There was some talk a while back about a Seattle-area Gathering sometime near the end of March.
Well, it's March (Or, well, will be for us Seattlelanders in about an hour and fifteen minutes...).
Shall we set a date/time/location now so that people can get time off work/school/etc?
I, for one, will try my bestest to be there with Kefka (and possibly Meip!) in tow.
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Seattle Gathering? (Again...) by
on 2012-03-01 06:47:00 UTC
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Alright, a date! by
on 2012-03-05 04:30:00 UTC
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Saturday, the 31st of March, starting at 10 AM.
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Works here, too! As for a place... by
on 2012-03-06 07:58:00 UTC
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The fountain at the Seattle Center worked pretty well last time, so how about there again?
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No objections here... (nm) by
on 2012-03-08 05:15:00 UTC
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Re: Alright, a date! by
on 2012-03-06 04:46:00 UTC
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Looks good to me! Just need a where, now.
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Hey, works for me... by
on 2012-03-05 14:20:00 UTC
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(Shockingly!)
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Proposed Dates? by
on 2012-03-03 02:18:00 UTC
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It looks like the weekend of ECCC works for everyone, but the caveat I'm seeing is "If we pick a date/time soon," so-- anyone got a good idea of a definite time/date/place in that general range?
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Awwwww by
on 2012-03-02 22:56:00 UTC
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My last final's on April 18, and I don't think I'll manage to get home before then.
Oh well.
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Might go. by
on 2012-03-02 09:21:00 UTC
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Depends on work shtuff, but if we figure out something soon, I can ask for the day off.
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Will be here! by
on 2012-03-02 00:45:00 UTC
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So long as a date/time/location can be agreed on more than fifteen minutes in advance, I can probably make it.
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Re: Seattle Gathering? (Again...) by
on 2012-03-01 20:41:00 UTC
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I'll also be in Seattle for ECCC, but I may also be able to make a gathering between the 21st and the 25th.
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Aye! by
on 2012-03-01 19:40:00 UTC
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I'll be in the area March 29th to April 2nd, so there's some flexibility-- do any dates in that range work for anyone else?
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Scared n00b here. by
on 2012-03-01 12:28:00 UTC
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Hi... Um. Shy n00b is shy.
My name is AnnaBee. I'm really, really new here, and I only sort of know what's going on... but I want to join the PPC. Is there, like, an initiation process or something? -
Hi there! by
on 2012-03-03 15:43:00 UTC
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Welcome to the PPC! Have a hairy regexp, and please leave your sanity in the bin by the door.
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Re: Scared n00b here. by
on 2012-03-02 11:52:00 UTC
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*stumbles in, unneeded glasses askew and wearing pyjamas*
Well, it seems everyone else has already gotten around to it, but I'll say it too anyway. Welcome, newcomer! Have some Bleep-products!
Well, this is the initiation, really. We all flock and greet you, throw you Bleep-products, Pith Helmets, and, in the case of Turtle, hydrophobic water. Whatever you do, don't drink the hydrophobic water. Bad idea is bad.
Well, you might want to read the Original Series first. That's your canon, so pay close attention. If you're not a LotR fan, I suggest the wiki. You won't learn as much or as well, but it serves as a substitute. It also contains links to many other PPC works.
If you love Redwall, I would suggest talking to Burnsie (Laburnum Steelfang). Ze's working with Kit to write an OFU, and may also answer to Hemlock, which is a male self. Hence the gender neutral pronoun. Ze's also good for Welkin Weasels, Discworld, and other semi-obscure fandoms. Also operates in Penguins of Madagascar.
If you're into My Little Pony, I'm just one of a good number you can talk to. It is as the show says- "Friendship is Magic". And there's a lot of it to be offered here. The boarder who write Fritz and Silias is also a Brony, last I checked. Ze was the brave being who tackled "Cupcakes".
A good boarder to talk to for just about anything is HerrWozzeck. Ze's pretty cool.
I would also like to say wait a while before firing a Permission Request. I remember filing mine too damn early and it was rejected because I wasn't well known enough. I still haven't filed a second one- partly because I lost the doc, and partly because I've been active in a rather sparodic manner of late.
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Hello there! by
on 2012-03-02 02:37:00 UTC
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Welcome to the Board! Have some of my world-famous hydrophobic water! Handle with care, do not mix with reality.
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Hi! by
on 2012-03-01 23:12:00 UTC
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Hi! Well, technically there's an initiation thingie for female agents, but that's only if you want to write it. Have a mini trebuchet, designed for mini-Aragogs, mini-Balrogs, and Misspelled Monkey!
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Hey. by
on 2012-03-01 21:03:00 UTC
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Have some chocolate.
I'm a perpetual n00b myself. We can be total newbs together, and feel free to ask all the dumb questions you like, cause I do it all the time. -
Thanks for all the gifts, everybuggy. by
on 2012-03-01 20:51:00 UTC
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I am sure they will come in useful. *nomming fudge*
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HI AND HELLO! by
on 2012-03-01 20:27:00 UTC
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Have a Holy Hand Grenade! (Do not use near lagomorphs. Count to three before use. Not four, and five is right out.)
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Don't worry by
on 2012-03-01 19:11:00 UTC
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We here at the PPC deal with shyness by ignoring it completely! *glomps*
The only initiation is us giving you presents and helpful advice. Have a broken yardstick and a sock full of rocks! I'm sure you'll find some use for them. -
Hii! Welcome to the PPC! by
on 2012-03-01 17:33:00 UTC
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It's always awesome to have enthusiastic newbies like yourself. ^^ And my, what an impressive list of fandoms. I approve.
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Re: Scared n00b here. by
on 2012-03-01 16:06:00 UTC
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Hi, have some fudge!
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Greetings! by
on 2012-03-01 15:56:00 UTC
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I like the cut of your jib, sailor. We share lots of fandoms, and it's awesome that you're jumping right in and posting in other threads. ^_^
Here, have a bumper sticker! It says, "My agent sporked your Mary Sue." Use it wisely.
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Good to have you a-Board! by
on 2012-03-01 15:11:00 UTC
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Greetings, new friend! Have a—BEE! Where's my flyswatter?
Oh. You aren't a bee. You're just an AnnaBee. My mistake.
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First plover! by
on 2012-03-01 13:46:00 UTC
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BTW, what are your fandoms?
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Oh hai there! by
on 2012-03-01 13:29:00 UTC
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Well, you do have to get Permission by hanging around here for a month and making yourself known a bit. We have an IRC channel, and we have this board, so as long as you post with some amount of frequency so people here will know who you are then you'll be good to go once you ask for Permission in a month.
Welcome to the PPC! :D
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So. More explication required, I see. by
on 2012-03-01 13:04:00 UTC
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So. My name's AnnaBee, because the agent I'm kicking around is named Anna Beilschmidt. I'm a random person who stumbled upon the PPC when trying to fix my friend's universe (The Mary Sues burned). After falling in love with the PTerry references, the acerbic wit, and the constant sporking, I sicced Jay and Acacia on the Greek God my friend felt it necessary to add.
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Sounds reasonable enough. by
on 2012-03-01 13:30:00 UTC
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Just remember that people around here typically have multiple agents to an RC, so...
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Hello! by
on 2012-03-01 12:51:00 UTC
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Yes there is an initiation process. It's very dangerous...only a few manage to gather the courage to go through with it...*plays dramatic music* You have to...
Say hi. *DUN DUN DUN*!!!
Seriously though. Welcome a-board!
Although, if you haven't already, you should probably read the PPC constitution(there's a link on the wiki) and also read the Original Series (also linked on the wiki).
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Hi. by
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So, I've read ALL the original series. And most of the wiki. ANd about 75% of the sporkings, though I gave up on the one of That Series and didn't even BOTHER with C*l*br*an. *vomits profusely*
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So basically, by
on 2012-03-01 14:52:00 UTC
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You're a wonderful perfect new person and come leaping onto the board to share your enchantment and affection for the series.
Which is pretty much the best thing. I remember when I was new; I couldn't be kept off the wiki because I loved the material so much. And I still do.
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Thanks you gaiz. by
on 2012-03-01 15:23:00 UTC
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This is why I love the Internet. You guys are so friendly and nice to a total nub like me. ^^
Okay. Fandoms? You really want the list? *has scared away more than one person with this... as it's rather long and fangirly...*
LOTR, Harry Potter, Doctor Who, Firefly/Serenity, Discworld Doctor Horrible's Sing-Along Blog, Axis Powers: Hetalia, Death Note, FullMetal Alchemist, Sherlock Holmes, the Young Wizards books, the Pern books, Labyrinth, MirrorMask, the Dark Crystal, Redwall, Miyazaki movies (Totoro, Howl's Moving Castle, + etc.), Alice In Wonderland/The Looking Glass Wars (Hatter Madigan unhhh...), Pixar movies, the Muppets, Ender's Game, the Hyperion Cantos, Vampire: the Masquerade, Dungeons and Dragons, the works of Shakespeare, Dickens, Hugo, and Tolstoy, Mistress Masham's Repose, The Once and Future King, Order of the Stick, Lexx, Romantically Apocalyptic, Iron Man (Tony Stark unhhhh...), The Little Prince, the Earthsea books, and probably a MILLION more that I'm forgetting/skipping for your mental hygiene. :P
I must confess to a guilty and abiding love for Twilight. I also don't know much about Pokemon, South Park, or Durarara, but I ship a few pairings from them. >.>
I ship compulsively- straight, yaoi, and even occasionally yuri. I am also guilty of creating cracky crossovers so bad that even the Department of Crossovers can't make head or tail of them. It's all in RP, so it makes a certain degree of sense at the time, but... I'm also fond of crossing fandoms that SHOULD NOT be crossed, like Sherlock Holmes and South Park. And then shipping characters from the crossed fandoms. Hey, at least I've got an Agent now who can help me fix this, right? -
I know something about implausible crossovers. by
on 2012-03-01 17:34:00 UTC
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In fact, one of my Agents came straight out of one of those. A massive one.
And about canon not supposed to go along... Well, I crossed over Card Captor Sakura with Detective Conan/Case Closed twice and with Knight Rider (original 1982 series, with a dash of Team Knight Rider and Knight Rider 2000 thrown in) once.
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Crossover H*ll by
on 2012-03-01 20:50:00 UTC
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...Compared to mine, those work well.
My worst one was... *thinks*
Axis Powers: Hetalia, Vampire: The Masquerade, South Park, Teen Titans (the cartoon), Sandman, Beelzebub, Ororon (or something like that), Sherlock Holmes, and a random angel OC that wandered into my head.
Somehow, it sort of made sense in context, but not really.
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Aborting sporking (?) by
on 2012-03-01 14:50:00 UTC
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Ok, here's the bottom line. It has been nearly 3 - 4 months since I had selected the work I had in mind to spork - a work which had been since deleted from FF.Net one month into my attempted sporking. Owing to PPC guidelines if it takes too long, as well as the frustrating length of the damn thing (covering ALL THREE books/films of LOTR), I am considering pulling out now and starting from scratch with a, hopefully, shorter work.
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Abandon ship! by
on 2012-03-01 14:55:00 UTC
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Sometimes when something is just too bad, it's best to leave it be. Creating a mission requires material you can make funny... and if something is agonizingly difficult to write there's a pretty good chance that it won't ever be that funny.
I'm giving up on a mission of mine, too... it's better as an unspoken noodle incident to be referred to in other missions than as a mission itself. -
About abandoning ships (or not boarding them at all) by
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There are mainly two kind of fics PPC-wise.
Those with which you can have fun, and those who just don't work (with you. Maybe others will be able to make a good mission out of it, since everybody has his own mission style).
For example, I tend to be picky when searching for a sporkable fic. Why?
Because not all the fics go well with my mission-writing style.
I just finished an extensive research in Card Captor Sakura, and I ended up choosing an hurt/comfort one. Not actually from grammar and writing (in fact, technical charges are completely absent) but because the plot was flimsy at best (Syaoran being blind for no reason at all, for example, and three Generic Rapists with no brain whatsoever. Oh, and let's not forget Healing Sex.)
I had to pass several other fics because all of them didn't suit for my writing at all:
- One was seventeen chapters long. It would have took me too much time to read all of it, and I tend to pace better missions in short ones.
- One was too squicky. You will not get summary or links from me, I'm still shivering. Despite the fact that I want that... that... thing deader than dead, I'm not going to prod it with a mile-long pole.
- Others were probably trolls, and too short for even a MST. Besides that, no fun potential.
- The last one is on my kill-list, but there aren't enough chapters yet to write a good mission. I have to wait a while.
So, if you don't feel like sporking it anymore, just give it up and search something different. Reember, it's not a job - we're here to have fun. -
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Well, there are multiple problems in my case, but SP&G isn't it.
The sheer length is one of the biggest concerns as the author-inserted char- I mean, Lucie, last of the "angeli" (none of whom exist in Middle-Earth)goes throughout the ENTIRE course of the LOTR canon (minus Sam and Frodo post-Falls of Raos.).
Componding it, to be perfectly honest, when we peel back the canon, the "supporting" canons, the fictional and downright heretical history and "specul powerz" of Lucie, what do you have? Merely a sappy love story between Lucie and Aragorn. And don't think Arwen would merely abide by this if she was her canonical self, oh no.
In fact, I quote:
"Strider? Oh you mean Aragorn? He went to get ready for the council; my brother has trouble been presentable".
"Aragorn? I never knew that was his name, your brother?"
"Yes, he is Aragorn son of Arathorn, Isildur's heir. And yes he is my brother by adoption even though he is an absolute pain".
Urgh, and finally, I honestly seem to be having a hard time trying to be humerous within the context of the sporking. I mean, the occasional agent pratfall or misteleportation definately occurs, but I think my attempt at humor is sorely lacking.
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Hmmm... by
on 2012-03-01 15:27:00 UTC
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Maybe you could have your agents accidentally derail the plot somehow- things go Horribly Wrong and the canon characters notice- and they have to join forces with Sauron to wipe this plague off the face of the Earth? Well, Middle-earth?
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I'd remain pessimistic, though ... by
on 2012-03-01 15:34:00 UTC
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As this Sue has already killed (not banished, KILLED) two Ringwraiths within the space of two chapters INCLUDING THE WITCH-KING HIMSELF!!
If the most powerful of Sauron's lieutenants cannot stand up to this Sue on a good day, I most certainly doubt a Helghast and a young adult from the 21st century would. Best if I take another delve into fanfiction with a fresh pair of eyes.
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Possibilities by
on 2012-03-01 15:50:00 UTC
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First, I agree with Aster: if it's too huge and it's not fun anymore, best just to let it go. I also made the mistake of trying to take something too big for me when I was new, and even though I was working with a co-writer, it still ended up dying unfinished. Start small.
That said, though, there are possibilities even when dealing with a massively overpowered Sue. The first question to ask is, is she really that powerful, or has she somehow nerfed the other characters? What if those weren't real Ringwraiths she killed, just shadow-puppets she pulled in to puff herself up? In that case, the real Ringwraiths are probably stuck in a plothole, and they're probably pissed off and would be more than willing to show her what one of the Nine can really do.
On the other hand, there was a Nazgul recovering in FicPsych once, so it's also possible she directly de-powered them for the same purpose. Either way, though, she's still not as strong as she wants us to think she is. Disrespecting canonical bad guys does not a strong, powerful character make.
'Course, if the story is written well enough that you believe she is that powerful, then perhaps it's not as bad as all that. That's also something to consider.
It's all hypothetical, of course, but the point is there's always more than one approach to things. {= )
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on 2012-03-01 15:54:00 UTC
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Yeah, I'd have to agree, trying to spork the current work has become a bit too laborious for me and my schedule to handle, so, I'll let it drop.
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Oh my dear and fluffy aunt. by
on 2012-03-01 15:38:00 UTC
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...Yeeeeeeeeah.
I think you need the Doctor. Or, you know. Mr. Teatime. Or Cthulhu.
Therapeutic fic time! The Doctor, Galactus, Cthulhu, and Mr. Teatime temporarily join forces to WIPE THE SUE FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH. :DDD
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Then it's settled. by
on 2012-03-01 15:42:00 UTC
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I'll see if I can place this aside for another day or have it referred in passing later on.
And, speaking of newbs, I guess you can call me one as well. I had been accepted, but I hadn't even finished my first mission yet.
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Shiny. by
on 2012-03-01 15:44:00 UTC
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Always fun to meet another n00b. :D
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on 2012-03-01 15:51:00 UTC
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Possibly, though I think allowing the Deleted fic to die (and arranging an accident for our Sue) was the line of thought I took.
I tell you what: if it is possible for two n00bs to collaborate (if you are Approved a month or so from now), I'm for the idea.
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I don't care either way. by
on 2012-03-01 15:57:00 UTC
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Hey, it'd be fun! :D I do a LOT of RP, so I'm used to collaborations.
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Get to knw the PPC over the next month... by
on 2012-03-01 16:03:00 UTC
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... see if you are Approved, then maybe we might be able to find something our Agents can tear into.
I best stop there as I am clearly taking up too much space, but I hope to see you again in the future, AnnaBee. Good luck ... and thanks for the advice you put forward. -
Hey, I'mma be on here every embleer day for a MONTH . by
on 2012-03-01 16:04:00 UTC
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I WANT TO BE A PPC-er. :D I WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES.
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So. Help with my Agent. by
on 2012-03-01 15:58:00 UTC
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I'm kicking around ideas for my Agent, and I want to introduce a character from one of the hideous crossover RP's I've done. Problem is, she JUST MIGHT be a Mary Sue. Help?
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Details by
on 2012-03-01 16:46:00 UTC
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Name: Anna Beilschmidt. Name she was born with is Moonracer Roxanne Beilschmidt, due to Extremely Bad Parenting. She HATES it.
Appearance: Chin-length white hair, ghastly pale skin, and red eyes. She's half-albino, half-vampire, and dangit, it does NOT look good. Wears thick, black glasses, and suits with skirts. Her left leg is twisted, due to a tragic accident in the gene pool... She can't really put any weight on it. She has to wear a brace and use a cane; if she's travelling any distance, she uses a wheelchair.
Personality: Arrogant, a wee bit sarcastic, logical, and a *bit* of a Flat Earth Atheist. In short, your average Agent. Tends to try to take charge of things. Even when other people don't want her to. Speaks both French and German, and curses fluently in the latter. Takes copious notes of things that happen in a black Moleskine. Just a wee bit anal-retentive. Yells at people a lot. She takes after Hetalia-Germany more than her father.
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Things to consider. by
on 2012-03-01 17:52:00 UTC
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As with most concepts, I think this one could go really well or it could be a mess, depending on how it's handled in-context. I have some questions to that effect, not necessarily to be answered now, but to think about. They pretty much all boil down to "why is this important?", but I'll specify:
1) First and foremost, she's disabled. If you're planning for her to be a field agent, how are you going to handle that? If the disguise generator fixes it so she can get around all right, then what is the point of having her be crippled in the first place; but on the other hand, if it doesn't, how will she face physical challenges that may arise? I think the latter option is a more interesting choice, but it does present potential pitfalls. If she literally can't carry her weight in the story, how long will it stay interesting?
1.2) Similar questions about her being an albino/vampire. Does she burn up and die in the sunlight? Does she crave blood? In short, how will this affect her, and how will she cope with it? If the only downside is cosmetic and it won't challenge her at all in the course of the spin-off, why bother including it?
2) Her personality: how have all her traits and history led to it? How did she get to be an arrogant, take-charge person with all the physical, physiological, and presumably psychological obstacles she faces? Parental encouragement, good friends, that one really awesome teacher...? How does it all fit together?
3) The name: is there any reason why her parent(s) chose Moonracer Roxanne, and is it ever going to come up? If not, how much is she going to harp on about it anyway? If a lot, it will be annoying. If not at all, why not just have her be named Anna?
And that's pretty much it. None of this is meant to be discouraging, but just as some stuff to think about. It's okay to have things about a character that just are (Nume has green glasses because that's the only decent option I could find when I first used a dollmaker to do an image of him), but the big, stand-out things need to have a reason behind them and a function in your storytelling. Heck, even the little things tend to grow significance over time (Nume's favorite color is green—he's human enough to have a favorite color), so make sure they're things that make sense. {= )
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on 2012-03-01 20:47:00 UTC
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1-1.2. The bad leg could be a bit of a problem, yes. I mostly put that in there to cancel out the dhampir superpowers. Dhampir are stronger, faster, and so on than your average human. And I didn't want Anna to be little-miss-half-vampire-Sue. So she has about half the drawbacks of being a vampire, none of the benefits, and a whole NOTHER set of problems on top of that.
Benefits: A little more resilient to cuts, bruises, etc. than average. That's about it.
Drawbacks: Does, indeed, crave blood. Does NOT burn in sunlight, but has very weak eyes- sort of like a drow elf. Since her body is trying to behave as if it's alive and dead at the same time, her mitochondria don't really work properly and her immune system is shot. She gets tired EXTREMELY easily, picks up every disease that comes along the pike, and generally is (physically) a HUGE liability. In the RP canon we had her in, she also dies young, because her body just can't take the strain anymore. Like, I think in our main storyline, she barely makes it to 30. And... I think it's definitely a challenge to her, because of all this crap.
The OTHER thing is, she's the kid of two RP characters. Prussia from Hetalia and a (female- NO mpreg kthxbai) vampire. You know the type. *sigh* It seemed like a good idea at the time. So that's the ooc explication for why.
2. Ooh, this is the hard one. >.> Lol. Here's what I've got... She's the daughter of PRUSSIA and the niece of GERMANY. Stubbornness, assertiveness, and such runs in the family as is. (They're nations, they're horribly stereotypical.) Anna is actually, by her (nuclear) family's standards, kind of shy and a wallflower... She had to learn to get loud FAST, or she got drowned out. Anna really wants people to take her seriously (a lot of smart girls do), and her odd appearance doesn't help. Since she's still fairly young (about 16), she thinks that being loud and assertive and such will HELP people take her seriously and think she's interesting and important. Her Uncle Luddy- That's Germany, for you Hetalia fans- also encouraged this, because he was sort of training her as a soldier. She really looks up to him... her dad's a bit crazy and unreliable, and her mum's even worse. Germany is at least stable, and normal, and sane... worryingly so, he's saner than Jeremy Clockson, but she likes the normalcy.
3. Moonracer = Her dad was a HUGE Transformers nut. Her older brother is named 'Megatron Fritz Beilschmidt'. If she was a little boy, she would have gotten named 'Starscream'. As is, Moonracer was the only female Transformer I could find in ten minutes of googling. It's not going to come up too much, she might allude to 'even MY real name's not that bad' at a particularly speshul Suename... UNLESS they get sent on a mission to a Transformers fic. Then she's going to die a little inside, the way that (say) Acacia dies a little inside when sent into a Borimir hatefic. She LOATHES Transformers with EVERY. FIBRE. OF HER BEING.
Forgot. Her fandoms:
Axis Powers Hetalia, sort of. She started out as a sort of side character from that fandom, and she's very... protective of the characters. Especially Germany, Prussia, and Old Fritz. She LOATHES Germancest and sporks it every chance she gets. 'Cos, you know, it's her DAD and her UNCLE.
The Neverending Story. This book was her childhood; she loves it to death. It was her favorite growing up, and, yes, she has a bit of a fangirl crush on Atreyu. More to the point, there's LOADS of bad Neverending Story fic out there that needs to be burned with fire. -
Hum... by
on 2012-03-02 17:08:00 UTC
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I can't really picture her as a field agent. From what you write, I doubt that she would be sent out. I don't think she could chase after runaway characters, for example. Or going in hazardous environments without a hazmat suit.
Another thing: "I mostly put that in there to cancel out the dhampir superpowers."
Don't throw in weaknesses just so that you have weaknesses. You were afraid to make her overpowered, but now she's almost underpowered (for a field agent, at least). -
Another thing. (Axis Powers Hetalia knowledge required.) by
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What occured to me: APH. I don't know that much about it, but I doubt any of the characters were huge Transformers nuts. What you describe sounds more like badfic versions of the canons involved. I mean, there is already a noncanon vampire involved, so...
Can anyone here validate how IC Germany and Prussia are in that description? Because if the "real" nation-tans are vastly different, that should be noted. It could, for example, be a bit of a shock for Anna to find out that Germany and Prussia aren't at all like she remembers them.
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>.> About that... by
on 2012-03-02 21:33:00 UTC
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It's a pretty commmonly held piece of fanon that Prussia likes Transformers, from what I can tell. Just like it's a commonly held piece of fanon in the Potterverse that Beauxbatons is a girls' school and Durmstrang is a boy's school, even though in the books there's boys and girls from both schools. (Movie canon is a witch.) We DID overexaggerate this, slightly. But only SLIGHTLY.
Germany is pretty IC in our roleplay, we didn't use him much. Prussia... is IC, but we exaggerated him a bit. -
Your comparison is a bit wonky. by
on 2012-03-02 21:54:00 UTC
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Well, if the books say that Beauxbatons and Durmstrang are mixed schools, then this piece of fanon is just wrong. Does that mean that Prussia liking Transformers is just as wrong? You confuse me.
And even if it works... is Prussia enough of a douchebag to give his children names like that? Really? -
Ermm... by
on 2012-03-03 04:01:00 UTC
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Well... Okay, really bad comparison, I was just trying to think of something that's as wide-spread. It's more like... Um... Like ScoRose or something. IDK.
...Thing is, in-canon, one of Prussia's friends is Japan. (They're both Axis Powers, and they both have a penchant for random cute things. This is canon.) So the idea is, Japan got Prussia into Transformers, too.
...Sadly, yes. Yes, he is. This is the guy who... Well, the word 'doitsbag' was NOT coined for Germany. He refers to his 'vital regions' *ahem* as his 'five meters'. Often. In mixed company. He likes to harass people. Especially his brother, and Hungary and Austria, either of which may be his romantic interests. He lives in his brother's basement, and only comes out to bother/annoy various people.
So yes... it is TOTALLY in character to give his kids MORONIC names, just to be a troll. -
Uhm... no. by
on 2012-03-03 14:09:00 UTC
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You have to realize there is a big difference between "harassing people and being annoying" or "bragging about penis size" and "mentally scarring one's own non-canon children for life because of some fanon". And yes, I know APH (canon, not fanon) well enough to say this.
The thing is that what you're saying sounds dangerously close to the excuses the authors of the badfic the PPC usually targets make a lot of the time to justify the bad ideas they stuff into their stories - just because a theory is popular in fandom, or because you really want a character to act this way, doesn't mean that the character won't act completely OOC.
Another thing that kind of worries me is your stance on shipping you mentioned in your introduction thread - you ship characters, even though you don't even know the canon they're from well enough? That's (at least in my opinion) not a very good thing to do - you should at least know the relationships between canon characters and the context they're in before you attempt to haphazardly put characters together.
Your agent is not very suited to be a PPC agent - both because you apparently try so hard to cancel out the traits that make her special with forced weaknesses that she essentially becomes useless as a field agent, and she also becomes more speshul that way than if you just left her as a normal dhampir. You say that you read the Original Series as well as the Wiki, but I still have the feeling that you don't really get what the PPC is actually about yet.
"Liking a canon" and "knowing a canon enough to differentiate canon from fanon" are two different things, and you often need to do extensive research into a canon in order to recognize when something violates canon - even if it means sinking ships or letting go of fanon you really loved. I know it's hard to detach yourself emotionally from a fanon theory you really became attached to, but if it goes beyond "it's all in good fun" into "the character doesn't act OOC because of this fanon", it gets a little worrisome.
I apologize if I sound harsh or cruel when saying all of the above, but this is something one needs to keep in mind when approaching a canon, especially one you are very fond of. -
So... by
on 2012-03-03 13:44:00 UTC
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Okay. Now which parts of this are canon and which are fanon?
Just because something is a popular belief within the fandom, that doesn't make it canon. Don't mix this up. -
Guys, can we tone down the harshness, please? by
on 2012-03-03 18:41:00 UTC
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EF and Flare, I'm not disagreeing with any of the points you're making, but it wouldn't hurt to be nicer about it. Less ordering and declaring, more recommending and opining would do for a start, and if you feel the need to apologize for potential harshness, that's probably a good sign that you should take a step back and edit before posting. AnnaBee's been quite reasonable about discussing this character, and she's clearly put thought into it, even if it doesn't necessarily hold up, so let's be reasonable in return. The clue-by-four should be reserved only for people who don't listen to reason first.
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Thanks, Neshomeh. by
on 2012-03-03 19:11:00 UTC
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Actually, I feel honoured. Anna is kind of my guilty-pleasure-borderline-Sue... Born and raised in a badfic, and she's one of the WORST of the aforementioned badfic charries. (You know, with the whole girl-genius thing and borderline-crappy childhood.) So if these are the only things you can skewer me on... the problems with the setting, and not so much the characterization... I feel good. :)
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Re: Thanks, Neshomeh. by
on 2012-03-04 10:01:00 UTC
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Her origin, as much as you described it, is an issue you never really got to.
Her father and uncle, are, I'm sure different in canon than they are in a cracky crossover RP. So does she even relate to the real characters or just to the RP versions? Sure, she would be squicked out by seeing the characters she knows as her father and uncle to do it, but she wouldn't necessarily relate to them as she did to the versions she knew.
Also: You said she craves blood. Does that mean she's prone to jumping people at random or is she in control of her urges? How about drinking from sick people? Can she get sick from that? -
Heh. by
on 2012-03-04 00:47:00 UTC
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There's little as satisfying as taking a formerly awful character and making them something to be proud of. Good luck!
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Um. by
on 2012-03-03 14:07:00 UTC
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Most Definitely Canon: The 'five meters' thing. *shudder* The friends with France thing. The pestering people thing. The friends with Japan thing. The 'cute things' thing. In canon, he actually has a little pet bird that lives in his hair. xD
Ambiguously Canon: The 'lives in his brother's basement' thing. History backs this one up (which is pretty much canon for Hetalia. You know how it is.) and so does Prussia's 'official blog'. The show only goes until 1940-something, but Prussia isn't a country anymore. So, we know he's still around, because of the author-created official blog. But no one quite knows how. So the fandom cracks jokes about how he lives in Germany's basement.
The definite fanon: Any romantic pairings (it's always just heavily implied), the Transformers thing. -
Potential answer by
on 2012-03-01 16:20:00 UTC
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First off, welcome. Haven't gotten around to greeting you in the official thread, but whatever.
To answer you question: No one ever said you had to bring your character over from that RP exactly how she was in the RP. You can (and should) edit, tweak, and re-imagine until you have a character that you are comfortable using. I'm sure you can find someone around here to go over the concept with, to get get some feedback on how to de-Sueify that character.
Also, you have lots of time. No need to rush it on creating agents.
-Phobos
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New Floaters Interlude! by
on 2012-03-01 22:36:00 UTC
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In which Anneli, Cindy, and Xanthus deal with the aftermath of their Subject 23 mission:
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=194UoSF08Uo29q1cYhijwzhWpukedSAYn90ZApxYiZUQ
This interlude also includes a rather lengthy scene involving Ilraen-Aroline-Fothergill, with whom I collaborated on Neshomeh with. Thanks very much, Nesh! :D
So anyway, this is the return to my Floaters RC after their recent mission to assassinate Subject 23.
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Re: Interlude by
on 2012-03-02 05:24:00 UTC
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There was some tricky, serious dialogue in this interlude. It's difficult to get characters talking when they're all trying to dance around a problem like this, but I think you handled it well and kept everyone's lines realistic.
I also liked the dream sequence opening. The details were very vivid, which brought to life, for me, why it was so harrowing for Cindy.
Now, uh . . . I'm a little disappointed in Xanthus and Anneli for never thinking to bring Cindy to FicPsych. I understand them wanting to take care of her on her own, and I realize she would have resisted every step of the way. However, I still think the other two agents should have at least brought it up as a possibility. It just seems a little overly stubborn to me that they never even discuss trying to get Cindy there.
Finally, some mistakes I caught:
A "to" is missing from here somewhere. (strive not to repeat)
The ending . . . uh, greater than sign? Andalite . . . talky . . . thingy. Is, uh, missing. Off the end there. (>)
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FicPsych by
on 2012-03-02 17:30:00 UTC
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I'm kind of surprised it never occurred to me to get FicPsych involved, now that you mention it. On the other hand, though, even if I knew a friend of mine was having trouble, if they wouldn't talk to me about it I'm not sure my next reaction would be "okay then, I must make them get therapy." That's kind of a personal decision, and making a suggestion like that to someone who's already in a sensitive state might alienate them even further.
I mean, if it looked like Cindy was suicidal or otherwise likely to harm herself, then yeah, they should have called for help, but that wasn't the case. I think it's plausible that they were so wrapped up in their worries that an outside solution couldn't occur to them. These things happen.
Also, they can't stubbornly not do something that was never even brought up. {= P
Otherwise, thanks for the catch on "to."
Like Herr says, the greater-than is deliberately absent there, following the rule for paragraph breaks within a single speech. It does look weird with different punctuation, though, I agree. O.o
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Re: Interlude feedback by
on 2012-03-03 01:38:00 UTC
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I guess for me, the whole torture-of-a-friend thing would feel like something I couldn't deal with on my own, so my instinct would have been to turn to FicPsych. But again, that's my personal thought process, and probably not relevant to people with better emotional/social skills than me (read: all real and fictional persons).
Sorry about the confusion with the >. I didn't catch that Ilrean's dialogue continued from there. -
Hmm by
on 2012-03-03 19:18:00 UTC
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I think that's definitely valid, but I don't know that it applies to Xanthus and Anneli. The fact that it doesn't come up in the narrative may be an issue—something to point out that they just never thought of it, and why, mightn't have gone amiss, though I don't personally find it necessary—but I think a case can be made for any psychological reaction you can think of. I'm taking issue with judging the characters as people rather than judging the narrative choice. Does that make sense?
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Thanks for the feedback! by
on 2012-03-02 13:52:00 UTC
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Yeah, the dialogue gave me a bit of a hard time with trying to make it flow naturally, especially as it got closer to Cindy and Ilraen's conversation.
Hm... I'll admit I never thought about FicPsych and how they'd fit in until the neuralyzation bit involving Thane. So blame that on me. I added a short blurb, so hopefully that'll do it.
I added the 'to' that was missing there. As for the missing greater than sign, it's not there because it segues immediately into the next line of dialogue, which is also from Ilraen. -
Excellent by
on 2012-03-02 02:13:00 UTC
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That was a most Excellent piece of writing. Very emotional and very well done. Most definitely entertaining to read!
In short, Excellent Job!
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off-topic seige weapons by
on 2012-03-01 23:02:00 UTC
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Me and a couple of engineering geeks made a trebuchet. Just so we're clear, this is not a "cute" balsa wood affair- the pivot is five feet off the ground, the arm is ten feet in length, and the sling is an additional three. The weight box is designed to hold ~375 pounds. However, we have a bit of a problem. We can't decide what to name the damn thing. Any suggestions?
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How about... by
on 2012-03-03 05:22:00 UTC
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Trebu-Che Guevara? Or possibly the 'Pumpkin Acceleration Device,' or P.A.D.
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Too many good ideas for this thing! (nm) by
on 2012-03-03 19:22:00 UTC
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Oh, that's awesome. by
on 2012-03-02 18:10:00 UTC
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Can you link to pictures at some point? Do you have chosen targets?
For a name-- it was the name of a battering ram, not a catapult or trebuchet, but Grond is the only named siege weapon in the Siege of Gondor. -
thanks! by
on 2012-03-02 22:58:00 UTC
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Thank you! I hope to get pics up soon, maybe at the test launch next weekend. The as-of-yet-unnamed-thing is for shooting pumpkins on Halloween, and whatever else is available other times of the year. As for targets- nothing definite yet. I think we're just gonna clear the range and chuck stuff for a good while before we can calibrate this thing to even hit the broad side of a barn.
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Er... by
on 2012-03-02 16:29:00 UTC
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Maybe Terry-buchet?
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Discworld by
on 2012-03-03 00:15:00 UTC
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or Big Mary?
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Watch out for the ginger. *snicker* (nm) by
on 2012-03-03 14:33:00 UTC
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Re: off-topic seige weapons by
on 2012-03-02 07:14:00 UTC
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Nex.
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I'd go with Abner, Wilbur, or Fabio, myself. (nm) by
on 2012-03-02 00:43:00 UTC
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One idea by
on 2012-03-01 23:42:00 UTC
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Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfernschpleden-schlitter-crasscrenbon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-spelltinkle-grandlich-grumblemeyer-spelterwasser-kurstlich-himbleeisen-bahnwagen-gutenabend-bitte-ein-nurnburger-bratwustle-gerspurten-mitz-weimache-luber-hundsfut-gumberaber-shonendanker-kalbsfleisch-mittler-aucher von Hautkopft of Ulm
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*like* by
on 2012-03-03 15:00:00 UTC
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Impressive. Most impressive.
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all of my yes by
on 2012-03-02 00:12:00 UTC
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adopted!
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Re: off-topic seige weapons by
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Little Sally.
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good one! (nm) by
on 2012-03-01 23:33:00 UTC
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It sounds good! I can say it while twitching my eye, which is an added bonus. (nm)
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naming of names by
on 2012-03-01 23:03:00 UTC
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puns appreciated, but not required.
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March Read & Review Challenge! by
on 2012-03-01 23:36:00 UTC
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It's National Reading Month here in the States, and in NeshomehLand, it's also PPC Challenge Month, when I come up with random things to stir people out of the late-winter, not-yet-spring doldrums and do stuff. Some years. When I feel like it. >.>
This year, I figured why not take advantage of the fact that March is Reading Month to encourage some airing of older PPC spin-offs? And then I thought, what's reading without reviewing? Hey, I can totally make a game of that! And here it is, presented on the secondary board so we don't have to worry about it falling off the front page. {= )
How Does This Work?
1. Pick a spin-off (or other PPC narrative work, I guess) by an author you've never read before. This is important—half the point of this challenge is to increase exposure to stuff.
2. Read at least one installment in it.
3. Write a review.
4. If the author has someplace to leave reviews directly on the story, such as FF.net or LiveJournal, leave the review there where they can see it and post a link to it in a reply to this thread. If not, just post the whole review here with a link to the story.
5. Earn points!
6. Rinse and repeat until 11:59 pm Board time, March 31.
What Do You Mean, Points?
Each review you make for this challenge will earn points based on how helpful it is. To earn points, a review MUST include:
* At least one thing you thought was done well, and why.
* At least one thing you thought could be done better, and why.
A review WILL NOT earn points if:
* Any mention at all is made of how much the badfic or the Sue or whatever deserved to die, or how glad you are that someone killed it. This has nothing to do with the quality of the PPC story, and it's a bad habit some of you are in. Please break yourselves of it.
* Any bashing of the badfic author or anyone else takes place.
* I don't see it. As stated above, please post your review or a link to it in a reply to this thread.
For point-earning comments, "why" should include specifics like how the thing in question made you feel, the style choice(s) the author used (or could have used), how it impacts the section or story as a whole, and any other evidence for why it works or doesn't work. The success or failure of a story element should be measured by how strongly it affected you, the reader, and whether the effect seems to match the author's intent. Authors who care about their writing want to know these things; your review should tell them.
Each positive or negative will be worth 1-3 points, depending on how specific and clear it is and, for negatives in particular, whether it tells the author something they can use. For example:
* "This didn't work for me because I'm not really a fan of first person." - This meets the what-and-why requirement, but since it's a personal opinion and doesn't have anything else to say for itself, it would only be worth one point. Personal opinions are valid, but not very helpful to the author without substantiation.
* "First person doesn't work so well for me; I think it would be better if you used third person instead, since it gives you more freedom with what you can show." - This would probably get two points. It's a little clearer about what the problem is (lack of narrative freedom) and gives a general direction for improvement (show more), but lacks specificity.
* "This scene didn't work for me because the first-person narrative made me feel boxed into one character's head. I think there could have been more comedy in experiencing the other agent's reaction when their lust-object was thrown out of character, given how crazy he was acting, but instead the POV agent just shrugged it off and moved on, and I was stuck with her. It let the air out of the situation, and it took me out of the moment." - This would be worth probably three points, since in addition to the what-and-why, it specifically gives a reason for disliking the style (feeling trapped) and offers a suggestion for improvement (include more of the other character's side) while pointing out a specific case where the technique failed (lust-object OOC).
The same principles can be applied to positive comments, too. A three-point positive comment might look like this: "The first-person narrative really worked for me. I felt in touch with the POV character's emotions the whole time, especially when her LO was thrown out of character and her heart started pounding like that. I could almost feel the fingernails digging into her palms as if they were my own. You just don't get the same visceral details in third-person. Good choice!"
For further reference, I picked out something I'd never read before to review and did my best to make three-point comments, though I won't presume to score myself. The spin-off is "Just Like The Old Days PPC" by Agent Mackenzie, a.k.a. Gabrielle, and I reviewed chapter two, since the first chapter is a prologue. Sadly, it turned out to be somewhat negative overall, but I took it as an opportunity to put more emphasis on offering suggestions for improvement rather than simply saying why things didn't work. I hope it comes off that way.
There is no point limit per review. The person who accumulates the most points over the course of the month wins! I don't know yet what the reward will be. How about you and I come up with something appropriate when we get there, future winner? If you're comfortable giving out a mailing address, there are more options. Chocolate comes to mind. Or whatever. We'll talk. {= )
Anticipated Questions
I suspect these are coming, so I'll try to get them answered up front:
Q. Do I need Permission?
A. Heck no. Nobody ever needs permission to read things or write reviews around here.
Q. What if I've read everything already?
A. I has a dubious. The Complete List of PPC Fiction has an awful lot of stuff in it, not to mention keeping up with the new releases. There's bound to be something you've missed. If you've really devoured the PPC whole, though, congratulations. Pick anything that isn't by a currently active writer and looks under-read, I guess.
Q. Can I use the Original Series for this?
A. ... If you've made it to the Board without having read any of the Original Series yet, I admit I'm disappointed in you. However, I also STRONGLY encourage you to use the opportunity to remedy the situation now, so yes, if you haven't read it yet, you can use it for this.
Q. What if I really can't think of anything good/bad/at all to say?
A. Think harder. This is important—it's the other half of the point of this challenge. If you need ideas for things to comment on, try these (items blatantly snurched from something Miah posted a while back):
* The plot
* The characters
* The action
* The dialogue
* The background
* The overall story
* The theme
* The technical details (spelling, grammar, PPC or other canon details), etc.
Q. Isn't this whole "points" thing kind of arbitrary if you're the only judge?
A. Yeah, it totally is. I've tried to make my criteria very clear, and I will stick to them, but tell you what: if you find you strongly disagree with me a lot, you can run the challenge next time. {= D
Q. What if I just decide to make a gazillion reviews with a squillion one-point comments?
A. Please don't. The idea is to reward good, thoughtful, constructive reviews, not winning for winning's sake. If I think you're deliberately trying to break the game in this or any other way, I will throw you out of the running.
Q. Can I make multiple reviews for one spin-off, if there are multiple installments?
A. I debated over this one, but yes, that's fine. Beware, however, I may not give you points for saying the same things you said about previous installments unless it's very clear why they need to be repeated. It might be easier to review something new each time.
If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask! I hope this will be fun, and I know I have more fun when I understand what the heck is going on. ^_^
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Lócë and Infinity, Mission 2 by
on 2012-03-30 18:02:00 UTC
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Mission link: http://alania-ppc.livejournal.com/1251.html
This is a ST:TOS Mary Sue mission.
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Overall, I liked this mission. The Curse Of The Redshirt was handled well; Infinity is justified in interpreting the events as ordinary clumsiness and/or ill fortune, and Lócë is justified in interpreting the events as Redshirt Effect.
It seemed a bit odd that Lócë tried to change his disguise through the RA, instead of using a DORKS, but this is a mission from 2006. I don't see a date for the DORKS' invention on the wiki, but it's certainly possible that when the mission was written going through the RA (and the console) was the only way to alter a disguise.
However, I have to wonder what Infinity is doing in the Department of Mary Sues. Vulcans may be generally non-violent, but they are capable of killing and practice a canon martial art with at least one deadly maneuver. Infinity's extreme pacifism, in and of itself, isn't bad. But it makes me wonder why she signed on to be an Assassin in the first place. It seems a bit late for her to be objecting to the job requirements. -
Dee and Milask, mission one by
on 2012-03-10 19:57:00 UTC
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I'm not sure who wrote these. I didn't see the author listed on the mission heading, or anywhere on the wiki, so I don't believe I have read this author before. I know I have never read these agents before. This is more negative than I would normally like to be, but I have tried to include the things that I liked and thought were well done.
Notes in parenthesis, while generally entertaining became distracting and brought me out of the story when they were happening in multiple, successive paragraphs. There were a total of twenty of these in this mission. I have a personal bad habit of wanting to make this kinds of statements when I talk or chat. I usually manage to cut them down in chat, you're just out of luck if you talk to me directly, anyway I know the temptation to use these, but they really make the writing look amateurish. If it was perhaps one or maybe even two in the mission, it would probably be tolerable, but twenty is way too many.
I'm not sure how Dee could think that Milask is a pet if he is the same kind of cat as Cat on Red Dwarf was. Cat was very clearly more humanoid than feline.
Dee is really not making a very good impression on me. I think she is trying to be funny, but she is really coming across as unneccesarily mean. It started with continuing on the pet thread after being told several times that Milask is not a pet, asking if he needed a litter box, and just generally not listening to him, and then the comment below, was almost funny. It made me think of the Cat and his wardrobe, but the 'I don't wanna!' whining followed by her stating that being nice is no fun, ruined the funny for me. I like reading about nice people most of the time. At least when it is people that are not nice, I like them to be up front about it. Nume is not particularly nice, but he tells you about it. Orken tries very hard to not be nice, and he also is up front about it. I guess I don't want to empathize very much with characters that are sneakily not nice.
"Great, not only was her partner not of the same species, but he was vain also. The list just went on and on... 'Be nice,' her inner voice admonished. 'But I don't wanna!' she whined. Being nice, or attempting to be nice, was no fun.
"I get the picture," said Milask, putting up his hand in annoyance.
And now we have Milask being short when Dee wasn't being particularly annoying.
Milask went down on all fours and chased after Harry,
Admittedly, I haven't seen the seventh and eighth series of Red Dwarf, but I can't imagine Cat ever getting down on all fours to chase anything. Whinging about how could anyone expect him to chase anything in a suit like this, would be something I would expect. 'What and mess up this hair?' I can imagine him saying. One of my favorite scenes with the Cat is early on, he has a little spray bottle and he's walking down the halls spritzing everything. "This is mine. And this is mine. And this is mine. And this is mine, too. Oh look, this is MINE." He certainly wasn't pulling down his drawers and using bodily fluids. And that was the thing that made him so funny for me. He was acting like such a cat, while at the same time showing that his species had evolved into something so much more.
COMPLETE CHARACTER RUPTURE IMMINENT!!!!! DANGER WILL ROBINSON DANGER!!!]
Dee raised her eyebrows: Makes-Things had obviously been watching too much Lost in Space.
I liked this one. It made me smile, and there were no odd agent reactions pulling me back from smiling about it.
"You're not a feline! At least... not right ...now," she said, looking him up and down. Damn tall person (who used to be a cat). Actually... he didn't look too bad as a human...
What is this? The Cat on Red Dwarf was just a catboy, not a shapeshifter. This is really becoming my complete focus in reading this mission. It has distracted me totally away from the badfic and the sporking.
"And ruin my robes? I don't think so. Look, a crease!" Milask grabbed a mini iron from his backpack (who knows what he was doing with it on a PPC mission) and ironed the crease out of the robe.
Now THAT is the kind of reaction I was looking for!
"Chocolate?" asked Dee. "Nothing in this story makes sense and it's better to not analyze it too much." Chocolate is the answer to all your problems. When in pain, have some chocolate.
I almost feel like she has forgotten to be nasty here.Like she might accidentally be being nice without feeling like it is a terrible thing.
This had absolutely the shortest exorcism I've ever read. One whack with a book, and one order, and it's completely over with. I know they tend to be more drawn out now, sometimes too much so, but this seemed anti-climatic...right up until there was another more elaborate exorcism, with the expected author wraith. Which confuses me. Why did they go back to being in-character with one smack, and then have to have the phantom exorcised after that?
The ending scene with the General Store was nice. I was immediately interested in Leto. He's taking pride in the simple state of having things neat and tidy. I can imagine him standing at the counter looking over things in a proprietary manner. Then he goes on with the blurb about the minis not getting along, and the problems it would cause, followed by the feeling of responsibility he feels toward keeping the PPC on its feet by supplying sanity supporting vices to the agents. I've seen the General Store mentioned many times, mostly on the wiki, but I've never read actual characterization of it in a mission, and this was very nice. My agents might visit it now that I've watched this scene as I read it.
Overall impressions: The issues with Milask at the beginning of the mission really, really bothered me. By the end of the mission, these had improved drastically. It almost felt like perhaps, the author was working from a distant memory in the first half of the mission, and then re-watched some episodes of Red Dwarf and began basing Milask's characterization on that. The improvement between what I expected from Milask being a Red Dwarf cat and how he actually behaved was drastic to the point of that it actually made me stop and stare at the story when he did something that would have been in-character for the Cat.
Dee didn't make a good impression on me at first either, and I am not sure that I can easily forget that first impression. With Milask, the issues were more technical, like his species shouldn't look like that, that reaction isn't right, etc. It wasn't a problem with Milask as a character so much as a problem of cognitive dissonance between Milask as written and the statement that he was a Red Dwarf Cat. With Dee, the problem was very much one of her characterization. I found several intances, which I pointed out, where I just didn't like her as a person. When she later behaved without the nasty comments, I was left wondering where they went.
Come to think about it, her nastiness was replaced with nearly unbridled lustiness at about the same time that Milask started acting more like a Red Dwarf Cat. I am now thinking that this mission was almost certainly written in two sessions, probably separated by a good chunk of time. The second session was much improved over the first. To be honest, I never would have finished reading this mission, if I hadn't told myself that I was going to do this concrit piece on it. And if I had stopped, I never would have read that excellent General Store section at the end.
The second half of the mission had me thinking that this agent pair might be worth reading again, and the General Store section clenched it. I will give them another shot. -
'The Crusader King' by
on 2012-03-09 04:04:00 UTC
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((Terri's work again - I'm just the brain behind her))
From the Personal Files of Terri Ryan, Department of Personnel
Well, I've been issued an informal warning by the R&R Division. Apparently my justification for breaking the structure of my last review was insufficient, and I failed to mention sufficient items. I'll try to do better this time. I'm going to be using a primarily chronological structure, with one alteration to fit the recommended Good-Bad-Good pattern.
Mission: PPC Crusade/The Crusader King
Agents: Arthur Briggs and Lynn Gillies, DMS
Straight off the mark, this mission was highly immersive. Just after the agents receive their mission, we see the following exchange:
You’re the only one in this RC with canon knowledge, which makes you primary agent for this mission.”
“Me?” Gillies squeaked. She cleared her throat and tried again. “But I’m not a full agent yet.”
“That doesn’t matter. The Duty is what’s important, and in this case you’re best suited to perform it."
This simple dialogue gives me a perfect feel for the agents. I could immediately contrast Gillies, squeaking and uncertain, with Briggs, saying 'the Duty is what's important'. The former is still settling into the PPC, while the latter, with his military background, is right at home. I immediately felt I knew the pair of them - and that I cared about what happened to them. All from a few lines of dialogue that let character flow through.
I also found myself drawn in in a different manner. This mission didn't feel like it took place in isolation: it was firmly part of a larger world. Two examples:
“In that case, you program the disguises while I visit the Canon Library."
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[Present Tense Detected. Revert Agents To Past Tense Y/N?]
Briggs sighed as the reset took effect. “Much better. Once you make full Agent, see if you can talk DoSAT into adding a tense stabiliser to your CAD.”
Now, I'm not just quoting these because of my affection for the subjects of them, although that certainly plays a part. The Canon Librarian is a lot like me, insofar as I know anything about him, so it's good to see him getting some attention. The tense stabiliser first appeared on DOGA-modified CADs - I didn't realise it had gone into mass production. But that's not the point here.
The point is, I really get a feel for how the wider world of HQ impacts on this agent pair. I can now imagine them having friends and enemies, favourite haunts and secret shortcuts - not because of anything I know about them, but because their narrative so casually drops in pieces of their - our - world. This is clearly something they are intimately involved with, not just sitting on the outskirts of.
Oh, and it helps that they mention DOGA later by name. Pyro Department, getting the love.
Unfortunately, not everything is positive. While character-defining moments like my first quote exist, they are swamped by the fact that much of the dialogue can be split into two categories: charges, and infodumps.
Charges are important, we all know that, but there is more to a mission than the charge list. What I want to see is the agents' reactions to what happens, not simply the pigeonhole they slot it into. At its worst, this report descends into merely ticking boxes - literally, in fact, since Briggs is described as 'checking off' Thesaurus Abuse. This does not make for fascinating reading, unfortunately, and it foreshadows another problem: the entire list is quotes at the end, in massive block quotes.
There are two issues here. Firstly, how to deal with charges? I believe they don't all need to be mentioned. It is assumed that there is a list - that's a PPC Agent's job, after all - so it doesn't particularly need mentioning. Certainly the more amusing ones should be brought up - there is a scene where Briggs and Gillies discuss with evident satisfaction a pair of charges raised in a single time-jump, and it is entertaining to say the least - but the majority can pass unmarked.
Then there is the recitation. I know it's fashionable among some agents to create the largest list possible, but really, we don't need to see it. Read it to the 'Sue, by all means, but don't make me sit through it. Rather, edit what actually happened a little. Give me the highlights, the interesting bits, the collated and condensed version, and I'll read it. Give me the whole thing, and I'll skip ahead.
Then there are the infodumps. On the one hand, one agent is unfamiliar with the canon - and since this is the only Belgariad mission report I've ever seen, I imagine many casual readers are too. In that respect, a certain amount of information has to be provided. And, I must admit, Gillies handles it better than some - she breaks her dumps into small sections, allowing me time to recover in between, and theoretically absorb what I'm given. However, there are so many of them. Is all the information necessary? I don't know. Could it be condensed, cut down to the bare essentials and the funny parts? I suspect so.
But overall, I did enjoy this report. Possibly my favourite moment came near the end: in order to research something, Agent Briggs sent a letter to the Medical Department - using one of the lanterns said to be 'filing the room'. Not everyone would even have caught the typo (and as we know, agent observation has a massive effect on badfic canon), but Briggs used it to his advantage. Once again I gained insight into him, and saw his place in the larger world of the PPC - all through a simple piece of utility.
-T. Ryan, Dept. of Personnel, DOGA Archivist -
Okay, why not? by
on 2012-03-09 02:31:00 UTC
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((I hope you don't mind, but I'm handing the actual work of reviewing off to Terri. She's more interesting than me))
From the Personal Files of Terri Ryan, Department of Personnel
Everyone in DOGA (or DoGA, or DGA, or the Pyro Department, or whatever we're calling it this week) keeps telling me I need to get a hobby. Actually they usually tell me I need to get a life, but since I spend every waking hour filing their mission reports, complaints and sundries (a word I have come to detest), a hobby is the best I can do. Actually I shouldn't even be doing this, but I have an excuse. A package of old mission reports from across the PPC was delivered to the Archives this morning for some unknown reason, and I need to read them all to figure out what's going on. Since I'm doing that, I figure I might as well review them too.
Mission: Suebusters/For Gondor and Rohan
Agents: Cara Fielding & Miriam Collins, DMS
I have to say I found this mission a little dull to read about (although I note that one of the agents involved said much the same thing - I suppose boring is better than fatally exciting, right?). The main reason for this is that all the interesting moments appear to be glossed over. For example, during the Council I read that the entire courtyard turn[ed] gold when the 'Sue appeared. From Miriam's next line, I inferred that this was due to a line of bad narrative - but I am given no clue as to what it was. This happens every time Suvian prose is invoked. She gives a Sue-like description of the Lady Galadriel, but again, I don't get to find out what it says.
The main issue I have with this is that pure agent reaction doesn't hold my interest very well. I want to be entertained, and I want to be able to laugh at the badfic myself. There is little worse than seeing someone else in stitches over a joke I haven't heard. I understand the agents' purpose, I think - they want to be the focus, not simply characters in an MST - but I believe they would be more interesting if we knew what they were reacting to, not simply how.
Another issue I noticed is one I shall be passing on to the Department of Redundancy Department: lacking anything from the badfic to describe, the narrative sometimes takes to narrating the agents' dialogue. For example:
While it was understandable given the plagiarism, 0% OOC readings across the board (with the exception of the Sue, of course) were still unusual.
"Huh, everyone's totally in character so far," she noted, raising an eyebrow at the CAD with a small amount of disbelief. "That's strange."
The rule of 'Show, don't tell' seems to have been altered by these agents into 'show and tell'. Wait, was that too harsh? I've not exactly practiced this. I think the actual issue is one of 'Who knows what and how': the CAD informs one agent of an occurance, and that agent tells her partner. The problem is, both events didn't need to be narrated. It broke the flow of the mission for me. Even if this is what actually happened, to quote another rule, sometimes 'Less is more'. The dialogue would suffice, here and in other areas.
There is also an issue with narrative tension - or the lack thereof. Despite the agents' repeated warnings about the 'Sue possibly hearing them, there seems to be no danger of this happening. In one scene, Miriam taunts the Laws of Narrative Comedy - and wins. At a time when most of the Fellowship are on high alert due to approaching crebain, she sneaks into their camp, ignoring a warning from her partner, and steals their food with no consequences. Cara is alarmed, but does nothing, and nothing ever comes of the event.
Cara's warning was perfect foreshadowing, a Chekov's gun that simply didn't fire. Miriam wasn't seen. I understand that this is an accurate representation of events, but it left me feeling distinctly unsatisfied. There are two ways it could have been improved. The whole incident could have been downplayed, rather than building it up for no payoff. Alternately, and preferably, the tension could have been ramped up. If the narrative had followed Miriam rather than staying with Cara, we could have experienced her feelings: did that rock just move? I can't see Aragorn from here! What was that noise?
I hope I can be forgiven for my bad form in describing all the negatives first. I do not do this lightly - the structure of a review is practically a sacred trust - but as any member of the R&R Division of Personnel will tell you, sometimes structure must be sacrificed to dramatic necessity. The positives here are something rarely seen in mission reports, and in my opinion they far outweigh all that has gone before.
At the very beginning of the mission, we are shown Miriam's dislike for the cold. This seems to be a piece of scene-setting, with no lasting consequences - until the agents arrive at Caradhras. Here the cold issue resurfaces, and (without spoiling my second positive) leads to interaction that would not otherwise occur.
I admire the narrative consistancy shown here. A major issue with badfics is a failure to carry things forward: a wrist broken in one scene may be used to loose a bow a dozen chapters later. Here the agents, through careful use of the narrative structure, managed to create a small plot arc within their tale. It allowed me to connect more fully with the agents - to see them as people, not merely vessels for the plot. And then there's Ring Bearer...
Ring Bearer the mini-Balrog is almost a special case of the above, but he is even better used. These days minis are often ignored - they appear in one scene, then vanish, just like that broken wrist. Not Ring Bearer. I'll illustrate this with three paragraphs from widely-separated parts of the report:
Even though she wasn't usually fond of minis, Miriam almost squealed in relief, huddling just close enough to Ring Bearer for the convection to warm her without causing severe burns; warmth was one thing, being incinerated was another.
She looked around in concern for somewhere to put Ring Bearer, as - without meaning to - the mini-Balrog was starting to char the wood. In the end she asked him to wait at the bottom of the tree, where he wouldn't be able to set anything alight. Mournfully, the little Maia did as requested, though he was pacified with a promise of more bacon later.
A few clicks and whirrs and a bright flash of light later, Ring Bearer looked rather puzzled. In place of the Uruk-Hai that had picked him up, two female Elves - still wearing the same clothes - stood adjusting their backpacks. “Hey, it’s okay,” Cara grinned at him, throwing him their last piece of bacon to reassure him...
From his first appearence, this mini is not just something that happened: he becomes an integral part of the mission. The problems and advantages of dealing with a demi-angelic ball of flame are addressed: he is used for warmth on Caradhras, and later gently removed from the flet in Lorien - we even see his reactions to this. Later still, I read of his reaction to a change of disguise, and I realised this was what had been missing.
I read a mission for two reasons: to delight at the tale of agents cleaning out a badfic, and to see something new. The entertainment of the former was somewhat muted here, but, for the first time in a long time, something brand new appeared. I have never seen a mini become a character on its first appearance before - and I enjoyed it immensely. It shows how much respect the two agents have for the Word Worlds they enter, and for the creatures they encounter. By reading about their interactions with Ring Bearer, I came to truly believe that the authors were lovers of Canon, not just haters of 'Sues. And that is something I always treasure.
-T. Ryan, Dept. of Personnel, DOGA Archivist -
Almost lost this whole comment due to LJ being stupid. by
on 2012-03-04 21:40:00 UTC
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(Don't really care about winning, I'm just happy to be participating.)
A review of our solitary Indiana Jones mission by Chatvert:
http://wizkit.livejournal.com/904.html
which I tried to post there, but LJ wants . . . stuff. Or something. Which might be for the best, because this review feels disgustingly long to me.
"Greetings! Fellow PPCer doctorlit here. When I noticed we had an Indiana Jones mission, I just had to come read it!
Indiana Jones had a lot of fun minor characters (Sallah and Brody, in particular), and they got shafted pretty heavily by this badfic. I'm glad you had Kitty react to that, and gave them a bit of fan-love through her dialogue.
Kitty and Alec work very well as a PPC partnership. I especially like their dialogue. It's been a while since the agent banter in a mission kept me smiling most of the way through my reading. Alec's serious pragmatism conflicts well with Kitty's fannish excitement towards everything. At the same time, I like that both agents can slip out of their usual characterization, like when Alec references the Last Crusade dialogue during the assassination. Another example where this shines through is Kitty's reaction to being shot, immediately calming down so she could take care of herself.
One thing that made this mission a somewhat difficult read was that your writing and the badfic's writing shared the same formatting (except the bolded author's notes). With no obvious visual difference, there were paragraphs that seemed to be part of your narration, but turned out to be from the badfic as I read more. I don't know what formatting livejournal allows, but it would make for a much smoother, clearer read if you bolded or italicized the badfic quotes. This is especially important with a badfic like this one that has mostly decent SPaG.
I thought it was kind of weird for Alec Trevelyan (who our wiki tells me is from James Bond) to be casting magic spells. I went back and read his first mission to find out why he was capable of doing so, but there was no mention of magic at all. In fact, Kitty didn't display any magic there, either. It's pretty random for this magical talent to have just been dropped on the reader in the second installment of your spinoff with no explanation, even apart from the weirdness of a James Bond canon being able to do it at all.
Between this mission and that first one, I also noticed another contradiction. Kitty can barely assassinate the Bourneverse Sue without having an emotional breakdown, and admits she only managed it because she knew Alec was in danger. Then, in the beginning of this mission, Kitty is very nonchalant about picking out a weapon and says she is "getting used to" killing. It's very jarring to go from one mission to the next and have this complete turnaround in attitude. I realize I'm probably meant to assume other missions took place between these two, but it would have been a lot more satisfying to see that change in Kitty happen over time, because as it is, it feels like I've missed out on a huge chunk of Kitty's character development. That change, as well as the magic thing, should to be shown to the reader, rather than briefly mentioned as having occurred during the "commercial break."
I'm sorry this comment went on so long, especially on a two-year-old entry. Just wanted to give my thoughts on a mission in an awesome, but sadly neglected, canon.
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on 2012-03-04 23:17:00 UTC
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These ones get an exclamation mark because they actually count! Welcome to the game. {= D
1) Fan-love - 1 point. This is dangerously close to "I'm so glad you sporked that," but the second sentence saves it by making it about one of the author's writing choices (having Kitty react). However, it doesn't really get into what effect this has on the story.
2) Characterization - 3 points. Gives the what and why with specific examples, and the effect on the reader.
3) Formatting - 3 points. ... This is starting to look like an easy way to net points, since it's so simple to explain what the problem is, why, and how to fix it. {= P
4) Character development - 3 points. Again, I've lumped the last two paragraphs together. In this case, it's because no solution was given for the problem presented in the second-to-last paragraph, but the solution in the last one is explicitly applied to both. The problems for the reader seem to apply to both, as well, so all in all it's a good discussion.
TOTAL: 10 points.
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On "Architeuthis, Mission 1: The Beginning" by
on 2012-03-03 17:18:00 UTC
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I am not going to participate in the actual contest portion of this, as I am married to the judge, and that is prize enough for me. I will, however, still be reviewing things and I welcome Neshomeh to judge how many points I would receive, as an example of how the system works.
That said, here is my first review.
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Phobos' review of Architeuthis, Mission 1: The Beginning:
I'm not quite sure how to begin this, so I guess the best thing to do is get out my thoughts on the piece overall. I'm sad to say I didn't really enjoy it. There are several reasons for that.
The first half of this mission was one long info-dump that tries to set out exactly what the PPC is, and how it does its job. While this is useful information, it was not presented in a way that was interesting to read, and I found it difficult to trudge through it. Since it was obviously intended for readers who were not familiar with the PPC, I wouldn't advocate getting rid of it all together. I think it would have been better to put it in a separate piece and liven it up somehow. Perhaps make it more of a more fully developed story about how Architeuthis joined the organization and found these things out, rather than explaining it directly to the audience and quoting sections of the manual.
Another problem I had with this particular mission was the lack of clear delineation between sections. The disclaimer at the top runs directly into the exposition section, which runs directly into the actual narrative. It is jarring, and it only serves to confuse the reader. This is a simple fix, though. A horizontal rule between the sections would clear that up easily.
There are, what appear to be, several in-text author's notes, which I believe are a lazy way to get information to the audience. Two, in particular, caught my eye.
1) (I'm a graduate student of biology; I need money, okay?) This information has no bearing on the story, and, due to agents not getting paid, doesn't make any sense as a reason to join the PPC. If you really wanted to get this into the story, I would recommend writing a more thorough introduction of Architeuthis, which includes her being a graduate student, and what that means for her in her new job.
2) (Of course, I'd picked a fake name before coming....) This one makes a common mistake. You are telling, rather than showing. It would have been more interesting and less intrusive if we had seen the agent pick the name as part of her preparations for going out. Perhaps she could have a number of names on a dartboard, or something. "Show; don't tell" would be good advice for this piece as a whole, come to think of it.
It is quite obvious that you know what you are talking about when it comes to Lord of the Rings canon. Some specific instances are the palantiri and the Black Shadow. I was under the mistaken impression that there were only four palantiri. I learned something today.
I don't feel that it was adequately explained how Architeuthis managed to make it through this without a scratch. She fully admitted to being a spy, and she was in the heart of Minas Morgul. That would have warranted torture, at the very least, to find out how she had made it so far into the fortress undetected. It seems particularly out of character for the Witch King. He seemed to not care a whole lot that this person was in his tower, playing with his palantir. It would have been more interesting if Architeuthis needed to do something more than just tell the truth to get out of the situation.
As a side-note, while we are on the subject of the Witch King, Makes-Things just modified the Neuralyzers to work on undead, and we don't hear about it until the it was being used? That smacks of plot contrivance and lazy storytelling. I'm not saying you shouldn't modify the equipment. What I am saying is that you need to work at setting things like that up, in advance, so that they don't come out of thin air. If Makes-Things, or someone else from DoSAT had given Architeuthis the modified, possibly even experimental, Neuralyzer earlier in the story, it would have been far less jarring.
All in all, I'm sorry to say that this doesn't make me keen to read any further into the adventures of Architeuthis.
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I'm going to try to run through it as efficiently as possible, without rambling. Let's see how it goes.
1) Info-dump - 2 points. Lays out the problem of a dry presentation of facts dragging down the piece for readers who are already familiar with the PPC, and provides a recommendation of working the information in more organically. However, could be clearer about what specifically about this presentation makes it dry and uninteresting.
2) Formatting - 3 points. A simple problem with a simple solution.
3) In-text author's notes - 3 points. The problem is clearly explained, specific examples and specific recommendations provided.
4) Canon knowledge - 1 point. I assume this is a compliment, and the what and why are present if I also assume learning something is why this information is good (perhaps not easy for the author, given the criticism of the info-dump; presumably the difference is that the reader didn't learn anything from the info-dump?). However, there's no discussion of the impact this knowledge has on the reader's experience of the story. This could have been said in response to a blog or Facebook comment.
5) Plot contrivances - 3 points. I'm counting the last two paragraphs under the same heading here, because they seem to work as two examples of the same issue (things being a bit too convenient). They're both clear demonstrations of how things working out too easily for the protagonist makes for a lack of story tension and reader disappointment, and in each case a recommendation is given for improvement.
TOTAL: 12 points.
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Re: March Read & Review Challenge! by
on 2012-03-03 14:41:00 UTC
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How about this:
I'll review two people that I haven't heard of before, and two more people that ask for a review. Plus Neshomeh, because I didn't know that we had had National Reading Month.
I'll link, but don't worry about judging them. I'm not interested in earning points, and I'm pretty aware of what makes a good review because I just spent quiet a few hours on mandatory, graded peer English paper critiques.
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Suits me, I guess. by
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I'll be honest, I'm down with anything that gets me reviews. >.>
I might give you points for stuff that qualifies anyway, though, just in case you change your mind. Who knows, you might win. {= ) I can keep them to myself if you'd prefer, though.
Like I said, I'll work out a prize with whoever wins. In the online-only arena, probably something like a beta job or review from me (not art, because I still owe people from March Madness 2010), or if we decide real world stuff is okay, some kinda fun treat or something that will stand up to shipping.
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I don't mind either way. (nm) by
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What-ho, a challenge! All PPCers eligible! by
on 2012-03-01 23:43:00 UTC
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Introducing the March Read & Review Challenge!
Please see the link for details, but if you have questions I haven't already answered there, feel free to ask them here. {= D
~Neshomeh
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meta-missions! by
on 2012-03-03 01:44:00 UTC
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so I had a funny idea at 3:00 am. Has anyone without Permission ever written a piece, only to have it Sporked by an actual agent?
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I think not.
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Capitalization. You need it. by
on 2012-03-03 04:10:00 UTC
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And yeah... I don't think so... mostly because there aren't that many PPC fics out there. Ne?
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sorry for my punctuation (nm) by
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OT: Capitalization. Please use it. (nm) by
on 2012-03-03 03:56:00 UTC
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sorry for my punctuation (nm) by
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No, seriously. by
on 2012-03-03 19:29:00 UTC
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First, capitalization is not punctuation. I hope I don't need to explain the difference. Second, "please use it" means please use it all the time, including in one-line messages with no text body. Your response (which has neither capitalization nor punctuation) does not fill me with confidence that your remorse is genuine. Instead of apologizing, please simply do better in future posts.
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What exactly is the distinction between capitalisation and punctuation? Okay, silly question, let's try a paraphrase: Why is it important to distinguish between the two? They should both be used together, after all, and in cases where one is missing (text messages, things like that) they both tend to vanish.
Spelling (the third part of SPG) is different, since typing 'taht' in a text doesn't save space or time, but why are P&G important to distinguish?
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In this case... by
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The distinction was important to me because I didn't feel the point of my original request had been taken at all, so I felt the need to be extra-clear about what I meant. The use of a different case for some letters is functionally distinct from the use of periods, commas, etc.
Whether capitalization falls under the general header of spelling or grammar I don't know—I think Phobos and I have actually argued about this, and there's a good case for either—but it's definitely not punctuation. By definition, punctuation is the set of marks that aren't letters or numbers; capitalization has everything to do with letters.
Really, come to think of it, I think you could make the case that spelling, capitalization, and punctuation all fall under grammar, but that's no fun. Also, if you're leaving a review or beta-reading, it's more useful to be as specific as possible. If I just say "some of your grammar needs work" when I mean "you need to capitalize the first word in your sentences, and also remember to use quotation marks around dialogue," how will they ever figure it out?
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Well, there was this:
http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Dusk_Daybreak
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It would be bad taste to spork that IMHO.
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Also... by
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The link to the IHMO (whatever that means) will take you to the ff.net error page, so the fanfic is presumably removed, and is probably now completely unsporkable.
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IMHO (In my humble opinion) (nm) by
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by piece I mean a PPC mission. My bad...
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Hi! I'm new here. by
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Greetings fellow boarders! I am TheMadHatteress, lover of words and watcher of anime. I've been stalk- er, looking at the wiki for some time now but have just decided to join in on the decussion. There are a lot of works that i love, but the fandoms that I'm the most involved with are: Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Fullmetal Alchemist, and Axis Powers Hetalia. I also recently started reading works by Terry Pratchett, which I love. So, that's me
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Hay thur... by
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Just kidding. Have an apple pear and welcome.
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Re: Hi! I'm new here. by
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Hi! Have some fudge!
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Welcome! by
on 2012-03-05 12:58:00 UTC
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Hello there, welcome to the Board! Have some chocolate, won't you?
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Greetings! by
on 2012-03-05 03:10:00 UTC
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Well met, rookie! Please enjoy this collection of historical muskets as a welcoming gift.
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Oh hai there! by
on 2012-03-05 01:36:00 UTC
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Welcome to the board!
Here, have some Prokofiev as a welcome present: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLImlLFwRk8 -
Hiya! by
on 2012-03-05 00:44:00 UTC
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Hello! Have one of those cool shape-shifty swords from Dark Side of the Sun!
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Good to have you a-Board! by
on 2012-03-04 23:45:00 UTC
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Greetings, new friend!
Have a flea-hat! It's, uh . . . it's not what it sounds like.
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Hello! by
on 2012-03-04 23:39:00 UTC
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You wouldn't be any relation to Mad Hattie, would you? She joined up a while back, but she hasn't been around recently that I'm aware of.
In any case, welcome! Since you seem to be of a millinery persuasion, have a hat shaped like a duck. That way, when someone asks you about the duck on your head, you can look at them with perfect confusion and say, "What duck?"
^_^
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no relation, just the same facination with headwear (nm) by
on 2012-03-05 02:45:00 UTC
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First plover! (nm) by
on 2012-03-04 23:29:00 UTC
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Hi! I'm new too! by
on 2012-03-04 22:42:00 UTC
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Hi, friend!
*glomps you* Have a hat with mouse ears on it and a minecraft diamond.
We like all the same fandoms, it seems.
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That's a tough one by
on 2012-03-05 02:47:00 UTC
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I'm more inclined to ship USUK, but I also love the FACE family. When it comes to fanfiction I'll read anything as long as it's well written
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Good. by
on 2012-03-05 04:34:00 UTC
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If you were one of those people who HATED USUK, I'd have a hard time being your friend. I ship both pairings, but... USUK was my first love.
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I love them all by
on 2012-03-05 20:18:00 UTC
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but, I would have to say that my favorite is Canada.
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Hey-o. by
on 2012-03-04 22:25:00 UTC
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Welcome to the Board! Have some of my hydrophobic water. Guaranteed to contain no dihydrogen monoxide!
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Hi then. by
on 2012-03-04 22:06:00 UTC
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Have an awesome-laced cookie.
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Thank You! (nm) by
on 2012-03-04 22:18:00 UTC
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sppfskgawkg ( by
on 2012-03-05 06:24:00 UTC
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OK, so I have been working on my first mission for... hmm... at least two or three months by now? I want to say more like four or five, but my sense of time is all skew-y so I have no idea...
I'd really wanted to do this because it involves THE DOCTOR BEING TORTURED WITH LICORICE WHIPS BY JELLY BABY ALIENS ON A PLANET MADE OF CANDY AND I AM NOT EVEN KIDDING HERE, but I read something about a time limit, and I really am just getting frustrated with and tired of this fic... It's extremely long and STILL UPDATING so... yeah.
Basically I'm just ranting here and also apologizing for not being active and not posting my first mission and BEING A HORRIBLE PPC-ER OH MY GOD~
I'll probably end up switching to a one-shot or maybe a Naruto fic, those are easy to spork...
(Holy cow I used the shift key a lot here. I need to get that thing removed.)
(Apologizing in retrospect for any grammar mistakes, since the only time I could get on today was 1 AM. Yes friends, it is now 1:30 AM on a school night. Kill me now.)
(Well this was rather pointless but you know, I haven't really been contributing recently. MUST... STAY... ACTIVE...) -
Okay, who's been taking crazy juice again? (nm) by
on 2012-03-07 04:20:00 UTC
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*pat on the back* by
on 2012-03-05 23:20:00 UTC
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It's okay, it's okay. Don't let the licorice whips get to you.
Look on the bright side: you passed already! You have Permission! Even if you didn't, we'd still love you. So it's going to be okay.
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Don't sweat the mission. by
on 2012-03-05 19:47:00 UTC
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Set it aside if you still want to do it. Just don't use it as your 'first' mission.
I have a mission I've been working on for about.... four years now. Some others that aren't with quite a long period of time, a few that are just in 'months' in terms of length of time for writing.
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D'aww... by
on 2012-03-05 14:13:00 UTC
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I feel all snuggly and loved now. Thanks for the help, peoples :D
(I think I'll still at least take a break from writing this and do a shorter fic for my first one. It might even be done today, since I already have a few pages worked out for this thing: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3623721/1/Another_real_life_crossover_oh_noes) -
What the cruk? by
on 2012-03-05 13:35:00 UTC
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Just when I think badfic can't get any weirder...
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Cutting off is okay. by
on 2012-03-05 10:49:00 UTC
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Long fics make long missions. Choose a point where it gets particularly bad. Before something especially stupid happens, like an almost omnipotent villain being dragged somewhere he doesn't belong, canons being severely injured/killed...
For example, we wouldn't want the Doctor to regenerate. I'm not sure on how to reverse that. -
Advanced Gallifreyan technology? by
on 2012-03-09 16:30:00 UTC
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Or the Power Cosmic?
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I know how you feel, dude. by
on 2012-03-05 09:41:00 UTC
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I'm rewriting a mission right now and the fic turned out to be even worse than I'd thought, so much so that while I first cut it off at about chapter ten, I'm now cutting the mission off at chapter five because there were just so many problems. If I sporked the entire thing, it'd be longer than a Clive Barker novel.
It doesn't make you a bad PPCer. I've spent months rewriting missions, mainly because real life gets in the way. No one's going to mind a lot if it takes you a while. -
It's okay, honestly! by
on 2012-03-05 07:08:00 UTC
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Calm down, it will be just fine. Now, let's look at these points calmly, hm?
-If the fic is too long, select a cutoff point and let your Agents take out the Sue/Stu/slashwraith/whatever you're dealing with there. It's a perfectly legitimate tactic to have your Agents basically get fed up, go "stuff this" and charge once they've collected enough charges.
(Opinion may vary on how many is "enough" but for general purposes I'd say 15-25 is usually considered plenty, especially if the Agents have had enough of the fic.)
-Being active is appreciated, but not necessary once you actually have Permission and we know you. We've had people fade off the radar for months or even years and then pop back up, and they get just as much welcome as any newbies. Posting one's first mission is also not something to rush with, and we don't demand that PPCers even write missions if they don't want to. Some of our members have been here years and never writen a single mission.
So in conclusion: you are not a horrible PPCer. *hugs* Just sit back and don't feel like there's pressure on you to do PPC stuff.
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Greetings from Down Under! by
on 2012-03-05 12:17:00 UTC
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Hi there! First time poster, long time lurker. I'm a huge lover of fiction (well obviously) and am currently living in Australia, I'm a native of the United Kingdom however, from good old Manchester. As for my favourite fandoms, I am an unashamed Brony, a complete and utter Star Wars nerd, a devoted, some might almost say slavering Neil Gaiman fan, a 10th Doctor nut (can't watch the 11th, I just *can't* I feel like I am betraying the 10th if I do) and, of course, a lover of Lord of the Rings. So, here I am, introducing myself and hoping I fit in in the madness!
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Re: Greetings from Down Under! by
on 2012-03-06 12:46:00 UTC
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Welcome! Have some assorted Bleep-products!
I am a fellow Brony, and there are many others. Favorite pony? (Mine is Fluttershy, which is going to seem weird if/when you get to know me better.)
What site do you hail from? I'm from the Pit of Voles. Stay away from the Pit of Horny Weasels, especially the MLP section. The MLP section is, for some inexplicable reason, filled with bondage. Remember to bring your Bleeprin if you choose to go, and keep yourself away from anything physically dangerous.
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G'Day by
on 2012-03-06 03:51:00 UTC
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Hello from a native Aussie and fellow PPCer!
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Hello there! by
on 2012-03-06 02:48:00 UTC
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Welcome to the Board! Have some of my hydrophobic water! Store in a cool, dry place and keep away from any sort of matter. It will react. Violently.
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You definitely fit in... by
on 2012-03-05 23:18:00 UTC
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...though I'm not supposed to say that, since "everyone" is supposed to fit in.
But seriously. You share similar fandoms with 75% + of the group. You may even understand over 50% of the jokes!
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Well, not everyone. by
on 2012-03-05 23:29:00 UTC
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Or "everyone," even. We do have an established history of disliking plagiarists, trolls, spammers, and people who are big fat meanies.
As long as you're not one of those, though, yeah, you'll probably do fine. *g*
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on 2012-03-05 23:31:00 UTC
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What's *g*?
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Quick answer. by
on 2012-03-06 02:28:00 UTC
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It's short for "grin," with the asterisks denoting an action.
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on 2012-03-06 12:06:00 UTC
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*g*
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Re: Greetings from Down Under! by
on 2012-03-05 21:42:00 UTC
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Hi! Welcome to the Board.
Don't feel bad about watching Matt Smith, David Tennant will forgive you! Anyways, have a Party Cannon! -
Greetings from a fellow newbie by
on 2012-03-05 20:27:00 UTC
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Welcome to the madness! Have a propeller hat: it actually flies! just don't put your fingers too close to the blades if you want them to stay intact.
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Re: Greetings from Down Under! by
on 2012-03-05 17:39:00 UTC
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Hi, have some fudge!
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Welcome. by
on 2012-03-05 17:25:00 UTC
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If you've been lurking for a while, then I'm sure you know how things go around here. Some of us are a little crazy, but we're the friendly kind of crazy. Enjoy your stay!
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Good to have you a-Board! by
on 2012-03-05 14:45:00 UTC
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Greetings, new friend! Have a pair of kangaroo boxing gloves! (They're for a kangaroo to wear. I'm sure I don't need to tell you not to try boxing a kangaroo.)
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Welcome! by
on 2012-03-05 13:50:00 UTC
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Hello and welcome to the Board! Here, have some chocolate, and enjoy your stay!
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First plover! by
on 2012-03-05 13:27:00 UTC
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Fluttershy is best pony, btw.
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Re: First plover! by
on 2012-03-06 13:19:00 UTC
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*glomp*
Yes, Fluttershy is best pony. I have a frenemy who thinks Rarity is ("Rainbow Dash is overrated" my arse, damn hipster), but we stay away from that. I know a couple of guys who love RD, who is second best pony, with Pinkie being third, Applejack fourth, Rarity fifth, and Twilight being last. I don't know what it is about Twilight, but she's my least favorite pony.
Oh, and I've been to the section the Pit of Horny Weasels has for MLP, and I find it strange that almost all of it is bondage. Weird for this fandom, isn't it?
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Glee? by
on 2012-03-05 17:10:00 UTC
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What's the PPC's opinion on Glee? I've been following the fanfiction on "The Pit" for a while, and aside from quite a bit of M-Preg, I haven't seen anything that majorly bad there.
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Re: Glee? by
on 2012-03-06 05:55:00 UTC
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Glee used to be a good show, but now it just sucks. The outright worship of some characters (i.e. Rachel and Kurt) and the outright ignoring of others (i.e. Tina and Artie) drove me away, as did Glee's refusal to have any songs on it that aren't either mainstream pop, mainstream rock, mainstream hip hop or classical theatre.
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OK by
on 2012-03-06 16:25:00 UTC
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Well, like I said, I'm not trying to start any fights here- was just curious as to how the PPC viewed the show.
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Re: Glee? by
on 2012-03-05 23:17:00 UTC
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I used to enjoy it, but don't any longer. I don't appreciate girls/guys falling in and out of love with just about everything that moves and breathes half a dozen times in two years.
Sorry.
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It is (nm) by
on 2012-03-05 23:54:00 UTC
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Personal opinions. by
on 2012-03-05 19:06:00 UTC
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There isn't really any mass shared mind on most fandoms in general in the PPC, so opinions vary.
I personally can't stand Glee, because it's very much a race to the bottom in terms of 'let's make all of these characters as generally unappealingly manipulative and amoral as possible and heap as many cringe inducing moments in as possible between musical numbers'. -
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Well, to each his/her own, I say. I tend to like the characters, but I'n not gonna start a fight here.
And I was just told. Thanks for sharing your two cents here! -
The PPC opinion by
on 2012-03-05 17:41:00 UTC
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No idea. You see, the PPC is a construct that is made up of people. These people have varying thoughts on topics. It is not often that everyone in the PPC agrees that a particular canon is either good or bad. Cases have even been made for Twilight being decent, on occasion.
As for Glee, I don't mind it, myself. The stories are decent, and the songs, though over-processed, can also be enjoyable.
If it is one of the canons you enjoy, then be glad that the fanfic is decent. I wish more continua could be like that.
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Good grief. by
on 2012-03-05 19:23:00 UTC
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Don't scare me like that! I saw someone asking about Glee, and a response titled "The PPC opinion," and had a brief Blue Screen of Death moment. The day our community has a unified opinion on anything is the day Hell freezes over, cats marry dogs, and Death trades Binky in for a nice chestnut mare.
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Re: Good grief. by
on 2012-03-06 12:36:00 UTC
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I won't bother pointing out that the Ninth Circle of Hell is a glacier ;)
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There used to be one. :P (nm) by
on 2012-03-05 19:30:00 UTC
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There never did! by
on 2012-03-07 04:06:00 UTC
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And if there was, I retroactively disagree with it, so there.
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Does that mean you disavow of Tolkien completely? (nm) by
on 2012-03-07 04:08:00 UTC
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No, it... wait. Hang on. Darn. by
on 2012-03-07 04:25:00 UTC
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Wait! I've got it! Since I am of course an elf, I appreciate Tolkien in a completely different way to everyone else. Except BiD, Kaitlyn and Luthien, who
wereare totally elves too.
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That still counts! by
on 2012-03-07 04:38:00 UTC
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Totally does.
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Curse you! by
on 2012-03-07 04:49:00 UTC
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I would curse you in Quenya if I could remember enough of it! Give me a second...
Nai Valaraukar... um... elye... er... utulielyenna! Nai Valaraukar utulielyenna. I think the grammar's right there. Not entirely sure what tense 'utulie' is in, but so what? It gets the point across. If you speak Quenya. Which no-one does - including me.
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^Nai Valaraukar elyenna utulie. by
on 2012-03-07 05:02:00 UTC
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Stupid of me, right?
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Hee. by
on 2012-03-07 05:08:00 UTC
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(Also you might be interested in checking your email if you have not.)
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Can't access emails while at work. by
on 2012-03-07 05:12:00 UTC
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The filters here are weird. I'll take a look when I get home.
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Aaah. by
on 2012-03-07 05:14:00 UTC
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It is simply Minecraft information since I was wondering if you would be interested in joining in. Dann runs a server. (Which I doubt you can/are allowed to run at work.)
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Not at work, but... by
on 2012-03-07 05:32:00 UTC
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... oooooooooooooh.
:P
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Apologies by
on 2012-03-05 19:28:00 UTC
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I didn't mean to alarm anyone.
However, your reaction to it goes to prove my point. So...mission accomplished?
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Heh. That was the idea. (I'm not easily alarmed.) (nm) by
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Thanks by
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Oh, that's understandable- Wait. Did you just say people made cases for good Twilight fanfic? You must be kidding me.
Oh, that's good to hear- there may be a craplot of slash, but I generally find it enjoyable. And also, it has some pretty good sci-fi/fantasy stories. -
Clarification by
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You misunderstand. I never said anything about Twilight fanfic. I said people have made a case for Twilight being decent. The background characters and the world they inhabit are actually fairly interesting. The biggest problems, for me, are the choice of the main characters and the over all message that those characters convey.
As far as Twilight fanfic goes, it can be better than the original. Or so I've been told.
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Oh. by
on 2012-03-05 19:54:00 UTC
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Oh, THAT I can get- as a person who's (Just about) managed to sit through the books, I will admit that most of the side characters (And some of the mains, like Jasper) and their origins can be interesting. Mostly, I stay off though- too much Edward/Bella- no AU can save it.
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Twilight goodfic can most assuredly top canon. (nm) by
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OT: login issue by
on 2012-03-05 17:53:00 UTC
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I apparently got a messed-up automatic update this weekend. (Current betting is on a Flash update, that's known to cause problems.) The only way to get my laptop to even turn on was for my brother to force a "reset to factory", which wiped pretty much everything.
One of the casualties was all my saved passwords, including the one for this board. I can't find a retrieve/reset password link anywhere, am I just being clueless? -
Eh, the login's always been sort of broken. by
on 2012-03-05 19:20:00 UTC
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Most people, I think, just type the name into "Author" every time, it's easier. I always have.
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Same. by
on 2012-03-05 19:44:00 UTC
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I only ever used that so I'd get a log of all the posts made in a day sent to my email.
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New Mission: Harry Potter/Magic the Gathering Crossover by
on 2012-03-05 22:14:00 UTC
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Not THAT Kind Of Magic
This was a lot of fun to write and I hope you guys get as much enjoyment out of it as we did.
As always, concrit is welcome! -
Some stuff by
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(Sorry for the anonymous sign-in. I swear to god, Amtrak has the worst damn wifi ever in the history of worst wifi ever.)
Okay. So... Let's get going.
For me, this mission really took a while to get off the ground. I think that once Jace got more heavily involved in the mission, it started getting very interesting. Until that point, though, I was kind of slogging a bit through most of it.
Once Jace came in, though, the mission got very fun. It was wild, it was crazy, and seeing Jace interact with the agents was pretty awesome. And since Jace was in the majority of the mission, that's all that matters.
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Um... by
on 2012-03-06 14:26:00 UTC
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All I keep getting is an "Untitled Document". Is that the wrong link or something?
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You would be wanting the link in the post right below yours. by
on 2012-03-06 17:11:00 UTC
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Where EF says she corrected the link.
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But my name is not Ellipsis Flo! D: by
on 2012-03-05 22:15:00 UTC
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Yeah, I know, it was probably the character limit. Still... Ellipsis Flo? Pfft-
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Monthly pluggage by
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It's that time, again. Halcyon Theatre (the company I am in) is having their monthly variety show tonight, March 5th at 7:30 PM (GMT -6). It is Livestreamed, free of charge, so that you can all watch.
Those of you that were around last time seemed to enjoy it, and this month's set looks pretty fun. I am going to attempt to be in the livestream chat, so watch for that.
The Livestream Warning - I have no idea what the artists will perform. There may be some minor NSFW language.
The Line-up
I hope to see some of you there!
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The show is starting! (nm) by
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Mission--Floaters--Stargate Atlantis--Cali and Cadmar by
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Cadmar visits Cali as he is recovering from injuries from his previous mission ( Re-run ), and they get assigned a fic where AU is only the beginning of the description. Read on to discover whether Cadmar's bedroom walls are covered with messages written in blood, what color Cali's eyes are, and what happens when one of the SGA guys gets pregnant.
This mission to Stargate Atlantis has an unusual twist. Please make note of any spoilers you are posting in comments.
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This is very much something special, set apart from all other PPC stuff (that I've encountered). You guys blended the PPC agents' story superbly together with the fic and made this mission deeper for it.
Cadmar and Cali have been moving towards a potential semi-argument for a while now, I think, simply because they were both being so cautious around each other, and afraid to open up. Giving them a mission together was an elegant and unassuming way to force them to interact one-on-one and reach that point.
You somehow wrote all the mushy Cadmar/Cali scenes in a way that kept my attention throughout the entire mission. Whihc is, like, impossible, because I hate romance. So kudos for that. (I would say more, but I'm honestly not really sure what it is that kept me interested the whole way through.)
Like Miah said in her author note, I was "waiting for the shoe to drop" on how the (obviously bad) fic was going to turn bad. Using a goodfic was an excellent choice, not only within this mission, but for the community as a whole. As is said repeatedly, it's not about the badfic, and having PPC characters discuss a goodfic is a great way to support that attitude. The goodfic also complements the PPC story arc well (as you pointed out) by contrasting the Sheppard/Rodney relationship with the Cadmar/Cali one.
We now know the color of Cali's eyes, but we still don;t know why he was so keen on keeping them hidden, especially since they're far from Suvian. I realize he was a little distracted by the turn of conversation here, but it would still be nice to find out eventually why he was so secretive about this. (Disregard if this was already talked about somewhere and I forgot.)
So yes! Excellent character development, clever fake-out using the goodfic, and I can't think of a third item for this list. Feel free to bug me in chat for anything else.
And now, as is becoming customary to the point where I feel like a pest, the missed mistakes I found:
*"Yeah, disguises are already preset for SGA personal."
"Personal" should be "personnel."
*"Do you need anymore help with your bra?"
"Any more" is two words.
*"Now that’s a Rodney like reaction to hearing that you are pregnant."
Needs a hyphen: "Rodney-like." HYPHENS FOREVER
*"I’m not sure exactly how the whole selection of missions fic goes..."
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Concrit! (Spoilers, of course) by
on 2012-03-07 03:08:00 UTC
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This was a rather interesting idea, and for the most part, it worked. The meta aspect of it, ie, the two of you thinking this would be badfic and being pleasantly surprised, is fun. I especially enjoyed how the fic ended up giving Cali and Cadmar relationship advice. I'm not a fan of MPreg, and while I'm willing to bet Sheppard would quite easily be at least bi, I'd also bet that Rodney is hetero. At the same time, they are literally the only slash pairing I enjoy. (Because... they're so cute together :3) So yeah, that's a personal thing, and it may bias me towards liking this mission.
On the negative side, the most major problem I saw was that the beginning drags. I might have enjoyed it more were I not waiting for the mission to start. Perhaps it could have been its own interlude?
The beginning also seems kind of jumbled, not in that I had trouble following it. It more seems that there are too many characters all talking at once.
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Hah, thank you! Sheppard/Rodney is my favorite slash pairing too! We are glad that the twist went off as smoothly as we hoped. A good change of pace, no?
As for the negative bits, I agree with you. It can get hectic sometimes when using so many characters. We usually end ep stalling and wondering how to keep everyone active in the scene in someway. Next Mission/Interlude we do, we will try to use less people, or at least keep it more... cohesive? -
Wow. (spoilers!) by
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An actual goodfic mission? Wow, that's actually pretty nice.
And it's great the way that it explored Cali and Cadmar's relationship. That was actually incredibly sweet there, so...
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We thought it was a good choice for a setting for them to talk. Having two agents in a fic together gives plenty of room to explore an issue or two. Doubly so if you don't have much of a job because it is actually a goodfic :P
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Oh, it's that fic. (Big fat spoilers.) by
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Yeah, I was surprised too, but it worked. Reading that mission reminded me that yes, everything can be done well. Even this.
Still, while there was nothing to do PPC-wise it very well explored Cali's and Cadmar's relationship. Well, the goodfic surprise was kinda spoiled for me since I already knew the fic in question, but other than that, it was a nice read.
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on 2012-03-09 00:38:00 UTC
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We were definently surprised that is was actually a goodfic. I remember hearing that someone had once read a good MPreg fic, and was highly skeptical. Looks like the joke was on me :P
And I woulden't put it too far past Miah or Maria to try something sneaky with Mission distribution... or maybe someone else entirely. >_> Whooooo knooooooows?
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Also new mission! LOTR - Mittens, the RMC and newbies by
on 2012-03-06 14:33:00 UTC
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Mission is here. Hope I got rid of all the formatting issues. http://rc170.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/through-anothers-eyes-aka-enter-the-newbies/
Additional Author Noting: Having two agents who want to kill each other is rather funny, but not very practical. They will have to learn to get along *grins evily* whether they want to or not.
Also, Saxo is not just being a jerk for the sake of having a jerk in the story. He has ... issues, that I might get into.
And I seem to have written one of those PPC-agent-close-to-death-stories, that are all the rage. Although in my defense, I wrote this as I was reading through all the old Sue-missions so my idea about what was the current trend, was aa bit hazy.
Mini-Balrogs rescued: Buckleberry (belongs to Kitty)
Middle Earth (it seems to be in the adotion agency, but my agents would like to adopt it)
Imaldris (belongs to FC)
Dwarrodelf
Thrandullion
Morodr
Theodan (belongs to Kristen).
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I love it. by
on 2012-03-09 16:42:00 UTC
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"Mittens met his gaze evenly. “Yes,” he answered, “they do. Fortunately, you and I are not partners.”"
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*Blushes* Thanks! (nm) by
on 2012-03-11 10:39:00 UTC
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SERIOUS problem by
on 2012-03-07 01:20:00 UTC
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http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Hurt-Laurie-Aladdin-Fiction/dp/0689712065
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Re: SERIOUS problem by
on 2012-03-07 10:16:00 UTC
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I know the book exist, it was mentioned in the Author's Note. I haven't read it, but I googled it thoroughly and for one thing, in the book Laurie is ten or eleven, while in the fic, she is eight.
Laurie in the fic hardly ever shows any signs of being a little girl, but is able to do the same things at the adults. Her reactions are also wrong.
Also, the Sue had no personality except for abused-girl-mode. Unless the canon-Laurie was seriously badly written, Laurie should have some kind of personality traits carried over from her canon self.
And then there's the facts that the author never calls this a crossover, and that he/she ripped off Narnia. So I think a case can be made for character replacement.
As for the mother, in the book she apparently never abused Laurie in front of her stepsiblings and didn't think they knew about the abuse. Beating Laurie in front of Tim and locking him in a closet seems way off. And beating her with an iron fire-poker was not mentioned by any reviews or summaries so I doubt that it is from the book and it also seems like something she would not be able to claim that Laurie did to herself, so it also seems off. So I call character replacement there as well.
Tim and the puppy are no more than bits in what is not a crossover and Sue-Laurie never mentions either again, even though book-Laurie was very fond of both. There's hardly anything to tie them to the book.
So yes, I made a choice and I know it can be debated, but I did do a lot of research and based my interpretation on that. -
You say serious problem... by
on 2012-03-07 03:59:00 UTC
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... I say serious potential for comedy.
To-mah-to, to-lawnmower-to.
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It's been a while since I've read one of these. by
on 2012-03-07 00:57:00 UTC
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I liked it, I guess. At least it distracted me from being furious at my colleagues. I did like the petulant CAD, and the 'left with the kids' vibe I got from Mittens after the RMC went off. Not too sure about some of the charges (Galadriel is creepy, just ask anyone in Gondor), and I'm dubious about the level of analytical thought you expected from an eight-year-old (but then again, she did decide to go with the Fellowship... I guess that's why they're 'Sues), but I did enjoy it. Especially the leather-bound copy of TOS.
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Thanks! by
on 2012-03-07 12:46:00 UTC
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Honestly? I'm not sure what level of analytical thought to expect from an eight-year-old, either. I don't really know any. But she had a lot of introspection and thoughts that I thought was way over her age.
So my agents complained a lot, but the actual charges for 'bad psychology' and 'inconsistencies' were deliberately vague.
I see your point about the other one as well, and it's not the kind of thing to build a charge list on, more a case of the agents being personally annoyed. Whatever happend to 'intimidating' or 'awe inspiring'? Eru knows that the girl had a large enough vocabulary.
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Re: the mini-Balrogs by
on 2012-03-06 18:28:00 UTC
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You are correct in identifying those with owners, and have discovered three new minis that weren't known before! Your Agents are welcome to adopt all four that you requested - Middle Earth, Dwarrodelf, Thrandullion, and Morodr - as long as they take adequate fireproofing precautions. :P
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Fun fact by
on 2012-03-07 13:03:00 UTC
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I actually found Dwarrodelf on a page on the Tolkien Wikia site. Wonder if that also made the mini appear and where it went, when I corrected the error.
And have no fear, my Agents take lots of precautions; one of them is after all made of plant material.
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Another new Floaters mission! by
on 2012-03-06 21:00:00 UTC
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Wow, we have quite a bit of inactivity, and then suddenly we have three missions in the space of a single day!
What is this I don't even--
Anyhow... we have another mission today.
In which Anneli, Cindy, and Xanthus deal with the first of three missions into trollfic:
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1ZdFl7hlvSsV-02hqFjXG-q3wwIAfeuaRlKL4TlyL23Q
Seriously, this trollfic was so ridiculous it's not even funny.
Though, shockingly, for a trollfic it really didn't produce that many minis, of which I only found three. However, I did find a mini from an unrelated continuum to the DS continuum, and one of them did have to be put down due to being a mini-troll. Thus, these guys will thus be going right to the Adoption Center:
Call of Duty:
captaion price
Dead Space:
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Concrit by
on 2012-03-07 03:00:00 UTC
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The bad news: This is not as good as your last mission, or your last interlude
The good news: It isn't bad
So I have to say, I really like the reactions to the trollfic in this. They're funny, and believable, and bear a resemblance to something I like to do in my owns spinoff, so I guess we think kind of the same.
Unfortunately, this suffers from one of the things I mentioned about your last mission to an even greater extent. Namely, I have trouble telling exactly where your agents are. You do an excellent job of describing the environment, but where your agents are in relation to each other and the things around them is unclear. I understand that this is hard to do in a mission with so few (read: one) canon location(s). Still I often had to try to figure out where your agents were purely based on context, and was not always able to. The troll battle, when this was most critical, was hard to follow.
So yeah. In all, not a bad mission, but you have written better.
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Fourth Mission of the Day! by
on 2012-03-06 21:42:00 UTC
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Wow, this must be some new record. Anyways!
The Amazing Origins of edible girl!
In which Ari and Tera branch out into cartoons.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_CR8B4AuKLpXhInmBThxU_bdorGmrY54YskbV8LlV10/edit
Bleh. Really, these two Sues are both textbook. I might end up making a page for them, although there are new rules about that (what, exactly, are the criteria for a Sue Page?) As always, concrit is welcomed.
Plus, there was a ton of Mini-Trigons (mini-Trigons are ONLY for Teen Titans cartoon canon. Various comics and other spin-offs have other types)
Beastboy
Beast boy
BeastBoy
teen titans sniffle
teen titans
titans
tamaranian (currently with edible girl, not up for adoption)
raven
AZERATH
METREUM
METREUN
ZENTHOS
Star
robin
Raven's Room
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More details. by
on 2012-03-08 14:21:00 UTC
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Okay, I think I should go more in details about what I (dis)liked about this mission.
The main thing that bothered me was, as said, the fact that you skip many fic pieces that could be interesting. A good example would be the faux-Shakespearian author's note with the three minis. That sounds like something that should be seen rather than be read about. Or maybe something about Sarah's backstory. You're just telling things instead of showing them. I felt kinda left out on the action.
The other thing: I mentioned it before and I will mention it again. Betas are important. Even if you're the world SPaG champion, you still make mistakes. Or you're too immersed in your mission to notice how things aren't as obvious as you think they are. Betas are your more or less independent second (third/fourth) pair of eyes. You'll almost never catch every mistake you make. I already marked some things, but I'm sure there's more. I think I caught a missing period somewhere. Would be ironic if you poke at the Suethor for messing up periods if you do it yourself.
On the other hand, not everything was bad. You managed to point things out well, I just love edible girl and your agents are working just fine. It wasn't a great mission, but if you iron out your mistakes and get someone to read over it closely, it could be good. -
On Sue pages. by
on 2012-03-08 02:13:00 UTC
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I don't think a final decision has been made on the process for adding new pages, but if they're just your basic textbook Sues, that pretty much disqualifies them.
Regarding the mission, I'm afraid I haven't done more than glance at it, and that's because it looks unfinished: there are comments in the margins that I assume your beta made, and among other things you desperately need double line-breaks between ALL your paragraphs. You've got them some places but not others, and it's really distracting. I'm not sure why you decided to post this before it was ready, but I'd really rather not read it until it is. You're not doing yourself any favors by jumping the gun.
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Comments. And betas. by
on 2012-03-08 10:11:00 UTC
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Oh, mine. I think it's better to leave comments about typos and other little things at the doc because they're way easier to find that way.
Also, it really read like it wasn't betaed at all. These are things I found while reading it casually. They should have been found. What adds to the fact is that you don't credit anyone for betaing.
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Oh, I see. by
on 2012-03-09 03:14:00 UTC
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Wait, you were able to leave comments in the doc? Are you normally able to do that if it's done and "published"?
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Not everybody knows about/uses that feature. by
on 2012-03-09 09:24:00 UTC
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I myself simply change the permissions to View Only. It does the trick.
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Good job! by
on 2012-03-07 13:14:00 UTC
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You have a really good fun potential detector there! Edible girl is another brilliant way to use bad writing as fun potential.
Also, I kinda missed seeing a CAD die. It's one of the staples of PPC missions, after all. -
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on 2012-03-07 19:07:00 UTC
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hey, edible girl made the CAD die, as did Raven!Replacement.
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Hum... by
on 2012-03-07 11:23:00 UTC
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Aside from the things I marked in the doc, there's one major problem: I felt like being told many things you could have shown me instead.
Also, why is Raven's Room a mini?
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Possible badfic question by
on 2012-03-06 23:07:00 UTC
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How much does this fic rip off of PotC? I've only seen the first movie, and that only twice, so I don't feel qualified to judge. I know the savvy part is a ripoff.
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Re: Possible badfic question by
on 2012-03-09 19:42:00 UTC
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Well, the girl does bribe someone to ignore her name when she lands, as Jack Sparrow did in the first movie, but that's all I picked up at first glance.
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Don't know either. by
on 2012-03-07 23:36:00 UTC
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Though it may be helpful to note that the Telmarines were once pirates from Earth. Unlike these pirates, however, they did not invade intentionally at first or know that the place they were in was Narnia.
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Mary Sue Page Deletion by
on 2012-03-07 00:00:00 UTC
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All Mary Sue pages marked for deletion will be deleted in 15 days. (The pages agreed upon for deletion were marked fifteen days ago on February 20th.) If you wish to retrieve any information from them, now is the time to do it.
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It's All Real by
on 2012-03-07 03:07:00 UTC
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Guys, I realized something today. Something important.
I realized that, since the universe is infinite, every possibility has occurred. This means that, somewhere incomprehensibly far away, there is another planet, precisely like Earth down to the position of every last atom of gold, where the only difference in anything at all ever is that I have a natural purple streak in my hair.
This also means that somewhere, Lord of the Rings, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, Harry Potter, and all our other beloved fandoms, are reality. It would only be a matter of advancing our technology far enough to get us there. Think about it.
Somewhere, there is a real Boromir, who is, right at this moment, taking arrows for Frodo. There is a real Fluttershy caring for a cute little bunny. There is a real Harry, defeating Voldemort. There is a real Martin the Warrior, battling Tsarmina of the Thousand Eyes. There is a real Sunflower Official, assigning the very missions the Assassins carry out each day, a real Mysterious Somebody attempted a coup d'etat, and a real Agent Kayliegh has Macespace. It's a mind-blowing possibility, isn't it?
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Woah by
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So wait- something like Mass Effect or Halo could still happen in a few hundred years? Hang on, why would I want The Covenant and The Reapers killing everyone?
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Well, sort of.++ by
on 2012-03-08 05:57:00 UTC
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Well, for one thing, we're pretty sure the universe isn't infinite, if only because if it were, it would instantly collapse due to gravity.
(If we assume it's going for infinite /time/, then yeah, any physically possible arrangement of matter will happen. Eventually. Like, we're talking gigaSagans of times longer that the entire age of the universe to date eventually, even for little things like human reincarnation, let alone planetary or societal. And then there's the Omega Point thing...)
However, some stuff just isn't going to happen. Anything actually physically possible will, but magic isn't just going to pop out of the ether, and the Discworld isn't going to hold together no matter how much quantum you throw at it.
Also, even if there is a multiverse, I'm pretty sure that trans-fictional travel doesn't exist. Because, goddammit, I imagined that there was an alternate-reality version of me with multiversal travel who was about to decide to come visit me SO MANY TIMES when I was a kid and nobody ever picked me up. -
Re: Well, sort of.++ by
on 2012-03-08 12:13:00 UTC
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String Theory. Strings hold the universe together. If this is true, than it could easily be infinite. Either String Theory is right, or Gravity isn't what it seems.
And who's to say that the magic isn't just super-advanced science they don't know is science? Any sufficiently advanced technology will appear as magic anyway, right? They never detailed the mechanics of magic in any of the involved universes, insofar as I know. Maybe that's what it is: sufficiently advanced technology. And they don't know that themselves, so they call it magic for lack of a better word.
Eh. Trans-fictional travel might work with, once again, sufficiently advanced technology. It's just teleportation over very long distances, if my little theory is right. -
Re: Well, sort of.++ by
on 2012-03-09 03:02:00 UTC
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Welll....
First off that's... that actually has nothing to do with how string theory works. At all.
Also, (at least under our current understanding of the universe,) some things just aren't possible in a physical medium. No matter how much "sufficiently advanced technology" you throw at things, a pony with wings the size of chicken's is never, ever, going to hit Mach 5. No, not even if you invoke nanotechnology. -
Mm. by
on 2012-03-07 23:37:00 UTC
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Sorry to be the nasty downer in the happy party, but I just can't see some of the magic stories working. :(
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Re: It's All Real by
on 2012-03-07 20:39:00 UTC
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And therefore, every badfic that has ever been written exists... Including all the legendary badfics. And this means there is an infinite number of Mary Sues, and an infinite amount of versions of the PPC.
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Oh my God, you mean Enoby exists? (nm) by
on 2012-03-07 22:05:00 UTC
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Re: Oh my God, you mean Enoby exists? by
on 2012-03-08 02:04:00 UTC
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Well shit. She does. The Fandom Space Mission has never been so important, then!
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Wow... you just blew my mind.. (nm) by
on 2012-03-07 14:10:00 UTC
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Well, actually... by
on 2012-03-07 13:21:00 UTC
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I have used this excuse billions of times to prove my fangirly theory that, YES, THERE IS A GALIFREY, GODDAMNIT.
It has comforted me in the many dark times of wishing for the Doctor. -
Congratulations! The end is nigh. by
on 2012-03-07 05:40:00 UTC
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It is commendable for someone on such a ho-hum, unfantastic world to have finally figured it out. It's not every day one of the Lesser Worlds sees a spark of wisdom without the assistance of magic. However, each individual world must never become aware of the others, or of the greater World. I'm going to have to kill you and everyone who saw this thread now.
Have a good day.
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I already knew this. A million bajillion times over. by
on 2012-03-07 04:16:00 UTC
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It doesn't blow my mind because I know that we'll never even come close to contacting other universes at all, yet alone within my lifetime.
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Dude... by
on 2012-03-07 03:59:00 UTC
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I'm no physicist, but I'm pretty sure multiverse theory does not work that way. My best explanation for the entire thing is similar to how Sweeper from Terry Pratchett's Night Watch puts it: "It says that if anything that can happen without breaking any physical laws, it must happen. [...] It means the universe is not infinite, and people's choices are far more vital than they think." (p.81)
As far as I know, magic, high fantasy stuff, and all the like cannot possibly exist according to our established laws of physics and are confined to fiction.
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Re: Dude... by
on 2012-03-07 11:55:00 UTC
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I don't remember where I saw this, but the best argument I've seen was that you can have an infinite number of apples and still not have a single orange. A parallel world where I was born male? Not much of a stretch. A parallel world where I'm living under Nazi rule? Scary, but still plausible. A parallel world where I can crush the skulls of annoying customers with a single thought? Not gonna find that one.
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Well, it /can/... by
on 2012-03-07 04:04:00 UTC
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... it's just wildly improbable. I mean, there's no actual rule saying that, for instance, the atoms in a sheet of paper can't all be simultaneously collided with by high-energy particles and rise in temperature enough to spontaneously combust just by coincidence as Gandalf McWizard happens to point his staff at it and to coincidentally do this every time... it's just that, statistically, such a thing would only happen once in a very large number of years/light-years.
But if the universe is infinite (which it probably isn't, sadly, in either time or space, but if it was) then the wildly improbable becomes a certainty.
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Well... by
on 2012-03-07 04:13:00 UTC
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I can't manage to reconcile the fact that somewhere, Zelda CD-I has happened for real.
I just can't.
Therefore I must stick to my theory of "non-rule-breaking-probabilities" to avoid being driven insane by the awfulness. -
Also... by
on 2012-03-07 04:17:00 UTC
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... isn't the Sweeper's entire point that actually, everything-that-can-happen doesn't? I seem to remember Sam Vimes not killing his wife. So it's okay - allowances can be made for things which are stupid not happening, while keeping the awesome ones.
(And somewhere a real Justin Agent, not-the-DIO-there's-no-such-thing-hahaha, is reading this exact post through quantum fluctuations and wondering if he needs to do anything...)
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Ah, yes... by
on 2012-03-07 04:50:00 UTC
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The exact words are: "There is nowhere, however huge the multiverse is, where Sam Vimes as he is now has murdered Lady Sybil."(Character Rupture in a nutshell)
If my interpretation is correct, this means that the universe abides by certain laws and that there are certain things that simply can't happen, implying a certain degree of fate.
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Well, but hang on. by
on 2012-03-07 04:56:00 UTC
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Let's take a look:
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As the sun rose, Huinesoron rode his bicycle through the silent streets. The asphalt was damp, whether with dew or the night's rain, he didn't know and didn't much care. All he cared about was getting home: home to his wife, home to his son, and (last but not least) home to bed.
A sound caught his ear, and he stopped the bike, looking round. In one of the trees overhanging the road (and he remembered when there were far more of them) a bird was singing, welcoming the new day in its own way. Huinesoron smiled. 'I know how you feel,' he murmured. 'Have a good one.'
And he rode on.
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That's fiction (I should know, and I've never done that), but it could be reality... let's see... this coming Thursday at the earliest (since I'm not cycling home until then). So what makes that different from LotR? Other than quality.
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To put it bluntly... by
on 2012-03-07 05:26:00 UTC
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Your passage is firmly anchored in our reality. It's like something that you can find in a diary entry.
LotR was written as fiction and intended to be interpreted as fiction. Rings of power, elves, dragons, and the like do not exist in our reality, and cannot exist either. One can write them convincingly, like Mr. Tolkien, but at the end of the day, he has written a fantasy series and thus his world cannot be directly compared to our own.
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What about other genres? by
on 2012-03-07 05:34:00 UTC
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Would you allow the existence of an England where Jane Marple and Hercule Poirot solve murders? A star system where Mal Reynolds smuggles on the fringes of the law? A... er... something else where something else not-physics-violating happens?
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A one liner explanation... by
on 2012-03-07 05:43:00 UTC
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...if it was written with the intent of being fiction, then it should be appreciated as such.
It's not that I don't have an imagination, it's more like I alternate between two states of mind: serious and non-serious. I guess I'm stuck on serious mode when trying to think these types of situations out. -
Re: A one liner explanation... by
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Perhaps I should have just left this idea with myself. I'd like the believe that, somewhere, even as I type, Celestia and Luna lower their sun and raise their moon, changing day to night and hanging their stars in their sky, so very like our own, and yet so very far away. Maybe one day, contact will be made, from them to us with magic. But until then, I am content with my imaginary Fluttershy plushy. *snuggles imagined plushy*
Actually, I'm going to Halifax in about a week, so I might be able to get an actual Fluttershy plushy. Yay! If only I can convince whichever poor Corporal gets stuck as my buddy to go to Toys R Us and then into the section containing the MLP toys. -
Not at all! by
on 2012-03-08 23:36:00 UTC
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The day the PPC Board can't handle a debate is the day a debate goes unhandled on the PPC Board!
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Oh my God. by
on 2012-03-07 03:17:00 UTC
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You, sir, have inserted the barrel of your magical fandom revolver into my ear and BLOWN MY MIND.
I have always wished that the Hetalia nations were real. Possibilities...
However, it also means that somewhere incomprehensibly far away, there is another planet, precisely like Earth down to the position of every last atom of gold, where the only difference is that I am a neo-Nazi. And that frightens me a little. -
Wait, the nations aren't real? by
on 2012-03-09 16:30:00 UTC
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I watch C-Span a lot. I'm pretty sure I've seen Alfred in the gallery a couple times, looking BORED TO TEARS. XD
But seriously. I like this idea a LOT. That means that everything wonderful I've dreamed of not only *can* happen, but already has somewhere.
And that person isn't you. It's someone who happens to share your genetic code, but hasn't had the experiences that make you you. -
That's true. by
on 2012-03-09 18:20:00 UTC
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I'm pretty sure I spotted him in the crowd during the 2010 White House Correspondence dinner, laughing at Seth Meyers' jokes.
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Alfred. Alfred everywhere. by
on 2012-03-09 19:29:00 UTC
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The more you look, the more it's obvious that world history makes no sense because the nations are idiots.
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Re: Oh my God. by
on 2012-03-07 08:48:00 UTC
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Well, I try not to think about those places. I'd rather just find my wonderful Fluttershy. But the chances of that happening are so ridiculously small it's actually depressing.
You know what's even scarier than the thought of us all being Neo-Nazis? Goddamn Daleks. I'm not even Whovian, but I know what they're like.
But let's focus on the ponies. The most depressing thing about that is that if, someplace, FiM is real, so is G3. But there's totally a Fluttershy out there, and we all want her. *cuddles imagined Fluttershy plushy, squees a little*
Also, I can't stand revolvers. I just think they're a terrible choice. Six shots at best, at least ten seconds reload time, a pain in the arse to carry around all that loose ammunition, not to mention the fact that revolvers are generally large, bulky, noisy, high-calibre weapons that are near impossible to conceal and will have about twenty guys on you with the first shot you fire. With revolvers, your best bet is actually a Pugnose .38, because they're a relatively small-calibre revolver (most are .45) with a short barrel, and it isn't quite so generally big. It's still a loud bugger, but it's actually better than a Colt, at least for my purposes. -
Re: Oh my God. by
on 2012-03-07 09:06:00 UTC
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If I could move to any universe, I would pick Ponyville in Equestria. It just seems so nice there, and I love small towns.
True, I do prefer semi-automatics when it comes to handguns. Lots of room in a magazine, easy to reload, and all. Revolvers do look cool, though. Especially if you're a cowboy.
That reminds me, steampunk! Somewhere is a steampunk universe!
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I am having this conversation with a woman, yes? Marry me. Yes, revolvers are BA and fun to use, but it's just not practical in the age of SMGs and automated turrets.
If I had the choice, I'd leave it all behind to go to Equestria. Even if I had to remain human, I would be happy there. I wouldn't miss much. I'd be too preoccupied with helping Fluttershy to think about the Internets, Scratch would take care of music when need be, and I honestly don't like my family. I'd be glad to be away from them. Besides, Equestria could use a human defender in the event of a crisis. The Elements do their job, but a little assistance would certainly help.
And if I couldn't go to Equestria, I'd probably choose Mossflower-verse. More specifically, Redwall Abbey or Salamandastron. I could fit in at either place, really. It's far more dangerous there than some other continua I could choose, that's what makes it fun, yeah? -
Equestria? Huh. by
on 2012-03-09 16:35:00 UTC
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My school of thought on this matter is 'why pick one place when you can travel with the Doctor and see them all'. But that's just me.
If I *had* to just pick ONE, I'd go with Hogwarts. It's been my home since I was nine years old.
My list in descending order: Hogwarts, Narnia the Discworld, the world of Implied Spaces, Middle-Earth, or the Inkworld.
Most of the other continuua I like would be nice places to visit, but I sure as HECK would NOT want to live there. Example: The Firefly-'Verse, the Ender's Game-verse, the World of Darkness, the Bartimeus-'verse, the Terriverse... -
Re: Equestria? Huh. by
on 2012-03-13 13:38:00 UTC
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As much as I love the Potter-'verse, I really couldn't live there. As a Muggle, I wouldn't be able to enjoy the reasons I would be going there in the first place.
Middle-Earth? Too many Nazgûl, Orcs, Goblins, giant goddamn spiders, and other unpleasant etcetera, too few awesome parties to make up for it.
Narnia? Oh, Hell no. I wouldn't go there. I'd probably wind up doing my level best to kill Aslan and Peter, and where would that leave the continuum? It use to be a favorite, until I got old enough to notice all the religious undertones. That doesn't make the writing low-quality, but it just started to irk me. Aslan quickly became a very annoying character, I don't mind telling you, and I hated Peter anyway. And I could totally go off on a sexism rant about what Father Christmas said about women going into battle, but that would take too long.
I haven't read any of the other continuua you mentioned yet, although I plan on reading Discworld as soon as I finish off Watership Down.
In descending order here: Equestria, Mossflower, and then last but not least Mockingjay-era Panem. [SPOILERS COMMENCE] I know that last one sounds insane, but what better way to pass the time than sit on a roof in the beautiful Capitol, wait for a target, and help the forces of good? And to witness Coin's death would make my day.[SPOILERS END] -
Eh... by
on 2012-03-13 22:29:00 UTC
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See, Equestria's TOO pink and fluffy for me. I'd keep vomiting pink sugar everywhere...and then getting annoyed when I had hooves instead of hands... And then getting even MORE annoyed because I'd be allergic to all the tasty cakes and things. Oh, and wanting to STRANGLE Pinkie Pie for being annoying, but unable to, because see above. *has a DEEP-SEATED and slightly irrational hatred of the MLP continuum, due to having an EXTREMELY ANNOYING friend who was a pegasister... nuff said*
Well, yes... That's true. *sad half-smile* You forget, when you're fantasizing, that you wouldn't have any wizard DNA. I'd just be an incredibly jealous Muggle. I dunno, I could still wind up marrying Justin Finch-Fletchly or something. XD
... True. True enough. I wouldn't last five minutes, unless I stuck close to Bree/the Shire. I'd just want to learn all the LANGUAGES. *grin- amateur polyglot is an amateur*
I love Narnia. If I could live there, I'd do ANYTHING. I wouldn't even mind the religious overtones. [I'm somewhere in between Mormon and agnostic, for the record, and not too happy with God at the moment.] But... It's the most beautiful fictional world I think I've ever seen. And it's fantastic, without being as DANGEROUS as Middle-Earth.
Discworld is brilliantly funny. Still plenty of horrible ways to die, but brilliant. I'd even be able to get used to the Ankh-smell to live in a world like that. :D
Implied Spaces is too big and complicated and lovely to explain, so I'll just shoot you a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implied_Spaces
It's every RPer's/PPC'ers wet dream. A multiverse where you can literally be anything you want to be, in any NUMBER of infinite universes. Also, you can die in a zombie apocalypse and live to tell the tale. What's NOT to love?
The Inkworld is the world of Inkheart/Inkspell/Inkdeath. Being able to read yourself into and out of books...
Anywhere by Diana Wynne Jones/Miyazaki would be a good place to live, too.
Watership Down is love. Good on you for reading it. :)
Oh, and I'd TOTALLY jump at being a PPC agent if I got the shot at it. All my useless skills would MEAN something! :D -
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on 2012-03-14 00:51:00 UTC
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Oh, yeah, I've read Inkheart/Inkspell/Inkdeath. It's been a while though. Dustfinger is goddamn awesome. Him and Orpheus.
I had a nightmare about Watership Down once. I was a rabbit. Got stuck in a snare like Thlayli did. Elil all around, and no Owsla to help me, no other rabbits at all. Then the elil vanished and Cowslip appeared with the others from that big warren and they danced around screaming, just as bad as the elil. Freaked me right out. Woke up with my headphones wrapped around my neck. Didn't sleep for the next two days.
What?! A deep-seated hatred for a thing as wonderful and wholesome as MLP? I assure you Equestria is not as pink and fluffy as you assume. If you watch the pilots, there's some serious stuff being done. The antagonist tries to kill our six friends no fewer than two times during the course of events, although the ending is kinda cheesy. And the S1 opener isn't even the best example. That would be S2 opener. It's goddamn hilarious, but still retains definite elements of danger. Another good episode is "Over a Barrel". Seriously, watch all of S1, and then go read "My Little Dashie". You will gusta the ponies after that. If you don't, my Agents owe yours a bottle of Bleepka once I get Permission. -
Heh. Hehehe. by
on 2012-03-14 08:00:00 UTC
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I didn't like Orpheus much, mostly because he screwed Dustfinger over so bad. Dustfinger is one of my lust objects (how could you tell?) and so I tend to want to set things up so that he gets a happy ending.
Oh, the Watership curse words [and the word d'arvit] were the ONLY thing that got me through high school. I had a rather stupid teacher who tried to get me to stop saying 'frick', 'crap', 'darn', 'heck', 'stupid', and so on. So I started saying 'embleer', 'hraka', 'd'arvit', and such. It literally saved my life.
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Re: Oh my God. by
on 2012-03-07 18:14:00 UTC
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Very true. I shot an assault rifle once, too. There was a lot less of a kick than I expected, but the thing was so loud I could feel it in my teeth.
Were I to go to Equestria, I would have to drag my brother along with me, because I don't think he'd forgive me if I didn't. And who needs internets when you're surrounded by ponies? That's like 80% of the internet right there.
Redwall's awesome, I would totally live there. Surrounded by good food and awesome people, and all I'd have to do to live comfortably is help out with dishwashing and such. Plus, they don't really have a real religion, so it's totally cool that I'm agnostic. -
Re: Oh my God. by
on 2012-03-07 20:56:00 UTC
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Barret .50 cal sniper rifles are louder. And the newer ones might burn you if you shoot funny.
As to living at Redwall, I'd be hard pressed to choose between there and Salamandastron. Salamandastron could always use another Sergeant, but Redwall would be much more comfortable. And I'm an Atheist, I think they'd even accept that. It would be equally easy to make friends in either place, and the fare is fine and plentiful at both.
But Equestria would be better than either. Food is still fine and plentiful, and, while I wouldn't dare eat anything furred for fear it's sapient, there are still fish I could eat as my meat/alternatives. There would be a great many jobs I could do, friends would be in no short supply, and of course I might be able to find some sort of untapped magic, should the matter of their world sink into me enough. And then there would be the matter of finally finding out why places like the Everfree obey our laws rather than theirs. Equestria just has so much more for me.
Hehe, 80% of the Internets. What's the other 20? Because it's not cooler. -
Barret .50s aren't rifles, you know? by
on 2012-03-10 11:32:00 UTC
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They're ARTILLERY. Developed for extreme long range sniping and anti-vehicle duty. (And I think it cover "bullet-proof Sues too)
Military spec ammo not only can take down helicopters and aircrafts, but there are even armor piercing explosive incendiary versions.
That's it, with a single shot from that rifle you pierce a vehicle from side to side, blow up something inside and then set it on fire. -
Re: Barret .50s aren't rifles, you know? by
on 2012-03-13 13:22:00 UTC
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I was close enough. Anti-tank rifle, basically. It's just that it's not only tanks. Still fires bullets, not shells. There's still rifling in the barrel, unless someone figured out a way to make something halfway accurate without rifling. And it's still shoulder controlled. The kickback would probably dislocate your shoulder if you weren't wearing the right gear, though. And I was still right that it will burn your face if you shoot funny.
Yes, it would take care of "bulletproof" Sues. It would take care of them very well. One explosive round to the gut later, and all you have to clean up is the mist of blood that fell over everything, and a couple of stray body parts that you could easily just put through the Cafeteria's meat grinder. It's not like anyone would notice the difference in the food anyway. -
Yay! Um... by
on 2012-03-14 17:40:00 UTC
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*Looks down at food* You haven't put this into practice, have you?
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It's not one of mine. by
on 2012-03-14 17:46:00 UTC
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Still have to kill the first one with that rifle.
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I Meant The "Sue as food" thing. (nm) by
on 2012-03-14 18:46:00 UTC
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Yeah. by
on 2012-03-13 17:24:00 UTC
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I thought it had to be fired only from its bipod, though. Well, one of my Agents owns an M82A1, and is going to use it in his next mission. He's going to fire it from a prone position with bipod unfolded, as he's not very muscular.
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Re: Oh my God. by
on 2012-03-07 23:23:00 UTC
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I'm afraid I have reached the end of my extremely limited gun know-how. All I know I learned at Venture Shooting Sports Weekend a couple years ago.
The only problem with either universe for me is that I'm a total carnivore. But I think I could give up chicken if it meant living in Redwall or Ponyville. But yes, Equestria seems so much more fun, even if I'm human when I'm there. Or especially, it would be nice to keep my opposable thumbs.
The funny thing is that I didn't even notice I did that when I said 80%. I must be subconsciously a genius. Who knew?
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Help... the stupid, it burns... by
on 2012-03-07 19:24:00 UTC
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So, I was looking around the Pit, when I found something horrible, stupid, and canon-breaking. Its author calls it 'Legendary Heroes' and it's a Nanoha/Harry Potter crossover.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7484814/1/Legendary_Heroes
It breaks logic every five sentences. Within the first chapter Nanoha is either massively possessed or just replaced. Please, please someone help me to PPC this thing. Fair warning: Whoever does this can expect long, long rants. I have references. -
Ow. by
on 2012-03-16 03:01:00 UTC
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I couldn't read past the first paragraph, it was so disjointed.
First, "A special charm" is just about the worst way to describe magic while still using proper grammar, and I have vagueness in spell descriptions, the author could, at least, NAME the spell Dumbledore is casting!
Second, who wouldn't notice that their boss is holding a BROOM? Brooms are large, bulky, and very obvious, so missing that someone has one is inexcusable. The writer could at least mention that the broom was shrunken, and hidden in Dumbledore's pocket, if he didn't want anyone to know he was going somewhere.
Third, this is Albus Dumbledore we're talking about here! Can't he just apparate to where he wants to go? -
Brain hurty. by
on 2012-03-10 10:00:00 UTC
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"Ms. Figg revealed that she was a Squid later"
Aaaaaaaagggggghhhhhh! Strange mental images!
I read one chapter and all characters I recognized were OOC/possesed/replaced. Plus there was the bad spelling. -
Oh god yes. by
on 2012-03-10 10:03:00 UTC
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I saw that line too. It reminded me of First Encounter. AAAAAAAAAH!
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Only in the Pit... by
on 2012-03-09 05:34:00 UTC
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(clutches head and convulses on the floor)
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Re: Help... the stupid, it burns... by
on 2012-03-08 23:35:00 UTC
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Ehhh? Am I reading this right? Nanoha is the new DADA teacher, in Hogwarts? Ehhh?
-Grasps heads, mumbles incoherently-
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Re: Help... the stupid, it burns... by
on 2012-03-08 23:45:00 UTC
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That's what Sergio and I are gonna do. And yes, this is post robot-claw-through-the-chest. Also, she's eleven.
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Re: Help... the stupid, it burns... by
on 2012-03-08 23:45:00 UTC
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AND THIS IS WHEN UMBRIDGE IS THERE.
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...wait. by
on 2012-03-09 09:26:00 UTC
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Is "character from foreign continuum replaces Umbridge as the DADA teacher" turning into a genre on its own?
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Re: Help... the stupid, it burns... by
on 2012-03-09 00:58:00 UTC
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Oh my god. They're messing with Nanoha. The bastards. Kill 'em all, I say; they are effing /messing/ with Nanoha.
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That's what the M82A1 anti-materiel rifle is for. by
on 2012-03-09 11:46:00 UTC
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Heavy, you're a sitting duck with it, but .50 caliber explosive armor piercing incendiary rounds (Yeah, they do exist) kill anything up to Replacement!Nanoha level.
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Wow. by
on 2012-03-07 23:39:00 UTC
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I'm pretty sure OMG is not Japanese.
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Re: Wow. by
on 2012-03-08 00:17:00 UTC
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No. No it's not. Although I don't know whether Fangirl Japanese would be better.
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Welp. by
on 2012-03-07 22:04:00 UTC
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I don't actually know Nanoha, but every Harry Potter character is pitifully OOC and my brain also broke during the first chapter by the way.
It's so broken that I temporarily forgot how to use commas. -
It's worse that you know by
on 2012-03-08 00:22:00 UTC
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Yeah. The main character works for an interdimensional organization that thinks mages are extremely rare--there've been, as far as they know, two good mages in the last 100 years or so. The main character, Nanoha, also recently suffered a massive injury that means if she uses a lot of magic, she could lose her ability to use it completely.
Suddenly, a guy on a broom flies up to her and wants her to teach at his magic school, in a subject she knows nothing about, when she is eleven years old, has school and training for the aforementioned agency, and CAN"T USE A TON OF MAGIC. AS IN, WHAT HOGWARTS TEACHES. AT A SCHOOL THAT SHOULD NOT EXIST. See any problems here? I don't think Dumbledore even explains what Hogwarts IS.
Oh, and Nanoha's family tree is a teeny-bit small. See, her dad is a retired ninja bodyguard, who quit the business, married, and changed his name after most of his family died. His only relative, other than his children, is his sister, whose husband died and who works at an antiterrorist organization in China, I think. This fic says that Snape is Nanoha's UNCLE. HE SHOULD BE A NINJA AND DEAD. -
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Wait, no. The Fuwas were Samurai, although they are more ninja-like, with their ability to dodge bullets and break physics. My point still stands.
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What is this I don't even. by
on 2012-03-09 16:23:00 UTC
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What. Just. What. O.e
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... I want to kill this fic. I want to kill this fic so bad. (nm by
on 2012-03-08 13:23:00 UTC
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I'm in. (nm) by
on 2012-03-07 20:24:00 UTC
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Possible sporking required? by
on 2012-03-09 16:53:00 UTC
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Hey. This is the very first fanfiction I wrote, and the only one I've ever posted on FF.net.
It's the ONLY Bartimeus Trilogy/Axis Powers Hetalia fanfiction out there. I'm not sure whether this is a good thing or a bad thing.
Can someone read it, and spork it if it requires sporking?
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Don't think it is. by
on 2012-03-10 05:01:00 UTC
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I'm not familiar with Axis Power Hetalia, but I have read the Bartimeus Trilogy, and I can't actually find anything about this that requires sporking. In fact, it's actually pretty good.
It's possible, however, that somebody familiar with Hetalia will find major problems with it, but I can't actually find anything all that wrong with it. -
Well okay, there's one thing by
on 2012-03-10 05:11:00 UTC
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Kitty's description is pretty Sue-ish- there's not enough time after her introduction to really establish her as a Sue, but the "trendy" descriptor combined with resilience is a warning sign. Still, there's not enough there to really pin anything on her.
But honestly, this isn't anywhere near bad enough to spork. It actually does seem to respect the Bartimeus canon, as far as I can tell. In fact, just judging from what I can see in the three chapters avaliable, I would probably read more of this. It's not super great, but it isn't bad either. -
Thank you muchly. by
on 2012-03-10 08:22:00 UTC
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Ohmygosh, you have NO idea how good that makes me feel.
This was the very first fanfic I ever wrote. And I binge-read the Bartimeus books beforehand to make sure I got the flavour right.
^^; I'm aware that this fic has issues, but most of them are more to do with characterization than plot.
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On recruitment of canon character replacements. by
on 2012-03-09 23:48:00 UTC
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So I've just discovered (entirely by accident) that we have not one but two copies of Maglor Feanorion running around the PPC: Dafydd Illian and Hawthorne Agamemnon Morgan. I think that's awesome, and if Dafydd wasn't retired, I'd be trying to arrange a meeting.
Then I remembered the existence of Team Phoenix, and specifically Alec Trevelyan, and I got to wondering: how many other copies, replacements and dopplegangers of canon characters does the PPC have on the books? 'cause they should totally have a party.
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Not currently but in the works, by
on 2012-03-14 15:57:00 UTC
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I have a saiyan who was going to be one of those, "And he looked like X character but..." characters. So he looks kind of like Vegeta, but is definitely not Vegeta.
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Well... by
on 2012-03-11 02:15:00 UTC
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Tray and I recruited Wusiji Doctor and Oujide Doctor in our last mission, copies of Professor Elm and Oak, respectively, who speak in poorly translated English. I have plans for them... and yeah, I think a party would be awesome.
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Agent Kelok by
on 2012-03-10 21:02:00 UTC
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In his homefic, Kelok was supposed to be Todd the Wraith from Stargate Atlantis.
The characterization was so far off that he was deemed an OC that couldn't assimilate into the background, and he was recruited. Since he was supposed to be Todd, he has some memories of being Todd, but they are terribly faint and usually just leave him with confusing bad dreams. He has only a passing physical similarity to Todd, and completely lacks the distinctive, and awesome, deep voice that Todd has. Also, thankfully, he lacks the ambition and drive to rule two galaxies that Todd had, or he couldn't have been recruited. -
Well... by
on 2012-03-10 15:42:00 UTC
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I have a character that I recruited from one of my Floaters' missions who's basically characterized as a replacement of Raoul de Chagny of Phantom of the Opera (when Suefluence is removed, that is). It's especially telling that he's a wolf, but I imagine he'd have some crazy things going there for them.
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Interesting... by
on 2012-03-10 09:41:00 UTC
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Interesting. I can imagine what happens if there is a James Bond copy there with Trevelyan, or if other enemies meet. I'd want to see it happen (or just laugh maniacally while everyone fights.)
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Depends. by
on 2012-03-10 08:13:00 UTC
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See, my agent, Grace, was originally intended to be an OC, but ended up (due to lack of characterisation and effort) as a female clone of Connor Temple. I don't know if she counts or not, but if she does, she'd love to go to this party.
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Wait, as in Primeval's Connor? by
on 2012-03-10 21:09:00 UTC
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Because if so, that's awesome.
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Re: Wait, as in Primeval's Connor? by
on 2012-03-11 04:47:00 UTC
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Yep, Primeval's Connor. :)
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That's awesomely awesome. by
on 2012-03-11 05:27:00 UTC
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Poor lovably incompetant Connor... hmm, I've just discovered that I entirely missed the existence of Series 5. And a Canadian spinoff? Good grief.
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Warning- spoilers for season 2 of Primeval within... by
on 2012-03-11 11:41:00 UTC
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I'll admit that Grace and Connor aren't that similar, but Grace (or 'Cameron' as she was originally known) was supposed to be Connor's sensible sister who didn't crack jokes and spent her time wistfully staring at Cutter and building machinery. Well, that and Grace tries her hardest to avoid being similar to Connor because she doesn't want to revert back into clonedom. All they really share is that they can't shoot.
Don't feel bad, I haven't watched past season 2 (*is painfully aware of the season 3 DVD sitting unwatched in the pile*). Killing off Stephen made me too depressed. -
You think that was bad? by
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Wait till you see who they killed off in 3.
(... which ends on a massive cliffhanger, and then the series was cancelled for three years. So cruel...!)
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I know who they killed off in 3. *sobs* Why, dammit, why?
I have to admit, the show did win points for not being afraid to kill off characters. Wiping out Claudia Brown was brilliant, though sadistic. -
Because they're cruel. by
on 2012-03-11 23:40:00 UTC
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I was really surprised Claudia never came back, actually... but yeah, there's not a whole lot of shows where anyone really can die.
Unfortunately, with Helen presumed dead (... again...), the villains are a lot less interesting. Except the ones which are giant ancient monsters with massive pointy teeth, they're still kind of cool.
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Re: Because they're cruel. by
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I would have loved it if they brought Claudia back, but... yeah. Or anyone else they killed. But, it's pretty good that they don't use time travel to cheat death- it reinforces the 'anyone can die' thing.
Oh, I loved the giant ancient monsters. That was the one thing that kept me watching when I hated the character subplots *cough*Stephen and Helen*cough*- after all, watching Stephen and Cutter playing tag on motorbikes with a raptor is enough to keep anyone entertained. -
Huh. by
on 2012-03-10 04:40:00 UTC
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Do you think my house cat reincarnation of Murdoc Niccals could attend? He'd probably just leave presents in any unattended shoes, but still.
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Oh, that's Brilliant. by
on 2012-03-10 01:30:00 UTC
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I loves it. Perhaps my ooc-Sherlock-Holmes-from-a-badfic can show up.
He became aware of his fictional incarnations (due to being transferred to the modern world) and started wearing a deerstalker hat and a bright blue scarf. Just for irony. XD -
I can think of a few. by
on 2012-03-10 01:22:00 UTC
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My Agent Derik, formerly E'rik, is a photocopy of movie!Phantom of the Opera. (Dare I say, a PotOcopy?) He was never actually purported to be the same character, fortunately. Not that the entire thing being coincidental makes sense. >.>
Agent Suicide, of course, is a clone of the Suicide from Gates of Fire, created by means of a missing apostrophe in Tungsten Monk's printing of the book, as I recall.
I remember a Wash clone being recruited, I think by Rez and Flip, though I don't think we've seen him since.
Marsha the Triceratops was a character replacement for Cera the Three-horn.
Eclectica is "an Eccentrica Gallumbits ripoff," according to her wiki page. (I have no idea who Eccentrica Gallumbits is.)
In addition to Team Phoenix, a few other dead canons have appeared in the PPC post-resurrection: Behnashiren and Jara Hamee come to mind. Just to be clear, though, this sort of thing is discouraged anymore, since ripping actual canon characters out of their canonical deaths just so we can play with them is kind of hypocritical for an organization that's supposed to preserve the canon.
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Just to say... by
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I'm not sure if Paddlebrains counts, being an alternate (and nutty :P) version of Sirius Black, even if she has retired. Thought I'd suggest her anyway.
I believe the Wash clone appeared in one of Trojie and Pads' missions - the SGA Sue, They needed him to fly a ship that I can't remember off the top of my head.
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Since you didn't like my category... by
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... can you think of a better description? With the possible exception of Derik, these people are clearly linked in some way, but you're right, they're none of them former canons (since, by definition, a canon character is written by the original author - and no published authors have written their characters into the PPC yet). So what can we call them? They're not all replacements, not all copies... what are they?
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Names for the replacements. by
on 2012-03-10 08:32:00 UTC
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Pale imitations? They're not as good as the originals?
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Dunno, I don't like the sound of that. by
on 2012-03-10 13:53:00 UTC
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It sounds too negative. And mean.
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How about... by
on 2012-03-10 19:58:00 UTC
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... just straight 'Copies of Canon Characters'. That seems to cover all the bases (even allowing people like Derik and Pads), and gives us a ready-made category if a character replacement ever becomes important outside of HQ.
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Actually... by
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"Imitations" might be the way to go. It's splitting hairs, but I think "copy" has a more physical connotation, and "imitation" can mean anything from looks to behavior to whatever, and it's also built in that there can be poor or excellent imitations, though possibly with a bias toward "poor." If something is copied, on the other hand, I think the standard assumption is an exact physical copy.
Does that make sense?
(Also, that was you on the wiki? How come you were logged out for the category stuff, but not everything else?)
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Possibly. by
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But what about people like the Mysterious Somebody, who was probably an actual clone, not just a badfic one?
(Yeah - work computer, IE 'In Private', closed the window and forgot to sign back in. Pity - one more categorisation and I get a badge ;)
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I used the "Badfic clone" term sometimes by
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Still, it's only applicable if the character actually is from a badfic.
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"Agents derived from canon characters"? by
on 2012-03-10 21:20:00 UTC
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Or copied from, or ripped off from... it's all very clumsy.
Imitations still sounds very negative, copies, clones and replicas are all too precise...
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Maybe we just need multiple terms. by
on 2012-03-11 00:54:00 UTC
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"Alternate Versions of Canon Characters" (e.g. Pads, Dafydd, Suicide), "Former Character Replacements" (self-explanatory), and... eh, do we have to glorify the few actual canons who were recruited by giving them a category? As I recall, even Chatvert agrees it was a bad idea now.
I think that still leaves Derik sans category, but that's okay.
Or we could resist the urge to categorize everything, but that may be asking too much. {= )
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In the end, I think they can fall under "badfic recruited" by
on 2012-03-11 11:09:00 UTC
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If a copy of canon character or not, better leave it for the Agent's page.
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We already have a "Badfic Characters" category. by
on 2012-03-12 04:16:00 UTC
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It's actually a fairly disorganized category, since it includes everything from types of badfic characters to agents recruited from badfics. Current sub-categories are "Reformed Sues," "Slain Mary Sues," and "Sue and Stu Classifications."
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So... by
on 2012-03-12 11:51:00 UTC
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... should we add Bocce as a sub-category?
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But some of them aren't even that... (nm) by
on 2012-03-11 20:53:00 UTC
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I suggest "Based on Canon Characters." by
on 2012-03-11 17:23:00 UTC
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That should pretty much cover all the different types. Badfic clones, recruited canons, AU versions, even Derik. Might be a bit too broad when taken literally, but we can use our discretion concerning which characters belong.
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Based on Canon Characters... by
on 2012-03-12 01:14:00 UTC
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Or BOCC's for short.
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Does that mean if we understand them... by
on 2012-03-12 01:47:00 UTC
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... we can speak Bocce?
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... Let's do this. by
on 2012-03-12 02:03:00 UTC
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JUST so that we can make 3PO jokes. XD
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I am fluent in over six forms of communication... by
on 2012-03-12 05:36:00 UTC
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... including Fangirl. :P
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Which dialects? by
on 2012-03-12 17:30:00 UTC
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I speak Fangrelvish, Fangirl Japanese, and Fangirl-Squeal.
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Re: On recruitment of canon character replacements. by
on 2012-03-10 01:04:00 UTC
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Sergio Turbo has the character Nikki Cherryflower, who's a Kinomoto Sakura replacement. My agent Ari is a replacement of Alicia Testarossa, and in the next two missions, there's going to be two more Alicia Testarossas. Don't tell Luxury that there's three copies of the same girl with different personalities running around.
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Keep Luxury out Nikki's way too. by
on 2012-03-10 08:50:00 UTC
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She's barely legal age, and if Agent Sergio discovers about that it will trigger both bad memories (His first mission was with Luxury. I still need to get around writing that, though) and homicidial rage (Nikki's a badfic clone of his LO after all. And she's the rookie he's training too.)
Good think Nikki stopped wearing school uniforms after recruiting. It seems that Luxury has a fetish for those.
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IIRC by
on 2012-03-10 16:46:00 UTC
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Kids. Lux apparently got REALLY angry when a child was about to be raped in That Series.
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Hello! by
on 2012-03-10 10:20:00 UTC
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Hello! I'm from Portland OR in the US of A. Favorite fictions include Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Battletech/Mechwarrior, and whatever strikes my fancy at the time. I tend to jump from crossover to crossover, explaining how I got from Harry Potter/Lord of the Rings to Battletech/My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. The second crossover had a goodfic. I don't know how they did it. Anyway, here I am!
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Re: Hello! by
on 2012-03-12 01:38:00 UTC
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Welcome! And have a generic Distraction, capable of diverting anyone's attention for up to an hour, depending on the IQ of the person in question.
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Greetings by
on 2012-03-12 00:47:00 UTC
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Good to have you on board. Here, have a pyrotechnic conifer. Be warned, it can be dangerous!
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Welcome! by
on 2012-03-10 20:09:00 UTC
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Here, have a plushie TARDIS and a near- bottomless bag to carry all your loot in!
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First plover! (nm) by
on 2012-03-10 17:52:00 UTC
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Welcome! by
on 2012-03-10 17:46:00 UTC
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Welcome to the Board! Have some of my hydrophobic water! Perfect for demolition jobs: a few drops will take out the toughest concrete wall.
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Re: Hello! by
on 2012-03-10 16:46:00 UTC
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Hi! Welcome to the PPC! Have some cookies!
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Oh hai there! by
on 2012-03-10 16:05:00 UTC
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We love new guys! =D
Here, have some Aram Khachaturian for the road: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ1bFGWsiTs -
Hi there! by
on 2012-03-10 15:32:00 UTC
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Nice to meet you! Have a lampshade hat, it's perfect for parties!
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Heyyo... by
on 2012-03-10 14:39:00 UTC
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Hi! My name's AnnaBee. I like LOTR and Star Wars, too.
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'Ello there! by
on 2012-03-10 13:51:00 UTC
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Welcome to the Board! Here, have some chocolate, and enjoy your stay!
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Welcome, then. by
on 2012-03-10 13:29:00 UTC
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Have an awesome-laced cookie.
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Good to have you a-Board! by
on 2012-03-10 13:20:00 UTC
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Greetings, new friend! Have a Battleaxe of Pillaging +3.
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Re: Hello! by
on 2012-03-10 13:12:00 UTC
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Hi! Have some fudge!
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Welcome to the PPC! by
on 2012-03-10 11:51:00 UTC
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Glad to have you here, we're always glad to meet new friendly people. :D
Have a bag of pebbles and a Random Shiny Object. They're excellent for distracting Sues.
Hope you have a good time here!
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New interlude: Saline and Priyala by
on 2012-03-10 20:31:00 UTC
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Click.
Also introducing Greg and Julien. They'll get an interlude on their own soon.
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Concrit by
on 2012-03-12 16:11:00 UTC
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It's good, but it feels a bit off somehow. I think it's that it's a bit hollow.
The emotions feel underplayed. If I found a snake in my bed, I would shriek, but it's brushed off very quickly. I know that some people react to different situations, but it doesn't seem realistic.
Also, I don't understand Saline. The whole thing about her being tough, but really caring about her partner feels like it came out of no where. It could just be me missing some crucial bits like I have been lately, and if it is, please tell me.
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Yay! We've got a card shop now! Now I have somewhere to send [unnamed future agent] for his Magic cards!
I'm curious about a couple of things. What misspelling caused Priyala's anemia? Apologies if it was already mentioned in another piece and I've forgotten.
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This thing needs expanding. by
on 2012-03-12 16:42:00 UTC
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In general. About the things San said and all that stuff and it will probably return later on. I've been writing on it.
About the anemia: That's from her fic of origin, which was PPCed by Guvnor. Sleeping Sue and the Eight Minis or something like that. It was supposed to be amnesia.
About the blueprint: Do you really want to know? Nah, it's probably something technical. Maybe a death ray. I'll expand on that too. For Sal, it's most likely the better alternative to reading a crappy magazine.
So, look out for Interlude++.