanish were exploited and used as decoys all the time in wars.) to a leader. Trajan's superiors began to take notice of him for his merit, unimpressive roots, and lack of concern for power. Being Romans, they appreciated a guy who wasn't constantly trying to stab distinguished gentlemen to death to get the throne. Soon Trajan found himself a tribune, which was a level of military command higher than a centurion and lower than a legatus, at the head of a maniple 160 men strong.
Following the Universal Laws of Comedy, just as things were working out nicely for Trajan, an esteemed commander in Germany named Saturninus openly revolted against Emperor Domitian, and more importantly, against Rome itself. Saturninus turned on the other legions stationed in Germany in a scandalous bloodbath just to spite the emperor.
The soldiers around the rest of the empire, including Trajan, were ordered to steer clear and let Saturninus run himself down. When he heard the number of casualties (I don't know them, but they must have been high.), Trajan broke ranks with his legion, driving his maniple north to stand up to Saturninus. Although almost comically outnumbered, Trajan and his men emerged victorious. As a reward for his bravery, Domitian promoted Trajan to the rank of commander, a pretty significant leap from tribune. In addition to the loyal soldiers who had fought under him against the rebela, hw was given an entire legion of elite soldiers. The legion soon became infamous, although few knew the name of its soft-spoken leader.
Trajan was chummy with his men. Kind, a bit shy, and a brilliant combatant and strategist, he knew each soldier by their nickname.
He employed creative strategies in warfare, and is known for having constructed an entire fake harbor at Ostia to fool enemies. But he never suspected that he'd rule not just one legion, but the entire Roman world.
When Trajan was in his 30's, Domitian was spontaneously assassinated. Okay, it wasn't that spontaneous. Nobody liked him. But he was the last of his dynasty.
Moving back a bit, the last time a dynasty ended, it was with Nero's suicide, which had resulted in one of Rome's goriest civil wars. Fearing that the same would occur with Domitian's murder, the Senate hurriedly selected a new leader who no Roman could possibly harbor ill will toward... Nerva, an elderly and childless politician.
Nerva was neither a poor nor a particularly eminent emperor. Picture Dumbledoor, add a toga, and you have a good idea of what he was like. Nerva spoke so wisely and cryptically that the Senate declared him mentally unstable. (They didn't get it, so he must be insane. Roman logic.)
Their theory was proven true, at least to their thinking, when Nerva announced who exactly he planned to name his heir. When the emperor first stated that he planned on adopting a son to succeed him, the Senate was delighted. They bombarded him with lists of famous politicians, rich generals, and, of course, themselves. But Nerva waved them away. He would have Trajan, and only Trajan, on the throne after himself.
Outraged, the Senators berated him, saying that a shy, little-known commander who was not even a proper citizen of Rome was unfit to lead. This was the last straw for them. Nerva would be metaphorically committed to the old folk's home in the morning.
Still he insisted, claiming that since Trajan did not expect nor desire power, he would not abuse it. That this commander had a greater integrity than any in Rome, greater than Trajan himself knew.
When the Senators did not relent, he declared Trajan governor of Germany, so that he would have the political status required of a future emperor, then died shortly thereafter of unspecified causes. *cough Senate cough*
A messenger was sent to Trajan, who was engaged in battle with the Parthians near the Danube River at the time, informing him of his adoption, new status, and of Nerva's demise. Immediately, Trajan's men sank to their knees and hailed him as emperor, but Trajan smiled sadly and told them to stand in an epic Aragornish fashion. He quietly told the messenger that he did not see himself as a capable politician, and that Rome deserved better than he. He would not go to the capital, and the Senate should choose a more competent diplomat to lead.
He then mounted his horse and ordered his legion to move out. Dejected, the messenger returned to Rome and relayed Trajan's speech to a gleeful audience in the Senate.
Several years past, and Trajan had celebrated his 40th year before word at last reached him in the form of a desperate peasant that the Senate had taken over the government, and that corruption and violence an tyranny had seized the empire under their twisted rule. This was the convincing Trajan needed. Setting aside his own misgivings and his hesitance to leave the life he'd led and loved for so long, he appointed a close friend the new head of the legion and rode hard for Rome, through several days and nights.
When he arrived, he was choked with terror. He had never seen a city so extensive, nor a throng so large. Yet he somehow mustered the courage to pass through the looming walls into the capital.
Unlike the emperors before and after him, Trajan's entrance into Rome had no parades or grandeur. He did not even flatter himself so much as to ride a horse, just walked, slowly and gracefully, down the crowded street with his head held high.
All the citizens of Rome gathered to watch his trek through the metropolis.
When Trajan reached the Senate building, he found the Senators waiting for him on the stairs with murder in their eyes. To their surprise, he knelt to the ground before them. His words, though they were never specifically recorded, were soft and respectful, and his disposition modest. Grudgingly, the Senate handed over the laurel crown, if only not to look bad in the eyes of the public.
I won't bore you with the specifics of his reign. Trajan is still known to be the greatest of all Roman emperors, the only one to survive his term with untarnished morals and a clean conscience. Through gentle words and the brilliant strategem only a military man could create, Trajan led the Senate back to the light and made a new empire out of Rome where trust and forgiveness took precedence over wealth and status. He connected the outer provinces to central Rome, expanded the territory to the fullest extent it would ever reach, and rebuilt the Forum, which had burned in the Great Fire during Nero's rule. Rome shone like a beacon in the Mediterranean.
And then things went wrong.
Trajan was 64 and terribly ill, and had been for years. No physician could diagnose him, but it was clear that the emperor's body was failing him, and that his time was running out. With their leader's guiding light flickering, the people grew wary and unsteady. The Parthians attacked once more, seeking vengeance for Trajan's earlier victories. Trajan himself rode out to meet them in Mesopotamia, and faught side-by-side with his old comrades even while his sword grew too cumbersome for him to lift any longer. During battle, he was stricken by a heart attack and had to be carried out of the fray on the shield of a fellow warrior. Those who saw this feared that the emperor was dead, and before anyone could deny it, the runor had spread like wildfire across the empire. In response, conquered areas stirred rebelliously. Trajan's homie, whom he had given command of the legion to, was killed in the New Parthian Wars defending his emperor and friend. Another plummet in health followed the news of the casualty, and Trajan was ordered to stay in bed. Soon he could not have done otherwise even if he had been of a defiant temperament.
This was the opportunity that the rising insurgency had been waiting for. A full-scale revolt erupted on the edges of the empire. Provinces burned. The Jews rebelled, first in Cyrene, then Alexandria, and then the entire enpire. Barbarians attacked, and the people of Rome were thrown into chaos without their beloved emperor to lead them.
Trajan knew the end was near. He confronted his half-cousin Hadrian, a younger politician, and named him his heir. He told Hadrian to inform the people that Trajan had left on a long journey from which he would likely not return. He said he would rather they cursed his name forever for abandoning them in a time of crisis than for them to be more divided by grief.
Trajan planned to steal away in the night and die quietly away from the eyes of the Romans. That night, he donned a peasant cloak and left the Senate building where he had been hospitalized. Halfway down the grand staircase, he crumpled to the hard marble of a fatal stroke.
A Roman woman filling a water pitcher at the nearby well saw him fall and carried him into her home, where he died shortly thereafter, only surfacing from his unconscious state long enough to say "I am sorry." No one is sure to what he referred.
Trajan had feared that sorrow would divide the people.
But on August 8, 117 AD, all of Rome joined in mourning.
And that's what saw them through those days.
Now I need to find out what the heck happened to Hadrian afterward. -
The Hadrian Verdict: Nothing Good by
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If anyone's interested, although this is an older thread, Hadrian built some small temples and such, which is all lovely, and constructed his famous Wall, then surrendered most of the territory Rome had won, wandered around the empire trying to look busy, executed quite a few Senators, became an early supporter of the gay marriage movement, went insane, became a crazy evil tyrant, killed everyone, and died at the age of 60.
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I just spend 45 minutes typing up a ten-page response... by
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...and my battery died and lost the post.
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*winces* by
on 2013-05-27 14:24:00 UTC
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Ouch. That sucks. I appreciate that you wrote it; don't feel you need to do it again just for my sake.
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Well... *ahem* (nm) by
on 2013-05-28 01:46:00 UTC
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^Where did THAT come from? by
on 2013-05-30 02:57:00 UTC
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Referring to the random message-less post of "Well... *ahem*" that I have no memory of...
I fear I've gone round the bend.
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I return from the Circle of Lemmings. by
on 2013-05-28 03:55:00 UTC
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- Leaves, Have But Only Two Sides by Shuckle
Legolas love story. Enjoy! Note* Only the Fellowship of the ring*
Morwen Sereg, daughter of an evil Elven lord, Dûrion-The-Dark. Crueler than most elves, no feeling of mercy graced her. But that all changed, how did a prince fall for this outcast, this exile, this rogue elf? The scorn of the elves? The Daughter of darkness itself?...And how did she ever fall for him?
My comment: Nine shall be the number of the counting...
2. Fell in love with a Prince by Faythe
This is a side of a story of Princess Arianna of Rivendell. She is the spitting image of her father, also she is the oldest sister of Arwen,
Elladan and Elrohir and she is the best friend of Aragorn. You will see the story from her point of view. Will she find love on this quest. . . . .
My comment: Agent Kai? Or whoever takes care of CAF's now? Please help Alice prepare for her aunt's arrival in HQ.
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I know this is an older thread but... by
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After slugging through the entire medieval torture ritual that was "Leaves, Have But Only Two Sides" (Even the title... sigh...), I have gathered a couple charges for whoever sporks it.
1.) The name Morwen, which was the name of a historical elven figure- when it is specifically stated that elves do not reuse names, and consider it blasphemous impersonation.
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Morwen is like Gollum with rabies.
Gollum does not have rabies, and I'm reasonably sure Morwen never hissed at him, as his part was cut almost- if not completely- 100% from the story.
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"~~~~~~TIME SKIIIIIIIP!!!!!!!!!!~~~~~~~" by
on 2013-05-31 03:22:00 UTC
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Somewhere in the universe, Acacia just had a conniption.
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Believe me, my agents heard her screaming. by
on 2013-05-31 07:06:00 UTC
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That was when this one Circle Sue dragged Boromir way out of character.
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*bangs repeatedly with large sledgehammer* by
on 2013-05-29 21:28:00 UTC
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If this is what fanfiction.net used to be like, I can see why the Original Series was written. With Circle Sues, every fic seems like it could be a troll, even though they often aren't. I swear, if/when I decide to ask for Permission...
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Here's a thought. by
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If a Sue is fully described (like in the profiles that start off these two Suefics), but the fic is in first-person perspective, do you still need a Crash Dummy or will the Sue naturally take form?
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You'd still need the Dummy. by
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The reason a Sue takes over the dummy isn't due to its appearance being undescribed, and in fact, the first-person Sues can be more likely than the third-person Sues to stop all the action to talk about the way they dress.
It's the first/second person shift that causes the Sue to attempt to take over an observer, and the Crash Dummy is there to be the most susceptible observer in the room.
I remember one mission where a possessed Agent started slowly taking on the Sue's characteristics as she was described. That didn't expel her from his body, and in fact ended up making the situation worse. The first-person Sues want to drive something around. -
I remember it being that way, just wanted to see what people by
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Hijacking this thread... by
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...to let y'all know I don't have regular Internet access for a few months, so I'll be bowing back a bit in terms of activity on the Board. There's a very slim chance I'll get Internet at my apartment, but it's got a horrid bathroom and I want to move when my sublease runs out, so I prolly won't.
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*Starts rolling on the floor laughing* by
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These have to be the most unbelievably cliched 'Sues I have ever heard of. One's an evil Elf who falls for Legolas, the other is a typical Arwen's Sister!Sue. Why this same pattern? It's so ridiculous that it ends up being funny.
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I have read Circle fics even more cliched than that. by
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There's one who gets run over by a car and lands in Middle-earth, then joins the Fellowship, then romances Legolas, then makes everyone speak in modern slang, then bears an extra ring of Speshul that is just as powerful as the One, and then runs over Canon roughshod some more.
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PFFFFF. by
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Oh, wait, you weren't kidding? Wow.
Why is it always Legolas? I mean, I know it isn't always, but why? Or do I just automatically find Sues that go after Elves, or something?
(By the way, if anyone ever finds a Sue that goes after Feanorians, preferably the older ones, and you don't want it, pass it on to me; I'd like one.)
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Because... by
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...Legolas is PURDY.
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But... by
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...he's not the only pretty boy in that film...oh, forget it. I don't understand fangirls all the time, and I don't think I really want to...
Also, hi! I don't believe we've been introduced (I've missed commenting on several welcome posts, and I think yours was one). I'm DawnFire (welcome to the Board, have some belated Gummyblee Elves and some Swiss Bleepolate--rather necessary for this fic). I've actually been wondering, a little: is it possible that you're my evil/dark twin? Only, we've got similar names, and yours has the word 'demon' in it.
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Fangirls themselves on the subject. by
on 2013-05-31 03:43:00 UTC
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http://www.council-of-elrond.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2628.html
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Odd. by
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Because for most other fandoms, it's a character who's hot but also has many compelling personality traits. A character with problems they can fix, like a woobie or an aloof or dangerous character. I mean, think about it.
Most popular Lust Objects
Harry Potter: Draco Malfoy, the bully who is somewhat pitiable. Also rather hot to some people.
Star Trek: TOS: Spock, emotionally closed off, somewhat aloof and condescending at times. Attractive.
Star Trek: TNG: Data, who combines woobie with emotionally detached. Not even that attractive, though "fully functional". His personality is interesting enough.
Percy Jackson: Nico di Angelo, son of Hades, something of an outcast and loner. Probably hot.
I feel like the Nostalgia Chick puts it better in her video about hot animated men: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/team-nchick/nostalgia-chick/34233-top-ten-qhottestq-animated-guys
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I just don't get it... by
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Why are fangirls so into the "Twoo Wuv shal change him!
I watched the Nostalgia Chick video and was stunned. As she said, when you ask guys who they lust over, it is fairly easy to tell why they do. Here is a hint: enlarged chest and hips. Ask gals though, and a sad, sad number fall in the "I
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After watching the Nostalgia Critic's video...this: by
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Because people like to feel needed.
Twoo Wuv shall change him, yes--and that will prove that he needs me, and loves me, and will never leave me. Deep, dark, and brooding? I'm the only one who can bring him out of it, who can help him be more and feel better, which, again, means that he needs me, and loves me, and will never leave me because of all that. Yes, Batman's been through a lot of girls--but if you can manage to be The One...then that's it, you're set for life. You'll always be needed; more than that, you'll always be wanted. And for people who don't mind bending canon a little (or a lot), that's worth putting up with some brooding, or even changing the character so that he can come out of it a bit. Or a lot. I don't know how many people who write this stuff would be willing to put up with it in real life, though.
Part of the reason people write Mary-Sues is because they want to be admired and wanted and needed. It just...doesn't always translate well, for many reasons: messing with canon and thereby throwing people out of the story, not having a main character that other people can relate to (add to that 'overdoing it and making the character ridiculously powerful and unreasonable and flawless'), showcasing the worst parts of modern society (women and men in the media, racism, sexism, etc)...I could go on. But a lot of Suethors are teenagers; they're going through a point in their lives where their bodies are changing, their minds are expanding, and they're often becoming very concerned with what their peers and society think of them. And most people want to be accepted, or admired, or loved, or wanted, or needed, or all of that, and sometimes the only way to be sure of getting that is to write yourself into your stories. I don't know to what extent I've done that myself; my full-blown Sue knew everyone, defeated villains, and gave moderate-to-evil bad guys snarky talking-tos. I'm no psychologist, but I think part of that was wanting to make the canon characters' lives turn out better, part was wanting to tell a dramatic story, and part was that whole pesky wanting-to-be-admired bit sneaking in subconsciously. (She didn't date anyone, if you're curious).
The reason the PPC works is that we're here to point out flaws in writing. We're here to point out how to write better, we're here to analyse bad writing and explain how it could be good. We're not here to stomp on people's daydreams, just...bring them down to earth a little, and teach how to couch them in such a way that they're relateable, enjoyable to read, and (preferably) teach/perpetuate worthwhile values. We're here, in a way, to coach the next generation of writers...if they're prepared to listen to our critiques. And it works because we're writers ourselves, and we've been through bad writing and Mary Sues and a lot of what goes into writing them--and because we understand why we could be better and how we could improve, and we did it. Some of us (a lot of us?) have even gone into Real World jobs that require writing skills or critiquing skills, and I'd like to think we're doing well.
But now it's time for me to stop writing down my deeper thoughts and go to lunch :)
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Someone put this into the FAQ for other people. (nm) by
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It might need to be rephrased a bit. by
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To generalize the more specific references and make it fit into the section we put it in, you know. Except for the reference about Batman. We can keep that in. Everyone knows about Batman.
It is quite a good speech, though.
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I feel like it'd be good for a... by
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...general statement. Maybe for like an age bit. I feel like it'd resound more for the younger writer whose first fic was sparked than anyone else.
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You guys are so sweet. by
on 2013-06-03 12:41:00 UTC
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I can revise it a bit, if need be. Depending on how it's used (you really want to use it? *glee*), of course.
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See Also: by
on 2013-06-01 14:56:00 UTC
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The Nostalgia Critic's video entitled "Why Is Loki So Hot?" It talks about the same thing from a slightly different perspective, and perhaps provides the answers you seek.
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That was awesome. by
on 2013-06-02 10:42:00 UTC
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That is, I love the Nostalgia Critic, but that was especially awesome. Especially as he might as well have been talking about why Sues go after Loki, and I just found a potential Loki Sue last night :(
But in terms of Legolas...Well, we don't actually get that much character development from him, y'know? I mean, yeah, pretty actor, good lines, and all that, but...much as I love the character, characters like Loki get more character development. So what gives?
Maybe it's the Elf thing...
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We mustn't overlook Evil!Thranduil in this. by
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See, Legolas isn't normally a woobie, but how many fics turn him into one by making his dad abusive?
As for the ones that don't... he's pretty, he's aloof, he's immortal, and he's an oh-so-special Elf. I guess that's enough for some. *shrug*
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I might have thrown up in my mouth a little... by
on 2013-05-31 07:09:00 UTC
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...at "alabaster skin" and "velvet voice".
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Theory seems unlikely... by
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...mainly because I currently lack information to make a statement to the contrary.
Chocolate is appreciated. Selective memory deletion...may be.
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Argh. by
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I may do something with the second one; I can't make it through more than a few chapters of the first one, but the second...come on, you don't put angels in M-e. The closest thing to angels there are Maiar, who most certainly do not have 'angel wings', and what the-- 'i got to go i am about to be ambushed by Orcs'? The heck? That's just sloppy. I mean, if she knows she's about to be ambushed, why's she writing about her backstory instead of preparing? And if she just plain has to go, she shouldn't know about the ambush--oh, I give up. Also, you have no idea how much I want a Supernatural-verse angel agent to send on this mission...especially as the whole 'angel-wings tattoo' is practically a trope in SPN fanfic, and it can be done really well.
This whole angel thing really bothers me, can you tell?
...I can't tell if she's calling Elrond 'father' in Hebrew, or thinks that he's the band ABBA. Either way, it's wrong, especially as she then calls him 'Ada' in the next sentence.
ARGH, SCRIPTFIC!
And what's up with this whole 'prayed to the gods and to our ancestors' and 'thank Gandolf and our ancestors'? I know several World One cultures (and several other continua, too) that use the ancestors thing, but Middle-earth Elves don't use it and never would. They have the Valar...who I don't think they actually spend much time praying to. In fact, I'm not sure there even *is* a prayer system in M-e. This Sue is so off it's...actually, it is kind of funny.
I think I'll take it.
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I'd love to have an SPN angel agent. by
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That'd be very, very awesome. Though, given recent events in the SPN 'verse, I think they'd have to be from a pre-Season 8 finale era, and somehow protected from those events should they return to a badfic set post Season 8.
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...I really do need to see the latest few episodes, don't I. by
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I just...they're going to break my heart, I just know it. On the other hand, I'm getting spoilers all over the place now, and I didn't actually want spoilers (you'd think otherwise, since I went on Tumblr, but...)
At least I have a vague idea of what you're talking about.
The funny thing is, I actually have a potential candidate. I don't know if you remember the Suemione mission ('Girl Out of Time') that Lily Winterwood did not so long ago, but there's this outtake I'm writing (okay, supposed to be writing; it hasn't actually made it past the original notes and pieces of dialogue yet) that deals with the idiotic de-Horcruxing ritual that gets used in a later chapter. (It mentions Archangels. And gets Uriel's name wrong. And names Harry Potter as Raphael's vessel, which is ridiculous and will result in a lot of teasing from Gabriel, because hello, Trickster!) But my point is that, due to the insertion of Ariel rather than Uriel, I...well, I'm bringing in the Little Mermaid, actually, but I was also thinking that Ariel the angel could show up too. Except most likely at a later point.
Although, lost SPN angel wandering the halls of HQ--er, another one who isn't Castiel, that is--well, it's pretty plausible, what with the shields being down. Also he/she'd probably just get portalled back to canon if it was during the Blackout, right? Hm...
But anyway, the point is: Ariel, the sometimes lion-headed personification of Jerusalem, could easily have an SPN version that appeared in HQ. I would almost rather find one in a badfic, though; while I love Jerusalem, it's...well, it's a bit awkward (for me, anyway) to take an angel and make an SPN version of them who then becomes an agent. That is, I think I'd like to recruit one from a badfic (although actually, this technically would be that.) On the other hand, if you know of a badfic with a, and I can't believe I'm saying this, bit character angel, well...send it over.
(In other words, I'm not completely sure about recruiting Ariel, or if it would even work out so well. Although, I'm really picturing this very serious-looking guy going around introducing himself and having people say, 'what, like the little mermaid?' and him just giving them this look, because he's been pronouncing it as a Hebrew name but they've just seen it on paper, or something, and they think they're going to be working with a mermaid. Could be hilarious. I guess we'll see how it works out...but if it does, or if I find a bit character to recruit, then I will send an angel agent after this fic. And will take s8 events into account, once I have a better understanding of what they are.)
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The season finale's not heartbreaking as such... by
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...just interesting, I suppose you could say.
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Does that increase the chance of heartbreak?
It probably would, really--OH. Wow.
So, I'm currently vaguely planning on giving this mission to Kozar and Dawn while they were still partners (way back when two months ago). However...what if Ariel didn't wander in during the Blackout, but earlier? And is currently (at the time of the mission, anyway) their trainee?
...is Ariel fallen, or do I have to figure out who his vessel is? I think I'm going with a male vessel, since the wikipedia article described him as 'he' a lot (and to further differentiate from the little mermaid), but...nah, he should probably not be fallen, right? Although...wouldn't he have to end up in ESAS so as not to be overpowered--
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...I should probably go think about this for a while.
Although, if you have any thoughts on this...Ariel ending up in ESAS, Ariel ending up in HQ before the Blackout, Ariel ending up with a partner who started life as a character replacement of Captain Jack Harkness...well, please, feel free to share them, because I think my brain's trying to give me the funny look to end all funny looks.
Of course, he could end up in HQ somewhere around the Blackout, and then end up temporarily partnered with Dawn for this mission (without Kozar, since he's already transferred), but...hm.
Well. What do you think?(The angels are in the Pyro Department!)
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I'd go with " she's calling him the band ABBA". by
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That way, the misnaming could result in Elrond suddenly starting to sing "Waterloo" while the Sue yammers on.
What are characteristics of Supernatural-verse angels? The way you're saying it, it implies that they can hide as humans, but will retain angel characteristics in any form, or have some sort of Tell that will let people know they're angels. Or maybe I misread something. I could look it up, but there's usually a much higher-quality explanation when I ask a fan about a species or organization than when I just go on Wikipedia.
Well, some breeds of Maia had wings, if I remember correctly, but yeah, calling them "angels" is just idiotic.
And I imagine Gandolf will be a pretty pompous mini-Balrog now that he's got people praying to him. No, wait, it's a Sue, so by Legal's standards she's not a person(that's how Legal justified the whole "exterminate the species with extreme prejudice" bit), but somebody praying to him at least. -
ABBA-singing Elrond. Scary. by
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Yep. Chibi!Elrond is now performing "Waterloo" live somewhere in the fandom village I have in my head. I don't know why he's chibi-fied, I just think chibi Elrond would be kind of cute.
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I only actually know ABBA songs from Mamma Mia... by
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...so he'd probably end up singing "Mamma Mia" or "Dancing Queen". Although "Waterloo" actually sounds familiar; I should look it up.
Well...there's a distinction between what they can do on the show and what they commonly do in fanfic. On the show, they can Fall in several ways. One is just losing their Grace piece by piece until they're completely human, but have all their memories. The other is to rip out their Grace and fall to Earth along with it. The angel gets reborn as a human, while the Grace lands somewhere nearby and grows into a tree. The angel may later regain their memories with some help, and then go find the tree and touch it, which gives them back their Grace (and leaves the tree where it is, if you're wondering.)
However, in fanfic, there's a common plot where someone, generally Castiel, has fallen, or is disguised, or is in a human AU, and has angel wings (generally black) tattooed on his (or her, sometimes) back. Occasionally, someone else has them. This is generally just symbolic; I don't think I've ever seen the tattoos become the wings (except maybe once where he got his Grace back and the tattoos disappeared? I'm not sure). But of course, this is just a fanfic trope. It happens to be used in a large enough number of goodfics that I like it and will protect it, even though it's not canon (although it's not too much of a stretch, I don't think). In canon, though, fallen angels don't have any tells, except for being able to hear the other angels talking if they're active on Earth at the time, and, if that's the case, remembering bits of information without knowing how they know. I'm not sure how much of a tell that is, though, unless you were to comb through mental hospitals.
And yeah, fans tend to be good sources :) Either that, or they'll know which wiki articles to direct you to.
Well, yes, some did--such as the Balrogs--but there's no such word as 'angel' in any language of Middle-earth. It just doesn't exist. The Maiar may be an angel equivalent of sorts, but they themselves are not angels, and should not be referred to as such.
Pff, Gandolf. Wow. And actually, Elrond has that line, and it's Elrond and Celebrian who pray to 'the gods and [their] ancestors', so...Gandolf's got Elves praying to him! Wowwww.
She keeps on calling him Abba and Ada. And there were some more things that I've now forgotten, thankfully for my brain and sanity...
I wonder who I should send after this.
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Interesting. by
on 2013-05-28 22:28:00 UTC
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So, does an angel in Supernatural becoming human when they fall relate to how the demons in Supernatural are once-human?
Furthermore, can a former angel, once he becomes human from the first method you mentioned, become a demon with all of the angel's memories?
Also, would an angel spawned through the second method, which apparently gives them some sort of angel-sensing power, be able to pass that power on to their offspring, or is it a characteristic of their soul or aura or some such and not actually their human body? Can they sense the other angels when they're babies or otherwise unable to know what an angel is, or is it conditional upon ability to recognize an angel?
Can they even detect the other angels if the reincarnated once-angel is part of a religion that doesn't believe in angels?
Does the tree carry the Grace, as in, it's inside the tree and is removed when the angel touches it, or is the tree itself a manifestation of the Grace?
What kind of tree is it? Old, young, tall, short, ash, birch, sequoia? Does it matter?
If two Grace trees pollinate each other, could an angel restore its status by touching the offspring of the two trees, or can an angel only be restored by a tree that was created at the same time that that angel turned human?
What if something happens to "their" tree, like it's cut down and used for firewood or made into paper? Would they need to rub the ashes/paper product on themselves to become angels again, or is the Grace connected to the tree lost permanently?
What causes angels to lose their Grace? Is it passive, caused gradually by doing things like spending too much time on Earth, or can Grace only be removed deliberately by another angel due to crimes or offense against the angelic hosts? I'm assuming that a group of Supernatural angels is called a host, since I've seen groups of angels called hosts before, but I'm not certain in this case.
I know. I did say it was stupid to call Maia angels, so we're in agreement there.
Wow, Gandolf's got some Elves praying to him, he was in that syndicated comic strip doctorlit showed the Board a while back, and I don't even know what else. He is so important right now. I imagine the other Gandalf-based minis are so jealous.
Didn't you say Kozar was DMS? Send him! If he has experience with Scandinavian pop music, that's a bonus! If not, then his partner should probably have found about it beforehand, or they won't be able to understand why Elrond starts singing about dancing queens or being defeated by love. Of course, it would be hard to understand why an Elf would start singing World One music in the first place, but as long as there's enough understanding to let Kozar go "What, what... what?", it's a success. -
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Long reply! I love those. Let's see if I can manage to answer all your questions...
Er...not entirely. Actually, not at all, I shouldn't think, beyond the concept of humanity being the middle-ground. Demons in Supernatural were humans who sold their souls. Those souls were then taken to Hell and tortured until they became demons. A fallen angel loses their Grace, and, presumably, gains a soul (not sure if that works for an angel who doesn't rip out their Grace--actually, I don't think it does--but I'm assuming that one that gets reborn as a human would, in fact, have a soul. It isn't mentioned, though), thereby becoming human. If there's any relation beyond humanity sort of being the step in between, I don't see it.
A former angel...wow. That's very interesting, and (I'm going to say this several times, probably) it's a question I've never considered. I would say yes, if the angel were to sell their newly gained soul (presumably) to a demon; however, I'm not sure an angel would be stupid enough, seeing as they know pretty well what goes on in Hell, and that demons are real, and that they'd become demons themselves if they were to make a deal. So technically, yes, a fallen angel could sell their soul (assuming they get one) and become a demon. The angel's memories would probably end up rather faded, though. However, again, I'm not sure one would be stupid enough. Then again, humans do tend to do crazy things when they're desperate, so...who knows?
...and, apparently, Pretzel's already answered all of this :) That'll teach me to look for replies before replying myself...
Maiar do not equal angels. I will say that as often as I can for cathartic reasons, because seriously? Tolkien deliberately kept Christianity more or less out of Middle-earth. Therefore, putting angels in...it's just ridiculous. You could make a case for adding them into C S Lewis' work (although you'd have to make them into an allegory of sorts) but not Tolkien's. It just doesn't work.
Gandolf is probably lording it over them, and they're plotting to overthrow him. *shakes head* Minis, what can you do.
Kozar, unfortunately, ended up in the DIC. However, he was previously in the DMS...this could be a retroactive mission of sorts, from when he was still paired with Agent Dawn? That way we can have Dawn starting to dance and sing along, while Kozar goes 'Klingon music makes much more sense than this rubbish' and charges for it. That could work...although, it would be nice if this fic was posted before March 2 of this year, because that's when Kozar was transferred.
*checks* Yesss, it was published in January! Awesome. So maybe Kozar and Dawn (and maybe trainee!Ariel as well) will take it on...
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On the subject of C.S. Lewis and angels... by
on 2013-05-30 00:33:00 UTC
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What about the star people, Coriakin and Ramandu (and technically Ramandu's daughter)? Couldn't they be seen as a Narnian allegory to angels, in a way?
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Or the eldila from C.S. Lewis's Space Trilogy. by
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Immortal, appear as giant pillars of holy light, one of their seven leaders is a blatant reference to Lucifer, with Earth serving as a prison for him and all of the fallen/bent eldila, which will only be purified after an apocalyptic war in the heavens between the bent ones and the remaining uncorrupted eldila... There were a few more I don't remmeber right now, but I'm not sure how many more links to traditional angels the eldila could have without just giving up and calling them angels.
Except when an army of angels fought an army of demons, they didn't blow up the moon and fight with a horde of aliens, so it's not 100%. -
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on 2013-05-29 00:51:00 UTC
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Answers to your questions, as far as I know, in order:
1.0) I don't think it really relates that way; angels in Supernatural were never human to begin with, so it's more like they're reverting to the form that they take-- their human vessels --when they manifest on Earth. Demons were once humans who had their souls marred and broken in some way, either through some sort of demonic crossroads deal or other acts of extreme violence.
1.5) We don't know; I don't think that's ever happened before.
2.0) Again, we don't know. The only angel we saw that ripped out her Grace and was reborn as a human was Anna (Anael), and she, as far as we know, never had kids. Then again, being stuck in an asylum probably didn't help that matter.
2.1) Unknown on the babies thing; Anna only started hearing 'angel radio' (Aka, the grand celestial chatter of bored angels everywhere) when another angel, Castiel, rescued Dean Winchester from Hell and proclaimed that he was saved, opening her psychic ears to what was going on.
2.2) Supernatural and religion. Right. That's... ridiculously complicated, actually. I mean, yeah, they play off the Judeo-Christian mythologies quite a bit inside the show, but it's more like cherry picked bits and pieces here and there rather than following a straight up recognizable dogma. There's also the fact that they throw in bits and pieces of other religions and mythologies-- reference 'Hammer of the Gods', episode 5.19, if you want more of an idea --all the time, so that's not much help.
3.0) It's a little of both. The tree is a physical marker of the Grace, but it doesn't disappear once the Grace is retrieved by someone.
3.1) Anna's Grace was a very large tree, but we've never seen anyone else's, so it's just a lone sample in canon. In fic, though, I've read a story where an archangel's Grace (that story's canon followed the seven archangel theory rather than the show's canon four) was actually the cause of the Great Barrier Reef. Grace = life force, so it makes sense that someone more powerful than a 'normal' angel would have a greater impact on nature.
3.2) Unknown.
3.3) Again, unknown, though I suspect the Grace itself would probably act as some sort of protective countermeasure; maybe its very presence would somehow influence people to leave said tree/organism alone?
4.0) Let's see... In canon, angels have lost their Grace due to the following:
a) Dying [which can be done only via another angel's sword or explosive means]
b) Angels abandoning Heaven due to the Judeo-Christian Apocalypse in an alternate timeline, leaving 2014!Castiel to slowly lose his powers
c) Forceful removal
d) A ritual closing off Heaven from angels (see the Season 8 season finale for more details)
4.1) Actually, we don't know much about the angelic hierarchy in the SPN 'verse, save for bits and pieces here and there. Obviously, the four archangels are the powerhouses of the whole thing (though that doesn't mean that they do a good job at it [those who are active in Heaven for any length of time, anyways]). We also know that most of the angels are arranged into garrisons, or groups of warriors. I say most, since I don't know about the cupids, or if the reapers can be classified as angels or just celestial beings. The garrisons are headed up by captains; Castiel was the captain of the garrison that broke into Hell and got Dean back.
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Oh, this does help. A few more questions, though. by
on 2013-05-29 01:09:00 UTC
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You mentioned human vessels for an angel to take. Is this like the Gnostic "divine being channeled into a human body" thing, or do angels manifest their bodies on Earth in a humanoid form most of the time?
You'd said that the Grace-tree would be around until and after the Grace is removed by "someone". Does this mean that any angel can use another angel's Grace-tree? If the latter, would it be possible for a human to become a pseudo-angel by absorbing a Grace, or is that not how a Grace works?
You'd said that events in alternate timelines led to Castiel losing his powers. Does this mean that every universe that the angels exist in connects with each other, and whenever a Heaven somewhere is destroyed or abandoned, it reflects badly on all angels everywhere, or was that a doomed timeline or a "something bad happened in the past/future and only the protagonists can fix it" scenario, and it was just the same Heaven as before, but affected by What Went Wrong? Or neither? -
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Does a human soul that gets turned into a Supernatural-verse demon retain the memories and habits of its former life? If so, does it retain it all (within reason, since they'd been demonized and that would probably cause a shift in personality and related points in the once-human's psyche), or only certain parts? What remnants of the former life are most likely to be retained?
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On Demons by
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I'm going to say a tentative yes to all your questions, bar the last one. I don't know if there are remnants of its former life that are most likely to be retained; some demons like to kill just for the heck of it, some don't. It varies from character to character.
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A few more answers by
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1.) Okay, so. In the SPN 'Verse, each angel can take a vessel. This is usually the body of a willing human who, due to various bloodlines, is able to host said angel. The main protagonists of the show, Dean and Sam Winchester, are the True Vessels of Michael and Lucifer, respectively. Castiel's vessel's name is Jimmy Novak; on one episode, Castiel temporarily used Jimmy's young daughter, Claire, as a vessel. Now, the key thing about angels is that they have to receive permission to use someone as a vessel. Demons, on the other hand, can possess anyone they like regardless of permission.
2.) As far as I know, no, another angel cannot use someone else's Grace construct. Each Grace is unique to an angel. That doesn't mean that the Grace can't be harnessed by someone else to use in, say, a spell, but it /does/ mean that someone can't just become an angel willy-nilly. Think of it as being biometrically locked to one specific angel.
3.) That timeline is... complicated. Referred to as the 'End-Verse', it's a possible Alternate Universe (according to Word of God from the producers) that showed what might happen should Sam say yes to being Lucifer's vessel. The can explain it better than I can, to be honest. -
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Was there a breeding program of some sort put into place by the angels to birth humans suitable to be their vessels, or is the ability to host angels just an hereditary quirk that shows up every once in a while, and an angel just takes advantage of it?
When an angel-turned-human reclaims its Grace, what happens to the human body? Does it remain on Earth as the angel's vessel, or is it destroyed as the angel assumes its power again? And if it is destroyed, does the restored angel need to find a new vessel to manifest again, or is it able to reform its old body?
Okay, so it was the End Alternate Universe's angels that lost his powers due to events in that universe, then? The angels of the most commonly seen timeline weren't affected?
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on 2013-05-29 03:44:00 UTC
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1.) There are certain bloodlines that are... Well, I suppose you could say artificially encouraged to converge in order to create a vessel. That's what happened with Sam and Dean: their parents each came from a bloodline that carried the potentiality to produce the archangels' true vessels, and, in a rare moment of actually working with one another rather than against, Heaven and Hell both did a bit of machination to ensure that John and Mary met, married, and had suitable kids. Otherwise, I think it's just best fit, to be honest.
2) Good question. For Anna, her human body was destroyed when she regained her Grace, but later a copy was made to act as her vessel.
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In terms of that alternate reality... by
on 2013-05-29 09:44:00 UTC
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...if you haven't seen Tumblr, you should: there's a conspiracy theory of sorts floating around that the show's still heading towards the Endverse (because of Lucifer's line of 'whatever choices you make, whatever paths you take, we will always end up here', or something like that.) So basically, Sam gets a haircut? Oh no! We're heading towards the Endverse. Er...I can't remember the rest, actually. But it's quite the theory.
Also, a clarification in terms of angels who get reborn as humans: I believe in that case a vessel is sort of created for them, in a way; they don't actually seek out a fetus/about-to-be-born child and get permission. I'm not sure it can even really be called a vessel, beyond it being a sort of human form of the angel without their Grace (and, generally, without their memories, too).
Also, a question for you, Pretzel: do you think fallen angels get souls? I mean, they've become human, so...it might make sense. However, if they do, what happens to the soul when they regain their Grace?
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Mm, I think it's more a conservation of energy by
on 2013-05-29 09:55:00 UTC
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After all, souls are energy-- or at least, given that Cas once tapped into Bobby's soul to help rejuvenate himself a little, as far as I can tell --so I think that the Grace would eventually dwindle down into an approximation of a soul, assuming you're talking about angels who're cut off from Heaven rather than ripping out their Grace. For example, we know Cas slowly but steadily lost a good chunk of his powers over the course of the time he was cut off from Heaven, both in the 'correct' timeline and in the Endverse. However, even in the Endverse, he seemed to retain a few of his heavenly gifts-- being able to know instantly that past!Dean wasn't 2014!Dean, and so on --so I don't think it's an equivalent exchange.
As for regaining Grace as a fallen angel who's ripped it out, we do know that Anna's human body was basically destroyed because of Grace-overload. I think it's rather like overloading a circuit: put too much power in and it blows. Perhaps that much Grace obliterated the soul, and then rushed in to fill the void. Alternatively, since Anna was able to hear 'angel radio', maybe a small amount of Grace remained within her, acting as a sort of pseudo-soul until she got her powers back. -
Hm, interesting. by
on 2013-05-29 09:56:00 UTC
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I think I'd buy the idea of a piece of Grace remaining to approximate a soul; it sounds pretty likely.
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Also, the first Sue... by
on 2013-05-28 08:21:00 UTC
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...what in the name of sanity is she doing to the Elvish language?! Is she actually mixing Sindarin and Quenya?
I mean come on, she knows of Tom Bombadil - WHY IS SHE STILL WRITING THIS? -
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I do believe I asked if her swords were actually what she called them.
I guess I can chalk that up to "nope." -
No, they mean what they mean. by
on 2013-05-28 08:35:00 UTC
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Thing is, Isilmë is a, er, princess of Númenor. So the Sue just totally named her sword after a princess. I'd probably be vaguely offended if someone named their gun 'Lily Winterwood'... you know?
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But what if I shot Sues with it? by
on 2013-05-28 08:50:00 UTC
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Theoretical:
"Hey, SC! You appear to have a new minigun! What's it called?"
"Why, my dear Mary Sue, it's called The Winterwood!"
"...Why?"
BREEEE-BRRRRRATATATATATATATATATATATATAT
*Mary Sue is reduced to goop*
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...As long as you're killing Sues, and not a Sue... by
on 2013-05-28 08:52:00 UTC
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I'll be fine.
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'S why it's a minigun. by
on 2013-05-28 08:54:00 UTC
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Industrial strength Sue-perior Army destruction.
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It also sounds like a rifle name, too. by
on 2013-05-28 08:56:00 UTC
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The preferred weapons of the Winterwood Rangers.
(...that was this long-ago joke about me having an army of rangers on Tumblr...) -
the Winterwood by
on 2013-05-28 22:46:00 UTC
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Mind if I give the minigun a nod and a wink in my (theoretical) PPC story? Nothing major, just a comment about a partially disassembled Winterwood lying on a table in the PPC Armory...
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Awwwwwww yessssss. (nm) by
on 2013-05-28 22:47:00 UTC
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Lily, what if we gave one to Jacques? by
on 2013-05-29 09:52:00 UTC
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I bet ESAS could use a minigun of that power...or maybe they'd get the Winterwood 2.0s...
XD
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Or instead of the Cyber gun in the Necromancer mission, by
on 2013-05-29 09:59:00 UTC
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It would be a Winterwood 2.0?
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Ooh, maybe. by
on 2013-05-29 10:13:00 UTC
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That could be cool.
I'd add 'what if he took one along', but he technically isn't allowed to use it in 'Rings canon anyway, so there's no point.
Yeah, let's have him either using a Winterwood 2.0 or have him using the anti-Cyber gun while a Winterwood 2.0 or two lie on a table nearby for him to use next...
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Could you edit that into the doc then? by
on 2013-05-29 10:15:00 UTC
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Also, Outhra's looking for you. You've got lots of writing to do for the Sue Lord mission.
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Sure, which version do you want in there? by
on 2013-05-29 15:35:00 UTC
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Sorry about that--I've been a bit busy with uni stuff this week. I have to choose courses and stuff. I did go and edit and fill in some scenes, though; I hope that's at least a good start.
Outhra, if you're reading this, remember that you can email me :) I don't bite, except on my particularly annoyed were-raptor days, and some bleepolate generally takes care of that.
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Maybe the Winterwood was on a table next to the Cyber gun. (nm) by
on 2013-05-29 16:04:00 UTC
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Suggsting to use "weinterwood Rangers" for... by
on 2013-05-28 16:35:00 UTC
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The impromptu team who fought Slorp. With the Doctor as their honorary leader.
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*Winterwood Rangers by
on 2013-05-28 16:35:00 UTC
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Damn, now I have to chase a mini-Lily!
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Would that be their name in-universe? by
on 2013-05-28 16:58:00 UTC
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Because, if it was, they'd be named that by someone, for some reason. Is there a presence known as Winterwood in the PPC universe somewhere, rather than just one of the authors of said universe? I don't think so, but I could be wrong.
Of course, if it's their name out-of-universe, just on the Board, then there wouldn't be anything holding back people that decided to call them the Winterwood Rangers.
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Well, by
on 2013-05-28 17:10:00 UTC
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I was actually a character in that OFUIAHF piece but I was the antagonist so...
I think it'd be cool for it to be an out of universe reference. Mostly because I want the Doctor heading my army. -
Oh, yeah, I remember that. by
on 2013-05-28 19:51:00 UTC
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In fact, Agent!Sergio and Corolla were there during the first IAHF Mary Sue Invasion. However, I thought the culprit was called Lilith Wydenbrooke...
And, if your army has the Doctor as a leader.. where do I sign?
(Speaking of him, I think he would be able to come up with such a name just because he thinks it is cool. He's the Doctor, he can get away with it.)
So... The Winterwood Rangers are:
The Doctor (leader)
Claire Oswald
Eledhwen Elerossiel
Christianne Shieh
Eleanor (TCDA-verse Eledhwen)
Christelle (TCDA-verse Christianne)
Morgan
Sergio Turbo
Nikki Cherryflower
And possibly other people like the cafeteria workers who managed to rig the containment field and those at DoSAT who managed to restore power to HQ. And obviously posthumous honorary membership to those who died while trying to contain it. -
No, there's an OFU for IAHF where I was the antagonist. by
on 2013-05-28 21:31:00 UTC
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Well, to sign up you just gotta sign here... /hands papers.
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I see. by
on 2013-05-29 12:47:00 UTC
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*signs papers and hands them back to Lily*
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That should totally be a thing. by
on 2013-05-28 08:59:00 UTC
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Like, seriously, Winterwood Rangers should totally be kept around for future missions.
Kind of like how my White Mages in Mages' Travels are church militant badasses.
It started out as just a joke I made for an MST. -
Like Aragorn, only more snowed-in! by
on 2013-05-28 09:02:00 UTC
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I imagine they like gatecrashing Suvian Christmas Fluff-fics very often.
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More snowed-in, and GUNS. by
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Or New Guardian ROTG fics.
I finally found one of those... Mommy, why do the words hurt me, you said they were my friends... -
Let's sic those Rangers on this Sue. by
on 2013-05-28 17:23:00 UTC
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Her name is Liliana Ice Vixen Winterwood and she talks like a hyperactive five year old, is a Veela, and has enough bad grammar and spacing to make anyone faint. -
Oh my... by
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"Her name is Liliana Ice Vixen Winterwood"
NOPE
THAT'S IT
SOUND THE SONIC SCREWDRIVERS
SIC HER, FELLOWS
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Oh, and to be helpful: by
on 2013-05-28 06:47:00 UTC
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A while ago I found a "Bilbo's sister" Sue on Quotev, bad enough a mini is spawned in the very first sentence. I was thinking on going after it for the mission after my current WIP, but if anyone wants it or would like a look, it's here: http://www.quotev.com/story/3035088/A-Hobbit-and-A-Dwarf/
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Ah, Biblo, the bookish mini-Balrog. by
on 2013-05-28 06:57:00 UTC
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I see him quite often on the Pit these days.
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How does he not incinerate the books? (nm) by
on 2013-05-28 06:58:00 UTC
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Fireproofing. A lot of it. (nm) by
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Bilbo coats everything in asbestos. XD (nm) by
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A new business venture, inflammable book covers. (nm) by
on 2013-05-28 13:37:00 UTC
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I'd invest in it. by
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I'd invest ONE MILLION DOLLARS!
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But if the pages remain flammable... by
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It would almost be, what's the phrase, insult to injury if someone's books caught fire.
Bookshop Owner: No! A horrible fire resulting from my assistant's careless use of the coffee maker has burned up every book in the store! I'm ruined!
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Oh yeah, forgot about that. by
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We also need fireproof gloves and papers.
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...Yeah, that would suck. (nm) by
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Interesting! Thanks for the finds. by
on 2013-05-28 06:44:00 UTC
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I might have a look at the first one next I'm in need of mission material.
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GOOD HEAVENS. by
on 2013-05-28 05:58:00 UTC
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So I go home from watching the Great Gatsby (I don't know about you, but I liked it well; the modern music was a subtle prod at turning the entire film into a modern cautionary tale imo), and being Morbidly Curious, I looked up Gatsby on the Circle and I found at least two Sues.
Heart of gold
In which the Sue is a blatant slut shamer who shamelessly bashes and upstages Daisy. I mean, Daisy isn't exactly the greatest character ever but THIS SUE MAKES GATSBY FORGET DAISY INSTANTANEOUSLY. I DON'T - WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN -
(Can we run her over with Gatsby's car? Please?)
Million Dollar Man A Jay Gatsby Love Story
Okay, really, this one isn't as awful as the other but based on the title and the summary we've got Gatsby forgetting Daisy... again. And we've got, according to the end notes, the Sue messing around with Nick as well as Gatsby. And then we've got more Daisy bashing.
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Callaway? Good grief. by
on 2013-05-28 16:18:00 UTC
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Also, modern music? ...I hope it works well. The period music was my favorite part of the old movie, besides the dancing.
I don't like the first Sue. At all.
Also, for both of them:
THE FIRST RULE OF GREAT GATSBY FANFICTION IS ONE THAT SHALL NOT BE BROKEN SAVE ONLY IF IT BE FOR PARODY, AND IT IS THIS: THOU SHALT NOT CAUSE JAY GATSBY TO FORGET, IGNORE, OR OTHERWISE LEAVE DAISY BUCHANAN, ESPECIALLY NOT INSTANTANEOUSLY; AND, SHOULD YOU BE DETERMINED TO BREAK THIS RULE, FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE GIVE IT A SLOW BUILD AND LOGIC AND DEAL PROPERLY AND IN GOOD TASTE WITH THE FACT THAT GATSBY IS IN LOVE WITH THE IDEA OF DAISY AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN. AND, FOR THE LOVE OF CANON, DO NOT MESS UP HISTORICAL DETAILS AND, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, DEAL PROPERLY WITH THE BREAKING OF GATSBY AND DAISY'S ROMANCE. OR, BETTER YET, JUST DON'T DO IT. THE ENTIRE PLOT HINGES ON HIM BEING IN LOVE WITH HER AND REFUSING TO GIVE HER UP.
Seriously. I've read the book twice, both times for school, and saw the old movie, and while I didn't particularly love the book, breaking up Gatsby and Daisy without logic and plausibility and logic is just stomping on everything that F. Scott Fitzgerald was trying to show through that book (or at least a major part of it).
...why am I being protective of characters from a book I didn't actually enjoy reading all that much?
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It's Baz Luhrmann. by
on 2013-05-28 17:07:00 UTC
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He made pop songs a part of a turn of the century drama/comedy piece set in a French brothel, and it worked.
I know some people thought it was jarring/hated it, but I personally thought it really underlined how much Gatsby's parties looked like Vegas nightclubs in the film, and it just lent more of a cautionary tale sorta feeling to the film. -
Hm. by
on 2013-05-29 10:15:00 UTC
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I think I'll just have to see it, and reserve my judgment until then. I've been hearing good things; it's just, well, the 20s music was my favorite part of the old movie.
Then again, if they can make it work...well, whatever. Judgment: reserving it.
~DF -
Mini-West Egg? by
on 2013-05-28 08:14:00 UTC
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Also, having read the Great Gatsby, Daisy really wasn't that bad a character.
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Mini-Yellow Cars? by
on 2013-05-28 08:17:00 UTC
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I liked Daisy well enough, even though my teacher hated her. I thought Carey Mulligan did her well in her portrayal - the bit when she mentioned her daughter being a fool seemed to hint that Daisy really wasn't a fool, either.
I sporked the first one here. -
Mini-Tom Buchanan! by
on 2013-05-28 08:30:00 UTC
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Nah, probably wouldn't work.
Followed the blog on my tumblr. As an aside, if you find yourself winding why one of my blogs is random nonsense, it's because it's purely about the odd stuff Kitty and I say on the weekends, when making sense is not a priority. -
Ack, no. Mini-Wilsons? by
on 2013-05-28 08:32:00 UTC
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Though honestly I think I prefer Mini-Eckleburg Eyes. They JUDGE YOU.
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While we're talking about the creation of mini species... by
on 2013-05-28 14:23:00 UTC
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Does anyone have a good idea for Adventure Time minis? I'm planning a few missions to that continuum, and I have a lot of possibilities, but I don't really know which one of them would work. If anyone else has any better ideas, don't hesitate to say.
So far I have these as potential mini species:
mini-Lich
mini-Lemongrab (or Lemonjon)
mini-BMO
mini-Magic Man (I'm leaning toward eliminating this one altogether, as it strikes too close to mini-Discords to me)
mini-Flambo (again, probably not, since how many tiny fire creatures do we need)
mini-Rainicorn
mini-Jiggler
mini-Lub Glub
mini-Crystal Man
mini-Ice-o-pede
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You have my vote for Ice-o-pede. by
on 2013-05-28 18:32:00 UTC
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It's a...
*sunglasses from the heavens*
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Why not mini yellow cars? Mini balrogs can drive it. (nm) by
on 2013-05-30 03:18:00 UTC
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Now the question is, can Balrogs drive? by
on 2013-05-30 03:53:00 UTC
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Without incinerating the car, that is?
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Hey, if the Ghost Rider can pull it off... by
on 2013-05-30 17:20:00 UTC
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I mean, he's really just a small, psychotic, angelic-force-turned-bad Balrog, when you get down to the bare bones of it.
He's covered in fire, a Balrog is covered in fire...
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They judge you like Dredd? by
on 2013-05-28 08:51:00 UTC
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Or just, in general?
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They judge you like the Moose in Wise Blood. by
on 2013-05-28 08:52:00 UTC
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Or something. :'D
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They judge you like THE INQUISITORS OF THE CRIMSON FIST! by
on 2013-05-28 08:56:00 UTC
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Shout out to Riese, there.
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If you can pull up copies of both... by
on 2013-05-28 04:46:00 UTC
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That I can actually copy and edit in a word document, that is...
I will only gladly take both these suckers and MST them.
Like seriously.
(I put my email in the bar to make it easier on me, since all my word documents have stupid word count limits, and I therefore have to do this in chunks.) -
*checks* Blast; I cannot find them anywhere else. by
on 2013-05-28 05:22:00 UTC
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You can get the text from the page source, though.
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That's what I meant. by
on 2013-05-28 07:47:00 UTC
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But I can't access the page source on my phone, is the thing, hence I need somebody to do it for me.
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I have the Princess Arianna one formatted. by
on 2013-05-29 03:08:00 UTC
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Can you please give me your e-mail?
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Sure. by
on 2013-05-29 16:48:00 UTC
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Email is in the subject bar. My username should be red.
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...Or not, apparently. by
on 2013-05-29 16:52:00 UTC
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*sigh*
Email is sfclemons@gmail.com
Secondary is heofthespecs@gmail.com
Take your pick. -
Sent. (nm) by
on 2013-05-30 13:27:00 UTC
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On a related note... by
on 2013-05-28 04:51:00 UTC
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"And will shine blue when Orcs are near"
I'm sorry? I thought Sting was unique in this regard? Orcrist sure didn't shine blue, and it was intended for killing orcs and such. Legolas' knives dont ever shine blue. In fact, I don't recall any other occurence outside of Sting where an elf-crafted blade shone blue in the presence of orcs.
Guh. Quotev makes their Sues so painfully obvious, it burns my eyes. -
No, I think all Elf blades shine blue. by
on 2013-05-28 06:02:00 UTC
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Or at least all Elf blades forged in the First Age in Gondolin do.
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Right, and this my point: by
on 2013-05-28 07:46:00 UTC
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How many of those swords could possibly still be found that she has TWO?
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Yeah, the probability of a Sue having... by
on 2013-05-28 07:50:00 UTC
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...Gondolin-forged magic glowing swords is really damn low unless she knows about Gondolin and stuff.
Still, all three of the Elf-swords in the Hobbit are supposed to glow blue; they don't in the films because PJ's an idiot. -
Or maybe he forgot that Orcrist was supposed to as well? by
on 2013-05-28 07:57:00 UTC
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Hey, development hell can cause that. The Hobbit WAS a pretty big film, after all.
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True, but it was rather explicitly stated in the book. by
on 2013-05-28 07:58:00 UTC
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Meh, as long as Sues don't start claiming Speshul Swords that glow blue, I'll be - oh.
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Noticed a conundrum, there? :p by
on 2013-05-28 08:04:00 UTC
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Also, what are the odds that the words she named her swords are ACTUALLY what they mean?
I'm just gonna hinge a bet and say they aren't.
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Not sure if anyone's interested in the 'verse, but... by
on 2013-05-29 02:10:00 UTC
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I was looking through Lucky Star fanfics (which mostly consisted of Konata x Kagami slash) when I came across this little thing, complete with a cheesy name:
Love is Hard
The canon characters are so consistently flat and OOC that they would break a CAD instantly, the AU is... weird (why the hell is Konata a spy, without explanation?), the writing is painful to read... and he's done 2k words over the course of over a year. ._. -
Oh god... by
on 2013-05-29 20:01:00 UTC
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...Something else appeared just today.
Konata goes to college season 1 part 1
133 words, and I think he's taking it seriously. We don't even know who's saying the two lines of dialog. ._.
Oh, and he's oblivious to the fact that the canon goes further than high school, but that can be excused as it's where the anime ends. -
2K... In a year? by
on 2013-05-29 04:14:00 UTC
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I write 2K in an HOUR.
This guy/gal is just lazy if he/she is still writing the fic...
And all I really remember about Lucky Star, having never been a fan, is that Konata being a pro gamer. So... I guess somebody's been playing Splinter Cell too much lately? -
Hm.... by
on 2013-05-29 14:15:00 UTC
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Speaking of word counts.
Which is better, more content in a few words, or a longer story?
Personally I find more content to be better, since I tend to write like that and expect people to be able to read between the lines and not have to be spoonfed every last detail. -
Re: Hm.... by
on 2013-05-29 17:42:00 UTC
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Personally I think there's a golden ratio of content to words in there somewhere. It's uncommon, but I have seen a fic that went far in the other direction; IIRC it had a couple hundred thousand words across about 30 chapters, and nothing much really ever happened.
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I have an MST going right now... by
on 2013-05-30 01:11:00 UTC
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Of a Lost Odyssey fic that's 20,000 words and one chapter.
Or so you would think, until you read the story and discover that, aside from an Evil God!Stu, the whole cast dying in the first part of the story, one of I assume a few Mary Sue OCs and a pretty stupid plot, the whole story is written in a single page.
You know how ff.net has a separate page for each chapter that you can select from a drop-down menu, right?
The guy posted the whole story in a single document. Multiple chapters. Each badly labled, but there.
And it's supposed to be a suspenseful comedy, but i've pretty much only been laughing at how easy it's been for me to debunk the plot so often, and there's no suspense when you can accurately guess after TWO PARAGRAPHS what the villain will do next.
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I try and go for a happy medium. by
on 2013-05-29 16:41:00 UTC
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I can pull 2K in an hour if I can explain my story easily beforehand. If I'm still working out the details, it usually takes me a bit longer, because I like to leave my readers with a sense that they know what's going in.
But it never takes me a year to do that, good grief. If I'm spending a year or more on a single chapter's worth of content, then odds are it's a huge project that I'm working on and I want to make sure everything is top notch and polished for my quality of writing.
From the sounds of it, this guy/gal is just scrapping words together when they feel like it. -
Quality is always best, regardless of quantity. by
on 2013-05-29 15:54:00 UTC
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However, beware: it's one thing to expect your readers to pay attention and keep up, and another thing entirely to expect them to read your mind. Striking that balance of giving just enough information is tricky. There's always going to be someone who sees right through you and someone who just doesn't get it, so you sort of have to guess where the majority of your audience falls and write to them, all the while trying not to come off holier-than-thou on the one hand or condescending on the other.
I bring this up because I also expect people to keep up, and finding that balance has been a struggle for me, so I know what I'm talking about. {= P My rule of thumb these days is that if I want people to know something, I have to tell them. If I don't, then I shouldn't.
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That's generally the route I go as well. by
on 2013-05-29 16:45:00 UTC
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It almost turns into an infodump at times for me; none of my huge stories are published yet in any form, but the mental and physical notes I've been keeping are either encyclopedia-esque or rather vague, depending on what the notes are about.
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Sludge from the Pit by
on 2013-05-29 21:29:00 UTC
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On a recent trawl/trolling visit, I dredged up several rather appalling 'stories', here presented for your-well, approval might be too strong a word. My computer is acting up and refusing to do links, so I'm afraid you'll have to resort to copy/paste.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9328749/1/The-truth-about-Smaug-the-terrible
This one is actually fairly well written, if it weren't for the Sue.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9333202/1/Lady-of-the-Flame
And...I'm really hoping this one is a troll.
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Hijacking this thread to post some Circle Star Trek fics. by
on 2013-05-30 05:09:00 UTC
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Seeing the pon farr discussion made me look up some Star Trek fics on the Circle of Lemmings. The results were worse than I'd been expecting. I should lower my expectations.
http://www.quotev.com/story/3181091/Light-With-You-Star-Trek-fan-fic
An annoying Kirk's Daughter!Sue joins the Enterprise crew.
http://www.quotev.com/story/3184400/The-Khan-Man/
Kirk's little sister, McCoy's assistant, and Chekov's Twu Wuv helps fight terrorists. Also including a Suethor's horrible attempts at Chekov's accent.
Oh, and a LOTR fic. With the first-ever fox demon Sue, different-colored text, awful grammar, and rampant line-stealing.
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Ahh! Why are they speaking in different colors?! (nm) by
on 2013-05-30 20:52:00 UTC
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*winces* by
on 2013-05-30 17:22:00 UTC
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Chekov's accent...Brings back bad memories of my early fanfic writing attempts. I have a friend who's a Chekov fangirl, and I wrote her a story as a gift. (I have since deleted it off of the Pit.)
But ow ow ow. Lily runs a Tumblr blog for Quotev Sues, maybe I'll spork this one. -
I have another one! by
on 2013-05-30 21:06:00 UTC
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I know, I know, all Circle Sues are already awful, but this one just... I don't even.
Offenses include creation of "anti-blood", creation of a race of ridiculously unsubtle antagonists that are named after a candy company and can use the Force, causing Data to use text-speech and Worf to use nicknames, and, well, just read it.
I cannot stop laughing at "anti-blood", though. They treat it like it's some sort of medical substance, but that name... is it like some sort of anti-matter that only reacts when it's bled on? That would make it the worst medical supplement ever!
Doctor: No, why did you bring in the anti-blood!
Assistant: But... it's for medical purposes.
Doctor: Not here it isn't! No, no, she's bleeding all over it!
(room explodes)
Okay, that wasn't very funny, but it's hard for me to come up with something to say when I can't stop laughing at what I'm trying to make fun of. -
I thought it might be the name of some sort of organization. by
on 2013-05-31 03:39:00 UTC
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"We are the Anti-Blood Society, and we are against all living things possessing blood! We must drain the world of its blood and make it pure!"
That made them sound sort of like vampires. Oh, well.
And what's with all the Doctor Who/Star Trek crossover pictures? The fic has nothing to do with Doctor Who! Does not compute!
Aside from that, in the last chapter, and I quote:
"Oh thanks" Data shocked
So, how does one shock? It's easy to get shocked, but the only thing I can think of for "shock" other than that is... shocking corn. Which is not, as far as I can tell, what the author meant, because corn is most likely not available on the Enterprise. -
I think you shuck corn, actually. by
on 2013-05-31 15:46:00 UTC
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Or crack it, or pop it if you're feeling really adventurous and have some oil and salt handy.
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Are they recruiting? by
on 2013-05-31 12:12:00 UTC
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I'm pretty sure you'd find someone willing to sign up for that society in HQ.
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They are now. by
on 2013-05-31 15:30:00 UTC
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Feel free to sign people up. (I may put an agent in the Anti-Blood Society if/when I get Permission. Hmm.)
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Electricity, of course. by
on 2013-05-31 10:33:00 UTC
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Data, being Data, undoubtedly knows Morse Code (obsolete though it is); he simply found a loose electrical cable, jammed one end onto the other person's skin, and flicked the power on and off to signal --- .... - .... .- -. -.- ...
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*headdesk* by
on 2013-05-31 01:15:00 UTC
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Not another Data luster. Not another one.
You see, when I first discovered I was a Data luster, I thought I was completely alone, that it was probably some incredibly strange fetish or something. Y'know, he's an android. Not all that physically attractive or anything. Not a magnet for fangirls.
I went online, and found that that was completely not the case. And for a while, I was happy.
Until I saw this. It was the first Suefic I'd ever read.
And I vowed death upon Mary Sues, and hatred for Data lusting Sues, because they make no effing sense. His attractive qualities are in his personality, so if you make him OOC or character replace him, you completely ignore his ENTIRE appeal. At least with OOC!Legolas he's still pretty. Data lusters, I just don't understand.
Although, in a way, I have to thank the Data/OC fics. I wouldn't have found the PPC if I hadn't developed my hatred of Sues that way, and I probably wouldn't have written as much fanfiction if I didn't see a dire need for non-Sue Data fanfiction. There was a point when you could filter through Data on FFN and you'd either get Suefics or my fics. (Not anymore, it's all Data/Yar. As if that's any better.)
Long story short: I have seen this before, and it still depresses me. -
Look at all those in-fic capitalisation errors, too... by
on 2013-05-30 22:35:00 UTC
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I detect a lot of random people wandering around, such as Mr 'Everyone Was'. Ow.
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So, I read through that first fic, and I have some comments. by
on 2013-05-30 10:56:00 UTC
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And concerns. Definitely concerns.
Begin transcribing...now.
Alright. So this 'Jenifer' character says she's sixteen, and that Kirk adopted her (!!!) when she was ten.
16-10=6
Therefore, she was adopted six years ago.
James T. Kirk was born in 2233, and the Battle of Vulcan--which is when this fic starts, more or less--was in 2258.
2258-2233=25
Therefore, Jim Kirk is twenty-five years old in this fic.
Furthermore:
25-6=19
Therefore, Jim was nineteen years old when he adopted Jenifer.
Please explain to me why Jim Kirk would adopt a ten-year-old kid when he was nineteen. Then, please tell me who let him do it (specifically, which court of law). Genius-level repeat offender, remember? He's not responsible! No version of Jim Kirk at nineteen is particularly responsible! No, not even the TOS version! He's not responsible, and you can't have him adopt a ten-year-old kid at nineteen, because he would be proven unfit for guardianship pretty quickly, he still lives with his mom (presumably, and more or less, since she's probably off-planet), and I don't see why he'd suddenly want to take responsibility for a ten-year-old (not that we're given a reason...)! This is insane.
(Why yes, I was able to do those calculations from memory. The only thing I didn't remember was the dates, but when I looked them up, it turned out I had him at the right age. Isn't memory wonderful?)
Also, Spock is ridiculously OOC after only a few lines (I may have yelled 'character rupture' and face-Kindled when I read it. It's probably more along the lines of possession, though...probably). And Uhura would NOT say that the adoption, and I quote, "makes total sense". Not EVER.
And, one thing more (which is actually kind of hilarious, if you can get past the utter stupidity):
HE'S. NOT. A. CAPTAIN. YET. HE. IS. A. CADET!
Jim Kirk, that is. As in, someone calls him 'Captain Kirk' in the scene where he's trying to warn Pike about the Romulan ambush. It's hilarious, it's painful, it's...well, it's wrong. And that's where I'll stop, before I start ranting.
Seriously, fic? Seriously? You expect me to believe that a nineteen-year-old Jim Kirk not only wanted to adopt a ten-year-old but was allowed to? You expect me to believe that Spock is suddenly showing all sorts of emotion and is overly fond of the Sue? You expect me to believe that Jenifer would quote Jim's lines to Uhura exactly, and that she wouldn't find this weird and start backing away? You expect me to believe that they let a sixteen-year-old who, by her own admission, is the complete opposite of her 'dad', which implies that she's nowhere near genius level?? And not only that, but she abandons her post? And goes to something called Junior Starfleet? Seriously?
As I seem to remember being said on Deleterius, FIRST!
~DF
(Wow, I really shouldn't let Agent Dawn at bad Star Trek fanfics. On the other hand, I probably really should. She'll go insane, but it'll probably be worth it, and, well, she's insane anyway, and bleeproducts will fix up the excess insanity. I hope.) -
JENIFER LILY KIRK ahahaha! Lily, you might want... by
on 2013-05-30 09:30:00 UTC
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...to take a look at the Kirk's daughter one. Seriously, switch 'Kirk' for 'Winterwood', and she couldn't have used too many more of your names if she'd tried.
I should probably actually look at the fic proper now. But oh, that was quite the surprise. Not sure why people keep naming Jim's extra female relatives Jennifer, though. I mean, yeah, it does kind of work, but...I'm kind of just trying not to quote Hercules now. And it does get pretty annoying when they all get named that. And- oh, fine, I suppose I can't very well complain about his brother being ignored outside of TOS. But I'm still thinking it.
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After watching the Trek Reboot movies, I went Pit-diving. by
on 2013-05-30 03:56:00 UTC
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I found a strange depiction of a Vulcan pon farr that I think has character replaced Spock in pon farr, which is rather astounding.
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Search for Spock? (nm) by
on 2013-05-30 04:12:00 UTC
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*chuckles* by
on 2013-05-31 01:16:00 UTC
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Clever.
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Yes, but then what? by
on 2013-05-30 04:16:00 UTC
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If he's character replaced after entering pon farr does it mean that he'd be in pon farr /and/ in a plothole?
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A couple possible solutions. by
on 2013-05-30 04:38:00 UTC
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- He's possessed, not replaced. Exorcise him and he'll be fine—not that it'll be an easy task. Powers help the agents if the wraith transfers to one of them!
2. The fight to the death really only needs to be a fight to the sufficiently convincing fake death. It worked for Kirk in TOS, it should work for a clever pair of agents. One of them might have to take a bit of a beating, though. >.>
I'm sure there are other possibilities, but those make sense to me, and I'd personally go with the first one. Also, it might be worthwhile to have someone from the Department of Bad Parody second whoever's assigned to this one, since it's apparently a humor fic and deliberately gets pon farr wrong for the lulz.
~Neshomeh
- He's possessed, not replaced. Exorcise him and he'll be fine—not that it'll be an easy task. Powers help the agents if the wraith transfers to one of them!
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Are there Department of Bad Parody agents out there? by
on 2013-05-30 05:29:00 UTC
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Aside from the ones in the Troll Division, that is. I haven't seen any other DBP agents.
I'm tempted to send the Captain Jack Harkness replacement that DawnFire and I recruited in a still-being-worked-on mission into the fic (it'd be set after his recruitment and a couple training missions, obviously). Mostly because he could probably stand a promiscuous!Spock, and he could pull off the sufficiently convincing fake death if needed.
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There could be. by
on 2013-05-31 15:57:00 UTC
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Especially if you made some. I sorta got the impression that you like making minor characters in various departments. Of course, if you don't want to be solely responsible for the care and feeding of them, you can always make them free to use. {= )
I'll just go on record as being uncomfortable with agents getting it on with canon characters whatever the circumstances, but especially considering the dubiously consensual nature of pon farr. It'd be sort of like taking advantage of him, wouldn't it? I have to think that's at least partly why Vulcans try to arrange these things ahead of time, so everyone can properly agree to it. Yes, technically it would be saving his life, but it would be hard to justify that when the readers know the nature of the PPC allows for other options.
I don't know if the Harkness clone letting Spock beat him to death is much less unpleasant, even if he will come back afterwards. >.
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Yeah, I got one. by
on 2013-05-31 16:04:00 UTC
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And I can see where you're coming from there, but I still think that Jacques would be one the better agents for the job just because, as a Harkness clone, he can take sex or dying.
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I guess you could say by
on 2013-05-29 23:18:00 UTC
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that the "Goblin king" lost his head.
Maybe the first Suethor's actually read the book and based their fic on the paragraph about goblins making no beautiful things, but many clever ones? I know that I'm grasping at straws here. -
I don't know if you noticed this. by
on 2013-05-29 23:11:00 UTC
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But the link to the third story is the same as the second...? Which, as you say, is decent aside from the Sue.
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Interesting. by
on 2013-05-29 23:07:00 UTC
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"Lady of the Flame," that is. There's a quite interesting author's note at the end. It looks like she's changed the story from an earlier version, where the OC was called "Firehart" and she bamfed into Middle-earth. This new one is actually better, by the sound of it, and she is still looking for concrit.
I think I'll go give her some.
~Neshomeh, who notes that there's another badfic thread just two below this one, and that the third link is the same as the second. -
Update: A positive response! by
on 2013-05-30 03:54:00 UTC
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Angelamber77 is definitely receptive to concrit. I left a rather long review, and she thanked me for it and said she'd take at least some of my advice in the future. I call that a good start. {= )
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Or not by
on 2013-05-29 21:29:00 UTC
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Never mind about the links...silly laptop.
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/new member/ please don't eat me! by
on 2013-05-30 10:29:00 UTC
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Um... hi? *awkward wave*
I got led here from the PPC wiki, and I have been interested in joining since I read OFUM, OFUATLA, and the Original Series.
You can call me Hana. I'm 15 years old, and I like a lot of books, anime, and manga. You could say that I have dabbled in a lot of fandoms, but have not fully dipped yet into the teacups. I know just enough to wince at bad characterization, plot and Mary Sues.
Most of the fics I have written are for Naruto, but I would like to expand my horizons or something like that.
I would love to help exterminate bad-fics and 'Sues. If you have any questions, please, do ask. -
Hello there! by
on 2013-06-02 03:52:00 UTC
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Well, it looks like I'm late to the introduction, but possibly this means all of the we-are-going-to-eat-you jokes are dying down. Because the last time I checked, you can't eat people over the Internet.
You can't, right?
Well, just in case, take this miniature defense robot. If anything starts crawling out of the Internet, you need a first line of defense that can re-attach its arms and legs, yet still remain small and discreet enough to surprise opponents. The little laser cannons are an added bonus! -
Welcome, newbie! by
on 2013-06-01 17:42:00 UTC
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I see that we share at least one fandom (Narnia). Welcome, and I hope you enjoy it here!
Now as for your newbie gift...
*rummages through Pokemon-trainer-issue bag of holding*
Here we are!
Have a lv. 19 Magikarp and a Rare Candy! You can tell any hungry Boarders that it is a lot more tasty than a newbie! *heh heh* -
My stomach's growling. by
on 2013-05-31 18:31:00 UTC
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Welcome to the Board, of course, and have some lemming repellent!
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Hey-o. by
on 2013-05-31 02:33:00 UTC
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Welcome to the Board! Have some of my hydrophobic water to commemorate the event. Useful for scaring away hungry Boarders! Refills are 10$ each.
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Re: Hey-o. by
on 2013-05-31 06:14:00 UTC
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Thank you. I'll come back to refill it. :)
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Snack! by
on 2013-05-30 22:40:00 UTC
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Yum, a newbie! Ah..no, sorry. *clears throat* Welcome! Have a shiny thing!
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Mmm... I am kind of hungry. by
on 2013-05-30 20:39:00 UTC
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Does anybody have a good recipe for newbie stew?
I mean -- what? *looks around* Welcome a-Board! *laughs nervously*
I found the PPC via OFUM as well. Ah, the internet. The things we discover every day!
Please have this big poofy rainbow hat. It has sequins and pom-poms on it. I honestly don't know what one would use it for, though, so I hope it serves you well! -
*waves* by
on 2013-05-31 23:57:00 UTC
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Well, I didn't get eaten when I joined, so I think you're safe. We share some book fandoms, it seems.
Oh, right, present. Here, have an Infinite Notebook, lined, with urple covers and wilver binding. Beware your eyes!
-Aila -
Oh, oops, I put that in the wrong place. (nm) by
on 2013-05-31 23:58:00 UTC
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Carrots, potatoes, and a pinch of salt. by
on 2013-05-31 12:19:00 UTC
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Let simmer for two hours and serve with a Generic side dish. Serves up to four.
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Re: Mmm... I am kind of hungry. by
on 2013-05-31 06:11:00 UTC
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N-newbie stew?
Thank you, I can think of a my own uses for this hat. It's really nice. :) -
You read OFUA:TLA? by
on 2013-05-30 19:55:00 UTC
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*hugs* You dear person, you. Have a cookie.
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Re: You read OFUA:TLA? by
on 2013-05-31 11:59:00 UTC
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Thank you.
OFUA:TLA was my favorite OFU along with OFUM, and I really loved all the little bits and pieces that make it up. :) -
There's more! by
on 2013-05-31 20:25:00 UTC
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A new chapter! Anj and I finally got it out.
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Hey, I remember that OFU! by
on 2013-05-30 20:46:00 UTC
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I read it a few months ago during my massive OFU/PPC story marathon. Hours scrolling on my laptop. (It was all worth it.)
I really enjoyed Aang Took, the airbending hobbit. There were so many cookies, too... -
It just got a new chapter! by
on 2013-05-31 20:24:00 UTC
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My beta's having a hard time of life, so our updates ain't too frequent...
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Welcome to the Board! by
on 2013-05-30 19:20:00 UTC
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I don't know much about Naruto, but we do share Harry Potter and Narnia. I'm willing to learn, though!
And, for a newbie gift... *dives into piles of random objects on metaphysical floor* Ah! Have a toaster! This is not just any ordinary toaster, though; it's patterned with kaleidoscope polka-dots in constantly-changing Sue-colors. Plus, it shoots pastries at high velocity! -
Re: Welcome to the Board! by
on 2013-05-31 06:07:00 UTC
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Thank you. :)
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Ooh- shiny newbie! by
on 2013-05-30 16:33:00 UTC
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Welcome to the PPC Board, shiny one! (Yeah, I'm one to talk. I just showed up here a month ago. I'm still pretty shiny, aren't I?)
But anyways, Naruto and Percy Jackson! Excellent randoms, there. And OFUA:TLA- now there's a fun example of a Fanfiction Academy!
How do you feel about Studio Ghibli? (One of my favorite questions to ask...)
On another note, have a fluffy velociraptor. Welcome, and have fun!
Boonzayah! -
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on 2013-05-31 05:44:00 UTC
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Studio Ghibli? Other people say I'm childish for liking it, but I -like- being childish - when it doesn't hurt others. It reminds me of childhood, and some of its movies are like waking dreams to watch. :)
My favorites are Spirited Away and Howl's Moving Castle, and maybe Ponyo. -
Hewwo~ Nice to meet you! by
on 2013-05-30 15:59:00 UTC
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So a question, a question! What's your favorite series? Be it book, anime or manga?
Oh, and before I forget. Here! One Sharp Object of your choice. Be careful with it, now! n_n -
Re: Hewwo~ Nice to meet you! by
on 2013-05-31 05:40:00 UTC
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It's hard to say I have one, only one, favorite series. I have a lot of favorites, but from books I like Harry Potter the most, and my favorite anime/manga is Naruto.
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Well, I did not have breakfast... by
on 2013-05-30 15:36:00 UTC
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...but I suppose we new guys have to stick together. Oh, fine.
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Such a pure soul. It's meat must be delicious. by
on 2013-05-30 15:23:00 UTC
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*Ahem, ahem*
Greetings, new one. Be comfortable with this humble forum for a few months, get used to the idiosyncracies of missions, then should you consider being an agent.
Allow me to rummage through my virtual Troll Hoard to look for your gift. Ahha! An old virtual wakizashi, said to be virtually wielded by the black samurai, Yasuke himself. You can have this sword, I prefer to wield virtual Grond, if I could lift it, that is. -
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on 2013-05-31 05:36:00 UTC
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Thank you, this is my first sword. I'll take care of it! :)
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Good to have you a-Board! by
on 2013-05-30 14:08:00 UTC
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Greetings, new friend! Have an unwritten novel!
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Re: Good to have you a-Board! by
on 2013-05-30 14:31:00 UTC
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Thank you. :)
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First plover! (nm) by
on 2013-05-30 13:29:00 UTC
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Re: First plover! by
on 2013-05-30 14:01:00 UTC
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Thank you! It's cute. :)
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*bounces over and hugs* Hi! by
on 2013-05-30 10:41:00 UTC
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Welcome to the Board, where we don't eat people
except on very special occasions. Have a bag of pebbles and a Random Shiny Object.
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*hugs back*
Thank you!
I like Harry Potter, Narnia, Good Omens, Memoirs of a Geisha, Jane Austen, Percy Jackson, and a lot others, but the gist is I don't really like a lot of the modern young adult books. Most follow in the mold of Twilight, and it's just both boring and nauseating to read...
*embarrassed that my twelve-year old self actually liked it, but thankfully I grew out of that phase*
A classmate of mine told me the Mortal Instruments was nice, but there's something weird about it even on the covers. I don't know if it's because I read about Cassandra Clare on the wiki... -
Ooh, good fandoms! by
on 2013-05-30 12:43:00 UTC
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Not that all fandoms aren't good, but I happen to share some of these: Harry Potter, Percy Jackson, Good Omens, and Jane Austen. (Well, actually, I've only read Pride and Prejudice and Northanger Abbey, but still, I like them.) Most definitely HP - see my username - and Percy Jackson, though.
Newbie gift…here, have this Pygmy Puff. It's totally not a tribble I spray painted purple. (I'm a hardcore Star Trek fan…) -
Re: Ooh, good fandoms! by
on 2013-05-30 12:53:00 UTC
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Ooh, it's cute! *holds on to gift* Thank you. I'm new to Star Trek, mostly having heard of it due to Kirk/Spock on TvTropes, and because a certain close friend of mine, a Star Wars fanboy, keeps on trying to steer me away from it.
I liked the new movie, though I was initially at the theater because my brother dragged me. Probably my Cumberbatch-lusting influencing me, but I genuinely like the concepts and the Kirk/Spock friendship. :) -
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Ooh, another Good Omens fan. Nice to meet you. Anyway...
You should read The Constitution. The Wiki and TOS you already know of, but let me mention the IRC channel, where people sometimes hang out. Sometimes there's even serious discussion happening there.
Also, last but not least, have this cup of tea. Just be mindful of the leaves, they'll eat you if you won't be careful. -
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on 2013-05-30 12:42:00 UTC
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I've read it. I'll make a user account at Wikia to sign. :)
Good Omens was first introduced to me by a friend, and I got hooked after the first few pages. Crowley and Aziraphale are both so funny and refreshing to read.
Thanks! *sips tea carefully* Where did you find this unique specimen of tea leaves, though? -
Well... by
on 2013-05-30 20:03:00 UTC
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Well, said tea, aptly named Camellia Sinsesis Carnivorae, comes from agent!Desdendelle's home universe, which is an alternate World One. Aside from the tea, people are trained with melee weapons. And the IDF's food is even worse.
The tea made from it is especially bitter, which earned it the moniker 'Stygian Tea'. Bleeptea is made from a mixture of liquid Bleeprin and Stygian Tea. -
Why does everyone think we're going to eat them? by
on 2013-05-30 10:33:00 UTC
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Hi, welcome, and have an urple fountain pen as a welcoming gift!
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Re: Why does everyone think we're going to eat them? by
on 2013-05-30 10:57:00 UTC
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Sometimes you all just give that impression. :)
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A good point, but how do you plan to read it yourself? by
on 2013-05-31 14:00:00 UTC
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...I feel like this 'please don't eat me' thing may be my fault, at least recently. I was silly enough to bring up the unrecorded instances of newbies being eaten with ketchup--who said that?
Hm. Must be the work of that infamous Hogwarts jaguar.
Anyway, hi, and welcome to the Board! (I may as well do this all in one post...) It's quite nice to meet you; I seem to remember us sharing fandoms (see how lazy I am when I had to walk half an hour through sauna-like heat to reach my bus, and then spent another half-hour or so recovering? I can't even be bothered to ...
Sorry, lost the thread of what I was saying. I just saw the Old City of Jerusalem out the window, and, well, bye-bye thoughts. Oh, there they are. Welcome Gifts, right? Those are good things.
I gift you with several bars of Swiss Bleepolate (I get the feeling you might want them at some point), and some Mystery Gummyblees. They're the kind that choose a shape based on the first fandom you name or reference while they're listening. Choose well!
Welcome :) We're glad to have you. And no one's going to eat anyone else--blistering barnacles, Dean Winchester, get out of my brain already! You just won't quit, will you?
Sorry. He's been wandering around in there for a while. Yesterday he decided to bring Sam and Castiel in as well, and...it got a little crazy. You should actually be seeing the results of that sooner or later--I was talking with Karen at the time, and, well, there was an idea. It's going to be fun.
~DF
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Wiki stuff by
on 2013-05-30 17:11:00 UTC
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So, first of all, thanks to Nesh and doctorlit for protecting the Mary Sue page and to VM for blocking the troll.
Secondly, it was recommended that a bit of discussion I started on the talk page for the FAQ: For Other People be moved to the Board.
So, there's a section on the FAQ that discusses the "It's not my fault I write badly: I have a learning disability!" excuse. While this is definitely something the FAQ should cover, I feel it was done poorly. It starts with a a section marked "[This rant is courtesy of Tviokh.]", which...well, here's a quote from it: "I really don't care if you have ADHD, your parents were killed in a fiery wreck, your dog bit off your right arm and a cat pissed in the still bleeding wound. Your. Story. Needs. Work."
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I'll just let that speak for itself. Luckily, there's another "rant" courtesy of an Anonymous Fanfiction Writer, which makes good points like "having a disability doesn't stop you from writing a good story. It means you have to put in more effort to overcome your weaknesses." To me, it's a simple matter of removing the...mean rant, and keeping the less rant-like rant.
Another idea I had was some testimony from PPCers with learning disabilities, or, if no one felt comfortable, stories of famous authors who overcame learning disabilities.
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Seems that we're agreed... by
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that the Tviokh rant it does not put the PPC in a very good light. So, I suggest that the Tviokh rant be deleted (or at least pared down), as it seems that the only point of contention is whether to add a testimonial, and if so, whose.
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To officially weigh in-- by
on 2013-05-31 18:03:00 UTC
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I'm in favor of removing the Tviokh rant, though I'll admit that I'm fond of it in a nostalgia-goggles sort of way. It definitely comes on too strong, but I never understood it to literally mean that we don't care if something horrible happened to a fanwriter. Rather, maybe you shouldn't expect to do your best work under those conditions, and neither should you expect us to think it is if you post it anyway.
... Actually, that's covered in a previous bit of the FAQ, so it doesn't belong in the learning disability section anyway. So, there you have it. {= )
As for testimonials, I like the idea, but have only the flimsiest basis for contributing myself (was on meds for depression/anxiety in high school and college; haven't needed them since). I know we have people with Asperger's and such, though. Maybe a more specific post title would get their attention?
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on 2013-05-31 18:23:00 UTC
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Could we potentially have more than just learning disabilities in a testimonial section? Because while I can't attest to having a learning disability, I did have to learn English as a second language (along with many others on the Board).
In that same vein, I might also like to contribute to the age section in the FAQ, since, unless you of the oldbies haven't guessed already, I joined the PPC when I was thirteen, or just a couple months shy of it. Having written a good deal of good and bad fics and missions at that age, I can probably provide something for the badfic author at the same age that I had been when I first started taking writing seriously. -
I'm not in charge of this, for the record. by
on 2013-06-02 16:54:00 UTC
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That is, I don't want to be in charge of this right now, because I don't have the time. I can change the protection on the article so it's no longer admin-only, though, at least for the time being.
That said, I don't see why we couldn't do what you're suggesting.
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Well, I'd say we could put any potential rough drafts... by
on 2013-06-02 16:55:00 UTC
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...on the Talk Page, so that others can go over it, make changes if needed, and then it goes onto the main page. We kinda don't want someone writing another caustic rant again.
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What is this?! by
on 2013-06-01 17:45:00 UTC
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Lily WInterwood, writer behind Christianne and Eledhwen, isn't a native English speaker? This is a surprise!
If you don't mind my asking, what is your native language? -
Chinese, actually. by
on 2013-06-01 17:51:00 UTC
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To be honest, though, I came to the US of A when I was young enough to learn the language with everyone else, and unfortunately I speak my first language more like a second language these days because of that.
But yeah, English is technically not my first language. -
I can contribute to the language section too. (nm) by
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I don't have any learning disabilities, by
on 2013-06-01 00:05:00 UTC
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but I could add something to the 'age' section, definitely. After all, I just turned fourteen a few weeks ago. But then again, I would probably need Permission. *shrug*
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It's pretty blunt, but it does get the point across. by
on 2013-05-31 12:09:00 UTC
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I think it'd be better suited as a response for something other than "learning disability" though.
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Depends what point we're trying for. by
on 2013-05-31 15:45:00 UTC
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If the point we want to make on our FAQ for other people to read is that we have zero consideration for bad writers' feelings, someone like Tviokh is the person we ought to quote.
If we want to convey that we have zero tolerance for bad writing, then we will want more directed anger, such as saying 'No matter what your circumstances, by posting your story on the internet you have put it on display, and accepted the responsibility for its quality'. This is essentially a rewording to get away from the specific targetting.
If, as a third option, we want to give the message that even writers with difficulties can write well - and that therefore, since you are posting on the internet, we assume you are willing to make the extra effort that might be required - then something like what h.o.v. suggested would work nicely, though I can't contribute anything specific to it.
And finally, if we want to tell people that having a learning disability or allied trade is a free pass to not do whatever it is you have trouble doing, we can simply say so.
Personally I think we ought to be aiming for 3, with a side-order of 2 ('That aside, if your story is terrible, we /will/ tell you, and yes, we might still PPC it'), and a hint of 4 ('We are happy to offer constructive criticism to authors who actually want to improve their writing, and in many cases, members of the PPC will even offer to beta-read for you!'). And I think if anyone is operating along the lines of 1, they need to seriously consider whether they're in the right community.
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Clarification: by
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'1' in my final sentence being 'we have zero consideration for bad writers' feelings', not specifically the use of Tviokh's rant under any circumstances.
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That does seem needlessly mean, yeah. by
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Hm. by
on 2013-05-30 20:07:00 UTC
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The "mean rant" does sound poorly done. I don't have any stories of horror for you, but I do know that working on your story is the only way to make it good, whether you have a learning disability or not. People with learning disabilities or other such do have to work harder on their stories, but I'd say that they deserve a little more leeway where SPaG is concerned.
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Hello again by
on 2013-05-30 21:23:00 UTC
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Sorry for vanishing for so long. Getting ready for Costume Con took a lot more time than I'd planned, partly because the person who was going to team up with me for a doll costume entry got sick and had to bow out.
I won three ribbons, though, which is better than I'd expected. Member's Choice in the doll contest for "Bridezilla", and two awards for my Historical Masquerade entry "Simple Gifts: Shaker Sister, circa 1820" (Best Research in the Documentation category, and Most Authentic in the Presentation category).
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Um... hi? by
on 2013-06-01 00:08:00 UTC
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I joined about a month ago, and I just thought I'd say hello and welcome back. Oh, and congratulations!
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Hi, have some belated welcome fudge!
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Thanks! (nm) by
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A lot's been going on lately. by
on 2013-05-31 20:25:00 UTC
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Blackouts and meatloaf monsters and badfic, oh my!
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OMG! by
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You're back!
*tackles*
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Doing pretty good, though I've got a lot to catch up on in real life. This was my first time competing in Historical, and I hadn't realized just how much time all that handsewing was going to take. (And I didn't even handsew the whole thing.) Next time I do a Historical, I'm going to think hard about picking an era after the invention of the sewing machine ;) . :: looks at the mess her apartment became after months of using free time to sew instead of clean ::
I've got a half-finished mission that I need to get completely finished. We're going into overtime season at work, but I should have time for writing between customers. -
Congratulations! by
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And welcome back. I think SeaTurtle covered all the news. {= )
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Nice to see you again! Now, on to business:
In HQ, there was a big blackout with monsters everywhere, but the Doctor showed up and saved everyone.
The Multiverse Monitor is up and running again, complete with a disgruntled Cluedo-playing Dalek agent.
hS gave us another glimpse into the PPC's future, but that might turn out to be an AU after all.
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SC's Circle of Lemmings MST thread by
on 2013-05-31 09:12:00 UTC
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So, one may note that there have been more... uh... treats, from the Circle of Lemmings recently.
I offered to do an MST of two of them, and Lily offered to email me the text for a third (which I accepted, by the way, Lily), and thus am now creating a thread to post my progress on each.
I'll probably have to re-make this thread a few times, depending on how long this actually will take me, but for now, I bring forth part one of my first MST, "Fell in love with a Prince" by... Well, according to Polyvore, she goes by steelersgurl70, so we'll go with that.
Here's the link!
Enjoy! Part two will be up soon.
(Also, I have no idea why my DA is suddenly cooperating with me again. But it is, so yay.) -
Three People on a Couch MST part 4 by
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It's dangerous to go alone! Take this link!
It looks like MST number one will be finished in one more part, guys!
Yes, it was actually short enough to be a one-shot, but remember, I'm doing this from my phone. Otherwise, it would have been.
After I'm done with this, I have a Lost Odyssey MST that I'll be able to get back to, and I have one more MST at the moment from Lily that I can work on after that.
My weekend is stacked, guys.
But it's stacked with me song things I enjoy, so whatevs.
Enjoy part four! Final part to come! -
Three People on a Couch MST part 3 by
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Have at you, Link!
*Immediately gets impaled on Master Sword*
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Three People on a Couch MST part 2 by
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Have a link!
Let's play "Spot the references!" :D
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This 'Sue is horrible and must die violently. :D Can I stop smiling now and go huddle in a corner muttering to myself about the nasty 'Sues?
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That's how I decompress after these things. by
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But moreso, I just start up another one after an hour of mental re-adjustments.
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You must be. by
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Here. Come to my corner. I have chocolate and cookies and Bleeproducts. We can comfort each other and plot ways to kill the nasty nasty 'Sue.
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But are the cookies chocolate? by
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I've been swayed many times (mostly by the Sith) with cookies.
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The screaming voice by
on 2013-05-31 12:14:00 UTC
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Are you sure that's not actually the LotR canon screaming?
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Infer what you will. :) by
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I will neither confirm, not deny, any statements regarding the voice.
Other than, "it's pissed."
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Important notes by
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So, after going back and reading ny MST bit through, I realize that I've made a whole bunch of references nobody but myself could understand.
This is because, well, those references coincide with stuff I'm working on, and therefore only I know what I mean when I say them.
At one point, the comment is made about Keis being king of Estrelain. Estrelain is a made-up continent in the universe the OCs come from, known for rather bookish individuals and a massive cultural involvement.
Then, a bit later, Salem notes that the Sue looks like "Kyn Redmane". A picture of Kyn can be found in my DA gallery, with included description of his character in the author's comments.
The "Undying Sun" is a name for the in-universe sun deity, Farenral. She is simply called "God" by the people she governs, and Elwe is one of her immortal angels sent to protect mankind from danger whilst hiding within the shadows.
The spirits, respectively, govern the core elements of water, fire, wind and earth.
The polyvore links that have smilies in them are due to the author not spacing her colons and letters, and DA assuming I was emoting as a result.
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Mm. One... commentrequest. by
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Judy: Why do we care? Describe your shitbag Mary Sue in-story, you talentless hack.
You are of course free to write whatever you like, and this isn't explicitly connected to the PPC, but I still need to say this: that's a flame, right there. I'm uncomfortable with flames under any circumstances, and would ask you to reconsider that line. The rest of the MST is fine in that regard.
In fact, since it's short, I've actually finished it while writing this, so I'll comment properly. The story itself was... quite painful, and you had some good comments ('You're introducing yourself while under fire?' especially, and also the interpretation of 'spitting image of her father'). I find myself a bit lost in your references to other things - but that's why I don't often read MSTs, not a reflection on yours particularly.
And finally: wow, she's nicknamed after her horse? That's... that's quite something.
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I do tend to get a bit more fiery when I MST. by
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And since I haven't been on in a while, I did forget that things are if a friendlier nature here.
Admittedly, that line was hard for me to actually write, because I was trying to keep in-character with Judy (she's rude, harsh, and could be less concerned with others, amongst other things), so I might end up changing that line when I get access to a laptop. Trust me, if I tried it in my phone, bad things would happen.
The MST isn't done yet, it's just part one of whatever-number-I-need-to Finish-with, but yes, it is a rather short entry. And my references are sometimes vague, to this I readily admit. Mainly because I'm trying to go for more of the "gigglesnort" variety of comedy when I do these than the "aaah, I see what you did there" variety that I go for in other works.
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Don't worry, I know it's not done. by
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Also, horse-man hybrid? You mean something like this?:
Turning to find a quintet of black horses flogging themselves behind a bush was not on Agent Takua's to-do list when she joined the PPC. "Okay, 'horse beats', I get it," she muttered. "But the cloaks...?"
Aragorn and Faramir, champions of Animal Rights, charged towards the bush - and the horses leapt out on their hind legs, the black cloaks hiding their shape as they surrounded the pair.
five horses bursted from their hiding places, surrounding the men, the Words declared. They were the Nazgul, or Ringwraiths.
"That... is not entirely normal," Jareth said faintly as Aragorn leapt from his horse, grabbed a nearby mini-Balrog (wincing at the heat) and threw it at the Nazgorses - and then reached for his sword. The sun, as if realising what kind of story it was in, plummeted towards the horizon, setting just in time for the battle to start.
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...Yeah. Yeah, that'll work. XD by
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And oh my good grief, I did not know that was in a mission once.
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So, just a quick question. by
on 2013-05-31 15:44:00 UTC
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Or maybe not so quick, depending on your perspective.
There was a post lately on agents that could be adopted for writing by someone else. What exactly classifies an agent as adoptable?
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on 2013-05-31 17:46:00 UTC
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I would at least try to get in touch with the original author first. In some cases that may not be possible, but then again, in some cases it may.
I personally don't like the idea of just taking someone else's character without permission. Just because there's nothing explicitly saying you can't doesn't mean you should, or that they would be okay with it. Furthermore, a lot of agents are people's OCs from original stories. Adopting them would be especially problematic, since the author may still be using them—just not here.
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Some of my own examples. by
on 2013-05-31 16:07:00 UTC
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Since I have a whole kettle full of adopted agents, I think I can partially answer this by referencing the types of agents I currently have.
1/ The ones I created. These include people like Dafydd, Narto and Lou, and a handful of others. Obviously there's no problems there.
2/ The ones I co-created. Most of the cast of The Reorganisation were co-created by myself and Vemi. Again, I don't see any issues here.
3/ Agents who have specifically been given to me by their author. This is mainly for the Building Maintenance crew, who were passed on to me by JulyFlame when she left. Again, no problems.
4/ Agents who my agents have been on co-written missions with. This covers primarily Vemi and Constance. The latter is something of a special case halfway between this and 3. I only do this when their author has left, and there's something specific to do with them (Vemi's role in Crashing Down was planned before Vemi left, and Constance is of course married to Dafydd). Selene is also sort of in here, but she's also partly 2.
5/ Associates of those in 4. This is how I got Penny and Steve. I consider this reasonable, since they only really exist as appendages to the 'primary' agents.
6/ Those whose authors I worked closely with. This is essentially the reason behind my adoption of Starwind and Estelnar; I worked a lot with Boarder!Starwind, on the Multiverse Monitor and some of my stories, and occasionally have roles which her agents fit very well in.
7/ Long-abandoned agents. By this I mean really long, and I lay no claims of exclusivity. This is more of an 'unauthorised borrowing' style of thing, and lies behind my occasional use of Architeuthis, Black and Irvine, and very rarely Jay and Acacia. I justify this (to myself, at least!) by being very careful not to say only I can write them - and I know Archi has shown up recently in some DoI fics, so I apparently pulled it off. Basically, this is the 'rescuing and reintegrating into the PPC mythos' category.
There is another type, which I think is what you remember seeing recently:
8/ When an author has stopped writing their agents but is still around. In this situation, if there's a reason you want that particular agent (such as, recently, Lily wanting to use two Time Lords of Tawaki's) you can just ask the author if you can adopt them. The worst they can do is say no!
Obviously, the foundation of some of my adoptions is distinctly shaky. I do my best to keep the agents in character, and use them only rarely (Starwind and Estelnar, for instance, have shown up only once, in a 'but it's simply perfect!' moment). If their authors come back, I'll give them up without a fight - but at the moment, I think they're better off being used.
I wonder if that answered your question.
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I've found several most-likely-inactive agents. by
on 2013-05-31 20:19:00 UTC
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Depending on your definition of "long-abandoned", all or none could be classified that way. Most of them have been unused since 2009 or 2010, and these are the main ones I'm interested in. I may post more, if I find them.
-Mira, written by Somariel (last seen 2010)
-Somariel, written by the same (last seen 2010)
-Crebaina Aisenyeva, written by Lycaenion (last seen 2010)
-Teek Virtanen, written by Lycaenion (last seen 2010)
-Laburnum, written by Laburnum (last seen 2010)
-Foxglove, written by Laburnum (last seen 2010)
Listed as inactive
-Lóce, written by Alania (last seen 2006)
-Infinity, written by Alania (last seen 2006)
-Lothloriel Elhyn, written by Lothy and Rowyn (unknown)
-Rowyn, written by Lothy and Rowyn (unknown)
-Ekwy Fields, written by Ekwy (last seen 2008)
-Milano Cricket, written by Milano (last seen 2008)
-Nea Forrest, written by Nea (see directly above)
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Hullo! I'm not dead yet! by
on 2013-06-02 04:44:00 UTC
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And my feelings are as follows:
Since I haven't been active for quite a while now, I don't mind if you borrow/adopt Crebaina, so long as you show me the results. She kind of got the short end of the character development stick, so it would do my heart good to see someone give her new opportunities. I can provide all her extra canon biography if need be.
However, Teek has come a long way since her published missions, through a lot of off-Board roleplaying, and I'm pretty attached to her.
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O hai there! by
on 2013-06-04 17:15:00 UTC
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First of all, welcome back to the Board - if you're staying. If not, I'm glad you stopped by!
You see, I've really enjoyed Teek and Crelmos's missions - in fact, they're some of my favorites. I think their interaction is interesting and played very well - Crelmos is creepy enough to infuriate Teek, but not creepy enough to make the story unfunny. I like how in their first mission, it's an incredibly boring, clichéd Sue, which lets Teek and Crelmos shine. I keep trying to imagine a Cardassian hobbit, and it cracks me up every time. However, I'm especially fond of the mission with the horse goddess - the way you thoroughly deconstructed the stupidity of the original fic was wonderful, and I like Teek's speculations about a good story with a lust curse. It might be a plot bunny. And like I said, Crelmos is just the right amount of evil and creepy to make Teek angry, but not so much as to change the story's tone into anything other than humorous. And that is exemplified in the disguise generator trick he pulls on her.
I think the third mission's greatest strength is simply how mind-bogglingly stupid the original fic is, and how Teek and Crelmos are just trying to deal with it. If the results of Crelmos's "experiment" at the end, and Teek's reaction to said experiment is ever written, I will read it.
In fact, if you ever write any more missions involving Teek and Crelmos as partners, or with Crelmos, I will read them. I confess, I haven't read any more of Teek's missions because I read those when scouring the wiki for Star Trek stuff.
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Thank you very much! by
on 2013-06-05 01:00:00 UTC
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Wow - that stuff is a(n embarrassingly) long time ago in terms of writing and development of those characters for me. It's quite nice to hear that you enjoyed it.
Feel free to keep that plot bunny. :)
Hmm, let's see... Teek hasn't done any Star Trek missions yet, but she's now in the DMS and has a new partner, Kayla, of whom she is very protective (though Kayla really doesn't need it). They get along very well, though. As of this July, Teek will be 21.
Crelmos has stayed in Floaters and is currently partnerless, which he finds preferable. It was very difficult for him to recover from the damage living with Teek did to his mental stability, but he's getting there. However, missions don't interest him that much (he still dreams of someday getting back into Research) so he treats them very clinically; he tends to hide in his RC most of the time doing inter-universe scientific literature studies and working on new theories.
For the future with Trek-related stuff... well, I have a Romulan Agent who's very enjoyable to write about, along with his World One human partner. And I think Crelmos's Cardassian ex-girlfriend (she's not shown up in anything I've published, but has had an eventful RP and non-/semi-canon career) could also do with some character revamping.
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I'm not going to claim I'm any sort of authority on this... by
on 2013-05-31 20:29:00 UTC
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but Boarders who have named Agents after themselves usually have those characters as modified self-inserts(see Trojie/Trojanhorse and Pads/Paddlebrains), and they would probably not like it if people went and used said self-inserts without definite permission on their part.
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Agreed. by
on 2013-05-31 21:20:00 UTC
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I'm more and more uncomfortable with the idea of adopting characters without permission (or at least knowing the author well enough to know it's okay). Definitely try to get in touch with those people first. I guarantee you can track most of them down if you try; they'll have LiveJournals or deviantART accounts or something. If you get permission, great. If not, I'd strongly suggest letting it go.
Actually, speaking of permission, Aelin, do you have Permission to PPC yet? If not, I'd wait until you get that before pursuing this any further.
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I agree completely. (nm) by
on 2013-05-31 20:40:00 UTC
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Isn't there a difference between "respectful cameo"... by
on 2013-05-31 17:21:00 UTC
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and an actual character adoption?
Not trying to say anything about a specific fic, least of all yours. I've always enjoyed reading your work. I'm just asking whether there's a difference, with one slightly less potentially problematic? -
Guesswork (and some common sense) by
on 2013-05-31 17:38:00 UTC
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I think a cameo is when an agent appears in one mission, then vanishes. Cf. the mass exorcism of Alumia. Adoption, OTOH, is permanent (until you go away, anyway) - you use that agent as your own.
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I'd err on the side of caution, there. by
on 2013-05-31 15:51:00 UTC
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I can't give you a definitive answer, but I'd say probably just use the ones explicitly up for adoption.
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My brain just exploded... but in a good way. by
on 2013-05-31 20:23:00 UTC
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I just discovered a Phineas and Ferb fanfic that is completely insanely meta and hilarious. It's about Doofenshmirtz attempting to take over the Tri-State Area by... writing a Phineas and Ferb fanfic... which is set in an alternate universe where Doofenshmirtz is the Emperor of the Tri-State Area, just about every major character is evil, and Jerry the Platypus fights Dr. Colman Shoofdenmirtz. Oh, and Doofenshmirtz writes more author's notes than you can shake a stick at.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9231302/1/Doof-s-Evil-Phinbella-Story -
(Attempts to prevent self from bursting into laughter...) by
on 2013-06-01 19:12:00 UTC
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(...Fails.) AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That is ridiculous! (But in a fun, hilarious way.)
Almost reminds me of Adventure Time with the Ice King writing an AU fanfic.
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A Fanfic Forget-Inator by
on 2013-05-31 23:58:00 UTC
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A safer and EVILER alternative to bleeprin. I could use one of those.
This story is hilarious. Now I am imagining a really meta PPC mission where they kill the fic inside the fic, and Doof is watching it happen from the outside, and tries to hinder the agents the entire way. Wow. I may be tempted to do that now... If anyone else wants to take that idea from me, have at it, it's not that important to me. -
Oh no... by
on 2013-06-01 04:03:00 UTC
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World-Jumper, you have no idea how powerful the forces you're playing with are....
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That makes me think of... by
on 2013-06-01 00:57:00 UTC
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All of those stories where the Canon characters MST a Suefic. What would happen if they started reading one and halfway through it turned out to be a mission?
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No idea what would happen. by
on 2013-06-01 01:13:00 UTC
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However, I have read a MST where the canon characters step in and out of the story and conspire to tear it apart from the inside. The MST of My Little Unicorn. While canon characters normally stay out of these guys MSTs, toward the end they start plotting it's demise, and it is awesome. Here's the link to the MST (or, at least, the main hub for all of the group's MSTs): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uJ8FqW1zBIzsYZoe4M1ILS9H8wgk2zjEEGQqmgNsfIg/edit -underneath My Little Unicorn, Magic is Believing section.
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Help. Lungs. Dying. (nm) by
on 2013-05-31 21:34:00 UTC
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Oh wow... by
on 2013-05-31 20:33:00 UTC
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I can't breathe. I'm laughing too hard.
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Interlude! by
on 2013-05-31 23:42:00 UTC
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Remember how I adopted German!seperate character!Sheik? This has been lying around for a while. Also, it has a follow-up which will, hopefully, follow up soon.
Interlude
As usual, report all typos and bugs you come across. Bugs will be fixed and typos will be collected, because I have to re-upload the file every time I change it.
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A thread-jacking... by
on 2013-06-02 05:53:00 UTC
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But first, concrit!
You do have a couple typos:
He also needed to think of another name for himself, as he couldn't take someone else's
"Thanks," she answered, and took the bottle.
Overall it's fairly good - Shiek* seems like he could be an interesting character, and I look forward to seeing him pop up in the future! I would recommend reading these out loud to yourself before you post, though. There's just a couple places where the phrasing comes off as a bit awkward - the very last sentence, for example, the last phrase of it - I'm not sure exactly how to put it? It just comes up as a bit awkward.
Like I said, it's still not a bad interlude - a fairly good introduction for the character. I like the matter-of-fact way he reacts to the oddities of HQ, and look forward to future confusion in name-finding!
Anyway, I'm taking your IRC silence as tacit approval for thread-jacking, so I shall post a Cafeteria mission, featuring Lyn and Jof: The Dresden Affair!
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Re: Mission by
on 2013-06-03 05:56:00 UTC
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There are some cool little details about how Cafeteria teams work here, but I would love to learn more about how their missions tend to go. The little you did reveal, you used to good effect, saving the explanation for the bizarre situation up to the end to drop a funny whammy on the reader.
I am pretty confused by the first coffee(less) scene, though. I assume the shop lady's cut-off word was "waiting," but I'm not sure why she would be stalling, or why Jof Jumped them out of the store. (Shouldn't the shop lady have been neuralyzed, or is that a normal occurrence in the Dresdenverse?) All I can think of is that she had called the police because of Lin's behavior, but I'm not sure said behavior was threatening enough to warrant that.
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on 2013-06-03 08:06:00 UTC
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Ah! 'Tis a Monty Python reference... which, apparently, I got slightly wrong. (This is a text version, for those without speakers.) Fair warning - both versions contain foul language.
Yes, I probably should've had them neuralyze the shop lady, or simply had Jof yank Lin out physically; it only occurred to me with you pointing it out here that that would be a problem. Most likely, if it was a Thing, I'd point out that in a Warden's cloak, it could be chocked up to magic - not entirely common, but the Dresdenverse philosophy is "People who see things they think are impossible will quickly convince themselves they didn't actually see it." (That's actually a fairly awful bastardization - I highly recommend reading the series, if you get the chance. It's a terribly cynical philosophy, and occasionally goes into borderline Author Rant, but somehow, it still works.)
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Thanks! by
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Ah! 'Tis a Monty Python reference... which, apparently, I got slightly wrong. (This is a text version, for those without speakers.) Fair warning - both versions contain foul language.
Yes, I probably should've had them neuralyze the shop lady, or simply had Jof yank Lin out physically; it only occurred to me with you pointing it out here that that would be a problem. Most likely, if it was a Thing, I'd point out that in a Warden's cloak, it could be chocked up to magic - not entirely common, but the Dresdenverse philosophy is "People who see things they think are impossible will quickly convince themselves they didn't actually see it." (That's actually a fairly awful bastardization - I highly recommend reading the series, if you get the chance. It's a terribly cynical philosophy, and occasionally goes into borderline Author Rant, but somehow, it still works.)
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Ah, that explains my confusion. by
on 2013-06-03 16:17:00 UTC
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I'm afraid my knowledge of the Pythons' TV stuff is pretty limited.
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Pfft- by
on 2013-06-02 12:40:00 UTC
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Not going to spoiler, but the resolution was glorious.
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Hee. Thanks! Glad you liked it! by
on 2013-06-03 08:09:00 UTC
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Aaaaand rather than post a third time to the above, I will simply restate the obvious, that the Anon is me, and commence headdesking at the godsawful mistake - really, I just did that? Really, though? Bah.
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Darn typos. by
on 2013-06-02 12:34:00 UTC
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And there I thought I/my betas caught them.
As for your foot note: Both typos effectively caused the German in him and Impa, but at the end of the day, it's the same tribe, just in different languages. I chose to leave his name as it was given to him, as that would at least be conflict-free in English. (Sheik is already Zelda in disguise, so that could cause problems, should he run into her.) Also, his name will change.
I'm aware that I really went overboard with the "make sentences sound interesting" thing, but I'm not yet sure how to reword them.
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Haha! by
on 2013-06-01 02:06:00 UTC
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Fun, with all the bumping into doors and stuff. I just can't name the people who popped into Dr. Freedenburg's office at the end, though.
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Ooh! I like! by
on 2013-06-01 00:35:00 UTC
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I'm curious as to what his name will be.
I love how he kept on banging into doors, and also how he was just being passed around the various places without much of an explanation.
Who were those agents who came through the portal near the end? Anyone in particular?
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Re: Interlude by
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I liked how you have Medical and FicPsych interacting and working together to solve the German Sheikah's problem. I also like the idea behind the aging being a problem of the mind rather than just a physical trait given by the words.
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As in, someone who has actually appeared.
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Who was the man behind the desk at Medical? by
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I can figure out who the rest are, except for Bryn's agents, because the GDocs for all of their missions won't let me in, and that guy. I'm not sure which pre-established character he was supposed to be.
Or was that not what you meant? I could have misinterpreted that statement.