http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPVWy1tFXuc
Is it time now to watch the movie?
How about now?
~AW~
...Now?
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New Hobbit Trailer by
on 2013-10-01 17:30:00 UTC
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The results of a recent stroll through the Pit. by
on 2013-10-01 22:23:00 UTC
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http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9684311/1/Metal-Gear-Spirit
It's the usual "real-world OC gets sucked into the world of the game" plot. This particular one isn't the worst badfic I've ever read by any means, but we've still got charges like improbable names, the OC not actually contributing anything to the plot of the game, long stretches of text copied directly from the game, the SPaG needing some work... So yeah. -
Look what I found in the Circle. by
on 2013-10-04 06:34:00 UTC
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Oh gods, I nearly got blinded by a particular fic that wouldn't stop coloring its dialogue in Suvian colours. In case you were wondering, this one isn't the colorful fic though. Maybe just as bad. Here it is: http://www.quotev.com/story/2552674/How-to-Thank-You-A-Lord-of-the-Rings-Love-Story
Ugh. How I hate bad Legomances.
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The summary, it *hurts*. by
on 2013-10-04 16:25:00 UTC
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Owowowowowowowowowow...
Haven't read very far, but..."My mother, Lady Celebrain..."
Her mother is a mini-Balrog. Who apparently dies of a fever rather than sailing to Valinor due to injuries by Orcs. Yeesh. And I'm fairly sure Arwen was older than twelve when all of that happened--100 and something springs to mind.
...Dialogue. No. Get it away from me, that's horrible! Elves don't talk like that! At all! Also, she should be Gloriel, if I'm not much mistaken--who gives out Quenya names in the Third Age? Very few people, and certainly not Lord Elrond. Maybe the Gondorians, they have a tendency to mix Quenya and Sindarin, but Elrond--Elrond's *parents*, even--were born in a time when Quenya was no longer widely spoken. (Do you see Glorfindel's name starting with 'Laur' and looking something like Laurefindele ((missing accents))? No. No, you don't.) I mean, there's a basis for Elrond having heard it as a child, but...the fact remains that it's highly unlikely for him to give out Quenya names to his children...seeing as how he didn't give them to his other children (unless I'm missing something?).
Speaking of which, are the El-twins in this? Are they even in this? They certainly don't seem to be so far...
Oh, and, Suethor, dear? Ten-year-old Elves are infants. Toddlers, at best. Good grief, what is this? It's like fifteen-year-old Legolasa all over again. Why don't people do their research properly?
Oh, and...why exactly is Elrond not telling his very young daughter that 'Celebrain' dying means that they won't see her again until they themselves sail into the West and meet her, reembodied, on the shores of Valinor? That's what death means for Elves, y'see. They go hang out in the Halls of Mandos for a bit (or for a lot, if they're Feanorian) and then they get reborn. Why Elrond isn't using this to comfort dear Lauriel I have no idea.
...Elves don't have "golden blond hair", especially not female Elves. They would have golden blonde hair, if Elves had that, but they don't, so they don't.
I'm sorry, RandomlyatRivendell!Legolas looks to be little miss Lauriel's age, and he's shooting a bow?? That's it, I'm reading a movieverse fic about elven toddlers. This is stupid. I think I may claim this, if it gets any worse.
Yeah, it just got worse. She lives near the Bruinen and doesn't know how to swim, and she thinks her mother's in heaven. Wonderful. Also, her name can't be Undomiel, that's *Arwen's* name! And only Arwen's! Does Lauriel look like Luthien? No, I don't think so! For one thing, Luthien's hair was dark! Argh.
You don't have the boy's name? Well, I know who he is, and I am at a complete loss as to what he's doing near Rivendell.
...yes, remind me to take this one and give it to...someone. Not sure who. But an agent or several who will get a kick out of the wording and the badly written details.
I wonder how old she is in chapter one as opposed to the prologue...I'm guessing she's in her teens, her twenties, or possibly in her thousands--you never know with Elf-Sues.
I shall add this to Claimed Badfic, I think, unless someone else really has their heart set on taking it (in which case, let me know).
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*Pulls out eye drops* by
on 2013-10-04 07:31:00 UTC
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Great Scott, what's up with the font that this story is using? It's seriously too painful to read...
Quotev isn't the first place I look for badfic, but every now and then I find one that might be suitable for an Intel run. It's quite fascinating really: some of them do have potential. For example, in the sci-fi RPG Mass Effect, it's very common for players to base their avatar, Commander Shepard, on themselves. I spotted a fanfic which had the player somehow drop into the game's universe and meet their Shepard face-to-face.
I was intrigued, but was ultimately disappointed when all the main character did was to be very immature and hostile towards characters which she didn't like. When one of the aforementioned not-liked characters voiced his suspicions on the intentions of the dimensionally displaced Suvian, he was judo-thrown over the Sue's shoulders (despite being a trained soldier with gene therapy) and threatened with a knife.
In response to having a comrade threatened with death, the rest of the soldiers in the room went: "Hey, that's pretty badass. Wanna hang?"
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Bah! by
on 2013-10-04 06:47:00 UTC
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And this one! This one's awful: http://www.quotev.com/story/3790812/Angelic-Legolas-love-story
A quote from the story: "'I am a Numenorean Angel. Our homeland destroyed by Morgoth and his second in command Sauron. I would do anything to destroy Sauron...I would sacrifice myself even.' ~Elenia, Half Elf, Half Angel."
Dear Valar...
~Autumn -
T'ch by
on 2013-10-04 15:08:00 UTC
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Classic LotR Sue, it seems. This is so cliché it's actually funny in a bad way.
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I brought this up on irc, one time. by
on 2013-10-03 01:07:00 UTC
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http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8543577/1/If-This-Be-Godhood
I expected something more than a copy-paste of Persona 4 with Light, who didn't affect the plot's course.
There's also this awful "style" in which he refuses to use the enter key after the next person speaks.
Basically: "Blah blah blah," said A. "Blarghafslfkgn," said B.
Except with more lines of dialogue.
He continues with this style when writing the sequels, I Reject It (Death Note with Persona 4 characters), and with Rise of the Attorney (Phoenix Wright with Persona 4 and Death Note characters), which I'd like to note about the former is that it has a Light Yagami clone as the villain.
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More stuff! by
on 2013-10-02 05:19:00 UTC
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Three more Metal Gear badfics. First-
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9375252/1/Metal-Gear-Rising-The-Wolf-amoung-Lambs
Right off the bat, the fic gives us a pocket-sized Metal Gear, which is apparently supposed to burrow into the resident Sue's stomach and kill her from the inside or something. What.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8592785/1/Metal-Gear-Son-of-Snake
Yup. This is apparently a thing. Also, the guy's codename is "Fox Snake". That was the point where I gave up reading. (also, this is apparently the only fic of the four that I found that's actually finished? Huh.)
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9618603/1/Metal-Gear-Solid-6-Rise-of-Sentinel
There's only one chapter of this one so far, but it still looks pretty bad. For one thing, the author can't even keep the title consistent- inside the fic itself, it's called "Metal Gear Vapor". Whoopsie. -
Speaking of bad fanfiction... by
on 2013-10-02 03:09:00 UTC
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http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8306591/1/From-another-world
That is a Mass Effect fanfic (I know!), and holy Christ is it terrible. Aside from the fact that it is blatantly plagiarized from another ME fanfic (that wasn't even good to begin with, BTW), but this fic... This seriously has to be one of the most sexist fanfics I've ever read. Yeah, just about every female character is written as if they're horny teenagers, and all they really do throughout the fic is to fawn over the main character and not much else. And then, you know, there's the fact that the author is very impersonal and refuses to listen to criticism, and on the rare times he does he is still content to make excuses for himself. On top of that, the plot is completely stupid, to the point that it makes the fic it ripped off look better in comparison.
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Isn't it being MSTed at the Library? It looks familiar... (nm) by
on 2013-10-02 12:17:00 UTC
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It is. by
on 2013-10-02 13:01:00 UTC
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Ert's MSTing it over there, and indeed I MST'd the fic that this fic blatantly steals from. But I think that with this fic, it can't be snarked at enough, trust me.
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Fair enough. by
on 2013-10-02 15:06:00 UTC
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I've unfortunately known fics like that. Even more unfortunately, I know published books like that (Twilight springs to mind--I've read at least five different people's reactions and analyses to it, and I'm not bored yet. My brain's probably melting, though.)
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An update by
on 2013-10-02 02:05:00 UTC
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The fandom is Star Trek: Voyager. Here's the first chapter for those who've never seen it: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7089561/1/THE-NEW-GIRL-on-Voyager
Here's the latest update: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7089561/20/THE-NEW-GIRL-on-Voyager -
At least it was only a little one (eyes the IO suspiciously) by
on 2013-10-02 09:15:00 UTC
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'Roosting marsh mellows' - bahahahahaha! Enough said.
Oh, and Hermione, is there any more OFAS coming soon? Just wondering, because I really enjoy reading it. :) -
^Seconding the OFAS comment. (nm) by
on 2013-10-02 12:16:00 UTC
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^Thirding. (nm) by
on 2013-10-02 15:15:00 UTC
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That reminds me... by
on 2013-10-01 22:44:00 UTC
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I've found a bunch of Harry Potter badfics in the pit recently. I'll post the links when I find them again.
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An Observation by
on 2013-10-02 04:05:00 UTC
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I was trawling through the wiki just now, and I came across an article called Sue Latin Names that looks to be incomplete. (Well, it has a "To be continued..." at the end, so...) It also sort of reads/feels like an early draft.
I am incapable of doing anything to it/about it, considering that the majority of the text is from a discussion on the Board before I came around, but I thought I'd point it out in case someone wants to look.
Here's a link: http://ppc.wikia.com/wiki/Sue_Latin_Names
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SCIENCE!!!! by
on 2013-10-03 00:05:00 UTC
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Interesting stuff. Not sure why it's on the wiki and not the board, but this discussion is something we absolutely must have.
Although I'm not a biologist by discipline and have no formal training in the area, I have managed to pick up some knowledge through trying to design aliens, dragons, etc.
The biggest problem with a Suvian classification tree is that in World One biology, organisms descend in a treelike manner from common anscestors. The products of bad writing don't. However, biology can handle convergent and parallel evolution with little trouble, so the resulting duplication of traits across artificially-imposed tree boundaries isn't a big problem. Despite the enherent problems with forcing a tree-like classification onto something that's not tree-like, I think we should still make an effort to clump Sues by shared or similar traits. The more broad the similarity and the more variation is observed within the group, the higher up the tree it should go.
I would start by seperating Sues into two kingdoms (or perhaps a new, higher designation): wraiths and physical Sues. I'll look at the Wraiths at some other point (focusing on Sues now), but it seems obvious that given the massive physical differences between the two, they should be very far apart on the tree.
Sues I'm thinking of seperating at the next-highest level into "active" and "passive": roughly, Stus and Sues. However, I'd like for this not to be based on biological sex, as that is in and of itself relatively superficial. Amazon Sues will fall into the "active" camp (assuming they are actually competant, otheriwse they are an offshoot of passives), while wimpy Stus (such as Archir the Ring Child) will fall into the "passive".
I feel like this needs a flowchart.
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Charting... by
on 2013-10-03 00:58:00 UTC
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Ok. I'm proceeding in a roughly depth-first method through this tree, ignoring those sections that are more difficult to classify with the idea that working on the easier ones will give me more insight that can be later reapplied.
Tree can be found here:
Primary reason for considering a seperate category for character replacmenets is to make the tree look a bit less binary, and that they are often physically different from Wraiths or corporial Sues. However, since character replacements can do MANY different things, it might be better treated as something like camouflage, evolved independantly so many times that it is useless as a classifier.
Decided to group the passive Sues by thing they are intended to elicit. These roughly correspond to the suetypes from TVTropes:
purity sues (including literal goddesses, druids, etc.),
relationship sues (a subset will be porno-sues whose only involvement is to give or recieve sexual gratification),
popular-girl sues,
villain sues (those not actually badass enough to fit into the active category, which seems to be all of them?),
sues that primarily elicit pity or receive hurt/comfort (providers of comfort are a purity subset),
and sues whose primary purpose just seems to be showy and pretty (maybe merge with "decorative"?);
I've also branched off at this point:
sues that exist to convey an ideological message,
"false badass" warrior sues,
anti-/suetiful-all-along sues,
and probably a catch-all "other" category.
Not sure if trans-dimensional hoppers and snatchers are broad enough in function to merit their own categories, of if enough of them fit into the relationship category to justify making them a subset.
Considering adding a third "peripheral" category in addition to active and passive, for Sues that don't directly exist to represent or act as a vehicle for the author: love interests, villain sues where another sue is clearly the authorial focus, deus-ex-machina "cavalry", etc. Could make these another type, but they can be either active or passive in roughly equal number.
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I'm back! by
on 2013-10-02 06:23:00 UTC
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Hello guys, it's so good to back on Board. Some of you may still remember me, some of you might not. In any case, I'm just going to introduce myself again.
I'm Autumn_68, preferred to be known as Autumn, and I originally joined somewhere around early August. I spent two lovely weeks on the Board, welcoming newbies, participating in discussions, etc. And then I had to take national exams, so I left the Board for about two months.
I'm a shy, Asian pre-teen (11 years old, to be precise) that well...kindaliedaboutmyagelasttimeIwashere. *flushes* I'm so sorry, I really am. I told all of you that I'm 13 when I haven't even hit 12 yet. I feel so bad about myself now. I *do* apologise, I was such a jerk then, sorry, I'm really sorry...sorry.
Again, I apologise if I speak broken English sometimes, because I'm not so much of a native English speaker. (I speak Chinese with my family and South-East-Asian-nised English with the rest of the people.)
My fandoms are The Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Pirates of the Caribbean, The Hunger Games and Percy Jackson and The Olympians. I have limited knowledge on Wheel of Time and The Matrix, and I plan to start on Discworld when I finally find it in the library. (Argh)
I can Circle-Dive without as much trouble because I basically hang out with this bunch of nice fangirls that *wouldn't* pick up a high fantasy book however I insist. The only time they got interested was when I started carrying The Silm around and they were fascinated with the book cover. (They thought the drawing was frosted glass.) So, they make me go to the Circle to read so-called-goodfics. So I'm basically used to that place now, and I can Circle-Dive anytime I want provided I take with me a kitchen knife and a pair of sunglasses. I think.
If I haven't drown you in brackets and nonsense, thank you. I really, really appreciate that you put up with me.
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Greetings and bienvenue! by
on 2013-10-03 15:17:00 UTC
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I see you have a time-displaced version of yourself just a little bit up the Board. To prevent any potential paradoxes, I present you... with a time-compression remote!
This should either merge the two of you into one being, or split the separated portion off as another individual. I'm not sure which button does which. There aren't many buttons, but only one of them is labeled, and since it says "On/Off", I'm sort of afraid to press it. -
*gasps* Thank you! by
on 2013-10-04 04:03:00 UTC
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This is so cool. Hmm...should I use it now? *reaches for the 'on' button* Actually, no, I shouldn't. Too dangerous, too dangerous... Thank you anyway!
~Autumn -
Welcome Back! by
on 2013-10-02 15:05:00 UTC
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Since you're a returnbie, I don't need to point you toward the Holy Trinity that is the Constitution, TOS and the Wiki. I'll just give you... -rummages through his pockets- this mysterious piece of paper with a bird's drawing on it.
PS: Your English is better than that of some people I've met in the army. -
Ooh...nice! by
on 2013-10-03 08:34:00 UTC
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Thanks! You're in the army? That's interesting!
~Autumn -
Here's some chainsaw and matches. In case you need to camp. by
on 2013-10-02 08:38:00 UTC
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How's the exam? All th best for your score. Any good Silm-fics there? I did found a few, too bad I didn't bookmark it.
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Thank you! by
on 2013-10-03 11:41:00 UTC
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The exam went quite well. Now I have two months of so much freedom I'd get bored. As for the Silm-fics...I only know the Legendary Good-fics as well as some abandoned works. Oh yes, and hS's Silm movie scripts. If you haven't heard of it and wish to read it, here's the link: http://silmfilm.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=words&action=display&thread=118
Hope you enjoy it!
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I'll have a read. Thanks. (nm) by
on 2013-10-03 19:15:00 UTC
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I'm back! by
on 2013-10-02 06:23:00 UTC
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Hello guys, it's so good to back on Board. Some of you may still remember me, some of you might not. In any case, I'm just going to introduce myself again.
I'm Autumn_68, preferred to be known as Autumn, and I originally joined somewhere around early August. I spent two lovely weeks on the Board, welcoming newbies, participating in discussions, etc. And then I had to take national exams, so I left the Board for about two months.
I'm a shy, Asian pre-teen (11 years old, to be precise) that well...kindaliedaboutmyagelasttimeIwashere. *flushes* I'm so sorry, I really am. I told all of you that I'm 13 when I haven't even hit 12 yet. I feel so bad about myself now. I *do* apologise, I was such a jerk then, sorry, I'm really sorry...sorry.
Again, I apologise if I speak broken English sometimes, because I'm not so much of a native English speaker. (I speak Chinese with my family and South-East-Asian-nised English with the rest of the people.)
My fandoms are The Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Pirates of the Caribbean, The Hunger Games and Percy Jackson and The Olympians. I have limited knowledge on Wheel of Time and The Matrix, and I plan to start on Discworld when I finally find it in the library. (Argh)
I can Circle-Dive without as much trouble because I basically hang out with this bunch of nice fangirls that *wouldn't* pick up a high fantasy book however I insist. The only time they got interested was when I started carrying The Silm around and they were fascinated with the book cover. (They thought the drawing was frosted glass.) So, they make me go to the Circle to read so-called-goodfics. So I'm basically used to that place now, and I can Circle-Dive anytime I want provided I take with me a kitchen knife and a pair of sunglasses. I think.
If I haven't drowned you in brackets and nonsense, thank you. I really, really appreciate that you put up with me.
~Autumn -
Hello again! by
on 2013-10-03 02:34:00 UTC
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Greetings and re-welcomes to you!
You are a very cool 11-year-old (I'm fourteen), you were/are not a jerk, and you speak wonderful English.
>there, now that that's out of the way
And the Silm is awesome and my favorite book. I was Lúthien for Halloween last year, although it didn't work out, 'cause I don't have black hair, the wig wouldn't stay on, and no-one seemed to have read the book in the first place. *grumbles*
Well, welcome back and have a wilver top hat!
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Thanks! by
on 2013-10-03 07:11:00 UTC
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I guess you could be Radagast with suspiciously female traits...I'm not sure. If there was a Silm character with brown hair, then I forgot him/her. Proves that I have bad memory and I seriously need to refresh it.
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Is Haleth's hair color mentioned? I can't remember. (nm) by
on 2013-10-03 08:13:00 UTC
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Well, we can surely work it out. by
on 2013-10-03 13:25:00 UTC
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We know, of course, that hair colour in Tolkien tends to be the same across an entire people - so all Noldor have black hair, all Rohirrim are blond, etc. The exceptions are for specific families - Nerdanel's kin featured red hair, apparently uniquely.
We also know that, of the three houses of the Edain (Hador, Haleth, Beor), Hador was called 'the golden'. So they were mostly blonde.
Hurin and Huor were a mix of Hador (from their father Galdor) and Haleth (from their mother Hareth). They married daughters of House Beor, one of whom was Morwen, noted for her black hair - which both implies that Beor was generally dark (otherwise that's genetically impossible), but also that they didn't tend towards jet black (since that would be unremarkable, but hers is commented on). So we can assume House Beor was brown-haired.
Beren, interestingly, had fair hair, but where he pulled it from I'm not quite sure. His parents appear to have both been pure Beor.
But anyway, we're down to Turin and Tuor. Tuor was taken for a Noldo several times, which implies he had dark or black hair. Turin I don't know, but I really can't imagine him being blonde. Which... well. We know one half of their heritage was Beor (dark). We know one quarter was Hador (blond).
But wait, we can go further: Nienor and Lalaith. While I don't actually know, I'm moderately sure Nienor was dark-haired (otherwise she would have been more visible at the various points where she's hiding from people. Lalaith... well, the book might actually say, I can't remember.
Unfortunately at this point we run foul of genetics: blonde hair, at least in our world, is recessive. We don't know where Beren's blondness came from - probably a Hador marriage a little way back - so we can't even guess whether the gene would be available to the Hurin/Huor families.
Ultimately, we come back to one statement: House Hador were specifically 'the golden-haired'. That strongly implies the other houses weren't. So Haleth, probably, had dark hair. Black or brown, we can't tell.
hS
PS: The best way to work this out would be to pull out a copy of The Children of Hurin. The woodsmen of Brethil are the last remnants of the House of Haleth - if you can find a hair-colour reference anywhere in there, it could help pin it down. My copy, alas, is all boxed up. ~hS -
Wow, thank you by
on 2013-10-04 04:48:00 UTC
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That was impressive. And I shall indeed be Haleth, I think. She's awesome.
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Oops. by
on 2013-10-04 04:17:00 UTC
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I returned The Children of Húrin to the library two days ago. But, oh, I guess you're right in that 'Haleth had dark hair' theory. From the information I could gather from the Silm, Haleth most likely had dark hair.
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I have it now. by
on 2013-10-08 19:27:00 UTC
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Children of Hurin, I mean. Running down the various Edain I can find on a quick pass:
Hador (blond) has various descendants, eventually coming down to Hurin and Huor. Hurin married Morwen (dark), and they had Urwen Lalaith (blonde), Turin (dark like his mother), and Nienor Niniel (blonde - her golden hair is revealed when Morwen leaves Doriath in search of Turin - bizarrely, her hair turns dark when she runs from Glaurung, and yes, this is discussed later). The whole people of Hador are nicknamed the Strawheads by Brodda the Easterling, implying the majority of them are blond (and not just the ruling house).
In Brethil, among the remnant of the people of Haleth, we meet their lord Brandir, Dorlas, and Hunthor. Hunthor is once described as 'a dark form' (and mistaken for Dorlas), so that may indicate dark hair - but on the other hand, they're in shadow at the time. That's... all we have on the House of Haleth. Still, the evidence strongly suggests they were dark-haired.
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hS, you are amazing. by
on 2013-10-09 05:38:00 UTC
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Did I ever mention that? I do believe I shall attempt to dress up as Haleth. Now to go look at fanart...
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Haleth is one of those people... by
on 2013-10-09 10:43:00 UTC
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... who Tolkien gave us very little about, which (as is usual in the case of minor Silm characters) means I get most of my impression of her from Philosopher at Large's Leithian Script. Haleth actually gets mentioned twice, the first time in Nargothrond:
Finrod: [musing]
--Haleth was like that. Wonderful child, but one had to be careful not to agree with her too closely, or she'd take it all wrong.
Beren:
I'm not that bad. I don't think. --Hey! You knew Haleth? As in the Haleth? Lady Haleth of Brethil?
Finrod:
Yes, she was having a run-in with Elwe, as it happens. Or Elu, as he calls himself now. Life's funny like that.
Beren:
It makes a little more sense if he's like the rest of the crew, but I never understood why she wouldn't take up Lord Caranthir's offer of shelter.
Finrod: [drily]
Obviously you've never met Caranthir.
Beren:
? . . . ?
Finrod:
--Let me put it this way: I don't cross him. --Ever. No, that wasn't the incident I was referring to. Why? Because Haleth was an intelligent and perceptive young woman and was not fooled by Caranthir's charming ways and words. Ever wonder why they showed up a week late, after the lord of the land was killed, and the heir, when they were practically in his backyard? Caranthir knew them for efficient fighters, and wanted them grateful, and leaderless. And he has not, so far as I can tell, the slightest compunction about using mortal Men as a screen for his more -- valued, shall we say -- troops. --I don't know that for a fact, of course. That's just my reading of the events. And the way he spits when he hears her name. No, I was referring to the -- tenor, of her exchanges with Elu over that unused property of his. It was a rather, er, heated crossfire to be caught in. A little tact might have made a great difference.
She's also discussed midway through Act IV (which takes place in the Halls of Mandos, with a whole bunch of dead people...)
Fingolfin:
Or -- what was her name, that young mortal woman who caused so much fuss not too long ago?
[the other Belerianders stare at him]
[simultaneously (overlapping)]
Everyone from Middle-earth, native or returned:
-- Haleth!!
[there is an embarrassed moment as everyone sort of recollects themselves]
Fingolfin: [defensive]
You must grant, I never met the lady.
Aegnor: [sarcastic aside]
There's a surprise --
Angrod:
Neither did I -- but we still heard about her enough to remember her name, uncle! It wasn't as though there weren't relatives of hers straggling through the realm for the better part of a decade.
Aegnor: [faint amusement]
It was almost like the first years here, where you never knew when you were going to walk into a settlement of strangers giving you funny looks and speaking a language nearly but not quite comprehensible. It was rather hard not to cross Nargothrond and hear the name "Haleth" in the process --
Angrod: [interrupting]
-- But he didn't, don't you recall?
[the Princes shake their heads in too-obvious pity, to their uncle's chagrin]
Luthien:
Yes, annexing part of the kingdom and then telling Mablung off for trespassing --
[to the Valinorean Eldar, living and otherwise]
-- well, you don't know our Captains, so that doesn't mean much to you, but people listen to them, most of the time -- when he came to try to evict them, does sort of stick in people's memory.
Finrod:
Not to mention dragging half-a-thousand unwilling kinsmen through a vale full of giant spiders and other assorted monstrosities, and her with no natural abilities whatsoever to help her defend them, and most of them increasingly convinced she was insane for not staying in a land already cultivated and partially settled, because there was too much "open" to the northward. Or commanding a successful defense against the Enemy's minions, when everyone else was on the verge of giving up and dying before rescue arrived -- which was partly the reason they didn't kick her out as chief after the business with the Old Road and the mutant beasts. "The spiders were a mistake," she told me, "I thought they were bogles out of tales to frighten bad children -- or Men who might think of going too close to the Shadowking's woods otherwise."
[shaking his head]
The way they talked about her, you couldn't tell if they thought she was brilliant, mad, or both -- and that they weren't sure either. But not being around her wasn't an option, any more than for moths about a lit candle.
And from the notes to the first scene:
Caranthir: perhaps I read too much ancient history and political intrigue, but I can't escape the conclusion that for some reason, the Haladin found their rescuer even more scary, and the thought of his active involvement in their lives a worse prospect, than Orcs. One doesn't become refugees for no good reason, particularly just after having fought a hard war. Add that to the chroniclers' asides as to Caranthir's insolence, arrogance, hideous temper, and later actions — and it adds up, for me, to a picture of someone charismatic, dynamic, charming, and violent, whom you don't ever, ever want to tangle with if you have any sense… He is after all a Son of Feanor too.
Haleth: It's been at least three generations since the legendary Chieftain of the Haladin led her people to a new homeland in the western forests, and for most of us, fifty years ago is — a long time. A hundred years ago is a long time. A hundred-fifty years ago is a long time…two hundred a really long time… Intellectually we may even know that, realize that compared to say "geological time", it's nothing, but on a basic personal level — it's all "a long time ago." Even for those of us who really know history and study family lore, there's a certain cognitive dissonance involved in keeping the relative scale present. I do think that this would be the case for Beren, who never even had the opportunity to achieve the level of accustomed familiarity that his older relatives had with Elvenkind in the Leaguer — and that it would trouble Finrod, divided as in Canon between loyalty and prudential considerations.
Yeah... Lady Haleth's pretty cool.
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Like I said, amazing. (nm) by
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You were Luthien? by
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Aila, if I gave out 'cool' points, you would have just gotten a ton of them. As it is--here, have this convenient basket full of cookies :)
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Well, more like I tried to bee Lúthien. And failed. by
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But thanks for the cookies!
...I'm sort of wondering who I'm going to pick from the Silm to be this year, hopefully the seemingly non-existent brown-haired female. Any suggestions?
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That typo gave me an incredibly amusing mental image. by
on 2013-10-03 06:35:00 UTC
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A large hive the size of a city block (from the perspective of its inhabitants, at any rate), with tiny Elves dressed in yellow-and-black striped clothing running around it and throughout its catacombs and speaking to each other in high-pitched buzzing noises.
But then everything changed when Beekeeper Ungoliant emerges from the horizon. Draped in the imposing hazmat suit traditional to beekeepers everywhere, a necessary barrier from the stinger-arrows of the elves, she cracks open the hive to retrieve the Elves' hard-wrought Varda Light within. Once she has had all she can carry, she takes it back to her house and stores it in whimsical tree-shaped containers to sell at the local farmers' market.
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And, of course, she sells them all to Modern Artist Morgoth--no, he'd be Melkor at this point. They're very good friends. However, there's a bit more of the Varda Light, and since it's in such high demand, Melkor (being curious) comes with Beekeeper Ungoliant to get it. Unfortunately, the Elves are guarding it fiercely...and Melkor, discovering a previously unknown fear of Elves, swats Finwe and crushes him under his boot. The Beekeeper and the Artist (oh no, more Time Lord names, help) leave with the Varda Light, and Feanor the Elf swears vengeance on the one he now renames Morgoth...because Melkor is now an enemy, and he was wearing black at the time and cast a giant shadow besides. Feanor's seven sons take up the call as well, and they and their followers set off on a dangerous quest to regain the previous Varda Light...
Funnily enough, I guess this is what happens when I check the Board at 1 pm.
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*laughter* Brilliant again. (nm) by
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Thanks :) Glad you enjoyed :D (nm) by
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Yes. Just yes. by
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That's hilarious and brilliant. Beekeeper!Ungoliant is inspirational.
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Wow! by
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That's really interesting. Now I wonder what the Ainulindalë would look like in bee-version. Probably a bunch of gigantic bees buzzing before an even more gigantic queen bee sitting on a beeswax-throne. :)
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Hey, really, don't worry about it. by
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...I feel vaguely like I'm starting to become an oldbie. I think I'm just getting to the point where I'm more comfortable than 'I'mnotjustaPPCfangirlIpromise', that may be it...anyway.
Like Kitty said, you're a pretty cool 11 year old :) And we're glad to have you. I share all of your fandoms except for Wheel of Time, and you'll probably love Discworld (or possibly not. Not everyone does. I do, though, and a lot of PPC stories are kind of similar, so if you like those...you may well like Discworld).
Hope your exams went well! Also, here, have some extra-fine Swiss Bleepolate for the Circle-Diving: you'll need it. It's an essential part of visiting the Circle (along with Lemming Repellent...) Also, Gummyblee Pirate Hats (a la Captain Jack Sparrow). May as well. Circle-Divers need all the Bleeproducts available, trust me...I've found out from experience.
You appreciate us putting up with you? Well, we appreciate you putting up with us :) And, y'know, being here. Everyone adds to the community, you know, and I have yet to see your contribution being a bad one. And now I'll stop being somewhat sappy and comment on the Silm (isn't it amazing? A little hard to get through, maybe, but, well, it's got some great stories in it. Did you get through it? Which story/character was your favorite?)
Out of curiosity, which fandoms do your bunch of nice fangirls write for? And, um, how bad are their "so-called goodfics", as you put it?
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Thank you for your advice! by
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I just bought The Colour of Magic yesterday, and so far it has been awesome. Oh yes, thank you for your gifts; I'll make sure to bring them next time I go Circle-Diving.
My favourite story from the Silm? Hmm...I like Of Túrin Turumbar (I've read the Children of Húrin) best, and then Of Beren and Lúthien comes second. The Darkening of Valinor is also very nice. My favourite character(s)? I guess it's Maglor, Túrin and Eärendil for male characters and Morwen and Melian for female ones.
I'll list the fandoms of my friends here: Percy Jackson and the Olympians, Taylor Swift, One Direction, Mortal Instruments, Taylor Swift, One Direction, Harry Potter, and lastly, Taylor Swift and One Direction! In addition, one of them is a fan of Twilight and another likes The Inheritance Cycle. (Darn) Many of them have crushes on Niall Horan and one of them (my best friend) is actually convinced that she is in love with Harry Styles.
As for their fanfiction, none of them except for my best friend has actually published fanfiction yet but they have shown me their stories. As far as I am concerned, those are actually 'Sue-fics. I have to wrench my features into a smile instead of a disgusted, horrified expression I'm always tempted to make while reading those stories. *shudders* Occasionally, I do explain to them what a 'Sue is but they'll just look at me with this confused expression and carry on making 'Sue-fics. And then there's tolerating squeals, glomps, sobbing (of how they'll never marry Mr. Styles/Horan/Payne/Tomlinson/Malik), and of course, shrieks of how who-and-who "are, like, sooooo hott. Especially him, he's soooooo cute!"
Ah well. But they're still good friends that are worth it, so tolerating a little doesn't hurt! That is, if they don't damage my brain cells.
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Shoot. by
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I just realized I've spawned a Mini-Balrog. Oh gods, first time into posting messages here since August and already a Mini in tow? Hmm...what am I supposed to do with Turumbar here anyway?
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Nice to see you again! by
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Hey it's alright. I'm pretty young myself (14!)
It's alright, you weren't being a jerk. It's hard being young when you're surrounded by others who are in college and maybe even college graduates. For an pre-teen, you're pretty cool. Most of the 11 year olds I know don't even know what fanfiction is!
Another Circle Diver? What kind of badfic do you find? I look for Sherlock ones.
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I search mainly for Harry Potter, Percy Jackson, The Lord of the Rings and The Hunger Games ones. Those are the more popular ones with teens and their fandoms are, therefore, often swamped with fangirls. For Percy Jackson, Harry Potter and The Hunger Games, I have to abandon my sunglasses for a pair of tempered goggles. Very, very, occasionally a hazmat suit. And then I'll have to bring out every sharp object I can find. You can never know.
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...you're making me feel old. by
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And I'm not that old.
Oh well. Uni is great, everything else is great, let's leave it at that!
(Oh, hey, look, we're all Circle-Divers! Me, I tend to look in pretty much any fandom I know or am in that isn't RPF, since the PPC doesn't take those on...it can be very, uh, frustrating. Or unintentionally hilarious, such as the Hunger Games one I found recently that sidelined Katniss and Primrose Everdine. The Star Trek AOS one I was looking at earlier today wasn't remotely as fun, though--Jim's twin sister who stole Uhura's place and sent her off to die and didn't mourn her and stole Jim's lines and fell in love with Spock and randomly brought Uhura back out of nowhere with no explanation so that she could deliver one line (that could have gone to Jim...)...yeah, that wasn't so fun. It's fun to rant about, though...)
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You feel old? by
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If you feel old, then people like hS and I who are done with this school business should be feeling ancient!
Fortunately, I don't.
As for Autumn, welcome back! Being that I don't remember every detail of every last newbie, allow me to ask: Do you have Permission? If so, then maybe a few sporkings are in order. I believe that I can count on one hand how many Lemmings fics the PPC has dealt with! That is a problem that needs to be rectified. -
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He should be feeling ancient because when he joined the PPC, Autumn was the same age as hS's youngest child is now.
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No, I don't have Permission. by
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Thank you for the welcome anyway! I sort of vowed not to get Permission until I've learned the ropes about two years later. But then I always break my vows, so I'm not sure when I plan to get it.
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Blast! by
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In case you were wondering about the other message, I was proof-reading my message when I accidentally clicked on the 'Post Message' button...causing the uncorrected version of my message to be posted. Ugh. My sincere apologies for the unintentional inconvenience caused.
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I remember. You gave me a wilver knife.
Young girls shouldn’t dive unsecured. Here, have an indestructible lifeline. -
Ooh...thanks! by
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I'm immortal now! I'm going to try jumping off a cliff! *Looks down from the cliff* Um...maybe not.
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PPC Ship Names and Pokemon by
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So, based on DawnFire and Ailavyn Siniyash's discussion of 'ship names for PPCers - specifically the Jay/Acacia ship, Byrdtree (or maybe it could be Jaycacia - no, taken - or Thornbyrd - no, taken too ;)) - I started scribbling a few of my own. Of course I started with my OTP, Dafydd/Constance - which, me not being very good at this, became Dafstance.
'Oh hey,' thought I, 'that sounds sort of like a Pokemon. I wonder what it would be like...?'
Oh dear. There's a fair number of Dafydd 'ships, aren't there?
Sillmaglor (Maglor/Silmaril)
Fire-type
Burned Hand Pokemon
It constantly longs for the rock that burned it. It searches in dark caves for any such jewels. Only a significant shock will help it move on.
Sellian (Dafydd/Selene)
Fire/Electric-type
Pyro Pokemon
Wherever it goes, it brings the storm. Between fire and lightning, there isn't much left after it's done. It prefers to do its work at a distance, rather than going in close.
Vefydd (Dafydd/Vemi)
Fire/Fighting-type
Assassin Pokemon
It goes all-out to take out its opponent, using whatever comes to hand. It will happily follow a blizzard of punches with a long-distance fire attack.
Dafstance (Dafydd/Constance)
Fire/Ghost-type
Nightcloak Pokemon
With its right hand it heals, while with its left it burns. It apparently believes its fiery attacks are cauterising wounds. If injured, it will vanish into the night to recover.
(Can I draw? No, not really. But I do like Dafstance's design)
And with those methods of evolving, I've still got at least two (burn and freeze) left to exploit...
So, go on. What are your PPC shipnames (for your characters or others, I guess)? And what would they be like as Pokemon?
(I imagine Byrdtree would definitely be half-poison, for Acacia's arrows - but what would Jay's half be?)
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And the final pair: the Canonical Pokemon. by
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No, the other sort of canonical.
KaitchEss
Water/Fire
Canon Pokemon
Its central core pulses with a pure light, said to be in time with the heartbeat of the world. Its sleeping eye is the oldest jewel in existence; when it awakens, the Pokemon's power is doubled.
NeshBosh
Dark/Psychic
OTP Pokemon
Its birdlike shadow is said to be the spirit of the Pokemon its quill pen came from. It sends its shadow out to defend itself, while the quill rewrites reality to better suit its unknown goals.
An ancient legend states that after KaitchEss created the world and tied itself to it, NeshBosh appeared to take the imperfect world and improve it by rewriting its errors.
(So yes, they're the PPC History Pokemon and the Concrit Pokemon. Go figure ;))
(Why is a raven like a writing desk? Well, according to Lewis Carroll, 'Because it can produce a few notes, though they are very flat, and it is nevar put with the wrong end in front.')
hS
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Erp. by
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I just call Eledhwen/Christianne E/C, because I'm lazy, but I know how that gets confused with every other ship out there. Noting hS's suggestions of Chrisdhwen or Elechris... hm.
Eh, I like Elechris, though to be honest the ship name in my head would fall something more along the lines of "the S.S. Snark and Soulmates" or something.
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A couple of random ones. by
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I was reading through some older missions when I got these ideas stuck in my head. Many sincere and humble apologies to the owners of these agents. I am indeed a crazy and horrible person.
Gall Bonecrusher/Laura Dukes - Gallra, Gallroy Dukens
Suicide/Supernumerary - Suicume, Supercide, Bitter Cider
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I like Xume best out of these by
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I'm seeing it as a Psychic/Dark type, fitting with aspects of the personality of its two component characters, and the image the name gives me. It's a very cool name.
Maybe I'll try my hand at writing Pokédex-style descriptions later for a few of the names this thread's come up with. Could be fun. I'm making Xume's first, though, or at least early on. Because it's awesome. Awesome things deserve priority. -
Ships and Pokénames by
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Doc/Vania Tolluk:
1. Donia-Maybe a Dark- or Steel-type Pokémon, themed around rulership?
2. Docnia-A straight Bug-type, or perhaps Bug/Dark spidery thing.
3. Vandoc-A shoe brand.
4. Toldoc-And handsome.
5. Dolluk-GOTTA EXTERMINATE 'EM ALL! II IS SUPER EFFECTIVE AGAINST ALL INFERIOR LIFE FORMS
Vania/Paul (I know I haven't even written Paul, but knowing what I know about him, just suggesting this ship feels awful.
1. Vaul-A Fighting-type with a Viking helmet?
2. Paunia-A Water/Bug-type shrimpy thing?
3. Paullok-Something eradicated by the CDC a century ago.
Paul/Doc
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This is all so very brilliant. by
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As I haven't Permission, I haven't agents to ship, so I shan't be making ship names, but everyone's are all so wonderful and silly, and I thought I'd point that out.
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Let's see... by
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Geeze. Of course I manage to give my two main agents really hard names to smush together.
So, first up is Lian, which sounds okay, but not the best. Hm. Let's look at their last names...
Moorehaven and Nahinu. Morinu? Naven? Right. Maybe not so much.
Let's see. Well, I could always do something a bit more non-traditional. After all, not all ship names need to be made up of their names (I'm looking at you here, Avengers fandom and, of course, WolfStar from HP).
Right! With that in mind, let's see what comes up:
Hawaiian Cougar (Eesh. Maybe not.)
S&A (for Shield and Anchor; slightly obscure)
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I fail at doing the bolding thing forever. (nm) by
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Bold is like this (nm) by
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Oh hey! A ship or two coming right up! by
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So... I have a couple (self-made) ships I'd like to put through the ringer. So let's get started, shall we?
Eusabius/Zerenze: Eusenze, Zerabius
You can figure out which name you like better for that. Personally, I prefer "Eusenze".
In the event of both, I imagine Eusenze would be a Water/Psychic type pokemon, while Zerabius would be some Earth/Fire thingamajig. I dunno. And I have no idea what is up with the Burned Hand Pokemon stuff, but that might be because I haven't even touched Pokemon since Generation 2 (best generation ever, BTW!).
Xanthus/Annie: Xannie, Annthus, Xanthie
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Two - no, three things. by
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Shipping
Shipping, or 'relationshipping', is the art or habit of claiming that two characters are or should be in a relationship. It can apply to characters that actually are (Eledhwen and Christienne), or who never were (Dafydd and Vemi). As made famous by the Harry Potter fandom, ships can be given names formed by mashing their character names together - such as the Harry/Hermione ship being called 'Harmony'. That one also illustrates that slight spelling changes are okay.
Pokemon
Pokemon is a children's entertainment franchise about catching monsters and forcing them to fight for your twisted entertainment. Er... no, actually, that's pretty accurate. The monsters (Pokemon) have either one or two elemental 'types', ranging from the classic (Fire, Water) to the unusual (Steel, Rock, Psychic) to the obvious (Flying, Normal). They also have encyclopedia entries, which give a two or three word description (Camel Pokemon), and a short description of them ('It lives in trees and drops on the heads of unwary passers-by, relying on its hardened skin to protect it from harm').
The PPC
The PPC is a flat world which rides on the back of four elephants, which themselves stand on the shell of an enormous turtle, which (being a turtle) swims endlessly through space.
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I notice you haven't brought up Elechris yet... by
on 2013-10-03 18:46:00 UTC
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Here, shipnames for Christianne/Eledhwen.
Christiel (Supernatural Angel name. Sounds...exceedingly Christian, actually. I think this would be Time Lord!Christianne gone mad with power...and merged with Eledhwen--okay, shutting down that train of thought now, it's going the way of Time Lord Victorious.)
Elechris (Credit to hS! Not entirely sure what it sounds like...Personally, I like the beginning, but I'm not sure I like it overall. The search continues!)
...that is, the search would continue, but my ideas have run dry. Anyone else?
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Fairly certain that 'Cristiel' is a name... by
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...that Suethors would use for the Tolkienverse.
Like, I'm fairly certain it's popped up in an 'Elvish name list' somewhere. Don't recall seeing it on realelvish, though. -
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I suppose it could be related to the 'rist' element of Orcrist, but with a random 'c' at the beginning...but considering it would mean 'daughter of cleaver', I don't know why anyone would give or choose that name. It's a bit odd, to say the least.
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Sues only care if it sounds good, by
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Realistically, however, I can see that being the father name for some girl whose parent was a warrior (or a butcher?).
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Hm, I suppose... by
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But poor girl if she's introduced to someone who doesn't know her heritage!
And the point about Sues is very true.
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It's all in the spelling. by
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While it's definitely pronounced 'Elechris', I think it's spelt 'Elekriss'. Which is definitely a pokemon.
The alternative is 'Chrisdhwen/Christhwen' (depending on whether you want the accurate spelling or a readable one). Ooh - or there's Elestienne, which is actually quite a nice word.
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Oh dear lord, I bet Elestienne is the name of the Sue. by
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Like the Jaycacia of the Eledhwen/Christianne ship.
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Lily, no, now I want to write that. What have you done?
Stay tuned, Badfic Game...although possibly next year's Badfic Game, I've already got three stories I'm trying to finish...
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Elekriss definitely looks better, I think. by
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Unfortunately, you then can't tell it's the shipname. Hm.
Ooh, Elestienne. That sounds good. I think that one has my vote.
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Elestienne is better as ship name than a Pokémon, I think. by
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Elechriss/Elekriss would make for a good Pokémon name (Bug-type, maybe? It's not in the motifs of either character, but the "ch" right next to the sibilant at the end there associates it with insects to me. Probably Psychic as a primary, or possibly Electric, but I'm going with Bug as a secondary.), but Elechriss sounds like... some sort of mystic armament. Like one of those lightweight swords in Arthurian-style fantasy made up of an unearthly metal, the sort that can cut through practically anything with little effort on the part of its bearer. Still awesome. Plus, just imagine Eledhwen wielding one of those. Character-perfect.
Would her sword be named after the ship, though? Would the word even mean the same thing in-universe? Further questions to ponder. Possibly only by me, but ponder nonetheless.
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Considering the Winterwood Minigun got into a mission... by
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(still unpublished, but hey)... I wouldn't be surprised if the Armoury suddenly got a shipment of Elechriss Stabby Things.
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Did someone say minigun? As in Heavy Weapons Guy style minigun?
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...Elechriss Stabby Things? by
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I wants one, my precious, yes I does.
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Because it's really fun to say.
Naruu (Narto/Lou)
Normal/Psychic-type
Meta Pokemon
It has acquired a gaming system of some kind, from which it is utterly inseperable. It uses the device to perform all its attacks, of which it has an impressively large number. Perhaps unfortunately, almost all of these attacks are fairly low-level...
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One or two pokemon names by
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Nuima(Decima/Nume)
Psychic-type
Bookworm Pokemon
It is often found lurking near libraries. It absorbs any knowledge it can get its hands on.
Decume(Decima/Nume)
Evolves from Nuima
Psychic-type
Dry Wit Pokemon
It is quiet and brooding. It is not known to speak, but its eyebrows can communicate volumes.
Superdecimary(Decima/Nume)
Evolves from Decume
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I really like... by
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... the name 'Superdecimary'. I'm sort of picturing these as an anthropomorphic book - but in a cool way, not an Egyptian god shove-a-stupid-head-on-it way. I'm not sure how that would work in actual visuals... hrm. Something like this?
Those are supposed to be two rolled pages for the arms, two folded down pages for the legs, with the rest of the pages sticking out to the sides and the covers folded right back to make those two little spikes (which look something like wings). I guess this would be Nuima - Decume would be a bigger book with some intricate origami work to give it a (mouthless) face and better limbs, while Superdecimary, befitting its fire nature, would actually be pieces of charred paper hovering above an empty or burning book cover.
Very little chance of me drawing that, though. (But I bet 'Nuima' could be made in reality... I'll try that sometime)
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I had pictured more of a hermit crab (appropriate, I think) with a book as a shell for Nuima. Something small with the ability to hide easily. The "crab" body could easily be made of paper.
For Decume, I pictured it becoming larger with more books making up the whole. I like the origami aspect in your interpretation, and using that to make the face (which we only need for the eyebrows, really).
Superdecimary would be more bipedal, in my interpretation, though still made of books. I keep picturing a staff with an open, burning book on the top of it, as well.
It's fun to see how we each see these things.
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And interpretations of all three. by
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I realise these don't quite match your descriptions - but I can't draw! I'm really pleased with Nuima (it's just so cute!), and actually quite like Superdecimary, too. Decume - well, it's definitely larger! I was going for 'book turtle' here; not sure how well it came off.
Still, I had fun.
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I like them by
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I agree that Nuima and Superdecimary are better than Decume, but mainly because Decume is just harder to get across. Overall, I think you did an excellent job. I like the red for the book covers, and the shape progression through the evolutionary line is nice, as well.
Well done.
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Ooh, I like the bookcrab idea. by
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I think you'd have that as basically an overturned book, with folded/rolled pages making the legs. I've actually made my version of Nuima in actual reality, sort of, and to get it to look right you'd really need to rip the pages partially away from the spine.
I can see Decume as a... I guess more turtle than crab, with a faceted shell, and one book open at the front to make the face. Then Superdecimary - well, I think that comes down to how well the art would work. I'm pretty sure I couldn't pull off a biped made of books without it looking stupid, but I agree that it would look good if someone could. The staff... probably depends, again, how it's done.
(My designs tend to involve unconnected body parts. That's because I find them easier to draw - wildly so. ;))
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on 2013-10-03 15:51:00 UTC
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Would you like drawings of these "Pokemon"? Because I could do that.
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Is 'awesometastic' a word? Because it would be that. (nm) by
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Be warned. by
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I think I just made Silmaglor into a cute fox thingy with one paw on fire. Not sure how this happened. If you have any preferences appearance-wise for the others, tell me now. Silmaglor can be changed if you desire.
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I'm fine with a fox theme throughout. My only real note is that Dafstance has long hair (or 'hair') playing the role of Luthien's nightcloak - hence the bizarre cone thing.
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Ask and you shall receive... by
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I'm gonna have to pass on the Pokemon part, though, as the Pokemon franchise and I have been through a rather nasty falling out. Lots of yelling and throwing of things (Pokeballs, mostly) and squinting at teeny tiny screens.
But ship names? Yeah, I can try my hand at a few of those. I'll start off simple, with my own characters. Since some of them don't really portmanteau together all that well, the following list will be a combination of mash-up couple names and descriptors. First off, the partnership... uh, ships.
Gremlin/Xericka - Grexicka, Xemlin, Dark Sparks
Laura/Danny - Lanny, Darla
Laura/James - Jarla, Southern Comfort
Rachel/Cornelius - Ralius, AUspicous, AUsome
And, as a bonus:
Laura/Danny/Rachel - Darlachel, Mentorshipping
Finally (for now), a suggestion for Dafydd/Constance: OBMF (One Big Mad Family).
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If you don't mind a couple of Pokemon... by
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Grexicka
Electric/Dark
Dark Sparks Pokemon
As it gallops, it kicks up sparks that take on a life of their own. Its rear legs are made of pure lightning.
Xemlin
Electric/Dark
Night Storm Pokemon
It is rarely seen, as it carries a darkness about it. People say it is the source of the strange lights sometimes seen during thunderstorms.
I'm... not really sure why Xemlin has turned into a fish. Maybe that's why it cloaks itself in darkness?
(And yes, I am aware that there is technically already an electric horse Pokemon. Hopefully these two are different enough...)
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Very interesting. by
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The design for Grexicka put me in mind of the D&D nightmare creature, only with lightning as opposed to flames. I approve of such a concept.
As for Xemlin, I assumed (in the short moments after I had seen the drawing but before I read the bit underneath it) that what I was looking at was the darkness it carried around. I thought that the creature itself was more like a sentient foo fighter or will-o-the-wisp hiding in a eel-shaped cloak of darkness
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Bltzle is a zebra that absorbs and discharges electrical energy, and evolves into a larger version that does so more quickly and efficiently. Grexicka is a horse phantom made of darkness and sparks, and evolves into a titanic sky-eel that shoots lightning from its eyes. I think they're different enough.
I'm imagining that Xemlin looks a lot like the a flying version of the gulper eel, just because the idea of that thing also being capable of swallowing a small plane whole is just too incredible to dismiss.
Of course, they'd probably live in systems of strong and turbulent weather, being thunderstorm-based creatures and all, so pilots would probably stay away from a potential Xemlin den with or without the threat of being Megasharked, but I'm having too much fun with the idea to let basic logic get in its way. -
*a lot like a flying version by
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This is what happens when I type while excited. I forget to proof-read, and article adjectives just start showing up next to each other in the final post. They're like coat hangers in a crowded closet, if coat hangers were spawned from not paying attention instead of... whatever it is that people say causes coat hangers to multiply. I'm not the best with similes.
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Muaha. by
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I really like 'Xemlin' for some reason. And, for that matter, OBMF - though I think it might have a wider application than just Daf/Con. Given the state of my cast list, I think virtually everyone is part of the OBMF.
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I missed everyone! by
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Hey guys! I'm back.....my computer isn't on the fritz....life is looking good :)
I got a new hard drive. Yay!
And discovered House of Anubis, hehe....I love the show (though I've heard other decidedly negative opinions), but you want to find some badfic in about two seconds, check the HOA section on the Pit. -
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I just came back, too, and I'm fairly new. (joined two months ago) Here, have an urple eraser to rub away mistakes. Hope you like it!
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Oh hey! by
on 2013-10-04 00:41:00 UTC
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Welcome back! I was wondering where you've been!
Here, have a Welcome Back cake, made with mascarpone cheese frosting and amazing sugar bites!
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Just wondering: by
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What was it that first convinced you badfic needed to be killed? I'm not necessarily asking how you first heard of the PPC, although I imagine that for many people the two may be synonymous. I'm talking about the event that made you think either "someone should do something!" or "these Agents have the right idea".
For me it was the latter revelation: I heard about the PPC through TVTropes while looking for badfic in general, and wandered around the wiki for a few hours driven by pure curiosity. Then I read the page on "Honesah Hoononee Keemo"*. That's when I became a follower.
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I... actually don't know. by
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Checking my old profile shows that my 'Sue-killing story was started in August '03, and the very first chapter mentions the PPC. I know (or think) I first heard of OFUM when someone mentioned it in a review to another, deleted story - which, judging by the date on the sequel, would have been around March '03. I believe I only got an email address in around November/December '02 (in time to email a friend about The Two Towers over the Christmas holidays), so... I'm going to guess I first heard of badfic, fangirls and Mary-Sues when I read OFUM, and I read OFUM because someone mentioned mini-Balrogs to me, and I wanted one. ;) The PPC, of course, is found on the OFUM website...
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I remember that moment well. by
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*clears throat and laces fingers* Let me tell you a story.
I was - and still am - a fangirl. It isn't something I'm ashamed of. However, my newbie-fangirl self was a Suethor, or, at least, had the mind of one. My Lust Object was Data from Star Trek: The Next Generation. (He's still my Lust Object, but now shares that title with several other characters). I devoured fic and fan art featuring him, and realized that there were others who felt the same way. Most of the time I felt an affinity with them.
One time, I was browsing fanfiction on Deviant Art (don't ask) when I found a story featuring Data. Due to Deviant Art's lack of organization, I had no idea what it was going to be. So I read. And it was a Suefic.
It didn't have bad SPaG, but that's all. This is the plot progression:
Data's best friend Geordi: So, are going to ask her out 'cause you too seem to be really close?
(keep in mind that this is the beginning of the story and we haven't even met her yet)
Data:…
She and Data get trapped in a cave-in. Declarations of love are exchanged and an intense makeout session ensues, with an author's note indicating mature content in the next chapter.
I kid you not. Naturally, this made me angry - mostly out of jealous. Then and there I vowed to hate her and her kind for all time. Now I definitely understand Poor Cynic's point about laughing at badfic, but at that moment I was mad.
My writing didn't suddenly improve, nor did I learn to recognize Sues that weren't lusting after characters. But it alerted me to the problems in fanfiction, and made me think that I could be part of the solution.
Sorry to go on so long, but your question hit something very specific and I wanted to share. -
I've never had that moment. by
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The PPC, for me, has never been about 'killing' badfic. I joined the PPC because I love writing. I saw in the community a group of like-minded folks with a sense of Mystery Science-esque humor who sought to both improve themselves and make people laugh at the same time.
The phrase 'killing badfic' always felt a bit too mean-spirited to me. We spork badfic, we mock badfic, we tease badfic, but actually killing it? That strikes me as too much. Not to mention that killing badfic -- actually removing it from existence -- is nigh-on impossible outside of badgering the actual authors, which would not reflect well on our little society.
You can't say 'someone should do something' because there is nothing that can be done. Mike (or Joel) and the 'Bots could never stop the films that came their way. All they could do was sit down and throw jokes at the screen until the metaphorical storm had passes. We can't stop the flow of badfic. All we can do is crack jokes and be silly until the story comes to an end. -
MST3K by
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You like Mike and the Bots? Like Lord of the Rings? Come over my way. I don't kill the Sues. You die with laughter.
The site hasn't been updated in a while, but there's still quite a bit of material there (if you haven't already read it).
Lord of the Mst - http://www.alswaiter.net/LOTR/
I prefer to use humour as a teaching tool. It's enjoyed by all, unless the author has thin skin... then they don't enjoy it as much, but with permission, I really don't care at that point. XD
~AW~
PS: Please, do not bring food or drink into this website. Thank you for your co-operation. -
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Yeah, that was probably some bad word choice on my part. But deciding that badifc could be laughed at counts as a "mement" too.
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Oh Hello by
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I am rather new here, and barely write any fanfiction. In all honesty, I usually write stuff at the Alternate History Discussion Board, where the fiction is about real life history. I must applaud your efforts at killing the Mary Sues.
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Hello there! by
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Hi there, and welcome to the PPC! How did you run across us?
Well, as you've heard already, it's customary for newbies to get gifts, so...
*rummages through Pokemon-Trainer-issue bag of holding*
have a Celebi! This time-traveling Pokemon is perfect for someone interested in history. Just make sure not to cause too much trouble out there! -
Re: Oh Hello by
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Hello mikelima!
I have never heard of a board that writes fiction based off of history...My friend writes those. Maybe I can get her to look at your board.
Anyway, here's a canteen of Alert Juice to keep you awake during the darkest hours! -
Welcome to our lovely Board! by
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You're a rather interesting writer, mikelima. Very knowledgable about history, if I may add. In fact, I have rarely seen fanfic writers writing about your...er...*fandom*. (Is that the appropriate term?) But then, I'm rather new (and young) myself.
Here, have a copy of Sun Tze's The Art of War unless...you already have it? If you do, here's an extra crate of Bleepka. Enjoy!
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Mini Alert! by
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It looks like we have a potential catastrophe here! We have a mini-Sun Tzu running about! If he manages to recruit enough of the other minis...
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Dang it! by
on 2013-10-08 07:06:00 UTC
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It's my Chinese instincts. I pronounce his name in the Chinese way, and therefore...bah. Sorry! Sorry, guys! I'll catch him...
That is, if he doesn't shoot me down with miniature arrows first.
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Re: Oh Hello by
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Hi, have some fudge!
I tried to get involved in the Alternate History board, but that was one of the logins that were eaten when I had a laptop crash. I should see if they still have me listed over there at some point. -
*waves* by
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Welcome, welcome!
Have a an urple-covered and wilver-bound lined Infinite Notebook. Just don't look at it straight on.
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Welcome! by
on 2013-10-05 21:41:00 UTC
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Have a cookie or a dozen.
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Pardon the hijack by
on 2013-10-11 03:21:00 UTC
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But thanks to our newbie, I just started reading OFUATLA, and I have to say, I (mainly) like what I see.
(I say mainly because of two foreign-language errors: a Spanish error in Chapter 12, and a Latin error in chapter 14, but they have not detracted from my want for a new chapter.) -
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By "just," I mean yesterday.
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Hello by
on 2013-10-09 04:38:00 UTC
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Actually, I first heard about the PPC from your Avatar TLA OFU.
As someone who honestly haven't watch the show, it sure is entertaining watching the horror that are the fangirls. -
Welcome to the PPC. :) by
on 2013-10-05 21:26:00 UTC
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Have a bag of pebbles and a Random Shiny Object. :D
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Oh, hi. You're welcome to the (nm) (nm) by
on 2013-10-05 20:47:00 UTC
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Welcome aboard! by
on 2013-10-05 19:41:00 UTC
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Have a *rummages in closet* saucepan! And a disco ball!
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Oh hai there, mikelima. by
on 2013-10-05 15:11:00 UTC
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Welcome, welcome!
It is required that you read The Constitution, as it is That Which Governs Our Interactions here; The Original Series is also a recommended read, and, as Outhra noted, we have a shiny Wiki, too.
That said, have a cup of good Darjeeling tea, coming straight from a still-British India. Just don't let the leaves eat you. -
Greetings! by
on 2013-10-05 03:17:00 UTC
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Well, regardless of your writing output, it's always nice to see new arrivals!
Do you have any other fandoms? Have you read any spin-offs? What about the the wiki? Have you been there yet?
As you may or may not know, it's tradition here to give newbies a gift when they first arrive. In appreciation of your alternate timeline sensibilities, have a jet pack salvaged from a sapient coelophysid! Don't ask what the point of divergence was in that time stream; I'm still trying to work it out myself. It probably had something to do with a delay of the Permian extinction event that I picked up, but I'm still working out the details. Causality derivatives are hard for me to measure. -
Hello! by
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Hi there! Fiction about real life history? What historical periods do you read about?
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Alternate History by
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I tend to read mostly stuff based on World War II up to the present day.
As an example of WWII-based alternate history, this is the Anglo/American Nazi War, by Calbear:
http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=211950
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Greetings to the PPC! by
on 2013-10-05 12:04:00 UTC
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Well, hello there!
I'm 99Hedgehog, pleased to meet you! I am 14 years of age, and an aspiring writer as well as a fan of such works of fiction like the Tolkien Legendarium, Warhammer 40,000, Harry Potter, The Elder Scrolls, Doctor Who, the Legend of Zelda, Eragon and many more. I also enjoy many games such as those metioned previously and others like Dwarf Fortress, ADOM and ToME. I love my Rougelikes. My favorite genres are High Fantasy and Science Fiction.
Pleased to meet the lot of you! ^_^
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Welcome! by
on 2013-10-08 07:11:00 UTC
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Hello! Hello! Here, have a flask of miruvor! Hmm...Eragon, eh? That's interesting. Oh well. I'm pleased to meet you too! Enjoy yourself here!
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Hello there! by
on 2013-10-07 03:44:00 UTC
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Quite a lot of fandoms there! Are you also a fan of Pokemon or Bakugan Battle Brawlers, by the way?
But off to the gift!
*rummages through bag of holding*
Hmmm...Zelda fan, Zelda fan, what can I possibly give to the Zelda fan?
*keeps rummaging*
Aha!
Here, have your choice of a Gallade or a (DON'T MOUSE OVER HERE IF YOU WANT TO AVOID SPOILERS FOR POKEMON X AND Y)--both of which are appropriate for an enterprising swordsman. -
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on 2013-10-05 23:49:00 UTC
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Hi, have some fudge!
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*waves* by
on 2013-10-05 21:46:00 UTC
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Greetings and hello!
I hereby give to you a lined Infinite Notebook of your very own, complete with urple covers and wilver bindings. Just make sure you don't look at it straight on.
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'Allo! by
on 2013-10-05 21:41:00 UTC
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Have a cookie or a dozen!
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Welcome! by
on 2013-10-05 21:28:00 UTC
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I like your fandoms. :D *gives you a bag of pebbles and a Random Shiny Objecy* Here you go, for battling Sues, slashwraiths, and other bad things!
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Legend of Zelda! Yarr! by
on 2013-10-05 20:48:00 UTC
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What's your favorite game? What's your favorite character? Any other TV shows you like? How about Avatar: The Last Airbender?
But enough of the questions. Have a fluffy velociraptor! -
Welcome! by
on 2013-10-05 20:12:00 UTC
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Have some macarons or macaroons.
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Welcome on board! by
on 2013-10-05 19:40:00 UTC
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Have some gin! Unless you don't drink; in that case, have some hot chocolate!
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Hi there! by
on 2013-10-05 19:05:00 UTC
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Hi there 99! It's nice to meet you! Please accept my gifts of a potato cannon, a basket of russet potatoes and an Official Fanfiction University of Doctor Who sweatshirt!
If you'd like to join the OFWho, please feel free to contact me. Nice to meet you! -
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(And hallow and yellow and other similar sounding words, too!)
Welcome, welcome!
It is required that you read The Constitution, as it is That Which Governs Our Interactions here; The Original Series is also a recommended read, and we have a shiny Wiki, too.
That said, have a cup of good green tea. Just don't let the leaves eat you. -
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Greetings.
Nice to meet you and to commemorate this have this urple colored notebook.
Nice selection of fandoms there, I'm well versed in most of them.
Once again nice to meet you
Storme Hawk
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What's the opposite of Glitter? by
on 2013-10-05 20:57:00 UTC
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I was thinking a while ago, and wondered, 'What if there's an opposite to Glitter? How might it be used?'
I figured that since Glitter is pretty, inedible, tastes awful, and causes Sueification.
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There are so many ideas here, I think I'll have to write them down and eventually write a system of experiments on Sues using all of these.
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Gritter by
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I know it doesn't really fit what you were asking for, but that was my first thought. Gritter is what you sprinkle on a canon to get a darker, edgier version. If it's an official version you have a 'gritty reboot'. (Nolan's dark Knight films are the epitome of this.) In fanfics, Gritter can be used to create a 'Dark AU'.
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I like the idea of Gritter by
on 2013-10-10 12:15:00 UTC
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Do you mind if my agents mention it if they come across a Dark!Harry Potter or something?
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Go right ahead by
on 2013-10-10 19:10:00 UTC
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I think it would be fun of it actually got used.
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Ooh. by
on 2013-10-10 20:16:00 UTC
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Mind if I misuse it in a story for the Badfic Game sometime? It sounds like fun...especially if too much of it was used--oh wow, I know exactly where to use it: in the story of Elestienne, daughter of Christianne and Eledhwen, best Sue Hunter in the galaxy. (Coming to the Board next Badfic Game!) May I?
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Sure! by
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Use, misuse, go ahead. ^^
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Awesome :) by
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Hopefully you'll see it misused in the next Badfic Game...and possibly referenced somewhere along the way, I don't know yet...
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I think by
on 2013-10-06 16:04:00 UTC
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A while ago, I beought up the concept of Logic Water and Crystals of Plausibility. Logic Water is like water except that it glows bright blue. When consumed, for Non-Suvians it has them think logically. It generally calms the consumer down. But if the consumer is Suvian, they will get SOCS and or disolve into glitter. Logic Water isn't foolproof; some Suvians might be immune to its effects. The Crystals work the same way, but thsy have a repelling effect.
As for their taste, I figure you'd have to combine the two. Perhaps you could grind up the crystals and mix it up with the water to get a paste. As for the taste, it would probably be sweet. Maybe like icing. Hmm, icing of Logic...The Sues wouldn't know what hit them. You could offer them a piece of cake with the icing then BAM! A pile of glitter.
I don't know if powdered crystal could be used to make icing...but we can improvise. -
SOCS? (nm) by
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Suvian Overheated Cranium Syndrome. by
on 2013-10-06 23:26:00 UTC
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It first showed up in an OFU somewhere, and essentially means that Sues will start having mental breakdowns when they encounter too many things they can't understand or can't control. An overload of logic, since it's outside a Sue's ability to influence, could potentially provoke a similar malfunction.
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IAHF by
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The first mention of SOCS was at IAHF I beleive. Because the consumption of Logic Water and or Crystals of Plausibility induces logical thoughts or actions, most Suvians cannot handle them. I think it's because their very existence is illogical. How can one have a large chest and a waist as thin as a baseball bat and not suffer the consequences of such bad anatomy. How can you be the best archer in the realm when you've just pickes up a bow?
Logic counteracts those examples. Of course Logic can't really exist in liquid form...which is somewhat illogical., but let's not go there. -
I would have to say raw logic by
on 2013-10-06 00:48:00 UTC
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Think about it. Logic doesn't /seem/ appealing but tastes great and causes de-Sueification
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Vulcan blood. (nm) by
on 2013-10-06 20:58:00 UTC
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I was just about to say that. (nm) by
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My guess... by
on 2013-10-05 23:05:00 UTC
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Maybe that's what "concrit" does. It's not just a builoding material.
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Not everything has an opposite. by
on 2013-10-05 22:40:00 UTC
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Glitter exists in its PPC form because Sues are often sparkly and speshul, and so, from a meta-standpoint, it was determined early on that Sueishness is determined by the presence of glitter. Glitter is almost like the smallest observable particle of Sue material. Admittedly, that's not the best comparison, but you wouldn't ask what the opposite of oxygen was, or the opposite of propane. Doubly so for semi-supernatural materials like glitter.
Fully supernatural substances usually have an opposite, but I'm pretty sure that's usually just to provide a phlebotinum antidote in case the creators write themselves into a corner, or in order to have a "dark" version of the existing substances to be used by an antagonist.
And don't let Agent Corolla hear you say that glitter tastes nasty. She loves the stuff. -
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Considering that a good chunk of Sues are written "on sugar highs" and often they contain too many "sweet" traits, we can assume that the taste of Sueness is a sugary one.
So the taste of Anti-Glitter should be bitter, but still pleasant. Coffee, perhaps?
Now that I think about it, coffee doesn't have that great of an appearance (it's usually brown), and tends to get one's head in place (for example, I tend to drink it oonly when I need help saying awake, as I'm not quite a fan of it. And it must be an Italian-style espresso, not that dirty water thing Americans call coffee)... so it kinda fits in all three categories.
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Coffee--I agree! (nm) by
on 2013-10-06 23:08:00 UTC
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Based on those criteriaÂ… by
on 2013-10-05 21:52:00 UTC
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…I submit three suggestions.
1. Chocolate
2. Guacamole
3. Pesto
Can't vouch fo de-Sueification, though. I'm leaning towards guacamole because chocolate is sweet and pesto needs to be cooked with other things. I'm seeing this as a "Oh no, she accidentally ate some of that Sue Soufflé quick grab the ________ and shove it down her throat!" situation. -
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I like to eat paper. For me, it tastes delicious.
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A PPC Agent? :p (nm) by
on 2013-10-05 21:27:00 UTC
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I certainly love the taste of PPC Agent. *shot* (nm) by
on 2013-10-05 21:42:00 UTC
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Scared to ask how you figured out the taste bit. (nm) by
on 2013-10-05 21:35:00 UTC
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I think I glossed over that bit... by
on 2013-10-07 00:13:00 UTC
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Unless you have edible clothing on that is.
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Clothes don't make the agent. by
on 2013-10-07 22:05:00 UTC
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Hm. Cannibals in the PPC, reports from large sentient predators attacking agents or a controversial chef's interrogation logs?
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Some critisism on old stories? by
on 2013-10-05 22:19:00 UTC
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I was wondering if I could get some thoughts on a few of my older, and more recent stories. Anyone mind giving me their thoughts?
Link to story places (Beware, links to the Pit and DA incoming.)
http://tehwolf7.deviantart.com/
http://www.fanfiction.net/~chibichen
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Editing Original Works by
on 2013-10-06 22:43:00 UTC
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*Comes out of a hidden doorway, dusting off clothes*
Hello! I haven't been posting much here, just looking around at some interesting ones....
I was wondering where I could publish short stories (original) or get good editors to edit them? So far, my english teacher has edited it. However, I would like more people to edit them.
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If you're still looking for somewhere to post original works, there's Fiction Press - a sister site to FF.net that's for original writing. I expect LiveJournal and other similar places would also be suitable.
I may also be able to do some editing for you, out of interest, what sort of genres do you write? I'm mostly into sci-fi and fantasy myself, so I'll be able to offer more input on those.
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on 2013-10-11 21:19:00 UTC
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I'm currently writing something like "Foundation" by Isaac Asimov, in a steampunk-like setting.
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Ooh, interesting! by
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That sounds very cool, I'd definitely be up for reading something like that.
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What kind of editing are you looking for? (nm) by
on 2013-10-06 23:52:00 UTC
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Re: What kind of editing are you looking for? by
on 2013-10-07 03:14:00 UTC
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Any type, really. One that can edit and give me suggestions on how to improve would be nice, though.
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If you're just looking for critique... by
on 2013-10-07 03:18:00 UTC
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Well, anyone here could do it, we're a community of avid readers and writers, but I could see what I can do. :P I've actually been trying to get a freelance editing business started up, and I'd be glad to discuss it over e-mail or something - my address is in the link on my name.
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I think I'll take your offer of doing it for free (I don't have a credit card/money/bitcoins/etc)
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I'd be happy to give it a read anyway! by
on 2013-10-07 03:21:00 UTC
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Just send me an e-mail at kyle.garrett41@gmail.com and I'll give your stuff a look ASAP. It might take a bit because I'm dealing with school, looking for work, and writing a novel, but I'll be sure to give it a good look-over.
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Good, bad or mediocre? by
on 2013-10-07 07:44:00 UTC
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Hello, brave agents of PPC! I have heard of your organisation a while ago and greatly appreciate the service you perform for the fanfiction communities. However, I just have a question to ask:
Given how subjective a lot of fiction tends to be (each one of us probably loves some generally reviled movies and vice versa), how exactly do you decide if a fic is good, bad or just mediocre and not worth bothering with? Is it just up t the agents' judgement, or do oother factor also enter into it? Specifically, do the follows/favourites on the Pit (or their closest equivalent on other sites) ever enter into this, or not? -
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I believe the best way to sum up the issue is whether the changes to the Canon are Plausible. Is it within reason that such a change could happen.
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Well... by
on 2013-10-09 07:37:00 UTC
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Everyone has a slightly different view on this, but most people find lack of plot, bad grammar, spelling and a Mary Sue in the fic in question to greatly detract from it's goodness.
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Mostly, what SeaTurtle said. by
on 2013-10-07 13:28:00 UTC
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I would like to add, though, that in general I find that the amount of likes a story has is irrelevant in terms of badfic: I've PPC'd badfic with no likes and I've PPC'd badfic that was liked by people.
As for the changes issue you brought up in the second paragraph... our stance is that changes are not really an inherently bad thing. However, with some changes to the canon you can go too far, and that's where we come in. It's sort of like what the Nostalgia Critic said about The Last Airbender: you do have to make some changes, but they've gotta be changes that make sense. I don't know about your two Dragon Age fics (I'll give 'em a look later if I have time), but given the quality of the writing style I don't think there'll be too much to write about there.
And since you're here... welcome to the PPC, dude! Have some music by Bruno Maderna as a welcome gift: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faSImo7Aa3A -
Excellent question. by
on 2013-10-07 08:54:00 UTC
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We each have our own idea of what's good, bad, or mediocre, but I think what's most important in our badfic selection process is if the badfic itself is funny ("funny" being anything that falls in between "mess of funny typos" to "completely inane plot"). We write missions to make our agents cry, rage, and go nuts over silly happenings, so we choose materials that would enable us to write a good scenario for them. Think of it as a MST shot on location, except the audience gets a chance to fix things at the end.
As for FFN (and other sites that host fanfic) reviews and "likes", I find them to be a general indicator of what's trending as opposed to what is good. Consider the slightly horrifying appeal of the Fifty Shades series... It's popular, but a lot of us wouldn't say it's a great piece of literature.
Oh, and hello to you, good sir/ma'am/mysterious entity! We hope you enjoy your stay on the Board. -
To provide an example... by
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Here's a link to The Last of Us post-ending story on The Pit I found recently (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9402093/1/Their-story). It doesn't seem bad by the looks of it and has 137 favs. at 36 k words. Does this actually mean anything in terms of the story quality or not? I don't know if you have done anything in the TLOU universe yet, but I hope you'll find this message useful.
Then, here's another story on the Pit (also available at the Dragon Age wiki) I'm not sure about: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6852833/1/His-Father-s-Son and its prequel of sorts, http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6488069/1/Necessary-Things (plus some oneshots related to both stories.) I have been reading this for quite a while and I can't quite make up my mind on it: it is close to canon overall, but some later chapters do begin to change things and I'm not sure about the characters' handling. Essentially, my opinion of it changes from chapter to chapter and I was curious as to what you thought of it and how it matches with your quality requirements.
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Stay out of the Dog Park. by
on 2013-10-07 23:47:00 UTC
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Or the pool, as it were.
Who in the PPC listens to the Night Vale podcasts? And of you all, who's noticed how similar Night Vale is to the PPC? DawnFire and I are in the middle of a discussion about how they are so alike. And come on: the PPC is run by telepathic plants that sometimes wear clothing. Tell me that isn't Night Vale-esque. Our lack of spacial and temporal continuity is another point towards the PPC and Night Vale being somehow related. Doesn't "you have to not know where you are to get to where you're going" sound very Night Vale? And hey, I'm sure there are plenty of PPCers who wouldn't mind flying around in green helicopters with diving birds of prey painted on the sides...
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No, it's not the PPC, it's Star Trek: DS9 by
on 2013-10-12 04:26:00 UTC
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The 'real world' AU.
DS9 as Night Vale, a weird, isolated town where crazy things happen and everyone is neurotic.
With Garak as Cecil and Bashir as Carlos.
And Gul Dukat as Steve Carlsburg. And the Dominion as Desert Bluffs.
And security personell as radio station interns. And Odo as the Sheriff of the Secret Police. Because Sheriff Odo has an awesome ring to it.
Of course, there's probably no point in posting this seeing as I don't think there are many DS9 fans on the Board, but hey. It makes sense to me. Did I mention it's almost midnight right now? -
I do! by
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Hmm... Interesting point. However, I doubt the Flowers have the budget to outfit their entire secret police with black leather baclavas. They'd probably just give out some black cloth stuff and tell secret police to improvise.
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What secret police? by
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They were disbanded months ago, just after that-
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"out of business" broke.
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Why? by
on 2013-10-10 12:10:00 UTC
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The PPC doesn't actually need to spend money on anything other than agent salaries. We know from numerous stories that the Cafeteria feeds people whatever gets brought in from the Multiverse; we know that electricity is free (from dead people), and water - well, if Makes-Things hasn't stuck a pipe into the bottom of a lake somewhere, he's not doing his job.
The PPC is in the unique position of being able to steal absolutely everything from the Multiverse, for free, usually through stories which are later killed (and so nothing actually goes missing) - everything except expertise, which consists of drastically-underpaid agents. It's not like the Flowers are out to make a profit, after all...
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on 2013-10-10 12:16:00 UTC
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"We could probably get that many balaclavas by just sticking one in a replicator" anyway. An interesting point, though what about stuff like maintenance costs, building up the New Cal city, etc.?
And of course the fact the PPC can just take everything from everywhere does raise the question of why Finance even exists, except for the purposes of (not-very-highly) paying the agents. Which is fair enough on its own, nobody likes working for free, but to get back to my last post I think the point I was making essentially boiled down to "there's no reason the Flowers wouldn't be able to afford - or simply take/replicate - that many ski masks if they wanted them". -
What maintenance costs? by
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Are you expecting them to pay for the people doing the work (that's Building Maintenance)? For the materials (such as Generic Surface and concrit, easily obtainable in badfic)? For the tools (which Makes-Things presumably makes or accumulates - and again, replicators)? There's nowhere for the money to go.
Finance exists because everyone likes an archive, the Flowers included. They may not have much of a budget, but they'll be compost before they stop trying to hide things in it. ;)
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Replicators, you say? by
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I'm intrigued by these 'replicators' that you mentioned, and I believe earlier you also mentioned 'agent salaries' - now I must admit, I'm not entirely familiar with the concept of a salary, but after having it explained to me I can't help but wonder if these two things could be combined in some way...
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Oh, not again. by
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Okay, I guess I need to talk to the Nightshade - or maybe Hornbeam? Or, er...
No, I'm stumped. Who does have the responsibility for keeping the network separated from this 'PPC Board' these days?
me i thought it would be amusing
... and now creepy messages are appearing as I type. Okay, I'm... I'm going back to painting walls now.
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Well, given that it's sort of a security issue... maybe the Tiger Lily?
Wait, am I gonna get in trouble for this?
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Don't Personnel run archives? by
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I suppose we could go about assuming the Flowers just like money for the sake of having it in their lairs, a la Smaug the Magnificent, but somehow that doesn't quite fit. ;)
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(And yeah, I might have been habitually thinking in terms of by
on 2013-10-10 12:17:00 UTC
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a World One business that DOES need money...)
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A friend of mine does. by
on 2013-10-08 07:46:00 UTC
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She talks about them a lot, so I sort of know what you're talking about. I'm actually sort of in the process of getting her into the PPC. I might just have to listen to them now, though.
-Aila -
I do! by
on 2013-10-08 06:39:00 UTC
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It's one of my favorite things to listen to out there.
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HOUSE OF HADES by
on 2013-10-09 00:41:00 UTC
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So for you Percy Jackson fans out there, the House of Hades came out...and I read it...
I won't say anything about the book, but I do think there will be a fanfic explosion. I foresee much bad slash and Sues...
If anyone cares, I am emotionally damaged. I thought the book was good, but Rick's writing style...and plot twists....
Rick's writing style was subtle, it left small cuts in my feels. And then BOOM! He dumps lemon and lime juice on my wounds and rolls my feels in salt like one giant margarita of emotional pain.
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I literally /squealed/ when I saw it. by
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So, I immedietelly jumped online to grab the ebook.
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I was in Barnes & Noble a day too early. by
on 2013-10-09 12:30:00 UTC
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You must be a dedicated reader, my friend.
I'm glad to hear that the writing hasn't deteriorated. It seems like quite a few series jump the shark after about book nine. Can't wait to feel some emotional agony and take it out on the subsequent badfic! :D
My day thus far has been... sleepy. Thanks for asking.
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I almost forgot that was out. by
on 2013-10-09 02:54:00 UTC
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I was planning on staying in tomorrow but I'm sure I can go out to the nearest bookstore.
From what little you've said it sounds quite good (besides the explosion of bad slash *shudders* and Sues).
My day was good thanks.
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Quick question by
on 2013-10-09 07:08:00 UTC
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Anyone know any bad Warhammer 40k fanfic? I can't seem to find any on the Circle or the Pit.
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Thankfully not (nm) by
on 2013-10-09 14:46:00 UTC
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Innawoods Inventory maker by
on 2013-10-09 08:02:00 UTC
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I'm an ancient fan of yours, and I've seen WAY more shit than Luxury (seriously I've been readind everything she appears in, and its pretty tame compared to stuff like say, Cuckold Pregnancy) And I'd like to share an inventory maker that's useful for making loadouts to illustrate what each agent brings on missions.
While the exotic stiff like the CAD and the portal maker is not there, the more realistic stuff like pistols, vests clothing and other stuff is there. It's like a paper doll thingy!
Here's a sample loadout:
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Well... (this seems to be the title of half of my posts) by
on 2013-10-09 19:24:00 UTC
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I assume our fan is talking about this particular gizmo. Correct?
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Ahh, but where does one create these loadouts? by
on 2013-10-09 17:08:00 UTC
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That is the question.
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Site by
on 2013-10-09 20:12:00 UTC
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These load-outs are created at www.innawoods.net
It's free, supported by donations, mostly from /k/ommandos and the more survivalist minded 4channers.
It was going to be a turn-based game similar to the first Fallouts, but the creator got sick and disappeared. His Partner runs the place now. -
Re: Site by
on 2013-10-10 00:37:00 UTC
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So, unless I'm screwing something up, the only appearance you get is 'white male'? Darn...
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Re: Site by
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Yeah, it was going to have more stuff in it but the creator kinda up and disappeared and the partner of his is a Channer. Go figure.
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That. Is. So. COOL. by
on 2013-10-09 14:50:00 UTC
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Especially the guitar. I really like that it's there. The only things missing are some of the more...unique weapons, but that would vary from agent to agent anyway.
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Re: That. Is. So. COOL. by
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I'm working on loadouts for the characters of FE7, just with modern roles (and weapons suited to their original roles and Personalities)
[URL=http://imgur.com/a/zTkHv]Here[/URL] - Drat. by on 2013-10-09 20:40:00 UTC Link to this
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No curse in any tongue can capture my rage. by
on 2013-10-09 10:35:00 UTC
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http://www.quotev.com/story/3141325/The-fire-blossom-A-Legolas-love-story/5/
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Can it...can it... by
on 2013-10-12 06:03:00 UTC
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...can it even be called a story? *prods "story" with little finger and shudders* It's a badfic alright. Ugh, the foulness of it is getting to me.
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So, I just read a little further. by
on 2013-10-09 15:30:00 UTC
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Big mistake.
Gondolin? She's going to 'reunite' Gondolin? Without, apparently, consulting Glorfindel? This is--this--okay, now I agree completely with your subject line. If, when you do this mission, you want any volunteer agents to help, or possibly burn down the 'reunited' Gondolin if it turns out to be a Geographical Aberration, contact me.
Oh, and she had better claim to be related to the right people. Because, technically? Elrond's children are, currently, the last of the line of Gondolin's rulers. Y'know, because Earendil was Elrond's father, and the son of Tuor and Idril, who was the daughter of Turgon, King of Gondolin. And since she's stated very clearly that her parents were only friends of Arwen's parents, well, she's out of luck there. If anyone's going to 'reunite' Gondolin, though for what purpose I have no idea, it should be someone of Elrond's or Elros' lines. Not this Arva girl.
Grrrrr.
I think I'll go play with hobbition the mini-Balrog for a bit. Or possibly with some tribbles. Hopefully that will calm me down.
(Gondolin?!)
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on 2013-10-09 21:26:00 UTC
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I will check in with DOGA for the sequel. And after this, there will be quite a few mini-balrogs.
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Wonderful. by
on 2013-10-09 21:50:00 UTC
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Agent T'Zar will be on-duty, and happy--er, willing--to help.
(she's a Vulcan, what can I do, she won't admit to happiness)
If she has a partner, the partner may well also be available. I'm still trying to figure out the timelines for that, though. But T'Zar is definitely available.
Ooh, minis!
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Ohgoodheavens. by
on 2013-10-09 14:48:00 UTC
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"We have never seen the face of Lady Arva for a long time."
Brilliant! So she'll be either covering her face or leaving shortly, then?
Also, you can go ahead and claim this story now--just write 'pending Permission' next to...your name, I think, it's been long enough since I got my Permission that I don't quite remember...hold on, I'll check that.
Yeah, you put 'pending Permission' next to your name. ( This page, second sentence). It's a fairly common thing to do, from what I've seen, so go ahead. (Just remember to take out the 'pending Permission' part once you actually have Permission...)
Also: Arva? Is that meant to sound vaguely like Arda to me?
-Arwen's mother didn't bloody well die, she sailed to Valinor because she couldn't bear staying in M-e.
-'Yeah'? 'Yeah'? Mah pitom 'yeah'! Vechi teyma 'yeah'! This is the Third Age of Middle-earth, not the twenty-first century of Earth! There is no 'yeah'! It doesn't exist, especially not among Elves!*
-well, at least she can spell 'minutes'! Unless you like minuets, in which case...you're out of luck. Sorry.
And that's all I can bear to read. I look forward to the eventual mission...
~DF
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Hey, at least this one can spell "Gimli." by
on 2013-10-09 12:43:00 UTC
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Thank the Lord for small mercies.
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*glares* by
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Are you preparing for a showdown with Gimli? by
on 2013-10-09 19:19:00 UTC
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Hold on, I'll prepare the spaghetti western music! You'll probably both need to use melee weapons, though, because I don't know if Gimli knows how to use anything that shoots from a distance, and you using projectiles while he uses an axe would be very unfair. Then again, he is very experienced with an axe, and you might not have experience with axe-based combat.
Maybe you should both fight with a weapon neither of you would know how to use. Like a bat'leth. That way, nobody has an advantage, and everyone who watches gets to watch a Dwarf fighting with Klingon weaponry, which is just ridiculous enough to be awesome.
Yes. This will work. I'll head off to OFUM and see if Gimli's awake yet, and then prepare a gigantic bowl of popcorn for everybody who wants to watch this happen. I know I do.
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves here... by
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...but I call the urumi.
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/*pops out of groundhog burrow*/ by
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I haven't been able to get online recently, but I'm still alive and interested in the PPC. I'll be up and posting again, possibly later today, and may even consider applying for permission. But I'm not dead.
So, how's *your* day going?
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Decent day. More writing! :D (nm) by
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Where did that hole come from? *fills in* by
on 2013-10-09 21:30:00 UTC
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So, yeah, my day has been good. Brilliant badfic abound and all. And looking forward to reading some PPC stories coming out of you!
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Potential Badifc Report (Partially NSFW) by
on 2013-10-09 18:49:00 UTC
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These were recommended for PPCing, and written, by the guy who asked me to report My Little Dashie.
Fic A: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7788288/
Fic B: http://explicit.ponyfictionarchive.net/browse.php?type=authors&uid=995
Fic C: http://ponyfictionarchive.net/browse.php?type=authors&uid=995
Fic C isn't that bad. Basically, it involves Princess Celestia ruminating about her actions during the battle against the Changelings (I'm only up to the Cider Squeezer 6000 episode, so my knowledge of those events is secondhand). Yes, the grammar could be better. Yes, it has a standoff scene with some weird double entendres. But I like the idea, and I don't think it's PPCable, mostly because it's very short and Celestia is surprisingly in character (or more accurately, we see another side to her that it seems reasonable for her to have).
Fic B... is a rapefic. It's tagged with "everything imaginable" which I guess would be better than NOT being tagged, but... there's an OC who sounds exactly like Kam (the author) if Kam were to spontaneously lose 50 IQ points, Rarity and Prince Blueblood have their characters partially inverted, and the actual "plot" involves Rarity being gang-raped... and enjoying it... while Sweetie Belle is herself raped... and also enjoys it. Seriously, it's just... Kam told me he wrote it to being traffic to his account thinking people would read it as porn, but how anyone would find this arousing I don't know.
Fic A starts out reasonably well, but continually decreases in quality as it goes on. It creates an extracanonical race of ancient ponies called "Builders," who may or may not be Suvian enough to merit extermination (they were set up as superior to all the other ponies, but actually had to deal with some of the consequences of their hubris); the villain is... hammy; the Mane 6 become flat and one-dimensional (although this is actually justified somewhat by the Elements of Harmony apparently sucking away their personalities); overall the story piles on new plot points without resolving the old ones, but in spite of all of this it raises some interesting points that I'd like to see expanded on.
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If it's got NSFW content, it's NSFW, period.
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Obviously by
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Fic B is the NSFW one. It seemed inaccurate to not elaborate on that fact, especially since it amounts to the same thing.
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Allow me to sniff...yes, smells like trollfics. by
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Well, the truly unmentionable one probably is, as for the other non-appreciable one, I can't tell.
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Re: Allow me to sniff...yes, smells like trollfics. by
on 2013-10-10 00:15:00 UTC
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I just asked him about it: he says Royal Bloodbath not entirely a trollfic, but not entirely "serious erotica" either.
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Alternate History Recommendations by
on 2013-10-09 21:46:00 UTC
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Now I was wonder if we can post stuff about goodfics or is the board mainly to report badfics that might be PPC material?
Now, one reason why Alternate History is a relatively obscure genre is that the few major writers tend to have bad stories. Such as SM Stirling's Draka series, or the "Axis of Time" Trilogy. Never heard of those? Consider yourself lucky.
If you want to read better Alternate History to see what I'm talking about, here are several published ones you might like.
First, The Fireflies of Port Stanley.
From the AH.com wiki: "An administrative error by a British Ministry of Defence employee causes the delivery of 3 decommissioned Sherman Firefly tanks and some tank ammunition to the capital of the Falkland Islands in 1955. While members of the local administration are puzzled by the delivery, they keep the three tanks in basic working condition. Fast forward to 1982 and the invasion of the islands by the then Argentine junta… The locals have little time remaining and have to organize a basic defence of the capital until help arrives from the UK. And that's when the well-preserved Fireflies, until then only a local curiosity, come into play… "
http://www.amazon.com/Fireflies-Port-Stanley-Marc-Jones-ebook/dp/B00COBGLLA
The second, and still in progress is a story called "The Whale has Wings."
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/266885
If anyone wants to endure 670+ pages of thread derailments and long debates over minutiae to read the original version, see here:
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Ooh, cool! by
on 2013-10-14 05:08:00 UTC
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I will have to pick that one up once I have my tablet back, it looks awesome.
The Years of Rice and Salt is the latest alt-hist that I've read. It's much bigger scale than Fireflies, but the author is incredible. -
We like stories! by
on 2013-10-10 04:06:00 UTC
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Please, feel free to share whatever you think could spark curiosity. The good, the bad, and the beige! I can't guarantee everything will get a huge response, but I'm sure you'll find a few folks interested about just about everything.
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Valar damn the Circle by
on 2013-10-10 11:05:00 UTC
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http://www.quotev.com/story/3790812/Angelic-Legolas-love-story/
I really have lost hope. Another story to add to my future mission list. -
Anyone have a few tons of bleeprin handy? by
on 2013-10-11 06:38:00 UTC
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http://www.quotev.com/story/3689709/Everlasting-Hope/
The Sue in question is the daughter of Manwe and Varda.
I give up. Another mission to add to the list.
*walks away fuming*
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Hmm... by
on 2013-10-12 06:45:00 UTC
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From what I can tell, I assume you, like me, are a Circle-Diver. (Are you?) I have actually seen this fic before, while doing my weekly rounds in the Circle, but there were so many badfic that I just turned a blind eye to some.
This one is particularly painful. *chugs down Bleepka* Ugh, daughter of Varda? Then I suppose we can call Saruman "Son of Aulë" and Radagast "Son of Yavanna". (No. No, we can't) Carita (I simply cannot imagine why Varda would name "her daughter" Carita) has already mentioned that she is a Maia that was created by Varda, not her child, and yet she has the arrogance to claim she is "the daughter of Varda". And Elvin? It's Elvish, or Sindarin, or Quenya, not some mangled word derived from Elvis Presley's first name.
And yes, as Desdendelle mentioned before, I have already reported "Angelic". But I suppose it's my fault I didn't add it to the Unclaimed Badfic list...:/
Oh, and here's the Bleeprin you asked for. I put in an extra ton or two, for you to consume when you visit the Circle.
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Many thanks. by
on 2013-10-12 12:43:00 UTC
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Yeah, I am a Circle-Driver, there is so much more badfic on it than the Pit. Valar bless you for the bleeprin.
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Augh. by
on 2013-10-11 11:21:00 UTC
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First of all, Carita. Really, Suethor, really? Second, speshul eyes. Third, it's Elven not Elvin. Fourth, Hobbits not hobbits. Fifth, since when is Rivendell a city? It isn't called the Last Homely Home for nothing... Also, apparently Elrond can see the future. Wut.
Also, of course, daughter of Varda. Just... augh.
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Also... by
on 2013-10-10 16:59:00 UTC
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Autumn_68 already reported this particular 'fic a while back. And, yes, it's really bad.
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Ugh. by
on 2013-10-10 11:36:00 UTC
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I am not in the Lord of the Rings fandom, but... Is every LOTR fic in the Circle a Legomance with "Legolas love story" in the title?... Then again, this IS the Circle of Lemmings.
On a related note, could you report bedfic in one of the already oper badfic threads next time? I'm not angry with you or anything, it's just that using a single badfic thread keeps the board neater and prevents threads with active discussion in them fall off the first page too fast. -
Fair enough. by
on 2013-10-10 21:51:00 UTC
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yeah I can do that. New here and all. Learning the ropes.
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Yeah, I know. Don't worry. by
on 2013-10-11 10:39:00 UTC
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Everyone here has been a wide-eyed newbye at first.
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Okay, here I go, asking for permission... by
on 2013-10-10 11:31:00 UTC
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Yeah, I'm asking for permission. Here are my madmen I mean agents;
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Name: Johnny Archer
Gender: Male
Old Job: Wanderer
Birthdate: July 21, 2270
Age: 21
Race: Human
Original Continuum: Fallout
Home: Vault 53, Mojave Wasteland, Earth
Strong Skills: Guns, Energy Weapons, Melee, Lockpicking, Science, Survival, Repair, Sneak
Best Statistics: Perception, Endurance, Intelligence, Agility
Traits: Fast Shot, Good Natured
Perks: Friend of the Night, Swift Learner, Hunter, Run 'n Gun
Personality: He is good natured, with the interests of people he likes at heart but get on his bad side and he is cold and calculating, devising how many ways he can harm or kill you, especially if you've harmed his friends. He tries to be funny, but his attempts normally fail and he is a tad clumsy.
Apperance: He is skinny, has beige skin, brown, unkempt hair and a roughly cut goatee. He is average height.
Gear: He wears an old navy blue polo shirt and a brown tie with grey diagonal stripes under a buttoned up, tattered brown blazer with vertical blue-grey stripes with many inside pockets filled with things under an old, tattered, grey overcoat with even more pockets filled with more things. He wears olive cargo pants riddled with holes and old hiking boots. He also has a (blue) Pip-Boy 3000, a hunting shotgun, a .44 magnum revolver and a Laser Rifle. He normally stores his things in his coat, blazer, or in his makeshift rucksack.
Department: Department of Floaters, ESAS division
Partners: Norkas the Lonely and Eredan
RC: #99
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Name: Norkas the Lonely
Gender: Male
Old Job: Wanderer
Birthdate: ME 10 years before construction of the White-Gold Tower begins, 15th of Mid-Year
Age: Unknown, supposedly into the thousands
Race: Argonian
Original Continuum: The Elder Scrolls
Home: Helstrom, Argonia, Tamriel, Nirn
Strong Skills: Destruction Magic, Restoration Magic, Blade, Lockpicking, Sneak, Agility, Acrobatics
Major Attributes: Strength, Intelligence, Speed, Agility, Willpower
Personality: Originally, he was much warmer, but now, he is so old, he has grown distant from many and has a haughty air about him. He can still laugh though.
Apperance: He has blue tinged scales, 2 horns and hair-feather-things that form a crest down his head. He is skinny. He is average height.
Gear: He wears a dark green cloak with a hood over travelling robes, grey pants, brown fur boots and a knapsack over his back. He has a sword called Flamedancer inhabited by a Flame Atronach and the blade is forged from an alloy made from ebony, dwemer metal and skyforge steel. He also has a steel dagger.
Department: Department of Floaters, ESAS division
Partners: Johnny Archer and Eredan
RC: #99
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Name: Eredan
Gender: Male
Old Job: Wanderer/Mercenary
Birthdate: SA circa. 1000 January 23rd
Age: Unknown, in the thousands
Race: Human, quarter Elvish (Noldor)
Original Continuum: Lord of the Rings
Home: An un-named hamlet in a valley between the Grey Mountains and the Misty Mountains
Strong Skills: Swordsmanship, Archery, Surivival, Agility
Personality: He is insular and humourless. He only speaks when necessary and always takes things seriously. He is quick to anger. He is uneducated.
Apperance: He has long, brown, very messy and unkempt hair and a matching beard. He is skinny and stinks. He is slightly taller than normal.
Gear: He wears an elvish cloak over a brown tunic, ripped breaches, old fur boots and a makeshift knapsack over his back. He has a Numenorean sword on his belt and carries an unstrung bow with the string wrapped around the shaft. He uses it as a walking stick when not fighting. He has orcish arrows sticking out of his knapsack.
Department: Department of Floaters, ESAS division
Partners: Johnny Archer and Norkas the Lonely
RC: #99
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Yeah, I thought about it a bit. And some of my writing;
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9711913/1/War-of-the-Worlds
And last of all, first mission;
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I was too hasty. by
on 2013-10-16 06:23:00 UTC
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I jumped the gun, asking for permission to write PPC stories so soon. My characters were also badly thought out.
Forget I asked.
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Treebeard has a message for you: by
on 2013-10-17 16:29:00 UTC
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He would have said more, but he ran out of room... by which I mean, the internet isn't big enough for how much he wanted to say. He's like that.
On a more serious note, please don't give up. Permission isn't designed to be an impenetrable barrier to anyone ever writing PPC stories - it's meant to be a ground-level filter. That's one reason I left my hat firmly off while making comments: I'm very picky about Middle-earth stuff, more so than is necessarily reasonable in PG situations. As I think I said earlier, you've been getting very involved in the Board as a community, which is a good thing! Quite a few people show up, post three threads in the space of a day, reply to nothing, and then ask for Permission. You've been replying to comments, on both your own threads and other people's, which is a brilliant way to go about things, so well done!
As to your characters and writing... well, I'd offer to give advice about how to make Eredan (did you decide on a translation of that, by the way? I think 'Mountains-man' works pretty well) realistic for Arda, but I think I already did that. ;) I can also work up a review of your 'War of the Worlds' story if you like, since I know both canons to some extent. Just ask.
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Thanks hS by
on 2013-10-17 22:01:00 UTC
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Although I do need to rewrite War of the Worlds to improve it a tad.
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Aww, don't worry... by
on 2013-10-17 10:40:00 UTC
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Most of us intended to/have at first, when we were newbies. It's okay to make a mistake, like what Sergio said. I did intend to do what you did, at first, and I even went so far as to write missions of my own, without Permission or claiming them. (I didn't publish 'em, don't worry.)
But that was before I found the 'Permission' and 'Unclaimed Badfic' and 'Mission Writing Guide' wiki pages, so I looked back on my writings, and deleted them because I thought they were crappy. So don't feel so bad, at least you haven't went so far as to writing undeveloped stories like mine.
~Autumn -
It's cool. by
on 2013-10-16 10:36:00 UTC
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It was a bit of a mistake, yes, but everyone does mistakes from time to time. Don't feel bad about it.
Just enjoy the community, and start thinking about how to improve your agents, or maybe come up with new ones from scratch if you hit a wall.
The latter possibility is kinda difficult to become absolutely necessary, though - I managed to turn an hopeless Stu of mine into an interesting and fleshed out Agent. Besides, hitting walls hurts. Just remember, come up with a characterization, a backstory, and just some "stat" details (what he's good at, what he isn't good at). Then let them grow on their own, write them as it "feels" right to do. They might become a bit different from what you thought at the beginning, but they will be more "alive".
... Confused? Don't worry, I just managed to confuse myself too. -
Well... by
on 2013-10-12 07:00:00 UTC
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I don't really like the idea of rushing to get Permission just five days after you joined...but I'm not a Permission Giver (not to mention the fact that I'm rather new, though I joined two months ago [I left for about one-and-a-half months, so...]), so I guess you'll have to ask the still-active Permission Givers for their opinion. Good luck!
~Autumn -
Thanks! (nm) (nm) by
on 2013-10-12 12:40:00 UTC
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Agent Bios Mk. II by
on 2013-10-11 09:32:00 UTC
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Okay, I read the concrit for my bios and have thus bettered my agents-to-be. Hopefully the way they are now is much more acceptable.
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Name: Johnny Archer
Gender: Male
Old Job: Mercenary
Birthdate: July 21, 2270
Age: 21
Race: Human
Original Continuum: Fallout
Home: Vault 53, Mojave Wasteland, Earth
Strong Skills: Guns, Energy Weapons, Melee, Lockpicking, Science, Survival, Repair, Sneak
Best Statistics: Perception, Endurance, Intelligence, Agility
Traits: Fast Shot, Good Natured
Perks: Friend of the Night, Swift Learner, Hunter, Run 'n Gun
Personality: He is good natured, with the interests of people he likes at heart but get on his bad side and he is cold and calculating, devising how many ways he can harm or kill you, especially if you've harmed his friends. He tries to be funny, but his attempts normally fail and he is a tad clumsy.
Family: His only known relatives are his mum, dad and older sister. All his family are devoted to keep the malfunctioning equipment of Vault 53 and, as a result, are sort of mad. He cared for them while they obsessively fixed the equipment and, when the Vault opened, he regretfully left them in the care of the Vault's other denizens. He hasn't seen them since.
Appearance: He is skinny, has beige skin, brown, unkempt hair and a roughly cut goatee. He is average height.
Gear: He wears a suit and tie, cargo pants and hiking boots, a grey trench-coat with many pockets and goggles. He has a laser rifle, a hunting shotgun and a .44 magnum revolver as his weapons.
Department: Department of Floaters, ESAS division
Partners: Norkas the Lonely and Eredan
RC: #99
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Name: Norkas the Lonely
Gender: Male
Old Job: Adventurer
Birthdate: 3E 407 15th of Mid-Year
Age: Unknown (20?)
Race: Argonian
Original Continuum: The Elder Scrolls
Home: Helstrom, Argonia, Tamriel, Nirn
Strong Skills: Destruction Magic, Restoration Magic, Blade, Sneak, Athletics, Acrobatics
Major Attributes: Strength, Intelligence, Speed, Agility, Willpower
Personality: He is rather distant and has a haughty air about him. He is snarky, cynical and sarcastic, but he is prone to attempts of humor and finds many things amusing. He is highly intelligent and doesn't attempt to hide this fact. He, nonetheless, has a strong moral compass and naturally gravitates towards moral choices.
Family: His known relatives are his mother, uncle and his older brother. His brother is a Dark Brotherhood assassin and his morals conflict with Norkas'. His father died without Norkas having any knowledge of him, so his uncle filled in the position for him when he was young. He was a traveller when he was younger and told Norkas many stories of the outside world, which sparked his wanderlust. His mother is kind, but hasn't gotten over her husband's death. Norkas goes back to Helstrom regularly to check on them and to split his money with them.
Appearance: He has blue tinged scales, 2 horns and hair-feather-things that form a crest down his head. He is skinny. He is average height.
Gear: He wears a dark green hooded cloak, Winterhold Adept robes and fur boots. He has a steel sword and dagger as his weapons.
Department: Department of Floaters, ESAS division
Partners: Johnny Archer and Eredan
RC: #99
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Name: Eredan
Gender: Male
Old Job: N/A
Birthdate: SA circa. 1000 January 23rd
Age: 63
Race: Human
Original Continuum: Lord of the Rings
Home: An unnamed hamlet in a valley in the shadow of Mt. Gundabad
Strong Skills: Survival, Agility, Sneaking, Creativity,
Personality: He is insular and humorless. He only speaks when necessary and always takes things seriously. He is quick to anger. He is uneducated, but more than makes up for this in his creativity and ability to plan ahead. He is also quite lucky. He has an ambiguous moral compass.
Family: His known family includes only his mother and father. They are nice, albeit a little old and are often in their own world. They work their farm. Eredan hasn't seen them in a long time.
Appearance: He has long, brown, very messy and unkempt hair and a matching beard. He is skinny and stinks. He is slightly taller than normal.
Gear: He wears a grey-green hooded cloak, a tunic, pants and leather boots. He is armed only with an old long dagger (which he stole off an orc that nearly killed him) which he sort of knows how to use and his ability to think on his feet.
Department: Department of Floaters, ESAS division
Partners: Johnny Archer and Norkas the Lonely
RC: #99
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On Eredan. by
on 2013-10-11 10:50:00 UTC
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He's looking a lot more suited to where he's from. I note he still has brown hair (but then, so does Grima the Wormtongue - a little genetic variation is allowed). As to the rest of him...
Okay, so he's not a mercenary - but now he doesn't have a job at all? He must have done something in sixty-three years. You've taken away his bow and reduced his fighting skills, so he couldn't really pass as a hunter any more... the go-to occupation for western Rhovanion would be 'woodsman', but you've placed him in the shadow of Gundabad. Hrm...
Well, let's talk about Gundabad, and the whole historical setting.
SA 1000 is a volatile period in the history of Middle-earth. For the past 250 years, the Numenoreans have been exploring the western and southern coastlines, mostly under the command of their current king Tar-Aldarion (reigned 883-1075). Over in the east, Sauron has been slowly building his forces for the past five hundred years; around 1000, he finally has enough confidence to begin building the Barad-dur.
On the other hand, the elven nation of Eregion is a thriving civilisation, and between it and Gil-Galad's Lindon, everything west of the Misty Mountains is inhabited by the elves. Greenwood the Great is also elven, and is several thousand years away from becoming 'Mirkwood'. Even Lothlorien - then known as Laurelindórenan - already exists, under a Sindarin king (probably Amdír Malgalad).
The Dwarves, too, are a strong presence. Khazad-Dum is a trading partner of both Eregion and Lorien, and its population is still swelled from the influx after Beleriand fell. Gundabad we don't know about - it simply didn't get mentioned enough - but we do know it was one of the most ancient Dwarven fastnesses (and, in fact, the awakening-place of Durin the Deathless). Given the strength of the 'Good' presence in the West, and the fact that the Dwarves are, for once, friendly with the elves, it seems fairly likely that Gundabad is inhabited by Dwarves. The Grey Mountains, too, are said to have been 'long mined by the Dwarves' - they weren't driven out until the Third Age.
But then there's the north. This cold, barren land, the remnants of Morgoth's two bastions of Angband and Utumno, is known to be inhabited by the hardy, wandering Forodwaith, who at least are men. But it is also likely home to a whole bunch of nasty creatures: the cold-drakes who later conquered the Grey Mountains would have lived here, and it's entirely possible that the whole place was teeming with Orc warrens and Wargs. The land that would become Angmar is also very nearby.
So what, ultimately, does this mean for Eredan? It means a life in comparative safety, punctuated by short periods of terror when Something came over the mountains. It means the local friendly people are the Dwarves, who are notably secretive, and are probably only glimpsed occasionally (bear in mind that Gundabad is by way of being a holy site - they wouldn't be inviting in visitors, you know?). It means that there are constant, disturbing rumours from the south of the Men of Westernesse, who come in their great ships, cutting down the ancient forest, and while they aren't exactly out to get the inhabitants, they're not exactly here to make friends, either. It means the elves are a constant presence - but already slightly unearthly. Both the humans - who, 1500 years ago, stopped their march west and settled in the Vale of Anduin - and the elves - Silvan folk who halted in the same place even longer ago, led by the Sindarin King Oropher (who claims to have escaped from that mythical western land before it sank) - are 'backwards', never having lived alongside the Noldor or the Edain.
On the plus side, both Oropher and the Dwarves would have made some effort to teach the humans basic sanitation. I think you're pushing things with an age of 63, and you're definitely into unreasonable with his parents hitting their 80s (bear in mind, these people aren't Edain - they don't have the extended lifespan of the Numenoreans), but take ten years off each of them and you're into reasonable territory.
-His parents have a farm. That's entirely reasonable, and probably what Eredan did for a 'living' when he still lived with them. What he does now, I'm not sure - his skills suggest thief or hunter, but he doesn't have the fighting ability of a hunter, and there's no-one around to steal from.
Hrm... would you mind a suggestion? Keeping his backstory the same, have him hear stories of the Numenoreans (by way of the Dwarves, or maybe the woodland elves - second- or third-hand, at any rate). Have him hear about their encampments and their logging down in the south, and have him decide he's going to go and see them - given his personality, it would be because he wanted something (maybe even one of those legendary swords?).
So he goes south, probably in his late twenties. He hikes down Anduin, passing by such places as the High Pass (and a party of Noldor from Eregion, tall and actually quite scary, with stars in their gaze...), and Lorien/Khazad-Dum, until finally he enters the ancient woodlands of the south (of which Fangorn is just the northern reach - but the Ents are a power in the world, too...). Finally, passing over open fields through what would later be the Gap of Rohan, he can reach the river Greyflood, and the Numenorean city at Tharbad, or maybe the haven at Lond Daer...
... only to find that the Men of the West aren't even as nice as rumour would have it. They are, basically, stuck-up, convinced of their own superiority, prone to treating the locals as little more than slaves. And the worst part is, they're right about how much better they are... about all Eredan can do is get a job as a lumberjack (because the Numenoreans, they love their trees).
So now you have an angry, serious man with a knack for going unseen, in the employ of the most powerful nation in the world. And he's cutting down the ancient forests (which means he might well run into Ents), and he still wants one of those swords - and there's not really enough food in the work camps, and 'them in the city' have so much, they wouldn't miss a little...
And now you have someone with a fully-fledged backstory, chock full of potential conflict once he joins the PPC. How will he feel about the rich? What will he do when he sees a sword he likes? Will he be prone to taking offense when others talk down to him?
I dunno. But I think he'd be interesting to read about.
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Wow. by
on 2013-10-12 06:52:00 UTC
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hS, like what Ailavyn said before (at the discussion on Haleth), you're amazing.
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I agree. by
on 2013-10-12 12:38:00 UTC
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I know my stuff about LoTR, but hS is really good. I respect people like that.
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Whilst we're on the topic... by
on 2013-10-10 18:00:00 UTC
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...I'm still waiting for my permission piece to come back from it's final check through (or hopefully final check through) but in the meantime I was wondering if I could post my agent profile up on the board and get people to comment on it before putting it up when I do the Permission Request.
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Eeek. by
on 2013-10-10 18:38:00 UTC
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About that: I can't get on it right now, because I have homework to do in order to prepare for a graded in-class essay right now, but I'll do my best to look it over properly later tonight or tomorrow. If you want me to check over your agent profile as well while I'm at it, feel free to send it over...and sorry for taking so long to get back to you!
~DF, who has just realized that she is the final check through. -
Don't Worry (nm) by
on 2013-10-10 19:53:00 UTC
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*Politely kicks Dawnfire up the backside* by
on 2013-10-13 22:17:00 UTC
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I love your definition of today or tomorrow, can I use it when I've got to hand in coursework :p
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*kerblinkies* E-excuse me? by
on 2013-10-14 03:09:00 UTC
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I love your subject line, really, I do.
I'm not so sure your teachers would be very happy, so...I'm afraid I'd have to advise against it :) My apologies.
Also, wow, sorry! That was...well, I'm sorry. I'll get on that right now, I think...
(What happened is that my friend came in from out of town and I spent a day with her and my other friend...and I'm not entirely sure what happened the day before? Hm. Well. I need to do some writing/editing anyway--haven't done much in far too long--so I'll get on that...)
Nice reminder message, though :D Just, next time, maybe reply to my post so I get an email about it and don't only notice it because I decided to see what was new on the Board and caught a mini-me in the subject line? *picks up Dawnfire the mini-Boarder and scuttles away*
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Well it worked... by
on 2013-10-14 12:41:00 UTC
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Sorry about the mini-Boarder, but I'm sure it'll be OK. I didn't realize missing a capital letter out would create one, oh well.
Err thanks, it was the best I could come up with.
I'll do that next time.
Storme Hawk
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Maybe your mini-Boarder can meet mine. by
on 2013-10-14 05:31:00 UTC
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I don't have any mini-mes yet, but I do still have custody of weinterwood and Lily Wintewood, and they've been needing some outside company. The mini-Agents aren't hostile or anything, but aside from Christiane and, oddly enough, Xerica, none of them really interact much with the mini-Winterwoods, and I don't want my mini-Boarders feeling left out.
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Awww. by
on 2013-10-16 03:25:00 UTC
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Yeah, sure, they can throw a party! Here, I'll introduce them.
Dawnfire, this is weinterwood, and this is Lily Wintewood. Oh, and I think that's Christiane off in the distance. Would you like to say hello?
...looks like a yes. I'll head out, then--call me if they destroy anything :)
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Wait wait wait wait wait. by
on 2013-10-10 13:04:00 UTC
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Okay, taking off my Permission Giver hat for a minute...
Eredan. First off, that name - it looks like you've copied it from Elladan. It's definitely Sindarin in form, at any rate. The first syllable could be ered- (mountains) or eredh- (seed), or concievably ereg- (holly). The second... well, -dan is a preposition (against), or I guess it could be contracted from -dant (a fall). Very possibly it could be from -adan (man), but that would require the first syllable to be ered. Ered-adan, or Eredan, would be 'Man of the mountains', which I guess works.
Secondly, his home. 'A valley between the Grey and Misty Mountains' could mean one of two things: either he is from the region around Angmar and the Orc stronghold of Gundabad, or he is from the vale of Anduin. The latter would make sense, but would be a very strange way of putting it.
Thirdly, his heritage. Um... no. There are precisely three successful human-elf marriages in history: Beren and Luthien, Tuor and Idril, Aragorn and Arwen. All three are strongly implied to be deliberate acts of divinity, or at least Fate. There is one known failed marriage of this kind - Aegnor and Andreth, who never got together. There's also the rumoured case of Imrazôr and Mithrellas, the founders of Dol Amroth.
Elves and humans do not marry except in very rare circumstances. You can't just add a new one without some very strong justification. And even if you did...
His age. Yes, the Eldar live for thousands of years. Yes, the children of elf-human marriages may do the same. But since the founding of Numenor, and by direct decree of the Valar, every half-elf has to make a choice: to be accounted among the Eldar, with all that implies, or to accept the Gift of Men and become mortal. Elrond married an elf, so his children get to make the same choice. The children of a half-elf and a human - such as the children of Aragorn and Arwen - are mortal. An immortal human such as you describe simply doesn't fit into Middle-earth - unless his life is unnaturally lengthened by a Ring of Power. Are you claiming that Eredan has hold of one of the dwarven Rings (the only ones unaccounted for)? If so, surely that's kind of important to mention. If not, he's pretty darn dead.
His equipment. An elvish cloak - where did he get that? He's insular and from an isolated village, but has extremely rare fabric. Fabric, of course, doesn't last all that long - probably a bit longer than normal if the Eldar make it, but I'm positive it wouldn't survive six thousand years. And a Numenorean sword - again, where'd that come from? The Men of Westernesse didn't go into the north of Middle-earth.
And he uses his bow as a walking stick. Nice idea, but springy wood is not actually suited for supporting a man's body-weight, which is what a staff like that is meant for. He would break it in short order.
His appearance. Again, you claim he's immortal, but give him a beard. The Eldar - even by adoption - do not grow beards unless they are incredibly old, like Cirdan. No.
And his 'old job'. 'Wanderer' is not a job. You don't just 'wander', particularly if you live between two inhospitable mountain ranges and Mirkwood, not noted for its friendliness to foragers. 'Mercenary' is more plausible - except that there's no indication of any mercenaries in the history of Middle-earth. That probably comes out of the fact that the bad guys are usually ruled by genuine dark gods - saying 'I'll only fight the forces of the incarnation of darkness if you pay me' will not go down well.
And, one more point on his appearance: we actually know of some people who live in that general area. They were called the Northmen at the time, but eventually migrated south and named themselves after their great leader, Eorl. The Rohirrim, you may notice, are all fair-haired. There's a reason for that: the Northmen are closely related to the First House of the Edain, that of Hador the Goldenhaired. The people of that region, by and large, are blond - not brown-haired.
So: you may have put a lot of thought into him, but I believe it went into the wrong things. Your character is not suited for an origin in Middle-earth.
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on 2013-10-10 21:48:00 UTC
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Well, he is my first LoTR OC and I just rehashed some old ideas with him. But not to fear, I improved him based on your critique. Here it is;
Name: Eredan
Gender: Male
Old Job: Mercenary
Birthdate: SA circa. 1000 January 23rd
Age: 63
Race: Human
Original Continuum: Lord of the Rings
Home: An un-named hamlet in a valley in the shadow of Mt. Gundabad
Strong Skills: Swordsmanship, Archery, Surivival, Agility
Personality: He is insular and humourless. He only speaks when necessary and always takes things seriously. He is quick to anger. He is uneducated.
Apperance: He has long, brown, very messy and unkempt hair and a matching beard. He is skinny and stinks. He is slightly taller than normal.
Gear: He wears a grey/green cloak over a brown tunic, ripped breaches, old fur boots and a makeshift knapsack over his back. He has a Numenorean sword (which he purchaased fairly, no matter what others would say) on his belt and carries a yew longbow around with him. He has (stolen) orcish arrows sticking out of his knapsack. (He has no idea how to make his own)
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on 2013-10-11 01:29:00 UTC
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Okay, I'm a bit concerned here. I'll take my cue from hS and leave the PG hat off for now, but I can give you some concrit on your characters - and as an answer to your question about posting your characters specifically before a formal request... I'd prefer you didn't - at least, not over and over again. Once - this, for example - shouldn't be too bad. And remember, this is a writing organization, not an RP, so we're looking more at seeing them written than just sketched profiles.
My biggest beef with Eredan is that he still doesn't seem like an LotR character. He seems rather like a Fantasy or a D&D character who got plopped into that continuum. Mercenaries weren't really a big thing, from what I remember, except for the Southrons, perhaps. Why would a mercenary have a Numenorean sword? What do you mean by a Numenorean sword? The rest of his character I'll leave to hS, who's far better at LotR than I. Your others... h'm.
Norkas the Lonely... to put it bluntly, he looks a lot like a Stu. I can't think of any reason for an Argonian to be thousands of years old. Even the Heroes aren't supposed to live thousands of years, except for a handful of very excellent canon reasons. He should have a profession - 'Wanderer' is not a living. Adventurer would be a bit better, but just wandering around is not so viable. Combine all that with his weapons, which are honestly quite a bit high on the Speshul scale, and you've got a character I'd be very, very hesitant to pass off as a PPC agent.
I don't know Archer, but let me try and give you a couple general pointers. It's not always easy to make OCs from scratch, especially the first time, and I know my first OCs, especially game-based, were about the same.
First, their appearance and equipment are sidenotes. Think about your friends, your family - what makes them so important to you? Not their hair, not their jacket, not the necklace they inherited from their grandparents. It's their personality, their mannerisms, who they are. Their clothes and hair and height and the equipment of their various skills are part of who they are, but they're pieces of a puzzle, not the whole.
While reading a Skyrim fanfic, if you came across an Argonian whose introduction was a paragraph about his swords and clothing, and his coloration, followed by a few lines that explained that he was mysteriously ageless and a humourless fellow... I'm betting you wouldn't be very emotionally invested in the character. If you came across a character whose dialogue was interesting - blunt, dour, somewhat haughty, but witty enough to be able to joke and laugh - you'd be a bit more interested. And then, somewhere down the line, it's revealed that he lived through the White-Gold Concordat, and the bloodshed that followed... now he's got depth, now you're interested.
You see what I mean? What your character is wearing doesn't matter so much - what matters is why they wear their hair braided like that (because appearance matters to them), and why they have that ratty old jacket, even though they could clearly afford better (appearance matters to them, but the jacket was something given to them by a dear friend, now dead), and not that they have a really awesome sword, but what they do with that sword, and why, and who they are under the dwemer-alloy and the Destruction school, and the green-gray scales. -
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Hmm, I like the concept he seems like he would make a good generic mook in sauorn's army and it makes sense for him to be Human. From what I understand of the canon the "Kings of Man" were the ones corrupted by thier power rings thus leading them to become the ringwraiths, So a Human driven by greed...which is often the fatal flaw of Mercenary characters would be a natural fit.
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Wait... by
on 2013-10-10 11:54:00 UTC
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You've been here only for five days. While we are happy that you want to start sporking badfic too, we have some rules for that.
Since your permission request is, on a technical point of view, correct I assume you read the Permission article on the Wiki. Which is good, since a lot of people try asking Permission before even doing that.
However, you should read it again as something slipped... namely, the "one month" rule. The whole Permission thing is in place to make sure the aspiring PPC writer fully knows what the deal is about. (Also, we hope that they like to hang with us on the Board, instead of isolating themselves and popping out only to plug missions)
We don't know you well enough yet. You're partecipating in discussions, which is exactly what you need to - you just didn't do it for long enough.
I'm not going to talk much about your permission piece as I'm not a Permission Giver, but the bios feel wrong - we don't care about character statistics that much, we care about their characterization, and in the bios not only there isn't much about that, but that little also rubs me the wrong way. No idea why, though. -
The 'one month' rule... by
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... doesn't actually seem to be mentioned on the Permission page anymore.
The answer to the question 'When should I ask?' is currently 'Whenever you feel comfortable and confident asking' - it then goes on to say that you're unlikely to be successful if the Permission Givers don't recognise you, but notes that 'there is no one magical time period' for how long that's likely to take.
I'm sure it used to specify one month as a general rule, as I'm pretty sure I can remember waiting exactly one month before making my request, but it doesn't appear to be as specific any more.
I agree with you, this is probably too early for 99Hedgehog's Permission request, but with the page as it currently is, I don't think it's that clear. -
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on 2013-10-10 16:46:00 UTC
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I have to admit it, I haven't checked that page in a while. Dang it.
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We cut out the rule... by
on 2013-10-10 13:12:00 UTC
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... because a) people were assuming 'if I ask after one month I'll get it automatically!', and b) we had a few people show up who integrated really well really quickly, and making them wait a month was silly.
99Hedgehog, so far, you've made a good start on the 'interacting and integrating' thing. You are actually replying to other people's threads rather than just posting your own (a surprisingly common problem, I don't know why), so well done. My suggestion is that you take any comments from here as advice, and use this thread to post a second version of your profiles. It may end up just being an exercise in constructive criticism - or, since the Board moves slow enough for this thread to be around for another week at least, a PG may decide that you've actually integrated well enough by then to be a safe bet for Permission.
(PG hat still off, by the way: I haven't looked at your sample or your other profiles, and I'm not promising anything. Just making suggestions)
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Awesome. by
on 2013-10-10 21:55:00 UTC
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Thanks a lot, Huinesoron. I have updated my most 'unpolished' profile. Hope it's better.
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About your profiles by
on 2013-10-10 23:10:00 UTC
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I'm not a Permission Giver, so this isn't an 'official' opinion with regards to them, but one thing that struck me as odd about the agent profiles you've presented is that, in all three of them, you've spent more time describing their clothing/equipment than you have their personality.
Given that clothing and weapons aren't character traits and can all be lost, put down, changed, or just simply not come up in a scene, it seems unbalanced that they get more detail than the personalites involved.
Also, because I don't think I've said this yet, welcome to the Board. Have some Bleeprin, may it serve you well against the badfic. -
[[[UNPARSABLE SUBJECT LINE]]] by
on 2013-10-11 00:10:00 UTC
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Yeah, I found that there wasn't much to say about their personalities. These are my first OCs and I have failed for a long time to get these guys down on paper. They are quite rough, but with the PPC's help, I can fix that.
Hopefully.
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A great Book Series!!! by
on 2013-10-10 13:27:00 UTC
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This is an Original Fiction series, and is called The Tribe.
The first book is called The Interrogation of Ashala Wolf, and immediatelly sucked me in. it's set in a dystopian world where some people are bornwith abilities. The government, once again proving themselves to be the blood-sucking cowards they are, have quaintly dubbed them 'Illegals' and try to capture as many of them as they can.
It"s a greatread, and you can get the first chapter at www.thefirstwood.com
I haen't done the book justice describing it here, though. -_- just read it. -
Hmm, interesting... by
on 2013-10-12 07:02:00 UTC
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I'll read it when I'm taking a break from Discworld and Wheel of Time. :)
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I'll have to check it out some time. :) (nm) by
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I want to write a fanfiction on Lady Gaga. by
on 2013-10-10 18:08:00 UTC
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Specificially on her song, Burqa/Aura. I heard the song leaked on youtube, and I am rather impressed by her lyrics.
Before I start typing, let me give a rundown on the plot. It's about a guy who loves Lady Gaga somuch that he wants to marry her, and despite his family's disapproval, continues with his plan. But a religious leader he asked for advice convinces him to drop the idea, as he has no idea of who Lady Gaga really is, and what he loves is only her character onstage, not her real self.
Now, my questions.
1. How do songfics work? I read a few, but I can't make head nor tail. Are there any songfics you recommend, as reference?
2. Does this fall under Real-Person Fic? I have doubts it is so. Since she wants to be addressed as Lady Gaga whenever she's giving interviews and performances and whatnot. But then, she's just making herself a performance art when she's outside, and her true identity as Stefanie Germanotta will remain hidden from the public.
Second question is more important than the first, as I only want to write a songfic pf Lady gaga's Aura, not a stalkerfic of Stefanie Germanotta. In Malaysia, I have seen TV shows that employ a character called 'Lady Gaga' (more of a mockery of her based on her video clip in Just Dance), so as a citizen, I can almost assure you, there isn't any laws against writing Real-Person Fics. Except for politicians, even then there's never a case recorded.
Apologies beforehand if this post angers you.
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Looking for a Beta by
on 2013-10-10 19:33:00 UTC
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Does anyone know Red Dwarf? I've got a mission written up, and could do with a second opinion on it.
Not much canon knowledge is needed, as the entire fic takes place in the first episode of the first series, although my agents do refer to various things from later on. -
Well, since you have helped me... by
on 2013-10-11 00:24:00 UTC
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Yeah, I'll give it a look-over. You already have my e-mail, so that should be no problem.
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Thanks, e-mail sent (nm) by
on 2013-10-11 12:00:00 UTC
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I'm game. by
on 2013-10-10 20:51:00 UTC
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I don't have any experience with the canon, but I can still give you some feedback if you'd like. Do you have a Google Drive?
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Cool, by
on 2013-10-10 22:21:00 UTC
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Yup, I have a Google Drive. Drop me an e-mail at samurai_ireland@hotmail.com and I can send you a link.
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oooh Red Dwarf. by
on 2013-10-10 19:52:00 UTC
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I'll read through it. You should have my email address ;)
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Cool, e-mail sent (nm) by
on 2013-10-10 20:32:00 UTC
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