Jan 2009 Archive, part a

  • A little Hermione/Eragon, anyone? by Purplefluffychainsaw on 2009-01-01 22:26:00 UTC Link to this

    Oh, how I wish I was joking. Someone really needs to hit her with some Britpicking: aside from the normal spelling mistakes (ie, mum/mom)/utter failure to work with the school system, she also has 15/16 year olds driving.

    http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4708181/1/Summer_with_Eragon

    There's a charming little Narnia/Twilight crossover too. I don't know Twilight, but I do know that Vampire!Peter hurts my brain (and that I assumed the Summer girl was an OC).

    http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4727000/1/Peters_Drastic_Change.

    And, yes, she does include those little one paragraph openings in all of her fics, I checked. The first two are "Apologue"s, apparently, so preface is at least a little better.

    • Not entirely sure how it works in Britain, but... by pigeonarmy on 2009-01-02 12:59:00 UTC Link to this

      In New Zealand I could drive when I was 16. Admittedly, I wasn't that good, and admittedly, I was only on a Leaner's License, but I knew several people who could drive well at 15/16. So that doesn't appear to be a major problem.

      The rest, though, burn her dead.

      • It's older here. by Spud avec on 2009-01-02 14:03:00 UTC Link to this

        Yeah. You have to be 17 to drive, at least with a proper license. I think it still counts as a charge, being that HP is supposed to be set in England.

        Still, there's plenty enough to go on already without having to bring up the car. Heh.

        • even with a provisional... by Pads on 2009-01-02 15:35:00 UTC Link to this

          I think you still have to be seventeen before you can apply for a provisional licence. Might be earlier for motorbikes, I don't know, 'cause I don't drive.

          Of course, one could also charge for Hermione bothering with a car. I'm pretty sure she can, y'know, Apparate. What with being a very good witch, and all that.

          • That would still be chargable by Heliomance on 2009-01-02 16:50:00 UTC Link to this

            You have to take a test to be allowed to Apparate, and I think the age limit on it is still 17/18.

            • 17 for Apparition by Pads on 2009-01-02 18:41:00 UTC Link to this

              Harry couldn't take the test with Ron and Hermione in HBP, remember? Because his birthday's not until the summer, so he was only 16 when the first opportunity to take the test came round.

              And re: it being a charge her driving when she can Apparate - if they're ignoring driving age limits, they're probably ignoring Apparition age limits. And even if they're not, she's still got no reason to learn to drive. (And no opportunity to either, what with being at Hogwarts all the time.)

            • You have to be 17 to get a provisional by Purplefluffychainsaw on 2009-01-02 17:22:00 UTC Link to this

              My brother went through it last year, plus I had to watch all my friends go through it because I got diagnosed with epilepsy about a month before my birthday. XD Which is probably why it irritates me quite so much.

              I'm fairly sure it's 16 for mopeds though, or really low power motorbikes.

              • Yeah, that's right. by Spud avec on 2009-01-02 20:14:00 UTC Link to this

                A lot of my schoolfriends are getting their mopeds round about now (as in, when they turn 16)

    • I want the Narnia/Twilight one... but I have a question... by Sedri on 2009-01-02 00:01:00 UTC Link to this

      Am I qualified? I've only seen the film (I am planning to read the Twilight book, though) - I'm not hugely impressed by it, but sparkly skin aside, it doesn't annoy me. The way she treates Peter, though... grrr. But this looks Twilight-film-based anyway.

      I now join the ranks of those of you with a growing backlog of missions-to-write, but I want to claim it nonetheless. Any objections.

      • Right, officially claimed. Here's hoping... (nm) by Sedri on 2009-01-03 07:34:00 UTC Link to this
    • Ouch. by Anity on 2009-01-01 23:18:00 UTC Link to this

      I'm afraid to even open thse links.

    • What the frak? by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-01 23:08:00 UTC Link to this

      That's all I have to say. Someone kill this!

    • Do ... not ... want by Spud avec on 2009-01-01 23:03:00 UTC Link to this

      Dialogue like that makes my brain hurt. Few things annoy me more than questions without the '?'

      Urgh, I think some people are gonna be picking up headaches from that. Also... whoo! Go Britpicking!

    • *jawdrop* by Neshomeh on 2009-01-01 22:48:00 UTC Link to this

      *sound of tinkling glass as her mind shatters*

      That... it... just... why??

      Apparently this writer has a thing for crossing good fandoms with fandoms that many people despise. I guess I don't know for sure how people here feel about Twilight, but my guess is that anything in which the canon characters actually sparkle is bound to be frowned upon. My morbid curiosity isn't even enough to make me try reading the series. {= P

      If nobody wants the HPxEragon one, I'll put it on my kill list.

      ~Neshomeh

      • Looks like I'm taking HPxEragon, then. by Neshomeh on 2009-01-06 20:12:00 UTC Link to this

        *shudder* We'll just have to trust Ilraen to keep Nume from killing Eragon, I guess.

        ~Neshomeh

      • Re Twilight: Sparkling I can stand, the stalking I can't. by Laburnum on 2009-01-02 02:44:00 UTC Link to this

        I've not read the books, but by all accounts Edward's a creepy bastard. He BREAKS INTO BELLA'S HOUSE.

        • It's twisted. Particularly as he's meant to be a gentleman.. (nm by Sedri on 2009-01-02 03:55:00 UTC Link to this
          • I believe the author said in an interview somewhere ... by Laburnum on 2009-01-02 10:34:00 UTC Link to this

            ... and I quote, "I've never stalked anyone but I'm sure I would be good at it."

            See why I don't want my sister reading these books?

            • Good point. by Sedri on 2009-01-02 21:18:00 UTC Link to this

              Though maybe she was joking?

              Still, I'll reserve judgement until I actually read the book.

    • Confusing dialogue by Heliomance on 2009-01-01 22:47:00 UTC Link to this

      Aye, this needs sporking. This exchange is going to give whatever Agent witnesses it a real headache.

      “By the way my name is Eragon.” he told me as he took his seat.

      “Hermione.” I said

      “interesting name”

      “I could say the same to you.”

      “My parents got it from Shakespeare, how about you.”

      Then there was a look in his eyes that seemed to be getting glossed over with hard thought. “I really don’t know, I never knew my parents.”

      “How sad” I said trying to sound worried.

      Now, either one of them says two sentences in a row, which doesn't seem to work, or a third person joins in unannounced. Trying to read it, it seems the speakers are Eragon-Hermione-Eragon-Hermione- waitaminute, Eragon comes from Shakespeare? Shakespeare doesn't exist in Alagaesia. Then after that it's Eragon speaking again.

  • Tektek Dream Avatar- accessories by Ugolino on 2009-01-02 03:13:00 UTC Link to this

    Does anyone know where I could find gun accessories or armour such as stormtrooper armour to add to the avatar? I had Mandalorian armour in mind for Parjir...

    • I'd forgotten by Rilwen Shadowflame on 2009-01-03 13:57:00 UTC Link to this

      I'd forgotten you'd chosen the name Parjir. I know I read it and frowned once before, but put it out of mind without saying anything. Perhaps my brain was avoiding the problem, since I've had a future Agent in the works for quite some time now, named Parjai. Clone commando.
      I approximated him with this.

      • Re: I'd forgotten by Ugolino on 2009-01-03 22:41:00 UTC Link to this

        Well, it would be interesting if the two meet. Ms. Parjir is a Travissite Mandalorian in the style of Kal: an aggressive recruiter about as fanatical as Traviss is in real life. Let's see how your commando reacts to her aggressive recruiting...

        • oh, also by Rilwen Shadowflame on 2009-01-03 23:47:00 UTC Link to this

          Version 2.0 of a Mando maker.
          Version 2.3.
          You can always do the face in another program, and use this for the armour. ;)

          • Re: oh, also by hungryugolino@gmail.com on 2009-01-04 00:18:00 UTC Link to this

            Thanks for the links.

        • He's used to it by Rilwen Shadowflame on 2009-01-03 23:39:00 UTC Link to this

          I hadn't fully decided, but Parjai's squad was either one of Rav Bralor's or Isabet Reau's.
          Besides, it'll be good for the guy to have some new source of Mando knowledge, poor boy. Perhaps she can teach him bits of Mando'a he missed in his training, ad other bits and pieces. No dar'manda status for this commando.

    • As in, not from the generator? by Makari on 2009-01-02 03:52:00 UTC Link to this

      Or items within the generator? 'S been a while since I fooled with Tektek, so I dunno for sure... hm. But I remember Gaia likes their knock-offs of popular culture~

      I might try www.subetahq.com/wardrobe - it's a generator for the Human Avatars on Subeta.

      I personally prefer that sort over the Gaia ones, and there's a bit more variety that I've observed. Depending on what sort of guns/armour you're looking for, the Invader set might work, or the Cyborg Soldier set.

      Umm... yeah. ^^; There's another generator for the S-HAs that lets you do nifty things with the hair, though I don't particularly like how they coded it...

      But anyway. ^_^ Hope I've managed to help a little. And there's always photoshop, etc, to change colors around.

      • Not within. by Ugolino on 2009-01-02 03:59:00 UTC Link to this

        If there are guns or poles that pass for Star Wars electrostaffs there, I missed them...

        Thanks for the links. Any Gaia-style weapo/armourn pics out there?

        • Hmm... can't think of anything else, sorry. :/ (nm) by Makari on 2009-01-02 04:18:00 UTC Link to this
  • Problem with my page on the PPC Wiki... by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-02 05:56:00 UTC Link to this

    My userpage has a little problem with the website link thing. I'm linking to my LJ, but it doesn't appear on the page. Any ideas?

    • found it by IndeMaat on 2009-01-02 12:50:00 UTC Link to this

      and fixed it.

      link should have been Website Link

      • Ooo, thank you! *hugs* (nm) by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-02 18:06:00 UTC Link to this
  • Up-to-date news from HQ (Plug) by Huinesoron on 2009-01-02 18:57:00 UTC Link to this

    The End of the Beginning: Broken Storm

    The above story is happening right now. Specifically, the scene at the end finished seconds before I posted this. How's that for up-to-date?

    hS

    • Hm. by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-03 21:50:00 UTC Link to this

      Well written, as always. And yeah... sparkly, indestructible vampires should go get another name. Cos they're not vampires.

    • Aww. by Neshomeh on 2009-01-03 17:22:00 UTC Link to this

      I would hug her if I weren't fairly certain I'd end up dead. {= (

      ~Neshomeh

    • Oh dear. by Adagio on 2009-01-03 17:20:00 UTC Link to this

      So Selene is now officially off the deep end, huh? Shame.

      Well written as always!

    • wow by Rilwen Shadowflame on 2009-01-03 14:01:00 UTC Link to this

      Poor Selene...that's just sad.

    • Poor girl Still, it's nice to see all the 'verses like that. (nm by Sedri on 2009-01-02 21:26:00 UTC Link to this
    • Aw, poor Selene. by Sara on 2009-01-02 20:37:00 UTC Link to this

      Fantastic as always. Bit saddening that Selene's gone bonkers, though. End of an era.

    • *snork* Fun! by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-02 20:19:00 UTC Link to this

      And very up to date.

      (tiny voice - "the suddenly-appearing newcomer was talk," I think you meant the sudden newcomer was tall...

      As usual, a thoroughly enjoyable interlude!

    • Well, now it was up to date a few minutes ago. :P by kgarrett on 2009-01-02 20:11:00 UTC Link to this

      That was entertaining, nicely written, though (no rudeness intended) are we actually going to see any more missions from you instead of random adventures of your agents (or future versions of them)? Not that they're not fun to read, but just after that whole "missions are the core of the PPC" speech a while back, heh. :P But as I said, not pointing it out to be mean, just thought I'd ask about 'em.

      • Well... maybe one. by Huinesoron on 2009-01-03 01:05:00 UTC Link to this

        I've got one mission which is still waiting to be completed. I need to finish it before I can post the rest of End of the Beginning -- incentive, I suppose.

        hS

  • Oh gawd, it's a self-published badfic! by Laburnum on 2009-01-02 23:35:00 UTC Link to this

    This is basically The Eye of Argon all over again!
    http://www.amazon.com/ANTIGUA-Land-Fairies-Wizards-Heroes/dp/1425997821/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product

    Maybe I'll have to ship this thing over from the States and do a dramatic reading ...

    • What the frak? by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-03 21:54:00 UTC Link to this

      You can tell something's bad when the title doesn't even use proper grammar. And I bet even a fifth grader can write better than that.

      Ironic Overpower, this is NOT FUNNY.

    • *blink blink* by Matthias_Waverunner on 2009-01-03 12:47:00 UTC Link to this

      ... There needs to be some sort of limit to how many exclamation points you can use... Per page, if not per book. Because I think this one's exceeded it.

      Badly.

      And I bet Rebecca is just as super-sparkly-speshul as the three freaking princesses

    • That's painful by HelenofPylos on 2009-01-03 06:35:00 UTC Link to this

      Well, at least it is following in the tradition of painfully terrible, and kind of hilarious, books.

    • Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Ironic Over-Power, I LOATHE you! by Sedri on 2009-01-03 06:18:00 UTC Link to this

      The cliches! The angst! The STEREOTYPES! I can't TAKE IT!

      It's all my fault, too - wasn't I the one saying something about copyright laws and publishability before? *cries*

      Right, going to DO something about this...

      *runs after Ironic Over-Power with a sledgehammer*

      You frakking - THUMP! - horrible - THUMP! - pathetic - THUMP! - cruel - THUMP! - irritating thing!

      GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

    • *headdesk* by Sara on 2009-01-03 02:07:00 UTC Link to this

      The stupid! It burns!

    • *Thump* by Spud avec on 2009-01-02 23:39:00 UTC Link to this

      The sound you just heard was that of my head colliding with my desk as the sheer horribleness of that book caused me to temporarily loose consciousness.

  • Recruitin' for da WAAAGH! (Which is to say, my AHAIRQL team) by kgarrett on 2009-01-03 03:21:00 UTC Link to this

    'Ello everyone! All having good new years so far, right? Anyway, if you've been paying attention to the wiki and to my writing in the recent interlude and Christmas party (I know all of three people ever read the stuff I write, but still ;)), you'll know I've started my own team for the AHAIRQL, with Trojie's permission. Anyway, I need at least four players, and I've already got Zodfang (team head) and one of my own agents (Troy) in to sorta help the team get off its feet, but I'm going to need players, and I know there's bound to be a few people interested in getting in the League. So, I figure we have a "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" deal going on here. If anyone's interested in getting on the team, post here with the Agent you want on the team (or both if that's how you swing :P) and I'll add you to the roster. I need at least two people, but can easily deal with more if that's the case, though apparently only four players can be in any one game. Hopefully we'll all have fun with this, heh. Only real thing left that needs to be addressed is one particular idea of mine, namely the fact that I plan on turning practices for the team into a sort of running joke, or at least Zodfang's attempts at a practice.

    Now, obviously, for these scenes to work when I try to write them I require the permission of the people who control the agents on the team, though a lot of the time they'll only be mentioned, and probably their cooperation to make certain that the agent(s) in question are kept in character throughout. So, when applying to the team, please state whether you are alright with this or not. I am reasonable, and if for some reason you're not comfortable with it, I can work around it, but I do need to know these things in advance. Thanks for your time.

    • Say by kitsune106 on 2009-02-02 19:51:00 UTC Link to this

      still looking for people? agent drake is interested. sorry for not responding to this sooner.

      • Always. by kgarrett on 2009-02-02 20:03:00 UTC Link to this

        As said in your email, I'd be happy to have Drake on my team. I'll contact Trojie about it as soon as I get the chance. Basically, until I either get ten people or the season starts, I'm always accepting new players.

        • YAY!!! by kitsune106 on 2009-02-02 20:11:00 UTC Link to this

          so, what rules are said to agent drake? He is a bit naive, adn he prefers clsoe combat, and you might have to check his instruments before each game, and check his nails...

          • I don't think I understand the question. (nm) by kgarrett on 2009-02-03 01:32:00 UTC Link to this
    • Eh, what the hells. ^w^ by Lycaenion on 2009-01-03 22:19:00 UTC Link to this

      Due to extenuating circumstances, one of mine could use a little fun athletic activity to help her relax and get her mind off things.

      Agent Teek is in. She has a very short temper and her strategy for accomplishing most things is to flail wildly and hope, but she's in.

      • Alright, welcome aboard. by kgarrett on 2009-01-03 22:33:00 UTC Link to this

        I'll edit the wiki page accordingly. Seems fun.

        • *salutes* by Lycaenion on 2009-01-03 22:40:00 UTC Link to this

          Glad to be aboard!

          It does indeed seem rather amusing, especially with the cast of characters already assembled.

          • Heh, mostly depends on how Trojie writes the games. by kgarrett on 2009-01-03 23:07:00 UTC Link to this

            Still, I'm sure it'll be fun. Glad to have a recruit.

            • Well, how July and I write them... by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-04 00:26:00 UTC Link to this

              .. it's a team effort after all :)

          • ...and since I completely forgot... by Lycaenion on 2009-01-03 23:01:00 UTC Link to this

            ...you have my permission to write Teek in as you like, and I'll be glad to check on the characterisation if you need it.

            • Okay, thanks, I'll check her characterisation with you when by kgarrett on 2009-01-03 23:11:00 UTC Link to this

              I'm writing her. Do you have any email or IM or anything where I can reach you for that?

              • Yep. by Lycaenion on 2009-01-04 01:25:00 UTC Link to this

                You can reach me by email at tymberwolf29@yahoo.com, and if you prefer MSN Messenger I'm tous-les-mondes-possibles@hotmail.com.

    • In Georgia's continued, desperate attempts to by Oozaru Angel on 2009-01-03 12:02:00 UTC Link to this

      get Kumori out of the RC every once in a while, let's say that she volunteered her partner during the Christmas party. ^_^ So, Kumori's in.

      • Sounds good, I'll edit her on. by kgarrett on 2009-01-03 22:39:00 UTC Link to this

        Just one thing, you didn't say anything about the practice thing I mentioned in my post, about permission to feature the agents in those scenes. Is that alright? I asked in the post so I'd know in advance. Either way, putting Kumori on the roster.

        • Sure, go ahead. by Oozaru Angel on 2009-01-04 05:10:00 UTC Link to this

          I don't mind.

          • Alright, thanks. I'll keep you posted. (nm) by kgarrett on 2009-01-04 07:26:00 UTC Link to this
    • Are there any limitations on species? by Huinesoron on 2009-01-03 04:40:00 UTC Link to this

      Because I've got a rather bored undersized hydra in the Department of Intelligence who'd be very interested. Kyaris, of course (who doesn't have a very comprehensive Wiki article). And of course it's fine for you to do whatever you want with her. I'll try and work out how many heads she has right now if you decide she's on the team.

      hS

      • Nope, that's fine. by kgarrett on 2009-01-03 04:56:00 UTC Link to this

        We discussed all the issues on gtalk, and I asked Trojie, so you're good to go as long as all but one of her heads are blindfolded and she holds the bat in one of her mouths. Welcome aboard.

  • PLUG: Two missions at once! by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-03 05:04:00 UTC Link to this

    http://agenttrojie.livejournal.com/60386.html#cutid1

    and

    http://agenttrojie.livejournal.com/60501.html#cutid1

    which run concurrently and are respectively Agent Paddlebrains' nineteenth published mission (and will be the twentieth when we finally finish 'Pain'), and Agent Trojanhorse's twenty-fifth mission to be published (and twenty-seventh when all as-yet-unpublished missions are finally, er, finished). They can be read in either order.

    There's a bit of an Event at the end of them, too ...

    So, sporked slash for all to start the new year off with a bang!

    • yay, more agents to make the 20/25 missons mark by IndeMaat on 2009-01-03 18:54:00 UTC Link to this

      Agents Allison and Tasmin offer you a couple of been there, done that t-shirts; and some textil markers so you can write a witty/Sue or slash appropriate text on the back.

      • I think we'll have to go for ... by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-03 20:14:00 UTC Link to this

        ... the most truthful line we ever wrote:

        'Welcome to the Department of Bad Slash. Nothing will ever make sense again.'

        Thank you!

    • *APPLAUSE* Off to read! (Will comment there.) (nm) by Sedri on 2009-01-03 06:15:00 UTC Link to this
  • Been worrying since the "guy arrested for manga" story here. by Laburnum on 2009-01-03 05:29:00 UTC Link to this

    Mostly because I heard only recently that UK law prohibits illustrations that could constitute dubious pictures of children as well as photos of it, and a couple of webcomics I read could be borderline - nothing graphic, I hasten to add, but if you ever read "Jack" or "Gorgeous Princess Creamy Beamy" you'll know what I mean. The former has an arc or two focusing on child abuse, and has a couple of pictures of unclothed children, posed in such a manner that you can't see anything, and they're nonhuman and covered up by fur or feathers anyway. Nothing is actually happening, though it's made clear what was about to happen, if you see what I mean, but the abuse is treated as a serious issue and a Bad Thing within the comic's context. The latter comic has an arc involving underage teens standing around naked but not really doing anything dubious.

    I did not know that such material was potentially iffy when I read the pages in question, and I don't know when the law passed so it may not have been so at the time. As far as I know, all material in the comics is legal in the US, where it was created.

    I want to know exactly what UK law says about such material so I know what to avoid. I know in practice the likelihood of this causing problems is low, but I want to make certain. If it could be a problem I just won't look at those particular comic pages again, and if necessary I'll stop reading the comics in question altogether.

    In other news, I'm considering treatment for paranoia :) Really, I just want to know exactly what's what and don't know where to find out.

    • I think only photographs count by Purplefluffychainsaw on 2009-01-03 12:57:00 UTC Link to this

      I got that impression from an article I was reading in the Independent about the law against extreme pornography. From what I remember, it was something like "photograph and film, or anything which is indistinguishable from photograph or film".

      • They were making a fuss about manga, which is neither by Sedri on 2009-01-03 21:01:00 UTC Link to this

        neither a photograph nor resembling one. That's why everyone's worried.

        • I got the impression he was in America by Purplefluffychainsaw on 2009-01-03 22:30:00 UTC Link to this

          And therefore for people out of the USA there was no need to worry. (Mind you, I thought the whole thing was a bit stupid and that there's no way they can actually do anything). I haven't actually looked anything up though so all my info is second hand at best.

          • I remember hearing that they'd changed it here ... by Laburnum on 2009-01-03 23:36:00 UTC Link to this

            ... so artwork counted, but I don't think anything in the comics is detailed enough to count, so it's not really a problem.

            • I may not know anything, living in America and all... by Zotz on 2009-01-04 01:30:00 UTC Link to this

              But if you want to prosecute every case of this, how about prosecuting the child who draws a (admittedly badly drawn) picture of his dream girl on the inside of his math notebook? Or the person who took those photos of Miley Cyrus with her shirt off? Or... The list goes ever on and on, down from the door where it began. (Sorry, Tolkien! Couldn't resist!)

              • I know the risk is effectively nil. by Laburnum on 2009-01-04 01:59:00 UTC Link to this

                I just want to not give anyone any excuse.

                But yeah, far be it from me to protect the rights of people who would actually harm children, but this particular law would be pretty much unenforceable. Technically it would be illegal for me to draw a stick figure with its "hand" level with the groinal area of a much shorter stick figure, not that that would ever reach a conviction (mostly because nobody could tell that was what it was supposed to be, what with the stick-figure limbs all lumped together). And anime characters all look like very lanky ten-year-olds anyway ...

                • I guess the best thing to do... by Purplefluffychainsaw on 2009-01-04 11:22:00 UTC Link to this

                  ... is to just find a copy of the laws in question. Then you don't have to worry about the ifs and buts (unless you already have and it's obscure, which would just be a royal pain). I think you should be able to find such things online. ^^

                  In all honestly, though, I would find no reason to worry at all unless they actually manage to jail/punish him for it. If they accuse him and don't get anything out of it then they're not going to try it again.

    • Wish I could help, but I don't know anything about all this by Sedri on 2009-01-03 06:14:00 UTC Link to this

      Best just to keep a low profile, I guess.

      • Asked my dad and he says it's not a problem ... by Laburnum on 2009-01-03 12:02:00 UTC Link to this

        ... because I saw them ages ago and didn't go back when I realised there may be a problem, and it's clear I wasn't specifically looking for the squick.

        Phew. Just me being panicky again. Bad habit of mine.

      • 'Kay, I just won't read the specific pages again. by Laburnum on 2009-01-03 10:50:00 UTC Link to this

        If anyone checks my internet time log it'll be clear that I wasn't looking specifically for them in the whole archives, anyway, and now I'm making a conscious effort to avoid them it'll be okay. It'd probably be perfectly okay anyway, I just wanna be on the safe side. 'Snot like I was LOOKING for potentially illegal material, and I'm sure that'd be clear too because my log would be full of perfectly harmless webcomics and not other dubious material (except some badfic, but I'm pretty certain writing is okay here, and I could point to my sporkings).

  • My Immortal Deleted?!?! by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-03 10:27:00 UTC Link to this

    Where has it gone? I can't find it on FF.net! 'Tis vanished! The (hopefully correct) author profile page doesn't have it either! What's going on?

    • Fear not ... by Laburnum on 2009-01-03 10:53:00 UTC Link to this

      http://myimmortalrehost.webs.com/index.htm

      • *giggles helplessly* by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-03 11:06:00 UTC Link to this

        This person has a wonderful sense of humour. *glomps*

        But still *sigh* I wanted the 12,000 reviews. Damn you, FF.net...

        • The lulz...THE LULZ... by Maudlin Hart on 2009-01-04 00:10:00 UTC Link to this

          I'm glad that thing isn't a serious fic, which gives me license to MOCK it with much mocking!
          *mocks*

          • Who knows... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-05 10:34:00 UTC Link to this

            I think it's still undecided whether or not it was a total troll or an actual attempt at writing. Whatever it was, thank god it's over.

  • Semi-OT: Whovian Agents Be Advised! (Casting Spoilers) by Tomato on 2009-01-03 20:48:00 UTC Link to this

    The Eleventh Doctor is young and handsome. I predict a whole new batch of rabid fangirls, and shipping wars could reach a new extreme if any old companions make an appearance in Season 6.

    See article here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7807996.stm

    • Braced for impact and ready for action, SAH! by Five_redclawed on 2009-01-06 18:20:00 UTC Link to this

      Boy, and I thought David Tennant would go down in history as the Prettyboy Doctor. I figure either the BBC is actively trying to provoke fanlust, or he's just that good. Let's hope it's the latter. On the brighter side of things, the amount of new bad 10/Rose fics will probably go down...probably.

      The hair is a bit silly, though. Maybe we should throw Sylar at him. Sylar is very good at haircuts.

      Have to admit, I was rather hoping for an older Doctor in the style of OldWho, but I'll reserve judgement until we've seen him onscreen. Hey, is it true that a ton of fans threw tantrums when they heard that Christopher Eccleston left, causing the Outpost Gallifrey boards to go down? Is something like that going to happen again?

      • yep, the bitching crashed some servers by Pads on 2009-01-07 00:56:00 UTC Link to this

        I forget which, but one of the really big Doctor Who sites had so many people bitching about the emo hair that the servers crashed.

        Unfortunately there is scope for bad 11/Rose fics. Not canonical scope, obviously, but idiotic AU scope the fanbrats may jump at, since this new chap's been in something that involved him being in bed with Billie Piper.

        He must be bloody good, from what the various producery type people were saying on Doctor Who Confidential. He won them all over on the first day of auditions. So long as it wasn't with evil Samsonesque superpowers, it ought to be alright.

    • well I'm not impressed by Pads on 2009-01-04 17:12:00 UTC Link to this

      He has stupid emo hair.

      I'll trust Moffat, because he knows what he's doing, but this kid's no Ten.

      • And Ten was no Nine... by Huinesoron on 2009-01-04 22:46:00 UTC Link to this

        ... and Five was no Four, and Four wasn't a patch on Three (and had stupid hair, besides).

        Okay, I wasn't around for the latter couple, but I do remember being rather put off by Mr. "New-Teeth-That's-Weird" back at the end of 2005. And look how that turned out.

        Give him time. And a haircut.

        hS

        • they were all leading up to the wonder of Ten by Pads on 2009-01-05 03:05:00 UTC Link to this

          Surely you remember Four? Tom Baker was ace. That scarf! The silly hair! That said, I don't actually have a shrine to Four in my living room, to which myself and my housemate have been known to pray on occasion. So I think my main problem with Eleven is that he's just not suitable eye candy, not after the delectable delights of Ten.

          I know, I know, I'm meant to watch it because it's a good show. And it is good, albeit filled with painfully bad science, but it was Ten who got me watching it. It was bad enough this past autumn, with no Robin Hood and so no pretty men on the box of a Saturday night. With Ten gone, I'll be doomed. Or doomed to watch repeats on BBC3 obsessively, at any rate.

          And oh Glod the hair. It's just so painfully emo.

          • It'll all work out by Five_redclawed on 2009-01-06 18:27:00 UTC Link to this

            I know the feeling. Everyone has their own Doctor, the one they'll always keep a special spot in their heart for. Mine was Nine, and I still mourn his passing. Such is the nature of the show. There will always be another Doctor, and there will always be another Companion. Just try to keep an open mind for each new arrival.

            And hey--we still have a little more time left with Tennant. And who knows, maybe Eleven will get a haircut before Series 5 starts (they have, what, a year left?). Hope that cheers you up.

            Also, I highly doubt that the BBC will cut down on the ridiculously gorgeous men in the next few seasons. Just a hunch.

    • "Tthat one's too young!" -- The Doctor, The War Games (nm by Tawaki on 2009-01-03 21:12:00 UTC Link to this
      • Davison was only three years older. (nm) by Tomato on 2009-01-03 22:02:00 UTC Link to this
    • He could do with a better haircut, though. by JulyFlame on 2009-01-03 20:52:00 UTC Link to this

      If that long floppy hair in the photo is current.

      Can't wait to see how he does as the Doctor regardless.

      • The hair looks better in some of the other publicity pics. by Tomato on 2009-01-03 20:55:00 UTC Link to this

        Outpost Gallifrey has some nice ones.

  • Introducing... by hushpiper on 2009-01-04 01:27:00 UTC Link to this

    Uh. Hi! I'm Piper. I'm an incurable lurker, a computer geek with a huge soft spot for 1960's hacker and open-source culture (Jargon file, anyone?), and occasional lover of a truly disgusting number of random fandoms (Teen Titans, OUATIM, Death Note, Merlin, Numb3rs, Digimon, SE Lain, etc. ad nauseum). I've been a fan of the PPC for a long time. In any case, since I've come to a standstill on my attempts to get my older computer to run Linux, I've decided to take some time to hang out here and pretend to myself that I'm actually gonna write a spinoff of my own! So here I am. :)

    • Greetings and salutations! by Zoe on 2009-01-06 00:04:00 UTC Link to this

      *gives you sharpe, pointy object of choice* I've read some of the stuff on Jargon file. It's interesting stuff. Anyway, welcome to the PPC! Please leave your sanity at the door. You won't need it here.

      ~Zoe~

    • Welcome! by HelenofPylos on 2009-01-05 21:41:00 UTC Link to this

      I love open source software, particularly Linux (even though it was my ex who introduced me)!
      So have some chocolate as a welcome gift.

    • Hail and Well-Met! First Bleeprin, by Zotz on 2009-01-05 00:31:00 UTC Link to this

      A bottle of Amasec (it's a rather interesting alcoholic beverage, you can mix it with bleeprin and get Bleepasec), and a compact electronic book storage system with a crank generator. It is much easier to carry around than a bunch of books. All you have to do is download the books, open up the proper one, and then conduct a Canon Exorcism on the possessed characters.

    • Wotcha by Heliomance on 2009-01-04 20:45:00 UTC Link to this

      Welcome to the PPC. Have a Squickbrella. It's like an umberella, but it shields you from Squick.

    • Hail and well met. by Maudlin Hart on 2009-01-04 20:16:00 UTC Link to this

      'Ello, tiny person! Have some flame-broiled Suenicorn and a coconut. I'm not exactly sure why; it is just a thing that I do.

    • Nice to meet ya. by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-04 16:55:00 UTC Link to this

      Here, have a graduated cylinder! *tosses*

    • Welcome! by Buta no Kaabii on 2009-01-04 11:24:00 UTC Link to this

      Have a Prinny suit. *goes into Copy and Paste Capt. Exposition mode* It increases stats (in an RPG sense), may or may not come with complimentary Prinny bombs and a pair of swords, and makes you say "-dood" at the end of every sentence. It makes people explode when thrown, but that's... usually... only a problem in NIS videogame canons and similar games. Basically, games where people can be tossed around anytime, by anyone. (It's amusing to see the biggest normal enemies being carried by the smallest creatable characters in Disgaea, where the suits are from. Testing on the Final Final Boss, Baal, has not been attempted yet.)

      P.S. What does OUATIM stand for? Doesn't ring a bell, for some reason.

      • Dood! by hushpiper on 2009-01-05 02:19:00 UTC Link to this

        Thanks! I'll uh, have to make sure not to get tossed around while wearing it. ^^; OUATIM stands for Once Upon A Time In Mexico. I really should have spelled it out, but I was just too lazy.
        ...Dood. :D

    • Anti-Lustin Antidepressant? (nm) by WikiMaster on 2009-01-04 11:18:00 UTC Link to this
    • Weelcome! by Spud avec on 2009-01-04 10:20:00 UTC Link to this

      Have a box of hand grenades. They come in three varieties; tinsel, glitter and confetti. (although if you ask REALLY nicely I'll give you one that has all three)

      Anyhow, welcome to the board person-who-has-probably-known-about-the-PPC-way-longer-than-me!

    • Welcome! Have some Convenient Cake! by Sedri on 2009-01-04 04:30:00 UTC Link to this

      As well as a transdimensional pocket knife and an official DMS flag!

      And links!

      The PPC Wiki

      ...Well, one link, but if you search for "The Original Series" and "Permission" you'll get the ther Important Pages. :)

      Welcome!

    • Welcome! by Ugolino on 2009-01-04 02:50:00 UTC Link to this

      Here's a vibrospork.

    • Welcome! Have some lembas! (nm) by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-04 02:22:00 UTC Link to this
    • First ketchup! by Tomato on 2009-01-04 02:21:00 UTC Link to this

      Ooh, Merlin and Death Note! Cool!

      I gift you with a coxcomb, in a color of your choice. It's a sort of funny hat. Welcome to the PPC!

    • Hiya! by Sara on 2009-01-04 01:52:00 UTC Link to this

      Welcome, welcome! Here, have an egg whisk. It's shiny, gold-plated, and whisks not only eggs but author wraiths and spambots as well! Use it for good and not much evil.

      Welcome to the insanity! Enjoy your stay.

  • Cult of the Smut Carver-permission? by Ugolino on 2009-01-04 03:17:00 UTC Link to this

    May I use the Cult in an interlude? My idea was for Warren to come across a luckless pair of its cultists carving a scene from Celebrian into a wall. He would then go completely nuts, as that series led to his suffering a mental breakdown before he joined the PPC, and attack them... Thoughts?

    • Another Question& a Wars! Sue by Ugolino on 2009-01-04 20:43:00 UTC Link to this

      The question:
      What's the Star Wars universe's official designation?

      The Stu:

      http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4651314/9/Family_Bonds

      Someone forgot to tell the author that the roles of annoying kid and wesley are filled quite well by the canons, thank you very much.

      • well by Rilwen Shadowflame on 2009-01-05 04:25:00 UTC Link to this

        I believe it's just known as the SWverse, Star Warsverse, etc....or the GFFA, for Galaxy Far Far Away.

        • Oh, oh my... by Ugolino on 2009-01-05 04:30:00 UTC Link to this

          So I could make an official designation (as is true for the Batman verse)?

          I know what the fan names are, but I was referring to the Flower's NATO alphabet/random string of numbers and letters version...

          • Official designation? by Rilwen Shadowflame on 2009-01-05 05:02:00 UTC Link to this

            I don't believe I've seen those referenced before.

            • Re: Official designation? by Ugolino on 2009-01-05 05:09:00 UTC Link to this

              All continua have an official designation, as laid out by the Flowers. I've seen multiple different references to this...

              Here's the only one I can remember off the top of my head:
              http://community.livejournal.com/tawaki_ppc/9504.html

              FJÆ-4432-120-BK-1 is the Batman verse.

              • I've only seen that reference. by Huinesoron on 2009-01-08 02:36:00 UTC Link to this

                Of course, there is another referencing system, which is where we get World One (ie, the Real World).

                As I recall from (read: I've just checked) Tawaki's mission 29, the long version is the Despatch Continuum Identification Code, presumably usually used internally by Despatch, who need to be precise about these things. The World One etc version seems to be used primarily by the DES. Both of them are apparently gaining more currency (New Caledonia has been described several times as in World One, I think, and obviously Tawaki's used the long form) but I don't think either of them are standard.

                My current theory is that the DES are numbering worlds which have doors to HQ (with Earth being World One out of courtesy; presumably Origin was World Zero), while Despatch are trying to be organised about it. Most of the rest of the PPC doesn't care either way.

                However, as stated, that's just how I'm mentally rationalising it. It may be right, it may be wrong.

                hS

              • Hmm by Rilwen Shadowflame on 2009-01-05 05:12:00 UTC Link to this

                Well, I've seen far more where the consoles and the Flowers just referred to the continua by name.

                • Re: Hmm by Ugolino on 2009-01-05 05:15:00 UTC Link to this

                  I suppose the Agents could just know what the letter strings mean or geuess from the fic itself...

                  • Or it's schizo tech by Rilwen Shadowflame on 2009-01-05 05:20:00 UTC Link to this

                    You know? Not all consoles might do it the same way, owing to how odd the PPC is. I'd assume there'd be more than one filing/designation system, and good old temporal uncertainty did the rest, so now they're in use at the same time. Confusing is PPC HQ's stock in trade.

                    • So if we've learned one thing... by Ugolino on 2009-01-05 05:25:00 UTC Link to this

                      it's that continuity is all but impossible?

                      • Continuity in technology, anyways... (nm) by Techno-Dann on 2009-01-05 06:52:00 UTC Link to this
    • Sorry, but no. by WikiMaster on 2009-01-04 11:15:00 UTC Link to this

      I abhor it and anything associated with it. Even if I didn't, Huinesoron would smite me if I gave you the Permission. Try something else, please!

    • ...I was under the impresison that the Cult wasn't 'allowed' by Sedri on 2009-01-04 04:26:00 UTC Link to this

      Not outright banned, but there was some fuss with permission regarding the person who created it - I forget who - and I thought the entire thing was abandoned. Though that may have been what prompted hS to make his clear definition of what PGs don't do.

      No thoughts to help you ther, Ugolino. I never much liked the idea of that cult in the first place. Sorry.

      • I created it. It's dead. by WikiMaster on 2009-01-04 11:07:00 UTC Link to this

        It was never meant to be more than a nusiance organization in the first place (as well as an explanation for the mentions of unemployment in the New Caledonia town when PPC Canon explicitly stated that the PPC is in a constant state of underemployment). The only way that I could write anything about it again is if I get Permission(which is impossible for the time being) and write at least one mission(also impossible). While my writing career is not ended, I don't think I can risk messing up any established Canon (PPC or otherwise) for the time being.

        • So... by Ugolino on 2009-01-04 18:51:00 UTC Link to this

          that's a no?

          Just for the sake of accuracy, I'd like to point out that the Cult either exists or is believed to exist by several Agents. That makes it canon, unless it's retconned out as a myth or something...

          • It is retconned out as a myth ! by WikiMaster on 2009-01-05 10:12:00 UTC Link to this

            I don't want it, I think it's a bad idea as well (thank you kgarret, have some chocolate) and I don't want it mentioned again. I'm sorry, but I'm going with the majority of the Boarders. Have some consolation prizes, if you want.

            • Re: It is retconned out as a myth ! by Ugolino on 2009-01-05 16:04:00 UTC Link to this

              I see.

              • I should have itacalized 'is'. by WikiMaster on 2009-01-06 11:22:00 UTC Link to this

                Also, I'm sorry. Again. I just don't like being reminded of my old crimes against the PPC Canon.

            • Again, I'm sorry. by WikiMaster on 2009-01-05 10:15:00 UTC Link to this

              Please...

        • Don't bother, it was a bad idea. (nm) by kgarrett on 2009-01-04 12:17:00 UTC Link to this
      • Me, too. by Neshomeh on 2009-01-04 09:24:00 UTC Link to this

        I think the verdict was that it had gone too far and was not to be taken any further, and I don't think it was ever really PPC canon (insofar as such a thing exists at all). My feeling is that mentioning it would have the flavor of a joke in poor taste, but then, I was never a fan, either.

        ~Neshomeh

        • I agree with you. (nm) by WikiMaster on 2009-01-04 11:09:00 UTC Link to this
  • Anyone got some spare 'Sues? by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-04 17:00:00 UTC Link to this

    The DMSE&R are looking for some "volunteers" for their decreasing glitter levels lab. I didn't want to use actual badfic, because some Mary Sues are meant to be taken seriously and the author would probably object.

    So I have two plans:
    A) Ask Miss Cam if I can borrow the Badfic Challenge entries, or
    B) Ask you guys to write some "badfic" for me. Mary Sues only, thank you.

    What do you think?

    • I may be wrong... by Pads on 2009-01-08 06:59:00 UTC Link to this

      ...'cause I don't work in the DMS, and I don't know how you guys work, but... deliberate Sues? Option b) looks like creating Sues for PPC purposes. Isn't that something we, er, don't really approve of? Something along the lines of there being enough of the sods out there as it is without us making more?

      • Ahh, by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-08 16:37:00 UTC Link to this

        but these are meant for DMSE&R labs, not actual missions.

        And other Sues out there are meant to be taken seriously. If they were intentionally bad, it's easier on my consience when I put them through rapid Glitter drain dialysis or stick vampire bats in them to de-Sueify them.

    • I can do B. by WikiMaster on 2009-01-05 11:23:00 UTC Link to this

      In fact, I'd rather like to do B. How does a Daughther of Sauron and Tar-Miriel sound?

      • Lovely! (nm) by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-05 14:59:00 UTC Link to this
        • Thank you. Now, where do you send it to? (nm) by WikiMaster on 2009-01-06 13:44:00 UTC Link to this
          • There. *points above* (nm) by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-06 23:20:00 UTC Link to this
            • I mean, do I email it to you, or do I... by WikiMaster on 2009-01-07 08:01:00 UTC Link to this

              ...Post her story here?

              • Email is fine. by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-07 22:57:00 UTC Link to this

                I don't think the others want to read Suefic here, even if it is intentionally bad.

                • What's your adress? by WikiMaster on 2009-01-08 10:10:00 UTC Link to this

                  You haven't given one on this thread yet, which was why I asked where to send it to.

                  • Check the previous post. (nm) by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-08 16:38:00 UTC Link to this
                    • I'm trying! by WikiMaster on 2009-01-09 10:54:00 UTC Link to this

                      You see, I have monitor problems. Big, Bad, Monitor Problems. Sorry!

                      • Then maybe the post before that? by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-09 15:27:00 UTC Link to this

                        Cos if my name's in red, it'll have my email.

                        • Ah, that's it! by WikiMaster on 2009-01-10 13:32:00 UTC Link to this

                          You see, said Monitor problems show everything as rancid yellow-green, meaning that I can't see anything red right now. Sorry!

    • Well... by Spud avec on 2009-01-04 18:43:00 UTC Link to this

      What exactly are you looking for? (shows off his newbie streak) Are we talking 'Oh God this is bad' deliberate badfic or particularly humourous spoof badfic? I mean, I could probably do either, but I thought I'd better check first before I started off with the wrong thing.

      • The former, of course. by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-05 00:54:00 UTC Link to this

        On Miss Cam's website (here) there is a section for the Badfic challenge. Take a look at em... and take some bleeprin.

  • PPC Card Game -- New release, and request for the next. by Huinesoron on 2009-01-05 00:28:00 UTC Link to this

    First up, then:

    The PPC Card Game

    The Third Generation features a rewritten set of rules (designed to increase the role of chance, and decrease the amount of duplicate material), as well as two new types of card, and a new playable fandom: the PPC. It also includes (or, er, will include, at this moment -- I'll sort and upload it once I've written this) a Theme Deck, centered around (what else?) Crashing Down. This allows you to play as the Agents, the Mary-Sue Factory or the Black Cats in your attempt to take over HQ. It's great fun. ;) Not that anyone's ever played it.

    Now, the request. The Fourth Generation is going to be an expansion pack rather than a rewrite, which means I need material. And that means I need your help. There are five types of card you can suggest:

    -Agent: Always the most popular type of card. If you want your Agent or Agents added to the game, you need to give me a few details: The Agent's name, Department, the Fandom they work in most (yes, only one) and their species are straightforward. The years of their recruitment to the PPC or transfer to this Department, and of their retirement/death/whatever if it's happened, are less simple, but still do-able. You also need to give them a Lust Object from the fandom named above (and, as mentioned further down, it'd be really nice if you could give me the Canon card for that LO). Again, only one. And you need to list their favourite weapon. I will try to fit this into a broad category, so if you say "orc bow with poison-tipped arrows", be aware that a) you just ripped off Acacia, and b) it'll just be a bow.

    Now the complicated bits. First up, I need need need a picture of your Agent. This can be a photograph (always good), or a drawing or doll-maker image if you absolutely must. But I need a picture. If there's no picture, there's no card. Simple as that.

    Secondly, your Agent needs to have a Special Ability. You can look at the cards from the last three generations to get an idea, but in general these should be a single sentence which allows the Agent to do something he or she couldn't by the rules of the game. Most Abilities are boosts to stats. If there's a problem with your stated Ability, I'll tweak it.

    Thirdly and most confusingly, the stats. There are six of these:

    -Attack: Determines how strong the Agent's attack is.
    -Defence: The same, for defence.
    -Speed: Usually assigned by species, thus: 1 = troll, elephant, other lumbering creature. 2 = normal human speed. 3 = elf or similar. 4 = something with hooves, paws, or any other fast four-legged type. 5 = winged speed. However, there may be slight shifts, depending on the Agent in question.
    -Stealth: Helps to ambush their enemies.
    -Insanity: Higher insanity means that a 'Sue who messes with their Lust Object will be easier to kill. Lower insanity means it'll be harder.
    -Special: Used to see whether you can use the special ability.

    Your Agent's stats must add up to fifteen. No more, no less. Each stat must be a value of five or less (no negative numbers, in case you were wondering). They can be zero, except for Insanity, which needs to be positive due to the rules. And, remember: the goal here is to represent your Agent accurately, not to make the must unstoppable card you can.

    I really hope the rest of these are shorter.

    -Enemies: New to the Third Generation are Enemies of the PPC. So far, these only include the Black Cats and the Mary-Sue Factory crew. If you can think of any more (including others from either of those -- or maybe the League of MS Factories? I don't have them), please contribute them. The details I'll need are much the same as for the Agent (including, again, a picture), with these exceptions:

    -Instead of Department and Fandom, you need to say what Faction they're with -- Black Cats, Factory, or something I haven't got yet.
    -You don't need to give any years, or a Lust Object.
    -Two of the Stats are different, specifically:
    --Stealth is replaced by Observation. This is used to counter Stealth.
    --Insanity is replaced by Reinforce. The higher this stat is, the greater chance the Enemy has of calling another Enemy to its side to assist.

    Once again, the stats must add up to fifteen, and none can be greater than five.

    -Mary-Sues: The traditional enemy of the PPC, and thus far one of only two types of badfic represented. As with Enemies, these are similar to the Agent, with some exceptions:

    -No Department, Fandom or years. Instead, I need the 'Sue's age, and whether it is male or female.
    -No Lust Object.
    -No weapon. Instead, she has an artefact, which has to be one of:
    --Pendant (restores health)
    --Tiara (helps against humans)
    --Jewel (helps at certain locations)
    --Dagger (helps against anyone using a sword)
    --Crown (allows her to seduce both male and female Canons)
    --Ring (helps at certain locations)
    --Necklace (helps at certain locations)
    -Two of the stats are different, specifically:
    --Stealth is replaced by Observation. This is used to counter Stealth.
    --Insanity is replaced by Allure. This allows the 'Sue to seduce Canon characters, which increases the strength of her special ability.

    -Location, Canon, Monster: If you place an Agent in a Fandom, they can't be used unless there are Locations for them to visit, Canon characters to encounter, and Monsters to defeat. So it'd be nice if you could provide a few.

    --Locations require a picture of the location, along with its name, fandom, and what sort of location it is. In an indoor fandom, this may be different to an outdoor; while the former might distinguish "room" from "chamber", the latter might just relegate the whole thing to "building", or even "city".
    --Canon characters need their name, gender, fandom, and species. And a picture.
    --Monsters need a name, fandom and species, along with (yes) a picture, a location they would be found in (which means it'd be nice if you gave me the location card, too), and three stats. In this case, the stats can each go up to six, and are independant -- no limit on the total. The stats are Attack, Defence and Health, each fairly obvious; the only 6-6-6 monster so far is the Balrog.

    I should point out that the five fandoms already in use are: LotR, Harry Potter, "Anime", "Sci-Fi" (yes, I've clumped genres together there) and, now, the PPC itself. LotR is pretty much saturated for Monsters and Locations, but the others are fairly wide open.

    I'm happy to take as many cards as you want to offer. Don't feel you can only post one Agent -- give me everything you've got. :P And then, someday, I'll find someone to play this with me...

    hS, continuing his mission to waste a lot of time.

    • Canons by Tasari on 2009-01-18 07:57:00 UTC Link to this

      Name - Gender - Canon - Species - picture

      Captain Malcolm "Mal" Reynolds - Male - SF - Human - http://www.fireflywiki.org/img/Mal23.jpg

      Kaywinnit Lee Frye - Female - SF - Human - http://www.browncoats.com/UserFiles/435d3d1bdfa80/Image/kaylee04.jpg

      Inara Serra - Female - SF - Human - http://just-a-dream.net/cosplay/inara/peach/peach01.jpg

      Zoë Alleyne Washburne - Female - SF - Human - http://www.firefly-tvs.com/bios/pics/zoe-150x200.jpg

      Hoban "Wash" Washburne - Male - SF - Human - http://www.firefly.withoutshadow.com/gallery/promos/wash/images/wash02.jpg

      Jayne Cobb - Male - SF - Human - http://www.smrt-tv.com/images/v2-01/baldwin-jaynevera.jpg

      Dr. Simon Tam - Male - SF - Human - http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/firefly/images/thumb/6/63/Simon2.jpg/250px-Simon2.jpg

      River Tam - Female - SF - Scient. Altered Human - http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg175/miss_serennog/umbra/carolinesmall01.jpg

      Shepherd Book - Male - SF - Human - http://www.fireflywiki.org/img/Book23.jpg

      Genjyo Sanzo - Male - Anime - Human - http://www.animanga2000.net/saiyuki/immagini/genjo_sanzo/sanzo_02.jpg

      Son Goku - Male - Anime - Seiten Taisei/Youkai - http://sp9.fotologs.net/photo/57/2/72/amonita/1200450520_f.jpg

      Cho Hakkai - Male - Anime - Human/Youkai - http://pics.livejournal.com/kate_nepveu/pic/000fw99x/s640x480

      Sha Gojyo - Male - Anime - Human/Youkai - http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5598/salty451dm6.jpg

    • Locations and Monsters. by Adagio on 2009-01-07 19:01:00 UTC Link to this

      All from Rurouni Keshin, an anime continuum.

      Place: the Akabeko Restaurant
      Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/Akabeko.jpg
      Fandom: Anime
      Terrain: Building
      Drunken Activists may be found here.

      Place: the Shrine in the Chinshu Forest
      Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/ShineinChinshuForest.jpg
      Fandom: Anime
      Terrain: Forest
      Udo Jin-e may be found here.

      Place: the Takeda Kanryu Mansion
      Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/TakedaKanryuMansion.jpg
      Fandom: Anime
      Terrain: Building
      Takeda Kanryu may be found here.

      Place: the Kiheikan Dojo
      Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/theKiheikanDojo.jpg
      Fandom: Anime
      Terrain: Building
      Hiruma Gohei may be found here.

      And the matching monsters:

      Monster: Drunken Activists
      Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/DrunkenActivists.jpg
      Fandom: Anime
      Species: Human
      May be found in the Akabeko Restaurant.
      Stats:
      Attack- 1
      Defense- 1
      Health- 2

      Monster: Udo Jin-e
      Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/UdoJin-e.jpg
      Fandom: Anime
      Species: Human
      May be found in the Shrine in the Chinshu Forest.
      Stats:
      Attack: 5
      Defense: 3
      Health: 4

      Monster: Takeda Kanryu
      Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/TakedaKanryu.jpg
      Fandom: Anime
      Species: Human
      May be found in the Takeda Kanryu Mansion
      Stats:
      Attack: 3
      Defense: 2
      Health: 3

      Monster: Hiruma Gohei
      Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/HirumaGohei.jpg
      Fandom: Anime
      Species: Human
      May be found in the Kiheikan Dojo.
      Stats:
      Attack- 3
      Defense- 3
      Health- 4

      Maybe more to come later.

      • And more. by Adagio on 2009-01-07 23:07:00 UTC Link to this

        Locations:

        Place: the Aoi-ya
        Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/Aoi-ya.jpg
        Fandom: Anime
        Terrain: Building
        The Oniwabanshu may be found here.

        Place: the East Sea Road
        Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/EastSeaRoad.jpg
        Fandom: Anime
        Terrain: er, Plain, I guess
        The Persistent Policeman may be found here.

        Place: the Hakusan Shrine
        Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/HakusanShrine.jpg
        Fandom: Anime
        Terrain: Hill
        Sword Hunter Cho may be found here.

        Place: Hiko's Mountain
        Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/HikosMountain.jpg
        Fandom: Anime
        Terrain: Mountain
        Hiko Seijuro may be found here.

        Place: Kyoto
        Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/Kyoto.jpg
        Fandom: Anime
        Terrain: City

        Place: the Maekawa Dojo
        Picture:http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/MaekawaDojo.jpg
        Fandom: Anime
        Terrain: Building
        Maekawa-sensei may be found here.

        Place: Shingetsu Village
        Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/ShingetsuVillage.jpg
        Fandom: Anime
        Terrain: City
        Senkaku may be found here.

        Place: Tsukayama Garden
        Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/TsukayamaGarden.jpg
        Fandom: Anime
        Terrain: Plain?
        Isurugi Raijuta may be found here.

        Monsters:

        Monster: The Oniwabanshu
        Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/Oniwabanshu.jpg
        Fandom: Anime
        Species: Human
        May be found in the Aoi-ya.
        Stats:
        Attack- 3
        Defense- 5
        Health- 5

        Monster: Persistent Policeman
        Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/PersistantPoliceman.jpg
        Fandom: Anime
        Species: Human
        May be found on the East Sea Road.
        Stats:
        Attack- 2
        Defense- 6
        Health- 4

        Monster: Sword Hunter Cho
        Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/SwordHunterCho.jpg
        Fandom: Anime
        Species: Human
        May be found at the Hakusan Shrine.
        Stats:
        Attack- 4
        Defense- 3
        Health- 3

        Monster: Hiko Seijuro
        Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/HikoSeijuro.jpg
        Fandom: Anime
        Species: Human
        May be found on Hiko's Mountain.
        Stats:
        Attack- 5
        Defense- 5
        Health- 4

        Monster: Maekawa-sensei
        Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/Maekawa-sensei.jpg
        Fandom: Anime
        Species: Human
        May be found at the Maekawa Dojo.
        Stats:
        Attack- 3
        Defense- 2
        Health- 3

        Monster: Senkaku
        Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/Senkaku.jpg
        Fandom: Anime
        Species: Human
        May be found at Shingetsu Village.
        Stats:
        Attack: 4
        Defense: 2
        Health: 3

        Monster: Isurugi Raijuta
        Picture: http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd105/dracornadagio/IsurugiRaijuta.jpg
        Fandom: Anime
        Species: Human
        May be found at the Tsukayama Garden.
        Stats:
        Attack- 4
        Defense- 3
        Health- 3

        • Er, these are done and up. by Huinesoron on 2009-01-11 16:50:00 UTC Link to this

          Somehow I forgot to post that yet...

          hS

    • Mary Sues. Maybe even more to come later... by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-07 05:25:00 UTC Link to this

      Photobucket
      Mary Sue: Eruaphadiriel, water nymph, 16, female
      Jewel, Control of Water—If she is near any location with water, double her stats for one turn.
      Attack: XX
      Defence: XX
      Speed: XXX
      Observation: X
      Allure: XXXX
      Special: XXX

      Photobucket
      Mary Sue: Princess Amariel of Silverbeam, elf, 16 (in mortal years), female
      Crown, Lullaby—Nightingale-like singing voice lulls enemies into sleep for one turn; their defence is -2.
      Attack: XXX
      Defence: XX
      Speed: XXX
      Observation: X
      Allure: XXX
      Special: XXX

      Photobucket
      Mary Sue: Espanilla Reticulus, elf, 13 (in mortal years), female
      Tiara, Prima Ballerina—Dance up a frenzy and gain +2 speed for one turn. (-2 Observation)
      Attack: XX
      Defence: XX
      Speed: XXX
      Observation: XX
      Allure: XXX
      Special: XXX

      • Ah, 'Sues. by Huinesoron on 2009-01-07 17:42:00 UTC Link to this


        Mary-Sues. Oh dear.

        hS

        • Yup. Oh dear. by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-08 02:42:00 UTC Link to this

          Unfortunately, I am very good at making them up, and have accumulated quite a collection pending destruction. Here are some of them.

          Photobucket
          Lavina Roslin, 29, Human, female
          Crown, Summon Sibling—Immediately ensnare alleged sister Laura Roslin.
          Attack: XX
          Defence: XXX
          Speed: XX
          Observation: XX
          Allure: XXX
          Special: XXX

          Photobucket
          Lillian Sairlonde Morgana Potter, 11, Witch, female
          Pendant, Cute Animal Friend—Can call upon her cat Sarafyna for help.
          Attack: XX
          Defence: XXX
          Speed: XXX
          Observation: X
          Allure: XXX
          Special: XXX

          Photobucket
          Elina Gregorovitch, 17, Witch, female
          Dagger, Made-Up Spell—Her so-called “extensive magic knowledge” gives her attack 2 points in the form of an original spell. (+2 attack)
          Attack: XXX
          Defence: XX
          Speed: XX
          Observation: X
          Allure: XXXX
          Special: XXX

          Photobucket
          Iendil Ancawen, 21, Elf, female
          Crown, Seemingly Innocent—Demure and innocent appearance gives her +2 allure; promiscuous personality earns her the nearest male Canon.
          Attack: XXX
          Defence: XX
          Speed: XXX
          Observation: X
          Allure: XXXX
          Special: XX

          Photobucket
          Madeline Bellerose, 14, human, female
          Crown, Oui je parle le français—Use of French befuddles enemies and gives her +1 attack.
          Attack: X
          Defence: XXX
          Speed: XX
          Observation: XX
          Allure: XXXX
          Special: XXX

          Photobucket
          Maria Suzene, 10, human, female
          Pendant, Magic Mirror—Sparkly refractions and ego-inflating comments respectively give her +1 attack and +2 allure.
          Attack: XX
          Defence: XXX
          Speed: XX
          Observation: XX
          Allure: XXXX
          Special: XX

          Photobucket
          Míriel Starrett-Greenleaf, 18, half-elf, female
          Necklace, Summon Brother—If Richard Starrett-Greenleaf is in play, Míriel can summon him to help her.
          Attack: XX
          Defence: XX
          Speed: XXX
          Observation: X
          Allure: XXXX
          Special: XX

          Photobucket
          Richard Starrett-Greenleaf, 11, half-elf, male
          Dagger, Dubious Parentage—If Lori Starrett and Legolas are in play, Richard can lure them regardless of fandom.
          Attack: XX
          Defence: XX
          Speed: XXX
          Observation: XX
          Allure: XXX
          Special: XX

          Photobucket
          Eryssa Calendiriel, 15, wood nymph, female
          Ring, Control Plants—If she is anywhere near a plant (Flowers included) or at a location with any organism from the kingdom Plantae, double her next attack or defence.
          Attack: XXX
          Defence: XX
          Speed: XXX
          Observation: X
          Allure: XXXX
          Special: XX

          Photobucket
          Maria Constaniella White, 21, human, female
          Pendant, Master of Disguise—Enables her to escape immediately to another location in the same fandom
          Attack: XX
          Defence: XXX
          Speed: XX
          Observation: XX
          Allure: XXX
          Special: XXX

          Photobucket
          Rowena Whyte, 16, human, female
          Tiara, Mysterious Tragic Past—For one turn, +1 to her defence for every Canon held as they swear to her that they will protect her.
          Attack: XX
          Defence: XX
          Speed: XX
          Observation: XXX
          Allure: XXXX
          Special: XX

          Photobucket
          Starr Prettyprettyprincess, 13, human, female
          Crown, Tears of Resurrection—Bring back any previously killed Mary Sue card.
          Attack: XXX
          Defence: XX
          Speed: XX
          Observation: X
          Allure: XXXXX
          Special: XX

          Actually, Iendil and Starr are from crazyroninchic's LotR 'Sue parodies: "I Blame Iendil Ancawen Entirely" and "Never Leave Fanfiction Lying Around". My Inner Suethor *smacks Inner Suethor with a copy of LotR* created the rest. It's interesting what you come up with when you use these dollmakers...

    • Some Sues. by Adagio on 2009-01-06 19:41:00 UTC Link to this

      Since the game seems rather lacking at the moment.

      Name: Raven Serena
      Picture- http://public4.tektek.org/img/av/0901/d06/1311/5150808.png
      Species- human
      Age- 13
      Gender- female
      Stats-
      Attack:2
      Defence:3
      Speed:4
      Observation:3
      Allure:2
      Special:1
      Single Tear- raises Allure by +2, drops Observation by -1.
      Artifact- pendant

      Name- Kit Crimsonstar Fox
      Picture- http://public4.tektek.org/img/av/0901/d06/1328/e06f405.png
      Species- demon
      Age- 15
      Gender- male
      Stats-
      Attack:4
      Defense:3
      Speed:2
      Obervation:1
      Allure:4
      Special:1
      Fox Eyes: Raise Observation by +2
      Artifact- dagger

      Name- Amelia Cullen
      Picture-http://public4.tektek.org/img/av/0901/d06/1337/0fb6846.png
      Species- vampire
      Age- 105
      Gender- female
      Stats-
      Attack: 2
      Defense: 3
      Speed: 3
      Observation: 2
      Allure: 3
      Special: 2
      Sparkle in Sunlight- Raise Allure by +2, lower enemy Defense by -1
      Artifact: jewel

      • Thank you very much! by Huinesoron on 2009-01-07 00:58:00 UTC Link to this


        The Sues

        hS

    • My agents... by Tomato on 2009-01-06 18:07:00 UTC Link to this

      Name: Beethoven "Moonlight" Sonata
      Photobucket
      Department: Mary-Sues
      Fandom: Science-Fiction
      Species: Typo
      Years: 2007-
      Lust Object:
      Weapon: Lightsaber
      Special: Paranoia- +2 Insanity for one turn
      Attack: 3
      Defence: 1
      Speed: 2
      Stealth: 2
      Insanity: 5
      Special: 2

      Name: The Rouge
      Photobucket
      Department: Bad Slash
      Fandom: LOTR
      Species: Typo
      Years: 2008-
      Lust Object: Eowyn
      Weapon: Dagger
      Special: Grammar Ninja- +2 Speed when facing Mary-Sues
      Attack: 3
      Defence: 1
      Speed: 2
      Stealth: 3
      Insanity: 4
      Special: 2

      Name: April Amelia Halloway
      Photobucket
      Department: Mary-Sues
      Fandom: Science-Fiction
      Species: Human (Magpie Daemon)
      Years: 2002-
      Lust Object: Obi-Wan Kenobi
      Weapon: Revolver
      Special: Magpie Divebomb- +3 Attack for one turn
      Attack: 4
      Defence: 0
      Speed: 2
      Stealth: 3
      Insanity: 3
      Special: 3

      Name: Lora Riker
      Photobucket
      Department: Mary-Sues
      Fandom: Science-Fiction
      Species: Android
      Years: 2008-
      Lust Object: Wesley Crusher
      Weapon: Phaser
      Special: Platinum Skin: +1 to Defence
      Attack: 5
      Defence: 5
      Speed: 3
      Stealth: 0
      Insanity: 1
      Special: 1

      Name: Michel Javert
      Photobucket
      Department: Bad Slash
      Fandom: Les Miserables
      Species: Human
      Years: 2008-
      Lust Object: Cosette
      Weapon: Truncheon
      Special: Old-Fashioned- +2 Defence against female Sues
      Attack: 4
      Defence: 3
      Speed: 2
      Stealth: 2
      Insanity: 2
      Special: 2

      • Fun! by Huinesoron on 2009-01-07 03:23:00 UTC Link to this


        DMS


        DBS

        hS

        • Pretty! by Tomato on 2009-01-07 13:46:00 UTC Link to this

          Thank you!

      • I'll note in passing... by Huinesoron on 2009-01-06 21:36:00 UTC Link to this

        ... that while I think there've been Agents without LOs before (a couple, in the game, I mean), having no LO and a special ability which raises a stat which is /only used in association with the LO/ seems a bit weird. So you might want to edit Agent Sonata a bit. :P

        (And I'll make these tonight, or try to)

        hS

        • Sorry! by Tomato on 2009-01-07 01:57:00 UTC Link to this

          I meant to go back and write one in, once I thought it up. Moon's LO is Princess Leia.

    • But not every Agent has a Lust Object (nm) by Heliomance on 2009-01-05 11:59:00 UTC Link to this
      • I know. It's a game mechanic. by Huinesoron on 2009-01-05 22:02:00 UTC Link to this

        You can read it as "Favourite character" if you prefer.

        hS

      • Which is basically one reason why I can't help. *shrugs* (nm) by Sedri on 2009-01-05 21:01:00 UTC Link to this
    • Some Agent and Canon cards by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-05 08:16:00 UTC Link to this

      Some Agent cards for you (I've got more to come but they'll require me to make canon location/character cards as well, so they might be a few days)

      Name: Trojanhorse
      Department: Department of Bad Slash
      Fandom: Narnia
      Species: Human
      Year of Recruitment: 2003
      Year of Retirement/death: N/A
      Lust Object: Caspian X
      Weapon: Bell (blunt instrument)
      Picture: http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Trojie_goes_WTF_why_are_you_taking_my_photo.JPG
      Special Ability: Unsquickable: +2 Insanity, -2 defence for one turn
      STATS
      -Attack: XX
      -Defence: XXXX
      -Speed: X
      -Stealth: XX
      -Insanity: XXX
      -Special: XXX

      Name: Montbretia Tornquist (Mombi)
      Department: Department of Angst
      Fandom: Harry Potter
      Species: Human
      Year of Recruitment: 2005
      Year of Retirement/death: N/A
      Lust Object: Sirius Black
      Weapon: Hand-to-hand combat
      Picture: http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Mombiface.jpg
      Special Ability: Cheerfulness: +2 Defence, -2 Stealth for one turn
      STATS
      -Attack:XX
      -Defence:XXX
      -Speed: XX
      -Stealth:XXXX
      -Insanity: XX
      -Special: XX

      Name: Soulshadow
      Department: Department of Bad Slash
      Fandom: LOTR
      Species: half fire-demoness, half human
      Year of Recruitment: 2003
      Year of Retirement/death: 2005
      Lust Object: Elrond
      Weapon: Bow
      Picture: http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Soulshadow.png
      Special Ability: Burst into flames: + 1 Attack, Speed, Insanity, -1 Defence, Stealth for one turn
      STATS
      -Attack: XXX
      -Defence: XX
      -Speed: XXX
      -Stealth: XXX
      -Insanity: XXX
      -Special: X

      And some Narnia cards just for giggles

      Location: Cair Paravel
      Fandom: Narnia
      Picture: http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8673/chteaudecairparavel2dr.gif
      Type: Castle

      Location: Aslan's How/Stone Table
      Fandom: Narnia
      Picture: http://acct.tamu.edu/smith/narnia/narnia_stone_table.jpg
      Type: Ancient Landmark

      Character: Peter Pevensie
      Sex: Male
      Fandom: Narnia
      Species: Human
      Picture: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/71/Narnia1pt.jpg/220px-thumb.jpg

      Character: Susan Pevensie
      Sex: Female
      Fandom: Narnia
      Species: Human
      Picture: http://www.poifect.com/annapics/albums/userpics/10001/normal_narnia15.jpg

      Character: Edmund Pevensie
      Sex: Male
      Fandom: Narnia
      Species: Human
      Picture:http://filmgrenade.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/edmund.jpg

      Character: Lucy Pevensie
      Sex: Female
      Fandom: Narnia
      Species: Human
      Picture:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d7/Lucy_Pevensie.jpg/240px-Lucy_Pevensie.jpg

      Character: Caspian X
      Sex: Male
      Fandom: Narnia
      Species: Human
      Picture: http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2008/06/05/narnia_caspian_narrowweb__300x402,0.jpg

      Character: Mr. Tumnus
      Sex: Male
      Fandom: Narnia
      Species: Faun
      Picture: http://images.ebaumsworld.com/thumbs/avatars/MrTumnus/MrTumnus-1214198693.jpg

      Yes, all the Narnia character pics are movieverse. I'm justifying this two ways: a) most of the fic we end up sporking/seeing is movieverse, and b) I couldn't be bothered trawling through google to find non-movieverse pictures I liked :P

      Enjoy!

      • Apparently... by Huinesoron on 2009-01-06 01:37:00 UTC Link to this

        ... I forgot to put Lucy in. So here she is:



        Also, there is inexplicably no Sirius Canon card yet, so I'll make that too.

        hS

      • Here you go. by Huinesoron on 2009-01-06 01:35:00 UTC Link to this


        Trojie


        Mombie


        Soulshadow


        Cair Paravel


        Aslan's Howe


        The Pevensies


        The locals

        And thank you very much for all those cards.

        hS

        • *grin* Awesome! by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-06 01:36:00 UTC Link to this

          You're welcome. As I say, more to follow if you want them :)

          • Always. (nm) by Huinesoron on 2009-01-06 01:37:00 UTC Link to this
    • And some more cards... by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-05 05:46:00 UTC Link to this

      Location: Battlestar Galactica, Battlestar Galactica (so “Sci-fi”), Battlestar
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Battlestar_Galactica_-_Re-imagined_series.jpg”>Picture
      Location: New Caprica, Sci-fi, planet
      http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:NewCaprica.jpg”>Picture
      Location: Caprica, Sci-fi, planet
      http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Caprica_from_Orbit.jpg”>Picture
      Location: Kobol, Sci-fi, planet
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kobol.jpg”>Picture
      Canon: Laura Roslin, female, human, Sci-fi
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LauraRoslin.jpg”>Picture
      Canon: William Adama, male, human, Sci-fi
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WilliamAdama.jpg”>Picture
      Canon: Six, female, humanoid Cylon, Sci-fi
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Number_Six_Tricia_Helfer.jpg”>Picture
      Canon: Lee Adama, male, human, Sci-fi
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LeeAdama.jpg”>Picture
      Canon: Kara Thrace, female, human, Sci-fi
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KaraThrace.jpg”>Picture

      • Nice fandom. by Huinesoron on 2009-01-06 01:41:00 UTC Link to this


        Galactica


        Worlds


        The Crew

        And from your other post:


        The DMSE&R

        hS

        • Thanks! Loffly as usual. :] (nm) by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-06 01:57:00 UTC Link to this
    • Well then... by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-05 05:09:00 UTC Link to this

      I'd like a card for these three. Eledhwen and Christianne are Agents and Lilith is an Enemy.

      Eledhwen Elerossiel, DMS, LotR, Elf, 2008-
      Lust object: Frodo
      Weapon: Sword
      Picture: How about this one?
      Special Ability: Generic Elf—can lose distinguishing characteristics in home continuum: +1 stealth, -1 insanity
      Attack: 2
      Defense: 3
      Speed: 3
      Stealth: 2
      Insanity: 2
      Special: 3

      Christianne Shieh, DMS, LotR, Human, 2008-
      Lust object: Maglor (Because Dafydd ain't Canonical. What?)
      Weapon: Sword
      Picture: Here.
      Special Ability: Sadism boost—In Canon locations, +2 Attack, -2 Stealth.
      Attack: 3
      Defense: 2
      Speed: 2
      Stealth: 2
      Insanity: 3
      Special: 3

      Lilith of the Wintry Woods, League of Mary Sue Factories, Elf
      Weapon: Aura of Smooth (If that doesn’t work, then a sword will work)
      Picture: Here.
      Special Ability: Doppledanger—If Eledhwen is also in play, Lilith can masquerade as her and try to gain information for the League.
      Attack: 3
      Defense: 2
      Speed: 3
      Observation: 1
      Reinforce: 3
      Special: 3

      Are there any cards for PPC staff? Not Agents, but staff. Like Doc Fitz or something? Just wondering.

      • These three. by Huinesoron on 2009-01-05 23:35:00 UTC Link to this


        Eledhwen


        Christianne


        Lilith

        I'm assuming that doppledanger is a deliberate pun, rather than a typo. And may I just say (again) that I'm really impressed with your drawings.

        hS

        • Oh my gods, thanks! They're luffly! (nm) by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-05 23:38:00 UTC Link to this
      • The Staff... by Huinesoron on 2009-01-05 22:05:00 UTC Link to this

        ... appear in the Third Generation as Canons. There's about six of them. Except the Flowers, who appear as Monsters. The PPC ain't easy to fit into the game framework.

        hS,

        • Ahhh. by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-05 23:55:00 UTC Link to this

          Here's two more Canon cards, then.
          Canon: Lori Starrett, female, PPC, human
          Picture
          Canon: Bill Fallis, male, PPC, human
          Picture

          • Actually, I should note... by Huinesoron on 2009-01-06 01:43:00 UTC Link to this

            ... that there are Agent cards for a couple of members of the Medical and FicPsych Departments. I'm probably going to add Intelligence ones. But people like Personnel, DoSAT, DMSE&R etc are probably best as Canons.

            hS

            • Ahh. :) by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-06 02:14:00 UTC Link to this

              Now here's two Monster cards...(and another location card)
              You can tell I'm busy wasting my time as well.
              Location: DMSE&R labs, PPC, laboratory
              Picture
              Monster: the Thistle, PPC, Flower
              Lives in DMSE&R labs
              Picture
              Monster: the Echinacea, PPC, Flower
              Lives in DMSE&R labs
              Picture

              • Voila. by Huinesoron on 2009-01-06 16:29:00 UTC Link to this


                The Labs


                Those who make it happen

                hS

    • You want them here or emailed to you? by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-05 03:20:00 UTC Link to this

      I've got ... six agents I can give you, for starters. Will have to wait til I get home, though, as working out stats for fictional characters in card games probably doesn't count as proper use of my work time :)

      -Trojie, always happy to further the cause of wasting time

      • Here is fine. by Huinesoron on 2009-01-05 03:23:00 UTC Link to this

        Or email is fine. Preferably the one above, but I check them all.

        hS

        • I'll ponder stats and abilities while I work by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-05 03:26:00 UTC Link to this

          and put them up when I get home, then :)

  • Question about Minis by Zotz on 2009-01-05 00:41:00 UTC Link to this

    What would the Minis in a 40K fic be? Mini-Bloodthirsters come to mind for some reason.

    • Re: Question about Minis by Zotz on 2009-01-05 21:58:00 UTC Link to this

      This seems to be a deadlock. Mini-Bloodthirsters look more like Mini-Balrogs, but Mini-Nightbringers are an established fact. I guess it would depend on which has more lulz. I need a definitive answer, though. I found a mini-________ in a badfic. Abbadon. It has a particular fondness for 80's music. And dinosaurs.

    • Long ago, I discussed this with another Boarder, Winter. by WikiMaster on 2009-01-05 11:32:00 UTC Link to this

      We eventually decided on Mini-Nightbrigners.

      • ...and there's one, right there! Hello, Nightbrigner. (nm) by Maudlin Hart on 2009-01-05 13:03:00 UTC Link to this
    • grots? by Techno-Dann on 2009-01-05 04:48:00 UTC Link to this

      Mini-Bloodthirsters would work as well...

      • Yeah, Mini-Bloodthirsters. by kgarrett on 2009-01-05 19:57:00 UTC Link to this

        None of the other races really have anything that'd apply.

    • Maybe you and KGarrett can talk it over. by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-05 01:04:00 UTC Link to this

      He's a 40k fan as well. Personally, I don't know anything about the fandom, so I'm no help.

  • Harry Potter badfic report by Tasari on 2009-01-05 01:49:00 UTC Link to this

    http:`//www.fanfiction.net/s/4421404/1/Under_the_Full_Moon -- Kill it with fire... Timeline is odd and screwed up, three 'Sues, one of whom may be an Elf (named Silimarillion). They are pursuing Remus, Sirius, and Severus and we may possibly have paedo/dubious age of consent issues there (again, hard to tell because of the weird/wrong timelines). Possible unlicenced animagi 'Sues. One of them has an ipod, though it theoretically takes place in 1996-97. One wears Hot Topic "bondage pants"...

    • Ouch, by Anity on 2009-01-05 21:43:00 UTC Link to this

      I only read your post, and... An iPod in the 1990's? An elf named Silimarillion? *Anything* named Silimarillion? And I'm not sure I *want* to know what Hot Topic bondage pants are. No, wait, cancel that; I'm sure I don't. *follows the link anyway*

      • Hot Topic Bondage Pants by Zotz on 2009-01-05 21:53:00 UTC Link to this

        They're these rather bad@$$ baggy black pants with chains, spikes, d-rings and straps on them. I have a pair. They're a pain in the butt to wash, because it has to be done by hand. Also called "Jacob Marley Pants" by Maudlin Hart because of the incessant jingling said chains cause. Stupid Suvians, always mucking up a perfectly good article of clothing... *goes away muttering curses at all Suvians*

        • they ring a bell by Pads on 2009-01-08 06:31:00 UTC Link to this

          Hot Topic Bondage Pants, I mean. Did they crop up a couple of months back? Either way they're a traumatising mental image.

        • Oh, okay. by Anity on 2009-01-05 23:39:00 UTC Link to this

          They sound neat, actually. Wonder if I can get a pair...

          • They're a bit expensive though, by Zotz on 2009-01-06 17:31:00 UTC Link to this

            At $60 a pair. Of course, this *might* be an example of jacking the Americans' prices up.

    • *jawdrop* by Buta no Kaabii on 2009-01-05 09:44:00 UTC Link to this

      An elf? Named Silmarillion? Oh, you have got to be kidding me. She didn't even spell the name right on some occasions. An iPod... Smite smite smite. Oh, and her profile has minis in it, such as "Elros Erestor", created by a missing comma. Yes, burn the fic... Burn it until there's nothing left to burn!

  • OT: Favorite Webcomics? by JulyFlame on 2009-01-05 19:44:00 UTC Link to this

    Been on the hunt for new webcomics to read, and just wondering if anyone here has any suggestions for good reading~

    So to help with this, I'll boost off with some of the ones I read:

    xkcd which is always a classic, and nerdy, and geeky, and I'd have to wonder what's wrong if you don't read this.

    Girl Genius . Is really awesome and steampunky and mad scienceness and long. And has Jagermonsters. And surprisingly few fic about, but I know Vixenmage -one of the Boarders here- wrote one that was pretty good.

    Rice Boy has already finished, but it's interesting, has really unique art, and has awesome characters. The One Electronic is
    Head Trip is fun and has fandomy stuff, and a few priceless strips regarding Twilight. It hasn't updated for awhile, but still awesome.

    The Zombie Hunters has zombies. :D

    Ps238 has superheroes. In Elementary School.

    Crowfeathers is awesome as well. Wild West and the supernatural and angels and hee.

    And that's what I got~

    What've you people got to show, awesome comic wise?

    • A fewÂ… by wingnut on 2009-01-07 11:16:00 UTC Link to this

      Skyfall's pretty cool. Fantasy, two races at almost permanent war, something up with the gods, six artifacts that're probably a key of some sort.

      You may or may not've seen, but… Shades of Grey is pretty good, too. Heaven, Hell, a lot of mixup.

      Mixed Myth is finished, but pretty awesome. People chase about parts of a dragon, one part tries to take over the world.

      Sea of Insanity uses Greek mythology. Mainly follows a nymph who used to date Apollo, Calliope who does duty as her muse, her doctor who turns into a fish, and some guy.

      And… it's not really a webcomic, as such, but I wouldn't be counting on seeing it on shelves too soon. Axis Powers Hetalia is worth a look, though your mileage may vary, given it portrays history (the main storyline following WWII) with anthropomorphized nations.

      Johnny Walker is a kind of slice-of-life thing. The artist Aido has done some other pretty awesome stuff, and is currently subbing at Applegeeks, which also might be worth checking out.

      • Messed up on the Sea of Insanity link. by wingnut on 2009-01-07 11:18:00 UTC Link to this

        It should be http://fractuslux.comicgenesis.com/ rather than what I've typed. Sorry.

    • Ooh... by hushpiper on 2009-01-07 04:25:00 UTC Link to this

      I must second xkcd!
      And to add one that hasn't been posted yet, I absolutely love A Softer World, a one-shot collaborative comic, made up of Emily's photos and Joey's text. It's brief, hilarious, graceful, creepy, macabre, and often thought-provoking. Here is what they wrote in the description for one of their t-shirts:
      Here's what's going to happen when you wear this shirt out: A really attractive person is gonna come up to you and say "Oh, A Softer World! I read that too! Man, I wonder what the heck is wrong with that Joey guy, seriously? Who thinks up things like that? Anyway can I buy you a coffee or something -- Oh my God, I'm sorry I didn't realize you two were together! Faux pas!" And then as the three of you awkwardly laugh off the faux pas the person will slip a small piece of paper in your jacket pocket. When you get home you will notice it and unfold it. On the paper will be the following message:
      YOU ARE BEING WATCHED

    • Just a few by Five_redclawed on 2009-01-06 18:12:00 UTC Link to this

      People seem to have covered most of my favorites, so I'll just post a few:

      Shortpacked!--set in a retail toy store, the comic mainly focuses on the lives of the cast, but occasionally throws in comics that make fun of various fandoms--primarily the DC comics universe and Transformers, but it includes others. It makes fun of fandoms and fan antics in the way only a veteran greek would know how to do. Screamingly funny, with a spinoff comic posted on Mondays. www.shortpacked.com

      The 10 Doctors--This is actually a fan webcomic, but it's so awesome I had to include it. It's a Doctor Who comic wherein all ten regenerations of the Doctor are brought together for unknown reasons and, in typical Doctor fashion, get caught up in all sorts of strange adventures. It captures the spirit of the show perfectly and is a must-read (in my humble opinion) for anyone who's ever enjoyed the show. comics.shipsinker.com/

      Errant Story--A half-elf mage decides to take over the world for a school project. On the way, she gets caught up in a rather spectacular adventure. I get the feeling that the authors set out to write a different story than they ended up with, since the beginning is fairly different from the rest of the story, but it's still a pretty great fantasy webcomic in my opinion.
      www.errantstory.com

    • I second The Order of the Stick. by Neshomeh on 2009-01-06 17:41:00 UTC Link to this

      And here's a link for it. It's funnier if you play D&D or at least know some of the terminology.

      I also enjoy the following:

      Ctrl+Alt+Del (CAD) - Generally a good laugh, even if you're not a gamer (which I'm not).

      DAR: A Super Girly Top Secret Comic Diary - Nothing like the title indicates. It's crude, lewd, and pulls no punches on things like lesbianism, nudity, sex, pimples, boogers, and other things normally not mentioned in polite conversation. Also totally awesome.

      Looking for Group (LFG) - Funnier if you have at least a passing awareness of World of Warcraft.

      Casey and Andy - Ended, so no new comics, but full of mad science and geek humor.

      I think the rest of mine have been mentioned already.

      ~Neshomeh

    • Order of the Stick! by WikiMaster on 2009-01-06 11:29:00 UTC Link to this

      By Rich Burlew

      • Remove the Order of the Stick! by WikiMaster on 2009-01-11 09:37:00 UTC Link to this

        The Author just turned of my favorite characters, Celia; into a second scrappy! Now the forums are run by irrational, bloodthirsty idiots who wish very dreadful things to be done to her! Glaurung, Gothmog, and Ancaglon!

        • Sorry. (nm) by WikiMaster on 2009-01-11 09:44:00 UTC Link to this
    • In alphabetical order, even! by kd7sov on 2009-01-06 01:53:00 UTC Link to this

      Adventurers!, which mocks typical video-game traits. Warning: it's way long. As in, there are probably multiple hundred strips numbered 999, and then all the epilogues.

      Anti-Hero for Hire, which is about superheroes in a future where Canada invaded the northern United States using genetically altered dinosaurs. It's by the same guy as Adventurers!, above.

      Darths and Droids, which posits Star Wars as a role-playing game, and completely subverts all expectations.

      Girl Genius, which you've already mentioned.

      Irregular Webcomic, which has just about everything. Especially Legos and plastic allosaurs. It's been going every day since late 2001, so there're a few strips to get through.

      Narbonic, now ended, which is about a mad scientist's lab. It's rather wacky and very gripping.

      The Order of the Stick, which pokes at RPG traits. It started developing a story early, and weathered the transition very well, although Vaarsuvius is annoying me lately.

      PS 328, which you've already mentioned.

      Skin Horse, which is about a government agency that deals with products of mad science. It's by the same person as Narbonic, above.

      Interesting true fact: except for Girl Genius, I got to all of these because I was reading Order of the Stick. Much of that was because it led me to TV Tropes, which has links to just about anywhere and everywhere.

    • As well as those mentioned by Zotz... by Maudlin Hart on 2009-01-06 01:39:00 UTC Link to this

      ... Catharsis.
      http://www.catharsiscomic.com/
      Dust bunnies! DUST BUNNIES!

    • My favourites ... by Laburnum on 2009-01-05 23:23:00 UTC Link to this

      Most of these are snarky, violent, otherwise sick and twisted, or all of the above.

      The various works of RK Milholland - my absolute favourites ever.
      Suicide For Hire.
      Jack.
      Concession.

      And a few less snarky/violent ones if that's not your thing:
      Kevin and Kell.
      Friendly Hostility.
      Ozy and Millie.
      Doc Rat.

      I'd also have to recommend looking at the works of

      • And of course there's a wrong link in there too. by Laburnum on 2009-01-05 23:27:00 UTC Link to this

        Should be somethingpositive.net, not .com - whoops.

      • Sorry, it cut off the message there. by Laburnum on 2009-01-05 23:25:00 UTC Link to this

        I was saying Ralph E Hayes is also pretty good, though the politics in the comics irritated me to the point where I stopped reading them. (Don't know why, since Suicide For Hire is even preachier, but at least that one usually has people preaching while holding the preach-ees at gunpoint, which makes it a lot more fun ...)

    • More comics by Heliomance on 2009-01-05 23:17:00 UTC Link to this

      Kid Radd (www.kidradd.com) is quite possibly the best sprite comic you will ever read. Now finished.

      Casey and Andy (galactanet.com/comic) is a strip about a couple of mad scientists, one of whom is dating Satan. Sometimes they die. Now finished.

      Order of the Stick (www.giantitp.com) should need no introduction. It's about a group of characters in a D&D based world, one of the best.

      Misfile (www.misfile.com) - due to a cockup in the Celestial Bureacracy, a guy gets turned into a girl, and another girl loses the last year of her life which she spent slogging away to get into Harvard. Hilarity Ensues. Better Than It Sounds.

      Schlock Mercenary (www.schlockmercenary.com) is a space opera about a mercenary crew. Has been updating every day without fail since mid-2000. Well worth the epic archive crawl.

      Gunnerkrigg Court (www.gunnerkrigg.com) - a story about a school that has a fairly strong connection with magic, where not everything is what it appears.

      • You may have noticed by Heliomance on 2009-01-05 23:18:00 UTC Link to this

        I have no idea how to do links on this board.

        • Re: You may have noticed by JulyFlame on 2009-01-05 23:23:00 UTC Link to this

          a href="linktosite" in . And thing for it to show whatever, like what you want link to say. And then /a in .

    • I only know one... by Sedri on 2009-01-05 20:56:00 UTC Link to this

      No Rest For The Wicked: A very twisted fairytale including a murderous Red Riding Hood, a hillariously sarcastic French cat, and a princess who can be bruised by feathers. Recently started updating again.

      • And hallelujah by hushpiper on 2009-01-07 03:50:00 UTC Link to this

        AMEN.

      • Seems like something I would be interested in. by Oozaru Angel on 2009-01-06 04:44:00 UTC Link to this

        But that link doesn't lead anywhere.

        • Ooops. Sorry. LINK! by Sedri on 2009-01-06 08:48:00 UTC Link to this

          No Rest For The Wicked

          Sorry - I'm bad at html.

    • Oooh! Webcomics! by VixenMage on 2009-01-05 19:57:00 UTC Link to this

      Dr. McNinja is a comic about the elder son of the ancient line of the McNinja, who has angered his family by becoming a doctor rather than a ninja, but he still kicks ass from time to time with Ninja Skillz. Excellent comic.

      Giant In The Playground, on which Rich Burlew hosts Order of the Stick, an affectionate parody of D&D using stick figures, and Erfworld, a... well, it's an alternate world gaming comic set in a "Safe for Kids" turn-based-combat world. Both better than they sound?

      Overcompensating, the Journal Comic with a Seething Disdain for Reality, by one of the coolest dudes in the universe ever, Jeffrey Rowland. It's awesome.
      Wigu, also by Jeffrey Rowland, is about a young boy named Wigu Tinkle and his crazy family and crazier adventures.

      Questionable Content, by Jeph Jacques, is about a guy named Marten, and his friend-who-lives-with-him-but-is-not-a-girlfriend Faye, and her boss and his girlfriend Dora. There are a lot of indie music references.

      Sinfest, a comic about Slick the wannabe-pimp, Monique his love interest, and their friends. And various religious figures. Sometimes NSFW. Sometimes offensive, kinda. Very cool though.

      Wondermark, which is hilarious witty captions applied to Victorian engravings.

      Looking For Group, which is kind of a parody of all fantasy-world games, featuring the hilariously evilly violent Richard the Warlock.

      Dinosaur Comics, which is dinosaurs talking, better than it sounds. Includes philosophy and crazy alternate universes. And Stomping.

    • Re: OT: Favorite Webcomics? by Ugolino on 2009-01-05 19:54:00 UTC Link to this

      Irregular Webcomic and spin-off Darths and Droids. Notable for spawning the phrase "Jar Jar, you're a genius!"

      • I love "Darths and Droids"! by BattleHamster on 2009-01-05 22:22:00 UTC Link to this

        I wonder what he's going to do, now that it's time to move on to the next movie.

      • Re: OT: Favorite Webcomics? by Zotz on 2009-01-05 21:47:00 UTC Link to this

        My favorite webcomics:
        DMFA (www.missmab.com) (Dan and Mab's Furry Adventures): A truly hilarious webcomic. The main characters:
        Daniel Ti'Fiona: A feline Incubus who also is an adventurer. He kind of is unwilling to come to grips with his ancestry. Kind of Stuish, but he still is cool.
        Miss Mab: An extremely purple Fae with a bubbly personality.
        (I haven't read this in a while, but it still remains funny).

        VG Cats (www.vgcats.com)
        A webcomic seemingly devoted to one purpose: Sporking all video game cliches. Not for those of more delicate sensibilities due to swearing, violence and some sexual content.

        Fine. You think these are both awful. Go ahead. Flame me.

  • Wars Sue alert! by Ugolino on 2009-01-05 20:24:00 UTC Link to this

    http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4688428/1/The_Gift_That_is_a_Curse

    Underage twin Knights with "spesul" powers. Note to the Suethor: Force Sever is not a unique talent.

    If someone wants to do this one, they're more than welcome to. If not, I'll get to it eventually.

    • *headdesk* by Anity on 2009-01-05 21:39:00 UTC Link to this

      You know, at first I thought it wouldn't be that bad; there were just the standard they-are-so-speshul Mary Sue introduction, along with some questionable description ("somewhat identical"? "almost frog-like voice"?). Then they turned the Jedi into chauvinists- and when has there been any support at all for the bit about women being weaker in the Force? In short, DIE!

      • Want it? by Ugolino on 2009-01-05 21:44:00 UTC Link to this

        If not, I have a plan for them involving bacta, loose wires, and a ysalamir...

        • Nah, you take it. by Anity on 2009-01-05 22:47:00 UTC Link to this

          Besides, I still haven't gotten around to getting Permission to write PPC fiction, so, alas, I can't spork it.

    • Beta request by Ugolino on 2009-01-05 21:36:00 UTC Link to this

      Is anyone wiling to beta my first mission? It involves the Star Wars universe. My e-mail is hungryugolino@gmail.com

      • I'll do it. by Anity on 2009-01-05 21:40:00 UTC Link to this

        The Star Wars universe has been somewhat of an obsession of mine, so I should be able to help with canon if you need it. My email's rsvampiress(at)aim.com

  • RC Question! by Spud avec on 2009-01-05 22:47:00 UTC Link to this

    Does anybody know anything about the apparent trend of adding letters after RCs that have the number 32? (32C, 32D) I ask because that's something along the lines of what I'd like to do.

    However, I don't want to tread on anyone's toes if it's Their Thing or whatever, so I have been advised to check first to see if it's just a coincidence.

    • I hadn't realised there was a trend by IndeMaat on 2009-01-06 14:28:00 UTC Link to this

      There's only two of them (32C and 32D). Could be that they're for agents created by the same author.

      My agents are in 80s as they mainly work in fandoms that were on TV in the eighties. But I also use an RC that has not yet received a number (I figured it would be easier to find as you wouldn't know what you were looking for).

      • 'Kay, thanks for the help. (nm) by Spud avec on 2009-01-06 17:29:00 UTC Link to this
    • Yeah, go ahead. by Araeph on 2009-01-06 04:14:00 UTC Link to this

      I guess I'm the unofficial editor of the List of RCs. I don't know why the trend has started with the number 32, but it's fine to add letters after a RC number. (The problem arises with adding letters BEFORE the number. Only Jay and Acacia have that.)

      • Re: Yeah, go ahead. by Heliomance on 2009-01-14 11:13:00 UTC Link to this

        Why is that RC designation unique to Jay and Acacia? How come no-one else has a letter-designated RC?

      • Aren't those Kippur's RCs? by Neshomeh on 2009-01-06 17:28:00 UTC Link to this

        Her agents, that is. It was kind of a running joke that no one knew where 32A was, as I recall.

        ~Neshomeh

    • Considering that we have #0.0000something and the like... by Sedri on 2009-01-06 03:49:00 UTC Link to this

      You can probably do anything you want. But I'm not the expert. :)

    • Re: RC Question! by Ugolino on 2009-01-05 23:35:00 UTC Link to this

      If that's allowed, I'll move my Agents back into 1138 B.

      • Bet 1138 B is nowhere near 1138 by Rilwen Shadowflame on 2009-01-06 00:45:00 UTC Link to this

        Given the way the PPC works, 1138, which I was lucky enough to grab, is liable to be in an entirely different spot- most of the time. XD

        • Re: Bet 1138 B is nowhere near 1138 by Ugolino on 2009-01-06 17:38:00 UTC Link to this

          Well, that settles it. I just wanted 1138 because...do you really have to ask? :p

          • Given that I grabbed it fast as I could... by Rilwen Shadowflame on 2009-01-06 22:14:00 UTC Link to this

            no, I really don't have to ask why. :p

  • In preparation for Permission... by Heliomance on 2009-01-05 23:10:00 UTC Link to this

    I realise that it's going to be a while before I can get Permission. By this point, there are so many PPC spinoffs that it's impractical to read them all. So which are the important ones to read to understand the current state of the PPC? I've read TOS, but things have changed since then. Things like Makes Things dying, which I discovered by accident browsing the wiki. What other major changes have there been since the time of Jay and Acacia? And how much leeway does Permission give you with canon? What sort of changes are permissable to make with the basic Permission?

    • Hmm, having truble with Agent origins by Heliomance on 2009-01-08 02:13:00 UTC Link to this

      I'm pretty sure I want one of my Agents to be a Sammie from Discworld, but I'm not sure where the other would come from. The archetype I'm going for with him is an older character, coming up on middle aged, who is legendarily unsquickable, responding to every situation with a raised eyebrow, and nothing more. I'm thinking I'll take on some of the worst fics if I actually get round to writing for the PPC, as it seems I just don't get squicked by words. Thus, it seems a useful trait for an Agent working in that field to have.

      So, where do you think he should hail from?

      • a bit too much, perhaps? by Pads on 2009-01-08 06:25:00 UTC Link to this

        If one of your agents is a Sammie, then one of your agents already scores highly on the thinking for themself and not being unduly disturbed front. Agent pairs are generally at odds with one another somehow; a Sammie is liable to take the most revolting squick with a flinch, a shudder, a pause, a deep breath, and a getting on with it.

        Give me a shout at birgit dot fishwife at gmail dot com or johnny underscore rat at msn dot com, and I'll happily ramble about agent pair makeup for hours (and throw in betaing accidentally to boot).

        PS Does nonsquickable mean we're getting a compatriot in the DBS?

        • Re: a bit too much, perhaps? by Heliomance on 2009-01-09 10:22:00 UTC Link to this

          I was thinking the Sammie's method of coping would be to laugh at the world, he'd be relatively light-hearted, and probably annoy his more dour partner, who copes with squick by rolling his eyes and getting irritated, no end.

          As for department, I was probably either going to join the DAVD or possibly create a new Emergency Response Department for the really bad fics. Dunno yet. Depends what badfics I find when I start looking.

    • I don't know about important by Pads on 2009-01-06 01:44:00 UTC Link to this

      But do you know which Department you'll be wanting your agents to work in? Because if you want to write for the DMS, reading DMS missions is more important than reading DBS ones, for you to get an idea of how things work. And I'm sure hS will jump in with a link to Crashing Down et al soon enough; it's not stuff that you absolutely need to know, but he's been writing the history of various major events, and it's interesting stuff, and generally accepted as fairly canonical since half the Board views him as some sort of minor deity.

      As for changes, so long as stuff's plausible and doesn't wildly counteract what anyone else has written, you should be okay. Killing off the Sunflower Official in a mission, for example, probably wouldn't go down all that well. And if in doubt you can always ask.

      • Actually I didn't intend to. (nm) by Huinesoron on 2009-01-06 01:55:00 UTC Link to this
        • really? missed opportunity for self-pimping there (nm) by Pads on 2009-01-08 06:29:00 UTC Link to this
    • Any that don't contradict TOS. by kgarrett on 2009-01-06 00:11:00 UTC Link to this

      That's all there is to it, really. The fluid nature of PPC canon means the only things you have to acknowledge as solid canon are the events of TOS, though a lot of people have a sort of "everything is canon" mindset. Most of the major events like the Reorganisation, CD, the Mirror Multiverse thing, or some of the Sue invasions happened long enough ago to not really be relevant. You can pretty much do whatever you want as long as it's not offensive and doesn't contradict anything specifically set in stone, especially since HQ and the PPC itself are so huge.

  • A strange possible goodfic... by WikiMaster on 2009-01-06 13:22:00 UTC Link to this

    http://firstagent.net/fanfic/connhome.htm

    Not my type. Here's another one, which I attempted to introduce before:

    http://www.syldra.net/yesterday/fandom/game1.html

    Hope you like them!

  • M and NC-17 by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-06 14:25:00 UTC Link to this

    Very few people seem to know the answer to my question, so I thought I’d come to you and see what you thought.

    Where exactly is the line drawn between M and NC-17 (or MA as FF now uses)? Because I have a number of stories planned that I don’t particularly want to get banned for (on this note, do people get a warning first, or are they instantly kicked off?).

    What is the line between M and MA for gore? What is the line for swearing? Most importantly, what is the line between M and MA in regards to sexual content? Is there a line at all, or is it just depending on the context it's in and the administrator who sees it?

    • Often up to the person looking by IndeMaat on 2009-01-06 21:51:00 UTC Link to this

      FFnet doesn't allow MA rated stuff, but says the rating is for graphic sex and graphic violence. But what is graphic?

      It seems that if you name all the bit parts by their proper names it's graphic (or too graphic for FFnet). Talking in metaphores and similies would often be okay for M, or even T (though will probably make half the people here want to slap you).

      I once wrote a scene were there was one mention of how blood splattered. I offered it for consideration to an administrator of a fanfic site/forum and suggested an M rating. They said I should scratch the sentence about the blood and tag on an M rating (while the blood sentence was the only reason I thought it should be M). It's currently on FFnet with the blood line and rated T. Used to be M, but the rest of the story so is not, and I don't think the one sentence has enough shock effect in it to warrant the M.

      And really do warn for things. There's another story, in the same fandom as my above mentioned story, where a torture scene takes place. It's rated T, but I stopped reading when the first joint popped. I asked the author to at least warn for gore if they weren't going to mark their story as M. The torture is built up slowly, and that's just too much drama (for lack of a better word) for a T rated fic.

      • *curses* by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-07 10:13:00 UTC Link to this

        "FFnet doesn't allow MA rated stuff"

        Why do you think I was asking? :P

        "It seems that if you name all the bit parts by their proper names it's graphic (or too graphic for FFnet)."

        Damn. My rule is (apart from trying to avoid euphemisms as much as possible) to always call things by their biological names (pen*s, vag*na etc) and never to turn crude (c*ck, c*nt etc). That, to me, separates the sex from the porn.

        Thanks for the response though.

        • Re: *curses* by Pads on 2009-01-07 18:05:00 UTC Link to this

          Out of interest, how do you deal with people talking about their wedding vegetables? 'Cause in dialogue, a lot of the time, medical terms aren't going to do you many favours in terms of characterisation.

          Trojie and I keep having this problem with her Narnia fics. Latest decision we made on how Caspian X would refer to the crown jewels was based on the realisation that the Telmarines probably originated on the Bounty, and, being nautical types, they'd know some fairly colourful language. So we turned to the Earl of Rochester as an example of contemporary terms the Telmarines, or at least the ones who aren't posh and kingly, might use. Unfortunately, this is actually fairly sound logic, so we couldn't throw it out the window after realising just what sort of language this would require us to use.

          Plan number two, therefore, is to go with courtly language instead, as all this requires is asking one of my lecturers "How would King Arthur describe his testicles?"

          • Re: *curses* by Ansela on 2009-01-08 21:52:00 UTC Link to this

            "How would King Arthur describe his testicles?"

            You actually asked your lecturer this? What was their reply?

            • funnily enough, I haven't dared ask yet (nm) by Pads on 2009-01-09 02:39:00 UTC Link to this
          • Re: *curses* by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-08 11:03:00 UTC Link to this

            "Out of interest, how do you deal with people talking about their wedding vegetables?"

            Wedding vegetables? That's a new way of referring to them. In narration, I stick to biological terms or simply 'genitalia' or something, but in speech, I say whatever I feel the character would say based on their personality and their current state of mind.

            "How would King Arthur describe his testicles?"

            Delicately.

          • I was under the impression... by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-07 20:08:00 UTC Link to this

            ... that the only concrete decision we'd reached was that Caspian would never say 'cock'?

            I'm still in favour of euphemisms. Euphemisms all the way!

            • we would have reached more decisions, except... by Pads on 2009-01-08 06:17:00 UTC Link to this

              ...You wouldn't let me quote Rochester while you were at work. And I really don't blame you.

              I rise at eleven, I dine about two
              I get drunk before seven, and the next thing I do,
              I send for my whore, when for fear of a clap,
              I spend in her hand, and I spew in her lap;
              Then we quarrel and scold, till I fall fast asleep,
              When the bitch growing bold, to my pocket does creep.
              Then slyly she leaves me, and to revenge the affront,
              At once she bereaves me of money and c*nt.

              If you can think of a legitimate way for Caspian X to use such language, I salute you.

              • They could ... have a dramatic poetry reading? (nm) by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-09 07:10:00 UTC Link to this
              • Woah... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-08 11:04:00 UTC Link to this

                I've never heard of this guy, but he sounds like he's an... interesting poet.

                • no suggestions for Narnian bodily terms, then? by Pads on 2009-01-08 19:28:00 UTC Link to this

                  Damn. I was hoping somebody might be able to come up with something.

                  There's a film about him called The Libertine, starring Johnny Depp. It begins with him telling the audience that he knows they all want to shag him, and he doesn't blame them, and they'd love it because he's brilliant in bed, and they can shag him if they want because he can't get enough. English degrees contain some funny stuff.

                  • Hmm... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-09 16:36:00 UTC Link to this

                    'Member' would be the only real thing I could think of without delving into euphemisms (flowery and otherwise).

                    On that note, how the hell did the terms 'flower', 'petals' and 'honeypot' originate? Because they're everywhere and it's creeping me out.

                    • Probably with Linnaeus ... :P by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-09 19:34:00 UTC Link to this

                      At least, he got into quite a lot of trouble for talking about floral sexual organs as if they were human ...

                    • Re: Hmm... by Pads on 2009-01-09 19:24:00 UTC Link to this

                      I hardly dare speculate. Although I'm going to anyway. "Honeypot" just says "sticky" to me. Admittedly the front bottom does not tend to be sticky, per se. But the application of the gentlemanly parts and their subsequent leakings do make the entire affair somewhat tackier (in the not-quite-sticky sense, not the cheap sense). Also, presumably, men are bees who, er, like to... store memories by making patterns in vaginas?

                      • Uh-huh... *is scared* by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-10 10:52:00 UTC Link to this

                        And I'm almost afraid to ask but...

                        In most of the things I've seen on AFF, after the man has climaxed, semen started... well, leaking from the woman. Is this at all accurate.

                        Sorry... total virgin here... (which makes it rather scary that I can still seem to write better sex scenes than those who claim to have it daily)..

                        • Re: Uh-huh... *is scared* by Pads on 2009-01-10 14:59:00 UTC Link to this

                          When you say leaking, what sort of quantities, velocities etc are we talking here?

                          If a man ejaculates inside a woman sans condom, and she then lies down for snuggles or sleep or angstiness or whatever (please, don't detail the whatevers you've found on aff.net for me), she's going to be feeling a bit... damp, thanks to their combined fluids.

                          If she gets up the next day, throws her knickers on, and dashes straight out to work, she's going to be finding semen in her undies all day. This is decidedly Not Pleasant.

                          If a woman has the sense to go to the toilet immediately or shortly after sex (because we don't want any UTIs, thank you very much), then some semen can be wiped away, and "bearing down" (as I believe is the technical name for those pelvic contractions used in passing waste, giving birth, and removing garlic if you're into home remedies for yeast infections) will help to remove much of the rest.

                          If a woman is trying to get knocked up, therefore, he best bet is to shuffle about immediately after sex so her legs are leaning up against a wall. This prevents leakage and so aids conception.

                          And that got disturbingly graphic, so maybe we should keep further technical sex questions to emails.

                          • Re: Uh-huh... *is scared* by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-12 11:05:00 UTC Link to this

                            Well, my address is shown above.

                            I wasn't planning to detail anything. Partially because I can't think of anything off-hand, just that it happens.

                            What's a UTI? I presume it's another way to say STD? But they're not automatically going to happen, are they? Now I'm confused.

                            • Re: Uh-huh... *is scared* by Pads on 2009-01-12 15:13:00 UTC Link to this

                              As Ansela says, a urinary tract infection. The short version is: stuff can get smushed up there, so you pee to clear it out. I'm guessing men don't have to do the same, because they have semen coming out and clearing the tubes.

                              • Far simpler than Wikipedia's explanation... (nm) by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-13 15:44:00 UTC Link to this
                            • Re: Uh-huh... *is scared* by Ansela on 2009-01-12 13:16:00 UTC Link to this

                              A urinary tract infection.

                              • Re: Uh-huh... *is scared* by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-13 15:41:00 UTC Link to this

                                Thanks for the information. Although it still confuses me a bit that sex leads to UTIs... whatever.

                                • Re: Uh-huh... *is scared* by Pads on 2009-01-13 19:21:00 UTC Link to this

                                  Well, we're not exactly the best designed creatures, as you must have noticed every time you choke on a peanut.

                                  • Re: Uh-huh... *is scared* by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-14 10:22:00 UTC Link to this

                                    And the inclusion of an appendix we no longer use.

                                    • mm, but... by Pads on 2009-01-15 00:51:00 UTC Link to this

                                      Didn't the appendix used to have a use, at least? The choking thing, on the other hand, was pure accident.

                                      • Digesting leaves, I think... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-15 11:51:00 UTC Link to this

                                        But nothing useful anymore. Therefore, it should be vanishing. But if it is, it's taking far too long.

                                        • not necessarily by Pads on 2009-01-15 17:25:00 UTC Link to this

                                          After all, it's not doing any damage. Except appendicitis, and not everyone gets that. What are the odds of spontaneous genetic mutation that means a baby's born missing an entire organ? And even if it is, where's the advantage that'll make that trait spread? Nope, it's much harder to unevolve traits. Once you've got 'em you're stuck with 'em, for the most part.

                                          Does it predate molars then?

                                          • Re: not necessarily by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-16 13:33:00 UTC Link to this

                                            I know it won't just vanish, but it could grow smaller with each generation until it's finally gone kaput.

                                            "What are the odds of spontaneous genetic mutation that means a baby's born missing an entire organ?"

                                            Not all that low, I believe. Usually, it's a valuable organ, however.

                                            "Does it predate molars then?"

                                            Not sure. I think it was simply used for digesting leaves. *dons cape* To Wikipedia! *dives into Jademobile*

                                          • just hit wiki on that by Pads on 2009-01-15 17:35:00 UTC Link to this

                                            Some people are born without an appendix, it seems. But the lack of it provides no decisive advantage. And it looks as though the appendix has shrunk and shrunk over the years, but "Evolutionary theorists have suggested that natural selection selects for larger appendices because smaller and thinner appendices would be more susceptible to inflammation and disease."

                                            So that's why we still have 'em - they get any smaller, you're much more likely to get appendicitis and die.

    • I can't give you a definitite answer, but ... by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-06 20:19:00 UTC Link to this

      ... where I always think of the line as being is; M = swearing frequent but not incessant and/or moderate violence and/or sex scenes that exist but aren't graphic.

      NC-17 = incessant bad language and/or graphic violence and/or graphic sex.

      I'd also suggest that rape and non-con are almost always NC-17 even if not gone into in too much detail (just a mention in passing could be M, but if you have such a scene, even a vague one, it ought to be NC-17).

      And whatever rating you choose, always WARN for: slash or het (because people like to know before clicking the link) non-con, dub-con, threesomes/unusual pairings, underage!, kink, bad language, violence and character death.

      -Trojie

      PS: I believe that ff.net do not allow NC-17 type stories or graphic sex scenes. I'm not sure of the details, though, so I advise checking their terms and conditions etc.

      • Double damn... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-07 10:18:00 UTC Link to this

        "I'd also suggest that rape and non-con are almost always NC-17"

        Damn, damn, and damn just for the hell of it. I've got a fic with a rape scene in and I wanted to know where the cut-off point was. I usually wouldn't include something like that, but I want to really drive it in that it's not fun. Because I get really pissed off by the writers that have them demand comfort sex five minutes later.

        "And whatever rating you choose, always WARN for: slash or het (because people like to know before clicking the link) non-con, dub-con, threesomes/unusual pairings, underage!, kink, bad language, violence and character death."

        I have pairing warnings in my list of stories. I mention non-con etc in the specific chapter. I have no threesomes. Underage varies for me, because it depends HOW underage they are. Kink... don't think I have. Bad language I rarely warn for because I rarely use (and the M rating generally covers it anyway). Violence and death, rarely use because that kind of spoils things in my opinion.

        Dub-con? Dubious consensual issues? Correct? And is that the "started-liking-it-then-hated-it" and the "hated-it-then-liked-it" stuff?

        • I'm afraid so. by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-07 20:00:00 UTC Link to this

          Rape is pretty much by its nature an NC-17 issue.

          Dub-con is, yes, dubious consent. And yes, it's that stuff. Usual use of it is when someone is pressured into going along with things, but never actually says no, and sort-of ends up enjoying. It's a hazy, rather grey area. I'd generally use it if a participant was not 100% consenting. Some badslashers like to write stories where one character is soooo persuasive that they talk the other into it by their OMG TEH AMAYZING SECKS POWARZ - it starts off non-con and ends up pretty much consenting. That I'd also call dub-con, but not a lot of badslashers actually bother to warn for things like that, so *shrug*.

          As with everything, it's always best to warn. People might like surprises in their stories, but not these kinds :)

          • Re: I'm afraid so. by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-08 11:09:00 UTC Link to this

            "Rape is pretty much by its nature an NC-17 issue."

            *curses again* Know any fanfiction sites that allow it? Because I am not turning to AFF even if I could (all public computers have it blocked).

            What about LiveJournal? Aren't there story sections on that?

            "Some badslashers like to write stories where one character is soooo persuasive that they talk the other into it by their OMG TEH AMAYZING SECKS POWARZ - it starts off non-con and ends up pretty much consenting."

            Them and pretty much everyone on AFF.

            • I'm afraid I don't know any sites by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-09 07:14:00 UTC Link to this

              As for LiveJournal, I advise looking for ficcing communities for whatever fandom you're writing in. Or, y'know, you could put it on your journal :)

              Them and pretty much everyone on AFF.

              See, this is why I don't go to ff.net or aff anymore: I just end up with more fics in my mission queue than any human can actually deal with...

              • Sorry, forgot to say... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-09 13:34:00 UTC Link to this

                "See, this is why I don't go to ff.net or aff anymore: I just end up with more fics in my mission queue than any human can actually deal with..."

                Have you beaten the 620 fics I got off of there before my access was blocked? I just went through the fandoms I was familiar with and ripped everything from them. I'm scared to even read the 130-odd Resident Evil fics I got. I know what Deathstalker's done to that fandom.

                • I stopped frequenting the place before I got that many (nm) by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-09 19:32:00 UTC Link to this
                  • Then you were smarter than I... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-10 11:02:00 UTC Link to this

                    but I have a morbid interest in, say, Deathstalker because I have no idea how he writes what he writes without throwing up. Also, he has no concept of biology and believes that the mouth and the womb are connected, but whatever...

                    • the WHAT and the WHAT? by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-10 19:47:00 UTC Link to this

                      Let me at him! Let me at him!

                      • Want his address? by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-12 11:15:00 UTC Link to this

                        It's a Nightmare on Elm Street fic and I'm almost positive that Mr. I'm-A-Serial-Killer Kreuger is out-of-character. Partly for the rape, partly for caring how the girl feels. Bzuh?

                        • I'm afraid I don't know the continuum (nm) by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-12 20:15:00 UTC Link to this
                          • Doesn't matter... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-13 15:48:00 UTC Link to this

                            Kreguer and the dream thing seemed to be the only link to the fandom.

                            Damn, I've spelt his name wrong, haven't I? Sorry. I haven't actually watched the movie even though I've had it on DVD for six months.

                      • Yet another reminder, by Ansela on 2009-01-10 21:40:00 UTC Link to this

                        as to why mentioning bad biology stuff to Trojie is a Very Bad Idea.

                        Me and biology have had a falling out. The enzymes just didn't want to explain themselves to me.

                        • Enzymes can be tricky... by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-10 21:42:00 UTC Link to this

                          ...I blame washing powder commercials - an entire generation, perhaps more, of children has grown up thinking that enzymes are little Pacman things that eat dirt. No doubt it will take years to clear the confusion up.

                          People were coming to my university biology classes holding this belief like some article of faith, much to the consternation of the professors ...

                          • What? by Ansela on 2009-01-10 21:49:00 UTC Link to this

                            I would ask if you were kidding, but the internet has stripped me of my faith in humanity's intelligence.

                            That wasn't the problem. I think I sketched the wrong graph and I left the part about what happens to an enzyme in terms of its protein structure when it's placed in an environment hotter than its optimum temperature completely blank.

                            In my defence, I was ill that week and missed the bit on enzymes.

                            • I'm sadly not kidding by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-10 21:52:00 UTC Link to this

                              It's okay, I'm not about to leap down the throat of someone who tried :)

                              (their protein structure 'denatures' and unfolds and so they will no longer connect with the right molecules and cannot function as catalysts anymore ... this is why we boil things to sterilise them, as pathogenic microbes have an optimum temperature very close to that of humans, and so by boiling we can usually eliminate them by denaturing their enzymes, amongst other things. This doesn't work for anthrax, btw (handy fact for any Assassins thinking about using it))

                              -Trojie, stopping now lest she get the urge to pull out the diagrams

                              • Why didn't I ask you for help with my revision? (nm) by Ansela on 2009-01-10 21:57:00 UTC Link to this
                                • I dunno? Feel free to do so in the future :) by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-10 21:58:00 UTC Link to this

                                  You know how much I like to spout these things endlessly.

                                  • Re: I dunno? Feel free to do so in the future :) by Ansela on 2009-01-10 22:09:00 UTC Link to this

                                    I'll probably be bugging you around late April/May time then. Robin's useless for explaining things most of the time. Sometimes he'll tell us something completely different to what he told us five minutes beforehand, which doesn't help much.

                                    How much would you kill me if I said I might have found a Discworld Sue on my first trip into that section of the Pit? Rincewind/OC, from another world which is possibly World One, who happens to be as powerful as Coin.

                                    • Consider me on standby for biology notes :) by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-10 22:51:00 UTC Link to this

                                      I wouldn't kill you ... I might demand that it get killed though ...

                                      • Re: Consider me on standby for biology notes :) by Ansela on 2009-01-10 22:55:00 UTC Link to this

                                        Not by me. I've not so good on Discworld canon. Yet.

                                        • send me linkage? by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-11 00:26:00 UTC Link to this

                                          I dare say Trojie and Pads' malfunctioning attempt to hack into the system and only get the missions they want can backfire just one more time ...

                                          • Re: send me linkage? by Ansela on 2009-01-11 07:00:00 UTC Link to this

                                            http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4153700/1/Magic_Not_so_Simply_Put

                                            I couldn't even finish the first chapter, it was so bleh. Teenage girl, kinda ordinary looking (where've we heard that one before?), doesn't 'act like a girl' (whatever that is, I suspect it means being a make-up, clothes and boy-obsessed cheerleader stereotype or something), does things her parents don't want her to and has a cat that only listens to her.

                                            • My eyes keep skipping over every second word by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-12 07:18:00 UTC Link to this

                                              I think they're trying to protect my brain from the sheer boredom.

              • I had considered LJ... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-09 13:32:00 UTC Link to this

                But I wasn't totally sure on their rules regarding what is probably now classed as an NC-17 fic. Also, it would just seem like a clunky interface after FF's general ease.

                • As far as I'm aware... by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-09 19:31:00 UTC Link to this

                  ... as long as you use the option to warn that there's material which isn't suitable for those under 18 ('explicit adult content' is the option, and it asks all people attempting to view the page to confirm that they are over 18, or if they're logged-in LJ users whose profile says they're under 18, they can't get in), it's okay.

                • Re: I had considered LJ... by Ansela on 2009-01-09 15:04:00 UTC Link to this

                  I think it depends on the rules of the comm you want to post to. Some don't allow NC-17, some do and and all require explicit stories to be members-locked and warned for.

                  Some comms also require a separate disclaimer on R and NC-17 fics, that goes something like this:
                  "COMMUNITY DISCLAIMER: All characters depicted in sexual situations in this post/fanfiction/fanart (including material in the comments) are fictional and are intended to be and considered to be by the author of said material of the legal age of consent in the United States state of California, regardless of what age these characters may be in the material they are derived from."

                  As long as you read the rules of the community you want to post to and appropriately label your fic, you should be fine on LJ.

                  • Re: I had considered LJ... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-09 16:40:00 UTC Link to this

                    Thanks. I'll consider LJ further then.

                    What did you mean by 'members-locked' though?

                    • Re: I had considered LJ... by Pads on 2009-01-09 19:32:00 UTC Link to this

                      As well as the locking, which Ansela's explained, lj also has adult content filters. So say you'd written a graphic and gory non-con fic. You'd mark it with the highest category of filter. Then, if anyone was logged into lj and tried to view your fic, if their stated birthdate makes them under 18, they'll be denied access. People who aren't logged in have to click a button confirming their age. It's not going to stop anyone from reading what you've written, but that extra level of attempt, on lj's part, to make sure underage people go where they're going willingly and with warnings, covers them slightly more legally (I presume) and means they're not so fussed about really graphic stuff.

                      On the other hand, don't ever specifically say a character is under 18 in an unlocked post if they're making with the sexytimes. There was an awful lot of "the intarwebz are exploding!" over that a while back.

                      • What? by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-10 10:59:00 UTC Link to this

                        "On the other hand, don't ever specifically say a character is under 18 in an unlocked post if they're making with the sexytimes. There was an awful lot of "the intarwebz are exploding!" over that a while back."

                        But it all depends on what fandom you're writing for and what the legal age of consent was in the country it is set in/your country. I think that Britain's legal age is sixteen. If I was writing something set around Roman Empire times, surely it'd be acceptable to write about a thirteen year old girl, say, in the first stages of sex. It'd be too uncomfortable for me to go 'all the way', shall we say, but that was what happened in that era. In one country (I can't remember what) grown men are married to girls before they're even out of the womb.

                        A couple of my scenes involve seventeen year olds, because that's perfectly legal here. I've considered one with two fifteen year olds, but I can't remember what for and it's not that far from the legal age, so it's relatively fine compared to some things I've read. *glares at SuicideKing on AFF*

                        • Re: What? by Pads on 2009-01-10 15:06:00 UTC Link to this

                          I know ages of consent vary, but what matters is the legal age in the country that houses the servers that host your fic. And if you're posting on lj, that's America. (Or is it Russia now? I lose track). The age of consent on livejournal is therefore 18, even if you're English and writing about English teenagers having perfectly legal and consensual English sex.

                          When all this kerfluffle went on last year (I seem to recall it was some extremely conservative American group causing hassle, or claimed to be; I forget the specifics), the rule being implemented was simply No Sex Involving Minors. In the ensuing purge of livejournals, fanart (and not necessarily realistic art) of possibly-minors was hit, as were some journals and.or communities in which people discussed their experiences of sexual abuse. Suffice to say, it was a tad silly, but the net result is you're better off not taking the risk.

                          Of course, locked posts are another matter, because it's not like the general public is just going to stumble upon them, be outraged, and report you.

                          • Re: What? by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-12 11:10:00 UTC Link to this

                            "... even if you're English and writing about English teenagers having perfectly legal and consensual English sex."

                            Are you saying our sex is different from your sex? :P Thanks for the advice. So America's 18 then?

                            • I don't know by Pads on 2009-01-12 15:15:00 UTC Link to this

                              After all, I've only tried English sex, so I can't really compare it.

                              I think America's 18, yes. Although they can't drink until they're 21. Which strikes me as odd, because how the hell do you cope with one night stands when sober?

                              • English Sex FTW? by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-13 15:46:00 UTC Link to this

                                I don't understand one night stands all that much. I'm a man and I wouldn't even consider sex with a woman (or man, if I turn out to be gay) unless I had a major emotional connection with them. Sex with a prostitute, for example, just wouldn't be as mentally satisfying as with my wife for example (I think. Given that I'm a virgin, this is all speculation). Unless, of course, you know, I happened to be dating a prostitute. *shrugs*

                                • better than for the lose, I s'pose by Pads on 2009-01-13 19:19:00 UTC Link to this

                                  You might change your mind once you start having it. A lot of people just have urges that need fulfilling. Depends on your sex drive, really. And it's not always about the mentally satisfying, either. One night stands are more about the physically satisfying. For that matter, sex in a committed relationship's sometimes mostly about the physical satisfying too. It's, y'know, fun. In theory, anyway.

                                  Of course, it helps if you're drunk. One night stands, I mean; if you need to get pissed to shag your wife there's a bit of a problem.

                                  • Of course... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-14 10:19:00 UTC Link to this

                                    Like I said, it's only my theory anyway. I was brought up to be a gentleman. Therefore I'm chivalrous, don't take advantage of people et cetera.

                                    • granted, but... by Pads on 2009-01-14 21:00:00 UTC Link to this

                                      One night stands don't automatically equal taking advantage. They're usually perfectly consensual.

                                      • *shrugs* by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-15 11:48:00 UTC Link to this

                                        Still feels like it to me...

                            • Re: What? by Ansela on 2009-01-12 13:21:00 UTC Link to this

                              I asked July about American ages of consensual sex a while back. It varies from state to state, some states have different ages of consent for each gender and it's different for homosexual sex in some states.

                              This page is what July gave me.

                              • Wait... hold on... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-13 15:42:00 UTC Link to this

                                If I'm reading this right, men can have sex at 18 in some states, but women at 16? WTF Equality?

                                • Re: Wait... hold on... by Ansela on 2009-01-13 17:54:00 UTC Link to this

                                  There's on state where the age of consent is 14 for females and 16 (I think) for males. Um, no. DNW!

                                  • Re: Wait... hold on... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-14 10:16:00 UTC Link to this

                                    DNW?

                                    • Do Not Want (nm) by Ansela on 2009-01-14 17:03:00 UTC Link to this
                                      • Thank you... (nm) by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-15 11:48:00 UTC Link to this
                                  • Re: Wait... hold on... by Pads on 2009-01-13 19:20:00 UTC Link to this

                                    The weirdest bit's the way so many states have no laws about homosexual acts.

                                    • Re: Wait... hold on... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-14 10:17:00 UTC Link to this

                                      I just figured that the ages were the same, which I think is perfectly fair.

                                      Does England have laws on homosexuality?

                                      • yep by Pads on 2009-01-14 11:18:00 UTC Link to this

                                        Homosexual acts decriminalised in 1967 in England and Wales. Ditto in Scotland in 1980 and Ireland in 1984. Age of consent lowered from 21 to 18 in 1994. From 1997 attempts were made to lower it to 16 so as not to breach the European Convention on Human Rights, but Lords kept blocking it. Finally passed in 2000 despite the resistance of Lords, but was superseded in 2004 by the Sexual Offences Act 2003, which basically removed any gender-specificality from sexual acts, and also incidentally made it legal for two men to engage in homosexual acts while other people were elsewhere in the building.

                                        • Wait, wait, wait... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-14 11:37:00 UTC Link to this

                                          The Human Rights Act has done something useful?!?!

                                          What about women? Can lesbians have sex while others are in the building?

                                          • Re: Wait, wait, wait... by Pads on 2009-01-14 21:02:00 UTC Link to this

                                            I think they could anyway. It was a long time before lesbian acts were even recognised in law. The in the house bit relates to privacy - it became legal for two men aged over 18 to mutually consent to buggery, but only in private, and private was defined as "no one else in the building, not even on the other side of a locked door".

                                            So much for all those gay Marauder orgy stories, then.

                                            • Re: Wait, wait, wait... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-15 11:50:00 UTC Link to this

                                              But wouldn't the Wizarding world have different laws?

                                              Wait... never mind. They've been shown to have slightly odd laws.

                                            • Re: Wait, wait, wait... by Ansela on 2009-01-14 22:29:00 UTC Link to this

                                              Wizarding Law is different? And a rather large part of my brain snorts at that and says 'yeah, homosexuality's probably still banned because it doesn't carry on a family name through the production of offspring and heirs'.

                                              Although fanbrats seem to get around that with MPreg spells and potions most of the time. If I had a quid for every 'Draco is really Lucius and [other male's] son' fic I'd seen, I'd be a rich Ansela. Especially if I added the Harry is James/x's fics as well.

                                              • maybe by Pads on 2009-01-15 00:58:00 UTC Link to this

                                                A lot of the time Wizarding law doesn't seem to differ at all from Muggle law. Their age of consent, inasmuch as they have one, is 17 - at 17 they can Apparate... and, er... actually, no. There's 16 too; at 16 they can leave school. And that's all we really know. At any rate, all the magical laws we know of are relating to things that don't crop up in the Muggle world. The only comparison I can see is the school leaving age; you can leave at 16, or stay for NEWTs until you're 18.

                                                Anyroad, wizarding society being what it is, can you really see them being less conservative than Muggle society? Especially given, as you mentioned, the whole blood purity thing. Unless, of course, the fanbrats are right, and male wizards' magic will somehow allow them to carry children. If that's the case, I can see them being more liberal. If not? Purity of blood = important = strict rules pertaining to virginity; and necessity of perpetuating bloodlines = necessity of fecund relationships = predisposition towards viewing heterosexual relationships more favourably.

                    • Re: I had considered LJ... by Ansela on 2009-01-09 18:14:00 UTC Link to this

                      When you post to a community on LJ you can choose to leave it as a public post that anyone can see or lock it so that only members of that community can see it. Most communities require this for all explicit fanfiction/art and media downloads. Some communities, such as RPF/S comms are completely locked. I think it's so random people can't wander in and complain about finding explicit stuff just lying there for minors to access.

                      • Well... yeah, but... by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-10 10:49:00 UTC Link to this

                        ... couldn't the minors just, you know, lie about their age? I know that I first encountered AFF when I was sixteen. I was on a Halo website at the age of fourteen and clicked 'yes' to 'are you over sixteen?' Those sorts of things just annoy me.

                        • of course by Pads on 2009-01-10 15:08:00 UTC Link to this

                          And they do - there are underage Boarders who read mine and Trojie's missions, after all. All it involves is logging out. But at least lj can then say they tried.

                          • (More and more OT as she goes on) *waves* by CirГ­chen AnekГЎth on 2009-01-10 23:43:00 UTC Link to this

                            Or just subscribing to the RSS feed of your/Trojie's journal, as the case may be, so that they don't even have to log out. 'S what I do, for recent missions.

                            And, though in theory I understand the point behind LJ doing that, in practice it makes me want to bludgeon them. ie, "Yes, I approve of this! But why are you applying it to me?" I am hypocrite.

                            However, for the most part I avoid stuff with graphic... ness..., at least during the school year, because it makes me twitchy and useless. Oddly enough this has not stopped me reading it. *shrug* So, yes. We minors be tenacious! Or bloody-minded, or something.

                            C, who is going to stop now, and justify her rambling as relief that she's on the Board again.

          • Re: I'm afraid so. by Pads on 2009-01-08 06:47:00 UTC Link to this

            I've a notion it shouldn't automatically be rated as "not for the eyes of the young or the juvenile", but we'll save that conversation for a conversation, not a message board.

            To clarify on your behalf, dub-con is when consent wasn't explicitly given. It's not just badslashers who view this as acceptable; I've lived with people who've thought similar scenarios were suitable cause to throw a condom and shout "have fun!" Dub-con is therefore where explicit consent is not given, and the persuaded party's consent is not explicit in narration or in dialogue.

            Short version: did both characters say "sex please!"? If yes and it's graphic, you want a mature / adult / 18 / top of your rating system of choice on it.
            Did one character say "yes please!" while the other said "er... uh... well. okay... I guess... um? wow, sexxors yay!" If yes, you warn for dub-con and you turn it over to the DBS for betaing and making realistic.
            Did one character say "you know, I really don't think I... no, get off... but shouldn't we... hang on... no, let go, I'm talking here... argh!"? If yes, you warn for dub-con and magical cock powers, and you turn it over to the DBS for sporking.

            And when you're on ff.net you're pretty much doomed. Saying cock is against their rules. You'll never be called on it, though, so it all depends how much of a good boy you want to be.

            • Re: I'm afraid so. by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-08 11:13:00 UTC Link to this

              "I've a notion it shouldn't automatically be rated as "not for the eyes of the young or the juvenile", but we'll save that conversation for a conversation, not a message board."

              E-mail's at the top. Explain please.

              What happens if one character says "yes please!" and the other "no! get off! let me go! no! *screams*"? Where does that go?

              "And when you're on ff.net you're pretty much doomed. Saying cock is against their rules. You'll never be called on it, though, so it all depends how much of a good boy you want to be."

              If it's against their rules, then why wouldn't I get in trouble?

              • Re: I'm afraid so. by Pads on 2009-01-09 02:40:00 UTC Link to this

                Will do.

                That would be rape, if the first character goes through with it anyway.

                And that would be because ff.net are renowned for not actually bothering to enforce their own rules.

                • They're not? by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-09 13:36:00 UTC Link to this

                  I know I was once on the recieving end of a major report (*winces and represses memory of Suethor days once more*), but I thought that they generally... okay, never mind. That Michael Jackson author's still there.

                  What about My Immortal though? Or are the FF admins really preps? :P

              • Re: I'm afraid so. by Ansela on 2009-01-08 21:51:00 UTC Link to this

                If it's against their rules, then why wouldn't I get in trouble?

                Because so many people read and write smut over there that even if the (non-existent and completely incompetent) admins searched through all the M-rated fics they'd never in a million years catch all of the smut fics, never mind those that mention cocks in passing.

                • Re: I'm afraid so. by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-09 13:38:00 UTC Link to this

                  Hold on, if they're non-existent how can they be incompetent? :P

                  And knowing my luck, I'd be the one to be spotted and get my account banned for it.

                  • Re: I'm afraid so. by Ansela on 2009-01-09 14:58:00 UTC Link to this

                    Hold on, if they're non-existent how can they be incompetent? :P

                    Because most of the time they might as well be a figment of our collective imagination, but when they finally do something it's not what's needed, like getting rid of the rule breakers.


                    And if they ever did get rid of all the smut fics, mine would be on the way out as well. Luckily, they're archived on LJ as well.

                    • Re: I'm afraid so. by thejadefalcon on 2009-01-09 16:38:00 UTC Link to this

                      It's not the getting rid of the fic I'm worried about, it's the banning of my entire account (because that'd require me to get a new hotmail address and everything and it'd just get chaotic).

                      What did you think about them getting rid of My Immortal, then?

  • Permission application by Spud avec on 2009-01-06 17:34:00 UTC Link to this

    My agents: http://responsecentre32f.webs.com/theagents.htm

    My sample: http://responsecentre32f.webs.com/sampleanewpatient.htm

    The fic I'm levelling my sights at: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4614344/1/Its_My_Life

    That's about it I think. *smiles*

    • So, Maxie. by Neshomeh on 2009-01-06 20:03:00 UTC Link to this

      She's from a role-play based on Battle Royale, but she's not, in fact, a character from any officially published work? I just want to make sure I understand it right. If you frequently have a temptation to lift minor characters from canon works (Agent Cham?), I'm going to tell you right now to get over it.

      The writing sample could use a little bit of work, but it's nothing a beta wouldn't catch: a few commas where there should be periods and a few places where it wasn't clear who was supposed to be speaking. Also, please avoid interrobangs. They tend to be more annoying than anything else, and I'm pretty sure none of the Flowers would ever indulge in them. Other than that, I enjoyed it. {= )

      Pending your response, this is a tentative Permission Granted.

      Taking off my PG Hat now: mind if I borrow Nurse Barker for a story set around the Invasion? He seems entertaining. *g* (Your response to this particular question will not affect your status vis a vis Permission.)

      ~Neshomeh

      • That's right. by Spud avec on 2009-01-06 20:14:00 UTC Link to this

        Yep, she's not from anything officially published. Cham isn't a canon either, so that was a bit of a writing fumble on my part in not making it clear enough.

        Anyway, sorry for the Flower slip, I wasn't entirely sure how to go about writing one of them. I did try read up on the Kdzu though. [/excuse making]

        As to your other question; sure, go ahead! I don't mind at all. ^^

        • In that case, Permission Granted. by Neshomeh on 2009-01-06 21:38:00 UTC Link to this

          Just be sure to use a beta. {= )

          And, thanks!

          ~Neshomeh

        • Kudzu dagnammit. Kudzu. (nm) by Spud avec on 2009-01-06 20:14:00 UTC Link to this
  • Break out the ysalamir... by Ugolino on 2009-01-06 22:07:00 UTC Link to this

    http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2419753/1/Eternal_Balance
    http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4708930/3/Eternal_Balance_Rewritten

    Either version is worthy of PPCing, and she's an active threat to canon.

    Incidentally, why is it that missions against force sensitives never seem to involve the ysalamir? They are canon in the 'verse, and would be highly effective. Timeline stuff isn't really that much of a problem, as people have known how to get them off the branches for quite some time as of the Thrawn era.

    • Do-ro'ik vong pratte! (nm) by Tawaki on 2009-01-07 17:43:00 UTC Link to this
      • Re: Do-ro'ik vong pratte! by Ugolino on 2009-01-07 17:55:00 UTC Link to this

        So I take it you're taking this bantha fodder?

        • The original version will be Episode XXXII (nm) by Tawaki on 2009-01-07 18:09:00 UTC Link to this
  • Mission plug! by Sedri on 2009-01-07 05:08:00 UTC Link to this

    The Vampire King of Narnia

    A Narnia/Twilight/The O.C crossover, in which Peter Pevensie is turned into a vampire by a Mary-Sue vampire named Summer. Terrible, terrible writing.

    Cheers to Trojie and Pads for beta reading.


    By the way, as there's been so much debate recently over how good or terrible Twilight actually is, I now have the book and will be putting up a review once I'm finished. I want to judge it fairly. Anyway, it'll be on my LJ, but if anyone's interested, I can post it (or a link to it) here. Should I?

    • Twilight book review - LINK by Sedri on 2009-01-07 20:46:00 UTC Link to this

      My short review of the twilight book.

      (My Twilight movie review, from two weeks ago.)

      I've tried to be fair, but personal opinion will always shine through.

      • These people need comon sense, by Leto Haven on 2009-01-08 07:27:00 UTC Link to this

        I think that this con is going to crach and burn horribly...

        http://www.twicon.org/home.html

        If it were a story, it would be PPC worthy. I found this over in the rant of SomethingPositive, a very good read www.soemthingpositive.net

        Leto

        • Can one have mini-URLs? o.O (nm) by Makari on 2009-01-09 23:39:00 UTC Link to this
      • Thanks by Neshomeh on 2009-01-07 21:52:00 UTC Link to this

        You make a good point about the Sue and Stu labels being too widely applied. It doesn't sound like the Twilight books are ones that I'll ever really enjoy, though. I much prefer my romance to be secondary to another plot.

        Interestingly enough, I noticed that that other fic by the same author, the Hermione/Eragon one, actually shows vestiges of what would be excellent characterization if it weren't for the fact that the character in question is Hermione. She sounds exactly like your average American teenager, her parents sound like parents, etc. The dad goes over the top, but that's not unheard of in real life. It's like she just took her own experiences and applied Hermione's name and appearance. Also, she clearly uses a spellchecker. She just doesn't know which words she actually wants. Very interesting.

        I'm still going to PPC the story at some point, though. The spelling errors are just too funny to pass up.

        ~Neshomeh

        • Cheers. And good luck with that... by Sedri on 2009-01-08 03:44:00 UTC Link to this

          You were talking about PPCing the Hermione/Eragon one, right? I got a little confused there.

          And no, I'm quite sure that most people wouldn't enjoy the Twilight books. Honestly, I'm not even sure why I like it, however mildly.

          • *waves hand* by Pads on 2009-01-08 06:10:00 UTC Link to this

            I wouldn't. They sparkle.

            Really, I know I've mentioned this in every forum I have at my disposal to contact you. This is because I cannot get over this. They're vampires. So they sparkle in sunlight. On behalf on all Transylvania I am headdesking.

            • I'm just mentally separating it from all actual vampires by Sedri on 2009-01-08 21:35:00 UTC Link to this

              ... er, vampire stories, that is. Really, from a biological perspective I like the idea that sunlight doesn't burn them, because that's a REALLY stupid evolutional adaptation to have, and historically I therefore see a need for there to be some other reason why they can't go out into sunlight, for which some sort of obviously inhuman characteristic makes sense... but SPARKLES?

              Really, we could've dumped them in a barrel of glitter. Pfft.

              Pads? I've an idea. let's figure out some better reason for inhuman immortal creatures (and we can just do away with the word "vampire", if your Transylvanian headdesking is too painful) to have to stay out of sunlight. Some other obvious trait other than SPARKLES. And Trojie can help with the biology.

              • *pointedly waves copy of Peeps* by CirГ­chen AnekГЎth on 2009-01-11 15:39:00 UTC Link to this

                *coughhackbiologicallyat-least-semi-viablevampirismsneeze* Sorry, pet crusade. But the anathema does give a potential explanation for avoiding sunlight!

                Er, let me know if you want me to say what it is. I'm prone to rambling about this book so I won't start of my own accord :)

                • *cheers* ONLY vampire book I really like ever! (nm) by Tasari on 2009-01-17 03:36:00 UTC Link to this
                  • *cheers* Another PPCer who's read it! by CirГ­chen AnekГЎth on 2009-01-18 17:19:00 UTC Link to this

                    ...Is two people cheering a lot? Or would it take another person? Hm.

              • I was just about to say, this sounds like a case for Trojie by Pads on 2009-01-09 02:38:00 UTC Link to this

                The idea that vampires could evolve is definitely right up her alley. (We're talking about the woman that worked out that, cladistically speaking, unicorns are goats, remember.) I think the sunlight thing's in there because notions of vampires draw rather more heavily on supernatural methods of thinking than evolutionary and scientific ones. You might as well question the possible evolutionary benefits to having your innards on fire.

                But yes, as soon as Trojie's back from her convention, let's sit down and work this one out properly.

                • Indeed. And if you want evolutionary stuff... by Sedri on 2009-01-09 04:39:00 UTC Link to this

                  The book made an attempt to explain their venom and such, though there were big logica gaps; I'll get us the raw material to work from. :)

                  • *leaps into the discussion late* by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-09 19:44:00 UTC Link to this

                    This sounds like FUN. We can totally do this.

                    • *stares at discusion* Er. Any chance I could help? (nm) by CirГ­chen AnekГЎth on 2009-01-11 15:40:00 UTC Link to this
                      • I definitely wouldn't mind by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-12 06:51:00 UTC Link to this

                        The more the merrier and all :D

                        • Particularly since I'm not sure we've actually started yet. (nm) by Sedri on 2009-01-12 21:36:00 UTC Link to this
                          • if we had, I wasn't informed :) by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-12 21:38:00 UTC Link to this

                            when I'm back from conferences and tramping, we shall begin!

                            • yes, when... by Pads on 2009-01-13 06:23:00 UTC Link to this

                              But aren't you meant to be doing conferences now? Which means no being online? And yet you still answer Board posts but are not, for example, online for me to ramble at you?

                              Yes. Discussions of vampire biology shall commence as soon as, uh, uni coursework has sodded off.

                              • Yes, I'm at a conference... by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-13 09:34:00 UTC Link to this

                                ... this means I only get to be online late at my night or for one brief ten minute period in the morning, which sadly leaves no time for rambling.

                                Not quite on the subject of vampire biology, I now want to write a story about a vampire boy/girl of *actually* about 17 or so (because when you read about them, they always *look* like they're in their teens/twenties but are actually in their hundreds) falling in love with an older human. Because yay for Doing Things Different.

                            • Indeed we shall. On Gmail chat, I think, if it works. (nm) by Sedri on 2009-01-13 03:42:00 UTC Link to this
                • Unicorns are goats? by Neshomeh on 2009-01-09 04:20:00 UTC Link to this

                  I'd love to hear the explanation behind that. Are you folks on AIM? MSN? Otherwise, Trojie has my e-mail.

                  ~Neshomeh

                  • yep by Pads on 2009-01-09 19:21:00 UTC Link to this

                    She's buggered off to a conference, but I'll see if I can find the email she sent me about it.

                    *four seconds later*

                    Aha! Glod bless gmail and its search function. I'm johnny underscore rat at msn dot com, so give me a shout and I'll tell you all about it.

                  • Gmail seems most common. Or else an LJ post (nm) by Sedri on 2009-01-09 04:39:00 UTC Link to this
          • Yup. by Neshomeh on 2009-01-08 05:05:00 UTC Link to this

            Yeah, that's the one. No one else claimed it, so I did. I might even bump it up the list. It should be a relatively easy mission with lots to poke fun at. I just have to decide whether Hermione is replaced or just thoroughly possessed. Eragon is probably in character except for having no memory of his actual life, but I haven't finished reading the fic yet.

            ~Neshomeh

    • Post the link, please by Five_redclawed on 2009-01-07 15:22:00 UTC Link to this

      I've been meaning to check it out myself, but other books take higher priority on my reading list.

    • It sucks. by Maudlin Hart on 2009-01-07 12:50:00 UTC Link to this

      I couldn't even get through the first book. Too much Sue and Stu. Everyone and her Alsatian reccomended it to me just because I'm gothly. Bah.

      • For a moment, I thought you were talking about my mission. (nm) by Sedri on 2009-01-07 19:53:00 UTC Link to this
        • So did I, briefly. by Ugolino on 2009-01-07 19:56:00 UTC Link to this

          How OOC would that be? :p

          • Very OOC for me. by Maudlin Hart on 2009-01-08 00:11:00 UTC Link to this

            Eep, I was mocking Twilight, because it sucks, and that is a very weak pun. Hehe. Just wanted to get that straight.

            • No worries. It was just one of those 'blink' moments. :) (nm) by Sedri on 2009-01-08 03:42:00 UTC Link to this
  • First mission plug! by Ugolino on 2009-01-07 18:12:00 UTC Link to this

    http://hungryugolino.livejournal.com/

    Thanks to Anity and Leto for beta-ing it.

    Thoughts?

    • Psst by Rilwen Shadowflame on 2009-01-09 13:57:00 UTC Link to this

      LJ Cuts are Good Things. Especially to anybody who friends you and doesn't want your posts to eat a friendslist page up.
      If you edit in html rather than rich text mode, use this helpful guide, which includes the wonders of LJ cuts and other such things. ;)

      • Confused... by Ugolino on 2009-01-09 20:34:00 UTC Link to this

        What does a LJ cut do?

        • A lot of things by Rilwen Shadowflame on 2009-01-09 23:29:00 UTC Link to this

          For one, it means that it hides all the text put into the cut, so that you only see that by clicking on the post.

          Take a look in here. Scroll down a bit. The entries with those bolded bracketed links are entries with LJ cuts. If you click on one of those entries, it will open it up, and you can see the full post. Until then, see how much easier it is to find individual posts? It's far less cluttered that way.

          Also, on livejournal there is a thing called the friends page, where you can see all the posts made recently by your friends. Without an LJ cut, a post like yours is truly huge on the friends page, and requires a lot of scrolling to go past. It's considered polite to put long posts behind a cut.

          Also, you use LJ cuts if you are saying something or using images that a person may find distressing or are not work safe. Then you use a cut, and warn outside the cut for what is in it.

          • Thanks. (nm) by Ugolino on 2009-01-09 23:32:00 UTC Link to this
    • That was a nasty one~ by Makari on 2009-01-07 23:20:00 UTC Link to this

      Nice job. Very nicely killed.

      ...um. I don't really have much to say... I was entertained, which is good...

      Oh, yes. Looking forward to seeing what happens~ somehow, I get the feeling these two are stuck, no matter how they try. ^_^

      • Glad you liked it. by Ugolino on 2009-01-07 23:24:00 UTC Link to this

        Thanks for the praise. I'm working on the next, much shorter one right now. Want to beta it?

        And that's not entirely certain. Mostly it depends on whether or not Alex goes crazy or not in the next two missions...

        • Depends~ by Makari on 2009-01-08 06:01:00 UTC Link to this

          I'd love to, but what's the fandom?

          • Star Wars (nm) by Ugolino on 2009-01-08 17:14:00 UTC Link to this
            • Sure, can do. (nm) by Makari on 2009-01-08 18:59:00 UTC Link to this
              • E-mail? (nm) by Ugolino on 2009-01-08 19:51:00 UTC Link to this
                • I are genius. by Makari on 2009-01-09 01:30:00 UTC Link to this

                  makari.crow@gmail.com. ^_^

  • Happy birthday to me~! by Oozaru Angel on 2009-01-08 00:19:00 UTC Link to this

    That's right! Today, on the 8th of January, yours truly turns seventeen years old. *bows*





    So... Cake?

    • *incredibly late, due to lack of internets-ness* by Cassie Cameron-Young on 2009-01-13 18:25:00 UTC Link to this

      Happy birthday, Oozaru. I present you with a sack of pebbles, your own sling and a basket of Bleeprin-berries.

      *hides, hoping that the issue of polybetaness won't cause OA to throw pebbles at her*

    • Happy (late) birthday! by Adagio on 2009-01-09 17:14:00 UTC Link to this

      Have some urple duct tape!

    • Already wished ya a happy birthday, so here's a flaxe! by kgarrett on 2009-01-09 03:08:00 UTC Link to this

      And yes, cake is good. Just figured I'd say something on the board. What the hell, right? I mean, everyone else on the bloody board has turned up, I might as well toss something in. Don't get too wild at the party. ;) (I kid, of course)

    • Happy birthday! by Sara on 2009-01-08 23:13:00 UTC Link to this

      *throws you an otter plushie*

      Ooh, cake!

    • Have a Mark IV K-9! (nm) by Tawaki on 2009-01-08 18:27:00 UTC Link to this
    • Happy birthday! by Maudlin Hart on 2009-01-08 16:15:00 UTC Link to this

      *gifts with Suenicorn jerky* You can eat it...or something...

    • Happy Birthday! *offers chocolate cake* by Fynn on 2009-01-08 14:16:00 UTC Link to this

      And here, have this retractable spork. So you can steal other people's cake off their plates, and then look innocent whilst they wonder where their food went.
      Oh, and you can also spork things from a distance with it. Like Sues. Although why you'd want to spork 'em from a distance when you can get up close and personal with a nice sharp blade and....ahem. Yeah. I'll shut up now, and let you have a good birthday.
      :)

    • Anti-Lustin Candles! by WikiMaster on 2009-01-08 11:37:00 UTC Link to this

      Also, have a Sky Bison.

      • Thank you! by Oozaru Angel on 2009-01-08 13:08:00 UTC Link to this

        Someone certainly knows the way to my heart. *cuddles Sky Bison*

        • You're welcome. (nm) by WikiMaster on 2009-01-09 09:44:00 UTC Link to this
    • Happy birthday! by Buta no Kaabii on 2009-01-08 11:23:00 UTC Link to this

      Have a spork-staff. It's basically a really long magical spork. Or something like that. It's also really, really shiny.

      • Thanks! I shall poke people with it. (nm) by Oozaru Angel on 2009-01-08 13:09:00 UTC Link to this
    • Cake! by wingnut on 2009-01-08 07:19:00 UTC Link to this

      (Because the other option would be wildly inappropriate.)

      *brings a platter of fairy bread* Happy birthday! Here's to many more. *downs a glass of water*

      • Thank you! (nm) by Oozaru Angel on 2009-01-08 13:09:00 UTC Link to this
    • *celebrates* by Pads on 2009-01-08 06:34:00 UTC Link to this

      In your honour, I shall claim the last drink was for your celebrations.

      ...

      What do you mean, I didn't know it was your birthday when I drank it? I can retcon, dammit!

      *gets drunk in your honour*

      Happy birthday!

      Ah, seventeen. I'd reminisce, but I'm slightly scared by the total mental blank that is my seventeenth. But enjoy it! Your next one's eighteen, and that's when everything becomes legal, and so becomes a lot less fun.

      • Aww, this is the first time by Oozaru Angel on 2009-01-08 13:12:00 UTC Link to this

        someone's gotten drunk in my honour. (Besides, you know, after my father found out my mother was pregnant. And when my mother found out she was pregnant. And probably when I was conceived, knowing my parents.) Thank you!

    • Cool! Happy Birthday! by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-08 06:18:00 UTC Link to this

      Have a graduated cylinder with a party hat (instead of the usual graduation cap) and ... *digs around* some ice-cream cake! That is, if you like ice-cream cake. Because I do.

      • I prefer chocolate but cake is cake! by Oozaru Angel on 2009-01-08 13:13:00 UTC Link to this

        *carefully balanced cylinder on head*

    • Happy Birthday! by hushpiper on 2009-01-08 04:07:00 UTC Link to this

      Hurray! Happy 17, and congratulations! In my opinion, 17 is when things really start getting good. Screw 16.

      (But remember: The cake is a LIE. DO NOT BE FOOLED.)

      • For reals? Yes! by Oozaru Angel on 2009-01-08 12:51:00 UTC Link to this

        Any particular reason why 17 is a good year?

        *omnoms on icing covered lembas*

    • Happy Birthday! Have a crepe paper streamer... by Sedri on 2009-01-08 03:52:00 UTC Link to this

      ...and a steamboat. Painted white, just waiting for you to name it so they can put up some massive letters. :D

      *hands around the Convenient Cake*

      • My own steamboat? by Oozaru Angel on 2009-01-08 12:50:00 UTC Link to this

        You, girl, are awesome. Awesome sauce. Awesomesawsome sauce. :D And as for a name... The Dukylon. Because I am bad at names and I've already named a ship after one cafe....

        • *accepts awesomeness* You're welcome. by Sedri on 2009-01-08 21:31:00 UTC Link to this

          I'll just go and paint "Dukylon" in big black letters now. :D

          Happy birthday, again!

    • How about lembas? With candles on! by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-08 03:01:00 UTC Link to this

      Happy birthday!

      • And icing? by Oozaru Angel on 2009-01-08 03:14:00 UTC Link to this

        Thank you!

        • and icing. Just for you! (nm) by The Trojanhorse on 2009-01-08 03:16:00 UTC Link to this
          • Hee~! (nm) by Oozaru Angel on 2009-01-08 13:13:00 UTC Link to this
    • Happy Birthday! by Neshomeh on 2009-01-08 02:36:00 UTC Link to this

      Have a pencil sharpener and... um... a metal bottle cap. It's shiny and it has sharp edges. That's good, right?

      ^_~

      ~Neshomeh

      • Happy birthday by Ugolino on 2009-01-08 18:34:00 UTC Link to this

        Have a roast "vorcel hawk" on a shiny silver platter. Yes, it's a CAF, but it is edible. Mostly.

        • My birthday isn't until June, but thanks. {= ) by Neshomeh on 2009-01-08 20:26:00 UTC Link to this

          Oh, wait. You meant to respond to Oozaru's post, not mine.

          ^_~

          ~Neshomeh

      • Oooh... I needed a new sharpener. by Oozaru Angel on 2009-01-08 03:13:00 UTC Link to this

        And I'm sure I can cause someone serious physical harm with this bottle cap if I put lots of effort into it. Thanks!

        • "You're going to kill us with a soup cup?" by Neshomeh on 2009-01-08 20:38:00 UTC Link to this

          "Teacup."

          "Huh?"

          "I said, 'I'll kill you with my teacup.'"

          *pwnage*

          ... You might be able to really mess up someone's eyesight with a bottle cap... or you could put it down their trachea or esophagus. That wouldn't be fun at all.

          ~Neshomeh

  • What happens if... by Zotz on 2009-01-08 01:18:00 UTC Link to this

    An author misspells one of their created lesser characters' names? And is it a charge? I can't seem to find anything about it on the Wiki...

    • Not much. by Neshomeh on 2009-01-08 02:40:00 UTC Link to this

      You can charge for the misspelling with extra venom, considering that the writer should at least be able to spell their own characters' names, but other than that, not much happens. I suppose in extreme cases you could end up with two different characters, but I don't think I've seen such a thing.

      ~Neshomeh

      • That sounds scary, but likely. by IndeMaat on 2009-01-08 09:26:00 UTC Link to this

        Once on a mission I got so fed up with the author ending each chapter in a cliffhanger and calling them cliffies, that I created the character Cliffie. He's short and sings Cliff Richard songs.

        He must be hanging around at HQ somewhere. My agent took him to a party, but she did not return with him.

        • {X D by Neshomeh on 2009-01-08 20:24:00 UTC Link to this

          I like that. I can easily imagine a short guy appearing to sing random songs at the end of each chapter. "And now, another Cliffie! Yay!"

          ~Neshomeh

    • Ebonys name is ENOBY okay nut mary su (nm) by Heliomance on 2009-01-08 02:08:00 UTC Link to this
  • Random linguistics poll! by Pads on 2009-01-08 06:54:00 UTC Link to this

    The short explanation for this poll is: Rilwen called Pads on a grammatical construction that may or may not be standard. Pads and Sedri bickered goodnaturedly over it for a couple of hours. Neither Pads nor Sedri has the neccesary linguistical toolbox to explain a) what was going on in the sentence under contention or b) why one version or another might be standard. Both Pads and Sedri have called on their respective linguistics professors for clarification. To date, only Pads's professor has replied. His notion is that the grammatical construction in question may or may not be standard, but it seems to have a geographical basis. In the spirit of pure inquiry, we therefore ask you all to answer the following two questions:

    a) where are you from?
    b) which grammatical construction would you usually use?
    (i)"he needs his head checking"
    OR
    (ii)"he needs his head checked"

    • A little late, but by Elcalion on 2009-01-15 05:47:00 UTC Link to this

      I'm from Australia (east coast)

      I'd go with "He needs his head checked" out of the two options, but I'd think that "His head needs checking" would be preferable to either.

      Elcalion

    • Thanks all for your input by Pads on 2009-01-10 14:52:00 UTC Link to this

      Consensus seems to be that we're looking at a purely British English phenomenon. I'm still confused by why non-British English is rather more prescriptive in this particular matter, but investigations will continue.

      Cheers!

    • Re: Random linguistics poll! by Luana Starlight on 2009-01-10 00:11:00 UTC Link to this

      A) Frederick, MD, America

      B) [ii] He needs his head checked.

    • Re: Random linguistics poll! by pigeonarmy on 2009-01-10 00:04:00 UTC Link to this

      a)Central North Island, New Zealand.
      b)"He needs his head checked." In a put-on Cockney accent.

    • Re: Random linguistics poll! by Adagio on 2009-01-09 17:52:00 UTC Link to this

      a) I'm from the Eastern Coast of the USA, Maryland to be exact.

      b) I'd use "he needs his head checked," but I might also use "his head needs checking."

    • Re: Random linguistics poll! by Zotz on 2009-01-09 12:44:00 UTC Link to this

      A) New York
      B) (ii)

      He needs his head checking what? His E-mail?

    • Re: Random linguistics poll! by lynxihez on 2009-01-09 10:58:00 UTC Link to this

      a) England
      b)i. Just sounds better that way.

    • a) England b) "He needs his head checking" (nm) by Heliomance on 2009-01-09 10:16:00 UTC Link to this
    • Haha. by Sara on 2009-01-08 23:12:00 UTC Link to this

      a) America, which means you should totally disregard the next answer.
      b) "He needs his head checked."

    • re: Random Linguistics Poll! by Lily Winterwood on 2009-01-08 23:03:00 UTC Link to this

      a) where are you from?
      I'm from the Pacific side of the U.S. of A.
      b) which grammatical construction would you usually use?
      (i)"he needs his head checking"
      OR
      (ii)"he needs his head checked"
      I'd use the latter.

    • Re: Random linguistics poll! by Ansela on 2009-01-08 22:32:00 UTC Link to this

      1) Derby, via Krefeld, Hannover, Catterick and Harrogate. (Don't ask)

      2) I use both, but more often than not it's 'he needs his head checked/examined/felt' with the addition of 'with a sledgehammer' to the end of that.

    • Seattle, here... by Techno-Dann on 2009-01-08 21:20:00 UTC Link to this

      a) Seattle
      b) it really depends on context - if you're saying "I think he's crazy or obsessed about something", it's "I think he needs to get his head checked". If, however, you're saying "he's borderline crazy and needs to talk with his shrink", I'd use "he needs his weekly/monthly/annual head checking".

      Grammatically speaking, it all comes down to what, exactly, is being done - is his head being checked, or is he getting a head check?

      The first strikes me as being slightly more serious, while the second is a bit more colloquial... Once again, it depends on context.

    • Re: Random linguistics poll! by BattleHamster on 2009-01-08 19:42:00 UTC Link to this

      a) Northern Midwest USA

      b) ii. checked

    • ...I wouldn't use either by Purplefluffychainsaw on 2009-01-08 18:58:00 UTC Link to this

      Although, to be fair, I think it's only used around me when people want to talk about me. It would be a bit pot, kettle, black if I did use it.

      Anyway. a) South East England
      and b) I'd actually say "he needs to have his head checked". Out of the two, "he needs his head checked" sounds better to me though.

    • I'm from the US midwest by Tawaki on 2009-01-08 18:30:00 UTC Link to this

      I think the authors of C*l*br**n, Ch* Ch*ng's D*sires, and S*bj*g*t**n need their heads examined.

    • Re: Random linguistics poll! by Five_redclawed on 2009-01-08 18:14:00 UTC Link to this

      I'm from the States. I'd use "He needs his head checked."

    • Re: Random linguistics poll! by Maudlin Hart on 2009-01-08 16:14:00 UTC Link to this

      a) Untied States of Hysteria.
      b) "he needs his head checked".

    • From the states, me. by Tomato on 2009-01-08 15:18:00 UTC Link to this

      a) Northeast United States
      b) "He needs his head checked."

    • 'nother Brit here by Fynn on 2009-01-08 14:12:00 UTC Link to this

      a) Originally from Cornwall, but been living in the Midlands for twelve years.
      b) I'd use "he needs his head checking", but that's more because that's how I've always heard the phrase used (and used it myself) than for any reasons of grammatical correctness.

    • I'm from Perth (WA) and by Oozaru Angel on 2009-01-08 12:46:00 UTC Link to this

      I'm gonna have to go with "he needs his head checked." The first one works but it could also mean that he needs his head to be checking something. 0.o

    • Non native speaker. by WikiMaster on 2009-01-08 10:18:00 UTC Link to this

      a.) Ninth zone east after the great prime meridian (sorry, can't resist).

      b.)ii

    • non-native speaker by IndeMaat on 2009-01-08 09:22:00 UTC Link to this

      a) from the Netherlands. Learned my English from TV (I'm sorry English teachers, but that's the truth of it), so it's a mix of British, American, Canadian and Australian.
      b) second option. First option made me ask: what does his head need to check? I assume that the intend of both sentences was that someone's head should be examined rather than that the head does some examining.

      Regional difference could be very likely. In Dutch there are several difference between the Netherlands and Belgium in how certain things are said, and even within the Netherlands there are regional differences. For instance in the south someone would say: I brought the book with (litteral translation, so excuse for the incorrect English for a moment). And people from the north always insist the correct sentence is: I brought the book with me. For a southerner the "me" is implied; who else are you going to bring a book with?

      Guess something similar may be the case here: in the first sentence it is implied that heads to check things, so they must be the things getting the checking.

      • another interesting discovery by Pads on 2009-01-08 19:25:00 UTC Link to this

        Yes, the intent of both sentences was identical.

        I'm in Hull (which you've probably heard of, what with the ferries), and we often skip the pronoun in the same way as you with your book. For example, if you said you were going to the shops, I'd reply "Mind if I come with?" I wonder if it's parallel evolution of dialects, or if we pinched it off you or vice versa.

      • You learned english from TV? by WikiMaster on 2009-01-08 10:28:00 UTC Link to this

        Amazing. That's all I could say.

        • well, by IndeMaat on 2009-01-08 20:13:00 UTC Link to this

          school and books helped with the polishing, but learning a language starts with hearing it a lot.

    • Hooray for linguistics. by Makari on 2009-01-08 09:02:00 UTC Link to this

      I'm from... uh... shoot.
      Born in northwest US, lived in British Columbia since I was twelve.
      I think I'd use ii - "he needs his head checked."
      ...i could work, I suppose, but I'd put a hyphen in it. Because yes, I am just that strange. Turn that last bit into head-checking and all of a sudden it makes sense to me.

      ...yes. That's all I have to say on the matter. Really. ^^;

      • now that really is peculiar by Pads on 2009-01-08 09:14:00 UTC Link to this

        "He needs his head-checking"? Head-checking is, I think, a noun phrase there. And that, er, totally doesn't make sense, unless "head-checking" is an actual thing that one could want or see or point at. Which may be the case, but also totally rearranges the grammar and semantics of our initial problematical sentence.

        *scratches head*

        Truly, we learn something new every day. (Although you have not, alas, beaten the weirdness of being informed that, in Scotland, one can acceptably say "His head needs checked.")

        • Scotland's not that weird. by Neshomeh on 2009-01-08 20:19:00 UTC Link to this

          They just dropped the "to be." They do that in Pennsylvania, too, from what I've heard.

          ~Neshomeh

          • Yes, Pennsylvania too by BeetleFire on 2009-01-08 21:53:00 UTC Link to this

            I heard a story of a doctor who had recently moved to PA being confused by the way his nurses talked. One gave him a chart and told him, "This needs read."

            The doctor was stumped as to why the chart would need some red (pen/markings) on it, until finally the nurse clarified, "No, you need to *read* it."

            Personally, I was confused by the sentence "The room needs sweepered," also encountered in PA.

        • I live to serve. ^^ by Makari on 2009-01-08 18:59:00 UTC Link to this

          Exactly. He's overdue for his head-checking. *nodnods* I had the feeling it would, but I felt obliged to point it out. ^^

          ...darn. But hey, I learned something new, so it wasn't a total waste~

    • Mmm, linguistics. by Neshomeh on 2009-01-08 08:02:00 UTC Link to this

      a) I'm from the northerly midwestern USA.

      b) He needs his head checked.

      And I'll tell you why I think so. First of all, the full sentence should be "he needs to have his head checked," presumably by a medical doctor or psychologist or something like that. As far as I know, there is no such activity as to have a "head checking," so that makes no sense to me. To have one's head checked, however, implies an examination of some sort, and makes perfect sense if you're questioning someone's intelligence or sanity.

      ~Neshomeh + $0.02

      • the tenses look crazy to me by Pads on 2009-01-08 08:38:00 UTC Link to this

        The "to have" is implicit, not directly stated. The "checked" is past tense. To need to have one's head checked seems, semantically, to be expressing a desire for one's head to have been checked. We're still waiting on word from the linguistics professors on how to break down "he needs it checking", but, to me and to everyone who took part in my informal straw poll in the pub tonight, the continuous present seems a better verb form to use when referring to an action one wants to come to pass. Better than the past, anyway. It is confusing to say the least.

        How would you phrase the following: "His head needs checking" or "his head needs to be checked"?

        Oh, and I don't suppose you've any knowledge of modals in Latin?

        • tenses... by Techno-Dann on 2009-01-08 22:27:00 UTC Link to this

          (Warning: I Am Not An English Teacher. take with a grain of salt)

          Would "checked" still seem like past tense if I was to say "he's having his head checked by Dr. Freedenberg"? Transitive or intransitive, I don't think "checked" is past tense. It's being used in the perfective aspect, that of referring to the action as a whole, rather than the past tense. The two of them using the same word is just bad language design.

          To my (American English) mind, anyways, "to have" can't be made implicit, because it's the primary verb in the sentence. It's a state-of-being sentence, in this case that while he does not have X, he should. (X, of course, being a trip to a psychologist.)

          What can I say? English is a crazy language.

          "His head needs checking" or "his head needs to be checked" are both valid sentences, and mean the same thing as "he needs to have his head checked". The last form is the most commonly used one around here, but that's probably a dialect thing rather than a real law.

          • Re: tenses... by Pads on 2009-01-09 02:16:00 UTC Link to this

            And this is the point when I lament the woeful state of English grammar teaching in English schools. *goes to look up transitive and intransitive verbs*

            Your "he needs to have his head checked" is certainly standard, at least. But not a law, clearly, because this thread's shown that English has a million and one ways to say any particular thing.

        • English is crazy. by Neshomeh on 2009-01-08 20:16:00 UTC Link to this

          Sadly, I don't know much of anything about Latin grammar.

          I wonder if "he needs (to have) his head checked" is an instance of the passive voice my professors hate so much. "His head needs to be checked" might be the academically preferred way to say the same thing. "His head needs checking" or "needs a checking" also works, though I would say that's more informal. In those constructions, the gerund becomes a noun more than a verb. Maybe the most grammatically sensible construction would be "his head needs a check." Of course, no one says that.

          I don't think "checked" is strictly past tense in "he needs his head checked," though. A quick scan through my Chicago Manual of Style reveals no concrete answer, but I suspect it's some form of participle.

          I'll ask my professors about it if you want more input. The word "check" is ceasing to have meaning in my head, though, so I'm done for now. ^_^;

          ~Neshomeh, who hates it when that happens.

          • Re: English is crazy. by Pads on 2009-01-09 02:33:00 UTC Link to this

            Any insight your professors could give would be smashing.

            Gerund's a verb acting as a noun, right?

            Past participle of some description sounds about right, I'm just terribly bad at remembering the words for all these things, since I was actually taught them in German. I had a good chat with my dad about it last night, and we're pretty certain "needs" is acting as a modal verb. So if we were speaking German (except they'd express the idea completely differently), that last verb would take the infinitive, which is very close to the English "needs to be checked" except without the "-ed" on the end. Not sure what form the verb would take in any other languages though.

            The reason I ask about Latin is that, in mine and Sedri's original conversation, she also commented on me splitting infinitives, and this not being allowed. So she seems, at least to some degree, to have been taught the prescriptive Latinate grammar touted as superior in the 19th century. It's possible the checked/checking thing results from that same attempt to force a Germanic language into a Latin mould, so looking into Latin modals would be useful.

            Then there's still this issue of "His head needs checking" versus "He needs his head checking". We've none of us yet been able to come up with any concrete reason why the former would be acceptable while the latter wouldn't. And my linguistics professor says that one's still up for debate. Any ideas? Looking at your previous post, and everyone else's, it seems as though the general consensus is that there's a head check noun phrase involved, but if that's the case, it makes no more sense to tack -ed on the end than -ing. If "needs" is being used as a modal verb, it needs another verb after, and that other verb can take various tenses ("I should go", "I should be going", or "I should have gone", for example) depending on meaning. Of course, stating this clearly brings us no closer to deciding the most appropriate tense for that verb. I'm just sure that past is no more (and also perhaps no less) applicable than the continuous present.

            Gah. Tying my brain in knots here.

    • Hope to help. by wingnut on 2009-01-08 07:59:00 UTC Link to this

      I'm from Sydney. If I was going to use an expression like that, I'd probably use 'he needs his head checked'.

  • Lady Contrivance by Ugolino on 2009-01-08 18:32:00 UTC Link to this

    May I use her in my PPC? She'll just be called in without being noticed by the Agents, get annoyed and teleport back to the POTC 'verse with a pop.

    • She'll be glad to be of use. by Araeph on 2009-01-09 02:11:00 UTC Link to this

      PotCSues, who invented her, encouraged me to use her as much as I wanted, so I guess I'll do the same to you.

      *encourage**encourage**encourage*

    • I would think so. by Neshomeh on 2009-01-08 20:32:00 UTC Link to this

      I think Lady Contrivance is a gag more than a character, so I'd say she's free for use by all and sundry.

      ~Neshomeh

  • OT -- are Yahoo and Hotmail feuding? by Tawaki on 2009-01-08 18:44:00 UTC Link to this

    I have not been able to get a message through to a Hotmail account in over a month.

    • I have/had that problem too by IndeMaat on 2009-01-08 20:08:00 UTC Link to this

      While back couldn't send messages from my yahoo.co.uk address to hotmail adresses. Could reach all other addresses, plus I could reach the hotmail address from my yahoo.com address. I told yahoo about this problem; they told me there was a problem with my service provider. Which I doubt, unless my provider hates both yahoo.co.uk and hotmail but not yahoo.com

      Haven't tried sending anything to a hotmail address in a while, but I guess a yes to your question would be in order.

  • OT: Question by Ansela on 2009-01-08 22:00:00 UTC Link to this

    Has anyone here ever spotted something on a website that they really, really, really want to buy, only to find out (once they've managed to locate the handy little link that turns the page into a readable language) that they can't because it's only available within one country?

    • Yes, on the BBC website by Five_redclawed on 2009-01-09 17:30:00 UTC Link to this

      I've had a tough time getting access to the British Life on Mars television show. I'd be more than willing to rent it from the video store, but there is no domestic import; while I've managed to get my hands on copies from Britain, the DVD format is different and messes with my laptop. You'd think that if a show was so appealing to people that various countries around the world are remaking the series, it would be a good idea to export the original, but noooo...

      Sorry, this has been a long-running pet peeve. I'll stop ranting now.

      Also, while I haven't been actively trying to buy it, I've heard of gamers who wanted to get the Japanese game called "Metal Wolf Chaos." However, the company won't export it even though the game has the most spectacularly awesome concept ever.

      • *looks shifty* by Ansela on 2009-01-09 18:07:00 UTC Link to this

        Life on Mars UK version? If you can use torrents, then you could download it until you can get a DVD that's encoded for your region. The BBC is a bit crap though, when it comes to exports, so you might be waiting a while.

        http://www.btmon.com/Other/Unsorted/LIFE_ON_MARS_-_THE_COMPLETE_FIRST_SERIES.torrent.html (tells you how to use torrents as well).

        • There are less illegal options... by Techno-Dann on 2009-01-11 01:52:00 UTC Link to this

          For example, switching your DVD drive to a region free firmware.

          (Surgeon General's Warning: Firmware flashing is not risk-free. Make sure to get the appropriate version for your system, etcetera.)

    • *is currently living in Japan* by Leto Haven on 2009-01-09 09:28:00 UTC Link to this

      If you trust me I can get it to you, depending on if I can get it. I would have to get your real life address (off list of course). Or you could even have amazon send it to my place, and then I would send it to you.

      What are you looking for? (I may be able to get it at a cheaper price than amazon). Since it isn:t an English book or something like that, it is not easy to get english books in Yamaguchi-ken. *wink*

      Up to you, I would not be offended in the slightest if you don:t want to give me your address at all.

      PS, depending on the weight, international shipping can be very stupid. Four paper back books form Canada to Japan by mail cost $30 CAD. If you don:t mind waiting for it (~6 months) I can get cheap shipping. If not, it does add to the price of the object.

      Leto

      • Re: *is currently living in Japan* by Ansela on 2009-01-09 18:09:00 UTC Link to this

        That wouldn't be too much trouble? You're an angel! Are you still on the same email?

        I don't mind waiting. The figurine set I want isn't out until April 25th, so I'd have to wait for it anyway.

        Books, huh? Depending on what it is, I can get hold of English books pretty easily. I'm assuming you mean books in English here, not books for teaching English, since you tend to need to go to specialist suppliers for them.

        • I have a good suply for novels! by Leto on 2009-01-09 22:18:00 UTC Link to this

          But yes, I am still at letohaven @ hotmail . com and will ship it to you when you want! I know the pain of waiting for things. I wait for my favourite authors to write their novels all the time!

          If they all come out at the same time, I will be able to get them to you. And 6300 yen is much less then I would have expected for them.

          I am in the country until Sepetember, maybe December, haven:t decided yet.

          L

          • Perchased, now it is the waiting game! (nm) by Leto Haven on 2009-01-13 23:48:00 UTC Link to this
    • Sure. It's called "America". by Sedri on 2009-01-08 22:09:00 UTC Link to this

      Happens all the time. Amercian companies (except Amazon.com) seem to forget that there's a world beyond their borders, and that the internet allows us to look, drool, and then pay twice the item's price on shipping because we have to route it through a proxy, which half the time is impossible.

      Bah; sorry. Grumbling. Any reason you ask?

      • Re: Sure. It's called "America". by Ansela on 2009-01-08 22:17:00 UTC Link to this

        There's something I want from Japan, but amazon.jp doesn't ship toys outside of the country. I can afford it, and it's something I really want, but the UK is not, no matter how much I want it to be sometimes, Japan.

        • My sympathies. by Sedri on 2009-01-09 04:37:00 UTC Link to this

          Any chance there's anyone over there who'd be willing to mail it for you?

  • I neeed a spork to pluck my eyes out... by WikiMaster on 2009-01-09 12:50:00 UTC Link to this

    The reason is this fic:

    http://www.anifics.com/hosted/ladycosmos/stories/fateofhope.txt

    Yes, It's another bad Digimon/Pokemon Crossover. I've been trying to find out some good ones, but all I found were monsters of bad writing. Can you do something about it?

    Love, Wik.

    • If only, if only... by hushpiper on 2009-01-12 03:13:00 UTC Link to this

      If I were actually doing a spinoff (as opposed to pretending that I am), I would take this one so fast. Ah, my poor childhood.

      • I know how you feel. (nm) by WikiMaster on 2009-01-12 10:17:00 UTC Link to this
    • Fine, I'll use extra strength Bleeperin. by WikiMaster on 2009-01-10 12:50:00 UTC Link to this

      Anyway, who wishes to take the fic? Hello, anyone, hello?

      • Sorry, by Anity on 2009-01-11 19:11:00 UTC Link to this

        but even if I had Permission, I know nothing about Digimon canon.

        • Or Pokemon. by Anity on 2009-01-11 19:12:00 UTC Link to this

          Glod, I wish these things had an edit button.

          • Sigh... by WikiMaster on 2009-01-12 10:16:00 UTC Link to this

            If only. *Sighs again*.

  • Shameless Plug the 2nd. by Ugolino on 2009-01-09 23:42:00 UTC Link to this

    http://hungryugolino.livejournal.com/936.html

    Short and to the point this time.

    • Nice work. by kgarrett on 2009-01-10 02:15:00 UTC Link to this

      One of my few problems with your last mission was that it read more like an MST than a mission, so I'm glad that was improved on in this case. The mission was done well, I enjoyed reading it, look forward to seeing more from you.

  • ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? by Maudlin Hart on 2009-01-10 01:09:00 UTC Link to this

    In a badfic found on Quizilla, what do we do with the entities known as "the Quiztakers"? You know, you get stuff like...
    "and then legolas wakled in he was crying and Sierrahressandranianala said 'whats' wrong?'
    i luv legolas she cant have him!!! (well ok)
    oh no whys he cryng (youll see)
    *points sorwd at quizmakre* (oh no)"
    ...in which those loving Legolas, questioning his lachrymose state, or pointing swords are the Quiztakers. (This is not a genuine badfic.)
    What is the correct procedure for disposing of them? Should they be killed? If so, how? They don't actively participate in the story, so do they count as bits or Author-Wraiths or what? Are they merely a glorified AN? Help!

    • Bean them over the head with a question mark? by Sara on 2009-01-10 04:00:00 UTC Link to this

      No offense, dear, but that is a lot of excess punctuation.

      Anyway, to actually be useful, I think that they'd just be a sort of Author's Note. The author attempting to put words in the readers' mouths, I guess. That's my two cents.

      • So, by Anity on 2009-01-11 18:57:00 UTC Link to this

        I'm guessing it would just be a charge? Of course, I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about...

        • Well... by Sara on 2009-01-11 23:09:00 UTC Link to this

          ...since it's basically putting an author's note right in the middle of a text, I think it'd count as a charge.

      • Ah... um... (cringes) by Maudlin Hart on 2009-01-11 00:07:00 UTC Link to this

        Sorry about that. Thanks for the two cents! I shall buy coffee with it!

        • Sorry... by Zotz on 2009-01-12 18:38:00 UTC Link to this

          You cant get a good cup of coffee for 2 cents. You can, however, get a half-smoked cigar butt. Guaranteed to have been smoked by only one hobo...

          • Hobo yerself. *sticks out tongue* (nm) by Maudlin Hart on 2009-01-13 00:19:00 UTC Link to this
        • Hey, no worries. Now you know. ;-) (nm) by Sara on 2009-01-11 02:26:00 UTC Link to this
          • And knowing is half the battle! (nm) by Heliomance on 2009-01-11 11:41:00 UTC Link to this
            • Nuuu... by Maudlin Hart on 2009-01-12 15:57:00 UTC Link to this

              ..having a giant army of pirates, zombies, robots, ninja, rabbits, Orcs, really hot guys, Sith, monkeys, Sackville-Bagginses, fish people, lolcats, and teenage goths is half the battle.

              • Never said it wasn't. by Heliomance on 2009-01-12 21:09:00 UTC Link to this

                Knowing is the other half.

                • Because if you don't know that you've got the army... by Maudlin Hart on 2009-01-13 12:32:00 UTC Link to this

                  ...bad things will happen.

  • Plot Bunney for adoption by Leto Haven on 2009-01-10 07:15:00 UTC Link to this

    This is along the lines of the chose your own adventure plot bunney a couple weeks ago.

    The idea is, you are reading through a fic from the characters perspective, when you make your choice in the story, if it is not the `sue choice, you go along in the story. If you take the `sue choice, you get visited by agents and the story ends. (It may have to be a couple of chices but I really haven:t figured that part out yet)

    I was thinking that an existing good fic could be used for this and side story lines could be written in by many people.

    Is this a good idea? It would be a break from the regular agent perspective and have it from the `sues perspective.

    Leto

    • Hm...that reminds me. by hungryugolino@gmail.com on 2009-01-11 01:13:00 UTC Link to this

      I had a similar idea: an entire PPC fic from the POV of the Sue or the brainwashed canons. The latter would be similar to one of the POTC Mara stories in which Grimes is aware of the Agents.

  • Awright... by Farseer Lolotea on 2009-01-10 12:39:00 UTC Link to this

    ...someone going by "Ugolino" asked for a link to a story mentioned (but left unnamed) on the "Villain Sue" entry on TVTropes. Considering the fandom and the details, that sounds like a piece called "Stand of the Exiles," which I sporked on a blog a few months ago.

    Much fanwank resulted, so I don't want to link to the damn thing directly. But here's the blog entry:
    http://community.livejournal.com/warcraftsues/69041.html

    Hope that helps.

    • Ah. by Ugolino on 2009-01-11 01:15:00 UTC Link to this

      That was me. Thanks for the link, although I don't really know enough about the 'verse to PPC it and was asking out of a)my Morbid Curiosity (TM) b)Putting a link for anyone interested in the PPC.

      • If anyone wants to adopt this bunny... by Farseer Lolotea on 2009-01-11 21:13:00 UTC Link to this

        ...feel free to. It is, however, one of the least egregious of this author's works. Behold and despair.

  • Mission Plug! by Adagio on 2009-01-10 18:52:00 UTC Link to this

    My fifth mission- and the first of Agents Key and Hawthorne- is up. A new Agent is confused, and a bad Harry Potter/Naruto crossover is Untangled.

    On the Livejournal, or if you prefer, on the website.

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