Jun 2008 Archive, part b

whut.

I am not very familiar with the DW fandom (I have only watched about half of all the New!Who eps) but that's just...wrong. It kinds reminds me of Ch- Ch-ng's D-s-r-s, only without the explicitness and...stuff. Sorry for any flashbacks this post may cause. :/

That...just...K-9...no.
Bad dog. BAD DOG!!!

Even so. Emo!Angsty!K-9? Er, no.

*laughs and just laughs*

There's nothing to do but laugh, because OH GOD. XDDD POOR K-9.

K-9? How...what...K-9?!?! ARGH! *boom*

I give permission for Janus to appear now that he's stable again.

And I would like to claim Captain Dandy or any characters with formal speaking patterns. Email me if a casting choice is made, my address is on the beta page on the wiki.

Too bad I hadn't heard about this sooner~ But as an American female, I'd be happy to voice any generic background Agents (or possibly Sues).

Over half the list of characters now have vocalists. These ones still don't. Please let me know if you're willing to do them. Agents with a * are reserved for their authors until otherwise stated.

Cray
Morgan
Denny
Colt
Rosedale
Architeuthis
The Venomous Tentacula
The Yarrow
Lucien, whom I think is Scottish (correct me if I'm wrong)
Library
Anjilly*
Brenden*
Tirsaer
Redd
Naomi
Kim*
Ansela*
Risa*

I do know that Zach and Sara (and their mini, Mr. Treehorn) come in at some point...at least, they were part of the thread. Not a massively massive part, but a decent chunk. If Sara ended up in the script I'd like to do her and whatever female part no one else wants. *shrug*

And if anyone else has claimed them, take them off them. They're my agents. My domain. Grrrrrrrrr.

I'll also be willing to do any miscellaneous agents and Stus, and any named agents and/or flowers left straggling afterwards.

Another American male here, fairly normal American accent.

Do any agents have particular accents that need to be matched up? I know we need Brit males for Archer and Sabbat, but I'm not sure about others.

If your Agents need a specific accent, let me know. Otherwise, they'll be assigned randomly.

I can offer in an Australian Voice, and go as far to turn it into the Australian Drawl that the Crocodile Dundee and Steve Irwin are known for.
I can also offer up Agent Arti, since he'd have been around during the '08 Invasion. I'm sure he would have had great fun that day with the 'Sue Death Bingo.

'Kill a Sue with a Hammer.' Check
'Kill a Sue with a Sword.' Check
'Kill a Sue with another Agent.' *Promptly grabs another Agent and beats the 'Sue over the head with him / her.*

Oh, and I can offer up the ideas of 'Sue Death Bingo' and 'Bleepolate' if you need permission for those. Don't see why you would, but it's there.

C ya!

'cause M&S are permissified. And I can do Shadow, and maybe any random female agents or Sues. My English accent is...well...crap, so forget that.

I'm not really sure how I'd go about recording my voice, although there are a couple of options that have occurred to me (such as the microphone on my brother's MP3 player). I can meander vaguely in the directions of several different accents, although if you want a particular region you're probably out of luck, and my Scottish and Pirate tend to merge into one another. I think I'd rather not be in a major role, but I may be able to do a few Random Agents and/or (possibly) 'Stus.

...but I am also an American female voice willing to do any Agents or 'Sues available, once I figure out how to record voice onto my computer. I would love to do a Flower, especially the Sub Rosa, but I know there are already a few who volunteered for that.

They appeared briefly in the OFUR bit. If Snowspine's not comfortable with using S&S, I could replace them with Naomi and Drake to some extent - modified to fit their characters, but you know what I mean.

If she is happy with it, they'll need to sound English because they're Mossflower-born.

I have no idea how to put my voice on the computer but my Dad does know, so I'll ask him to teach me so I can voice Agent Laburnum. I'm hopeless at doing different voices, so I can only really do one.

You have permission to include Bart, Canta Enquëo, Kamkenta Duval, Harlan, Iskillion, Honesah, and all Daleks including Omicron.

American female teenager here. I'll take anyone, but since you need to cross names off the list, how about Marsha, unless someone else wants to voice her?

Or, if you want to include Tia and/or Car'rok, I'll voice them.

...'cause there were two? Yeah?
Okay, moving on from the terrible title, I don't have any preferences for speaking parts. Myself, I have an American accent, can do eastern or western, and have a moderately high voice. Also can be very loud. I mean VERY. LOUD. Be happy to do 'Sues, any extra Agents, Flowers, whatever.

Could I volunteer for either the Tiger Lilly or Sub Rosa? As well as Tess and Gerry. I'm not fussed about which of these I get so you decide based on what you need me for. I'm happy for any female roles actually. I can do a decent guy voice as well and so... While I doubt I'll get him... Could I do Captain Dandy? *blushes*


So yeah. Any of those five I'm happy to voice.

...Ryni and Nara, seeing as they're the two of my agents I can voice. I can also do any female extras, if need be.

Hmm, title? "Revenge of thee Marye-Sues!!! (with Tenne Thousand Flowyrs and an Ecxiting Dance Numbere!)" ...Nope, sorry.

I can also do an American accent, if necessary, and I can do a few different Britsh ones.

My natural accent is standard American and I can do a passable British one.

Hey, where are my agents? I'd like to voice April and Lora, if they appear at all.

I'm happy to be any flower you like, especially the Sub-Rosa, or the Tiger Lilly, I'm happy to voice any agents who need voices (I'm guessing that the owners of most agents would like to voice their own characters, so I'll take whoever is left over if required!).
I can do stupid, breathy, more hair than brains, Sue voices! In a variety of accents.

as well as any Flowers that need voicing. This may not be very helpful, but I don't have any particular preference, plus I have no idea of the nationalities of most Agents so...yeah. I'll also do any random sues and Agents, and...that's it really. Sorry I can't be of more help.

Agent Sedri (Iza as well, but I think she's unconcious the whole time, isn't she? that's why she's not on the list), as well as Random Agents, Random Sues and other characters if you need - I can do a very low voice, for a woman (I sing tenor parts half the time), so I could also do Marsha, if she is who I think she is - that is, the child dinosaur.

As for a title... well, I'll throw up the easy one (in true Harry Potter stule...):

"The Protectors of the Plot Continumn and the 2008 Mary Sue Invasion"

... which is rather long. But I'm not feeling too creative right now.

Don't exactly know the fandom, but the original fic looks as though they don't either. My email's doctor mc carter AT yahoo DOT com.

could an ainur be inserted in a newly created humanoid embryo in lieu of an original soul, or is that breaking several of Erus' laws, written and non?

The singular is 'Ainu', and should really be capitalised. However, where I was going with this was Huan, who is almost certainly a Power (I forget whether it's explicitely stated or no) and yet was born like any other dog (who presumably are not). So a Maia choosing to be born is attested. However, unless you care to count Luthien, who is debatably a Power herself... no, scratch that, she almost certainly is. Look at the last page of Of Beren and Luthien:

'These were the choices that he gave to Luthien. Because of her labours and her sorrow, she should be released from Mandos, and go to Valimar, there to dwell until the world's end among the Valar, forgetting all griefs that her life had known.

'[...] This doom [ie, mortality] she chose, forsaking the Blessed Realm, and putting aside all claim to kinship with those that dwell there.'

If this were a matter of standard rebirth, there would be no reason to live in Valimar: her uncle Olwe lives down at Alqualonde, and she'd certainly be more at home there than in the Golden City. So while it could be read differently, I suspect that this passage is confirmation that (assuming Ainur cannot beget Ainur, and you will note that despite all the couples of Valar, there are no children -- in fact, children were in the original concept, but were then removed) Luthien is an Ainu who entered the world to be incarnated as our dear Tinuviel.

As with everything else, of course, this is open to interpretation.

hS

I always had the idea that the Maiar had rather human (if much sturdier) biology. That Gandalf was described as an old man and needed to eat like anyone else seems to support that. When you say incarnations I assume you mean after they reincarnate? I kinda like the "released in a trickle via dreams". Have you read TADers? It does something very like this only with elves (and one Vala).


For that matter, could an ainur be inserted in a newly created humanoid embryo in lieu of an original soul, or is that breaking several of Erus' laws, written and non?

I don't think Eru ever said anything like that, though I could be wrong, but the idea doesn't seem like something he would endorse. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding you.

But possible. It probably wouldn't be a standard mission, though; I imagine the agent(s) would get a specific debriefing from the Flower and told exactly what they could and could not do.

I don't truly know; I've heard of the whole "fic of a pre-existing fic" concept, but:
It seems to me that this kind of fanfic is not as wholly based on the true canon as its predecessor would have been.

Fanfic 1 is directly based on canon, with the author's own ideas added in. Fanfic 2 is based on the first author's ideas, before the normal canon, rather than an original idea.

Of course, if the first fic was perfect, well-written, well-thought-out, and canon-adherent, while the second fic is a disgrace to not only the fandom but to the first author's work, there would be due cause, especially if the first author is outraged.

I suppose it could work, but I would definitely acknowledge the author of the fic it's based on, as well as the author who originally created the fandom, in the disclaimer.

And I might even ask the first author's permission, because you never know; they might have let a not-as-talented friend write something based on their story, and if they discover you've gruesomely killed it they might get mad.

the original fanfic would have been using the world of an esablished canon- that's what fanfic *does*. Therefore, a fanfic of the fanfic should still be in that same world.

E.g. a really good fic set in the Tolkienverse is still IN the 'verse. So fanfic of that fic would also be set in the Tolkienverse (unless they've done something really screwy, in which case they should be cleared out anyway.)

So basically, a fic of a fic would probably be violating the original canon, not the fic canon. If they're using the same characters, it'd probably be counted as a very bad copy of the fic, not a secondary fic, and would be screwing up the Canon world. It could also be nabbed for plagarism.

I also want to host a Hong Kong PPC Gathering. Am I the only one in China at the moment?

But photos are proof you exist.

Suddenly, that scares me.

*goes off to hide*

You all are suddenly much scarier. People are scary, text written by people less so. Photos have proved you are People. Okay, I knew that... but I've been reminded. *points* Scary! Scaaaary!

*reads*

*outraged* Seven is NOT early! Five in the morning is early. Seven isn't!

...I'm kind of insane about what constitutes 'early' and what doesn't.

*sigh* Outrage over something ridiculous to be outraged about aside, I ... wish I had been able to go. *curses what she thinks of first, thus, her backpack, which has nothing to do with it* Why do I have to be the distance of the Atlantic from a lot of PPCers and the distance of a country from the rest! Meh.

However... yay! More Gathering reports! Well, report. Rejoice!

*is poked by her Politeness* Oh, yeah. Thanks be to hS for writing that. Thanks galore.

C

I was in John'O Grotes insted, getting rained on :-(

So any plans for next year?

I'm getting yelled at for laughing too loudly at the reading of 'legolas by laura'...but really, it's too damn funny.

"Well, all except the mind-numbingly long journey back to London, which got me into St. Pancras at 10 pm."

Is it bad that I read that as St. Pancreas? 'Cause that made me laugh even harder.

I really, really wish I could come to a Gathering. That would most likely make my life. XD

We need to have a US gathering. Preferably on the East coast somewhere.

Wow, that looked really epic. I must try to rabble up a gathering for us troublemakers over here in the US. We'll terrorize Washington DC!

Much thanks for making yet another fantastic report! Looks like you guys had great fun.

I love these reports. Vicarious living and all that.

It's too bad W_Monk, Cedar Copse and I never got around to writing up the Chicago report. And that WalMart lost me my photos. We went time-traveling and got harassed by Security Plants. And I'm pretty sure we all sang the Mary-Sue song together on the steps of the Natural History Museum.

... I don't suppose anyone is within a train ride of Philadelphia...?

~Neshomeh, here through July.

And the rest of the weapons. xD

Nice report, hS. I enjoyed it. I'm terribly jealous, of course, but I enjoyed it. Cheers!

...to say that I've seen worse? The recent flood of the C.S. Lewis section has many, many, many.... *sighs*

Somebody is going to have fun with this one:

After a while the travelers came to a river with a quaint little damn built on it.

Emphasis mine. Enjoy, folks!

~Neshomeh, snickering incessantly.

the Departments of Angst and Bad Slash and Division of Bad Het salute you :)

(I'm cheering for the badfic being dead, of course, not poor Dafydd.)

It's done! It's DEAD! Huzzah!

And you'd better not take another two and a half years to tell us what happened.

*rings bells*

*applauds*

Congratulations!

*grins* I love the Fëanor/Silmarillion references.

And has there, since, been a new division formed for analyzing Suvian devices to prevent another accident like that?

That was amazing. Most brilliant job. The ending was...well, frankly quite epic. It made me scared for a moment there before I ran to check with the wiki. Very nicely done, and I congratulate you on the completion of this gargantuan enterprise.

Whoa. Big words...

'Tis a far, far, better thing he did. Happy retirement, Daffyd!

Eulalia, excelsior, hallelujah, huzzah! She's finally gone! *hands out mysteriously appearing booze*

Did Dafydd... just... die?

Ah, *sigh* - I just checked the wiki. I haven't read much of Dafydd before, but I REALLY did NOT want him to die.

Congratsi, hS. That was really, really good.

Unfortunately, since my school intranet has blocked Freewebs, I have to wait until I get home from school. But it's DONE. Like, actually DONE. Apologies for capslock, but it's like HFA II has updated - something I've been waiting for for a long time, while slowly dying of suspense. Well, for about six months, anyway. I'll comment again when I've read it. St00pid school computers... *wanders off muttering about what she'd do if she had access to the server*

*Apologies for any incoherency in this post. It's just it's my birthday in like six days and I'm excited about that as well, and now you've updated this, it's just...squee! 'Kay, done.*

*revives and goes to read*

That ending was brilliant, if you don't mind the pun. But now I'm antsy 'cause I wanna know what happened...gah! So so so so evil! And the bit with the ring...not surprising, recalling that essay, but still...

There are no words.

You are an evil, evil man.

The thing DIES!

*faints*

Right, now I'm off to read it... I'll post again with lots of compliments later...

I must admit that I was never brave enough to read the original fic itself. You must have minds of adamantium. New recruits, we can always use those - and the outrrrrrrrrageous French orc was much-needed hilarity.

Eep! The ending!

It's finally done? C*l*br**n's dead? *dies of shock* Hooray! And congratulations!

O'course, that was a particularly evil way of ending it. But we all kind of knew it was coming, so yeah.

Sorry... it's exciting! Now, I'm going to fortify myself with chocolate and read it.

~Neshomeh